Ok but why is it the girl's fault for the company liking her a lot? She's doing her job and her presence doesn't feel pushy... They are all very talented girls.
Also the audacity to say they favor her for rightfully defending her. As pointed out they didn’t always do that so we should be talking about how SM finally got their shit together.
As a Karina Stan myself yes Karina is the most pushed in black mamba era but now it all end coz every girl has time to shine right now. Their line distribution is fair , screen time distribution is fair. Giselle get a Collab with NCT members. Ningning has showcased her singing and has a cover. Winter get to perform 3 stages and has a Collab stage with DJ raiden. Even she cover boa's peace b No matter what support our girls Karina is the it girl of this generation.
not about line distribution, the Koreans have more screen time, more promotions even in ads, GOT project, they push them always in the middle, amazing Saturday appearance and many many other things
Not trying to discredit Karina in any way, but her case doesn't scream MissA or 4minutes vibe. Winter is just has popular as her. If anything, Karina is the new Lisa. In terms of recognization. People who first get into Aespa already know Karina name, but after sometime they either start stanning Winter or the other girls. The same way people be stanning Jennie. Karina is the face of the group, but her popularity isn't doesn't overshadow the other members to the point of people not knowing their basic name.
I kinda agree, cause. she is really a centre and face in it’s truest sense. Like I’m not like an aespa Stan, but Karina drew me in but now I’m more drawn to ningning when I check them out. I feel like she doesn’t overshadow she’s just kinda like the lure to the group cause she is kinda magnetic. Like in black mamba she really stood out in a good way at least to me.
Also Karina is not Lisa….she is the most biased yes but she also got other fandoms being drawn to aespa becuz of her so she is more like jennie vibe but with Lisas popularity
people should stop hating on the poor girl. she is talented, can rap, dance well and lead vocal material. it is not her fault that she is more popular than the other members:(
Ikr, I honestly feel really bad for her and Wonyoung, they both are gettin crazy hate even though it's not their fault for them gettin favoritism, but they both are extremely good in terms of stage presence, and talented, Wonyoung is improving a lot since I've debut, I hope they get a lot of love from fans
Who hates them? International fans? cuz I haven't really seen any hate on Karina from domestic. Wonyoung might get some jealousy cuz Ive hit #6 in first-week album sales and got super big so fast even surpassing all the Twice records.. as long as they are loved domestically, I don't think they even care much..
@@wonyo2563 I have seen so many knetz hating on her and aespa and calling her average looking... Wonyoung doesn't get hate in Korea but Aespa and Karina get a lot of hate there...just see their pann posts
SAY IT LOUDER. also the fact that she genuinely cares for her members and how she said that giselle is improving a lot shows that she doesn't overshadow her and the members.
@@GLawSomnia that's where it comes when you don't ult/stan them. you should know your place as a newbie of aespa or don't follow them. Try exploring more of AESPA
The thing is Karina isn't just the visual like in some kpop groups, she's an all rounder so she stands out even more. But, if you dont know about Aespa, she honestly doesn't overshadow the other members once you get into them. It didn't take long for me to recognize Winter, Ningning, and Giselle when I got into Aespa. I mean Winter (in terms of popularity) is kinda the same with Karina.
agreed. even somehow, I think Winter is the most popular member especially among male fans though. Imo she fits all the criterias for "the perfect girlfriend" according to Korean beauty standard rather than Karina
Karina wasn't really shoved into our faces, it's just natural to be drawn to her since she has really recognizable features. But in my case, what caught my eye is Ningning during the Next Level era.
Karina is my girl. I never stan anyone as much as her. She’s just so special to me. She’s talented, beautiful and kind. I love her so much and I hope she will go far with her careers.
@Mr. Empty i said she’s kind because i can see how she treats people around her, and how loved she is by her members and staffs. Ofc nobody can be sure if someone really kind, not even with people that you meet everyday, but i said that because that’s what i saw from her ever since she’s debut until now
@@Aniaro01 im a ot3 stan ,i dont stan Winter like her fans just keep hating my bias like a lot. but i dont hate her though i just dont stan her, her fans is toxic like going to karina videos or fancams just to hate.
Reminds me of Nct's Taeyong situation people used to call him SM's fav and the most pushed member(they still call him tho) and look at him now being one of the most talented k-pop idol out there who can sing, dance, rap, write, produce, compose, choreograph and direct. He has established himself as an artist now. And Karina attracts more attention and people to Aespa but that doesn't means she is most pushed and Sm's fav it's not her fault people are paying much attention to her and it's too early to predict that the group will end up like some other disbanded group coz all are 4 members in Aespa are talented and are recognised for their talent and skills. They all are getting equal opportunities so let's be positive about them.
But I do think in nct’s case taeyong was definitely one of the most promoted members. I can see why since he’s multi talented. The aespa girls are definitely getting more equal opportunities
Well I’m just glad SM is starting to push the others in NCT too. Did you hear about Yuta starting to film for a Japanese movie? And Kun’s NCT Lab? Also Shotaro and Yuta got to be in a magazine? And Taeyong and Yuta got to be in a magazine too? And Doyoung’s about to be in a new drama?? I’m excited about all of these!!! I’m pretty sure the same will happen to Aespa
Karina is genuinely kind. Maybe even a little overwhelmed with all this succes. She's down to earth and doesn't Let succes go to her head. I think she's amazing.
I just wanna say one thing that...Some People hate something that stands out they hate people who stand out naturally without even trying. we all know Karina is a all in one she can sing,rap,dance and has outstanding visuals it's was obvious she would be most biased but it's not her fault why is she getting hated because she is most biased y'all acting like as if she forced people to only like her like dude stop maybe many people liked her vocals,dance etc it's their own wish thats why they stanned her stop hating her she has emotions to omg.about bullying and the mean texts how did people believe it so easily like dude you don't even know her personally you only know her as a idol stay in your limits you don't even have proff and use the brain which may not exist. There is something called lying or Photoshop You guys don't even have proper evidence that she was the one bullying like did u see her doing it no right then u don't have the rights to hate or bully her learn something called respect and staying in your limits.(the bullying thing I am saying to haters not everyone :) )
@@multifan6679 I honestly don't know :(( I guess yes since savage era winters popularity has grown a lot...I just told about the debut days and before debut :)
Don’t sleep on NingNing she has qualities that standout on her own. Like she was the star at Coachella imo. In fact she’s always been noticeable like the red hair next level look was as iconic as anything in Aespa
Karina is that girl…and her popularity is insane….but i feel like becuz she is so popular other stans have something against her….Karina is nice and i hope Everyone seees that
@hello no she didnt…the reason those rumours where chosen to be made was becuz of her popularity💀if she wasnt «that girl» nobody would be jelouse and made thos rumours
Karina's presence doesn't feel pushy, its not her fault being so beautifull and talented, for me I like her the most bcs of her vocals, dance skills, her sweet personality, her charisma (she is an eye catching what can I do?), I feel like she is the most kind member in aespa (no hate, I love them all OT4) that's why karina is so popular.. by the way all of them are popular. We love them all. Aespa stan ❤
I was surprised when I started watching behind-the-scenes and variety clips, she has a cute and soft side that really comes out, and it contrasts so much with her sharp presence on stage. It's really cute. Winter has such a cute face but is way more "fierce" in her off-stage persona than Karina (and even then has an aegyo side that keeps coming out lol).
I dont really listen to Aespa but I really like Karina. I love her dancing style and vocals and she's super pretty. Definitely stood out to me and has this unspoken charisma. I even feel tempted to buy makeup she models for. Alot of eyes were already on her even if aespa's management didn't push her out more
Hyuna WAS the impetus for 4 min. She was the first member and before it had a name it was called the “Hyuna group”. Being a former Wonder Girl, she was the selling point from the start.
at the end of the day it was Cube who f'd up the group. They were doing well as a group but Cube just kept on pushing Hyuna to a point where it created a rift between the other members and the fans.
Heard she has at least 32 fancams, over 1Million views every time she lifts a vinger. Imagine the tremendous pressure that comes along with such popularity. Amazing beauty and popularity come with a price. That does not stop this amazing girl from being a trusted loyal member of AESPA, the GROUP we all love
I find it strange when I hear about the whole Karina thing. Whenever I watch Aespa's MV's, I'm floored by Ningning and Winter. They're the two that just stun me with their vocals. I think the hate against Karina is sad. Poor girl must be going through a lot.
NingNing and winter should definitely need to switch up 😂 next level the only vocal show off part only give to winter almost made new netizen think she is main vocal 😹then after savage the couple high note they both got evenly but the couple killing part and the most extremely talented hight note it’s give to Ning Ning
Karina may be The most popular member, but recently I’ve seen a lot of support and love for the other members equally. this situation has gotten better and is a bit different than ive’s, in my opinion
Karina is not MOST popular member, i dont understand why non asian fan think Karina is most popular actually... i love Karina but in asia all of them are popular there is no "MOST".
@@hamsa2903 in china ...do you really believe DHSHDHSHXHSHF I CAME FROM CHINA LIKE 1 YEARS AGO and im totaly sure ninging is the most popular in China. Like she is chinese pls you are so cringe
This video does not make any sense,Karina WAS the most popular during their debut era!! NOT ANYMORE.. Almost all members are equally popular and Winter is in the same league as Karina i believe! They literally top brand rankings almost every time!! And SM is not biased towards her at all..almost everything is fair in Aespa ranging from line distribution to screentime to solo projects for each members!!
LITERALLY. this video is full of wrong things and very manipulating, nobody dont even hate Karina or think she is most popular, all of them have their own p opularity. in China Ninging, in japan Giselle is popular. this video literally trash
Stop hating on the poor girl, it isn't her fault being more popular than other members, karina is an eye catching what can we do? She has a great visual and body, a great dancer, a good rapper, lead vocalist material...she is so humble (yeah I noticed that she was the only member reacting to other idols) no hate to the other members I like them all and my bias is giselle..anyway stop hating on karina y'all
@@cernkoc karina IS main vocalist material. this fact has nothing to do with winter or ning x2. if karina was in another group, she would definitely have a vocal position. karina is the ace, center & overall face of aespa. cry about it ❤️
@@madisonk5240 LMAOOO little kid. karina and winter literally my bias LOL. you should learn meaning of ACE first, its not easy as you thought lmao, if karina wants to be ACE she should WRITE their own songs, manage some projects etc.. you literally dont even know what is ACE. and second thing, she is not in another group, and THIS group have more talented vocals than karina, its truth. SHE IS PRETTY, AND TALENTED, but not "MORE" than the other members. now cry about it^^
Karina's beauty and talent is shining. She is an amazing idol and will be a great star in her own right. Ppl hate how popular she is. Success breeds so much envy
Honestly, I think this video is not helping Karina at all, she is not pushed much more than the other members, but the video made it seem like it. Also all Aespa members have a considerable amount of Stans, there are some members more popular than others but not by much
@@hamsa2903 she is not MORE popular than other groups stop saying same sht in every comment dude. i dont understand why this non asian fans think Karina is most popular in group Lmao, literally all of them are popular and have their own popularity, in China Ninging is popular in Japan giselle is popular ALL of them are most popular band in Asia.
@@cernkoc what are u talking about😂😂 even non fans know that….Karina has double the popularity in china…and winter is the most popular in japan but not by alot….stop lying to urself
Honestly i don't know where people got this "SM pushes Karina more" when from what i've seen, neither of the members is pushed at all, all of them got their time to shine either through special stages or solo gigs, might be less for NingSelle but overall i haven't seen a big favour to Karina at all....Like that person said, she's the center of the group, so of course we'll see her standing at the front, being on the center or seeing her face everywhere, that's her position, but all the members have got their time to shine too.
I wouldn’t really compare it to cl or hyuna since with them the other members of the group were definitely way less popular. But with bp and aespa it’s a bit different since despite some members being pushed more, all girls have quite a lot of popularity
@@noexonolife65 Just with Hyuna the other members where considerably less popular you mean. Hyuna wasn't even my bias in 4Minute, but Hyuna was definitely a main character in everything involving the group while everyone else was kind of left behind by CUBE. In other hand, when it comes to 2NE1, Park Bom was never underestimated for having the best singing voice there; Dara wasn't the main focus on their songs, but she is an actress, considered the prettiest members and had her own solid fantasy since forever. Minzy, despite being an outstanding dancer was the member that was more left behind, was not even a hidden thing all her members had solo music and activities beside her. But is not like CL stole their spotlight, she was the rapper and for sure the most well known name outside of Korea, but not the center of everything like Hyuna.
One thing is karina would never say anything bad to sm groups. She's honestly the ultimate SM STANS. She knows a lot of birthdays of sm artists and many facts about sm(like SM The Ballad). And about her attitude, honestly she is the angel-like member of the group
This is going to be really long but I have a lot of thoughts about this so I thought I'd leave a comment. I'm a predebut aespa fan and Karina is my ultimate bias now. She doesn't get treated as good as it may seem from outside the fandom, especially her own subfandom. - SM stood up for her once they haven't been protecting her (nor any of the members) from the nasty comments since. Even the son of a government official was exposed for saying things about her but nothing was done to ensure her wellbeing. - They often don't post Karina's pictures on social media, or post them and delete them later without giving a reason while keepnig the other member's posts up. - Since debut, two of her birthdays passed and while the other members got contents like special birthday videos posted to TH-cam and Twitter, Karina got a short video on an Instagram story last year, and nothing this year. She asked if she could hold a birthday event (like a livestream) but she revealed on Bubble that the company told her no. - While the other members are allowed to experiment with hairstyles and styling, she's been restricted to the exact same hairstyle for the past 2 years now. Even when she changed her hairstyle during the short break they took this year, SM dyed her hair back to a dark color, straightened it and added extensions to make it look exactly as it was before. Also, I don't think aespa will be anything like 4minute. Karina cares so much about her members, there's one clip that really stuck with me that proves it. During their appearance on Knowing Bros, they'd give small individual talent showcases as a segment on the show where all 4 of them prepared a little performance. During Ningning's vocal performance, Karina was sitting behind her and she stood up to walk the side. You can hear one of the hosts quietly asking her why, and her replying that people should focus on Ningning only so she didn't want to be in frame. She's also always affectionate with the other girls, both times they went to an airport she'd be making sure everyone is alright when the crowd got too close to them. Ningning also mentioned on a radio show that since she's a foreigner, she needed a lot of help to adjust to life in Korea and Karina is someone she's thankful for because she helps her a lot. Both Winter and Giselle also often mention Karina's kindness especially whenever they write letters to each other as part of a variety show or special event. Karina is a wonderful and sweet girl, she doesn't only shower her fans with love and care but her members and everyone around her in her life. Countless stories about her childhood are out there, people always talk about how nice and thoughtful she is, and share small endearing details about how she treats others even if she's not personally close to them. She deserves absolutely none of the hate she's ever gotten. I really hope as aespa grows our fandom will too, so one day our love astronomically outweighs the hate. At this point they still see it, and we know because they tell MYs. They talked about it as recently as after the Coachella performance. If you're not a fan of aespa, I hope you can find it in you not to be so harsh on them. They debuted during a pandemic, they don't have much experience being an idol yet, but they're working hard and they're all really kind and loving people. Karina being the leader of such a wonderful group makes so much sense because they all take after her in some ways. She's not much older than the other members but it feels like she's really mature for her age, she's self-aware but uses the position she's in to spread kindness and love every single day, she deserves the same treatment.
About the hair thingy… I believe she mentioned that she personally likes having long hair and didn’t like it when she had it short during predebut. All the ironing definitely destroyed her hair so she had to cut it to mid length recently but I don’t think SM’s particularly restricting her about it.
Karina may be the most popular member but she doesn't overshadow her other members. The other members also have lots of fans, Karina just has more. When aespa debuted, Karina really stood out to me, her visual is striking and her appearance is charismatic. She's the only one who stood out in Black Mamba era for me. But after that, all the other members stood out as well. I think Karina and Winter pretty much are on the same level of popularity rn. Ningning and Giselle are popular as well, and they're also mentioned a lot in comment sections. Bashers should stop hating on her just because she's the most popular. She's not my bias (Winter is my bias) but she's really captivating on stage and has a warm personality off-stage and she's also very talented plus her visual is unreal that's why she's really popular.
looking at Aespa actual I really can’t choose looking at their talent,visuals and potential all of them are IT GIRL material!! AESPA IT GIRLS!! IT GIRL GROUP OF 4th GEN!!♥️
For real. They all look like the main character on their own but that did not make it seem like weird or uncomfortable to see them together as a group with a leader at the same time. I think they all are the it girls.
Karina is it girl and honestly I feel like they’re pushing winter more than Karina but Karina stands out because she is an ace and jealous people are hating on her for no good reason
@@bismanaz7436 she is in fact pushed rn, if you watch aespa videos on youtube, especially the remastering project, the zoom in mostly on Winter. She definitely got different oustanding outfits and hairstyles, even in Coachella too. She also has the most media updates in aespa sns. If you are not in my fandom, you won’t realize it because most of non stans keeps seeing Karina at the center, but Winter is indeed the most pushed member currently.
Even Ningning said that she thought Karina to be snobby at first, but she was proved wrong. Karina was described as a soft and caring person. I don't think she's the most pushed member too, Ningning and Giselle were the members who made me stan aespa before they debuted. Haters should know their limits too
I once had a friend who hated any female idol who was very beautiful because they made her feel ugly. She especially hated beautiful female idols if they were in the same company as her male biases bc she couldn’t handle the fact that they would interact. If her bias ever had a dating rumor, she hated that female to death. She was one of those people. Karina, with her striking good looks, talent, and connections to many popular idols, seems like a target for those type of people, unfortunately.
I am not really an ÆSPA fan (I don’t really enjoy their songs), but Karina seems so sweet from the videos I saw of her. Even I don’t believe she could ever be so mean! She is so cute and sweet. I just don’t understand how people could hate her. 😕
I dont understand why people dig in every idol past life they have nothing to do and its bcz they all jeolous of her success i hope people stope hating on every k pop idols and sm have to take legal action its really bad situation
The difference with 4minute and aespa is the members all shine whereas in 4minute they didn’t get that. Like look at winter she was given a whole performance as a reveal to aespa. Ning Ning’s vocals are just crazy as hell and vocally she’s the most loved. Giselle literally shines when she sings or raps like that girl is gorgeous she even is multi talented and can speak English meaning she’ll represent the group more internationally giving her spotlight. Karina may be the all rounder but all the members shine meaning she won’t overshadow them in worth.
Karina is so pretty and so talented. She deserves all the love she gets. Hope that doesn't affect the love the other members receives. Aespa deserves the whole world after the hate they got.
im not a my, nor I know much about aespa but from what I've seen, Karina was born to be an idol and what's scary is that she's not even close to her full potential and she's already that good
I doubt it, sm does favouritism and it's no surprise, but i don't think they'll go far like cube ent and only push karina... Aespa is a very highly invested group of sm's and only pushing one member sounds a little icky... And other members fading, I don't think because winter and ningning are one of the most famous 4th gen vocalist and giselle being one of the top female rappers.. Aespa overall is very talented.. Honestly, it depends upon mys whether they choose to support all the members or start becoming solo stans.
Karina was the key in BlackMamba for understand the concept and universe for Aespa, so that’s why SM pushed her a lot in their debut era, but now every member shine . But is all about their story and concept
winter is the ‘secret weapon’ for the aespa teaser video all she did was smile n pose so when she debuted everyone was amazed bc they didnt think she could sing, she was also trained by a very famous person too so i dont get where this person got their sources
She was definitely the most pushed memebr during their debut days (closely followed by Winter) but that just isn't the case anymore. People need to stop with this narrative, already
i feel like all aespa members shine and the company is doing a great job in promoting them. karina's face is just more easily remembered than the others. if you're just a little bit into their music, you would definitely notice every member
This video didn't age well, lol. All four members are getting their own shine at this point. It was Winter and Giselle who's actually been trending since the release of "Spicy".
I really don’t think she has the time or cares enough to send hateful text messages on other Koop groups or be rude to industry people on set. She looks hard working and like she just wants to get the job done and move on. She doesn’t strike me as a problematic girl. She’s too smart for that.
I wish SM would've kept that same energy when it came to our poor boy Lucas 😒 Same with NingNing, but it's clear they care less about defending their Chinese idols... but that doesn't make me angry with Karina, it makes me angry with SM. SM's treatment of Karina has NOTHING to do with Karina, she can't control any of that. Honestly, NingNing and Giselle are my favs in Aespa, but all 4 girls are stunning and amazing and deserve all the love they get from their fans.
I've been thinking about it a lot lately and like she has so many scandals around her all the time that it doesn't even feel real, like, all those accusations feel so fabricated to me tbh
When you mentioned that they were using Karina to get investors, when I tell you I was scared, I was legit scared for her but thank God you quickly mentioned that they got autographs because I am just convinced that some of these other companies make their trainees and idols do much worse to get investors.
Omg, it warms my heart to know Karina is not only beautiful, but also so kind to her classmates. “Ms A” really did her a solid by debunking the rumors and showing how Katina protected the weak and stopped bullying as opposed to being a part of the problem. I bet that person was always looking for a way to thank Karina, and now she found it. ❤️❤️❤️
not only karina is popular, she bring the most sales on her group also, her china bar is BIG BIG just for someone who only debut less than 2 yrs. and her solo magazine sales $$$$ all these thanks to her talentSSS, personality and unique visual
Maybe in the beginning Karina was the point of attraction in the group, cuz we have to admit she's gorgeous, but as time goes on and you get to know the rest of the members and their uniqueness you know they were meant to be in this lineup. Also, Aespa is Winter, Karina, Ningning and Giselle not only "someone's name and friends" this girls are working for their name in the kpop industry. And they all shine!
I hate how whenever a member of any group gets pushed and promoted a lot more than the other members, that people go after her/him instead of being mad at the company who's actually at fault Karina is such a kind hearted person and it really shows, she doesn't deserve any of the shit she has gotten and is still getting..
I got into aespa because of karina i do love all the girls there talented and pretty af but karina to me stands out. To be fair i think the other members also get a chance to shine in their own way.
I thought Winter has been Sm's secret weapon I was shocked to know it was Karina but anyway I still believed that Winter was the secret weapon of the group based on the news I have read since their debut. And although she's the most popular among them winter as well and now I really think ningning is catching up on them and I also hope more people will love giselle she's been popular even before her debut. People change their bias once in a while except if they are like me who always sticks to one and is loyal and all. Anyway I will still love all of them, especially Karina she has always catches my attention even before their debut and after the debut winter catches my attention too but since I am a loyal person I always stick to her and just made winter as my second bias
Giselle being featured on NCT Zoo, Winter solo performance for mama 2020 and with dj raiden on smtown live, still waiting for NingNing's big performance. I think its natural for SM to promote more on the group's leader like take example Taeyong and Mark who mostly get featured for NCT promotions as well. And it's ironic to see people bashing on Karina so hard from everything she does and when SM tries to protect their artist people would labelled her as the secret weapon/sm favorite? Isnt aespa the start of all the kwangya multiverse and SM's new wave? so its kinda obvious they'd protect this group at all cost.
karina isn’t getting favored by the company AT ALL. she’s just so eye catching when she gets the bare minimum, that it looks like she gets a lot. same with jennie. bare minimum, but stan attractor.
That's up to the star. They leave a lot of the time and their careers go downhill along with everybody else. Smart ones stay with the group and do side work. Luckily for Kpop, slander is illegal in South Korea, but this is a problem worldwide, and as pointed out, agencies don't always protect their clients.
Karina is the visuals and her dance skills are amazing, indeed. But we have to notice that Ning ning and Giselle's vocals are amazing, and also Winter's push being in GOT the beat.
I love all the girls but Karina is my bias because she's such a kind girl and she sings, raps, and dances well. Oh, I guess she's gorgeous too 😍 I've never seen anyone quite as beautiful as her. I hope she'll become an actress cause I'll watch every drama she's in
Each member has their own stan/fans. You must give a legit number percentage to name a certain member is THE favourite. Some digital media just pulled out several unpopular opinion/comments/poll from some apps like TH-cam and called it news. It's not. Go do an in-depth interview or large scale questionnaire interview to get the exact data. THEN you can state that it's fact, that THIS member is THE favourite. A lie/gossip/opinion could have come up like fact when it spread around for too long. But it's not fact.
I got into aespa bcuz of karina. She is not the 4th gen IT girl with no reason ♡ so pretty and talented, karina is an eye catching without even trying.
tbh i dont think she overshadows her members, i think theyre all pretty well known aespa is seriously doing so well, and it's definetely not only bec one member
I think people over look her talents because she’s so pretty and an amazing visual so people overlook her rap and singing when they shouldn’t because she is an amazing singer and rapper
Bro….she is so pretty and so talented. She deserve to get more fans. Idk why people hate her. Furthermore, she is hardworking. Every single kpop or other countries idols are very hardworking. I never seen Karina being rude and mean these days. Stop cursing idols. Just because ur jealous, doesn’t mean that you could curse them. If you want to get famous, just do something that make you famous
I don’t like discussions like that. If you Stan a group don’t you find things you like on all of the members? In my opinion they are all great and talented.
I've realized that knetizens have a lot of jealousy towards successful girl idols, girls idols who are very loved, beautiful, and well off. Soojin from gidle being a BIG example of it. Garam now too.
I would say Soyeon and Wonyoung are more similar to Hyuna and Suzy. Karina is more of Jennie-Irene kind of idol. Popular but doesn't completely outshine her co-members.
I heard of Karina before stanning aespa but as soon as I got into it the other members stood out too so I don't think she's actually overshadowing them I'm glad she has good stage presence because the group is lacking in that a little but I'm sure they will improve
If you first look at aespa honestly you would notice Karina first because of her visual but that's just a bait😂😂 she actually lure you to her group, once you'll know other members you'll Stan or like other member just like what happened to me😂😂I find her really stunning but what became me a my is when I learn about Ningning. Although some remain her as their ult bias in the groupm
Karina is fantastic !!! She does make Aespa. Although all the members are worth something , each have there own qualities, it takes a team to be the best ....I wish them luck! SM does it again.
Why do I always have a bias for the member who gets hated on by jealous netizens the most. Karina, Wonyoung, Irene, Jennie, Mia, Bahiyyih, Heejin. My blood pressure is so high at this point.
Ok but why is it the girl's fault for the company liking her a lot? She's doing her job and her presence doesn't feel pushy... They are all very talented girls.
Some ppl don't want to understand this. And hating on her just because of that is just...so stupid!
exactly it's not her fault shes the prettiest and the most talented and the ace🙄
Its like they hate her for being the most popular its crazy….cuz karina stans are the ones who are OT4
@@seafairycookiewillcomehome1625 Stop being a akgae
Also the audacity to say they favor her for rightfully defending her. As pointed out they didn’t always do that so we should be talking about how SM finally got their shit together.
As a Karina Stan myself yes Karina is the most pushed in black mamba era but now it all end coz every girl has time to shine right now.
Their line distribution is fair , screen time distribution is fair.
Giselle get a Collab with NCT members. Ningning has showcased her singing and has a cover. Winter get to perform 3 stages and has a Collab stage with DJ raiden. Even she cover boa's peace b
No matter what support our girls Karina is the it girl of this generation.
I agree everything is balanced 👏👏👍
@@teatree3130 exactly
not about line distribution, the Koreans have more screen time, more promotions even in ads, GOT project, they push them always in the middle, amazing Saturday appearance and many many other things
@@eulalia3468 when you say it like that now I understand🥲
@@eulalia3468 " push them.in middle" karina is CENTER for a reason
Not trying to discredit Karina in any way, but her case doesn't scream MissA or 4minutes vibe. Winter is just has popular as her. If anything, Karina is the new Lisa. In terms of recognization. People who first get into Aespa already know Karina name, but after sometime they either start stanning Winter or the other girls. The same way people be stanning Jennie. Karina is the face of the group, but her popularity isn't doesn't overshadow the other members to the point of people not knowing their basic name.
I kinda agree, cause. she is really a centre and face in it’s truest sense. Like I’m not like an aespa Stan, but Karina drew me in but now I’m more drawn to ningning when I check them out. I feel like she doesn’t overshadow she’s just kinda like the lure to the group cause she is kinda magnetic. Like in black mamba she really stood out in a good way at least to me.
Karina is the member who drew me to aespa and i think most casual aespa stans also like Karina thats why her popularity is higher than other members..
Also Karina is not Lisa….she is the most biased yes but she also got other fandoms being drawn to aespa becuz of her so she is more like jennie vibe but with Lisas popularity
NO GHORL SHE IS BETTER THAN LISA LET THAN SYNK IN
@@seafairycookiewillcomehome1625 Girl stop setting Karina up. Please, don't add to the hate she has been getting.
people should stop hating on the poor girl. she is talented, can rap, dance well and lead vocal material. it is not her fault that she is more popular than the other members:(
Ikr, I honestly feel really bad for her and Wonyoung, they both are gettin crazy hate even though it's not their fault for them gettin favoritism, but they both are extremely good in terms of stage presence, and talented, Wonyoung is improving a lot since I've debut, I hope they get a lot of love from fans
Exactly 👏
Who hates them? International fans? cuz I haven't really seen any hate on Karina from domestic. Wonyoung might get some jealousy cuz Ive hit #6 in first-week album sales and got super big so fast even surpassing all the Twice records.. as long as they are loved domestically, I don't think they even care much..
actually she is not popular than other members as we thought, maybe first days yes, but now 4 members of group have their own popularity and light.
@@wonyo2563 I have seen so many knetz hating on her and aespa and calling her average looking... Wonyoung doesn't get hate in Korea but Aespa and Karina get a lot of hate there...just see their pann posts
How many times do I have to explain that Karina doesn’t overshadow her members 😭
literally all of them have their own light and popularity lmao
@@cernkoc facts! I was just thinking the same thing lol. Each member is very well known and popular.
SAY IT LOUDER.
also the fact that she genuinely cares for her members and how she said that giselle is improving a lot shows that she doesn't overshadow her and the members.
To be honest she does. I dont follow them and all i see of aespa is her (except for the scandal not long ago)
@@GLawSomnia that's where it comes when you don't ult/stan them. you should know your place as a newbie of aespa or don't follow them. Try exploring more of AESPA
The thing is Karina isn't just the visual like in some kpop groups, she's an all rounder so she stands out even more. But, if you dont know about Aespa, she honestly doesn't overshadow the other members once you get into them. It didn't take long for me to recognize Winter, Ningning, and Giselle when I got into Aespa. I mean Winter (in terms of popularity) is kinda the same with Karina.
winter is all rounder either
Not gonna lie, I am not familiar with AESPA at all and the only name I knew before watching this video was Winter ^^
agreed. even somehow, I think Winter is the most popular member especially among male fans though. Imo she fits all the criterias for "the perfect girlfriend" according to Korean beauty standard rather than Karina
@Annie💗 so what? im trying to explain true things to people
@Annie💗 oh another hardcore kpop brat
Karina wasn't really shoved into our faces, it's just natural to be drawn to her since she has really recognizable features. But in my case, what caught my eye is Ningning during the Next Level era.
@Mr. Empty welp that's subjective. But I do think it's their best remake.
Karina is my girl. I never stan anyone as much as her. She’s just so special to me. She’s talented, beautiful and kind. I love her so much and I hope she will go far with her careers.
You said it all, it pains me to see her getting so much hate for just being an ace istg ppl on the internet are psychos
@Mr. Empty i said she’s kind because i can see how she treats people around her, and how loved she is by her members and staffs. Ofc nobody can be sure if someone really kind, not even with people that you meet everyday, but i said that because that’s what i saw from her ever since she’s debut until now
i don't care what people say about karina, she's still the best girl I ever seen, they just envy her
They all have their own talents that makes them stand out
EXACTLY
The funny thing is Karina stans are the most OT4 stans in Aespa
and almost winter stans keep hating on her. i saw a lot
I can't speak for all Karina stans, but this statement is true in my case! Karina biased, but proud ot4 stan.
@@Aniaro01 im a ot3 stan ,i dont stan Winter like her fans just keep hating my bias like a lot. but i dont hate her though i just dont stan her, her fans is toxic like going to karina videos or fancams just to hate.
This!
@@foodiepotato74 yes i see that alot too…its actually annoying asf
Reminds me of Nct's Taeyong situation people used to call him SM's fav and the most pushed member(they still call him tho) and look at him now being one of the most talented k-pop idol out there who can sing, dance, rap, write, produce, compose, choreograph and direct. He has established himself as an artist now.
And Karina attracts more attention and people to Aespa but that doesn't means she is most pushed and Sm's fav it's not her fault people are paying much attention to her and it's too early to predict that the group will end up like some other disbanded group coz all are 4 members in Aespa are talented and are recognised for their talent and skills. They all are getting equal opportunities so let's be positive about them.
But I do think in nct’s case taeyong was definitely one of the most promoted members. I can see why since he’s multi talented. The aespa girls are definitely getting more equal opportunities
Agreed
Well I’m just glad SM is starting to push the others in NCT too. Did you hear about Yuta starting to film for a Japanese movie? And Kun’s NCT Lab? Also Shotaro and Yuta got to be in a magazine? And Taeyong and Yuta got to be in a magazine too? And Doyoung’s about to be in a new drama?? I’m excited about all of these!!! I’m pretty sure the same will happen to Aespa
@@ohdudehesflirting Nct members are getting the work they deserve
@@pr8345 yess👏
Karina is genuinely kind. Maybe even a little overwhelmed with all this succes. She's down to earth and doesn't Let succes go to her head. I think she's amazing.
I just wanna say one thing that...Some People hate something that stands out they hate people who stand out naturally without even trying. we all know Karina is a all in one she can sing,rap,dance and has outstanding visuals it's was obvious she would be most biased but it's not her fault why is she getting hated because she is most biased y'all acting like as if she forced people to only like her like dude stop maybe many people liked her vocals,dance etc it's their own wish thats why they stanned her stop hating her she has emotions to omg.about bullying and the mean texts how did people believe it so easily like dude you don't even know her personally you only know her as a idol stay in your limits you don't even have proff and use the brain which may not exist. There is something called lying or Photoshop You guys don't even have proper evidence that she was the one bullying like did u see her doing it no right then u don't have the rights to hate or bully her learn something called respect and staying in your limits.(the bullying thing I am saying to haters not everyone :) )
I agree, but isn't Winter the most biased now?
@@multifan6679 I honestly don't know :(( I guess yes since savage era winters popularity has grown a lot...I just told about the debut days and before debut :)
I think Ningning is the most biased within the fandom and Karina is more know outside the fandom
@@cuziamnotshinenotshinenotme715 winter is the most biased Karina is the most popular member
@@strawberryruiyang1792 ohhh I did not know thank you for telling :D
Don’t sleep on NingNing she has qualities that standout on her own. Like she was the star at Coachella imo. In fact she’s always been noticeable like the red hair next level look was as iconic as anything in Aespa
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Same same! Her look is so strong and fluffy at the same time!
ok but this video is about karina not ningning
@@etheryjane so what
100% agree
Karina is that girl…and her popularity is insane….but i feel like becuz she is so popular other stans have something against her….Karina is nice and i hope Everyone seees that
@hello no she didnt…the reason those rumours where chosen to be made was becuz of her popularity💀if she wasnt «that girl» nobody would be jelouse and made thos rumours
@hello nahh she's already popular even before they debuted 😂
@hello she was popular so they made rumors out of jealousy No one's gonna make rumors for nugu trainee girl lol
@@hamsa2903 exactly
Karina's presence doesn't feel pushy, its not her fault being so beautifull and talented, for me I like her the most bcs of her vocals, dance skills, her sweet personality, her charisma (she is an eye catching what can I do?), I feel like she is the most kind member in aespa (no hate, I love them all OT4) that's why karina is so popular.. by the way all of them are popular. We love them all. Aespa stan ❤
Karina's beauty is pushy. It just overwhelms you. In a good way.
i agree with the talent but the parasocial relationship beating your ass.
I was surprised when I started watching behind-the-scenes and variety clips, she has a cute and soft side that really comes out, and it contrasts so much with her sharp presence on stage. It's really cute. Winter has such a cute face but is way more "fierce" in her off-stage persona than Karina (and even then has an aegyo side that keeps coming out lol).
@@alexia3552 That's interesting because to me Winter has an extremely cute personality. I don't see her as being fierce at all.
I dont really listen to Aespa but I really like Karina. I love her dancing style and vocals and she's super pretty. Definitely stood out to me and has this unspoken charisma. I even feel tempted to buy makeup she models for. Alot of eyes were already on her even if aespa's management didn't push her out more
Karina is doing her job and y’all are just jealous because she’s getting more popular day by day. Btw she was in taemins “want” not “move”
Not a big fan of their music because I don't vibe with it much, but I am starting to like Karina and Ningning more and more
Me too
No.
@@TheOfficialBLUEHURB Not the Kacchi pf 😂
@@TheOfficialBLUEHURB shut up🤪
Me too I love the girls
Hyuna WAS the impetus for 4 min. She was the first member and before it had a name it was called the “Hyuna group”. Being a former Wonder Girl, she was the selling point from the start.
at the end of the day it was Cube who f'd up the group. They were doing well as a group but Cube just kept on pushing Hyuna to a point where it created a rift between the other members and the fans.
Heard she has at least 32 fancams, over 1Million views every time she lifts a vinger. Imagine the tremendous pressure that comes along with such popularity. Amazing beauty and popularity come with a price. That does not stop this amazing girl from being a trusted loyal member of AESPA, the GROUP we all love
I didn't know it's 32 now
I'm one of the mys that stream Karina fancams more than the girls MV ahaha
@@paul-bl2bp appreciate your streaming. Read in a post about 28 fancams and in a comment on it about it being 32 fancams now
@@rheniumzandor9938 update it's 34 now
it's 34
sm’s secret weapon is actually winter! that’s why they never revealed her to the public until aespa’s debut with black mamba :/
Yeah you right
and these nitizens never represent her as one
I mean while i think winter is a really good idol…i dont agree
Why they all have their own aura people have to stop comparing them and karina never going to take any spot alone
I love winter but I wonder why karina is not the ‘secret weapon’. She’s the all rounder of the group and the one that tends to grab people’s attention
I find it strange when I hear about the whole Karina thing. Whenever I watch Aespa's MV's, I'm floored by Ningning and Winter. They're the two that just stun me with their vocals. I think the hate against Karina is sad. Poor girl must be going through a lot.
Most pushed members per era
Black Mamba = Karina
Forever = Giselle
Next level = Ningning
Savage = Winter
NingNing and winter should definitely need to switch up 😂 next level the only vocal show off part only give to winter almost made new netizen think she is main vocal 😹then after savage the couple high note they both got evenly but the couple killing part and the most extremely talented hight note it’s give to Ning Ning
Karina may be The most popular member, but recently I’ve seen a lot of support and love for the other members equally. this situation has gotten better and is a bit different than ive’s, in my opinion
Karina is not MOST popular member, i dont understand why non asian fan think Karina is most popular actually... i love Karina but in asia all of them are popular there is no "MOST".
@@cernkoc yes but Karina has double the popularity of other members in china
@@hamsa2903 in china ...do you really believe DHSHDHSHXHSHF I CAME FROM CHINA LIKE 1 YEARS AGO and im totaly sure ninging is the most popular in China. Like she is chinese pls you are so cringe
@@cernkoc are u ok…first of all i dont care if u where in china….second of all Karina has the biggest chinabar in 4th gen lmao….and its not close…..
@@hamsa2903 yea yea im sure LMAO go therapy and leave people alone sick freak
This video does not make any sense,Karina WAS the most popular during their debut era!! NOT ANYMORE..
Almost all members are equally popular and Winter is in the same league as Karina i believe!
They literally top brand rankings almost every time!!
And SM is not biased towards her at all..almost everything is fair in Aespa ranging from line distribution to screentime to solo projects for each members!!
LITERALLY. this video is full of wrong things and very manipulating, nobody dont even hate Karina or think she is most popular, all of them have their own p opularity. in China Ninging, in japan Giselle is popular. this video literally trash
Stop hating on the poor girl, it isn't her fault being more popular than other members, karina is an eye catching what can we do? She has a great visual and body, a great dancer, a good rapper, lead vocalist material...she is so humble (yeah I noticed that she was the only member reacting to other idols) no hate to the other members I like them all and my bias is giselle..anyway stop hating on karina y'all
all of them are eye catching... and Karina is not lead vocalist lmao... i love Karina but please speak true things
@@cernkoc she said lead vocalist material.. lol
@@cakchester we know brat lol. before karina, ning and win are literal lead vocalist material
@@cernkoc karina IS main vocalist material. this fact has nothing to do with winter or ning x2. if karina was in another group, she would definitely have a vocal position. karina is the ace, center & overall face of aespa. cry about it ❤️
@@madisonk5240 LMAOOO little kid. karina and winter literally my bias LOL.
you should learn meaning of ACE first, its not easy as you thought lmao, if karina wants to be ACE she should WRITE their own songs, manage some projects etc.. you literally dont even know what is ACE. and second thing, she is not in another group, and THIS group have more talented vocals than karina, its truth. SHE IS PRETTY, AND TALENTED, but not "MORE" than the other members. now cry about it^^
Karina's beauty and talent is shining. She is an amazing idol and will be a great star in her own right. Ppl hate how popular she is. Success breeds so much envy
Honestly, I think this video is not helping Karina at all, she is not pushed much more than the other members, but the video made it seem like it. Also all Aespa members have a considerable amount of Stans, there are some members more popular than others but not by much
So true
Shes not pushed its just annoying how ppl are mad that she is more popular
Hate this channel honestly. I've always talked about how toxic their content is( most of the time)
@@hamsa2903 she is not MORE popular than other groups stop saying same sht in every comment dude. i dont understand why this non asian fans think Karina is most popular in group Lmao, literally all of them are popular and have their own popularity, in China Ninging is popular in Japan giselle is popular ALL of them are most popular band in Asia.
@@cernkoc what are u talking about😂😂 even non fans know that….Karina has double the popularity in china…and winter is the most popular in japan but not by alot….stop lying to urself
Im just happy that karina already have a loyal fanbase who is willing to spend money on her.
Period ❤❤❤❤👏👏👏👏
Honestly i don't know where people got this "SM pushes Karina more" when from what i've seen, neither of the members is pushed at all, all of them got their time to shine either through special stages or solo gigs, might be less for NingSelle but overall i haven't seen a big favour to Karina at all....Like that person said, she's the center of the group, so of course we'll see her standing at the front, being on the center or seeing her face everywhere, that's her position, but all the members have got their time to shine too.
So the Jennie, CL and Hyuna thing all over again, got it....
Basically
@@hq7239 well Jennie was made to stand out by the agency and it made her the It girl of YG ...
I wouldn’t really compare it to cl or hyuna since with them the other members of the group were definitely way less popular. But with bp and aespa it’s a bit different since despite some members being pushed more, all girls have quite a lot of popularity
@@noexonolife65 Just with Hyuna the other members where considerably less popular you mean. Hyuna wasn't even my bias in 4Minute, but Hyuna was definitely a main character in everything involving the group while everyone else was kind of left behind by CUBE.
In other hand, when it comes to 2NE1, Park Bom was never underestimated for having the best singing voice there; Dara wasn't the main focus on their songs, but she is an actress, considered the prettiest members and had her own solid fantasy since forever. Minzy, despite being an outstanding dancer was the member that was more left behind, was not even a hidden thing all her members had solo music and activities beside her. But is not like CL stole their spotlight, she was the rapper and for sure the most well known name outside of Korea, but not the center of everything like Hyuna.
One thing is karina would never say anything bad to sm groups. She's honestly the ultimate SM STANS. She knows a lot of birthdays of sm artists and many facts about sm(like SM The Ballad). And about her attitude, honestly she is the angel-like member of the group
This is going to be really long but I have a lot of thoughts about this so I thought I'd leave a comment. I'm a predebut aespa fan and Karina is my ultimate bias now. She doesn't get treated as good as it may seem from outside the fandom, especially her own subfandom.
- SM stood up for her once they haven't been protecting her (nor any of the members) from the nasty comments since. Even the son of a government official was exposed for saying things about her but nothing was done to ensure her wellbeing.
- They often don't post Karina's pictures on social media, or post them and delete them later without giving a reason while keepnig the other member's posts up.
- Since debut, two of her birthdays passed and while the other members got contents like special birthday videos posted to TH-cam and Twitter, Karina got a short video on an Instagram story last year, and nothing this year. She asked if she could hold a birthday event (like a livestream) but she revealed on Bubble that the company told her no.
- While the other members are allowed to experiment with hairstyles and styling, she's been restricted to the exact same hairstyle for the past 2 years now. Even when she changed her hairstyle during the short break they took this year, SM dyed her hair back to a dark color, straightened it and added extensions to make it look exactly as it was before.
Also, I don't think aespa will be anything like 4minute. Karina cares so much about her members, there's one clip that really stuck with me that proves it. During their appearance on Knowing Bros, they'd give small individual talent showcases as a segment on the show where all 4 of them prepared a little performance. During Ningning's vocal performance, Karina was sitting behind her and she stood up to walk the side. You can hear one of the hosts quietly asking her why, and her replying that people should focus on Ningning only so she didn't want to be in frame.
She's also always affectionate with the other girls, both times they went to an airport she'd be making sure everyone is alright when the crowd got too close to them. Ningning also mentioned on a radio show that since she's a foreigner, she needed a lot of help to adjust to life in Korea and Karina is someone she's thankful for because she helps her a lot. Both Winter and Giselle also often mention Karina's kindness especially whenever they write letters to each other as part of a variety show or special event.
Karina is a wonderful and sweet girl, she doesn't only shower her fans with love and care but her members and everyone around her in her life. Countless stories about her childhood are out there, people always talk about how nice and thoughtful she is, and share small endearing details about how she treats others even if she's not personally close to them. She deserves absolutely none of the hate she's ever gotten.
I really hope as aespa grows our fandom will too, so one day our love astronomically outweighs the hate. At this point they still see it, and we know because they tell MYs. They talked about it as recently as after the Coachella performance. If you're not a fan of aespa, I hope you can find it in you not to be so harsh on them. They debuted during a pandemic, they don't have much experience being an idol yet, but they're working hard and they're all really kind and loving people. Karina being the leader of such a wonderful group makes so much sense because they all take after her in some ways. She's not much older than the other members but it feels like she's really mature for her age, she's self-aware but uses the position she's in to spread kindness and love every single day, she deserves the same treatment.
About the hair thingy… I believe she mentioned that she personally likes having long hair and didn’t like it when she had it short during predebut. All the ironing definitely destroyed her hair so she had to cut it to mid length recently but I don’t think SM’s particularly restricting her about it.
Karina's beauty is like her seniors it's timeless
@@alex.7937 what are u talking about
@@hamsa2903 i missunderstood the comment
Plastic surgery though
@@noriawawa9073 so? What's wrong with a fixed beauty? Hm?
karina looks so plastic what are you smoking, she is nothing next to taeyeon, yoona, irene or krystal
Karina may be the most popular member but she doesn't overshadow her other members. The other members also have lots of fans, Karina just has more. When aespa debuted, Karina really stood out to me, her visual is striking and her appearance is charismatic. She's the only one who stood out in Black Mamba era for me. But after that, all the other members stood out as well. I think Karina and Winter pretty much are on the same level of popularity rn. Ningning and Giselle are popular as well, and they're also mentioned a lot in comment sections. Bashers should stop hating on her just because she's the most popular. She's not my bias (Winter is my bias) but she's really captivating on stage and has a warm personality off-stage and she's also very talented plus her visual is unreal that's why she's really popular.
looking at Aespa actual I really can’t choose looking at their talent,visuals and potential all of them are IT GIRL material!!
AESPA IT GIRLS!! IT GIRL GROUP OF 4th GEN!!♥️
For real. They all look like the main character on their own but that did not make it seem like weird or uncomfortable to see them together as a group with a leader at the same time. I think they all are the it girls.
Karina is it girl and honestly I feel like they’re pushing winter more than Karina but Karina stands out because she is an ace and jealous people are hating on her for no good reason
agree
Totaly AGREE
I agree
Now why you lying winter is not pushed at all
@@bismanaz7436 she is in fact pushed rn, if you watch aespa videos on youtube, especially the remastering project, the zoom in mostly on Winter. She definitely got different oustanding outfits and hairstyles, even in Coachella too. She also has the most media updates in aespa sns. If you are not in my fandom, you won’t realize it because most of non stans keeps seeing Karina at the center, but Winter is indeed the most pushed member currently.
A small correction btw, Karina's appearance was on Taemin's "Want" mv and not "Move".
Even Ningning said that she thought Karina to be snobby at first, but she was proved wrong. Karina was described as a soft and caring person. I don't think she's the most pushed member too, Ningning and Giselle were the members who made me stan aespa before they debuted. Haters should know their limits too
She’s the center. It’s literally her job.
I once had a friend who hated any female idol who was very beautiful because they made her feel ugly. She especially hated beautiful female idols if they were in the same company as her male biases bc she couldn’t handle the fact that they would interact. If her bias ever had a dating rumor, she hated that female to death. She was one of those people. Karina, with her striking good looks, talent, and connections to many popular idols, seems like a target for those type of people, unfortunately.
I am not really an ÆSPA fan (I don’t really enjoy their songs), but Karina seems so sweet from the videos I saw of her. Even I don’t believe she could ever be so mean! She is so cute and sweet. I just don’t understand how people could hate her. 😕
The song is actually taemin's "want"
I dont understand why people dig in every idol past life they have nothing to do and its bcz they all jeolous of her success i hope people stope hating on every k pop idols and sm have to take legal action its really bad situation
The difference with 4minute and aespa is the members all shine whereas in 4minute they didn’t get that. Like look at winter she was given a whole performance as a reveal to aespa. Ning Ning’s vocals are just crazy as hell and vocally she’s the most loved. Giselle literally shines when she sings or raps like that girl is gorgeous she even is multi talented and can speak English meaning she’ll represent the group more internationally giving her spotlight. Karina may be the all rounder but all the members shine meaning she won’t overshadow them in worth.
She doesn’t have a dominating or pushy presence like Won Young. She’s naturally just very eye catching
If you want to appreciate your bias it's okay. But you don't have to drag other members to praise your bias that was cheep move.
"Dominating and pushy" wow you sound so bitter ngl
Don't bring me girl in this appreciate your bias without bringing down others
Wonyoung was tamed in Love Dive. We saw Yujin get the most atenttion.
Karina is naturally eye catching like omg❤️
Karina is so pretty and so talented. She deserves all the love she gets. Hope that doesn't affect the love the other members receives. Aespa deserves the whole world after the hate they got.
im not a my, nor I know much about aespa but from what I've seen, Karina was born to be an idol and what's scary is that she's not even close to her full potential and she's already that good
I doubt it, sm does favouritism and it's no surprise, but i don't think they'll go far like cube ent and only push karina... Aespa is a very highly invested group of sm's and only pushing one member sounds a little icky... And other members fading, I don't think because winter and ningning are one of the most famous 4th gen vocalist and giselle being one of the top female rappers.. Aespa overall is very talented.. Honestly, it depends upon mys whether they choose to support all the members or start becoming solo stans.
Karina was the key in BlackMamba for understand the concept and universe for Aespa, so that’s why SM pushed her a lot in their debut era, but now every member shine . But is all about their story and concept
you said this well thankQ.
in my pov winter is more likely is sm's secret weapon ... but i stan all aespa members equally
winter is the ‘secret weapon’ for the aespa teaser video all she did was smile n pose so when she debuted everyone was amazed bc they didnt think she could sing, she was also trained by a very famous person too so i dont get where this person got their sources
She was definitely the most pushed memebr during their debut days (closely followed by Winter) but that just isn't the case anymore. People need to stop with this narrative, already
i feel like all aespa members shine and the company is doing a great job in promoting them. karina's face is just more easily remembered than the others. if you're just a little bit into their music, you would definitely notice every member
Karina was a model before debut
This video didn't age well, lol. All four members are getting their own shine at this point. It was Winter and Giselle who's actually been trending since the release of "Spicy".
I really don’t think she has the time or cares enough to send hateful text messages on other Koop groups or be rude to industry people on set. She looks hard working and like she just wants to get the job done and move on. She doesn’t strike me as a problematic girl. She’s too smart for that.
You are right all thise allegations were proven wrong..
I wish SM would've kept that same energy when it came to our poor boy Lucas 😒 Same with NingNing, but it's clear they care less about defending their Chinese idols... but that doesn't make me angry with Karina, it makes me angry with SM.
SM's treatment of Karina has NOTHING to do with Karina, she can't control any of that.
Honestly, NingNing and Giselle are my favs in Aespa, but all 4 girls are stunning and amazing and deserve all the love they get from their fans.
I've been thinking about it a lot lately and like she has so many scandals around her all the time that it doesn't even feel real, like, all those accusations feel so fabricated to me tbh
When you mentioned that they were using Karina to get investors, when I tell you I was scared, I was legit scared for her but thank God you quickly mentioned that they got autographs because I am just convinced that some of these other companies make their trainees and idols do much worse to get investors.
Omg same u never know tho….i swear i will litterly k*ll Sm if i ever hear something
Omg, it warms my heart to know Karina is not only beautiful, but also so kind to her classmates. “Ms A” really did her a solid by debunking the rumors and showing how Katina protected the weak and stopped bullying as opposed to being a part of the problem. I bet that person was always looking for a way to thank Karina, and now she found it. ❤️❤️❤️
not only karina is popular, she bring the most sales on her group also, her china bar is BIG BIG just for someone who only debut less than 2 yrs. and her solo magazine sales $$$$
all these thanks to her talentSSS, personality and unique visual
Maybe in the beginning Karina was the point of attraction in the group, cuz we have to admit she's gorgeous, but as time goes on and you get to know the rest of the members and their uniqueness you know they were meant to be in this lineup. Also, Aespa is Winter, Karina, Ningning and Giselle not only "someone's name and friends" this girls are working for their name in the kpop industry.
And they all shine!
well we cant deny that Karina is the best example of perfect figure in kpop. visuals, body stats, singing, rap, aura 🤷♂
I hate how whenever a member of any group gets pushed and promoted a lot more than the other members, that people go after her/him instead of being mad at the company who's actually at fault
Karina is such a kind hearted person and it really shows, she doesn't deserve any of the shit she has gotten and is still getting..
I got into aespa because of karina i do love all the girls there talented and pretty af but karina to me stands out. To be fair i think the other members also get a chance to shine in their own way.
I thought Winter has been Sm's secret weapon I was shocked to know it was Karina but anyway I still believed that Winter was the secret weapon of the group based on the news I have read since their debut. And although she's the most popular among them winter as well and now I really think ningning is catching up on them and I also hope more people will love giselle she's been popular even before her debut. People change their bias once in a while except if they are like me who always sticks to one and is loyal and all.
Anyway I will still love all of them, especially Karina she has always catches my attention even before their debut and after the debut winter catches my attention too but since I am a loyal person I always stick to her and just made winter as my second bias
Giselle being featured on NCT Zoo, Winter solo performance for mama 2020 and with dj raiden on smtown live, still waiting for NingNing's big performance. I think its natural for SM to promote more on the group's leader like take example Taeyong and Mark who mostly get featured for NCT promotions as well. And it's ironic to see people bashing on Karina so hard from everything she does and when SM tries to protect their artist people would labelled her as the secret weapon/sm favorite? Isnt aespa the start of all the kwangya multiverse and SM's new wave? so its kinda obvious they'd protect this group at all cost.
Exactly 👏
peoples get mad when companies make idols apologize for something they didnt even do but they also get mad for companies defending their idols?
Karina was also my favorite when they made their debut. But ever since dreams come true I liked Winter.
karina isn’t getting favored by the company AT ALL. she’s just so eye catching when she gets the bare minimum, that it looks like she gets a lot. same with jennie. bare minimum, but stan attractor.
Loooool definitely not comparable to 4minute/Hyuna's situation
That's up to the star. They leave a lot of the time and their careers go downhill along with everybody else. Smart ones stay with the group and do side work. Luckily for Kpop, slander is illegal in South Korea, but this is a problem worldwide, and as pointed out, agencies don't always protect their clients.
Karina is the visuals and her dance skills are amazing, indeed. But we have to notice that Ning ning and Giselle's vocals are amazing, and also Winter's push being in GOT the beat.
Winter's vocals and dance skills are amazing
I love all the girls but Karina is my bias because she's such a kind girl and she sings, raps, and dances well. Oh, I guess she's gorgeous too 😍 I've never seen anyone quite as beautiful as her. I hope she'll become an actress cause I'll watch every drama she's in
karina does not overshadow anyone omg💀
they’re all popular yall acting like winter giselle & ningning fucking flops
Each member has their own stan/fans.
You must give a legit number percentage to name a certain member is THE favourite.
Some digital media just pulled out several unpopular opinion/comments/poll from some apps like TH-cam and called it news. It's not.
Go do an in-depth interview or large scale questionnaire interview to get the exact data.
THEN you can state that it's fact, that THIS member is THE favourite.
A lie/gossip/opinion could have come up like fact when it spread around for too long. But it's not fact.
How many IT girls are there in 4th Gen??? Wonyoung... Karina... Who else???
The fact that I noticed giselle first, then ninging, wonter then karina is something… She is definintly not overshadowing anybody
I got into aespa bcuz of karina. She is not the 4th gen IT girl with no reason ♡ so pretty and talented, karina is an eye catching without even trying.
I love karina sm, she is talented, pretty and a sweetheart. I hate how ppl hating on her on something she doesn't have any control of.
Rina is literally such a good leader, she puts the members first and wants everyone to be happy!
tbh i dont think she overshadows her members, i think theyre all pretty well known
aespa is seriously doing so well, and it's definetely not only bec one member
I think people over look her talents because she’s so pretty and an amazing visual so people overlook her rap and singing when they shouldn’t because she is an amazing singer and rapper
Bro….she is so pretty and so talented. She deserve to get more fans. Idk why people hate her. Furthermore, she is hardworking. Every single kpop or other countries idols are very hardworking. I never seen Karina being rude and mean these days. Stop cursing idols. Just because ur jealous, doesn’t mean that you could curse them. If you want to get famous, just do something that make you famous
Jennie 🤝 Wonyoung 🤝 Karina 🤝 Getting hate for no reason
I don’t like discussions like that. If you Stan a group don’t you find things you like on all of the members? In my opinion they are all great and talented.
The simple reason is Karina is the daughter of someone important in SM. Thats why she is treated like White horse princess.
who is that someone important in SM? can tell me who? and source of info?
Karina doesn't overshadow her Group like all of them shined
Winter and Karina are the most pushed members and i can see why people want Giselle and Ningning to get more recognison but hate is never the answer
I can see that Ningning is always mentioned when people talk about the best vocalists of the 4th gen, so I don't think she is being overlooked.
I dont think this is true….giselle and ningning are also pushed just as much is just that ppl choose their bias
@@hamsa2903 I agree, Giselle got the ZOO collab which for me made her more prominent.
Haha they almost all have equal level of Fame. No one is being pushed
I've realized that knetizens have a lot of jealousy towards successful girl idols, girls idols who are very loved, beautiful, and well off. Soojin from gidle being a BIG example of it. Garam now too.
Mhm. But kpop fans as a whole need grow up because some international fans are just as chaotic and jealous for no reason.
8:24 lmao you talked about IVE but showed clips from Kep1er's Wadada
I would say Soyeon and Wonyoung are more similar to Hyuna and Suzy.
Karina is more of Jennie-Irene kind of idol. Popular but doesn't completely outshine her co-members.
This is not even close to the Wonyoung situation,cuz the favouritism with IVE was extremely visible!!
who cares its fake
I'll name some of the secret weapons for an example : SM: Karina JYP: Yeji YG: Jennie
I heard of Karina before stanning aespa but as soon as I got into it the other members stood out too so I don't think she's actually overshadowing them
I'm glad she has good stage presence because the group is lacking in that a little but I'm sure they will improve
If you first look at aespa honestly you would notice Karina first because of her visual but that's just a bait😂😂 she actually lure you to her group, once you'll know other members you'll Stan or like other member just like what happened to me😂😂I find her really stunning but what became me a my is when I learn about Ningning. Although some remain her as their ult bias in the groupm
Karina is fantastic !!! She does make Aespa. Although all the members are worth something , each have there own qualities, it takes a team to be the best ....I wish them luck! SM does it again.
Why do I always have a bias for the member who gets hated on by jealous netizens the most. Karina, Wonyoung, Irene, Jennie, Mia, Bahiyyih, Heejin. My blood pressure is so high at this point.
SAMEEEE
i love hiyyih
Next Level was the first song I liked by Aesop. All the members are talented and gorgeous but Winter always stood out the most for me.
aesop hahhaa. i like that brand tho.
She's gorgeous talented and kind. And the other members are almost on par with her popularity