Caverna: The Cave Farmers Gameplay Runthrough

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  • @sanmasensei
    @sanmasensei 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was always on the wall about Agricola (especially for solo) but this video has convinced me to go for Caverna. Many thanks

  • @patrickdejarnette1778
    @patrickdejarnette1778 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The counting at ~2 min was crazy! Sounded like an incantation. But I really like that you even gave some information and link about alternative video channels that others might think of as "competition" but it shows your passion. Thank you!

  • @M1st3rB3nn
    @M1st3rB3nn 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the playthrough, you did a good job of getting through all the details and keeping it flowing. Also I loved your "practical special effects" splash screen at the start!

  • @boilard10
    @boilard10 9 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I like the way you speak, quick. too many people talk like they were speaking to a 4 years old child in those kind of video. I mean, its a video, if you missed something you can always go back

    • @boilard10
      @boilard10 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      j boilard im still thinking about buying this game or not, agricola is my favorite game but its not always easy to find players, I think caverna is awesome but a little more complex so it will make it worse, am i wrong?

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      j boilard caverna is defininitely more complex, no doubt about it, but agricola is the more challenging game to do well at

    • @HaunterGM
      @HaunterGM 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +j boilard I agree with you on finding people to play agricola with. When I even mention the game, people think you just brought up a memory of their elementary school bully for the first time in years.

    • @jonofpdx
      @jonofpdx 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +j boilard Agricola's okay. Prefer Caverna as it's just a little cleaner playing and (I think) a little easier for new players. There is more stuff RIGHT at the beginning but I would actually argue that once you get going it's an easier game to play. It's just so much easier to feed that there's not the same level of new player frustration.
      If your looking for a solid euro farming game have you tried Scoville? A little different mechanically but I've found it a big hit with players that see Caverna and are a little intimidated.

  • @rahdo
    @rahdo  9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Erik, for the last year, i've started doing static cam versions of my runthroughs :)

  • @Alluvian567
    @Alluvian567 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are getting really good at the camera control while playing and explaining. I can't imagine that is easy at all, but you are doing a great job of it. Liked, subscribed, clicked the things.

  • @TheRecurrence
    @TheRecurrence 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Don't slow down, great pace! Kinda wish you were even faster :)

  • @njshaw2
    @njshaw2 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great run through. I love the pieces - the little ore, stone, wood and rubies etc are beautiful!

  • @granpsycho
    @granpsycho 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was an awesome video explaining everything. Congrats! Cheers from a Brazilian tabletop friend!

  • @rahdo
    @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yup, holding the camera with my left hand, playing with the right. can make shuffling tricky :)

  • @TRez5000
    @TRez5000 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was really looking forward to this, but I didn't expect this playthrough to show up so quickly!
    Thanks!
    BTW, did you find out if it's ok to use resources found in an expedition to build furnishings?

  • @PeterThammasatit
    @PeterThammasatit 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, this is the simple version?

  • @Acquireboy
    @Acquireboy 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 31:10, you actually get a pig if you build a stable on one of the two +Wild Bore spaces, just like clearing it to a meadow, or plowing it as a field.

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      that is true, and I believe I demonstrated that in the video :)

    • @thevoxdeus
      @thevoxdeus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rahdo You did not. You said that if you ever got a wild pig, it could go in that stable. Acquireboy pointed out that not only could you store a hog, but by building in that space you'd immediately get the hog to put in the stable.

  • @rahdo
    @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    there's a link to it in the video itself, but i've now added it to the show notes also! :)

  • @humfreylegge8218
    @humfreylegge8218 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Run-through starts at 3:30

    • @davidjablonski3996
      @davidjablonski3996 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's more like 7:00 where he really starts

  • @nickvandam1214
    @nickvandam1214 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I might actually like this one better if not for the theme. I like the integration of the abilities and the rooms, and the greater ability to select a different path to victory. Also I really like change in components, tiles over cards. But Farming as a theme is more engaging to me. Thanks for the Runthrough, it helps me decide on which one to get!

  • @Blazur
    @Blazur 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This game looks incredibly fun. I've now elevated it to my must have list.
    Too bad it's stupidly expensive.

    • @JamesOrr81
      @JamesOrr81 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, but look at all the BITZ.
      300+ wooden pieces for animals, resources and dwarfs
      60+ acrylic nuggets for ore and ruby
      16 game boards
      16 punchboards with over 400 pieces
      30 cards
      1 score sheet
      1 rulebook
      1 appendix

  • @tamponslayerify
    @tamponslayerify 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video it made the game less daunting to explain to others and now I have to start saving my pennies.

  • @drendelous
    @drendelous 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am thinking about buying either Caverna or The Colonists. My friends like playing epic games, but for now, regarding prices, I am more into Caverna. It will be our first 'peaceful' game where there is no need to hurry to save the castle or think about how to spoil the other player's paradises. But I do like the way The Colonists develops the more you play. So will it still stay desirable having got Caverna on the shelf?

  • @whothennow24
    @whothennow24 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It seems like every time you play this game, you can stick with your favored strategy, or basically the strategy that worked each game before it, and that there is therefore little variety in gameplay; in other words, that playing a full game one day could play very similarly to how it plays on another day. Is that the case? The same could be said of Orleans, that you have a favorite strategy that you like to pursue each and every game, but that often doesn't work out because of the randomness of blindly drawing people from a bag, which limits what you can do and what strategy you can follow. Caverna looks fun, but that's the one thing that worries me, that it can always play the same way each time. Is that the case?

  • @prevelat
    @prevelat 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Actually i think there´s an error at 12:43, you can´t do the first action unless you can make the second, otherwise you only do the second, just like it´s explained by FAQ in Agricola´s manual
    PS: i know this is an old vid but if this is my first time watching maybe there´s more ppl like me, and you could advise that this move is against the rules =(

  • @joeldalangin2427
    @joeldalangin2427 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a die hard Agricola/FOTM fan, but I just started playing Caverna and it's really great. I don't miss the cards from Agricola, which is probably why I was terrible at it😀

  • @peteredstrom3681
    @peteredstrom3681 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great video! Made us up and running a lot quicker :)

  • @josephgarcia1161
    @josephgarcia1161 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have not played Agricola and have only dabbled in Caverna. My wife does not like games with big learning curves and so im looking more at Caverna as a good choice. I hear what your saying about the "heart of Agricola strategy' being cut from Caverna. So what would your thoughts be on a Caverna optional set up; Instead of placing all the furnishing tiles on the board available to everyone you would randomly deal out all tiles evenly to all players. All players keep the delt tiles secret and are the players personal store of furnishing tiles to use during play. Long term strategy can be built from those tiles.

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joseph Garcia honestly i can't say. i've already traded the game away. but if i did still have it and i had the time to test variants, i think i'd go with 1) using the sides of the tile boards that hold fewer tiles and 2) randomly choose which special tiles will appear in eveyr game, so the setup is always a bit different

    • @jonofpdx
      @jonofpdx 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Joseph Garcia Or just wait a bit. I would guess that Caverna's first expansion will address this as it is the most common complaint.
      Beyond that, though, you can try randomly dealing a couple tiles to each player and allowing them to start with one of them (returning the other to the board) + one animal and veg of their choice. Allows for some early direction as people try to get resources to work with their starting tile/get animals to start breeding. It further trivializes the food struggle, though.

  • @vegasraab
    @vegasraab 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks great, only thing that worries me is the lack of occupation cards. That always made the games of Agricola highly replayable (if not always balanced, Lover I'm looking at you!). Our favorite way of playing was 3-4 player Farmers of the Moor, mixing in several card sets, drafting both occs and minor improvements.

  • @actionhanz3420
    @actionhanz3420 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    so can you use the stone you picked up during the adventure to furnish that room the very same action?

  • @simonjrobinson
    @simonjrobinson 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agricola looked good, but Caverna looks WAY better!
    I really want this now :D

  • @decakjeisaozasuncem8843
    @decakjeisaozasuncem8843 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this game is so much better than agricola

  • @FMD-FullMetalDragon
    @FMD-FullMetalDragon 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I so want this game... looks so good and fun. :) Thank you for the runthrough.

  • @becksterh1
    @becksterh1 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This looks great. You missed a couple weapon upgrades on your adventures. Lots of choices.

  • @famaral42
    @famaral42 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Rahdo, nice videos! I really like they you explain/runthorugh the games. I have a doubt. In 16:50, you consider "Ore Mining" because you gain 3 ores + 2 ore since you have a Ore Mine. But The Ore Mine you got on this same turn. You really can do that?

    • @famaral42
      @famaral42 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      and at 28:58 you could get 3 items in adventure. You first get a stone to use it to furnish. Is that possible?

    • @PauloRenato23
      @PauloRenato23 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      regarding the Ore Mine, why do you think he couldn't use the Mine? He built it in the first action and he said then that "From now on" when he mines for Ore he gets +2... and it makes perfect sense that it would work that way

    • @PauloRenato23
      @PauloRenato23 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Regarding the 28:58 question... it's possible, you receive the Expedition loot in the order you want, so he can get 1 stone, then he can use it to furnish... etc... do the rules say anywhere that you can't use things in the Round you acquire them?
      Also, this video is almost 4 years old, if that was done wrong it was a safe bet that it would have been noted already :)

  • @sanmasensei
    @sanmasensei 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    always wondered how do you film these ? Do you hold a camera, phone or wear a head cam ? :)

  • @EgeTunca
    @EgeTunca 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    so could you use the stone you got on the adventure to furnish?

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yup i checked and didn't see anything that disallowed it...

    • @EgeTunca
      @EgeTunca 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thnx for the feedback :) And the great gameplay.

  • @hi-us6do
    @hi-us6do 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quick question. On a 2 player game, do you skip round 9 entirely or just not reveal a new action? If you skip it entirely, I don't see the reasoning behind that.

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      sorry, i haven't played the game for a few years, so i don't remember...

  • @freejunk2
    @freejunk2 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    just curious, how much was this at essen?

  • @rahdo
    @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes, i would say that's true... there's so much stuff avaialbe - more like Le Havre in that regard :)

  • @HaunterGM
    @HaunterGM 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any interest in playing Feast for Odin, Rahdo? Micheal Wißner recently filmed a playthrough and it was fantastic.

  • @otakusan2003
    @otakusan2003 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I purchase a copy in the states?

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว

      don't think it's available yet... you can preorder it on several sites though...

    • @MrNb22
      @MrNb22 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      Played it last night here in Texas, so it is available in the states. Keep lookin and good luck, it is really fun :)

  • @thevoxdeus
    @thevoxdeus 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Meh, could have picked up wood on the expedition instead of the stable and built a room worth 3 VP for 7 resources vs getting 0 VP for 6 resources. Doesnt seem like an empty stable is ever going to generate enough economy to be equivalent to 3 VP by itself, but maybe?

  • @rustencel
    @rustencel 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sure Agricola has ton of different card options, but feel the cave options are pretty plentiful as well, and like Agricola's cards, they likely will come out with more if game sells well enough. Personally like Caverna more, for one because I don't like the fact that getting a lucky card draw can give you such a huge advantage in Agricola. Another reason is don't like the have to do everything at least a little part of Agricola as much as the open feel of Caverna.

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      in our experience, there's no such thing as a lucky draw letting you win in agricola, because we play with the draw 10, keep 7 rule (as mentioned in the rulebook). since in an average game you're only got to get to play 4 or 5 cards, the draw 10/keep 7 pretty much guarantees everyone's going to have a fighting chance.
      the "agricola requires you to do everything" is a myth, btw. i posted at length about it here: www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/1w7bhb/what_are_your_thoughts_on_the_meta_game_of/cezdnv8

  • @neoces4252
    @neoces4252 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    delightful video

  • @trudilm3864
    @trudilm3864 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dogs can't watch sheep on fields, just meadows.

  • @TyphoidBryan
    @TyphoidBryan 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    MiWi is cool. He got me into Targi.

  • @branchman8047
    @branchman8047 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for a great review!

  • @lordsplodge
    @lordsplodge 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've played this three times now and own it. The wife after two plays said it's a great game. However it isn't a replacement for Agricola, so I'm with ***** on this. However unlike Richard I think this is a better two player game for me and the wife because it's less punishing.

  • @GlaucoTabet
    @GlaucoTabet 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rahdo, hello again!!! I think, just like agricola went through some expansions, caverna will have some kind, perhaps an entire copy dedicated to Occupations and some other tweaks.. If that ever happened, would your opinion towards the game, as in comparison to agricola, change? Nice job mate!!! i just got this game and really want to play it.
    I heard so many mixed opinions about Agricola that i was afraid to buy.. but last year the released an IOS App(which won best app board game of the year) and i bought... wow i was amazed to play such an intricate mechanics with the theme, and the struggle to survive the hard times... Brilliant, and i agree with you, the occupations and vital to keep the game fresh, and very very tactical, i dont know how Caverna handles this, but if the player doesnt have a variability (beyond the randomness of the rounds cards) it can get very much strategic...WHat do you think?

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      i'd say they're both strategic games... caverna just has 3x the number of major improvements (which are always the same) and agricola has the occupations & minor improvements.i'm sure caverna will get expansions, definitely, and that will probably help significantly with the variable setup. only question is, will I still own caverna by that point? answer is, I don't know... :)

    • @bbblackwell
      @bbblackwell 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Glauco! I saw one of your older posts about looking for solo games and was wondering what you came up with. What are your favorite solo games? I'm a solo gamer too and thought we could share our experiences!

    • @GlaucoTabet
      @GlaucoTabet 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Brian, thanks for replying! I'm very glad to share and trade my experience with you. Im not a long time board game player. Been in the "field" for 2 years only, in Brazil things are getting hotter now, with many games being published round here.
      My favourites solo are LOTR LCG, i love deck building games and LOTR theme... so it is very easy to love this game. Through the years the game got better and better, with excellent quests and really good alternatives for deck themes and etc.
      Mage Knight board game is excellent, really hard to master... i've spent hours doing the solo conquest. once i played standing up through an entire game that lasted 4 nd a half hours... i was totally sucked into it and didn't notice the hours flying..
      Agricola for IOS has gotten into me, i really like it.
      Other games i would mention are Nations, works really well for solo. Robinson Crusoe is a very good adventure game, really hard solo mode.
      Legendary is good, but to be fair, i like with more than 4 people. I will think about it a little more, but those are the things that usually hit my table.
      I also play a lot of video games when im alone. I don't have a preferred media :).
      What about you?

    • @bbblackwell
      @bbblackwell 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glauco Tabet Lima Ah, good to hear from you, Glauco! I play video games across multiple platforms too -- PC, emulators, PS3, 3DS. I've played phone and tablet games but they tend to disappoint over time. I don't have IOS so I miss most of the board game apps.
      LOTR LCG is a favorite, though I'm working through it slowly in order of release (on Khazad-Dum now). I'm thinking of picking up the Hobbit saga. Mage Knight has a unique feel that I enjoy, but it doesn't get much play because I don't have the necessary block of time and I can't leave it set up overnight (kids will eat it for breakfast). Same with Arkham Horror, though I really like the mood that game creates.
      Haven't played Crusoe; seems like it would be another big, long game that I'd have to quit before finishing; how long does it take you to play? I have Friday, though, and it's a good game to bring with you on a trip if you can't pack big games. Adventure of D is another one that serves that purpose, and I also have the Ascension 2-player apprentice set that you can play solo using the "Nemesis" rules.
      My favorites right now are Shadowrun Crossfire, Marvel Legendary, and Legends of Andor. All of the co-ops I play using 2 players, but with Crossfire I will even play 3 or 4 -- it's very easy to manage. That's probably my favorite game right now.
      Barbarian Prince is a free print and play solo game that gives a great experience, if you're not scared off by the fact that it's an old school storytelling pencil-and-paper tabletop that refers often to charts and tables.
      What games are you considering next?

  • @gamerpip493
    @gamerpip493 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Agricola 2: Electric Boogaloo

  • @lfeng1008
    @lfeng1008 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    People say you talk too fast... I watch at 1.5x

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      it took a bit of training my brain, but i watch at 3x now (using the "playback rate" chrome plugin)

  • @jwspiker
    @jwspiker 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    just wish this game didn't cost so darn much.

  • @deadly_embers_6296
    @deadly_embers_6296 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where's Michaels page?

  • @rahdo
    @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    good point! :)

  • @jigawattgg
    @jigawattgg 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The price at Spiel was €60.

  • @rahdo
    @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    i believe it's ok to do it yeah :)

  • @Mifoi
    @Mifoi 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agricola 2... hmmmm interesting! Thank you! :)

  • @adamheeley285
    @adamheeley285 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So sheep look like sheep, pigs loo like pigs, and people are ....discs??? why would they not make them meeples. I dont get game designers these days...

    • @thoventhegamer1526
      @thoventhegamer1526 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Because they needed to put the weapon discs on the dwarves.

    • @bobdole8830
      @bobdole8830 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. There are other ways to add the weapon level

  • @knehren
    @knehren 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sequel? I'd say Cave Farmers is a prequel to Agricola... :)

  • @stephanegrimard2687
    @stephanegrimard2687 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The woman on the cover look like Jen in her top 10

  • @NeilBlaiberg
    @NeilBlaiberg 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doesn't seem nearly as punishing as Misery Farm

  • @windyhillbomber
    @windyhillbomber 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss Malta

  • @matimon
    @matimon 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not a native english speaker so I am unsure of this, but, Is "Dwarfs" a proper english word? Shouldn't it read "Dwarves" ?

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think either is acceptable, though dwarfs is more likely to be the plural of peal world small people... :)

    • @aliasbrush2
      @aliasbrush2 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      'Dwarfs' is the traditional plural form of 'dwarf'. The term 'dwarves' was popularised by JRR Tolkien, and is now the most commonly used term in fantasy settings. 'Dwarfs' should still be used outside fantasy, however.

    • @matimon
      @matimon 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's like they say: "we learn something new every day". Thanks for the clarification

  • @rahdo
    @rahdo  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    if i could get one, i'd use it, but i'm not a member of the illuminati apparently...

  • @LordRixuel
    @LordRixuel 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    dang. this game is expensive and it's huge o.o

  • @jumpbox92
    @jumpbox92 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    do a walk thru of Virgin Queen

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      not very likely to happen, sorry :(

    • @jumpbox92
      @jumpbox92 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      :( oh well. Thanks for the ones that you do, do; they are very well done.

  • @anthomastran
    @anthomastran 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Coming up next, Radoh's micro machines review! I say you should try for the Guinness cup in 2015. [ th-cam.com/video/TzbUPfoveok/w-d-xo.html ]
    Seriously, this kind of playthrough was exactly what I was looking for, I thought the freecam was excellent for zooming in on details on the fly and being able to produce the whole video yourself and just get the video playthrough done in ~36 minutes.

  • @freejunk2
    @freejunk2 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    you should move to google glass then you can have both hands free!

  • @basslover1100
    @basslover1100 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • @mrsun9775
    @mrsun9775 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like an Agricola copy paste.

  • @Ubernt
    @Ubernt 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tried to learn this game with this video and it was hard. You explained so many other things and did not exactly try to go with the rules.

    • @rahdo
      @rahdo  9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Ubernt just a warning, i'm not trying to teach anyone how to play. i make these runthorugh to learn what the game feels like to play, so they can decide whether to buy :)

  • @johnhughes9075
    @johnhughes9075 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    slow down your speech. It would help. Less is more.

  • @ErikJohnRichter
    @ErikJohnRichter 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Descriptive and helpful, yet painfully difficult to listen and watch! Please compose your thoughts and talk slower! Also, is it possible to stabilize your camera? The shaky video makes me motion sick.

  • @mtgrocks04
    @mtgrocks04 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    dude I like you but you have got to slow the heck down...

    • @josephgarcia1161
      @josephgarcia1161 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      LOL I hear you but I think that's why he is liked so much. He runs through it. I find his hyperness and go to it approach just great.

  • @mrsun9775
    @mrsun9775 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like an Agricola copy paste.

    • @kreamowheat
      @kreamowheat 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Its actually a combination of La Havre and Agricola. The main complaint with Agricola that players had was the amount of moves wasted on food and how tough it was to get it. That was fixed as was half a dozen of other pain points. That's why many call it Agricola 2.0. You could say that about countless other games. Cards against humanity is apples to apples with an adult theme or dixit is apples to apples with pictures, Thunderstone is basically dominion with a few enhancements, Shogun is basically wallenstein. Eldritch horror is basically Arkham horror with streamlined mechanics, etc, etc....