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Over a year after the Porsche 992 rolled off the Zuffenhausen production line in Carrera S and 4S specification, the new generation 911 has at last grown - albeit downwards, with the introduction of the base Carrera.
The 992 Carrera S may have won awards in the motoring press in 2019 (sports car of the year in both the US and UK), but some owners have commented the 450hp car might just be too much car for roads in the real world.
The entry-level 992 Carrera may just have the answer to that criticism: it has less power, less tech, less weight, and costs £10,000 less. The question is, which of these rear-wheel-drive 992 models makes for the best 911 driving experience on the public road? I find out with a head-to-head test of the C2 and C2S on greasy, wintry British B-roads…
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Anyone notice the running time for the video is exactly 9.11 checky checky HAHAHA
They planned making it 9.92 but then ...
Lol nice catch
Good spot!
Synchronicity
Yooo
If you can afford you base 911, you’re already winning in life!
I have driven my 992 C4S since Oct 15, and have put over 5,000 miles on it. This car is a beast! I have the rear steering option, PASM, front camera, etc. I have driven it in a rain storm from hell, and in heavy snow, and ice covered roads. I have snow/ice dedicated tires and nothing disrupts this car. Best car I’ve ever owned, and I’ve been driving 911 cars since 1984 (that was with my ‘72 T).
Fantastic to hear you're getting on so well with the car. The 4S does offer a much better 'all-rounder' experience to the 992's repertoire, I'd have one over the C2S just for the extra composure (read: grip) as a daily driver).
How did you decide between 992 C4S and C2S? Have any of your previous models been 2 wheels drive and you found them lacking?
I have owned a lot of AWD Subarus and have been thinking of coming up to a Porsche recently, and I’ve been wondering if a C2S will work in all weather conditions, or should I stick with a C4S for weather conditions? I was thinking RWD might be fun for a change, but I worry about winter conditions a little.
Really enjoyed your POV on this, added real intel to a well covered topic already.
Awesome video and comparison. Good work guy!!!
Very nice and detailed review. I am in the market for a 992. I think I will go with the carrera s. I test drove the base carerra but it's exactly what the reviewer described it as relating to throttle input. Thanks man!
never seen this guy before. he could quite possibly be one of the better cars guys out there. SUBSCRIBED !
Before even starting to watch the video I like how it's length is 9 Minutes 11 Seconds 9:11 :)
You really improved the vidéo quality and content. Thank You.
Thanks indeed for the feedback!
Besides not getting the option of a manual, you also can’t get the LSD for the base Carrera, which is a shame! That’s what made the 991 Carrera T so appealing - base engine, little bit less sound insulation, a proper manual and your good old LSD.
ty for this. you are the first for comparison
The video lasts 9:11, good
All of his videos do :)
But why
I've been watching a lot of UK car reviews lately, and I've discovered something about your country: it's perpetually bloody raining.
Yup, only way to stay green!
Unfortunately you're correct!
Nope stereotype
Haha no shit sherlock
Great review ,im deciding between a base 4wd and an s
I do understand the less grip thing good point.
Interesting review.
Brilliant video buddy!
Thank you Charlie!
Good review.
Excellent video I love 911’s!
Just bought the base Carrera Cabriolet 3 days ago. Slowest car I’ve had on 7 years. It’s perfect. It’s fast through the corners and revs beautifully and I don’t find myself constantly hitting brakes right after acceleration that you get with the sub 4 second cars that I’ve had. I think it’s either the base or the turbo S if you want the top of the line or you track your car.
You aren't hitting the brakes sooner in a car that does 3.5 vs 4.0 lol.
@@willscurran don’t be a smart arse little willy
@@willscurran Seems suspicious lol
Brilliant explanation of the two thanks!!
Brilliant explanation ??
I’ll bet his dad reached back and smacked him every time they took a trip in the family truckster !
Is the suspension on the standard Carrera much softer than that on the S?
Very interesting!! Thanks
I like how the video is 9:11 long. There's no way that's a coincidence. I just got my 992 Carrera S a few days ago btw. Nice review!
Thanks Lee. I've never seen a back-to-back comparison of a Carrera and a Carrera S before, well done. I'd also choose the manual trannie, but I'm not sure about 7 speeds. Cheers Peter
I'm looking forward to trying the 7-speed manual in the 992, it sure need to be improved over the 991's effort. Here's hoping.
Ya quisiera tener cualquiera de los dos, y de preferencia con caja de velocidades manual y con los frenos más baratos.
I believe the carrera s car had the sport PASM while the carrera car had normal suspension. That might have explained for the differences in handling
Couldn't agree more, my 'old' narrow body with manual and just a few light extras is all I ever need, son of original 1963 principles, ie, light, light, or 11!
Have you driven the Cayman S? It feels a lot like my old 911.
I'm sure the Carrera could be easily tuned for more power than any reasonable person needs for the street.
Yeah honestly for most people the carrera models are as much power as you really need. Anything more and it starts getting scary driving it hard on the streets.
Very nice comparison lee. Was behind one yesterday and they do have a big old rump shaker!
Maybe a 992t will be the sweet spot?
As is, i will hold my 981 spyder . 4 years in and nothing has turned my head to replace it yet...
Thanks David. They are rather large, aren't they! I'm hopeful a 992T will be a really good car, hopefully with more weight removed than the 991T had. Please, Porsche!
Litchfield will remap the Carrera from 380bhp to 503bhp & the Carrera S from 444bhp to 572bhp for £1200....bloody amazing👍
Shame about your warranty
Ye I think given a choice, Carrera does make sense actually.. whats your opinion on Carrera vs Carrera4 though.. for UK kinda climate.. is wet mode enough to combat rain and snow?..
Which light interior is on the base Carrera. Looked like the Chalk but that was a black wheel and dash, not slate/grey. Was it the Iceland Green. Love to see more about that.
Very interesting review I’ve ordered the new 4s in coupe and cabriolet guise with all options
I've been postponing decision to get 992 because I wanted to check out the base model, and it turned out all that I wanted it to be it. Less powerful and high tech, maybe not raw but more down to earth. Got a silver one without any performance enhancing options and a few leather upgrades - the last time I was that happy with a car was 911.1.
With 991.2 S I felt the car was a bit too far from what 911 have been so far, too close to a precise track machine and Turbo.
Recently did test drives of both of these cars and honestly the harsh ride of the s model I did not like on the other hand the base had sport chrono and in sport plus mode I had a blast and kept thinking are we sure this is only 379 HP the overall experience was better in the base model
in my opinion, if you have enough budget get the S, if you don't get the base model, it doesn't have less fun, just have to have sport chrono
Just to make it clear, you aren’t a fan of the Pirelli’s but on the Carrera on those conditions they did track better than the Goodyear’s on the Carrera S?
Great review and comparison. Absolutely agree about the factory fit Pirellis - really poor tyre choice for the 911... even in the dry. Michelin Pilot Sport 4S deliver vastly superior all round performance.
longevity
I agree, I drive on them here in the Netherlands and I am surprised how much grip the Pilots have in the wet cold weather we have. I don't even change them in winter which admittedly isn't that bad here.
Bought a carrera 4 for like 15k less then the equivalent S model, tuned it for 1000 euro to 515hp. Drives like a damn dream! Edit: that includes transmission tuning too.
Where please ?
On the white carrera S, what type of black is the rims, Jet black, High gloss black or Satin black, thanks?
Does base and S have the same exhaust note? (With the sports exhaust package)
You didn’t notice the lack of torque vectoring diff on the base model?
Took delivery on the 1st 911/992S delivered in Dallas. It’s truly awesome. Had a 2013 911.
Hope you have good fun with it, Bob!
Love this guys voice
Reminds me of David Beckham
👌
Unfortunately the conclusion was as clear as fogg
Are the calipers the same on the base? I know the rotors are slightly smaller but do they use the same calipers? 6 piston in front, 4 in rear?
I'm sorry but I disagree with your consensus of "Because its the entry-level spec don't spec anything on it" mentality. Sport Chrono is a must-have on any Porsche. Let alone a 911.
No such thing as a must have. When buyers opt for any car it is their choice to add options or not. Their money, their decision.
And i say the sport exhaust is a must also .
@@HIOP0 I agree, only the opinions of the ones who can actually afford it matters. If I have the money, then I’ll spec it however I prefer it. Don’t tell me what’s “must have”. Not even the sales rep will talk like that. If you take a look at some of the videos/posts made from real 911 owners, definitely not all of them has the sports chrome package. Hell, most GT3 owners don’t even take it to the track.
I skipped sports chrono on my base. SA said it wasn’t worth it and I agree. People I know who have it, use launch control like once
@@reginaldjackson6204 I have it on my 911S, and it’s more than just launch control. It adds easy access to sport, sport plus on the steering wheel, a beautiful clock gauge in the center, and most obvious, the launch control. I’d like to emphasize the first point, the sport and sport plus button on the wheels have been so incredibly useful then clicking elsewhere. I use it everyday, and multiple times. Sure, launch control is used once every few weeks, but to just minimize the package into one single feature (which I believe is still amazing to have regardless of how often I use it) is not doing it justice. It’s a sports car at the end of the day.
Nice vídeo!
Unfortunately, as you point out, unless Porsche give us a new 911T, you’re sort of stuck with an S if you want a manual gearbox. Damnit.... they always find a way to make things difficult.
Thanks!
My pleasure John!
I’m trying to decide, should I replace my 991.2 manual for a 992 PDK, did you think the PDK on the base was any quicker than the 991.2 manual??
Probably the wrong time to sell right now
I’m a huge air cooled porsche guy (own 2 of them and feature them on my channel) and am giving some thought to adding a 992 as a daily driver.
I am hesitant bc I am concerned that the more modern 911’s lack the soul that the older cars have. I know that’s the case with modern BMW’s and am thinking that would be the case with modern Porsche’s.
Admittedly, though, I haven’t driven one yet. Might be a good first step.
Anyway, good video as always, and you’ve provided good food for thought. 👍🏼
YEs man I feel you. I have a 992 (since september) and to be honest its a GREAT car but its almost too good. I don't enjoy driving it as I did my 991 GTS. The car is great but lacks soul IMO.
@@doctorj7112 this is bang on.
If you're looking for a fun, modern, comfortable daily 911 driver, have a look at a 991.1 or 991.2. you can get a 991.2 GTS for very similar money to the 992.
@@doctorj7112 u need to get a 200 cell catalyzer in to release the soul.
What is he saying? Don't go for options like crono that add to the experience because it's not the essence of the car 🤔 Do want you want with your own car
I love Porsche.
What's the gearing like for the manual 992? Is the annoying longer gearing only saved for the Cayman? Was it the same story for the 991-era manuals as well?
Details on the manual 992 are very sparse for now, though the 911 has always had famously longer gearing as they're built next to the Autobahn.
@@9WERKSTV wow OK I thought that was only something that beset the Cayman manuals? The 997 manual always felt pretty perfect to me!
I think the manual transmission only in the Carrera S is another smart move for Porsche! Altough that modern trend about how much more involving it is than the PDK. I’m pretty sure the auto is the best selling option by far. So, as usual for Porsche, if you want something different you have to pay for it!
Actually, I'm pretty sure the manual is a $0 option. I just checked the configurator.
Did you notice any differences with traction between the base and the S? I know that the 992 base doesn't come with PTV+ or a limited slip differential (which the S has).
Yes, I wrote more about this in this month's Total 911 magazine (issue 188).
If u want to experience similar 0-60, much better torque and better exhaust, with much lower price, u can go for c43 coupe.
Automatic gearbox on the base is a deal breaker.
Very interesting, cheers, I'm wondering about resale though, I know it's a real shame we have to think about this when buying but it seems that the non S cars are harder / slower to sell...?
some of the carrera' are selling for high 90s very good resale but tbf they lack miles but theres a few that have done a couple k
Why would you want less grip?`
Would u say this applies to a base macan and macan S. .?given the basic is 4 cylinder and macan S is 6
No idea on Macans, sorry!
You just don’t need an S anymore…! Pointless… Get a Carrera with a nice spec’ instead.
My config for the 2023 S model came to 142k and the base came to 125k both with Aero Kit. Not sure which way to go.
At some point, a money decision kicks in…….or maybe not.
When my wait for an allocation hit about 2 + years waiting on a C4, I was given the option of a C4s or a C2.
I went with the C2 and optioned it quite nicely for just under 130K.
Does it lack power ?
Well, I’m an old guy…..but I lived through and owned a Ram Air GTO, 69 Z-28 Camaro, 69 427 Corvette…..etc.
This is……FASTER !!!
No, I don’t believe it lacks power…….
Which interior is the light interior in the base Carrera?
Black/Mojave beige
+1 sub. Great content!
I just put my deposit down for a new 911s 992. It’s in the adventure green, pdk, Carrera s wheels in satin glosss black, sports exhaust with tailpipes, door. sill lighting, leather steering wheel, inside two tone burgundy red leather. I got the basic lights but they seem good enough and have the dot matrix too, reverse parking cameras, side mirrors reclining and interior ambient lighting. I am so stoked. It’s my forst porsche. It is an 18 month wait list. I don’t mind waiting to get the “perfect” spec car…. For me in anyway especially since I have some budget “constraints”
I basically met my budget. I was thinking about going for different wheels and the sunroof which would have added several thousands. That’s the thing with Porsche, every single option costs extra. You could effectively add 60k worth of option if you wanted to go all out on an S.
I am very interested about your thoughts in what the spec I outlined above. I am asking because you seem to be very knowledgeable about 911s. This being my first one, even after research, I was getting conflicting views and positions. Any thoughts, both positive and negative are welcome.
If you should have a little bit of time to give me your thoughts, it would be highly appreciated.
Why is less grip better on the base model??
Because it has less power also.
Base Carrera---for guys who can barely afford asny of the 911's and where buying a "Carrera (base)" is a huge stretch. The "Carrera S" --I t hink is for the buyer still kind of on a "duget" or can afford any 911 but doesnt see any point in gettinga 4s, Carrera 4s GTS, GT3 or Turbo S....for a car that will spend 100% of it's life on city streets driven by someone with "average STREET driving skills".... The only 2 911s to consider IMHO are the base Carrera andd the S.
If we REALLY think about it....what IS the point of all the "race-oriented TECH" put into more expensive 911's and Supercars?? These are STREET cars. driven on less than ideal roades next to drivers of varying skill....less or more capable cars, trucks....how many guys out there buying these cars answers to the name Michael Schumacher? Race in Indy or F1 or GT.... ??
Most of these Supercars and high$ sports cars are driven on city streets with pot-holes, cambered roads, gravel, grease, broken glass.....there are no ""road race flat city roads...that are maintained"...to that level. :) So for those guys buying the flattest widest peformance tires...heh....waste of money there too...actually end up giving worse handling e.g. low profile tires that are "too firm"...on cambered roads... where the roads raise up in the middle...heh
Funny....most men growi up dreaming about one day owning that Ferrari....only to realizze (mabye) that they are piontless in their hands on city roads. :))j Most drivers of Poecsches will drive them no different than as they would a Fiat 500 :)
Lee, confused by the comments on the tyres. Was it the Goodyears or Pirellis you didn’t like. And why do Porsche stick the big wheels on their press cars?
This 992 comes from the factory, standard, with 20” front and 21” rear. Believe me, there is NO shortage of rubber on standard delivered 992 cars!
Ron Stopfer the S comes with those wheels, the base Carrera comes with 19s and 20s as standard. As Lee points out in his video.
It's the Pirellis I don't like. I think the PR cars have to do a job of simply looking the best they can, it's why they're always specced to the hilt. In this case going with the standard wheels would have been preferable, though, as I believe it's crucial to what the 992 Carrera is all about.
That Nine Eleven Guy. I am a bit biased. My base 997 Carrera was on 19s when I bought it. I got some 18s with winters and preferred the ride and lower road noise, so have swapped my summers for 18s now. I think that the higher sidewalls are much better on British roads, particularly for a daily. I am sure that I am missing out on some ultimate grip, but do I really care if it’s nicer to use for more of the time?
But a PDK without Sport Chrono isn't living up to its potential, right?
What options for £10 k would you specify on the base Carrera
sports design sports exhaust sport chrono paint it all adds up
"We won't be using SportPlus Mode in interest of a fair test"! When the whole point is to see what really seperates the two! What one doesn't have it doesn't have! Don't be bias... The "S" means something, so just run the comparison
Wrong I'm afraid, buddy. Sport Plus is optional, to both the C2 and C2S, so using it on one and not the other means it's a leg-up and not one that's unique to the S model. Cheers.
That Nine Eleven Guy correct. Sport chrono w/ sport+ is offered on both. SC wasn’t on the base which was odd. A 911 w/o SC is a travesty!
Only downside of Porsche is no good exhaust sound example like on Ferrari or Maseratti but This one sounds slightly better than other Porsches
I am planning to take the base Porsche. Not because of the price, but simply because I find the differences to small to upgrade. Especially in the era of tuning. I would spec the base completely sporty (Aero kit, wheels, etc) and flash tune it for an additional 60hp and 90nm just for 500 pounds. Looks the same, sounds the same, drives the same and costs less. What do you think? Thanks.
CARBONELLA CARBONELLA Just don’t tell Porsche that you’ve caught on to their little game lol both have a 3.0TT.. and the base has a more NA response at boost compared to the S. So a tune would put it at S level power without the lag. Cheers!
Did you learn anything by watching this video? An interesting/crucial question to be answered is; is the lack of PTV noticeable?
Hi, yes it is. I write more about this (and the S's optional rear axle steering) in this month's Total 911 magazine, issue 188.
No one is going to buy a 911 without Sport Chrono. You'll be hard pressed to find a dealer that carries one ... so you really needed that on the base model.
Super!!!
Yeah, fck that not being able to get a manual on the base Carrera. Porsche needs to remedy that ASAP.
And forget Sport Chrono too
I uploaded a video of the same car but cabrio doing OFFROAD lol
Dude that was you?!
Some german news showed your clip
U are too materialistic if u think base 911 is a poor guys car
Jist of the story is less is more.
video duration 9:11
Now 911's and the options are grossly overpriced. They are using "covid" excuse way past its expiration date and the ship that sank with Porsche's on board. So they "can't produce enough cars" which isn't true. We're being played. Walk away for a year or two and they will again get reasonable
Maybe quicker. I was ready to buy one. But I don't have to have one and the prices need to come down a little before I will buy. It's principle at that point. But I think you sold me on Base Carerra. Stick shift is slower. To me I want to go fast and be able to hold a drink at the same time. PDK for me. Maybe Carerra T but none of them until Price declines some like
$10-20k
It’s lost the curvy body.Its lost the Porsche ethic, of course its faster and has more bells and whistles.The rear end is industrial,two pipes and a load of plastic. The VW intervention is so apparent. I have the 997 and I went to the 992 launch at Porsche Nottingham. I parked my car next to the 992, initially I was impressed and then you see the dimensions,it’s a sporty Panamera.
Gary Lodge yes the same impression a Panamera two seater 🙈I have a Porsche Cayman the first generation 987 12 years now and 150.000 miles on it the first designed caymans have the best looks the last classic Porsche and the 997 is the last classic 911 😉
They should have left that band of lights and fat ass for the 4s and turbos and put separate left and right lights on the others with proper exhaust tips. Cayenne has that same ugly fat rear end. It looks like they are copying Lincoln. The 2015 and later models looked perfect. My 991s looks better and closer to the 997. I used to have a 9974s.
@@paull3179 I’ve had my 997 for 7 years now and I have have been very tempted to change to the 991, particularly the gen 1 pdk non turbo. The last Porsche built 911. For me the 992 is too big and bulky and the rear end has lost its aggressive feminine curves. It’s a VW now.
I sold my 9974s in August and just bought a 991.1 S pdk a few days ago and I am enjoying it much more. Very refined and the tire noise is gone. Feels much quicker and the sound is excellent with the sport exhaust off or on. The audis all all looking the same too now. My old S4 looks better
The steering wheel is on the wrong side :)
Great comparison. IMHO Porsche have now gone too far away from their original DNA on the current 992. Turbo engine and a wide body on a standard Carrera!!? :( Long live the 997 gen 2!
If you can afford a 911 just go for the S
Lol you absolutely miss the point...my little whale blubber sandwich
Base Carrera for rental car companies & girls.
Carrera S for the Boys.. Simple 💯💯
thats a rather cute statement Jason !
So, get a Tesla?
Don’t be so silly.
Audio sucks.
The audio is perfectly fine
@@samharper5881 I thought so!
Audio is fine
Audio is fine. You, unfortunately, have a hearing defect.
chipmunk voice
The non S is for those who just wants to own a 911 .. skip it and get the S
Nope..it’s actually for the driving enthusiast in the real world...who actually wants fun and engaging drive