I love this thing, I've had the Infiray version like 6 or 7 months. This is the spec level where Thermals actually become usable defensive tools IMO. I'm impressed enough by it/confident in it and the advantage it provides that it's on my HD rifle.
That thing is huge! Looking forward to seeing you compare it to the DRS. At what looks like about half the size and weight, I can’t imagine the DRS being that much worse in performance.
I think the DRS has a more efficient design with the thermal sensor on top, keeping the dot at a standard height, plus it has internal recording, that being said this is a 640 sensor and the DRS is only a 256 sensor, so it’s possible the extra horsepower the Infitac has needs the larger housing.
0:35 and 7:21 The thermal didn't pick up the heat from that person at what seemed to be well within pistol distance, until he got VERY close, then lost him again after he stepped forward just a bit.
This was a worse case environment where the ground and surrounding was actually hotter than the person. Triple digit day in south Texas. The dirt/sand was baking in the sun. You’re correct in that the optic didn’t initially prioritize the persons heat signature because of that reason. On the later clip once he stepped back into the shade it re-prioritized on him a bit more.
Right from the beginning, that turn knob will rub against gear and potentially turn and button will be pushed. If you keep you rifle on the sling and you are right handed) had simmilar issue with vortex spitfire 2 5x prism, so i had to create a physical barrier not to allow plate carrier and magazines to interact with on/off buttons.
Segmented brain, turned into a microchip, and put in a red dot, with one of those polorized screens on it I got this idea to where you have a helmet with a projected laser, that tracks your eyes to a given spot, painting a dot on it. Then, the gun, has a different color laser on it, sighted in, and you line the 2 up, and boom, no iron sights
I use FAH19 to shot to people at asg game in day and night from 6 month. Prefer fusion vision because in this i can find target and still check it's friend or foe.
Really looking for a review on their PG-25 NVG gen 2+ monocular. They seemingly have the best price on a gen 2+ monocular you can find (outside of the AGM wolf-14 which have terrible mounting options). Really interested in this company and their products.
And it's BARELY more bulky than my Eotech... As AI advances optics like this will get MUCH better at finding and highlighting targets. So cool to see this tech trickling down.
The only thing I can really complain about is the lack of internal recording, but maybe I care more about this because I make videos. A simple lens cover would also go a looong way for the user interface so you can focus on the thermal only mode.
You are correct. This does have a 640 core vs the 256 core of the holosun thermal. I plan to compare them side by side to give better data on which is “better”
The Holoyuan thermal is kind of shit. This came out first and is way better, an actually functional thermal sight with a red-dot function instead of a bit of thermal definition on top of a red dot like the Holoyuan. Both are incredibly niche accessories tho, most people are better off with a clip-on, but that's an entirely different discussion.
The core thermal sensor is what costs $$$…640 sensors are on the upper end in thermal optics these days. I have an AGM Rattler TS256 and it’s barely “good enough” for my use (up close with rats.). If I did it again I’d go 384 minimum.
you plan on testing out the Holosun equivalent of this? Would be interesting to see a comparison between them. Although I think the holosun isn't out yet and only a pre-order.
Is be curious to see how much it matters to the users users eye when looking through reflex optic and it exporting video. Ironically, the holosun with lower resolution is more equipped for recording; from what it appears
@@4MRRanch Feel like recording not that much of a big deal if it can make a unit run better or save money. Nearly every digital night vision and thermal camera has that which is funny. Only the FAH has the same refresh rate, so is a mystery why it doesn't have any recording function, designers didn't have enough space to slap one on.
I’ll be posting a more detailed video getting into all the controls, this was a very top level review on the performance and not necessarily covering user interface
This seems like a very tough sell over the Holosun. 2.5x the price. You get a better sensor with much worse form factor and worse quality of life. Seems like an easy win for Holosun.
In cqb perhapse, but when you will play outdoor game with asg replica like dmr 3j or hunting 640 sensor win. Second think screen is high so it's easy to use in cqb or with nvg device
I’d really like to see if the Holosun sensor can see the buildings at 3,000 yards away like this one did. I plan to compare them to put out accurate data for a better assessment.
@@4MRRanchI think anyone who is concerned with discernable heat signatures out to 3000 yards would probably have the money to spend on a dedicated long range thermal costing like $10k plus. A non-magnified thermal red dot is likely only to be used relatively close range. The people who have the money are buying professional stuff and the people who don’t have the money should buy the Holosun imo. Thoughts?
@MrAirsoft6mm to my eyes it looks like you could put a magnifier in the back with unity mount . At 5x 500-800 should be doable, and detecting 3000 yards would be an insane advantage
No, but basically this exact device was offered by Steiner for $10k not long ago, and holosun is coming in at under $2k, so although not in a budget price range, the technology is slowly becoming more affordable.
I plan to compare them. This has a 640 core sensor, but I see some potential advantages, such as form factor, to the DRS. That said, I’m excited to see where optic technology is taking us
Noted. Being honest, I didn’t like it after it was uploaded but it takes many iterations to get a video that TH-cam doesn’t kick back, and sadly this is the version I got stuck with lol
BNC -> 3.5mm or 2.5mm 2 pole connection into a RC drone racer DVR... It has an internal battery and is way smaller than the HDMI adapter. We did this with a SkeetIR thermal. This device seems to be a dead on arrival at its price point, brings nothing new compared to exsisting systems. Dosent help that thermals are primarly used by predator hunting or airsofters, kinda the same reason why clip on overlays like COTI are super "unpopular" or just normal weapon mounted thermals with firearm owners. Very unlikely to used by LE or Mil users.
I’ll have to check that out as an option, but lack of internal recording at this price point is still very frustrating for those that want to record their shoots, hunts, or use this professionally with on board mission recording.
Valid, if it offered cost savings may be a decent option to add. It is kinda cool to record your hunts tho, or use as a mission recorder if in that line of work
It’s ugly and looks like one of those cheap Chinese optics found on Amazon. It’s also heavy. However, I love innovating products like this. Also, that BNC connector is probably SDI which is the gold standard for professional video transmission, and most professional equipment, such as professional video recorders/monitors are going to have SDI ports on them. SDI has many advantages over the more consumer focussed HDMI.
Yep, not a budget optic. Which makes the holosuns price that much more impressive, but the Steiner version of this is $10k so a drastic reduction in price compared to that
They rebranded this product. All current production will be marked as “Infitac” and they requested I refer to the new name, but I agree the existing name would have helped with views/recognition
These kinds of optics are in their infancy. The technology isnt that great , more of a proof of concept. For 4k lol lol fckin egregious AF, id just run the iray rh25 for the same price but way more features
I think this optic has some improvements needed still, but the Steiner version of this is 10k meaning a major cut in price. So the tech is headed in the right direction
These modern thermals are such a rip off. I used to pay 1200$ for a 32 inch 720p television in 2007, bought a 55 inch 4k 1080p t.v. for 750$ a few year back and they're even cheaper now in some cases. Digital technology is so much cheaper than 20 years ago in so many aspects but the thermal market is run by greedy mfers. Seriously these guys arent making analog image intensifier tubes in a laboratory for the cost to be as high as it is.. Its digital technology the prices are being overinflated for the amount of advancement in digital technology over the years.
I don’t completely disagree from you, but thermal censors in general are a more specialized technology. The comparison to TVs isn’t comparing apples to apples. TV tech has dropped in price in part because it’s common use with dozens of manufacturers placing market pressure on eachother. Thermal is more niche, with more expensive components required, a more specialized computational system/programming, and doesn’t have nearly the same market pressure as TV tech due to less competition on that space.
Your comment is raft with ignorance of how thermal sensors are made and trying to apply the monetary power of volume production of a technology that is not sold at high volume. Sorry but they are factors apart in how many are made. If made in the same volume as cell phones, they would be cheaper than most low-end line of scopes. Your analogy has a few holes in it.
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This is a way better form factor than the cursed Holosun sight, also bonus for covering your entire image with your warm c-clamping thumb.
The sensor sits well above the height of your hand
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I love this thing, I've had the Infiray version like 6 or 7 months. This is the spec level where Thermals actually become usable defensive tools IMO. I'm impressed enough by it/confident in it and the advantage it provides that it's on my HD rifle.
Thank you for the amazing video!!!
Happy to do it, hopefully more to come!
That thing is huge! Looking forward to seeing you compare it to the DRS. At what looks like about half the size and weight, I can’t imagine the DRS being that much worse in performance.
I think the DRS has a more efficient design with the thermal sensor on top, keeping the dot at a standard height, plus it has internal recording, that being said this is a 640 sensor and the DRS is only a 256 sensor, so it’s possible the extra horsepower the Infitac has needs the larger housing.
@@4MRRanch that would make sense. I guess I’m curious if the 640 performance is that much better to justify the extra cost and size & weight.
@@VincentTacticalyes it is worth the cost when you get into detection range and clarity
Always solid reviews! Thx hombre
Many more in the works! Thanks for watching.
Great review! Thanks!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
0:35 and 7:21 The thermal didn't pick up the heat from that person at what seemed to be well within pistol distance, until he got VERY close, then lost him again after he stepped forward just a bit.
This was a worse case environment where the ground and surrounding was actually hotter than the person. Triple digit day in south Texas. The dirt/sand was baking in the sun. You’re correct in that the optic didn’t initially prioritize the persons heat signature because of that reason. On the later clip once he stepped back into the shade it re-prioritized on him a bit more.
This was a good and true real world test(s) liked and added :)
Thanks for watching
Right from the beginning, that turn knob will rub against gear and potentially turn and button will be pushed. If you keep you rifle on the sling and you are right handed) had simmilar issue with vortex spitfire 2 5x prism, so i had to create a physical barrier not to allow plate carrier and magazines to interact with on/off buttons.
Segmented brain, turned into a microchip, and put in a red dot, with one of those polorized screens on it
I got this idea to where you have a helmet with a projected laser, that tracks your eyes to a given spot, painting a dot on it.
Then, the gun, has a different color laser on it, sighted in, and you line the 2 up, and boom, no iron sights
I use FAH19 to shot to people at asg game in day and night from 6 month. Prefer fusion vision because in this i can find target and still check it's friend or foe.
The fusion mode is also my preference. Really cool technology
Fascinating that it does sdi out. You could use a black magic ultrastudio and go directly into a laptop or use a recorder with an sdi port.
Really looking for a review on their PG-25 NVG gen 2+ monocular. They seemingly have the best price on a gen 2+ monocular you can find (outside of the AGM wolf-14 which have terrible mounting options). Really interested in this company and their products.
And it's BARELY more bulky than my Eotech... As AI advances optics like this will get MUCH better at finding and highlighting targets. So cool to see this tech trickling down.
Very cool for $4kish
It’s hard to do it justice on camera, but a pretty nice device to the eye
That’s a lot of cables, but lots of plus!
Mo cables mo problems
I hope this is a good one, recently cancelled my holosun DRS thermal had been waiting since January.
It’s good, but by no means perfect. I’m sure they will only improve these kind of optics with time
Seems like they are vastly overcharging for an unfinished product.
The only thing I can really complain about is the lack of internal recording, but maybe I care more about this because I make videos. A simple lens cover would also go a looong way for the user interface so you can focus on the thermal only mode.
nice.. It's looks awesome. but the price is wild when there are other brands with thermals for five hundred. lol
This has a 50 hz refresh rate on a 640 sensor. The other models out there don’t have the same specs. Steiner makes a $10k version of this.
@@4MRRanch It's pretty sweet. I'll wait a few more years; these things are about to come way down soon, across the market
@@calholliIf the developed world survives the next few years...
So, how expensive is it in Ford F-150s? Is it two F-150s or three?
It’s about one 1998 F150
4K!
It’s twice the cost of the new Holosun thermal
You are correct. This does have a 640 core vs the 256 core of the holosun thermal. I plan to compare them side by side to give better data on which is “better”
The Holoyuan thermal is kind of shit. This came out first and is way better, an actually functional thermal sight with a red-dot function instead of a bit of thermal definition on top of a red dot like the Holoyuan. Both are incredibly niche accessories tho, most people are better off with a clip-on, but that's an entirely different discussion.
The core thermal sensor is what costs $$$…640 sensors are on the upper end in thermal optics these days. I have an AGM Rattler TS256 and it’s barely “good enough” for my use (up close with rats.). If I did it again I’d go 384 minimum.
Maybe ATN will pick up the slack and produce an affordable overlay optic. They have pretty good NV.
@@SitNSpinRecords ATN’s 5th Gen is really nice in my testing thus far, it would be cool if they try this style of optic for a competitive price
Also how about rifles with fixed front a2 sight?
is this actually holographic or just a red dot?
Red dot
you plan on testing out the Holosun equivalent of this? Would be interesting to see a comparison between them. Although I think the holosun isn't out yet and only a pre-order.
Yes, I’ll be doing a dedicated review and a comparison to this
PSA do not use thermals for airsoft without alon or thermal-transparent lens protectors
Is hot, so is comparable to the Holosun thermal, but the FAH25 actually has a 640 sensor resolution vs Holosun having a weaker one.
Is be curious to see how much it matters to the users users eye when looking through reflex optic and it exporting video. Ironically, the holosun with lower resolution is more equipped for recording; from what it appears
@@4MRRanch Feel like recording not that much of a big deal if it can make a unit run better or save money. Nearly every digital night vision and thermal camera has that which is funny. Only the FAH has the same refresh rate, so is a mystery why it doesn't have any recording function, designers didn't have enough space to slap one on.
LIKE YOUR SCREW DRIVER😂😂😂😂😂😂
Drop test when?😂 That one attachment point to the rail will play a bad pivot joke when that optic lands on thermal sensor side.
Yours is iray marked and on the website its different are these rebranded iray products ? I like iray and agm products for thermal
Infitac is a recent rebranding for the tactical arm of infiray (as far as I understand it)
they made it where u need to tape it up? no off button? also confused by left is both up AND down?
I’ll be posting a more detailed video getting into all the controls, this was a very top level review on the performance and not necessarily covering user interface
Hi, not a waterproof USB-C port ???
Why on earth did they only use 1 lug on such a large and heavy sight? I don't see that holding zero well.
cant u go from unit to pc using the usb end? or hdmi to pc no recorder needed?
I don’t typically bring a computer with me to the range or when hunting..
This seems like a very tough sell over the Holosun. 2.5x the price. You get a better sensor with much worse form factor and worse quality of life. Seems like an easy win for Holosun.
In cqb perhapse, but when you will play outdoor game with asg replica like dmr 3j or hunting 640 sensor win. Second think screen is high so it's easy to use in cqb or with nvg device
I’d really like to see if the Holosun sensor can see the buildings at 3,000 yards away like this one did. I plan to compare them to put out accurate data for a better assessment.
@@4MRRanchI think anyone who is concerned with discernable heat signatures out to 3000 yards would probably have the money to spend on a dedicated long range thermal costing like $10k plus. A non-magnified thermal red dot is likely only to be used relatively close range. The people who have the money are buying professional stuff and the people who don’t have the money should buy the Holosun imo. Thoughts?
@MrAirsoft6mm to my eyes it looks like you could put a magnifier in the back with unity mount . At 5x 500-800 should be doable, and detecting 3000 yards would be an insane advantage
$4,000
Not for the budget shooters
No, but basically this exact device was offered by Steiner for $10k not long ago, and holosun is coming in at under $2k, so although not in a budget price range, the technology is slowly becoming more affordable.
This gives such a fallout vibe. Say hi to dog-meat!
This tech would be useful in fallout!
Take my moneys
It's looks like a long and lanky cousin to the drs
I plan to compare them. This has a 640 core sensor, but I see some potential advantages, such as form factor, to the DRS. That said, I’m excited to see where optic technology is taking us
Never never use this background music again please sir for the love of all the little things never again
Noted. Being honest, I didn’t like it after it was uploaded but it takes many iterations to get a video that TH-cam doesn’t kick back, and sadly this is the version I got stuck with lol
lol 😂
Im glad I came across you comment. I knew I wasn't the only one
BNC -> 3.5mm or 2.5mm 2 pole connection into a RC drone racer DVR... It has an internal battery and is way smaller than the HDMI adapter. We did this with a SkeetIR thermal. This device seems to be a dead on arrival at its price point, brings nothing new compared to exsisting systems. Dosent help that thermals are primarly used by predator hunting or airsofters, kinda the same reason why clip on overlays like COTI are super "unpopular" or just normal weapon mounted thermals with firearm owners. Very unlikely to used by LE or Mil users.
I’ll have to check that out as an option, but lack of internal recording at this price point is still very frustrating for those that want to record their shoots, hunts, or use this professionally with on board mission recording.
What is the cost?
$4K for this version (684 thermal core) $3k for the 384 base sensor
What are the core specs? Example- 160, 256, 384, 640, etc.
This is a 640 core, their FAH19 is a 384 core
4 grand
Nothings the future until its cheaper than holosun . 🤣🤣
Please use ounces. We live in America, we don't use the metric system 😊. Thanks for the video.
Point taken. You have my word, customary units from here out
@@4MRRanch I prefer my weight measurement in hamsters. Please modify future videos to suit my needs.
@jigglyjames29 Hamsters are an official US Customary unit.
Banannas are the primary weight system in Haitti. Hence the Bannanna Republic!? 🍌🍌🍌
1 gram = .0352 ounces.
Or, simply divide gram weight by 28.35 to get approximate ounces.
1 gram = .01 hamsters
1 hamster = 100 grams or 3.5 ounces.
Can they just make one with no video recording. Save on money and weight. I dont need to record anything in SHTF.
Valid, if it offered cost savings may be a decent option to add. It is kinda cool to record your hunts tho, or use as a mission recorder if in that line of work
Was gona buy this but bought a car instead..😂🤣
But you could have this and simply walk everywhere
It’s ugly and looks like one of those cheap Chinese optics found on Amazon. It’s also heavy. However, I love innovating products like this. Also, that BNC connector is probably SDI which is the gold standard for professional video transmission, and most professional equipment, such as professional video recorders/monitors are going to have SDI ports on them. SDI has many advantages over the more consumer focussed HDMI.
Only $4k.
Steiner CQT is $10k..
u need more wires and cables....lol
At this point wouldn’t make it too much worse lol
THANKS FOR POSTING ON RUMBLE. FIRST COMMERCIAL WAS DOMESTIC TERRORIST PROPAGANDA AS ALWAYS ON TH-cam!!!!!!!!!
Not good, but if you see ads that at least means TH-cam is still leaving an ad on a thermal optic video.. for now
$3999
Yep, not a budget optic. Which makes the holosuns price that much more impressive, but the Steiner version of this is $10k so a drastic reduction in price compared to that
$4000 is nasty work. Hard pass.
The same kind of optic was $10k only a couple years ago. The technology is coming down in price, the this is definitely not a budget option
@@4MRRanch You’re breaking trail for us poors. The more reviews you do, the cheaper and more capable they get.
“InfiRay” not “INFITAC”
Might help your views with the correct name.
They rebranded this product. All current production will be marked as “Infitac” and they requested I refer to the new name, but I agree the existing name would have helped with views/recognition
lol you payed 20 for a usb c cable I payed 3 bucks for a quality usb c cable.... what is going on?
USB c to hdmi. Never said I got the cheapest option, just said I tried a more direct cable to eliminate adapters.
$4k pass
Not cheap, but the Steiner version of this is $10k which has me hopeful the technology will continue to become more affordable
@@4MRRanch Holosuns thermal is $1500 and NV is 1200
These kinds of optics are in their infancy. The technology isnt that great , more of a proof of concept. For 4k lol lol fckin egregious AF, id just run the iray rh25 for the same price but way more features
I think this optic has some improvements needed still, but the Steiner version of this is 10k meaning a major cut in price. So the tech is headed in the right direction
Great review, thanks ! A bit expensive for hunting raccoons but must be really efficient !
It’s by no means a budget optic, but Steiner made a very similar optic for $10k, so the tech is coming down in price
These modern thermals are such a rip off. I used to pay 1200$ for a 32 inch 720p television in 2007, bought a 55 inch 4k 1080p t.v. for 750$ a few year back and they're even cheaper now in some cases. Digital technology is so much cheaper than 20 years ago in so many aspects but the thermal market is run by greedy mfers. Seriously these guys arent making analog image intensifier tubes in a laboratory for the cost to be as high as it is.. Its digital technology the prices are being overinflated for the amount of advancement in digital technology over the years.
I don’t completely disagree from you, but thermal censors in general are a more specialized technology. The comparison to TVs isn’t comparing apples to apples. TV tech has dropped in price in part because it’s common use with dozens of manufacturers placing market pressure on eachother. Thermal is more niche, with more expensive components required, a more specialized computational system/programming, and doesn’t have nearly the same market pressure as TV tech due to less competition on that space.
Your comment is raft with ignorance of how thermal sensors are made and trying to apply the monetary power of volume production of a technology that is not sold at high volume. Sorry but they are factors apart in how many are made. If made in the same volume as cell phones, they would be cheaper than most low-end line of scopes. Your analogy has a few holes in it.
Great review! Thanks
Thanks for watching!