@Evi1M4chine no, the point is that after the war, people from Palestine were taken from their homes, placed elsewhere and told "your home belongs to Israel now, because we, the almighty USA, who know *nothing* about this land, its culture and people, but need to export our 'democracy', have decided so; now off you pop".
@@BetaDottore That's flat out wrong. Palestinians were relocated by the Allies as a punishment because they sided with the Nazis during WW2. Look it up.
@@Tantalus010 "Violence doesn't end violence. It extends it". Two wrongs don't make things right. Separating Germany after the war was an act of violence. "Relocating" Palestinians was an act of violence. And look how well it ended up.
Sometimes war is necessary, but only after literally all other means have failed. This is the message of the Doctor... before you fire that first shot in anger, sit down and talk. If war is preventable, by all means prevent it.
@@christianalanwilson434 I think the point the doctor makes here is that war is never the answer. Because the wheels keep turning. The next enemy of your ideal world will always appear.
@@tom4465, and the worst part is that it perpetuates its own self. Of course, that doesn't include those who seek war for their own selfish reasons and are gladly willing to send others to war and die for their own power. And sometimes it is hard to talk to someone who will not talk with you, either because they are insane or just too emotionally torn.
Edit: Can y'all stop pestering me about a 4 years old discussion? I've been shadowbanned from commenting on this channel so I'm not even given a fair chance to respond at this point. At the very least, if you're going to continue pestering me, do it in a novel manner. With my current hindsight, I can see that my argumentation did look rather ridiculous and whiny - though even now I maintain that the reasoning itself was perfectly sound and that none of my detractors made any serious attempt to engage with it. Still, knowing how the internet works, it is probably the whininess that is being reacted to. Hence, in the interest of avoiding hypocrisy, I implore you to at least pester me in amusing ways, instead of doing what amounts to whining about my whining. Thank you in advance. @@thelittleagustus.2292 Well his response clearly showed he doesn't understand. The only reason she couldn't completely wreck him in that exchange is because she's a blatant straw man.
@@CorneliusHDybdahl he fought in the greatest war in the universe, stretching across time and space, and you think he doesn't understand what is like to be in a war?
@@longps9528 Remember he is a fictional character and he can only understand what his writers understand. They have not fought in the greatest war in the universe. Setting that aside, you are putting words in my mouth. I am simply saying he does not understand the plight nor the motivation of the Zygons.
Every time he gets to "...and when I close my eyes!..." and his voice breaks I'm shattered. Either Capaldi is a superb actor, or he's experienced some real pain in his life because that is what that emotion sounds like.
@@marknorth8904 that's kind of my thinking. I mean no doubt he's a phenomenal actor, but the way he portrays that level of pain makes me think he's recalling an experience, not just acting it out.
@@daveedmundstown6372 and are. He can't change it, but the time war, by definition is still happening, every moment of every day of his life, there is still a time war, in his past, but in everyone else's present.
@@reganator5000 That's the horrible thing about a time war. Any war that could possibly exist as a truly temporal war, has always existed and will always exist. Temporal defense must be perfect and unbroken throughout the path of time, or it and its belligerents never happened at all. If victory, negotiated peace or even mutual obliteration were possibilities the war would be retconned out of existence before it ever started, as would all but one of its groups of belligerents.. who knows how many ambitious timefaring species the Time Lords of Gallifrey victoriously never fought.
And yet they’ve kept the world secure since 1945 Look at the stats in war death after the invention of the bomb. Nukes save lives. It’s just plain. It’s counter intuitive but it’s incontrovertible.
jimmy2k4o they have kept the world safe by keeping the world afraid. No one wants to set one off because then everyone sets theirs off. And what if a single group doesn’t care? What then? Our “world security” systems are all set off and now there is hardly a world left to secure. Its crazy you would even mention something like this in a video thats all about putting down the fucking weapons and just talking.
Its so refreshing to see the "hero" actually talk down the "villain" into making the right choice. You really don't see that done anymore, and especially not in a clever way like this. Fantastic writing.
That's because The Doctor has accepted, after many long years fighting against it and denying it, that he isn't the hero. He's the villain. Like he tells Bonnie, "no one else will ever have to feel this pain. Not on my watch." He tries so desperately hard to give people a chance to change. It's almost the only thing he cares about. It's his selfish way of feeling better about what he has done. He has a really deep need to stop others from screwing up the way he did. The Doctor has some pretty big issues he's working through.
I think the only reason why people don't like Capaldis Doctor is because they were so used to a young man who was the Doctor. When it was revealed that Peter would be portraying the Doctor I was excited because I think older actors capture the part better but I guess I'm the minority
I like Capaldi as the Doctor I was just put off by season 8's atrocious writing that didn't suit his new Doctor, Season 9 was a vast improvement but it still didn't capture me but after Heaven Sent, I am so ready to give him a proper shot.
What I love about this speech is that The Doctor isn’t completely confident while speaking. He’s stuttery, scared he won’t convince anyone, he’s making things up as he goes along. This doesn’t feel like something scripted. It feels like we actually watched THE Twelfth Doctor try and succeed to stop a war.
I’m just gonna say it: this speech is probably one of the best in the show. This isn’t just Peter Capaldi’s Doctor, but ALL the Doctors. I see them all here at some point, and that’s why this speech is amazing.
It's hard for me to hear this speech and remember that this isn't real. That the Time War didn't happen (yet...just in case). That's how amazingly it was delivered. That's how great of an actor Mr. Capaldi is. I can feel the pain he's speaking.
1-Oh, will you? Well, maybe, maybe you will win! But nobody wins for long. The wheel just keeps turning. 2-Because I want to get you to see, and I'm almost there! / So, come on. Break the cycle. 3-No, it's not a game, and I mean that most sincerely. 4-Listen to me. Listen, I just, I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind. 5-You're all the same. You know that? Look at me, I'm unforgivable. Well, here's the unforeseeable. I forgive you. After all you've done, I forgive you. 6-I don't understand? Me? Of course I understand. I mean, do you call this a war? This funny little thing? This is not a war! 7-So, let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers. How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one? 8-??? War-When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn! How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! 9-Then you will die stupid. Alternatively, you could step away from that box, you can walk right out of that door and you could stand your revolution down. 10-And do you know what you do with all that pain? Shall I tell you where you put it? You hold it tight till it burns your hand, and you say this. No one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will have to feel this pain. Not on my watch! 11-And we're off! Fingers on buzzers! Are you feeling lucky? Are you ready to play the game? Who's going to be quickest? Who's going to be luckiest? best interpretation i got of what line came from what doctor - it's definitely not perfect and i had to edit some lines, but i can at least hear all these lines in these doctors' voices
This scene wasn't scripted. Jenna Coleman really just brought a nuke to the set and Peter Capaldi was desperately trying to talk her out of it while playing it off like a DW episode. What a talented actor! 😊
Is that actually true, cause if It is, this is one of the best speeches ever in doctor who no matter who played the doctor, I still love this as one of peter cappaldi's speeches and is so true
Capaldi’s performance here is legendary, but spare a thought for Jenna, too. Her reactions are integral to making it work as well as it does. She’s superb.
@@symbolitical4158 So in other words, you could also replace those other actresses with Jenna and you wouldn't notice. Thanks for complimenting her talent!
That moment when he turns around and his voice cracks after screaming "and when I close my eyes-!" That is the part that tears at me. That is a nigh-impeccable moment for Capaldi. He portrays a man who has seen horrors beyond recounting to the point where it nearly breaks him to even mention them. There's not many moments in film or TV where I feel a real connection with the people on the screen to the point where I experience genuine emotion for them, but this is one of those moments. It was real, it wasn't forced, and it cut like a knife.
I always point this out to everyone and how he tries to make it good at first but when they ask him why he did this he finally gets more serious and it just portrays how powerful the doctor feels about saving people There’s also the voice crack in the “I forgive you!”
Not just horrors he has seen... atrocities he himself has committed. Her murdered every single person on Gallifrey. And knows exactly how many there were. He was on the front lines of the Time War at some of the most horrific battles, leading. There are reasons the Daleks fear him so specifically. The Oncoming Storm. He brings death and destruction.
Every time I see Kate closing the lid on her box, the look on her face makes me think about how disturbed she must be by this speech. Her childhood hero, the man her own father told stories about all his life, just revealed how deeply, deeply hurt he is at his core. How tormented he is under the skin by all the people he killed and the people he never saved. The Doctor is more vulnerable here than any other moment, and it must be so hard for see him this way. The Doctor was right to protect others from feeling his pain, because for Kate it was almost too much to even witness whatever fraction of it he displayed here.
Especially when you consider that before the ceasefire even started, Kate was about to make the same decision the Doctor did to end the Time War. She thought it was justified, and that he was too, but in this moment, this *exact* moment………she realizes how much it truly, *truly* hurt to be a part of it. How much it hurt to be the one to press the button, and to fail to save innocent lives. To be the Doctor……..and to fail, in saving people.
@@Jack-zx3lx Except they didn't. There's an audio book version of Day Of the Doctor and in the end after he's timelocked Gallifrey they all go there to save people. I'm sure there are still Gallifreyans they couldn't save, but considerably fewer than if they hadn't all turned up.
@@misskitty285 But in the TV series, he didn't even remember that he saved Gallifrey. It's specifically mentioned in Day of the Doctor that they won't remember, and you also see it later in the show.
Some people say that this scene doesn't hold much weight because the Doctor didn't actually burn Gallifrey as shown in the 50th special. What they forget is that the Doctor is talking about all the atrocities he committed *during* the War, for centuries. The Time War went on for centuries. Earth shattering performance by Mr Capaldi.
I think at this point he knows Gallifrey is ok, as the Time Lords gave him a whole new set of regenerations. In regards to the other things he did during the Time War, the name "Butcher of Skull Moon" must mean something.
Heck, you carry many many years of believing you did it on your shoulders - especially because you were willing to -- I'd say that makes the quibble of retroactively learning you had to fool yourself a bit less of a mitigation.
Agreed. His 10th and 11th selves did stop his war self from blowing up Gallifrey and the daleks, but the siege of tenzalore did happen, and it was only the ending battle of the last great time war. Who knows how long the last great time war went on?
Also, although in the end Gallifrey DID get saved, the Doctor would still have memories of him burning it down, and the centuries of him having that in his head would be equally traumatic.
@@adrienbayre9898 He got in the late 90's for directing the short film _Franz Kafka's It's A Wondeful Life._ It's a great film that definitely deserved that win.
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!" Chills, man
@@DarkAdonisVyers it doesn't matter. Greater terms whoopie do that completely makes up for the children who lose their parents shattered family's and lives sniffed out before they truly live. War is a horrible option and the means never justify the ends
Nisha Shirodkar he is talking about the time war and though he didn't destroy it, I'm pretty sure he killed a bunch of daleks and couldn't save a bunch of children and other gallifreyans.
Neelsen Bugayong Well, he basically made millions of Dalek ships shoot at each other when Gallifrey was frozen, and a lot of those Daleks might have been "converted" Gallifreyans (although I'm not sure Davros was allowing those transformations, as it would have ruined the Dalek race's "purity")
Never before this has The Doctor shown his pain from The Time War this much. This is without a doubt the best speech ever written for Doctor Who. The acting from Capaldi when he says "when I close my eyes" and you can hear him holding back tears and turning around... gives me chills.
10 and 11’s personalities were formed as a defense mechanism from all the trauma caused by the Time War. 12 was a personality formed by working to heal those wounds.
Yeah, every other time it was only bits and pieces let out when the doctor was trying his hardest to Bury it. This is the first time since that fateful moment on gallifrey that he's let all his pain and misery out without holding back or dodging details.
The time war, the worst thing that ever is happening- presumably the worst part is that it is still going on. The Daleks and the Time Lords did mostly stop appearing in new places after it, but given it was fought over all time, it's not even in the past. It's just in places he can no longer go. Entire star systems and civilisations can't be visited at one moment or another, because that's where they ended, when the time war devastated them, be it future or past (as he's said before, he can't really interfere with his own past safely, even with it not being linear)
When he says "When you fire that first shot, No matter how right you feel, you don't know who's going to die" I always think back to when Garvelio Princip killed Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand which then kick started World War 1.
Agreed. I also think the 'I fought in a bigger war than you will ever know...' part could work just as well for a WW1 soldier giving ISIS a piece of his mind as it does with the Doctor giving Bonnie a piece of his mind.
An interesting philosophical dilemma is whether it's okay to do the right thing for the wrong reasons or the wrong thing for the right reasons. Hindsight is wonderful - albeit terrible thing. I'm unsure whether someone can be morally responsible for doing an action that unintentionally sets off a series of unforeseen unfortunate events that hurt people - especially when nobody could predict it at the time.
A single assassination that both directly and indirectly resulted in the Earth's two deadliest wars, at least two genocides, a race to develop nuclear arms, and a look into the darkest aspects of humanity when they are let into the light. I completely agree. That is a perfect analogy.
"And when I close my eyes-!" The scene was that moving you could actually feel his voice trembling as he turned from the camera to regain his composure... Capaldi is the doctor, saying he said quite the high standards is an overstatement, he IS the doctor, and nothing is going to change that for some fans...
In a fan event Capaldi actually talks in character about the 1st Doctor's granddaughter Susan and how he promised to return to her but never did, and you can see the pain in his eyes. This is a guy who knew the character in and out, and the writers/network kind of did him dirty.
you can actually hear and see the doctor’s overflowing anger right after the zygon told him he dosen’t understand. when people get too angry, they start to stutter. just like the doctor 3:08 in this moment. peter capaldi did a remarkable job expressing the doctor’s rage.
He's almost incredulous at first, he fought in the Time War - something that's practically beyond the imagination of any species that survived it to conceive the horror of, then the self loathing and rage of the Time Lord emerges before he begs them both not to make the same mistakes he did.
That "bitch please" moment at the start of his speech was what said enough about his Doctor. We fans who have seen 9, 10, and 11 know his guilt, self-loathing, and regret. 12 just brings it right out in what he felt before
agreed. this really is one of his best scenes and he just does it so perfectly. This kind of scene would never have worked with 9-11 except maaaaaybe with 9, but it wouldnt have been nearly as good.
My favorite Doctor moments are the ones where they drop the facade, shows what lies under the childish face, the optimism and happiness. Shows the old warrior they try so hard to bury, a being filled with pain, grief, rage and self loathing. It just makes you understand just how much The Doctor is really suffering, haunted by the atrocities they have committed, plauged by nightmares of all they failed to save.
1:36 No idea behind the intentionality of this, but when he says "DIE" with such a similar tone to the Daleks, his enemies that are built for war, the very thing he is trying to prevent in this scene, it feels so chilling. It's such a powerful little detail, regardless of how intentional it was.
The thing i like about this speech is that you can hear traces of previous doctors in his voice At the beginning he sounds like an irritated ten, frustrated that he's even having to argue about this "How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one" During he sounds like eleven, frustrated yet still cracking a joke until his laughter quickly shifts into anger to fear to willingness to forgive He goes from "No its not a game sweetheart!" To "No matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die!" To "Oh look at me, i'm unforgivable, well here's the unforeseeable. I forgive you! And then we have nine, the war veteran who's probably had this chat millions of times before and now just getting sick of it "This is not a war i fought in a bigger war than you will ever know i did worse things than you could ever imagine when i close my eyes i can hear more screams than anyone could ever be able to count!" And last but not least we have the war doctor (R.i.p john hurt) the lonely god thankful that they made the right choice but also legitimately worried for his and humanity's safety because he knows this'll happen again and it may not go out the same way "No-one else will ever have to feel this pain! not on my watch!" "...Thank you"
That's what I like about Calapdi's doctor. When the doctor regenerates, he develops a new face, and a new way of thinking to go along with it. But his previous selves are still within him, trapped until they have the right time to sparkle. That's what made me love this scene dearly, that even as basically a whole new person, he still remembers the values and feelings that he once felt before he wore the face that he does here.
Doctor: *tries very hard to be polite and reasonable Her: "You don't understand. You will never understand." Doctor: *snaps and starts to rain hellfire on everyone
@@dragmaXE It is the go to response and last bastion for all extremists or just men and woman who no longer have a legitimate argument. After deploying to Afghanistan and seeing first hand the oppression of women who I wasn't even allowed to speak to no matter how mission critical without a man of the family present with them to speak for them and reading reports on women executed for being raped and much much worse I felt similarly when my more radically left wing cousins told me how it didn't matter why I would never understand why it was sexist that she had to work in an office that was perpetually at 68 degrees and too cold for woman since I was a man. On the flip side, my grandparents basically thought I was a sinful heathen because I didn't go to church but bringing up clear teachings stating that god is suppose to be everywhere and also omniscient so I can worship where ever I want only got me the classic remark that I didn't understand properly. So to answer your question, yeah, I can imagine the nerve quite easily.
omg this man deserve an Oscar! He brought ou the pain of the doctor and put it in our heart... I reallly miss him he was the best doctor. This speech left me in tears the 1st I saw it, a fantastic moment i watch again over and over
"I forgive you" hardest words to say, hardest to mean, hardest to believe, as with every new regeneration i have problems accepting new faces and personalities for my favourite alien, Im always searching for that thing, that line, that bit that ties all of the Doctors together, i saw this scene and all I could think was, "ah, there's my Doctor." I can finally look at his face and see the broken, trying, caring, two-hearted alien I've loved from the beginning
exactly, he's gone through so much and the fact that even now he still forgives people just proves that he IS The Doctor, not a Doctor, THE Doctor, the definite article you might say!
definite article followed by the name he chose. because he is THE but he is also the DOCTOR, a title he chose to live up to, a title he chose to be. and with every face, the War Doctor included, he has always been THE DOCTOR.
Too True! And Did you ALL see WHO decided to give peace a chance? The Human..Not The Alien...You all can see WHY The Doctor Admires Humans...THEY believe in GIVING peace a Chance!
When he said “I forgive you” it reminds me of when Ten said to the Master the same thing, because he’s the doctor and he will always be, and he will always forgive.
This truly solidified my love for 12. Honestly, though, at the end of his first season when he told Clara, "Did you really think I cared so little for you that betraying me would change anything?", That's when I accepted him at the Doctor.
“Now do you see why war irritates me? It's always the same. A lot of people get killed, but in the end, the whole thing is settled at the conference table. The notion of having the conference first doesn't seem to occur to people.” ― David Eddings, Belgarath the Sorcerer
Sadly, some people would never "sit down and talk". For some people, war isn't about idealism, liberty and anything like that...war is just another method to obtain power. Whether it's putin desperately clinging to power by feeding nationalism and nostalgia through imperialist expansion, or hamas and israel keeping their people desperate, afraid and angry by constantly provoking the other side, nobody in control wants to sit down and talk. Because then they lose their power. So then, it falls to the people. The angry, afraid, and deeply propagandized people, to sit down and talk, because nobody else ever will. I can't say I ever see it happening but I hope it does, because the alternative is just more pointless, stupid death over the ambition and ego of a few psychopaths.
@@lunareclipse8573I think he says it's "what you always had to from the very beginning" because the only other alternative is everyone dies. If those in charge are fine with both sides obliterating each other, or blind to the fact that is what is going to happen-- so convinced of their own victory and superiority-- then yes no one will ever sit and talk. It is what ultimately has to be done for anything to end. Most are too cowardly to ever get there.
@@Whofan06then it’s what the doctor said afterwards when she wouldn’t change her mind «Then you’ll die stupid, alternatively you could step away from the box.» No war has to be done, but when they have decided they will do it they won’t back out from it until all the supposed «bad» people are eradicated. The first thing he said «How are you gonna protect your glorious revolution from the next one? The troublemakers?» This scene alone writed by Moffat just shows two things at the same time for both in the show and irl, this scene will continue to be forever relevant.
Capaldi is one of the greatest acting talents this planet has to offer. The man acts more with his eyes than most people can do with their mouths. Most people, alone in front of a mirror wouldn't even be able to act this smooth. He's in his own league when it comes to on screen performance.
I read somewhere that Peter Capaldi acted out this scene in one take. I might not be true but if he did, then he's a great actor and he just earned my respect.
i could believe it, some of his other scenes are just so great, he's also got great comedic timing. "now you're probably wondering. 'where'd he get the tea.' I'm the doctor, just accept it"
That line was so good that I used it in a D&D campaign once. There was a character that betrayed the party and doubled down when confronted about it because they shouldn’t forgive her for it. I responded with that
"No one can forgive me." "I do. Knowing these things, I forgive you." "No one can judge me." "I do. Knowing your crimes, I judge you." "-No one can approve of me." "If I cannot approve of you, then I shall reject the you that cannot forgive yourself." "---" "If you accept your crimes, then I reject your crimes." Echidna to Subaru Natsuki, Re:Zero Vol 12
- You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning: *SIT **_DOWN_** AND **_TALK!_* I shed actual tears at this monologue. The way Capaldi says it with such pain and agony, you really feel how anguished the Doctor is about his role in the Time War. I'm sorry I ever doubted the Moffat era. Despite its flaws, its ability to say something important and necessary is unparalleled on British television, and I mean that sincerely.
All eras have flaws even RTD isn’t perfect. This is actually one of the reasons I prefer Moffat over RTD as he knows how to show character development whilst RTD didn’t.
I truly believe Twelve has the most profound speeches and lines which really see how torn apart he really is but he still manages to have a such deep love for everyone. It's honestly beautiful, this speech combined with "do you think i care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference" are a perfect example of that
Yeah definitely one of my favourites, I mean they all have incredible speeches, most of which fit with the doctor who said it. Whereas, I find Twelve's seem to apply to all of them as a whole
Surfboarder4 if only it weren't made completely null and void when it doesn't work and Clara has to take over the moment lol Also, I feel like this is better because the rings of Akhaten because although it was amazing, it was basically the doctor moaning about being old lol, this has a message to be said, one that can be taken into real life, which makes it have more meaning to me.
I feel like this speech will never stop being relevant. And it’s sad to think that’s a fact. Unless everyone sits down and talks out their differences, nobody will ever live in peace but we have the power to do so in 60 seconds tops
The current situation just shows how much this quote leaves out. What if you have two groups that want full control of one territory and don't want to compromise?
@@GTA5Player1Humans are an us vs them species. The only relevant questions are who’s us, who’s them, what are we arguing about and what should we do to resolve the argument. Canada and Iceland have a very nice little one going on over who gets a tiny rock, so every 6 months one side invades the rock, swaps the flag over, picks up some beer left behind by the last lot and leaves some beer for the next lot. Humanity on Earth will never be united together against a common enemy until we find or create one somewhere else. We won’t even work together to save our planet because there’s a part of us that thinks making things worse is convenient for themselves. We are willing to make our own species go extinct rather than work as a team all because it will always be us vs them.
@@GTA5Player1 Isn't that exactly what he's talking about though in the speech? Spilling blood constantly until, eventually, at some point after all the death and destruction and pain and suffering, people are still going to have to talk to find the solution. I'm not smart enough to pretend I know what that solution is, but I do know that at some point or another, talking is going to have to happen to come to any resolution
@GTA5Player1 because the worst enemy is the one who thinks they are fighting for what's right. Look at our fictional media and fictional characters who believe they and their allies are doing the right thing
It's also a tie back to the 50th anniversary episode where 10, 11, and War Doctor are discussing exactly how many people were on Gallifrey when they destroyed it. The arc from War Doctor through to 12 is astounding and incredible. 12 beings his run by questioning if he is good. It's one of his big worries. Am I a good person. He's admitting to himself that he may just be the bad guy. He isn't running from it any more. He's working through it. And this speech goes right to that. You hold the pain close, you don't forget it, you don't let others make that mistake that you made because you know exactly what it turns you into.
This is where I started to truly come to love the 12th Doctor. I didn't like his first appearances. I thought he was rude, crass and just didn't seem kind. But this speech, this one speech, it made my entire opinion on him completely shift. I understood why he was like that. I understood where he was going. Honestly, this is my favorite speech from him... perhaps all of Doctor Who, outside of some of David Tennant's. He's such, an amazing actor, I really am glad you got to complete your run, Capaldi.
If you compare all the Doctors in terms of the actors’ talent, Twelve is without question the best. Many of the others (notably Tom Baker and Chris Eccleston) did a great job at giving the Doctor a lot of substance and depth, but the way Capaldi delved into the complexity of the role eclipses all the others.
@@VereskVeil I feel similarly, although I chalk that up to Chibnall. I cry because I remember when these speeches could make me feel the way this one did.
@@theforumspecter6680 Yup. When talking about the modern Doctors- Tenant had the best material, but Capaldi did the best job of capturing the role. And what I would give for Whitaker to have been given anything to work with at all. There's plenty of moments where she "almost" feels like the Doctor- but they just won't give her the chance.
You're talking to the man who ended the Time War by performing an act he believed would result in double genocide. He's not only the greatest warrior in all of time and space, in a odd sense, he's also the greatest war criminal in all of time and space.
This is when Capaldi became my Doctor. I still love Ten but twelve is my Doctor because he embodied everything that the Doctor was and should have been. God I miss him.
I love this speech so much because it touches on a wider political issue without actually picking a side. It shows that even for the most radical political groups, massacring dozens of innocent people for their own selfish and delusional gain, like the rogue Zygons, while inciting violence on them in return can be justified, it is never a solution. Like the Doctor said, cruelty towards people that are cruel just makes you another cruel person. When you get rid of all the people you see as troublesome, you only invite more trouble. The solution between opposing political groups is not a big-bang all out war for domination - it's to just simply sit down and talk.
Bullshit. The Armenians wouldn't have averted the genocide against them by talking to the Turks. The Jews and LGBTQ and Romani wouldn't have saved themselves by talking with the Nazis. The Indigenous tribes' destruction by colonialism wasn't done because of a failure of communication. Talking and negotiation has worked in history only up to a point. When one group is uninterested in communication, then standing up against tyranny and cruelty doesn't make you cruel in turn. And people who wilfully live complicit with that tyranny aren't innocent. To hell with this incarnation of the Doctor. I ascribe to a far better Doctor's words, which were written just twenty years after the end of WWII: "There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things! Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought!"
I think a lot of people overlook Jenna Coleman as Bonnie in this scene. You can see the smugness and self righteousness just fall away as The Doctor picks apart her ideals.
Jenna’s facial expression when The Doctor told her that he forgives her was heartbreaking. She’s quite a fantastic actress and did spectacular as Bonnie in this scene!
Capaldi's issue had nothing to do with him, he is AMAZING! He was just unlucky to get stuck with some utter shit tier writing, and Moffat trying to cram Clara Sue down every one's throats as the greatest, most awesome perfect epic greatest thing to ever happen to him or the show.
Not joking, I think this speech saved my life. While I've never been through war, I have been through a lot of difficulties in my life - bullying, abuse, etc, and what the Doctor says about not letting that pain make you into a monster and using that pain to stop it ever happening to anyone else really helped me turn my outlook around on things. I love this stupid show about a blue box and the person inside it and all their silly adventures. It really did save me.
I’ve met lots of others like us, who’ve suffered, & they seem to choose the high road or the low. Not many in between. The ones who take the high road, eventually, end up truly serene, & somehow spread that kind of goodness. The others, sadly, turn to the dark side, and just keep paying damage forward.
i second this. I am so upset he didn't get another season. Series 10 was even better, and i just get so sad that he didn't live up to his potential. I still love him regardless.
This speech is actually what made me stop bullying in year 11 I was having my own personal problems but kept taking it out on others but never realised how my actions would affect others including myself and never opened up. Once i did things started to get better.
@@leov91 Well he had an average time as the doctor they all had around 3 series and I think he did live up to his potentially with exception of Chris Eccleston (9th) should off been able to live up to his potential (he only had 1 series and most fans seem to forget about him for this reason)
This is one of my favourite lines in all of doctor who and probably the most poignant. “Because it’s always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who’s going to die. You don’t know who’s children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill. Until every does what they were always going to do from the very beginning. SIT DOWN AND TALK!”
When you've killed all the bad guys, and it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you?
This might just be the best speech in all of Doctor Who. This is the most profound and meaningful, 'Doctory' way he could've said "I've had e-f*cking-nough."
@@johnangus2650 talking crapshit about the guy who inspired Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr. And the guy who fought to get equal rights for all castes and religion... and the guy who tried to bring the poors and underprivileged up into the well-to-do fold... okay.
@@johnangus2650 Way to take history out of context dude. Was he a racist by present standards? Yes. Did he do much to promoted non-violence and racial equality as a whole? A big, fat yes. These hottakes just show your surface level knowledge.
"No one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will have to feel this pain. Not on my watch!" This is the number one reason I'm becoming a lawyer in family court!! So, I can protect someone from the pain I went through!!
I've considered it. I'm a writer who mostly writes romance novels under pen names. I've had over 100,000 people read my words, and without family it's empty. My sister was raped by her ex husband and tried to kill herself. He raped her after finding out she was pregnant, and he revealed he was impotent. She cheated, I wont mince my words. My pastor grandfather taught her that women are property and what he did "wasn't rape because you were married at the time..." He went after her in court with the intention of hurting her, and they took her son. He lived in my house for almost an entire year, and lived with him for only the first 4 months of his life. He begged me not to let the "bad man kidnap him," and it took everything in me not to grab my gun and cause another useless massacre. I kept my head that day and vowed to never let it happen again. A 3 year old boy was separated by a man using the courts in another state from where I lived. I had no idea there was even court. He was deemed the "psychological father," in a court order riddled with spelling errors. The second order that followed was angry because, according to the lawyer, the judge realized she messed up and decided to "double down" on her order vs reversing it. Now I'm writing a book, and I'm putting all my pain into it. If no one reads it, at least I can say in that setting I tried. The moment that boy is 18 he will get all the money I make from that book.
Here's the thing about ceasefires: everyone wants to be the last one to fire a shot before the shooting stops, no one wants to be the first to say "I forgive you".
After the end of WW1 was agreed upon everyone was informed about exactly when it would end, so everyone could have simply stopped right then, but the last casualty of the war was just a moment before the end, hence people died during it after everyone had chosen that it would end all because there was still some time on the clock to get some kills in.
Eh. While he did a fantastic job, his style wasn't the style of the others. The others had their moments and their Quirks and if given this scene would have taken it to that level in their own way.
"Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind." "I will not change my mind." "Then you will die stupid." Brilliant Play on Words since "Words."
@@christopherbravo1813 Changing your mind is a form of thinking, if you don't "change your mind" from time to time, it will stay the same. It will stay stupid.
". . . Because it's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken? How many lives shattered? How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN, AND TALK!?" #nomore
This speech is so meaningful not because it’s not just anti war but because the line you don’t know who’s going to die or who’s children are going to scream and burn because of his past. This speech is based on his experience in the time war.
Saw this scene floating around TikTok today in regards to the Ukrainian/Russian war and it's still very accurate. It also solidifies my belief that Capaldi was the best doctor in the entire series because his arc touched on many subjects that are so relatable today.
fuck off david tenant is way better and this is coming from a guy who prefers most of capaldi's episodes, no one will ever embody the doctor like david did
@@joetheblu3 Tom Baker is my favourite, then David, then Capaldi. Loved the writing for Capaldi, I'm a big Moffat fan. David was the first doctor I saw and his acting blew me away. Tom Baker will always be my ultimate favourite though, there's just something about that guy.
2:57 He was definitely insulted. And even after his redemption, he still can’t bear it, when someone speaks of war as something small. Twelfth Doctor, the one who accepts.
I don't think he has forgiven himself for what he was forced to do "for the greater good" Do remember he ended his own race to stop a war that would have destroyed everything in creation .
They'd rather generalize, and bomb other nations and make us believe that these so called enemy nations aren't just other nations with parents and children trying to live normal peaceful lives. Our country literally bullies other nations its how we got our power but the most unforgivable part is that they drag troops into it costing us and the so called enemy nations family members, lovers, siblings etc. War serves only to fill the pockets of nation leaders in a dick measuring contest between corrupt leaders. It's completely pointless yet we've been conditioned to believe it's the back bone of our economy news flash there is no enemy nation if we don't pick pointless fights. We wouldn't need a defense if we didn't enslave and invade other nations hell even this country isn't even ours it's the native Americans and Mexicans both of which have even less rights then African Americans yet there's no one protesting for them no organizations trying to help them. War is an endless cycle of racism, greed, and murder. How many countless civilians in both nations of a war are killed in the crossfire how many good men and women are lost in these tribal conflicts. It's ridiculous. That being said I'm a huge doctor who fan. Trust me as a Wiccan in a Christian country I know discrimination and lemme tell ya you cannot fight hate with more hate for Christ's sake Bush took advantage of the country's grief to start Islamophobia and generalize an entire race who btw was the wrong country yes its true Bush took us to war with the wrong nation just for oil and he created a racist islamophobic agenda to do so the impact of which is still felt today as Muslim Americans are still attacked and killed. War serves no purpose just as hatred serves no purpose and the doctor is right the casualties of innocent lives make every action during times of war inexcusable.
I love this scene. Because while yes the Doctor did save Gallifrey in the 50th anniversary, you have to remember in the original timeline, he did push that button. He counted the number of children that were killed on Gallifrey, he lives with that guilt always. Sure Gallifrey is in stasis, but that doesn’t stop what’s already been done.
There's no original timeline. The Doctor never used the Moment to destroy Gallifrey. The way we've seen in The Day of the Doctor, is the way that event happened. There was no time changing event. At least that's what I've got from various Doctor Who episodes. Time doesn't always go a straight line, else the Doctor's escape from Pandorica wouldn't make sense, would it? How did the Doctor get out of the box? Rory helped him with the screwdriver the Doctor gave him. But how could he give him his screwdriver from within the Pandorica? See? For it to make sense, you have to think about time in Doctor Who differently, as a big ball of Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey ... stuff (- 10th Doctor). Rory got the screwdriver from the Doctor's future self, which in a straight line of time shouldn't ever exist, because the Doctor was sealed within Pandorica. He used River's Vortex Manipulator to give Rory the screwdriver, but he got the Manipulator AFTER his escape. Again in a straight line of time impossible. That's why you have to think differently about time. So the Day of the Doctor always happened and Gallifrey was always saved, only the Doctor's regenerations from 9th to 11th (until after DotD) didn't remember that. It always looked like Gallifrey was destroyed, but that was the point, it had to look like that. The Moment is the most terrible weapon ever created, it has a consciousness, it can judge your actions, you think it would let the Doctor use it in that way? To destroy Gallifrey? To commit double genocide? To wipe out every Dalek and every Time Lord involved in the Time War (except the Doctor)? A weapon so powerful, that it can decide whether you're worthy of using it. If it was just a bomb, then fine, why not. But we're talking about the Moment here. The Moment plays a crucial role in the tale. What the Doctor was actually talking about (whose children are going to scream and burn ...) was the Time War itself, not the use of the Moment. The Doctor fought in the Time War in the first line, he did many things including taking lives, because that's what soldiers in a war do. He was talking about the progress of the war, not about it's last day (as seen in DotD).
@@Croftice1 let me try to quickly explain why I think you’re kind of right and kind of wrong. Time travel is weird but for me the easiest way to go about explaining it is through time streams. Let’s not look at the day of the doctor via 11s POV but rather the war doctors. There was a time before 9 and everybody after where the war doctor was the most advanced doctor. He was the farthest one in the doctors stream, just like 11 was in the day of the doctor (well besides Capaldis cameo). In that one original moment those future selves never existed and so he pressed the button. Then the day of the doctor rewrote all of that altering reality to make it where Gallifrey didn’t die. But the doctor has witnessed both and so even if he knows Gallifrey never actually died he still remembered pushing the button and watching them all die. But that’s just the way I see it.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 I mean whether or not the retcon in of itself is shitty is just your opinion but to say that that idea comes out of nowhere is not true. Those ideas I talked about are integral to show and it’s established very early on in New Who that in all of the doctors adventures he/she rewrites time via the various things they do on their travels, even if it’s just small things. As an example the doctor and rose created Torchwood via their meddling with time in the queen Victoria episode. In the 50th it was just done with the doctors own timeline rather than someone else’s.
3:19 probably the most powerful moment in all of Who for me. My friends can't understand why I'm so outspoken on certain topics but I KNOW what it feels like and I don't want anyone else to ever have to feel like that.
Biff calls Marty a chicken: “oh he‘s so screwed.” Thor arrives: “Oh, he’s SO screwed.” Joffery calls Tywin a cowered: “Oh, He’s SO SCREWED!!!!” Bonnie says the doctor doesn’t understand: “EVERYBODY GET THE HELL DOWN!!!”
Who else completely agrees with this speech right here, a lot of war can be prevented if people would talk to one another instead of attacking first hand.
War, true war, not the staged deaths of people in the thousands for political power, comes about when talking fails. When there are things too important to both sides to compromise on. When one side wants what the other cannot give up. Or, when the powers that be refuse to do as they're meant, refuse to be good and helpful servants of the people, they block all of your attempts to make things right - then, there is war. When talking fails, when you are given no power to change things for the better, there is only violence left. Because if you are not violent, then you allow them to hurt you, and the longer they hurt you the more the future will bow to them without thought of something better, because it will become 'normal'. War happens when words die.
This is, by far, one of my favourite Doctor speeches. The depth of sorrow in the Doctor’s face is so real. Peter Capaldi is my favourite Doctor, and it’s scenes like this that are why.
@5678sothourn No war is truly worth its potential cost when diplomacy is always a free option. That is the whole point of this speech. 1:19 No matter how "right" you feel when it starts, all the suffering could have been avoided with diplomacy.
@5678sothourn If the Japanese had considered talking things out ahead of time before Pear Harbor or even any point before the nukes were dropped, they could have spared themselves. I'm certainly not a historian, but I feel like if they had backed down or publicly requested a diplomatic/temporary cease-fire for negotiations, the US may have obliged.
This is how Doctor who should be written. The problem isn't solved by contrivances or the sonic. It's the Doctor talking and saying the right thing because of all the centuries he's lived. Probably the best episodes of Capaldi
How many hearts broken?!! How many lives shattered?!! How much blood is going to be spilled before everyone does what they were going to have to do from the beginning! SIT, DOWN, AND TALK!
Same I is just a shame to play can’t do that especially now and days I fell like more problems would be solved by people just talking and understanding and fixing the problem together but people only attack there people which leads to anger and then more war, pain, death, and heartbreak
@@wendiewebb4457 It depends but this speech is very meaningful and true. For example this has been all over the news but the stabbing in Reading. Which is a terrible thing to happen. However we don’t know why people do things. He most likely doesn’t realise how is actions would affect everyone and perhaps if he spoke about how he was feeling. Perhaps he wouldn’t of done it. People always have a reason. “...When you fire that first shot no matter how right you feel, you have no idea whose going to die, whose children are going to scream and burn, how many lives shattered, how much blood will spill until everyone does what they were always going to have to do from the very beggining SIT DOWN & TALK! The 12th doctor is bassically just trying to get Bonnie to realise how it might affect others and the whole reason for this is for Bonnie to talk and well it works. 12ths speech’s are always very meaningful
Why do people do this thing where they just type out the contents of the video. If you are going to quote the text, add your own thoughts or review it. Just quoting without adding anything is pointless.
War is the proof we are in the same world. What if you gave a 2 year old power? It is messed up. It is not only about how good, bad,smart,stupid it is but also about power. You argue with your friend. You fight to death. Imagine it happens to you two when you are ruling a galaxy. To hurt your friend sending missiles that could destroy planets. That shows just how it doesn't matter your age. Our world is just same dude.
İsmet Can Çelik it's not. human development radically changes as you age, but compared to the doctor, the difference between an adult and a child of almost any species is nothing, because the gap between them and a time lord is absurd. time lords were a class 5 species. let me put that in context, we would have a strong argument to worship a class 3 species as gods, a class 3 species proves the old saying right, "sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic". we are a class 0.7 species. compared to the doctor, any species except for the daleks is an adorable child that hasn't matured, humans being the cutest of the bunch. it's not until the species reaches class 4 that the doctor would consider them close to adults.
İsmet Can Çelik that would depend on that species. because according to the doctor, class 5 humanity dominates through discussion, peace and integration of aliens, and the new breed of meta-humans survive until the heat death of the universe.
Given we saw the ring fall of the 12ths finger that feels very appropriate for what 13 likely is meant to be. 12 was the final one of what we can consider the post-war doctors.
@KenshilmmortalWolf: The last time we saw a ring fall from the Doctor was after the first regeneration. We get the words that it doesn't fit because it's no longer appropriate. I think that was a deliberate echo of that event. In other words, the 13th is something new. So, yes, I think you're right.
People tend to forget that just because the Doctor saved Gallifrey, doesn't mean the Timewar was unmade. It still happened, he still fought in it for two whole lives (Timelord-lifespan), and he has lost more than we could ever imagine. Sure, he got a fix-it for Gallifrey, which was probably his biggest regret. Doesn't mean the Time war itself didn't happen though.
yeah exactly, the time war still happened, the Doctor didn't save Gallifrey until "The Last Day" the day he was originally going to blow it up, the final day of the time war, he still fought in that war, that's not undone, he still murdered millions and it's something he has to live with and something he regrets every single day of his life, all he did was save his home planet, the damage though... that was already done
It significantly lessened the impact of The Time War given the the final act of killing his race was something the Tenth Doctor angsted about for most of his run (and something 11 boasted about with "Fear me I've killed them all") I've got my problems with Day of The Doctor but it didn't invalidate what happened during the War itself.
he also remember what happened first time around, and Matt Smith’s Doctor told us that if something can be remembered, it can be saved. Meaning that to him, it doesn’t matter what happened this time, because he still knows how many kids he killed, how many innocents died at his hand, and he knows that it all happened at some point
Peters time has been so amazing and profound. Simple one of the best doctors we have ever had. He put a lot of his fan boy heart into it and it shows. Out of all the doctors I feel he had the best character ark. From what was seen as grumpy and insensitive to his Motto of “be kind”. He will always have a special place in my heart!
*thinks back to capaldi shooting another time lord and leaving someone for dead at the hands of a dalek*... Well, he got better at least but I wouldn't call him the definitive doc by any means.
On days like this, Dr. Who always has the somber reality check. When the smoke clears and the bodies have been counted, will any of it had mattered. So lines on a map could be redrawn for a moment in time.
@@SocksFCGameArchives "Forward!" he cried from the rear And the front ranks died The generals sat and the lines on the map Moved from side to side Pink Floyd - "Us and Them"
@LavaSqrl Hitler, We have decided to let you into art school under the most famous artist in all of Europe. More than a world famous artist you will be the man who had the keys to the empire and gave it back. A hero that will inspire nations for generations. All you have to do is give the power back to the people.
I remember when I first saw this scene, I was clapping like a madman when he said "Who's going to save your glorious revolution from the next one?" It really makes you think. Everyone always demands justice in this world, everyone wants to revolt against the corrupt establishment, but human history is an endless series of revolts against establishments, and those revolts create new establishments, which will, before long, be revolted against.
“Here’s the unforseeable. I forgive you.” I think there are a ton of people who need to hear that more often.
@Evi1M4chine no, the point is that after the war, people from Palestine were taken from their homes, placed elsewhere and told "your home belongs to Israel now, because we, the almighty USA, who know *nothing* about this land, its culture and people, but need to export our 'democracy', have decided so; now off you pop".
"In the words of the late great Nat King fucking Cole, unforeseeable, that's what you are."
@@BetaDottore That's flat out wrong. Palestinians were relocated by the Allies as a punishment because they sided with the Nazis during WW2. Look it up.
@@Tantalus010 "Violence doesn't end violence. It extends it". Two wrongs don't make things right. Separating Germany after the war was an act of violence. "Relocating" Palestinians was an act of violence. And look how well it ended up.
@@BetaDottore This speech also equally applies to bullying
The greatest thing about this scene, and the most upsetting thing about this scene, is that it will ALWAYS be relevant.
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Sometimes war is necessary, but only after literally all other means have failed. This is the message of the Doctor... before you fire that first shot in anger, sit down and talk. If war is preventable, by all means prevent it.
War never changes
@@christianalanwilson434 I think the point the doctor makes here is that war is never the answer. Because the wheels keep turning. The next enemy of your ideal world will always appear.
@@tom4465, and the worst part is that it perpetuates its own self. Of course, that doesn't include those who seek war for their own selfish reasons and are gladly willing to send others to war and die for their own power. And sometimes it is hard to talk to someone who will not talk with you, either because they are insane or just too emotionally torn.
Bonnie: "You don't understand... You will never understand..."
Doctor: "I don't understand?"
Me: "Uh oh. You've done it now."
Is she just stupid? :D thats the last timelord for a reason
Edit: Can y'all stop pestering me about a 4 years old discussion? I've been shadowbanned from commenting on this channel so I'm not even given a fair chance to respond at this point.
At the very least, if you're going to continue pestering me, do it in a novel manner. With my current hindsight, I can see that my argumentation did look rather ridiculous and whiny - though even now I maintain that the reasoning itself was perfectly sound and that none of my detractors made any serious attempt to engage with it.
Still, knowing how the internet works, it is probably the whininess that is being reacted to. Hence, in the interest of avoiding hypocrisy, I implore you to at least pester me in amusing ways, instead of doing what amounts to whining about my whining. Thank you in advance.
@@thelittleagustus.2292 Well his response clearly showed he doesn't understand. The only reason she couldn't completely wreck him in that exchange is because she's a blatant straw man.
@@CorneliusHDybdahl ya serious
@@CorneliusHDybdahl he fought in the greatest war in the universe, stretching across time and space, and you think he doesn't understand what is like to be in a war?
@@longps9528 Remember he is a fictional character and he can only understand what his writers understand. They have not fought in the greatest war in the universe. Setting that aside, you are putting words in my mouth. I am simply saying he does not understand the plight nor the motivation of the Zygons.
Every time he gets to "...and when I close my eyes!..." and his voice breaks I'm shattered. Either Capaldi is a superb actor, or he's experienced some real pain in his life because that is what that emotion sounds like.
It's possible Peter experienced real pain in his personal life that he doesn't feel obligated to share with the public...
@@marknorth8904 that's kind of my thinking. I mean no doubt he's a phenomenal actor, but the way he portrays that level of pain makes me think he's recalling an experience, not just acting it out.
When the Doctor talks about still hearing the screams, many of them were people screaming and running from him 😭😔❤️❤️
@@daveedmundstown6372 and are. He can't change it, but the time war, by definition is still happening, every moment of every day of his life, there is still a time war, in his past, but in everyone else's present.
@@reganator5000 That's the horrible thing about a time war.
Any war that could possibly exist as a truly temporal war, has always existed and will always exist. Temporal defense must be perfect and unbroken throughout the path of time, or it and its belligerents never happened at all. If victory, negotiated peace or even mutual obliteration were possibilities the war would be retconned out of existence before it ever started, as would all but one of its groups of belligerents..
who knows how many ambitious timefaring species the Time Lords of Gallifrey victoriously never fought.
“The nuclear arms race is like two sworn enemies standing waist deep in gasoline, one with three matches, the other with five.”
- Dr. Carl Sagan
And all it takes is one to set the world on fire.
Doesn’t matter who wins, once one goes off, both are consumed by fire
And yet they’ve kept the world secure since 1945
Look at the stats in war death after the invention of the bomb.
Nukes save lives. It’s just plain.
It’s counter intuitive but it’s incontrovertible.
@@jimmy2k4o Because they are not ment to be used
jimmy2k4o they have kept the world safe by keeping the world afraid. No one wants to set one off because then everyone sets theirs off. And what if a single group doesn’t care? What then? Our “world security” systems are all set off and now there is hardly a world left to secure. Its crazy you would even mention something like this in a video thats all about putting down the fucking weapons and just talking.
Its so refreshing to see the "hero" actually talk down the "villain" into making the right choice. You really don't see that done anymore, and especially not in a clever way like this. Fantastic writing.
And also to hear that the hero themselves has done even worse things than the villain is doing
That's because The Doctor has accepted, after many long years fighting against it and denying it, that he isn't the hero. He's the villain. Like he tells Bonnie, "no one else will ever have to feel this pain. Not on my watch." He tries so desperately hard to give people a chance to change. It's almost the only thing he cares about. It's his selfish way of feeling better about what he has done. He has a really deep need to stop others from screwing up the way he did. The Doctor has some pretty big issues he's working through.
Naruto talk-no-jutsu?
@@ghostspartan0182 Villains never think they're villains.. that's why we have the Master. Discuss..
@@mycroft16 Yep...that's why the Doctor is a 'dark' hero.
Can't believe some people say Peter is bad at playing the doctor. Well...I present them this scene.
I think the only reason why people don't like Capaldis Doctor is because they were so used to a young man who was the Doctor. When it was revealed that Peter would be portraying the Doctor I was excited because I think older actors capture the part better but I guess I'm the minority
I didn't like him at first but when I saw Heaven Sent and this episode I changed my mind about him rather quickly.
Exactly what I was going to say.
I like Capaldi as the Doctor I was just put off by season 8's atrocious writing that didn't suit his new Doctor, Season 9 was a vast improvement but it still didn't capture me but after Heaven Sent, I am so ready to give him a proper shot.
+Riain Biehle I agree there, it just works so much better when he's played by an older man and Peter Capaldi is proof that.
What I love about this speech is that The Doctor isn’t completely confident while speaking. He’s stuttery, scared he won’t convince anyone, he’s making things up as he goes along. This doesn’t feel like something scripted. It feels like we actually watched THE Twelfth Doctor try and succeed to stop a war.
It's coming from the hearts. :)
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He's desperate and vulnerable here, begging others not to make his mistakes.
He's unsure, because as brilliant as he is, he can't make their decisions for them, and he has no control over their actions.
@@MLaak86that’s honestly his entire career.
Trying to get people to not make his mistakes.
I’m just gonna say it: this speech is probably one of the best in the show. This isn’t just Peter Capaldi’s Doctor, but ALL the Doctors. I see them all here at some point, and that’s why this speech is amazing.
This truly was one of the great shining moments in the long life of our vagabond Timelord.
He channeled every doctor in this scene
It's hard for me to hear this speech and remember that this isn't real. That the Time War didn't happen (yet...just in case). That's how amazingly it was delivered. That's how great of an actor Mr. Capaldi is. I can feel the pain he's speaking.
That is a magnificent way to put it.
1-Oh, will you? Well, maybe, maybe you will win! But nobody wins for long. The wheel just keeps turning.
2-Because I want to get you to see, and I'm almost there! / So, come on. Break the cycle.
3-No, it's not a game, and I mean that most sincerely.
4-Listen to me. Listen, I just, I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind.
5-You're all the same. You know that? Look at me, I'm unforgivable. Well, here's the unforeseeable. I forgive you. After all you've done, I forgive you.
6-I don't understand? Me? Of course I understand. I mean, do you call this a war? This funny little thing? This is not a war!
7-So, let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers. How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one?
8-???
War-When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn! How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered!
9-Then you will die stupid. Alternatively, you could step away from that box, you can walk right out of that door and you could stand your revolution down.
10-And do you know what you do with all that pain? Shall I tell you where you put it? You hold it tight till it burns your hand, and you say this. No one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will have to feel this pain. Not on my watch!
11-And we're off! Fingers on buzzers! Are you feeling lucky? Are you ready to play the game? Who's going to be quickest? Who's going to be luckiest?
best interpretation i got of what line came from what doctor - it's definitely not perfect and i had to edit some lines, but i can at least hear all these lines in these doctors' voices
Is no one gonna mention how Peter’s game show host voice is surprisingly amazing?
It's Huey Green.
you mentioned it. and maybe that's enough.
Harry Flashman Well , at least somebody else knows who Peter is impersonating .
@@jooie444 he was the Host of Truth and Consequences wasnt he
He's an actor. Of course he's good at putting on different voices.
People give a lot of flack to Moffat but the dude knew how to write monologues. And Capaldi and Smith were both excellent at delivering them.
totally agree. this speech still makes me tear up espically with the shit going on in the world today
Moffat isn’t even bad
@@brobro9169 yeah I feel that he's a fantastic script writer, but he's not the best at showrunning
@@robbiefl2001 Bingo. Episodes he wrote fully were incredible, but towards the end you could tell he was running out of steam as showrunner.
@@monkeyman767 Can you blame him? from what it seems, being the showrunner is so exhausting.
This scene wasn't scripted. Jenna Coleman really just brought a nuke to the set and Peter Capaldi was desperately trying to talk her out of it while playing it off like a DW episode. What a talented actor! 😊
Is that actually true, cause if It is, this is one of the best speeches ever in doctor who no matter who played the doctor, I still love this as one of peter cappaldi's speeches and is so true
Bravo Vince
@@AlexrsGAME yeah no read about it in a Vouge magazine
@@AlexrsGAME this better be fucking sarcasm
Thank you Peter for saving us from nuclear holocaust. What an actor
Capaldi’s performance here is legendary, but spare a thought for Jenna, too. Her reactions are integral to making it work as well as it does. She’s superb.
She's brilliant in The Serpant.
Nah you could replace her with better actresses and you wouldn't notice
@@symbolitical4158 So in other words, you could also replace those other actresses with Jenna and you wouldn't notice. Thanks for complimenting her talent!
Clara Oswald was second only to Sarah Jane Smith.
@@jooie444 she has a small cameo in Captain America First Avenger
That moment when he turns around and his voice cracks after screaming "and when I close my eyes-!" That is the part that tears at me. That is a nigh-impeccable moment for Capaldi. He portrays a man who has seen horrors beyond recounting to the point where it nearly breaks him to even mention them.
There's not many moments in film or TV where I feel a real connection with the people on the screen to the point where I experience genuine emotion for them, but this is one of those moments. It was real, it wasn't forced, and it cut like a knife.
And no music, no explosions, no anything. Just 12th in a basement. 10th and 11th couldn't top this.
@@jeckjeck3119 speech to akaten comes close I'd say
I always point this out to everyone and how he tries to make it good at first but when they ask him why he did this he finally gets more serious and it just portrays how powerful the doctor feels about saving people
There’s also the voice crack in the “I forgive you!”
I think he went to Gallifrey after this. For his first scene. Eyebrows attack.
Not just horrors he has seen... atrocities he himself has committed. Her murdered every single person on Gallifrey. And knows exactly how many there were. He was on the front lines of the Time War at some of the most horrific battles, leading. There are reasons the Daleks fear him so specifically. The Oncoming Storm. He brings death and destruction.
Every time I see Kate closing the lid on her box, the look on her face makes me think about how disturbed she must be by this speech. Her childhood hero, the man her own father told stories about all his life, just revealed how deeply, deeply hurt he is at his core. How tormented he is under the skin by all the people he killed and the people he never saved. The Doctor is more vulnerable here than any other moment, and it must be so hard for see him this way. The Doctor was right to protect others from feeling his pain, because for Kate it was almost too much to even witness whatever fraction of it he displayed here.
Damn didn't think of it like that, that's deep
Especially when you consider that before the ceasefire even started, Kate was about to make the same decision the Doctor did to end the Time War. She thought it was justified, and that he was too, but in this moment, this *exact* moment………she realizes how much it truly, *truly* hurt to be a part of it. How much it hurt to be the one to press the button, and to fail to save innocent lives. To be the Doctor……..and to fail, in saving people.
@@Jack-zx3lx I'd imagine that's exactly what's playing through her mind at this point in character) too.
@@Jack-zx3lx Except they didn't. There's an audio book version of Day Of the Doctor and in the end after he's timelocked Gallifrey they all go there to save people. I'm sure there are still Gallifreyans they couldn't save, but considerably fewer than if they hadn't all turned up.
@@misskitty285
But in the TV series, he didn't even remember that he saved Gallifrey. It's specifically mentioned in Day of the Doctor that they won't remember, and you also see it later in the show.
Some people say that this scene doesn't hold much weight because the Doctor didn't actually burn Gallifrey as shown in the 50th special. What they forget is that the Doctor is talking about all the atrocities he committed *during* the War, for centuries. The Time War went on for centuries.
Earth shattering performance by Mr Capaldi.
But then again too I don't think he remembers if he saved it or not which would also add to the pain if that's the case
I think at this point he knows Gallifrey is ok, as the Time Lords gave him a whole new set of regenerations.
In regards to the other things he did during the Time War, the name "Butcher of Skull Moon" must mean something.
Heck, you carry many many years of believing you did it on your shoulders - especially because you were willing to -- I'd say that makes the quibble of retroactively learning you had to fool yourself a bit less of a mitigation.
Agreed. His 10th and 11th selves did stop his war self from blowing up Gallifrey and the daleks, but the siege of tenzalore did happen, and it was only the ending battle of the last great time war. Who knows how long the last great time war went on?
Also, although in the end Gallifrey DID get saved, the Doctor would still have memories of him burning it down, and the centuries of him having that in his head would be equally traumatic.
If this was in a Hollywood film Capaldi would have definitely gotten an Oscar from this scene.
Thinking about it, definitely
I mean, _he already has one..._
@@davi0121 nice
didn't know that
@@adrienbayre9898 He got in the late 90's for directing the short film _Franz Kafka's It's A Wondeful Life._
It's a great film that definitely deserved that win.
@@davi0121 thanks I'll probably watch it
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!" Chills, man
And who when they read that doesn't hear it in Peter C voice
Well, yes, a peace treaty, but one always find that the side who has the upper hand always can make the more favorable terms.
@@DarkAdonisVyers it doesn't matter. Greater terms whoopie do that completely makes up for the children who lose their parents shattered family's and lives sniffed out before they truly live. War is a horrible option and the means never justify the ends
@@thelittleagustus.2292 The world is an arena, and humanity's true nature is that of the hegemony of destruction.
@@DarkAdonisVyers I don't believe that. I believe we let stupid people make stupid decisions way to often in the world
That moment his voice catches when he says "and when I close my eyes." its so believable and heartbreaking.
was he speaking about the Time war ? But didn't the 11th doctor know that he didn't blow up Gallifrey ? Then what screams is he talking about now ?
Nisha Shirodkar he is talking about the time war and though he didn't destroy it, I'm pretty sure he killed a bunch of daleks and couldn't save a bunch of children and other gallifreyans.
Neelsen Bugayong Well, he basically made millions of Dalek ships shoot at each other when Gallifrey was frozen, and a lot of those Daleks might have been "converted" Gallifreyans (although I'm not sure Davros was allowing those transformations, as it would have ruined the Dalek race's "purity")
The Fangirl Doctor saves the Gallifrey in his every regeneration but he still thinks he burned gallifrey down i guess
The Fangirl And also he lost a lot even without the time war
Never before this has The Doctor shown his pain from The Time War this much. This is without a doubt the best speech ever written for Doctor Who. The acting from Capaldi when he says "when I close my eyes" and you can hear him holding back tears and turning around... gives me chills.
10 and 11’s personalities were formed as a defense mechanism from all the trauma caused by the Time War. 12 was a personality formed by working to heal those wounds.
The man who regrets.
The man who forgets.
And the man who wants others to not cross that line.
Yeah, every other time it was only bits and pieces let out when the doctor was trying his hardest to Bury it. This is the first time since that fateful moment on gallifrey that he's let all his pain and misery out without holding back or dodging details.
Disagree. Rings of Akhaten. That's when he showed his true pain of the war and his life
The time war, the worst thing that ever is happening- presumably the worst part is that it is still going on. The Daleks and the Time Lords did mostly stop appearing in new places after it, but given it was fought over all time, it's not even in the past. It's just in places he can no longer go. Entire star systems and civilisations can't be visited at one moment or another, because that's where they ended, when the time war devastated them, be it future or past (as he's said before, he can't really interfere with his own past safely, even with it not being linear)
This scene is The Doctor, so powerful.
James?
LazerzZ And the Doctor didn't even purchase the Nightmare pack
this scene more or less turned me into a pacifist because of the message it brings
Well that i didnt expect
well this I didn't expect, lazerzZ watching Doctor Who? Then again Doctor Who is like a religion in the UK
When he says "When you fire that first shot, No matter how right you feel, you don't know who's going to die" I always think back to when Garvelio Princip killed Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand which then kick started World War 1.
Yes. That's a strong parallel.
Agreed. I also think the 'I fought in a bigger war than you will ever know...' part could work just as well for a WW1 soldier giving ISIS a piece of his mind as it does with the Doctor giving Bonnie a piece of his mind.
An interesting philosophical dilemma is whether it's okay to do the right thing for the wrong reasons or the wrong thing for the right reasons. Hindsight is wonderful - albeit terrible thing. I'm unsure whether someone can be morally responsible for doing an action that unintentionally sets off a series of unforeseen unfortunate events that hurt people - especially when nobody could predict it at the time.
A single assassination that both directly and indirectly resulted in the Earth's two deadliest wars, at least two genocides, a race to develop nuclear arms, and a look into the darkest aspects of humanity when they are let into the light. I completely agree. That is a perfect analogy.
Hope we have another one so we can sit and talk again. lolz
"And when I close my eyes-!"
The scene was that moving you could actually feel his voice trembling as he turned from the camera to regain his composure...
Capaldi is the doctor, saying he said quite the high standards is an overstatement, he IS the doctor, and nothing is going to change that for some fans...
Don Boss i agree wholeheartedly
That voice crack makes me choke up!
@@shawntco Bingo...
In a fan event Capaldi actually talks in character about the 1st Doctor's granddaughter Susan and how he promised to return to her but never did, and you can see the pain in his eyes. This is a guy who knew the character in and out, and the writers/network kind of did him dirty.
This almost made me cry.
you can actually hear and see the doctor’s overflowing anger right after the zygon told him he dosen’t understand. when people get too angry, they start to stutter. just like the doctor 3:08 in this moment. peter capaldi did a remarkable job expressing the doctor’s rage.
They hired "The crossest man in Scotland" for a reason.
@@bigdrew565 to play the best emotion the dr has held from us. His resolute and absolute anger and frustration.
And this was the Doctor who DIDN'T have any emotion at first. Which is a lie: he's nothing but emotion. And he's trying to come to terms with it.
He's almost incredulous at first, he fought in the Time War - something that's practically beyond the imagination of any species that survived it to conceive the horror of, then the self loathing and rage of the Time Lord emerges before he begs them both not to make the same mistakes he did.
That "bitch please" moment at the start of his speech was what said enough about his Doctor. We fans who have seen 9, 10, and 11 know his guilt, self-loathing, and regret. 12 just brings it right out in what he felt before
The proof Capaldi is a great actor, and a great doctor.
This really highlights how much better he is than Jenna Coleman
agreed. this really is one of his best scenes and he just does it so perfectly. This kind of scene would never have worked with 9-11 except maaaaaybe with 9, but it wouldnt have been nearly as good.
Did you know that he was the leader of a doctor who fan club and then got kicked out because people hated him and he's the doctor
Seriously?
Agreed
We've all been waiting for this one.
"You've waited long enough!"
+Doctor Who "and it's about time!"
+Doctor Who one of the best 12th doctors moment's
+Dank DUC is the newest season out yet?
+Dank DUC
No.
It is his best moment yet.
I hope they'll be more.
My favorite Doctor moments are the ones where they drop the facade, shows what lies under the childish face, the optimism and happiness.
Shows the old warrior they try so hard to bury, a being filled with pain, grief, rage and self loathing. It just makes you understand just how much The Doctor is really suffering, haunted by the atrocities they have committed, plauged by nightmares of all they failed to save.
@City Watch Guard Or The Day of the Doctor where, in the brief moment, in the jail the doctor confronts himself.
Same.
Even when he saved Gallifrey, the pain never left.
Cold War was also a great episode for that.
One of my favorites is the speech David Tennant delivered on the Titanic space ship when someone asked who he was.
1:36 No idea behind the intentionality of this, but when he says "DIE" with such a similar tone to the Daleks, his enemies that are built for war, the very thing he is trying to prevent in this scene, it feels so chilling. It's such a powerful little detail, regardless of how intentional it was.
Oh god, that does feel eerily reminiscent of them
New headcannon, humans get the word die from the darleks.
I mean, he was told that he makes for a good dalek.
Woahhh, good catch bro. I couldn’t imagine it’s intentional, but boy do I love it.
You're right, but I think it's the natural vibrato or something in his voice
The thing i like about this speech is that you can hear traces of previous doctors in his voice
At the beginning he sounds like an irritated ten, frustrated that he's even having to argue about this "How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one"
During he sounds like eleven, frustrated yet still cracking a joke until his laughter quickly shifts into anger to fear to willingness to forgive
He goes from
"No its not a game sweetheart!"
To
"No matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die!"
To
"Oh look at me, i'm unforgivable, well here's the unforeseeable. I forgive you!
And then we have nine, the war veteran who's probably had this chat millions of times before and now just getting sick of it
"This is not a war i fought in a bigger war than you will ever know i did worse things than you could ever imagine when i close my eyes i can hear more screams than anyone could ever be able to count!"
And last but not least we have the war doctor (R.i.p john hurt) the lonely god thankful that they made the right choice but also legitimately worried for his and humanity's safety because he knows this'll happen again and it may not go out the same way
"No-one else will ever have to feel this pain! not on my watch!"
"...Thank you"
GRAMPS how do you not have more likes
That's what I like about Calapdi's doctor. When the doctor regenerates, he develops a new face, and a new way of thinking to go along with it. But his previous selves are still within him, trapped until they have the right time to sparkle. That's what made me love this scene dearly, that even as basically a whole new person, he still remembers the values and feelings that he once felt before he wore the face that he does here.
@@damian9303 The fact that this very specific face was chosen from 10th Doctor's memory just makes this scene even more meaningful.
You can also hear Ten in ever bit of this. The pure regret in his voice...
Take notes number 13
"you will never understand"
you just pulled the pin outta that grenade
AS THEY SAY "The rage of the Doctor can scare a Dalek to the other side of the universe" THIS IS WHY
“NO NO JOHNSON DON- and there it goes...”
@@thedalekprince6118 Demons run...
Agreed
Bonnie: You will never understand.
Also Bonnie: Why do I hear boss music?
Doctor: *tries very hard to be polite and reasonable
Her: "You don't understand. You will never understand."
Doctor: *snaps and starts to rain hellfire on everyone
@@dragmaXE what are you on its a shapeshifting extremist how is she backstabbing a person she was never on the side on
@@shnoozezzz9752 What do you mean "what am I on" pal? I don't remember asking for your opinion from the God damn start.
@@dragmaXE It is the go to response and last bastion for all extremists or just men and woman who no longer have a legitimate argument. After deploying to Afghanistan and seeing first hand the oppression of women who I wasn't even allowed to speak to no matter how mission critical without a man of the family present with them to speak for them and reading reports on women executed for being raped and much much worse I felt similarly when my more radically left wing cousins told me how it didn't matter why I would never understand why it was sexist that she had to work in an office that was perpetually at 68 degrees and too cold for woman since I was a man. On the flip side, my grandparents basically thought I was a sinful heathen because I didn't go to church but bringing up clear teachings stating that god is suppose to be everywhere and also omniscient so I can worship where ever I want only got me the classic remark that I didn't understand properly. So to answer your question, yeah, I can imagine the nerve quite easily.
Capaldi: So, you have chosen the doctor of War...
The oncoming atorm
omg this man deserve an Oscar! He brought ou the pain of the doctor and put it in our heart... I reallly miss him he was the best doctor. This speech left me in tears the 1st I saw it, a fantastic moment i watch again over and over
fun fact: Peter Capaldi won an Oscar in 1995 :)
This is a day I wish more people could watch this and understand it.
same here 💔
I knew people would come back here.
I am Russian and I came here. No one is going to win
Agreed
To quote Firefly ..... boost the signal
"I forgive you"
hardest words to say, hardest to mean, hardest to believe,
as with every new regeneration i have problems accepting new faces and personalities for my favourite alien, Im always searching for that thing, that line, that bit that ties all of the Doctors together,
i saw this scene and all I could think was, "ah, there's my Doctor."
I can finally look at his face and see the broken, trying, caring, two-hearted alien I've loved from the beginning
exactly, he's gone through so much and the fact that even now he still forgives people just proves that he IS The Doctor, not a Doctor, THE Doctor, the definite article you might say!
definite article followed by the name he chose. because he is THE but he is also the DOCTOR, a title he chose to live up to, a title he chose to be. and with every face, the War Doctor included, he has always been THE DOCTOR.
Too True! And Did you ALL see WHO decided to give peace a chance? The Human..Not The Alien...You all can see WHY The Doctor Admires Humans...THEY believe in GIVING peace a Chance!
When he said “I forgive you” it reminds me of when Ten said to the Master the same thing, because he’s the doctor and he will always be, and he will always forgive.
This truly solidified my love for 12. Honestly, though, at the end of his first season when he told Clara, "Did you really think I cared so little for you that betraying me would change anything?", That's when I accepted him at the Doctor.
“Now do you see why war irritates me? It's always the same. A lot of people get killed, but in the end, the whole thing is settled at the conference table. The notion of having the conference first doesn't seem to occur to people.”
― David Eddings, Belgarath the Sorcerer
Considering what Belgarath saw during the war with Torak and the massacre of the Marags
Love that book
G_Rock agreed
Belgariad > Mallorean
They're both good, but I prefer the Belgarath the Sorceror and Polgara the sorceress books.
Great. Now I'm crying.
This is a day where I wish The Doctor was here to tell people exactly this.
Sadly, some people would never "sit down and talk". For some people, war isn't about idealism, liberty and anything like that...war is just another method to obtain power. Whether it's putin desperately clinging to power by feeding nationalism and nostalgia through imperialist expansion, or hamas and israel keeping their people desperate, afraid and angry by constantly provoking the other side, nobody in control wants to sit down and talk. Because then they lose their power.
So then, it falls to the people. The angry, afraid, and deeply propagandized people, to sit down and talk, because nobody else ever will. I can't say I ever see it happening but I hope it does, because the alternative is just more pointless, stupid death over the ambition and ego of a few psychopaths.
@@lunareclipse8573I think he says it's "what you always had to from the very beginning" because the only other alternative is everyone dies. If those in charge are fine with both sides obliterating each other, or blind to the fact that is what is going to happen-- so convinced of their own victory and superiority-- then yes no one will ever sit and talk. It is what ultimately has to be done for anything to end. Most are too cowardly to ever get there.
@@lunareclipse8573as an Israeli, I can confirm that this method sucks.
@@Whofan06then it’s what the doctor said afterwards when she wouldn’t change her mind «Then you’ll die stupid, alternatively you could step away from the box.»
No war has to be done, but when they have decided they will do it they won’t back out from it until all the supposed «bad» people are eradicated. The first thing he said «How are you gonna protect your glorious revolution from the next one? The troublemakers?»
This scene alone writed by Moffat just shows two things at the same time for both in the show and irl, this scene will continue to be forever relevant.
@@lunareclipse8573 this is so true...
When you give Capaldi good writing he shines!
like any of them. if you let them shine they certainly will.
Justinhulk good character=good acting + good writing ,peter is a good actor so all thats needed is good writing
@@LorddexGAMNG too bad there wasn't much good writing
I am your 666th like. 😈
Brighter than the sun.
Capaldi is one of the greatest acting talents this planet has to offer. The man acts more with his eyes than most people can do with their mouths. Most people, alone in front of a mirror wouldn't even be able to act this smooth. He's in his own league when it comes to on screen performance.
I hope Moffat was right when he said he thinks he's not going to write Peter's exist.
+Ionut Maris castiel out of nowhere(I have a problem help)
+Stewart Seyfried matt is my favourite doctor but this one is one of the best
Capaldi's awesome!!
He's one of the acting legends in my eyes.
I read somewhere that Peter Capaldi acted out this scene in one take. I might not be true but if he did, then he's a great actor and he just earned my respect.
i could believe it, some of his other scenes are just so great, he's also got great comedic timing. "now you're probably wondering. 'where'd he get the tea.' I'm the doctor, just accept it"
Doesn't matter if its one take or 100. Still a legendary performance.
he did do it in one take!
Same with the regeneration speech...Peter was that good...
"Heres the unimaginable I FORGIVE YOU" always gets me
Unforseeable*
That line was so good that I used it in a D&D campaign once. There was a character that betrayed the party and doubled down when confronted about it because they shouldn’t forgive her for it. I responded with that
It looks useful until he makes it relevant - this isn't a war, the time war that he both started and finished, was FAAA...AAAR worse.
"No one can forgive me."
"I do. Knowing these things, I forgive you."
"No one can judge me."
"I do. Knowing your crimes, I judge you."
"-No one can approve of me."
"If I cannot approve of you, then I shall reject the you that cannot forgive yourself."
"---"
"If you accept your crimes, then I reject your crimes."
Echidna to Subaru Natsuki, Re:Zero Vol 12
"I FORGIVE YOU, RUSSIA!"
"Good, now give me Kiev"
Yeah, sorry Doctor, doesn't work...
How the hell did Peter not get an Emmy or Golden Globe or SOME AWARD for that speech right there is beyond me.
Snubbed just like Queen was with the Grammys. -Carlos
@@CARLOSSAVANT The Bafta judges for that year have been excoriated by the public for passing on the "The Zygon Inversion" and "Heaven Sent"....
- You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning: *SIT **_DOWN_** AND **_TALK!_*
I shed actual tears at this monologue. The way Capaldi says it with such pain and agony, you really feel how anguished the Doctor is about his role in the Time War. I'm sorry I ever doubted the Moffat era. Despite its flaws, its ability to say something important and necessary is unparalleled on British television, and I mean that sincerely.
All eras have flaws even RTD isn’t perfect. This is actually one of the reasons I prefer Moffat over RTD as he knows how to show character development whilst RTD didn’t.
This is indeed a master actor...
Not just British television. I have yet to see a moment in any television series match the emotion of this scene.
Indeed.
I truly believe Twelve has the most profound speeches and lines which really see how torn apart he really is but he still manages to have a such deep love for everyone. It's honestly beautiful, this speech combined with "do you think i care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference" are a perfect example of that
galaxyedits Yeah, but you can't beat the Rings of Akhaten speech. It did fit really well with the 11th Doctor's character though.
Yeah definitely one of my favourites, I mean they all have incredible speeches, most of which fit with the doctor who said it. Whereas, I find Twelve's seem to apply to all of them as a whole
That was a beautiful moment! He is one of the best actors to play Doctor Who. What a legend!
Surfboarder4 if only it weren't made completely null and void when it doesn't work and Clara has to take over the moment lol
Also, I feel like this is better because the rings of Akhaten because although it was amazing, it was basically the doctor moaning about being old lol, this has a message to be said, one that can be taken into real life, which makes it have more meaning to me.
They don't call him "One Take Pete" for nothing.
I feel like this speech will never stop being relevant. And it’s sad to think that’s a fact. Unless everyone sits down and talks out their differences, nobody will ever live in peace but we have the power to do so in 60 seconds tops
The current situation just shows how much this quote leaves out. What if you have two groups that want full control of one territory and don't want to compromise?
@@GTA5Player1Humans are an us vs them species. The only relevant questions are who’s us, who’s them, what are we arguing about and what should we do to resolve the argument. Canada and Iceland have a very nice little one going on over who gets a tiny rock, so every 6 months one side invades the rock, swaps the flag over, picks up some beer left behind by the last lot and leaves some beer for the next lot. Humanity on Earth will never be united together against a common enemy until we find or create one somewhere else. We won’t even work together to save our planet because there’s a part of us that thinks making things worse is convenient for themselves. We are willing to make our own species go extinct rather than work as a team all because it will always be us vs them.
@@GTA5Player1 Isn't that exactly what he's talking about though in the speech? Spilling blood constantly until, eventually, at some point after all the death and destruction and pain and suffering, people are still going to have to talk to find the solution. I'm not smart enough to pretend I know what that solution is, but I do know that at some point or another, talking is going to have to happen to come to any resolution
@@Shotgungunshot1 Youd think so but what if both sides seem content continuing their holy war another couple thousand years?
@GTA5Player1 because the worst enemy is the one who thinks they are fighting for what's right. Look at our fictional media and fictional characters who believe they and their allies are doing the right thing
I HEAR MORE SCREAMS THAN ANYONE WOULD BE ABLE TO COUNT.
...And that's why Capaldi is my favourite modern doctor.
It's also a tie back to the 50th anniversary episode where 10, 11, and War Doctor are discussing exactly how many people were on Gallifrey when they destroyed it. The arc from War Doctor through to 12 is astounding and incredible. 12 beings his run by questioning if he is good. It's one of his big worries. Am I a good person. He's admitting to himself that he may just be the bad guy. He isn't running from it any more. He's working through it. And this speech goes right to that. You hold the pain close, you don't forget it, you don't let others make that mistake that you made because you know exactly what it turns you into.
This is where I started to truly come to love the 12th Doctor. I didn't like his first appearances. I thought he was rude, crass and just didn't seem kind. But this speech, this one speech, it made my entire opinion on him completely shift. I understood why he was like that. I understood where he was going. Honestly, this is my favorite speech from him... perhaps all of Doctor Who, outside of some of David Tennant's. He's such, an amazing actor, I really am glad you got to complete your run, Capaldi.
PinkiePone same here
Even if the doctor changes at the end of the day he wants to see everybody live
We all did
What's ur favourite one from David tennant?
the doctor doesn't have one continuous personality its always changing never the same its what makes this show unique
If you compare all the Doctors in terms of the actors’ talent, Twelve is without question the best. Many of the others (notably Tom Baker and Chris Eccleston) did a great job at giving the Doctor a lot of substance and depth, but the way Capaldi delved into the complexity of the role eclipses all the others.
He is the one I've been crying over since his last episode. Every time I see this Doctor, I cry.
@@VereskVeil I feel similarly, although I chalk that up to Chibnall. I cry because I remember when these speeches could make me feel the way this one did.
Tennatnt and Smith were good too, but I rather would have seen that black lady as the Doctor than Whittaker.
@@theforumspecter6680 Yup. When talking about the modern Doctors- Tenant had the best material, but Capaldi did the best job of capturing the role. And what I would give for Whitaker to have been given anything to work with at all. There's plenty of moments where she "almost" feels like the Doctor- but they just won't give her the chance.
Ngl I was expecting a war in this reply section.Pleasantly surprised there is'nt one.
It’s probably because Capaldi is older but he really felt like a worn torn veteran in this scene. It’s great.
"You don't understand."
As soon as I heard that, I knew what the response would be. NEVER say that.
"You f***in don't tell ME what to DO!!!"
@@Seej1982 ....?
You're talking to the man who ended the Time War by performing an act he believed would result in double genocide. He's not only the greatest warrior in all of time and space, in a odd sense, he's also the greatest war criminal in all of time and space.
@@Seej1982 crazy you are man
12th doctor for president
You've got my vote
Nah, I'll vote for Saxon
@@szabm3179 Dun dun dun dun.
Szab M My votes for Harriet Jones...
He is
This is when Capaldi became my Doctor. I still love Ten but twelve is my Doctor because he embodied everything that the Doctor was and should have been. God I miss him.
His time as The doctor was far too short!
I love this speech so much because it touches on a wider political issue without actually picking a side. It shows that even for the most radical political groups, massacring dozens of innocent people for their own selfish and delusional gain, like the rogue Zygons, while inciting violence on them in return can be justified, it is never a solution. Like the Doctor said, cruelty towards people that are cruel just makes you another cruel person. When you get rid of all the people you see as troublesome, you only invite more trouble. The solution between opposing political groups is not a big-bang all out war for domination - it's to just simply sit down and talk.
‘When elephants fight, ants die’.
Bullshit. The Armenians wouldn't have averted the genocide against them by talking to the Turks. The Jews and LGBTQ and Romani wouldn't have saved themselves by talking with the Nazis. The Indigenous tribes' destruction by colonialism wasn't done because of a failure of communication.
Talking and negotiation has worked in history only up to a point. When one group is uninterested in communication, then standing up against tyranny and cruelty doesn't make you cruel in turn. And people who wilfully live complicit with that tyranny aren't innocent.
To hell with this incarnation of the Doctor. I ascribe to a far better Doctor's words, which were written just twenty years after the end of WWII: "There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things! Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought!"
Hatred solves nothing and creates nothing. Only love and kindness can create and bring positive change
War, war never changes
@declanhugors There are no good wars, simply unavoidable ones.
I think a lot of people overlook Jenna Coleman as Bonnie in this scene. You can see the smugness and self righteousness just fall away as The Doctor picks apart her ideals.
Daniel Craig I know right I was so fascinated with the facial expressions in this clip.
Yep, she did a great job playing Bonnie.
Hot Dog not just that. Look at Kate. She has a full moment of character growth in the background with even less lines. This scene is very well acted
Oh yes, absolutely agree with you there.
Jenna’s facial expression when The Doctor told her that he forgives her was heartbreaking. She’s quite a fantastic actress and did spectacular as Bonnie in this scene!
Peter Capaldi is the first underrated Doctor since the show came back. He was immense at times.
Chocolabtastic Smith umm, the 9th doctor
Chocolabtastic Smith Cough Cough 9th Doctor Cough Cough
Capaldi's issue had nothing to do with him, he is AMAZING! He was just unlucky to get stuck with some utter shit tier writing, and Moffat trying to cram Clara Sue down every one's throats as the greatest, most awesome perfect epic greatest thing to ever happen to him or the show.
He was always immense. The writing was the problem.
"No one else will have to feel this pain. Not on my watch"
That, ladies and gentlemen, fully describes The Doctor's motivation.
"And when I close my eyes"
There's more emotion in those 6 words than most actors achieve across their careers. What a phenomenal actor
Not joking, I think this speech saved my life. While I've never been through war, I have been through a lot of difficulties in my life - bullying, abuse, etc, and what the Doctor says about not letting that pain make you into a monster and using that pain to stop it ever happening to anyone else really helped me turn my outlook around on things.
I love this stupid show about a blue box and the person inside it and all their silly adventures. It really did save me.
That's one of the blessings of fiction, I think.
Yeah I come from a similar place and that stood out to me too. Break the cycle. That's how I escaped....
I’ve met lots of others like us, who’ve suffered, & they seem to choose the high road or the low. Not many in between. The ones who take the high road, eventually, end up truly serene, & somehow spread that kind of goodness. The others, sadly, turn to the dark side, and just keep paying damage forward.
I've been perusing the Doctor's speeches because they have taught me oh, so much.
What a beautiful comment ❤
This is when capaldi won me over. This is when I became angry he was cut so short
i second this. I am so upset he didn't get another season. Series 10 was even better, and i just get so sad that he didn't live up to his potential. I still love him regardless.
He deserved a run to eclipse Tom Baker's legendarily long run as the Doctor.
We really needed at least one more year of Capaldi.
This speech is actually what made me stop bullying in year 11 I was having my own personal problems but kept taking it out on others but never realised how my actions would affect others including myself and never opened up. Once i did things started to get better.
@@leov91 Well he had an average time as the doctor they all had around 3 series and I think he did live up to his potentially with exception of Chris Eccleston (9th) should off been able to live up to his potential (he only had 1 series and most fans seem to forget about him for this reason)
This is one of my favourite lines in all of doctor who and probably the most poignant.
“Because it’s always the same.
When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who’s going to die. You don’t know who’s children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill. Until every does what they were always going to do from the very beginning. SIT DOWN AND TALK!”
Capaldi's delivery is what makes it perfect.
The problem is they never listen.
Mmhmm, war is so often completely avoidable and utterly unnecessary if we could just sit down and talk in a pragmatic open and honest way
When you've killed all the bad guys, and it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you?
Its sad that this is relevant.
This might just be the best speech in all of Doctor Who. This is the most profound and meaningful, 'Doctory' way he could've said "I've had e-f*cking-nough."
"SIT DOWN AND TALK"
That line always gets to me
"The weak could never forgive, forgiveness is the attribute of the strong"
-Mahata Ghandi
*Mahatma Gandhi
Mahatma Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
@@johnangus2650 riiigght
@@johnangus2650 talking crapshit about the guy who inspired Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr. And the guy who fought to get equal rights for all castes and religion... and the guy who tried to bring the poors and underprivileged up into the well-to-do fold... okay.
@@johnangus2650 Way to take history out of context dude. Was he a racist by present standards? Yes. Did he do much to promoted non-violence and racial equality as a whole? A big, fat yes.
These hottakes just show your surface level knowledge.
"No one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will have to feel this pain. Not on my watch!"
This is the number one reason I'm becoming a lawyer in family court!!
So, I can protect someone from the pain I went through!!
Animals too i hope
I've considered it. I'm a writer who mostly writes romance novels under pen names. I've had over 100,000 people read my words, and without family it's empty.
My sister was raped by her ex husband and tried to kill herself. He raped her after finding out she was pregnant, and he revealed he was impotent. She cheated, I wont mince my words. My pastor grandfather taught her that women are property and what he did "wasn't rape because you were married at the time..."
He went after her in court with the intention of hurting her, and they took her son. He lived in my house for almost an entire year, and lived with him for only the first 4 months of his life. He begged me not to let the "bad man kidnap him," and it took everything in me not to grab my gun and cause another useless massacre.
I kept my head that day and vowed to never let it happen again. A 3 year old boy was separated by a man using the courts in another state from where I lived. I had no idea there was even court. He was deemed the "psychological father," in a court order riddled with spelling errors. The second order that followed was angry because, according to the lawyer, the judge realized she messed up and decided to "double down" on her order vs reversing it.
Now I'm writing a book, and I'm putting all my pain into it. If no one reads it, at least I can say in that setting I tried. The moment that boy is 18 he will get all the money I make from that book.
@@13Knives1 I'm sorry!! 😭😭 My ex was a pedo. And they treated him like a god and me like a well, pedo! So yeah, i get it!
Here's the thing about ceasefires: everyone wants to be the last one to fire a shot before the shooting stops, no one wants to be the first to say "I forgive you".
After the end of WW1 was agreed upon everyone was informed about exactly when it would end, so everyone could have simply stopped right then, but the last casualty of the war was just a moment before the end, hence people died during it after everyone had chosen that it would end all because there was still some time on the clock to get some kills in.
No other doctor could play this scene to the level Capaldi did.
Eh. While he did a fantastic job, his style wasn't the style of the others. The others had their moments and their Quirks and if given this scene would have taken it to that level in their own way.
I think Tennant could he has the emotion and range for it
It's the Attack Eyebrows. 😅
I think ‘The Man that Regrets’ would have done a much more heartbreaking performance. But I’m sure that capaldi’s performance is so goooooood.
Sylvester McCoy could of. The most underrated Dr of all time. Also a trained (and brilliant) Shakespearean actor...
"JUST LET ZYGONS BE ZYGONS!!"....I'm out, bye. 👋.
are you available for bar mitzvah's?
That's like belittling the Sontarans. Honestly.
I'm sorry, doctor who are you talking about?
Just A Pug Roll opening credits.
+The Doctor Allons-y
"Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind."
"I will not change my mind."
"Then you will die stupid."
Brilliant Play on Words since "Words."
I don't get it.
Nice pfp
@@christopherbravo1813 Changing your mind is a form of thinking, if you don't "change your mind" from time to time, it will stay the same. It will stay stupid.
@@KiraAsakura14 I don't see how it's a play on words, though. and people with constantly shifting viewpoints aren't exactly reliable.
@@christopherbravo1813 if thinking = changing your mind then saying "I will not change my mind" is like saying "I will not think"
No doubt, this is the exact moment Peter Capaldi became my favorite Doctor. His monologues were unmatched.
". . . Because it's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken? How many lives shattered? How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN, AND TALK!?"
#nomore
#Gallifreyfalls
James Landon #nomore
THEMEGACHICK aka therealoboy #GallifreyFallsNoMore
This speech is so meaningful not because it’s not just anti war but because the line you don’t know who’s going to die or who’s children are going to scream and burn because of his past. This speech is based on his experience in the time war.
I'm sorry, that "who's" ruined it.
They need to translate this speech into every language in the world, then broadcast it to everyone worldwide.
Justin McCurdy i was thinking the exact same thing
I think the problem with this idea is that you’d have to find actors of the same caliber as Peter from each country
lettertech 1993 impossible 😂
This would be awesome
100% agree. The BBC and Steven Moffatt know how to have a “pop” at the world and the politics that goes on in life
Capaldi is the only Doctor who didn't need background music to make an amazing speech.
His words is a music.
Here I am, a doctor fan from russia in the midst of a war, watching this rn, with a tear in my eye
This scene cemented Capaldi as a definitive Doctor for me.
Warrior Studios Me as well
Saw this scene floating around TikTok today in regards to the Ukrainian/Russian war and it's still very accurate. It also solidifies my belief that Capaldi was the best doctor in the entire series because his arc touched on many subjects that are so relatable today.
I thought about this scene quit a bit when I saw videos of people talking about the glory of war
"They might not be war heros, might just be a small detail in someone else’s war story."
"The young man dreams of the old man's nightmares."
fuck off david tenant is way better and this is coming from a guy who prefers most of capaldi's episodes, no one will ever embody the doctor like david did
Lol There is no war. lmao
@@joetheblu3 Tom Baker is my favourite, then David, then Capaldi. Loved the writing for Capaldi, I'm a big Moffat fan. David was the first doctor I saw and his acting blew me away. Tom Baker will always be my ultimate favourite though, there's just something about that guy.
2:57
He was definitely insulted.
And even after his redemption, he still can’t bear it, when someone speaks of war as something small.
Twelfth Doctor, the one who accepts.
I don't think he has forgiven himself for what he was forced to do "for the greater good"
Do remember he ended his own race to stop a war that would have destroyed everything in creation .
@@crazyjim1987 or rather was willing to destroy his own race
Peter Capaldi captured all the different doctor's emotions and traumas and expressed it perfectly
Brother?
This needs to be required viewing to every politician.
Most of them couldn't handle the truth...They would blame the British for propaganda...
They'd rather generalize, and bomb other nations and make us believe that these so called enemy nations aren't just other nations with parents and children trying to live normal peaceful lives. Our country literally bullies other nations its how we got our power but the most unforgivable part is that they drag troops into it costing us and the so called enemy nations family members, lovers, siblings etc. War serves only to fill the pockets of nation leaders in a dick measuring contest between corrupt leaders. It's completely pointless yet we've been conditioned to believe it's the back bone of our economy news flash there is no enemy nation if we don't pick pointless fights. We wouldn't need a defense if we didn't enslave and invade other nations hell even this country isn't even ours it's the native Americans and Mexicans both of which have even less rights then African Americans yet there's no one protesting for them no organizations trying to help them. War is an endless cycle of racism, greed, and murder. How many countless civilians in both nations of a war are killed in the crossfire how many good men and women are lost in these tribal conflicts. It's ridiculous. That being said I'm a huge doctor who fan. Trust me as a Wiccan in a Christian country I know discrimination and lemme tell ya you cannot fight hate with more hate for Christ's sake Bush took advantage of the country's grief to start Islamophobia and generalize an entire race who btw was the wrong country yes its true Bush took us to war with the wrong nation just for oil and he created a racist islamophobic agenda to do so the impact of which is still felt today as Muslim Americans are still attacked and killed. War serves no purpose just as hatred serves no purpose and the doctor is right the casualties of innocent lives make every action during times of war inexcusable.
I love this scene. Because while yes the Doctor did save Gallifrey in the 50th anniversary, you have to remember in the original timeline, he did push that button. He counted the number of children that were killed on Gallifrey, he lives with that guilt always. Sure Gallifrey is in stasis, but that doesn’t stop what’s already been done.
There's no original timeline. The Doctor never used the Moment to destroy Gallifrey. The way we've seen in The Day of the Doctor, is the way that event happened. There was no time changing event. At least that's what I've got from various Doctor Who episodes. Time doesn't always go a straight line, else the Doctor's escape from Pandorica wouldn't make sense, would it? How did the Doctor get out of the box? Rory helped him with the screwdriver the Doctor gave him. But how could he give him his screwdriver from within the Pandorica? See? For it to make sense, you have to think about time in Doctor Who differently, as a big ball of Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey ... stuff (- 10th Doctor). Rory got the screwdriver from the Doctor's future self, which in a straight line of time shouldn't ever exist, because the Doctor was sealed within Pandorica. He used River's Vortex Manipulator to give Rory the screwdriver, but he got the Manipulator AFTER his escape. Again in a straight line of time impossible. That's why you have to think differently about time.
So the Day of the Doctor always happened and Gallifrey was always saved, only the Doctor's regenerations from 9th to 11th (until after DotD) didn't remember that. It always looked like Gallifrey was destroyed, but that was the point, it had to look like that.
The Moment is the most terrible weapon ever created, it has a consciousness, it can judge your actions, you think it would let the Doctor use it in that way? To destroy Gallifrey? To commit double genocide? To wipe out every Dalek and every Time Lord involved in the Time War (except the Doctor)? A weapon so powerful, that it can decide whether you're worthy of using it. If it was just a bomb, then fine, why not. But we're talking about the Moment here. The Moment plays a crucial role in the tale.
What the Doctor was actually talking about (whose children are going to scream and burn ...) was the Time War itself, not the use of the Moment. The Doctor fought in the Time War in the first line, he did many things including taking lives, because that's what soldiers in a war do. He was talking about the progress of the war, not about it's last day (as seen in DotD).
@@Croftice1 let me try to quickly explain why I think you’re kind of right and kind of wrong. Time travel is weird but for me the easiest way to go about explaining it is through time streams. Let’s not look at the day of the doctor via 11s POV but rather the war doctors. There was a time before 9 and everybody after where the war doctor was the most advanced doctor. He was the farthest one in the doctors stream, just like 11 was in the day of the doctor (well besides Capaldis cameo). In that one original moment those future selves never existed and so he pressed the button. Then the day of the doctor rewrote all of that altering reality to make it where Gallifrey didn’t die. But the doctor has witnessed both and so even if he knows Gallifrey never actually died he still remembered pushing the button and watching them all die. But that’s just the way I see it.
@@alecbormia4523 Translation... Shitty retcon.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 I mean whether or not the retcon in of itself is shitty is just your opinion but to say that that idea comes out of nowhere is not true. Those ideas I talked about are integral to show and it’s established very early on in New Who that in all of the doctors adventures he/she rewrites time via the various things they do on their travels, even if it’s just small things. As an example the doctor and rose created Torchwood via their meddling with time in the queen Victoria episode. In the 50th it was just done with the doctors own timeline rather than someone else’s.
@@alecbormia4523 You're using examples to justify bad writing. But that's okay you do you.
His speech had me tearing up. I could feel that pain he talked about.
The Doctor is a true role model.
3:19 probably the most powerful moment in all of Who for me. My friends can't understand why I'm so outspoken on certain topics but I KNOW what it feels like and I don't want anyone else to ever have to feel like that.
The acting is just incredible
Biff calls Marty a chicken:
“oh he‘s so screwed.”
Thor arrives:
“Oh, he’s SO screwed.”
Joffery calls Tywin a cowered:
“Oh, He’s SO SCREWED!!!!”
Bonnie says the doctor doesn’t understand:
“EVERYBODY GET THE HELL DOWN!!!”
"EVERYBODY GET OUT OF HERE!!! RUN AWAY!!!"
"OUT!!! EVERYONE OUT!!! SHARK ATTACK!!!"
TACTICAL NUKE INBOUND! GET YOUR HEADS DOWN!
TAKE COVER!
Me seeing this comment: "oh someone doesn't know how to spell coward, time to end him"
*"I'm about to end this Zygon's whole revolution."*
Who else completely agrees with this speech right here, a lot of war can be prevented if people would talk to one another instead of attacking first hand.
I totally agree with the speech.
I dig your name and avatar fellow night owl.
syfy fangirl And I love your taste in cartoons and personality.
Took a glance at your page I love Dark Tower!! Stephen King is the Best!
War, true war, not the staged deaths of people in the thousands for political power, comes about when talking fails. When there are things too important to both sides to compromise on. When one side wants what the other cannot give up. Or, when the powers that be refuse to do as they're meant, refuse to be good and helpful servants of the people, they block all of your attempts to make things right - then, there is war. When talking fails, when you are given no power to change things for the better, there is only violence left. Because if you are not violent, then you allow them to hurt you, and the longer they hurt you the more the future will bow to them without thought of something better, because it will become 'normal'.
War happens when words die.
This is, by far, one of my favourite Doctor speeches. The depth of sorrow in the Doctor’s face is so real. Peter Capaldi is my favourite Doctor, and it’s scenes like this that are why.
Just misses some tiny points. That some wars are worth fighting
@5678sothourn No war is truly worth its potential cost when diplomacy is always a free option. That is the whole point of this speech. 1:19 No matter how "right" you feel when it starts, all the suffering could have been avoided with diplomacy.
@@ChoasXrunneR Tell me how WW2 could have been avoided with diplomacy. Cause Chamberlain sure as hell tried
@5678sothourn If the Japanese had considered talking things out ahead of time before Pear Harbor or even any point before the nukes were dropped, they could have spared themselves. I'm certainly not a historian, but I feel like if they had backed down or publicly requested a diplomatic/temporary cease-fire for negotiations, the US may have obliged.
@5678sothourn As for the rest of the world, perhaps a certain amount of mercy post ww1 could have reduced the negative attitude to Germany.
This is how Doctor who should be written. The problem isn't solved by contrivances or the sonic. It's the Doctor talking and saying the right thing because of all the centuries he's lived. Probably the best episodes of Capaldi
How many hearts broken?!!
How many lives shattered?!!
How much blood is going to be spilled before everyone does what they were going to have to do from the beginning!
SIT, DOWN, AND TALK!
Just like humanity so many lives saved if they just talked
Same I is just a shame to play can’t do that especially now and days I fell like more problems would be solved by people just talking and understanding and fixing the problem together but people only attack there people which leads to anger and then more war, pain, death, and heartbreak
@@wendiewebb4457 It depends but this speech is very meaningful and true. For example this has been all over the news but the stabbing in Reading. Which is a terrible thing to happen. However we don’t know why people do things. He most likely doesn’t realise how is actions would affect everyone and perhaps if he spoke about how he was feeling. Perhaps he wouldn’t of done it. People always have a reason.
“...When you fire that first shot no matter how right you feel, you have no idea whose going to die, whose children are going to scream and burn, how many lives shattered, how much blood will spill until everyone does what they were always going to have to do from the very beggining SIT DOWN & TALK! The 12th doctor is bassically just trying to get Bonnie to realise how it might affect others and the whole reason for this is for Bonnie to talk and well it works.
12ths speech’s are always very meaningful
Why do people do this thing where they just type out the contents of the video. If you are going to quote the text, add your own thoughts or review it. Just quoting without adding anything is pointless.
Imagine a world where people who are 2 years old are considered grown-ups. That's what the Doctor goes through.
2 sk00pz Nice example!
War is the proof we are in the same world. What if you gave a 2 year old power? It is messed up. It is not only about how good, bad,smart,stupid it is but also about power. You argue with your friend. You fight to death. Imagine it happens to you two when you are ruling a galaxy. To hurt your friend sending missiles that could destroy planets. That shows just how it doesn't matter your age. Our world is just same dude.
İsmet Can Çelik it's not. human development radically changes as you age, but compared to the doctor, the difference between an adult and a child of almost any species is nothing, because the gap between them and a time lord is absurd. time lords were a class 5 species. let me put that in context, we would have a strong argument to worship a class 3 species as gods, a class 3 species proves the old saying right, "sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic". we are a class 0.7 species.
compared to the doctor, any species except for the daleks is an adorable child that hasn't matured, humans being the cutest of the bunch. it's not until the species reaches class 4 that the doctor would consider them close to adults.
it didn't make a difference though. Even here still things wouldn't change if it was a class 5 speicies. Omega's and miss's behaviour tells a lot too
İsmet Can Çelik that would depend on that species. because according to the doctor, class 5 humanity dominates through discussion, peace and integration of aliens, and the new breed of meta-humans survive until the heat death of the universe.
"No one else will have to FEEL this pain. Not on my watch." Such a powerful line
10th- The Man who Regrets 😭
11th- The Man who Forgets😔
12th- The Man who Accepts 😌
DearFriend 13th- The WoMAN who...kills the franchise 😯😅
Given we saw the ring fall of the 12ths finger that feels very appropriate for what 13 likely is meant to be. 12 was the final one of what we can consider the post-war doctors.
So whats the 9th? The Man who survived?
@@xxdudeyydude5106 i like that lets go with that
@KenshilmmortalWolf: The last time we saw a ring fall from the Doctor was after the first regeneration. We get the words that it doesn't fit because it's no longer appropriate. I think that was a deliberate echo of that event. In other words, the 13th is something new. So, yes, I think you're right.
People tend to forget that just because the Doctor saved Gallifrey, doesn't mean the Timewar was unmade. It still happened, he still fought in it for two whole lives (Timelord-lifespan), and he has lost more than we could ever imagine.
Sure, he got a fix-it for Gallifrey, which was probably his biggest regret.
Doesn't mean the Time war itself didn't happen though.
yeah exactly, the time war still happened, the Doctor didn't save Gallifrey until "The Last Day" the day he was originally going to blow it up, the final day of the time war, he still fought in that war, that's not undone, he still murdered millions and it's something he has to live with and something he regrets every single day of his life, all he did was save his home planet, the damage though... that was already done
It significantly lessened the impact of The Time War given the the final act of killing his race was something the Tenth Doctor angsted about for most of his run (and something 11 boasted about with "Fear me I've killed them all")
I've got my problems with Day of The Doctor but it didn't invalidate what happened during the War itself.
Timeturner Indeed, the only thing that change was the final moment in the war. The moment.
he also remember what happened first time around, and Matt Smith’s Doctor told us that if something can be remembered, it can be saved. Meaning that to him, it doesn’t matter what happened this time, because he still knows how many kids he killed, how many innocents died at his hand, and he knows that it all happened at some point
The other thing is that he never remembered that he tried to save it
There should be no doubts after this speech. Capaldi IS the Doctor.
Chase Salyer whether you like it or not *Colin Baker mincing face*
Tennant is still the real doctor
Peters time has been so amazing and profound. Simple one of the best doctors we have ever had. He put a lot of his fan boy heart into it and it shows. Out of all the doctors I feel he had the best character ark. From what was seen as grumpy and insensitive to his Motto of “be kind”. He will always have a special place in my heart!
*thinks back to capaldi shooting another time lord and leaving someone for dead at the hands of a dalek*... Well, he got better at least but I wouldn't call him the definitive doc by any means.
We will always remember when the Doctor was him.
Everyone in their lives should hear this speech at least once. Everyone in power should hear this speech at least once a week.
They should show this scene (or even this entire episode) on Palestine and Israel's borders.
@@AccipiterSmith leave your liberal holy war out of my show and fandom, you apes and your wars have no place here.
On days like this, Dr. Who always has the somber reality check. When the smoke clears and the bodies have been counted, will any of it had mattered. So lines on a map could be redrawn for a moment in time.
“Lines on a map”. I don’t know why but this hit hard for me
tbf thats oversimplifing it a bit but realistically they shud just sit down and talk
@@mayfairbeats4965 Germany (3rd Reich): "So hey can I have all of Europe?"
@@SocksFCGameArchives
"Forward!" he cried from the rear
And the front ranks died
The generals sat and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Pink Floyd - "Us and Them"
@LavaSqrl Hitler, We have decided to let you into art school under the most famous artist in all of Europe. More than a world famous artist you will be the man who had the keys to the empire and gave it back. A hero that will inspire nations for generations. All you have to do is give the power back to the people.
Every doctor has their “doctor” moment and capaldis did not disappoint here ...
Elliott Wardle he goodbye speech was pretty damn good too
This scene should've won Peter Capaldi a BAFTA and an NTA and any other awards
The BAFTA judges know it now...After being yelled and screamed at by the public...
This speech still makes me cry, everytime I see it.
This speech made me cry, man.... The Doctor’s speeches always make me FEEL things! This is the moment I freaking applaud Peter.
I remember when I first saw this scene, I was clapping like a madman when he said "Who's going to save your glorious revolution from the next one?" It really makes you think. Everyone always demands justice in this world, everyone wants to revolt against the corrupt establishment, but human history is an endless series of revolts against establishments, and those revolts create new establishments, which will, before long, be revolted against.
Revolution just means to go around in a circle
Best moment of the new series. Capaldi is just too good. Hope he stays for at least 2-3 more series.
That'd be awesome, Peter Capaldi wouldn't ask to leave too, cause he's the biggest dr who fan ever
agreed. It would suck if he left with Moffat
according to moffat, theres a good chance that Capaldi is staying for season 11
Moffat says he doesn't expect to be writing Capaldi's leave for Series 10 so it's very likely he'll be staying since he loves the role too much!
Capaldi is awful
Ever wonder why the Doctor never seems to sleep.
Imagine closing your eyes and hearing 6 universe filled lives screaming in your head every second.