Lessons in Magecraft 15 - Curses
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- This is the 15th in my series of Lessons in Magecraft that goes over the various aspects of magecraft depicted in Fate, Type Moon, and the Nasuverse. This month we cover Curses.
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What sort of curse would you personally find to be the most horrifying?
If there's a curse out there that causes permanent full-body itching, that's probably the one.
A curse like eternal life where your soul is bound to your body but your body still ages so you end up as a walking and possibly talking skeleton. Low-key the FGO gacha has the curse of unluckiness.
@Joseph Mougharbel These videos are unlisted, the fact you can find them means you're a Patreon so you should understand why they don't show up on his channel right?
the primordial curse that the pendragon family suffers from. that things is terrifying.
Scratchy butts
the greatest curse is called gacha....that's even stronger than Angra Mainyu's grail mud
well taking part in Holy Grail war is expensive.....
El Melloi family almost went bankrupt after taking part in it.
Kiritsugu borrowed money from yakuza.
Atrum Galliasta used almost all his family resources.
Well considering you can Angra Mainyu in the Gacha among others. Yeah, that could actually be considered true, unironically.
Tectone would agree.
Legends say that those cursed were driven into bankruptcy
They can’t even give us a guaranteed Mordred. The fuckers
Angra Mainyu being cursed into being the embodiment of all of the worlds evil is *THE* definition of pointing the finger
I love that you mentioned False Rider and Erice Utsumi.
I don't think I'd find any of the curses to be to horrifying to be used as most are use at your own risk. Awesome lesson looking forward to the next one
It's sad that Rama and Sita can't be together.
CURSE YOU FGO ARCADE!!
Right RIGHT?!
ONORE ARUKEIDO!!!!!
you should do something on witchcraft. It's literally just fun magic and it's in the damn rules most 'mages' have a tough time with it. Also, I kind of find it funny (and a little bit overblown) that the definition of a curse is just anything that when utilized comes to the detriment of someone else. If that's the case, Excalibur is one of the strongest curses in the world. Anything the wielder points at vanishes from the world, never to be seen again. It seems like a curse is just ordinary magecraft whose applications as a weapon are so blatant we call them evil...for a strange form of comfort...?
I know a few curses F***, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep.
Great job Dai, this is one of those topics I don’t feel is covered or even understood near enough, especially considering the very nature of the holy grail wars, to include the corruption of the grail during the 3rd, and several cursed Mages such as Shishigo, and several known reality marbles.
Yay. More Magecraft lessons. This was something I needed
Thunder clap... That sounds like a stripper move.
That’s especially use by Tama Alter,the third of the Nine Tamamos.
Thunderclap is basically what you’d think it means. An instantaneous strike of lightning that the user can activate at will to paralyze the cursed victim.
It also one shot kill an opponent in closeup range.
It's also one of the hulk signature move. He clap his hand so hard to create shockwave able to destroy his surounding.
I still prefer JJK curses. It's only wicked because it's personal to the user. And its strength comes from the negative emotions of the user. By it's very nature it's an integral part of being a human not an active persute of maliciousness and The themes and story that can come out of that is amazing even if the user isn't characterized it's impassive and personal nature you can tell a lot about it.
Hmm... I somehow expected the thing Chloe's got that makes her share pain with Illya to be here. Is it not technically considered a curse or something?
I think it's in my next lesson.
@@otakudaikun Gotcha.
genuinly didn't expect fate/requiem characters to come up.
its one of my favorite Fate universes simply because of how great the world building is, and I would argue to say one of the more underrated works.
Curse aren't magecraft spells, magecraft is reenactment of a phenomenon through mystic means. In other words a mage pay cost in terms of mana to magic foundation in exchange for a phenomenon to manifest.
Curses on other hand don't cost mana ( but can strengthen with mana like like Rin's gandr) neither they can be described as reenactment of a phenomenon but curse are fate/destiny/luck manipulation like gae bolg manipulate causality and make it so opponent is destined to be stabbed etc. That can only be dodge if opponent has very high luck
You seem knowledgeable in fate lore. Would you happen to know the limitations of how to implement or cause curses?
@@matthewallen2273 That would be tricky. There haven't been any stories in the nasuverse dedicated enough to a plot that revolves around curses to really give us an explanation on how they work.
Honestly in the end this is just very minute differences that don’t qualify to every curse. The very fact remains that many modern magecraft is based upon curses. Zouken himself employs them, as do many other mages we have seen in the series.
@@lenleon3699 The reason the distinction is important is due to the fact that modern magecraft is built on curses. Demons in Nasu are simply curses with wills of their own and the 72 demon pillars are used to create Ars Goetia. This collection of curses is what allows modern magecraft to access foundations without the help of the divine and so the distinction is made.
Excellent work!
why is this 5 months ago?!
@@Ubelhardt Lessons in Magecraft is very far behind for the public episodes. If you become a supporter you can access a ton more.
There’s a Fire Emblem character who also has a lance called Gea Bolg. I’ve seen him in Fire Emblem Heroes but I don’t know much about him.
Jrpgs use all sorts of mythological names for weapons.
His name is Quan pronounced with a CH as in Chuan
@@tonyinfinite5174 Yeah I know, I went to check him out in Fire Emblem Heroes right after making my comment
Gae Bolg,Cu’s Only Rare Number Spear..Can be use as both blessing and a curse.
Somehow, it’s my first time hearing about Hassan’s Arm of Shaitaan. It’s quite weak considering Shaitaan is considered the origin of all evil and whisperer of wickedness.
Not necessarily, Shaitaan is also the generic title for evil spirits so it could just translate to "Arm of the Demon" instead of "Arm of the Devil".
HAHAHAHAH No its not. All he can litteraly create a replica of a servant or anyones heart and crush it thus almost like fictional voodoo killing the target
@@morrischerif9097 Which means that any servant that can see through his presence concealment, is faster than Hassan, or has instant-hit abilities can interrupt Zabaniya easily. Plus he has to make physical contact before it can even work which takes him out of his stealth mode.
Instant-kill abilities aren't perfect, they can be countered pretty easily and any servant with sufficient firepower and intelligence(or a master who can compensate for them) can take down Hassan as if he were nothing.
Cu for example had no right to lose his fight with Hassan. Gae Bolg is for all intents and purposes a better Zabaniya in pretty much every way but Cu just refused to use it before it was too late.
@@AsobiMedio I know. I'm just saying that Hassans arm is not weak. Plus its not meant to be used against servants. He's an assasin. Wait there have been servants who see through Presence concealment?
@@morrischerif9097 Yes, at weaker levels sensing presence concealment, isn't too difficult. Even regular mages can do it if they know they're being hunted ahead of time(and in a grail war you should really just assume this 24/7).
Granted Hassan of the cursed arm has the skill at A+ which does make it trickier. Still it isn't perfect. Servants and masters that know they are being hunted ahead of time are significantly less affected by this skill and high luck stats can sometimes see through it even before Hassan decides to attack(his E-rank luck doesn't help). This brings up the problem of actually using the skill offensively, the moment Hassan decides to make his move, his skill drops significantly(from the wording it probably lowers a full rank or two)/ Granted Hassan has A-ranked agility which can help with his quick in and out assassination but if his opponent had already set up defenses this becomes much harder.
From what I can see, Assassin servants are pretty much noob traps in terms of grail wars. They can instantly kill off inexperienced masters or unlucky servants relatively easily but experienced fighters even out the playing field pretty quickly. Servants with high Battle Continuation and protective skills would also give him a hard time...And then of course, we have the sword spammers like Emiya and Gilgamesh(or army summoners like Iskandar) which make stealthy strategy null and void the second they notice you.
one curse that would be horrifying would be seeing the death of the first person you see but it happens to you but you are revived and move onto the next death that you haven't seen before and it repeats until you experience every possible death
I absolutely love listening to these lessons video and honestly makes me wish stuff like modern fantasy was an actual thing. Though this is probably the wrong video to make this comment on. Lol
Those were uneerving, poor Angry Mango
Since you're watching a lot of these older ones, you might enjoy the 4k remasters more. Each "semester" covers 10 previous lessons with cleaner visuals.
@@otakudaikun NO WAY! so that's what the semesters are! I will check them out Lord Dai
Could you do a video on witchcraft. I don't understand how it is different from regular magecraft
Appreciate the efforts mate... Well done 👍
Curse is not taught by the mage association.
Most magus: *spams Gandr and Finn Shots
"the curse off king arthur"
EX rank
Info:this skill make any form of mídia in nasuverse, have at least 1% Artoria on the midia, this skill can even alter reality for just Artoria appear on a midia
Curses ... something-something ... BAD CIVILIZATION!
Great work as always, Dai!
If I were a mage in nasuverse, I would be one who uses curses and witchcraft..
Curse Abilities weakens your servant staff during various events of Fate Grand Order.
OtakuDaiKun would cast a curse onto you called "spoilers" if you watch this video without having already watched the HF3 movie.
Or the visual novel.
I wondered how curses worked in the nasuverse
We all saw what the Grail's curse did to Gilgamesh. Imagine what could have happened if the same thing happened to Saber.
I have a feeling Gilgamesh materialising physically is result of Heaven Feel. Manifesting spirit on physical plane.
Except this magic was partly corrupted by grail.
Thus Saber Alter has returned.
the greatest curse is the curse known as greed.... it cases the victim to crave in a compulsory manner all types of wealth and ressources, to hoard them for no reason, and to consume tjemselves in their senseless pursuit of welath, as well as evryone around them....
to be made the patsy in humanity's fallibility just so they don't have to take responsibility i cannot even. Angra Mainyu is in the lead for worse Heroic Spirit Backstory. who do you think is 2nd?
For the next lesson in megecraft can u go over the crail and the grails mud or the chaos tides
You really like the soundtrack from Deen/Stay Night. How do you feel about the adaptation as a whole.
It's apparently safe for copyright. I like the adaptation overall but still wish Fate got a full adaptation.
wow i thought kirie finger bullets were different neat
I think I've already wrote this, but can you do daemons or vampires (both DA and TA) some time?
Question: in fgo when you use a mystic code to stun an enemy are you cursing them? and strengthening your servents blessing them ?
I think it depends on the skill but some of them probably count.
@@otakudaikun yea I think the stun part is a curse since your using witchcraft to prevent the target from moving.
Curses are only fun when your not on the receiving end.
Do you need to have magic circuits to perform curses in the Nasuverse?
No, curses are fundamental to the Common Sense of Man and as such can actually be formed through a great enough intent and will. They can be caused simply by wishing misfortune on someone or by insulting them.
@@joshs5577 Cool thx for the info :)
Could upload the video about the Mystic Eyes, so those who are not members can watch it?
There's an order to these public releases.
Hey bro. Been loving your content and I just have to ask. How do you get your audio so on point? What's your audio cleaning process if you don't mind my asking?
I record in a closet to minimize noise. Mic placement is important. As for editing I first normalize the recording, then run a combo of EQ, Compression, and a Limiter. For the lessons I also add a small reverb.
@@otakudaikun YOU REPLIED! That's awesome, lol. I have recently started learning audio and honestly it makes me appreciate your videos all the more. Top stuff. I don't want to impose because you already replied but if there's a tutorial video you could point me too for this stuff that would be great! But your still great regardless. Love that your going into the lore greater detail.
@@everdream4200 I have a tutorial of my own but it's currently a $20 patreon/member exclusive. Here's a video that's probably even better imo. th-cam.com/video/Sgi_1-mQN4w/w-d-xo.html
@@otakudaikun Thanks you're awesome. I'll check it out.
Curses are just restraining orders in Rama's case
In a way yes, but in Rama's case its "screw you being able to be with your wife who loved you to the end"
NepSpartan - 759
Yeah, restraining orders that they both do not want
Magic sword
Pls mystic eyes
What if a person have ex luck will a curse still work?
Hello. Why don't you do a servant lore of mephistofeles???
Geass?
Otaku Dai Kun can you try Fate Lore of Nagao Kagetora
aside from Tiamat, who else has potnia theron as a skill? i figured only the beasts of humanity would have these broken abilities and skills
BB in foxtail does.
Pls when you gonna upload next video about fate lore
Do the lore of lostbelt
Salem comes out next week.
Dai kun could you please answer my question Can curses be removed and why don’t people use it more if they are so powerful
Yes curses can be removed. Depends on the circumstance though. Some curses can be broken by destroying the cause of killing the one who cast it.
@@otakudaikun but curses like Rama’s and karna’s can’t even though the caster is long dead
@@otakudaikun and why don’t mages use curses more if they’re so effective
@@otakudaikun and please last thing do curses affect the user in anyway like do they pay a price
@@otakuphoenix3635 Maybe all the good curses come from the age of gods.
Can we have lesson on mystic eyes
I already have one, but it is currently exclusive to paid supporters at the $1 tier.
How long has this series been going
Damn I'm not sure. Easily over a year by now.
Why dose this lesson seem so fast?
I dunno.
Honestly, this was the worse chapter by far. I guess you know little about it since all information about it is scatered about so I will take point.
1. All those subjects fall into what is called Witchcraft, a domain of thaumaturgy that operates by "recomposes the raw materials in one's own body" while mainstream magecraft could be defined by "recomposes what exists around". In it's foundation is extremely esoteric so it's ideal realm to dump all esoteric subjects such as methods to discern one's time of death, secret arts to obtain influence, methods to attain status and fortune (for men) and methods to gain the favor of influential individuals (for women).
2. This is also the reason BB and sakura's hollow element are ideal for this practice since they come down to "X", a hypotetical number/quality of potential indefinide, can be seen as the other side of the coin of AVERAGE ONE, that give supreme afinity for "recomposes what exists around". In a sense the possession of demiservants doen't differ from BB instaling godess in herself, being a mix of both branchs.
3. As Tamamo's exemplifies there is no fundamental diference between curses and blessings, being shaped by the caster's intentions
4. Clock Tower reject the subject for the same reason they do Runecraft, the dispersion of mystery makes it a unlikely path to the root.
I love your videos but I NEED to get you to watch some Irish people tell these stories so that you can hear how some words are pronouced cause it sometimes hurts when I hear you butcher the names! Oh and I dont mean this in a negative way cause I do actualy love your videos!
What names are the problem here?
@@otakudaikun The names of Diarmuid weapons and also his name! I'm very impressed with how your pronouncing has improved with some of your lore videos covering similar topics!
@@otakudaikun Diarmuid is pronounced like Deer-mid it's kinda a fast name! I actually used to think that the way you say it is the correct way but I hear a woman talk about Irish baby names and she corrected me. This woman is also Irish so I took her word over my own!
Keep up the amazing work!
The content itself is good but the way you pronounce your words, sounding almost uppity and better than drives me crazy. I know you're probably not meaning to sound that way but it's all I can hear and it makes watching your videos difficult for me.