@Wanderbike Anyone who thinks a 125 is more environmentally damaging than an equivalent ranged battery bike is off their head or can't do simple maths. I own a Grom (MSX) among my little collection and so far since new its never been below 100mpg - thats with a 23 stone ape on it hammering it mercilessly (yes I look ridiculous on it and get all the jokes about losing it up my backside but its brilliant fun). Its one of the most simple to make and least energy intensive to produce vehicles yet it can still do over 150mpg if ridden normally in town and going from history its likely to still be running 50 years from now unless poorly modified. Just to break even from a co2 pov for the battery alone on a Zero I was looking at, you would need to make the Grom then ride them at least (presuming that 100mpg worst case) 228,000 miles. Then you would have to have parity on recycling both and since there is no mandate and almost no recycling of li-ion batteries in practice thats even more. Thats presuming the battery on the Zero lasts 228,000 miles, of course. Better 125s than the MSX are available (though none more fun imo - try one if you want a laugh).
Fair... fooking... play mate! That's some serious effort! Between the bike, GoPros, Cardo and phone, I bet you were really sick of battery by the end! Watched the updates on Instagram, so nice to see the vid too. Also kudos on making different content 💪🏼
The shite range makes an electric bike totally unusable for me and my riding needs. Great video and I really appreciate the effort you put into it. YOU ARE A LEGEND!
Davinci bikes & the Evoke 6061 address that with 250 mile range and even 15mins for 80% charge. It's coming... all new technology starts expensive & gets stupid cheap (with way more features), very quick. Where we will be ripped off, is in the charging... or they'll just introduce pay per mile for everyone but more expensive for ICEs.
Just checked the up to date new Evoke 6061. City range is 410 miles on one charge' Mixed range 307 miles. 0-60 in 3 seconds. Top speed 125mph. Charge time at maximum charge rate 30 minutes (CCS2 90kw charger) But on a domestic AC 3.3 kw it would take 12hrs (a domestic 7kw obvs half that) Price $24,999 USD... about £20k but no doubt with import and paperwork costs to add in the UK. It's early days & if there's a demand the market will provide.
You are a brave man, Bruce; I think what you're doing would be my kind of hell being constantly anxious, so good on you, wishing you a good safe journey. Thank you for the entertainment, you do put yourself through it for your viewers. Thank you..
I`ll wait until they come up with something similar to an alternator. Fair play for putting yourself through it for our benefit Bruce. PS, you`ve lived in England for that long now, You`re classed as an Englishman. 🤣 welcome aboard my friend.
45 minutes fill up every 55 miles. Oh, boy. Electric is very much the Tortoise rather than the Hare. Bruce does this so we don't have to (thank goodness).
Buddy, been looking forward to this one, it did not disappoint! I followed along on all your IG posts and stories. Thanks for doing this. What a mega idea for a video series. Looking forward to Part 2🔝🎬🎥 Hopefully EnergicaUK will be joining you on the podcast! Grab a brew on me 👍🏻
Seems to be very worrisome to me.. Worry about running out of charge, worry about giving it too much stick and losing charge, worry about finding charger that is working and available, worry about battery temperature.
@@makomadeira5799 I think you might be right if the power grid will support the additional electrical vehicle charging. Recently state government California officials had a week or so owners of electrical vehicles were told not to charge their electric vehicles because of the electrical grid could not support the charging.
@@makomadeira5799 I'm not real sure about the cause of California power shortage other than higher demand because of the hot weather. Perhaps the first deadline should not dates to stop ICE production but the first deadline should be to create the necessary infrastructure to supply the increased demand for power.
I got rid of my electric car after my first long journey, its great for local trips and commuting, but a trip to Cornwall and back from Liverpool and I was done.
Balls of steel there for taking this challenge on. Fair play and full credit to ya. It’s a valuable challenge for showing the reality of electric bikes and the issues of charging. I think you said early on in the vid, a bike with a bigger range would have been a better choice if one had been available. Excellent vid 👍
Fine for around town, or a shortish commute, but as a long distance tourer that's tedious, and not even that cheap. This week I got 215 miles out of my Yamaha T7 for £20 worth of Shell V Power Super unleaded.
TeapotOne, My hat is off to you for having the endurance to ride for days with only 40 min stops to sleep out in the open, and in any kind of weather. I would love to do this ride on my Zero DSR, except at a much slower pace of 300 miles/day or less, with time to get a good night’s sleep every night. I also would take a day or two to sightsee at several locations.
Been looking forward to this after watching the Instagram posts and chatting about it the other day. I still think you are absolutely nuts.... as were Energica by not loaning you their new bike for it! Can't wait for part 2.
I can't see the amount of chargers rising at the equal rate of people buying Cars/Bikes. Infrastructure is a joke. Brilliant video exposing all the pitfalls and frustrations. When I ride I want to free my mind.... not add to th worries and drama of everyday life. Great Video as always. (Bike used is a huge no-no for me.)
This is a great view into the next step of motoring. I must admit that I will be there kicking and screaming before I give up my internal combustion engine. great to watch, great channel. 👌👌👌
Hi teapot , given the choice I rather go round the uk on the sinnis terrain 125 , and In all honesty I’d enjoy it , but the electric bike I’d have thrown it in the bushes and walked home , I can remember doing 900 miles in a day once on a Honda blackbird at obscene speeds , and didn’t ride or look at the bike for a week , I was totally fried ,your a brave man doing it on that , the waiting for a charge , while been ,cold and exhausted must have been beyond mind numbing 🏍🏍👍👍
We already knew that you are hardcore but you have the patience of a saint to do this! It’s a shame they didn’t give you the latest bike as the added range would have done you better. I think I’d have spun for home after the first 3 or 4 charge stops. Great videos, thanks 👍
biggest take away is there is a lot of money to be made selling/installing charging stations to restaurants/pubs, to give people a place to sit down and order a meal/snack while they are waiting for the charge to finish.
I just watched this video I really admire your patience I think at Lands end it would have accidentally rolled over the cliff into the sea, if I ever have to pack up my Kawasaki z1000sx because they decide to stop selling fuel, I will pack up riding, infrastructure is crap.
Jeez. Fantastic effort. Got a vw EV and I didn’t realise how much less range there is in the bike. On a similar journey I would only have to charge every 150 miles to keep between 20 and 80%. I’ll stick to my GS for a bit longer, Bruce. Love the channel.
Great challenge I'm impressed.Maybe you do it again in three years time to see how the infrastructure has improved. My opinion is that you will take longer.Great vid, cheers.
Been driving fully EV cars for 10 years and this video is spot on! The network is patchy at best, I actually found it less stressful 10 years ago. I enjoy using an EV within one battery charge range, and I can charge at home for 1p/mile……..but longer trips take that different mindset you mention Bruce, and that’s not for everyone. I use numbers and physics daily in my job so constantly reassessing range/efficiency etc is something I enjoy 😬🙄🤣. EV motorbikes I like the idea of but we either need 5x battery density or 10x chargers (and not just on motorways). Can’t see me swapping from the GS to one of these for a few years. Great honest review Bruce. (And finding apps/cards etc on a motorbike seems more of a PITA than a car, and it’s bad then)
I agree with this. I’ve had an EV for 3 years and in a car it generally works ok provided you’re prepared to plan on longer journeys. We’ve used ours for plenty of holidays and it’s been fine, however it is more stressful now than a few years ago as there’s a lot more EVs and it many more chargers! I wouldn’t swap my bike yet though. For me it’s a limitation of packaging. I can only assume that the necessary battery management for proper fast charging takes up a lot of space or weight. If the bike charged at the same speed as the average 100kw car it should only take about 10 mins to charge, but it’s obviously much much slower than the charger can provide
Not only the patchiness of EV charging points and distance per charge.... but am I missing something? Current petrol prices it costs me approx £18 to fill up and I get an average 75 mpg = 180 mile range approx Going by TeapotOne's video that's 3/4 charging points (from £3.30 to £6.??) - say £4.50 per charge = £13.50 or £18.00 .......which means there's little if any cost savings* unless you just use your EV motorcycle from home on every journey. *And that's excluding all the time wasted/stopped waiting for charge.
@@philhunt9297 Yes, that’s about right. Again, not really an issue in a car as you start the day with 200-300 miles so rarely have to charge away from home (assuming you can). If you typically commute or just go for a sub 100 mile Sunday blast on a bike it would be super cheap / almost free but public charging is expensive now
Spot on there Phil, but a comparison on my GS works out differently. I spent around £165 on charging to cover 2,300 miles. I get around 180 miles to a tank on the GS which costs from £32-£40 depending on whether I use 95-98, so let’s go with the cheaper. That means to cover the 2,300 miles I’d need (2300/180) = 13 tanks of fuel at £32 a go, equals £416 Electric - £165 Fuel - £416
You can tour on an electric bike but as you have said you need a different mindset. In August I rode all the way around England on My Zero S. I went all around the coast and followed the border of Wales and Scotland. I had a few weeks off work so was in no rush, unlike this trip. My goal was to spend nothing on fuel which I achieved. I covered 2,153 miles in 11 days. Average daily distance was 196 miles. Charge stops numbered 43. The average charge duration was 50 minutes. My Zero only has level 2 charging so no CCS and the maximum it can charge at is 6kw so I charged exclusively at Tesco stores where it is free. One downside of all that charging was that I drank 30 cups of tea and 15 lattes over the course of the trip, plus multiple bacon butties.
Bruce you have a LOT more patience than me. What an absolute faff electric is!!!!!! I could not do that, having to stop so often is total madness. Well done to you Sir !!
Hi Bruce, listening to the last couple of Pod Casts you did on my way to work and back, listening to you talk about this challenge really puts what your frame of mind was like on this ride, would recommend anybody that watches your channel listen to the Pod Caste to. Great video mate, and of course brilliant Pod Casts to.
Looked at buying electric car in Wales before discovering Wales has 4% of all the charging points in Britain, decided the infrastructure not up to the job, didn’t buy. Love your content and your tenacity to keep going through whatever, best of luck.
Quality video! As another viewer mentioned below, this is what we watch TH-cam for! And what an amateur move by Energica to not lend you an Experia. It's a bit like KTM not appreciating the marketing value of the first Long Way Round series;) Would love to see a next version of this massive challenge in 2, 4, 6, etc years from now💯
"Go electric because petrol costs too much" Electric prices risen and continue to rise, I knew this would be the case. Over £3 for less than 40%. Remember when it was less than that for 100% charge on a tesla 😳🤔 thanks for the real world testing, seriously strengthens my rejection of electric vehicles.
Electricity is only much cheaper than gas if charging at home and commuting or riding within your home sphere (100-ish miles). Long distance riding, like long distance driving an EV, is comparable to gas. But you don't buy these for lower gas prices (that's just a nice side effect). You buy these for performance.
Wait and see how much it will cost to charge when the price goes up again . The latest touring electric bike cost £27k ,if you have a petrol bike you can buy lots of petrol for that .Go electric and be part of the next rip off.
@@johnedwards4176 and when the Battery fails you throw it away. I have a 125 , its does 130mpg and if I went electric I would never save any money , you are spot on.
This video is the best reason I have watched why electric vehicles are just no good for long journeys. You spent around 5 hours just waiting for the bike to charge. And the cost of charging was ridiculous. I just bought a Royal Enfield 350 Meteor, it does 100mpg.
Well done Bruce, admire your grit and determination, I think I'd have got bored/ pissed-off and binned it. A really great 'real World' demonstration of electric bike use over longer distances. Of course you'll have to repeat the whole thing on the Experia when you can get one so we can see the difference 😂😅😂
having to deviate from my preferred (usually twisty b road) route, the anxiety of wether or not i'll make it, stopping when the charge says not when i want, or the charger is in working order when i get there is a step too far for me and not what i want from motorbiking. things need to drastically change before i even consider one, but i still enjoy watching the experiences, however it usually just reinforces my views. GL
Well done Bruce. Such a revealing vid. I have a friend who has a Ribelle from English Electric, and he rode down to Barcelona in December ! However, this is exactly what is putting me off buying an electric car let alone an electric bike. Significantly higher upfront cost then ICE and then high cost to refuel more often. Fine around town, and when charging at home, but pants for doing any distance. The UK charging infrastructure just isnt there yet. UK petrol stations should already be transitioning to electric. Updated thought……We have seen electric cars on the market now from all the major car companies, in fact some have several options. We haven’t seen the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers jumping in yet have we? Why not? It seems to be mainly specialist start up companies, apart from HD of course. Motorcycles maybe just don’t have the physical size to carry long range batteries.
Well Bruce, what can I say?……..you’re off your trolly! Great video though. I’d thought about an electric for commuting, but the cost was just too much for me, so I’m still commuting on my R1200RT which I love. I think we’re a long way off with the electric bike being a true replacement, although they do look good fun. Looking forward to the next episode :)
A really great review of the practicalities of using an electric bike with today’s woeful infrastructure. EVs used to be cheap to charge but no longer. The ever increasing cost of electricity, particularly to business, ie, public charge points, means it’s now cheaper to fuel an ICE engine.
Pure entertainment Bruce, very funny and informative. Couldn't you have strapped a petrol generator on the back and ran it as you rode along? You just get better and better!
To be fair, the future is likely to see us all getting a lot less done in our short lives, while we are waiting for our motorcycles to charge! The bus service is really starting to look quite exciting now! 😕
@@chewie8 i will never drive ice .. hated it all my life .. glad electric is here and i make it work for me .. the aptera is coming and beats anything on the road in ecficiency !
@@gmy33 if electric takes off and prices on bikes come tumbling down, and teh infrastructure is in place then I will jump on the band wagon. I just can't see it happening anytime soon. All the electric car owners now will be paying more than filling up at fuel pumps.
Monumental effort Bruce. I followed on insta so it’s great to see the first part stitched together. It was also weird seeing you riding through Basingstoke on part of my commute to work 😀. Out of interest what gloves were you wearing as I’m assuming they were waterproof and I’m off it welsh Wales soon so will need something
Thanks for doing this, so I don't have to. Mind you, I don't own an electric bike - and I won't be getting one any time soon. What a FAFF. My god you're a hard bastard.
I don’t know how you did it bruce! I remember when you set off heading north from lands end, I set off that afternoon at 3pm from Falmouth in the car and followed you north on Instagram, as I past north wales I remember an epic sunset and headed home to Lancashire as that night you past me heading north to Scotland. 👍 good effort mate, your bonkers though 😂
Having to stop every 50 miles or so for a 50 minute recharge is horrific plus the concern that chargers may not be working makes trips of this nature no fun at all..
This kind of trip is why I have an Harley alongside my Energica. I will try a similar adventure myself, probably when I'll get more experienced and I can keep it more stable instead of keeping accelerate/slow down.
Genuinely, you DON’T want to keep a stable speed on electric, you want to be up and down the revs/throttle because a constant throttle is what really drains the battery - particularly a constant high speed of around 65mph and above. This is why dual carriageways and motorways rinse the battery so quickly, yet you can get 250 miles out the Ribelle when riding in towns and cities
@@teapotone Well, more or less... I'm talking more about low/medium speed, where you can keep consumption to a minimum with an accurate control of the throttle. I'm not necessarily talking about speed, more about avoiding jerky use of the super sensitive throttle.
Thanks for showing us the grim reality of trying to tour on an electric motorcycle. We were following your journey as you did it and honestly we were slightly concerned for your safety sleeping on the ground as the bike charged. If you were to properly tour on one of these bikes then the route would be solely based around charge points instead of riding good roads, completely destroying the whole reason you go touring on a motorcycle. I see a channel called Marc Travels is attempting a European tour on his electric bike, sort of interested how he gets on. 🤔
Such a great video. And a much needed review on the Ev.. Many other comments say it all really.. 👍 Actually though. Further into your video. I suppose if your not in a race and got the time to chill and not riding at night as well as day.. Then the EV would be a great bike.. Watching the ride as well the. Ike looks great looks like it handles well and goes well at time. So yes a great bike if your not rushing…. 👍
Riding with any more than 2 electric bikes in a group is a nightmare at the moment - very few places set up to allow multiple vehicles to charge at once, so recharge time would be horrendous
You got to try something like this again with the Energica experia when it is a available. Like that you passed Basingstoke on the a30 then Stone henge. My neck of the woods.
I nearly brought a ribella last week off EEMC, brain overtook my heart just in time as it would have meant treadding water for 5 years financially which is too long, especially in the current situation. Be interesting to see how the experia would do. Experia would be much more suited for what I use my FJR1300 as a safety bike. Can't wait for the rest
The problem with electric bikes is energy density. Bikes only really work well in the first place because liquid fuels are incredibly energy dense. The batteries we have at the moment - and for the forseable future - simply can't hold enough energy in a small/light enough space to make them a real alternative. Yes you can make ever heavier and bulkier bikes which can cover more miles but thats not the same as adding a slightly larger tank to have the same effect on an ice bike. Electrics are great while they're well within their range and if you don't mind having a much heavier bike than necessary. Electric motors offer a great amount of power for their size and give a level of control I've never found even on the best ice bikes. Batteries to power them just makes them bulky, slow to charge and even from an environmental pov pointless. Bruce top marks for sticking with this but you're one in a million. Most people would have done the first charge stop, realised it was going to be a joke and gone home.
Absolutely incredible determination, this video deserves a million views for your effort here. Immense. Thankyou. Looking forward to part 2.
Thanks very much! 👍🙏
Excellent Bruce your dedication to a challenge is incredible! Brilliant video sir 👏
Thanks very much Chops, it’s an utterly useless ‘talent’ to be so stubborn and thick-headed about something… but a talent nonetheless 😉🤣
Amazing determination Bruce. I would not have even attempted such a trip on an EV. The frustration oozes out of my laptop screen!! well done you.
This is such a quality piece of video Bruce. Your editing is just another level 👏👏👏
Thanks very much Trev 👍
£6.65 to add 32 miles? My Hayabusa isn't that expensive at those speeds. 😯
Imagine how much cheaper an NC750 (similar petrol bike) would be.
@Wanderbike Anyone who thinks a 125 is more environmentally damaging than an equivalent ranged battery bike is off their head or can't do simple maths.
I own a Grom (MSX) among my little collection and so far since new its never been below 100mpg - thats with a 23 stone ape on it hammering it mercilessly (yes I look ridiculous on it and get all the jokes about losing it up my backside but its brilliant fun).
Its one of the most simple to make and least energy intensive to produce vehicles yet it can still do over 150mpg if ridden normally in town and going from history its likely to still be running 50 years from now unless poorly modified.
Just to break even from a co2 pov for the battery alone on a Zero I was looking at, you would need to make the Grom then ride them at least (presuming that 100mpg worst case) 228,000 miles. Then you would have to have parity on recycling both and since there is no mandate and almost no recycling of li-ion batteries in practice thats even more.
Thats presuming the battery on the Zero lasts 228,000 miles, of course.
Better 125s than the MSX are available (though none more fun imo - try one if you want a laugh).
How the electric charging points being powered lol . Coal !
Fair... fooking... play mate! That's some serious effort! Between the bike, GoPros, Cardo and phone, I bet you were really sick of battery by the end! Watched the updates on Instagram, so nice to see the vid too. Also kudos on making different content 💪🏼
Ha Ha, absolutely bud 🤣👍
The shite range makes an electric bike totally unusable for me and my riding needs. Great video and I really appreciate the effort you put into it. YOU ARE A LEGEND!
Davinci bikes & the Evoke 6061 address that with 250 mile range and even 15mins for 80% charge. It's coming... all new technology starts expensive & gets stupid cheap (with way more features), very quick.
Where we will be ripped off, is in the charging... or they'll just introduce pay per mile for everyone but more expensive for ICEs.
Just checked the up to date new Evoke 6061.
City range is 410 miles on one charge'
Mixed range 307 miles.
0-60 in 3 seconds. Top speed 125mph.
Charge time at maximum charge rate 30 minutes (CCS2 90kw charger)
But on a domestic AC 3.3 kw it would take 12hrs (a domestic 7kw obvs half that)
Price $24,999 USD... about £20k but no doubt with import and paperwork costs to add in the UK.
It's early days & if there's a demand the market will provide.
You are a brave man, Bruce; I think what you're doing would be my kind of hell being constantly anxious, so good on you, wishing you a good safe journey. Thank you for the entertainment, you do put yourself through it for your viewers. Thank you..
I`ll wait until they come up with something similar to an alternator. Fair play for putting yourself through it for our benefit Bruce. PS, you`ve lived in England for that long now, You`re classed as an Englishman. 🤣 welcome aboard my friend.
Outstanding effort so far, you have definitely set yourself a hard challenge. Big respect 👍
Thanks bud
45 minutes fill up every 55 miles. Oh, boy.
Electric is very much the Tortoise rather than the Hare.
Bruce does this so we don't have to (thank goodness).
Buddy, been looking forward to this one, it did not disappoint! I followed along on all your IG posts and stories. Thanks for doing this. What a mega idea for a video series. Looking forward to Part 2🔝🎬🎥 Hopefully EnergicaUK will be joining you on the podcast! Grab a brew on me 👍🏻
Cheers Mike!!
Glad you enjoyed it bud and hope you liked the rest of the series 👍
Seems to be very worrisome to me.. Worry about running out of charge, worry about giving it too much stick and losing charge, worry about finding charger that is working and available, worry about battery temperature.
Not forgetting the worry about spending 27 and a half grand on your next motorcycle.
@@barrydaly7174 True Barry, the $20K on 900cc Adventure bikes is already here. Electric bikes still are another level higher.
@@makomadeira5799 nope…..shove the EV up your backside.
@@makomadeira5799 I think you might be right if the power grid will support the additional electrical vehicle charging. Recently state government California officials had a week or so owners of electrical vehicles were told not to charge their electric vehicles because of the electrical grid could not support the charging.
@@makomadeira5799 I'm not real sure about the cause of California power shortage other than higher demand because of the hot weather. Perhaps the first deadline should not dates to stop ICE production but the first deadline should be to create the necessary infrastructure to supply the increased demand for power.
I got rid of my electric car after my first long journey, its great for local trips and commuting, but a trip to Cornwall and back from Liverpool and I was done.
Wonder what the stats are regarding people selling their electric cars and reverting to petrol/diesel
Respect To you sir for your patience. A good video as always.
Not convinced on electric so far.
Balls of steel there for taking this challenge on. Fair play and full credit to ya. It’s a valuable challenge for showing the reality of electric bikes and the issues of charging. I think you said early on in the vid, a bike with a bigger range would have been a better choice if one had been available. Excellent vid 👍
Fine for around town, or a shortish commute, but as a long distance tourer that's tedious, and not even that cheap. This week I got 215 miles out of my Yamaha T7 for £20 worth of Shell V Power Super unleaded.
Good first part Bruce. You are having 1 hell of a journey so far. Long live petrol bikes.
TeapotOne, My hat is off to you for having the endurance to ride for days with only 40 min stops to sleep out in the open, and in any kind of weather. I would love to do this ride on my Zero DSR, except at a much slower pace of 300 miles/day or less, with time to get a good night’s sleep every night. I also would take a day or two to sightsee at several locations.
Yes definitely, a much more civilised ride 👍
Been looking forward to this after watching the Instagram posts and chatting about it the other day.
I still think you are absolutely nuts.... as were Energica by not loaning you their new bike for it!
Can't wait for part 2.
I can't see the amount of chargers rising at the equal rate of people buying Cars/Bikes. Infrastructure is a joke. Brilliant video exposing all the pitfalls and frustrations. When I ride I want to free my mind.... not add to th worries and drama of everyday life. Great Video as always. (Bike used is a huge no-no for me.)
This is a great view into the next step of motoring.
I must admit that I will be there kicking and screaming before I give up my internal combustion engine.
great to watch, great channel. 👌👌👌
Hi teapot , given the choice I rather go round the uk on the sinnis terrain 125 , and In all honesty I’d enjoy it , but the electric bike I’d have thrown it in the bushes and walked home , I can remember doing 900 miles in a day once on a Honda blackbird at obscene speeds , and didn’t ride or look at the bike for a week , I was totally fried ,your a brave man doing it on that , the waiting for a charge , while been ,cold and exhausted must have been beyond mind numbing 🏍🏍👍👍
Ha Ha cheers, it’s helps that I’m insanely stubborn 🤣👍
Bless you for sticking with it. I would have given up on that thing.
Fabulous video Bruce - perfectly encapsulates why I won't be at the head of the queue to buy an electric touring bike.....
Thanks Andy, ha ha I don’t think there’ll be much of a queue anyway at this rate mate! 😬👍
you're not selling it pal!! top video fella. one of the best content channels out there!!!
We already knew that you are hardcore but you have the patience of a saint to do this! It’s a shame they didn’t give you the latest bike as the added range would have done you better. I think I’d have spun for home after the first 3 or 4 charge stops. Great videos, thanks 👍
Amazing video Bruce as others have said incredible determinationThank you looking forward to part 2
50 minutes o get to 80%. Good job it’s not pissing down. Nuff said.
Patience of a saint, well done 🥇
biggest take away is there is a lot of money to be made selling/installing charging stations to restaurants/pubs, to give people a place to sit down and order a meal/snack while they are waiting for the charge to finish.
Absolutely
You'll have enough time to get hammered while you're waiting for a charge..... 🍾🍸🍺🧋
15:15 - "The novelty has well and truly worn off!" Haha, classic Bruce! Hats off to you though mate, good effort! 👏👏
I just watched this video I really admire your patience I think at Lands end it would have accidentally rolled over the cliff into the sea, if I ever have to pack up my Kawasaki z1000sx because they decide to stop selling fuel, I will pack up riding, infrastructure is crap.
Fair shout for even attempting this Bruce! Followed your progress on Instagram and there is no way I would do it! Well done big man!
I was waiting for that video! 😝
Thank you Bruce 😇
Can't believe you managed this, I'd have gone made with the charging times😄
Brutal when you add in the charging requirements to fast charge. This was rather eye opening.
"far from perfect". Blimey, that's an understatement if ever I've heard one!!!
Love these challenges looking forward to the next episode.
This came on my feed after watching Marc from Germany zooming around uk. Nice to compare your experiences
Hi Debby, his vids are great aren’t they, I’m loving following his adventures, hoping to meet him soon when he comes back to the UK 👍
Thanks for the review on the tour of England with the Energica Revelli . I've been waiting for this video .
Jeez. Fantastic effort. Got a vw EV and I didn’t realise how much less range there is in the bike. On a similar journey I would only have to charge every 150 miles to keep between 20 and 80%. I’ll stick to my GS for a bit longer, Bruce. Love the channel.
EV cars and bikes are very different animals. The bikes are around where the cars were when the Leaf 30 and early Kia Soul were about.
Well done Bruce! Hat’s off you you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great challenge I'm impressed.Maybe you do it again in three years time to see how the infrastructure has improved. My opinion is that you will take longer.Great vid, cheers.
Been driving fully EV cars for 10 years and this video is spot on! The network is patchy at best, I actually found it less stressful 10 years ago. I enjoy using an EV within one battery charge range, and I can charge at home for 1p/mile……..but longer trips take that different mindset you mention Bruce, and that’s not for everyone. I use numbers and physics daily in my job so constantly reassessing range/efficiency etc is something I enjoy 😬🙄🤣.
EV motorbikes I like the idea of but we either need 5x battery density or 10x chargers (and not just on motorways). Can’t see me swapping from the GS to one of these for a few years.
Great honest review Bruce. (And finding apps/cards etc on a motorbike seems more of a PITA than a car, and it’s bad then)
I agree with this. I’ve had an EV for 3 years and in a car it generally works ok provided you’re prepared to plan on longer journeys. We’ve used ours for plenty of holidays and it’s been fine, however it is more stressful now than a few years ago as there’s a lot more EVs and it many more chargers!
I wouldn’t swap my bike yet though. For me it’s a limitation of packaging. I can only assume that the necessary battery management for proper fast charging takes up a lot of space or weight. If the bike charged at the same speed as the average 100kw car it should only take about 10 mins to charge, but it’s obviously much much slower than the charger can provide
Not only the patchiness of EV charging points and distance per charge.... but am I missing something?
Current petrol prices it costs me approx £18 to fill up and I get an average 75 mpg = 180 mile range approx
Going by TeapotOne's video that's 3/4 charging points (from £3.30 to £6.??) - say £4.50 per charge = £13.50 or £18.00 .......which means there's little if any cost savings* unless you just use your EV motorcycle from home on every journey.
*And that's excluding all the time wasted/stopped waiting for charge.
@@philhunt9297 Yes, that’s about right. Again, not really an issue in a car as you start the day with 200-300 miles so rarely have to charge away from home (assuming you can). If you typically commute or just go for a sub 100 mile Sunday blast on a bike it would be super cheap / almost free but public charging is expensive now
Spot on there Phil, but a comparison on my GS works out differently.
I spent around £165 on charging to cover 2,300 miles.
I get around 180 miles to a tank on the GS which costs from £32-£40 depending on whether I use 95-98, so let’s go with the cheaper.
That means to cover the 2,300 miles I’d need (2300/180) = 13 tanks of fuel at £32 a go, equals £416
Electric - £165
Fuel - £416
@@teapotone did you use Charge Place Scotland up there? That’s still very cheap at about 25p per kwh
Proper graft there, Bruce! Appreciate your effort.
Cheers bud👍
Great video, really enjoyed watching.. Sounds like a really nice guy too.
Thanks bud
You can tour on an electric bike but as you have said you need a different mindset. In August I rode all the way around England on My Zero S. I went all around the coast and followed the border of Wales and Scotland. I had a few weeks off work so was in no rush, unlike this trip. My goal was to spend nothing on fuel which I achieved. I covered 2,153 miles in 11 days. Average daily distance was 196 miles. Charge stops numbered 43. The average charge duration was 50 minutes. My Zero only has level 2 charging so no CCS and the maximum it can charge at is 6kw so I charged exclusively at Tesco stores where it is free. One downside of all that charging was that I drank 30 cups of tea and 15 lattes over the course of the trip, plus multiple bacon butties.
Bruce you have a LOT more patience than me. What an absolute faff electric is!!!!!! I could not do that, having to stop so often is total madness.
Well done to you Sir !!
Hi Bruce, listening to the last couple of Pod Casts you did on my way to work and back, listening to you talk about this challenge really puts what your frame of mind was like on this ride, would recommend anybody that watches your channel listen to the Pod Caste to. Great video mate, and of course brilliant Pod Casts to.
Thanks very much Carl, glad you’re enjoying the podcast 👍
Fair play to you taking on this challenge, makes for great viewing and it highlights a lot of problems with running a ev
Thanks Gareth 👍
Looked at buying electric car in Wales before discovering Wales has 4% of all the charging points in Britain, decided the infrastructure not up to the job, didn’t buy. Love your content and your tenacity to keep going through whatever, best of luck.
Good on you to take that challenge,excellent perspective on owning a motorcycle like that.
Great vid, as always. Really love those challenges and travel vid’s. Keep up the good work!
Quality video! As another viewer mentioned below, this is what we watch TH-cam for!
And what an amateur move by Energica to not lend you an Experia. It's a bit like KTM not appreciating the marketing value of the first Long Way Round series;) Would love to see a next version of this massive challenge in 2, 4, 6, etc years from now💯
Top vid Bruce, I think you hit the nail on the head, short journeys at the moment only back and forth to work and a nice petrol for touring. 😊
Great video, thanks. Keeping my petrol bikes forever.
"Go electric because petrol costs too much"
Electric prices risen and continue to rise, I knew this would be the case.
Over £3 for less than 40%.
Remember when it was less than that for 100% charge on a tesla 😳🤔 thanks for the real world testing, seriously strengthens my rejection of electric vehicles.
Electricity is only much cheaper than gas if charging at home and commuting or riding within your home sphere (100-ish miles). Long distance riding, like long distance driving an EV, is comparable to gas. But you don't buy these for lower gas prices (that's just a nice side effect). You buy these for performance.
Problem is you can’t utilise that performance when on a long ride as it hammers the battery 🤷♂️
Wait and see how much it will cost to charge when the price goes up again . The latest touring electric bike cost £27k ,if you have a petrol bike you can buy lots of petrol for that .Go electric and be part of the next rip off.
Idiot ! My Tesla is currently costing about £25 a month !
I’m surrounded by free chargers thanks to the socialists in local government!
@@johnedwards4176 and when the Battery fails you throw it away. I have a 125 , its does 130mpg and if I went electric I would never save any money , you are spot on.
Awesome Bruce, What a ride! Clearly we are far away from Electric being the norm. Good work!
That bloody whine though….😱
This video is the best reason I have watched why electric vehicles are just no good for long journeys. You spent around 5 hours just waiting for the bike to charge. And the cost of charging was ridiculous. I just bought a Royal Enfield 350 Meteor, it does 100mpg.
Very Cool 🎉 what a trip ! I wish we had the same rain in California 😅
Well done Bruce, admire your grit and determination, I think I'd have got bored/ pissed-off and binned it. A really great 'real World' demonstration of electric bike use over longer distances. Of course you'll have to repeat the whole thing on the Experia when you can get one so we can see the difference 😂😅😂
How you managed that I don't know! So frustrating
Talk about earning your money,well done Bruce, great vid.👌
Great vid as always! Sadly, I am not buying into this electric bike thing! It takes me back to my childhood, it sounds like a milk float!
having to deviate from my preferred (usually twisty b road) route, the anxiety of wether or not i'll make it, stopping when the charge says not when i want, or the charger is in working order when i get there is a step too far for me and not what i want from motorbiking. things need to drastically change before i even consider one, but i still enjoy watching the experiences, however it usually just reinforces my views. GL
Well done Bruce. Such a revealing vid. I have a friend who has a Ribelle from English Electric, and he rode down to Barcelona in December ! However, this is exactly what is putting me off buying an electric car let alone an electric bike. Significantly higher upfront cost then ICE and then high cost to refuel more often. Fine around town, and when charging at home, but pants for doing any distance. The UK charging infrastructure just isnt there yet. UK petrol stations should already be transitioning to electric.
Updated thought……We have seen electric cars on the market now from all the major car companies, in fact some have several options. We haven’t seen the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers jumping in yet have we? Why not? It seems to be mainly specialist start up companies, apart from HD of course. Motorcycles maybe just don’t have the physical size to carry long range batteries.
Saffron Walden was the nearest town to my old regiment (33 Engineer Rgt EOD) Spent many a weekend in the Queen Elizabeth pub....
Well Bruce, what can I say?……..you’re off your trolly! Great video though. I’d thought about an electric for commuting, but the cost was just too much for me, so I’m still commuting on my R1200RT which I love. I think we’re a long way off with the electric bike being a true replacement, although they do look good fun. Looking forward to the next episode :)
11/10 for perseverance, mate...!
Enjoyed that mate. Proper suffering in the name of art!
A really great review of the practicalities of using an electric bike with today’s woeful infrastructure. EVs used to be cheap to charge but no longer. The ever increasing cost of electricity, particularly to business, ie, public charge points, means it’s now cheaper to fuel an ICE engine.
Tesco podpoints are still cheap or free and some homeowners offer cheap charging. But, the rest does seem pricey.
Pure entertainment Bruce, very funny and informative. Couldn't you have strapped a petrol generator on the back and ran it as you rode along? You just get better and better!
Ha Ha, I’ll leave that to the professionals 😉👍
Thanks bud
Aberystwyth!!!! 🏴 Great vid 👍
To be fair, the future is likely to see us all getting a lot less done in our short lives, while we are waiting for our motorcycles to charge! The bus service is really starting to look quite exciting now! 😕
With the price of electricity now and in the future, I can't see electric car and bikes taking off.
BINGO. That is what they want. Job done.
Thats why most bikers generaly ride 2kmiles max per year .. per year
@@chewie8 i will never drive ice .. hated it all my life .. glad electric is here and i make it work for me .. the aptera is coming and beats anything on the road in ecficiency !
@@gmy33 if electric takes off and prices on bikes come tumbling down, and teh infrastructure is in place then I will jump on the band wagon. I just can't see it happening anytime soon. All the electric car owners now will be paying more than filling up at fuel pumps.
Monumental effort Bruce. I followed on insta so it’s great to see the first part stitched together. It was also weird seeing you riding through Basingstoke on part of my commute to work 😀. Out of interest what gloves were you wearing as I’m assuming they were waterproof and I’m off it welsh Wales soon so will need something
Thanks for doing this, so I don't have to. Mind you, I don't own an electric bike - and I won't be getting one any time soon. What a FAFF.
My god you're a hard bastard.
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I don’t know how you did it bruce! I remember when you set off heading north from lands end, I set off that afternoon at 3pm from Falmouth in the car and followed you north on Instagram, as I past north wales I remember an epic sunset and headed home to Lancashire as that night you past me heading north to Scotland. 👍 good effort mate, your bonkers though 😂
Ha Ha cheers bud, was a beautiful sky wasn’t it 👍
Jings... I'm exhausted just watching that 😆
It was great to follow this on insta and now the first part of the video. Eye opening to what touring would be like 👀
Awesome just bloody awesome
Having to stop every 50 miles or so for a 50 minute recharge is horrific plus the concern that chargers may not be working makes trips of this nature no fun at all..
This kind of trip is why I have an Harley alongside my Energica.
I will try a similar adventure myself, probably when I'll get more experienced and I can keep it more stable instead of keeping accelerate/slow down.
Genuinely, you DON’T want to keep a stable speed on electric, you want to be up and down the revs/throttle because a constant throttle is what really drains the battery - particularly a constant high speed of around 65mph and above.
This is why dual carriageways and motorways rinse the battery so quickly, yet you can get 250 miles out the Ribelle when riding in towns and cities
@@teapotone Well, more or less... I'm talking more about low/medium speed, where you can keep consumption to a minimum with an accurate control of the throttle.
I'm not necessarily talking about speed, more about avoiding jerky use of the super sensitive throttle.
Well done Bruce, I reckon this will become the baseline reference against which all future electric motorcycles will be judged.
Regarding 'old' technology, it's still a valid consideration, don't forget at some point these will p on the second hand market.
Another four point ride... excellent stuff. It's a shame you couldn't get an Experia.... ah well, maybe next time!
Thanks for showing us the grim reality of trying to tour on an electric motorcycle. We were following your journey as you did it and honestly we were slightly concerned for your safety sleeping on the ground as the bike charged.
If you were to properly tour on one of these bikes then the route would be solely based around charge points instead of riding good roads, completely destroying the whole reason you go touring on a motorcycle.
I see a channel called Marc Travels is attempting a European tour on his electric bike, sort of interested how he gets on. 🤔
He says no negative comments because he’s riding an eccy bike🤣
Such a great video. And a much needed review on the Ev..
Many other comments say it all really..
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Actually though. Further into your video.
I suppose if your not in a race and got the time to chill and not riding at night as well as day..
Then the EV would be a great bike..
Watching the ride as well the. Ike looks great looks like it handles well and goes well at time.
So yes a great bike if your not rushing…. 👍
Good video Bruce 👍
So a group of 5 guys all on electric bikes would extend the charging time even more
Not worth thinking about mate. No one would want to go very far. So those trips would be just a fond memory.
Riding with any more than 2 electric bikes in a group is a nightmare at the moment - very few places set up to allow multiple vehicles to charge at once, so recharge time would be horrendous
I’m in rural New Zealand, there is one charger per town, more in bigger cities but it’s ok I’m enjoying my Vmax smell of unburnt fuel.
I don't think I could do that trip on a ICE bike , looking forward to the next part.
You got to try something like this again with the Energica experia when it is a available.
Like that you passed Basingstoke on the a30 then Stone henge. My neck of the woods.
Yeah I think it would be much more viable on the Experia 👍
Not even TeapotOne is that daft to try on an EV again.
Sounds like a challenge to me 😉
@@teapotone lol
I nearly brought a ribella last week off EEMC, brain overtook my heart just in time as it would have meant treadding water for 5 years financially which is too long, especially in the current situation. Be interesting to see how the experia would do. Experia would be much more suited for what I use my FJR1300 as a safety bike. Can't wait for the rest
Along with the stress of the charge, the noise would drive me crazy, like a washing machine starting spin cycle.
Earplugs? Would that help?
@@kevinmair7571 might help but most earplugs aim to remove the deep low frequency noises of the wind and engine.
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You don’t hear the scream once it’s above about 50mph as you only get wind noise
Mate that was some effort, good work
The problem with electric bikes is energy density. Bikes only really work well in the first place because liquid fuels are incredibly energy dense. The batteries we have at the moment - and for the forseable future - simply can't hold enough energy in a small/light enough space to make them a real alternative.
Yes you can make ever heavier and bulkier bikes which can cover more miles but thats not the same as adding a slightly larger tank to have the same effect on an ice bike.
Electrics are great while they're well within their range and if you don't mind having a much heavier bike than necessary. Electric motors offer a great amount of power for their size and give a level of control I've never found even on the best ice bikes. Batteries to power them just makes them bulky, slow to charge and even from an environmental pov pointless.
Bruce top marks for sticking with this but you're one in a million. Most people would have done the first charge stop, realised it was going to be a joke and gone home.
Good effort Bruce!!
Looks like an ideal bike for commuting, but hopeless for touring without a very different mindset