It Was a Goal | The Steve Dangle Podcast
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- On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 Steve's Zoo Stories
05:15 Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving World Junior players
25:00 You Can Bet That with Sports interaction
33:00 How does Steve shoot LFR?
45:30 Blake Coleman doesn't score and the Oilers knockoff the Flames
1:05:00 The complexity of players playing through injuries
1:23:30 The Blues survive against the Avs
1:32:30 The Hurricanes go up 3-2 against the Rangers
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Originally aired: May 27, 2022
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I always find it funny when Adam isn't on the show because its literally filmed and recorded in his house. Is he home but busy? Is he out and busy? Is he sleeping? lol.
Exactly, he apparently lost his voice so this time makes sense but what about the other times!?
@@Hockeyhobo89 My good man Adam fell ill a couple times and stayed in bed i think (not that i have his medical information)
@@Hockeyhobo89 The pox?
His mom's house*
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I heard another bit of history made from the Oilers series was Hyman being the first Oiler to score a goal in every game of a playoff series. The joy on his face since getting past LA and especially after game 5 has been great to see. Dude's the happiest guy on the planet right now.
Thanks again toronta Hyman Barrie Ceci avs thank you for Kadri
Well deserved, great guy!
@@AP-eq5es oh, Toronto doesn't miss Barrie or Ceci. They will both be exposed in games outside the safety of the Pacific. All the best to Kadri and Hyman, though.
I heard Rick Westhead's reporting immediately after a recap of the World Championship quarterfinals, and the juxtaposition was frankly eerie.
Most of the ex players seem to say that it was a good call, no goal. As an Oilers fan, I thought for sure it was a goal and was refreshingly pleased a call went the Oilers way for a change.
i think all ex players have said its was a bad call... except for bieksa lol
And you would all be wrong. That was 100% a good goal
@@dr.curious5136 Strange, I don't see it on the boxscore.
Rules been adjusted a million times by now, and as far as eye tests go through decades worth of inconsistency - I thought it was no goal. BUT I just don't understand the point of disallowing kicks at all. It's infinitely more difficult to beat a goalie that way so I don't see how it becomes more frequent in attempt or dangerous for goalies. Just count them all.
That hill incline at Toronto Zoo is dumb but great for exercise. Great podcast today guys!
Excellent show. Really amazed at the emotional transitions.
The CHL part was sickening, but i feel obligated not to ignore it as an adult around the age of those involved. The least i can do is listen and take this story to heart. Maybe i can prevent similar events from happening in the future, in the meantime my heart goes out to those who have been affected by these cowardly acts.
Adam skipped the show to watch Kenobi didn’t he? 😉
Because he's the chosen one
Damnit now i have to watch ep 1 before i finish the podcast
You underestimate his power!
To be fair, his throat sounded awful scratchy in the last couple episodes; hope he gets better
Loved the background info on the LFRs
Great broadcast boys; loved the topics you covered and the passion shown-whether your listeners agree with your points of view or not, you’re keeping important issues where they belong-in front of all of us.
The NHL’s call on the Coleman non-goal is going to cost them fans.
The NHL’s avoidance of sexual predatory behaviour punishment is neanderthal and stupid-there’s a point where lawyers protect criminal behaviour, and I believe we are there.
Matt Dumba missed out on the final part of the regular season because of broken rib and punctured lung in the game against Nashville.
Calgary was out played and our top guys were just invisible - but to lose it on a goal call that wasn't even challenged by the Oilers and was apparently challenged by the NHL itself... just... whatever. The CHL story is horrifying - and 8 guys perpetrated it - but i'm sure all the guys heard the story.
It was also obviously kicked in so a non-discussion.
As an Edmonton fan I didn't think the goal was going to get called back.... that being said, go watch McDavid's goal, and then watch Gaudreau just ignore Draisaitl... its an elimination game in OT for you, you need to try harder than that.
Oh dont worry either the Blues and their d core or Avs and Makar will make Mcdavid look like a child and send you guys home in 4 straight.
Yeah, that was an awful flyby by Johnny. In the end the best team won the series. Personally, I thought it was a good goal but it really wouldn't have mattered imo. The oilers were going to win the series regardless of the call.
As an Flames fan I think the Flames lost the series when they gave up the short handed goal. They really screwed it and didn’t show up against the Oilers. Congratulations to the Oilers and all the fans. Hope you guys win the cup, and if you do my hate immediately starts for you guys at the begging of next season.
Yeah that play by Gaudreau was brutal, even in real time before McDavid scored it was noticeable. When your Selke candidate center gets bumped from the top line because he's not handling McDavid at all, your Vezina nominated goal has an .852 save %, Tkachuk's a ghost and Hanifin was totally worthless with his panic turnovers you're screwed.
Backlund was far and away our best forward that whole series and Tanev was a game changer defensively when he came back, even with one arm. Feels like a shame to waste those guys efforts, and it makes the offseason another rough one because it's tough to take positives from a 33 year old 2nd/3rd line center and a 32 year old stay at home defenseman with some rugged miles on the clock.
Calgary didn't deserve to win, but refs were horrific in this one too. They screwed up 3 perfectly good goals in the series, called a million penalties in the first half of the series then let everything go in the last couple. The hockey was awful to watch, and it felt like watching 5 regular season games between two teams that have no history of any kind of rivalry. Nobody really did any hitting , refs shut the door straight away on any kind of scrums by making it 4 on 4 so much early on and that favoring Edmonton so heavily Calgary couldn't get involved in anything really.
You could go back a couple of years to the regular season to see some really great battle of Alberta's in the regular season, we got none of that. Instead we got 5 games of tuesday night middle of the regular season games. Probably with both teams playing their third goalies and one teams top line sitting in the press box watching the game, that's about how good the series was in pure hockey, or playoff hockey terms.
First time watching, and I really like the podcast funny, informative and i love Steve dangle videos. 🔥🔥
This is what you get when you let them get away with things time and time again, just because they happen to be good at hockey. I can't tell you what I've seen student athletes get away with in the US college system.
Why not? Surly not speaking out is part of the issue - not trying to antagonize you, serious question.
Steve`s going to love SlipKnot. One of the best bands live 🤘
Calgarys history can be summed up in 6 words. The puck was in the net
Yeah Mcd Dri Hy Kane Nuge Puli a bunch of defensemen did Smitty get one???
Hell yeah, the ads are easy to skip today
Makar, Fabbro and Point were the NCAA players on the 2018 WJC Gold team. The other 19 were all CHL.
Haha it's funny how you joked about the doom texts with your producer cause I was doing that with my friends for the first part of the season. Everybody pre-season was talking the Avs up but I was convinced we were gunna have a tough year. I saw how our off season went and knew we had guys missing the start of the season. I knew Kuemper was used to getting absolutely shelled in Arizona and would have to adjust. I really thought we wouldn't be 1 seed in the division. And then that middle of the season tear happened and I was so elated! The fact that Gabe played 51 games, Kuemper got hurt, Nate played 65 games and they still some how clawed back to the top is insane to me.
What you are fundamentally missing is the path of the puck relative to the skate. In Coleman's case, the puck is moving away from him and he comes in behind it and propels it forward, in these other instances the puck is travelling towards the skate and they move their feet causing a deflection.
That's a good title
Matt Dumba was the player who played with a punctured lung and broken ribs this year.
Im now in off-season mode so as much as I love you guys and the show, i hope Jim Rutherford steals from yall again. Thanks for developing McDermott for us :) Hes gonna do well here.
Dermott is a Defensive liability and Won't ever be anything more than a Bottom pair dman lol
Dubas is pretty good at robbing JR too, look at the Kapanen trade lol
Two now Blackhawks we're on that team in Raddysh and Katchouk. Both were drafted by Tampa but trading for two players possibly involved in this after the year they had is almost unbelievable. Hopefully neither was involved.
I can't wait for them to talk about the Avs comeback in game 6.
When are we getting an SPDN meetup at the zoo? I want a personalised tour with Steve
I have a condition that leaves me in constant pain all over my body and hearing these stories about guys like tanev, eichel, lehner and bergeron just boggles my mind. It is incredibly difficult to live your life in constant pain; let alone play one of the most physical sports in the world
I'm screaming at my screen DAVID PERRON!
Steve, if you enjoy playing Wordle, check out "Hertl". It's the exact same as Wordle, but instead you guess the NHL player.
Wordle and Hertl are both staples in my midnight routine lol
As for why the Flames lost, it's because Calgary's top producers didn't show up. Hyman has individually scored more goals in this series than the entire top Flames line of Gaudreau, Tachuck and Lindholm. And Hyman played mostly on EDMs 2nd line.
Yet again in Gadreaus case. Hope he's gone this summer
Leo talking now...Wow!! Can’t believe he’s now almost 2 yrs old. Time does fly. 😊
Good man Steve!! We’re going to take Real Madrid & pound them into the pitch!! 😁 GO LFC GO!!!
I’m still mad about last night & that goal being called back. I can’t believe it happened again. We get robbed by the Officials yet again. Yes, the Flames had a rough series, but it only takes one goal & one game for momentum to shift & you could feel that w/that goal last night. & then...
You can’t tell me the NHL doesn’t want McDavid in the Stanley Cup Final & here they had the chance to ensure at least a 3rd Round Appearance. Goody for them. I wouldn’t have a problem if the Oilers had won w/out the goal called back. This however? I’ll be cheering for the Avs next round. I just can’t do it this time for the Oilers.
& yes, I am bitter, because this hurts the Game of Hockey. Who wants to watch something like that happen? How do you explain that to a new Fan trying to learn about the Game? You can’t!!
But hey...They got what they wanted. McDavid in the 3rd Round....yippee.
If the NHL wanted McDavid in the Conference finals that badly, they would have made the right Goaltender Interference call in 2017, for which the Oilers got no sympathy, so I don't see why the Flames get any here
Drew did recently leave a scene in where you had your hand up to the camera reading a tweet. I forget exactly what lfr it was but it was in the last two months from the end of the season
For what its worth with regards to Matthew Tkahcuk being invisible vs the Oilers, its come out that he had a hand injury that a lot of people suspect goes back to the fights he had with John Klingberg in round 1 against Dallas. A broken hand would go a long way in explaining the massive decline in his shooting and passing from Round 1 Game 2 onwards.
If a review takes more than 5 minutes it is no longer "distinct" there for there is not enough evidence to over turn it. If your taking extended periods of time than your straight up looking to overturn the call over something so small. All us neutral fans should be allowed to go up to Gary Bettman and that crew that reviews calls in toronto to demonstrate what a "distinct kicking motion" is straight into their balls
I directly profited from that flames goal being called back. I bet on the Oilers at sports interaction. Even knowing that I would have lost money, I felt dirty getting paid at the expense of that goal not counting. That was absolutely a goal.
The rule itself is dumb, either allow all deflection or no deflection. "Intent and distinct" are not measurable, and it will differ from person to person.
If you wish is to protect goalies from kicking blade, than make it an auto penalty if your blades touch the goalie
I watched the highlight for the missed red card, pretty damn funny.
Im surprised Adam Larsson didnt come up in this episode given how similar his issues with his shoulder are to Tanev's injury. He deser es a lot of respect for making the decision to put his health and his post-career comfort ahead of a team's need despite how much he could have gained from playing
As a Flames fan that Coleman call back goal was definitely a goal without a doubt. Do the Flames win that game if it’s not called back? Meh… maybe. Would of just prolonged the inevitable doom that McDavid has put on them. Congratulations to the oilers, I’m cheering for you guys. Bring the cup to Alberta!
Am i the only one who remembers they amended and removed "distinct kicking motion" in september? i feel like i'm taking crazy pills
Source?
Doesn't matter either way, Edmonton DOMINATED. Could have easily tied it anyways there was lots of time left. And both teams started with a clean sheet for overtime, and the they still won. Grade A shots in the game were 20-11 in favor the Oilers. McDavid just adds to his legacy. Move along 🤣
Just for reference, you guys absolutely can show clips. It's fair use in this context as long as it is under 30 seconds.
Oilers fan here - Felt bad for Flames fans and Coleman, he handled it really well with media. Would have preferred the goal stood (looked good to me) it took some of the fun out of the win. I think we would have come back anyway - game 5, 6 tops - it was just a matter of time. Refs in general are an embarrassment to the game in playoffs.
The way I see it is, imagine there is no net or puck there, what trajectory does his skate take while he is falling? To me it looks like he is extending his leg to make sure his skate hits the puck (kicking), if there was no puck/net there, his leg doesnt extend so far out
I can't wait until the Rick Westhead interview on Monday.
Chris Kamara is legend who is fantastic at his job. The disrespect from Jesse, literally one of the greatest moments in sports broadcasting history.
The kicking argument devolves to was his foot active or passive? In Coleman's case i thought from the initial sequence that his foot was active, he moved the puck with is foot. Kick? No. Push? Yes.
Maybe if the NHL had doctors for each team that dosnt't have pressure from their perspective clubs
Punctured lung this year was Matt Dumba I believe.
im in the camp that if you cant glove a puck into the net, then no part of the skate can be used to propel the puck into the net, deflections are okay cause its not forward motion, outside of the skate and toe are where the danger rises too high. steves right they are all good or all not, i prefer not as safety should always be the first concern.
1:29:00 that's a colossal dangit
The "kick" goal should have counted, yes, I agree with that... but the better team won anyway. Not really a robbery of the "game" as Steve said, but of the goal.
It was 100% a good goal.
a) the puck was going in anyways
b) the player, in an attempt to stop/slow down moved their leg out in front of them, as happens in a natural reaction. The leg had stopped its rotational movement before contacting the puck.
c) the puck made contact with the skate of the player who was trying to prevent forward movement, which then happened to come into contact with the puck as they were moving at different velocities. Both the puck and the skate were traveling in the same direction of motion.
c) The oilers player helped drive the calgary player forward into the puck
d) there was no kicking motion, the puck deflected off the players skate in the same directional plane.
We have whole fields of study around the body and body movement. "distinct kicking motion" can be something very easily quantified, as there are literal experts who study and have doctorates in this information. "kicking motion" is very different from a "deflection"
Joe Sakic looks like a Simpson's character
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Die hard Oilers fan here and I agree...it was 100% a goal. Flames got screwed, but typical drama will keep the Battle of Alberta narrative going until the next series.
I wish at the very least the on ice official would give a brief reasoning as to why they're making the call the way they are. In this instance give us the reasoning you and the review team came to the indisputable conclusion that this was a no goal for a distinct kicking motion.
Hated canadian domain at the zoo but good on them for having water at the top for like 10 bucks a bottle ! They need the train rail back !
Coleman extends his leg to further propel the puck into the net. Kicks are NOT always done with the toe, Steve and Jesse, as you well know - passes and kicks are done with all parts of the foot, not just the toe.
Man we had to endure DET in 02-03 and MIN in 03-04. We know how it goes with losing game 6 and 7.
The fact that people are so divided. You have NHL experts and analyst saying different things means they need to fix the rule.
I've loved hockey my entire life, but it must be hard for new fans to watch hockey when the refs don't even know how to call the rules.
Steve ask Adam or Jesse to take your game if a "no seven" game makes NHL starts early next round.
Kick in goals are not allowed because that's not the sport. Hockey sticks are what you use to score hockey goals. The "distinct kicking motion" rule came in because goal scoring was way down in the 90s and they were trying to allow more goals to count. Don't change the rules in game 5 of round 2 or anything, but intentional foot goals suck.
I think it should be a goal but with the president the league set for kick ins and some plays that have been called kicks it is a kick in
I almost wish sports betting became illegal again
Not because I think it's bad or anything
I'm just so sick of every platform focusing more on the gambling than the sport itself. I tried to look up Hyman's contract on a sports app the other day but it wasn't listed, however if I wanted to know the betting odds of him scoring the first goal in the conference final, finding that was easy... Like wtf are we doing.
Flames got hosed in that call.
Not only did Coleman completely change the direction of the puck with a thrust of his leg, but also the SPEED of the puck. The puck was slowly wobbling towards the inside of the post, as was his left leg going for the post... He thrust his leg at the puck, and accelerated it in a totally different direction. That's a kick. He should have left it alone and it would have went in anyways.
Also... Bieksa made the best point, Coleman did a very good job at trying to hide the fact he kicked it, but the officials weren't fooled and they made the right call.
He definitely directed and pushed it in but it wasn't a standard kicking motion. He clearly used his momentum to scoop it in...Is that legal? I guess not on that day.
KIDS TABLE LETS GOOOOO
We need some adds without Adam for when there’s kids table episodes 😂
Nah it makes them way easier to skip
Bring producer Drew on the show to do editor provacateur with Robert Malloy!
Will Pointe play in the next round ?....
Leon Draisaitl is the best passer in the game, forehand and backhand.
Look the call was brutal, but there is no guarantee that the flames would have even held the lead.
That's not the part folks are mad about. Good god.
no guarantee the oilers tie it
The ones that said they were going to look for offside should know that refs do not look for that the linesmen do.
when I first saw the goal I thought it was good. After seeing it in Slo-mo I saw that it was pushed across the goal line. I disagree with Steve that the puck was going in anyways. The puck dropped straight down with no momentum.
So what. Markstrom couldn't stop a beach ball in this series. He was injured and tired. Instead he inflated Edmonton's hope of beating Colorado. That's not happening.
Next time he‘ll just let that go in the net instead of trying to kick it in
Steve...he's clearly not a NOTED Allan Walsh client if you forgot... Adam Wylde: you are off the hook for your previous Perron gaffe...Steve has unceremonously taken your place.
I frankly don’t understand the hoopla about the disallowed goal. It was an obvious botched call. As far as I can tell no one is claiming it cost the Flames the series, Edmonton was clearly the better team throughout, and there was clear and obvious precedent set by the officials (both this season and in seasons prior) that contradicted their decision in this game. I’m new to hockey so seeing the contradiction to precedent like that was surprising but what’s even more shocking is how many ppl defended the call.
In any other sport that’s clearly a missed call ppl wouldn’t defend. Again, it wasn’t the reason the Flames lost the series so it makes defending the decision make even less sense to me.
Straight up producer drew needs his own AFR, and this network needs to back it
All kick-in goals should just be allowed. It's hard enough to do on purpose anyway. And the refs would have one less thing to worry about. Less controversies.
This would be nice, but I don't think any goalie would want the rulebook to allow skaters to swing their knives toward them all game.
My whole life I would've laughed this off as something ridiculous but it's completely the answer. It being allowed would change absolutely nothing about the game except for removing these controversies alone. It's completely less effective and wouldn't increase in frequency which wouldn't be any more dangerous for goalies than it already is. If you can beat a goalie with your foot, all the power to you. It was completely a kick, so no goal... but I don't understand the point in having the rule at all. It doesn't turn it into soccer to make this change. Simplifies everything imo.
@@jonathansaraco I understand and respect your point, but I just don't think it would be as dangerous as you think since players' skates tend to stay downward on the ice. So unless they're trying to kick in a puck that's midair, there shouldn't be any great safety concerns.
1:24:11
Well....Blues found a way
Colorado has 7 guys with 20 goals so I don't really see how they don't have balanced scoring too..... Also only 3 people, that played at least 40 games for the team, with a minus...
Also side note, I would have loved to see how Gabe and Nate would have done if they played 75+ games this year. Gabe had 30 goals in 51 games which is just an incredible pace compared to the rest of his career (and for anyone really). And we all know the story with Mackinnon too.
I mean it happened and it’s not up for debate cause the same refs that called the goal took it back after review
I guess we are just waiting for the Reader’s Digest to write another article before we stop with the gambling ads
Steve talking about getting things fix, or fighting through pain… I’m having stomach problems, and I’m not making millions !!! Im going to call my doctor in the morning.
lets go avs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
24.07-24.46 what the hell was that segway?
guys the NHL is fix Mr Bettman is making sure of that
1:28:20 ALLAN WALSH CLIENT DAVID PER…..
How dare you besmirch Chris Kamara. He’s a legend
It was a distinct kicking motion passed on the path his skate would had to take if the puck wasn't there. If the puck isn't there Coleman doesn't hit the post with his skate. Coleman also extends his knee.
Coleman kicked that puck in the net if you don’t see that you don’t understand skating or the momentum there or like probably anything. Great call by the refs, I’m a leafs fan and was routing for Calgary, it was just a good fning call. He did it in a deceiving way, he was trying to make it this hard to figure out, but it’s a clearly unnatural movement and he was kicking that puck.
honestly If you think coleman kicked that in you have to be rooting for the oilers theres no way thats a kick, and everyone should be mad that that call went that way.
the nhl just isnt consistent. it makes no sense.
those 8 players should never play a game in the nhl and should be charged.. CHARGED!!! not the conduct of gentlemen at all.. if they nhl doesnt investigate and find out those 8 players and punish them then there is somthing wrong.. very wrong
There is something wrong and nothing will happen. So many apologies and "we will do better!"
The victims of sexual assault thank you, NHL, for all those words of absolute BS
The puck can be kicked all over the ice, just not into the net. So saying that you can't kick the puck into the net is for safety is only for the goalies safety only perhaps? Guys kick the puck all the time otherwise.
Thompson didn’t kick the puck in, he kicked his leg out & the puck hit it & “deflected” into the net. GOOD GOAL
Coleman made sure his foot made contact with the puck & shoved it into the net. You can tell it was on purpose by the way he was falling, his foot should’ve been nowhere near the puck. Not a typical distinct kick but a distinct kick nonetheless. NO GOAL
It’s not that hard people 😂