How to Analyze Start Locations in Civ 6 Rise and Fall a Guide to your Settling Strategy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Hey guys, PotatoMcWhiskey here with a video on how to settler your first city in Civ 6. I see a lot of people struggle with this so I thought it would be worth it to make a guide talking about what goes through my head when I'm choosing a starting location.
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7:29 "I think rain forests are still worth chopping, even if you playing Brazil."
As a Brazilian, it felt like a reality-loaded punch in the stomach...
The reality will fight back in the next expansion
@@OhNoTheFace Can't wait for them expansionists to squirm at the long term advantage of foresight :P
Best comment hahahah
the amazon desert
Don't worry, Brazil is rushing to end the game by 2040 so it won't matter
I've always been too afraid to move my settlers since Civ 5 when my starting settler was taken by a barbarian on the second turn.
Civ 6 starts with with a warrior though. Send that dude off to cover the direction you want to explore with your settler.
I don't think it's possible to have your settler taken on second turn in civ 5
Once?
and that is the story of the civilization that never was loll
@@Woolfix1 unless he was just exaggerating how quickly his settler was taken and you're just being pedantic 🤔
My brain rebels at settling on luxuries and bonuses, but you're definitely right about it.
I know right, I have same thing. It also rebels at the thought of harvesting resources lol
Yeah those mental barriers can happen man, good to just try break through them.
Harvesting is short term gain in exchange for long term gain, but on the long term you'll sometimes want to use some tiles with resources for districts or wonders, so it's not so bad to harvest resources if you're planning ahead.
Best wonder strategy in all Civ games has always been taking them, not making them. Except maybe powerful ones like Ruhr Valley or Big Ben.
IKR, I couldn't believe I'd heard him right.
Another advantage to settling on a luxury is that you can't remove luxury resources so they block potential district placements
Martin Fleetwood Good point man
I usually just figure things out for myself, so I haven't read it. But isn't there a huge encyclopedia in civ?
Civ has had probably the most beneficial manual in video game existence for a while and it's built into the game. It's just there's only so much a manual can say, especially when Civ has so many bits and pieces.
@@skylerdrabing4323 Every bot if the code is documented in house. The rules of the game could be exposed if Firaxis and 2K and Steam thought there was enough demand for that to make it worth their while.
@Dawn Clark I agree, Civ 3 and 4 Had comprehensive Civilopedias/Manuals, Civ 5 seemed okay but after playing the series Im not sure if it would've been harder to understand if I was new. Im noticing with Civ 6 a lot of information I need isn't there and some of the entries are just redundant
Couldn't understand your reasoning for wanting to set up districts so early then DING DING DING! You mentioned that just starting the district locked in the price. Now I've got a whole lotta things I need to try.
00:00 Location 1 Dutch Fresh Water & Plains Hill
06:39 Location 2 Brazil Fresh Water, Plains Hill & Luxury
13:50 Location 3 Poor location, too much flatland, too much desert (Re-roll?)
17:46 Location 4 Little flat, several choppables, Tea Resource
20:45 Location 5 Tundra but Faith Luxury
22:52 Location 6 Plains Hill, 2 luxuries, lotta choppables
24:27 Location 7 Settle on Citrus (plantation)
Awesome analysis. I'm not that good of player (mostly stick at prince level). Will take your hints at heart on my next game!
Dennis Harrison potato doesnt yet have a college degree
Moving 2 turns for the pigs is not worth it. You get the gold anyway... you put a citizen on it. Lol.
Ian Rust you dont need to spend a builder charge and you get it immediatly
Ian Rust you still get the goldbecause its a lux resource and you van sell the lux for even more gold very early
Know what you mean Mad .... building knight and running into tanks 6 tiles outside of your city :) :)
“If I don’t make my capitol they can’t take my capitol”-Brazil
This is the first comment I’ve made on a TH-cam video in literally years, but I wanted to thank you. I picked up Civ 6 about a week ago and have been watching videos on here in my spare time to try and understand it better (there’s a lot to learn) - This is easily the best one I’ve come across so far. I really love that you explained your thought process rather than just showing us what you do, I feel like I’m going to make way better decisions to set up my game now! Subbed!
Honestly my OCD is half the reason I'm so bad at this game: I see unimproved resources and I immediately get builders, wether I need them or not, and always have all the buildings in each district, diverting production from more nesessary stuff.
I also hate having to chop.
Same I hate having to chop or having unimproved tiles
Wow I have found myself
You speak the truth 🙌🏻
Wow, learned more in 20 mins, than I have by playing Civ for years! Nice level of detail, and really like how you explain the why, as well as the how. Good job! More please!
As somebody who's just started playing on PS4, very useful, a few things I've never considered or misunderstood!
Australia's strange bonuses flip some of these axioms on their heads. All of a sudden, coasts are more valuable than Freshwater alone, and mines are more awkward since they mess around with the Appeal bonus of your districts.
Australia has become my favorite Civ. Playing them has become hard because they often go against my better instincts in the beginning. I overprioritize cattle and coastal locations and suddenly deserts aren't off-putting...
EIfel tower is a must have wonder with austalia...
It’s interesting watching this a year later and seeing the changes made to harvesting. Magnus isn’t quite as OP anymore. Also, it might b a good disclaimer that some of these strats aren’t quite as strong against players or online play bc of smarter combat, and harvesting too many bonus resources (which are now worth dramatically less) can stifle late game strength against a player who’s built a far more reliable economy and didn’t succumb to your early pressure
Edit: also districts now scale by number in the empire too rather than just price, making rushing them beyond the first couple cities rather futile
Recently got back into Civi 5 and most 6. I never realised about settling on a luxuries, you get that luxury immediately. Really Appreciate this mate!
Love the video, very helpful. You should consider doing more tutorials :)
Josua Nygren We'll see if I make more.
Playing Civ since it launched and this video taught me a whole different way to think about city placement. Thank you. Your strategies and the thought processes behind them are fascinating. Please consider doing some more like this.
"I think rain forests are still worth chopping, even if you playing Brazil." :'( Balsonaro agrees
So glad I watched this video because I only just recently started playing after watching someone's let's play of the game and I had no idea about settling on top of resources! So many maps I avoided because the soldiers being slowed down by hills and forests! lol
Thank you. :)
Great Analysis. I thought I was doing a good job picking my starting location, but you make some strong points. I also thought that settling on a luxury ruined it.
As something of a newcomer to the Civ scene and a bit of a novice, this video has helped me up my early game substantially. Now I'm actually (hopefully) a bit more savvy on initial city placement and citizen allocation, helping me to optomise early-game production, and other relevant yields. So, thanks for the tips, which I've managed to find useful even though I don't currently have Rise & Fall.
"Let's quickly talk about how we're going to settle in Civ 6"... 30 minutes later...
Trance104 “one more turn”
Ahah. Actually, when you think about it, 30 minutes is pretty quick in term of "Civilization game" timing.
I mean, even "small" game ends up lasting hours so...
Nothing is quick in civ 6, unless it's me losing a game on anything close to diety
@@StabbyMcBlade too relatable lol
“I’m going to play Civ VI for like 20 minutes.” -Said no one ever.
Reality:
**starts a game at 1:30pm**
**stopped at 1:30am**
Omfg I’ve been looking for a guide like this forever. Thank you for helping me to be merely mediocre at this game instead of flaming garbage.
Eimile Mabry he is a pro , welcome here😉
Amazing, learned so much about a game that I have 900 hours in...starting up a new one with this knowledge. Thanks
Very interesting video, thank you. I suspect rolling Russia would have made the distinction between 2nd and 3rd ring tiles much less important.
This is great, i thought I had my start location analysis pretty down pat, but I didn’t realise the impact of selling luxuries so early on!
This is so helpful! I love how even after years of playing Civilization, there are endlessly diverse strategies that players have. I never even considered harvesting resources as viable, but now you make me curious. Basically if it's in the game, it shouldn't be disregarded.
I put this on in the background while getting some work done. I actually stopped working and sat myself in front of the screen. Good stuff!
Ah, CIV VI: the game that tells you that all CO2 emissions stay in the atmosphere FOREVER and a global flood apocalypse is inevitable.
Also CIV VI: chop chop all the rain forests, IT WILL BE FINE.
And nukes are dealing no damage to ecology
Ikr it's broken AF.
But it's true capitalism. Play as Cheney, spread fracking, baby can go more places.
@@АртёмГаврилов-т8б actually look at bikini atoll it's us who can't stay there. Short lived life doesn't care about radiation as much.
@@crhu319 capitalism is when the state does stuff
Well, what do you think happens to CO2 emissions? They don't just disappear over time you know.
I'm new to CivVI (even with no Google search history recorded, amazing how it starts suggesting CivVI videos within a day of me playing - fancy that!). Thank you for this video. So clearly and calmy explained - very informative. Thank you!
When you mentioned the amount of money an AI player pays for luxury resources, I am still waiting to see those values. I suspect that the trade deal routines have been nerfed sometime since this was posted.
This is so helpful. I've recently started playing Civ VI (experienced Civ IV player, but skipped V) and it's baffling just how much has changed. There are so many things I hadn't realised you could do, which would have been good before launching myself into my first game and immediately moaning about the lack of production!
Subbed, great explanations!
Looking forward to part 2!
You're the first youtuber I've seen that consider harvesting so heavily, interesting!
Would be interested in more tutorial videos also, please?
I'll see if I make another
Awesome video! Lots of counter-intuitive things pointed out that i'd probably never have thought of. Looking forward to more tutorial type videos!
FalcomPSX I don't know how many I'll make.
I haven't played since Civ 4....I just picked up Civ 6 and jumped in thinking I knew how it all worked. Didn't take long to figure out how wrong I was. Your videos really help me figure out and understand what the heck I'm doing. Appreciate it. Subscribed.
lol, I have never had a starting location like that...informative video btw, always good to hear new ways to game the ai on deity. in 300+hours playing, I never realized you don't loose the lux by settling on it. mind blown! game changer!
you might wish to consider doing a video on some of these 'lesser' known 'tricks.' they may seem obvious to you, but not to everyone. i've played civ for decades and probably got stuck in a rut as to my play-style.
I had always avoided to settle on luxuries to work on it. :(
@@BirTakimFikirler same here, but if you're on deity, and every turn counts, settling on it right away can give you a huge early boost. plus you can sell to the ai much earlier. so even more cash
Extremely good information. I feel like my game will totally improve.
For the Truffles... if you didn’t settle on it, you could still get The yields for the rest of the game. You could also improve the tile at turn 10... and get so much more gold lol
True..
Folks put cities on luxuries to guard it from raiders, to get the yields before they have a worker there etc
Sometimes I just plonk a 1 size city on a luxury to claim it and never develop the city..
Depends on your faction and strategy :)
You wouldn't be able to take advantage of ai to trade for gold, at least not to the same effect
I always start with Peter as it gives me two adjacent tiles to begin with 🙌
I know this video is old- but I have to share. My first game of Civ I had no clue what I was doing and thought the game just hated me. It was taking forever to get anywhere or make anything. I somehow made it through the ancient era into a dark age before quitting. I reloaded that save recently after winning a game on Emperor and laughed my ass off. I had spawned at the bottom of the map with no chops, my capital that I likely settled in place had no fresh water, there were no luxuries anywhere around me, to the north of me was a mountain with two lakes on either side of it, and ALL of the tiles going north were tundra hills 😭 I looked for a video to help me and came across this channel and started feeling way better about the beginning of my games- I almost reset my most recent win but stuck with it because there was enough potential to make things work!
Potato, when you consider the best spot for first city you have to include the future spot for second city and sometimes, when you're lucky to born in a spot mostly plain like in the play at 17:55 (so you have an initial big sight of the first tiles) the third city spot. I don't like cities too close to each other, cities must "breathe", the third ring of tiles in common at most, if you don't reach for example a resource too far to west, build the city further east and the second to the west.For the rest you're awesome, i discovered many things in your videos.P.S. sorry for terrible english.
Very good tips. Your reasoning behind them sounds solid and I intend to implement them, I have avoided harvesting certain resources in my games, mostly because of previous versions of Civilization rules. Been playing Civilization game series since Christmas of '95. Thoroughly enjoyed your video, please do more.
also worth checking: if u moved ur settler, you wasted a round, but if you go in the special camera for settling, if there are other civs or citystates near you, you may discover them early without meeting them
Thank you so much for this awesome video! I settled on turn 8 when playing with an experienced chew and they had such a laugh. Needless to say, I got crushed. No one explained all this to me and I am so glad I found your video. Those guys are in for it next time we game! :)
I would be interested to see your take on finding a good starting location specifically for the Maori once Gathering Storm is released
Shiny! Most excellent, indeed. Double plus good - good content and a good, long dive into the topic.
PS: Settling on plains hills is even better when later you discover you plopped your city on coal or aluminum, uranium even.
As interesting as it is to think about getting things right, I find that over-optimization kind of kills my fun, which is why I still try to get things MOSTLY right, and just play on king or emperor so you don't have to overoptimize and micromanage quite as much.
Wow this is great. Found you through the recommended videos and this taught me a ton of stuff I didn't know about Civ 6. Only recently started playing.
I always wondered about city settling strategy. I learned so much!
Playing Civ for years (25Yrs) and I did not know this for the beginning. I thought if I built on a resource it would be destroyed. Much appreciated.
Bravo! Clear and simple, this video helped me to achieve my first victory on Emperor. Looking forward to playing on a higher difficulty, all thanks to you :)
2.5yrs old and still wicked helpful information. Thanks much!
I never knew that about founding a city on plains hills. Thanks!
I always have "show crop yields" on, helps you make different decisions when placing a new city, selecting where to place districts, and know what you want that city to excel at (like production, science, culture, etc.)
My starting strategy had been so much different and apparently wrong lol. I've always settled near stone & food, which I see production & population growth. Luxuries are always secondary. I thought a lot of hill would greatly limit your population growth due to the lack of population growth.
Very helpful format. You trying to answer a seemingly simple question, gave great insight in how deeper mechanics in the game work. Thanks for teaching a few things to us beginners.
Great video. I'm so picky about my start location and have spent hours reloading the game to get a good start. Question on the settling of the luxury or any resource. Do you still get it if you settle on it?
Yes.
Awesome, thanks. I've always been hesitant to settle on them in fear that I lose them.
I wonder if you have watched the video at all.
To be fair I only think he mentioned it 15 times.
Woods disappear if you settle on them, you don't get the production bonus from cutting them down either.
I've been looking for someone who explains things about civ clearly and concisely. You are who I have been searching for. Thank you sir.
Really well explained. I look forward to more of these vids. 🤗
I’ve only recently stumbled upon your channel while looking for some R&F explanation. It’s pure gold bro, very informative and viewer friendly, keep it up
Learned so much, this is going to help me finally beat the ai on diety
I only recently picked this game up but I really enjoy your very thorough explanation of what the benefits of such and such are, thank you !
I just need a few hills, fresh water, a few chops and I'm good
So right off the bat, what's not up for debate unlike the move your settler or not, is that the first thing you do is move your warrior to get the most visibility you can.
cursedsummoner Sometimes its fairly obvious where the best spot is right off the bat. By all means its a good rule to follow
Next time please also include "scout with your unit before settling" :)
rimservices Good catch.
Use settler for scout then reload at turn 10 for human to have some cheat, settlers are have extra sight. :))
Great vid man. Got 1000s hours in the civ series, but never really considered my starting position. Usually just plonked down wherever. Looking forward to my next playthrough.
We need a gathering storm edition now
Yes
@@SmashingSnow Yes, please...
I guess this is what you're looking for: th-cam.com/video/gVxDN1P4T_Y/w-d-xo.html
Not even gonna try to hide it Potato, I'm watching this to study up for my own lets play. I'm no expert so the tutorial's you've done recently are really helpful plus you've started to explain strategies and concepts more in your lets plays which is great! Thanks for the content... keep it up!
Wrote all of these tips down in my notebook under Civ6 Settling: McWhiskeyisms. This was invaluable and will definitely help fine tune my gameplay even further. Still playing on Prince, but this video really helped me see some things that I was ignoring or not fully understanding; which will ultimately help me continue to increase that difficulty slider. As always, thanks for taking the time to make these videos. Can’t wait for the next one. Keep up the amazing hard work sir!! Your assistance is absolutely appreciated!!
Just downloaded Civ 6 (first time playing any Civ game) and this guide really helped a lot in helping me understand the game! Thanks a lot and great work on the video!
Such a fantastic guide! Youre a treat to listen too also, your personality is calm, intelligent and sincere.
I love this guy cause i just imagine Dara O'Brien playing Civ6
Another good spot to settle recently are on geothermal fissures. It used to be that settling on them removed the feature but not anymore. So if you settle on one, you keep the science bonus and also adjacency bonuses for campuses, aqueducts, etc.
Wow, you rolled some awesome starting positions there, I'm rarely so lucky 🤔
thanks for teaching me how to be at least decent at civ with your tutorials potato. I moved from when I started playing information-settler games, to ancient-prince games and didn’t die instantly. your a legend man. keep making great content
Just getting into this game now, great tips and easy to understand, thanks so much!
This video in particular really got me into Civ VI after the new expansion. Thank you!
Did you, during the making if this video, ever get a starting location that made you want to abandon the video, and play for the next 5 hours?
I'm sure he could just save it to continue later LOL
Thanks for the tips. I played the crap out of Revolution and loved it. I know it was dumbed down and this is more in depth as far as options. I still consider myself a beginner with this game and now I feel I have a more comfortable grasp on it. Cheers 🍻
Rule one: Scout before you plant.
Thanking ye! Couldn't figure out exactly why some cities would grow so fast at the start, couldn't be bothered working out the mechanics either lol
This was very helpful, thank you
A little lengthy, but pretty informative. Very nice my man...
Face66 Yeah man, it is what it is
Lengthy is good, when the content is good. This one is double plus good.
SporadiK. Nah. 29 mins ain’t lengthy. 3 hours would be
Thanks for the video, really insightful. Please go over what you consider when resource chopping for wonders or rush builds in the next videos!
Thanks a lot for this video : a lot of thinking ! I just discovered a lot of things I didn't take into account. Great !
every time when i pick up Civ6 after a long break, i come back to your videos to refresh my knowledge:)
good explanation, potato! two thumbs up! =)
I used to look way to much at luxury ressources when it come to pick a city placement.
Hills, mountains and jungles are way more important than I though. Thx for the expertise :D
I always go for domination victory. That's actually the only victory I've ever had. Seems easiest. I dominated the places on my continent. I sail to the next landmass and those empires have skyscrapers and looks advanced af. All I had was farms/mines and encampments and harbors. But had so many units that I squashed everyone. Takes a while tho because u have to manage so many units but it's fun
that's a lot of detail I've never paid attention before, I guess some RoTs are fresh water, early hills, work productions, chop bonuses, and settle on luxuries
good stuff, thanks :) now i want to restart all my games lol
Helpful information. Last Civilization game I played was II so there's been a lot of change to try and get my head round. Figure I'll start from scratch and learn from the settling stage.
Who came back after it passed 1mil views ❤️
This was great, always assumed settling on resources would destroy them. Fuck me, not only can you work them inside your city but also get to skip the tech required for them. That's indeed powerful, thanks for this.
You play on fast speed? Marathon or bust man. 2000 turns or nothing.
For real. I just started playing on the setting just slower than standard and I love the extended eras.
YES ! Nothing better than a (very ((very) (very))) long game. With the mods Tech tree and Civic tree X1,5 or X2.
Marathon is absolute hell in 6 late game. Sorry.
@@Wjw129 well that's true. But in Civ Vi, I never play after the Industrial/modern era
@@jojolapatate6662 Then you don't play the game.
I'm usually staying at prince at it's highest but have recently upped the difficulty to king. I want to get to diety eventually and videos like this really help understand the game better. Earned my sub.
Good video, hope you get well soon!
SMH SMH Cheers
Hello Mr. McWhiskey
I'm late to the party but I've watched a few different "guide" vids from a bunch of channels
and yours are by far the best
Cheers!!
P.S are you from Mayo by chance?
very interesting video - thanks for posting.
You're welcome man!
Played 300 hours in Civ5 and 280 hours in Civ6. I still learnt something from your first minute of analyzing the start location, i had no clue about the Plains hill production thing after settling. And the discussion about harvesting plots. Ive literally never harvested anything in my entire time playing the game.
I always just thought "200 turns of that resource must be better than a boost right now". But ofc it depends on the value of the thing you are building.
Are you Ed Beach?
Great video! Couldn't find any more guide/strategy Civ6 videos on your channel but I'm looking forward to the next one.
Sure!