That's hilarious. I'm imagining a Troi who doesn't actually care about anyone on the Enterprise, she just wants the fucking music to stop. She's smart enough to have to realized it will stop sooner if she spouts psychobabble or senses emotions that are painfully obvious to everyone. It's like that episode "The Survivors", except it's the entire show.
There were a couple instances in the show where the "Adele" accent slipped out: when she was yelling at Dr. Crusher in "The Loss," and when she was chewing out Riker for wanting to get revenge for Picard's "death" in "Gambit."
I like that she openly criticises how her character was written. A lot of actors take that kind of thing really personally and feel like a criticism of the character is a criticism of them.
Marina was always outspoken and has told fans she had issues with the way Troi was written & portrayed in the TNG - especially in the early seasons. For instance, she was dressed in that skimpy catsuit instead of a regular uniform, being treated like sex object (i.e., the episode where a replica of herself created by Barclay was dressed in a skimpy Greek dress inside the holodeck), and being emotionally assaulted/mind-raped by alien guests several times (e.g., in the episode where an alien impregnated Troi, then she gave birth to a child who quickly died, only to find out it was all part of an experiment). Marina has gone on the record that the latter is her least favorite TNG episode. The show runners only changed Troi's role and portrayal during the last two TNG seasons (giving her a proper uniform, giving plots where Troi could show herself as a proper Starfleet officer instead of being merely a 'victim' of others- (i.e., when she was turned into a Romulan in 'Face of the Enemy.'). But some of the plots they had for her didn't quite work out (Worf and Troi were a couple? It 'never' happened).
@@Yusuke_Denton Here's how the old breed handled criticism of their shit: Michael Caine on the terrible Jaws 4: "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it's terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific!"
One thing that drove me crazy throughout that series was the fact that Rodenberry never had any real comprehension of military rank or organizational structures. There are separate commissioning pipelines for line officers, that is to say the people who would actually serve on the bridge and engineering, and support personnel like doctors, lawyers, etc. Troy would have gone to the Academy but she would have been in a pipeline with a syllabus designed for medical specialists. She wouldn't get any command or engineering training because those things aren't relevant to her function just as Picard wouldn't be given extensive medical training.
@@chardtomp That's been explained in various places in Trek lore. The idea is that serving on a star ship isn't really analogous to serving in the Navy even though they kept naval terminology. If something goes wrong on an aircraft carrier that disables the ship, it gets towed to somewhere to get repaired within a week or so, and is surrounded by friendlies (the carrier group) full-time to keep it safe. And the sailors can breathe the whole time it's disabled because it's not in space and doesn't need to make its own atmosphere. On a star ship you might be *months* from the nearest friendly port and farther than that from the nearest ship that can help. If a disaster happens that takes out half the crew, then having the doctor and the psychologist know how to help run the ship increases the chances that they'll make it home.
I enjoyed the episode with Troi in command because it was a nice example of how a leader can demonstrate wisdom and come out on top by admitting their shortcomings and trusting and relying on their staff.
I agree with you! I really disliked how Data and Picard always solved the problem of the episode without really relying on the staff! In Ensigns of Command, Data was allowed to be a leader while Troi was reduced to the supportive speech! It made no sense whatsoever that Troi couldn't look at a treaty and find a loophole! The writers did this many times to the supporting characters, especially to the detriment of Troi!
@@2bituser569 I have to disagree! Barclay isn't in the line of command and he's allowed to solve problems all the time! The same goes for Wesley or Miles!
MN Hill Officer of the line isn’t the direct line of ascension like 3rd, 2nd, 1st officer. Officer of the line is one who can take command like Worf. Worf is a chief by title but an academy graduate with command qualifications. Dr Crusher, Counselor Troi, and probably most science blue shirts are professional staff officers. They have the same ranks as command officers but skipped most of the training. While Lt Cmdr outranks Ensign the Ensign can assume command if they are a line officer with the qualifications for command. Lt Cmdr like Troi was purely professional in her own specific field. Until Crusher and Troi took the bridge test or in tos tmp movie era it was the Kobayashi Maru they cannot assume command. Even a non com like O’Brien would take command over Troi. After upgrading her officer status she can command. Also, helping to figure out problems is not same as being in command. Most problems are fixed by the lower officers of either type. During the incident where Troi took command Ensign Laren must not been aware Troi was only a staff officer. Most crew were not liking Ro so likely O’Brien used Troi for him to take command over her.
@@2bituser569 In Disaster, it appeared that neither Miles, Ro nor Troi were line officers, which is why Troi was given command as the highest ranking officer. That said, there were several times in which Troi was left in charge of an away team--Master Piece Society comes to mind. However, you can't say that Worf ranked higher than Troi just because he was in security as he was very seldom left in command of the bridge and he didn't wear red until he transferred to DS9. Troi even outranked Geordi and Worf in Nemesis. The exception to this rule was Data, who was left in charge of the bridge the most. The truth of the matter was that until Descent and Thine Own Self, rank of the departmental officers was seldom talked about! It was always assumed that all the officers who sat at a briefing had been to the academy and had fulfilled basic courses in leadership. In his time, Gene Roddenberry never gave full disclosure of how ranks worked outside of rudimentary explanation. Likewise, Wesley who sat at navigation for over three years would never out rank any officer on the bridge! I understand what you're saying. However, you do have to admit there was no clear rule that the writers of TNG followed--rather officers were "invented" as the need arose! Btw, Miles was also a "chief" as well, but that didn't allow him to out rank Troi, who graduated from the academy! Indeed, in the first year of TNG Worf, who had the lowest rank aside from Geordi, served under Tasha until her death. He stayed in that position until Generations, meaning that Troi outranked him as well as Geordi for seven years of TNG! When she took her officer's test, she outranked everyone except Crusher, Riker and Picard! The fact Troi, who is "only" a counselor, outranked Data is a known sore spot among fans who believe that Troi's promotion was not well earned! Hence the reason for taking Troi down a peg every chance they get including being pi$$ed that Troi beat Data at three dimensional chess!
Even I didn't think Troi was so dumb as to not know what "losing antimatter containment" means. They could just as easily have had her pause in a moment of realization and say, "the ship will explode."
I give the benefit of the doubt and assume she's asking how bad the explosion will be - like, lose half the ship, or all the ship. Might be giving too much benefit though :)
You have to undertsand: Riker wasn't on the bridge to ask the stupid questions and spell things out to the audience, so someone had to take his place, and boy did they exagerate it. Hell, this is the same episode where she had to be told what her rank was and that she was in charge of the ship.
@@r0bw00d Hey, RO was the one who had to be reminded Troi's rank was! As long as we're labeling people ignorant haha. And Troi...miiiight have known she was in command, but was content to let O'Brien point it out?
Oh, yeah. Party atmosphere with drinks and stuff with JF and her and the crew. Just sitting around BSing. Wouldn't that be great. Frakes could play the trombone, etc. God that'd be great.
Unpopular opinion: I actually found Troi to be a believable character (if a little annoying at times). What I liked about Troi is that she _wasn't_ some incredibly brilliant technical genius possessed of an astonishingly detailed understanding of the inner workings of a starship and a dizzying array of astronomical anomalies. Everyone else around her seemed to always have at hand a theoretical answer to almost _every_ possible dilemma. While that's great for moving the plot forward, Troi brought a very different skill set to the table. Her empathic ability saved the Enterprise many times over, most notably in _Night Terrors_ . Honestly, I found it believable that there would be some people on board who would not be technical experts on esoteric gaseous anomalies, string theory, and warp drive technology. Her work to pass the officer exams near to the end of the series was an interesting and, again, believable, arc for her character that had its genesis in the episode where she had to take command during a crisis and was unprepared. TL/DR: Counselor Troi possesses an intelligence that the other characters lack and stepped up the plate to save the day multiple times.
Her intelligence boiled down to basic empathy, or rather voicing very basic emotional observations, she was a very poorly written character 95% of the time. Other characters total lack of emotional awareness does not excuse the one-dimensionness of her role. They could have written the character well performing exactly the same role, but they didn't.
I think her character is well-conceived and I like her a lot but to be honest, I think in particular her scenes where she's being a therapist to crew members (like Barclay) were better in the movies/Voyager than in TNG. I think where Troi shone the most in TNG was in her scenes where she advised Picard, though. I think those were always very well done. As far as knowing things goes, even if she's not an expert, I think it's stretching things beyond the realm of reason when a Lieutenant Commander doesn't know what a warp core containment breach is. If you're that rank, there's a nonzero chance you'll end up in command of some unit of people during an emergency, and you have to at least know the essentials. As far as her bringing a new skill set to the table, I agree with you. When stories involving her empathic powers and the consequences/uses of them were written well, they were really good. But the problem is they weren't always written well.
I'm sorry but she knew basically nothing about the ship, not even basic functions. Even the audience was aware of what a containment breach is. You don't end up on the flagship without knowing something. The only character as one dimensional as hers was, was Worf. Almost every other character had some secondary skill-set that allowed them to perform different roles in an episode. What exactly was Troi's?
@@Fr3k3 I've always assumed Troi's secondary function, and why she was senior staff, was diplomacy. She was the one who had to talk to Mistress Beata on Angel One to allow them to beam down. She was usually seated at the table for many negotiations and then when the Enterprise is hosting the Evora in Insurrection, she is the one briefing the captain. I doubt that most ship's counselors have those duties. Troi studied psychology prior to going to Starfleet Academy. I assume when she got to the Academy, she also had additional coursework in diplomacy, which generally would be for those under the Command tract, along with some more advanced psychology classes. Most of those in the Science tract probably only have basic knowledge of ship's systems, depending on what their field of study is. It's likely, for this reason, why Beverly said she would not be in line for command until after the last ensign in Engineering.
@@sisteriris4131 the issue of rank is a sticky one though. When Julian Bashir graduated from Starfleet Medical, he was a Lt. JG. For those in Science, especially Medical, it appears their rank also has to do with the level of training they may receive in their position. I would assume that the highest rank those in Science can obtain would be Lt. Cmdr without taking the Bridge Officer's test or being given an arbitrary promotion, like Kirk did to McCoy. When Jadzia become Lt. Cmdr, I surmise it is because she took the Bridge Officer's Test, though she may have been able to obtain the rank without it. We know she had to have taken the test at some point because she was given command of the Defiant by Admiral Ross.
In TNG I thought she was greek or something, she had a foreign accent and appearance, but as Trek progressed she started becoming more and more english both in accent and appearance, how does she do that? lol she's some kind of ethno morpher.
They needed to decide what they wanted the "Counselor" role to actually mean. At first, it was more like being Consul to the Captain on the bridge - someone who could advise on leadership strategies and intergalactic relations. Then, she ended up being a Counselor, as in someone who helps people work through coping & conflict in their everyday life. If she's the former, it makes sense for her to actually be on the bridge and wearing a real Starfleet uniform. If she's the latter, it makes sense for her to be called in occasionally for a mediation, but generally be working outside the bridge and interacting with the passengers. It's strange that they watered down her role so much that she ended up being basically neither of these things. I personally think it would be neat to really see the life of a ship's counselor - kind of like if you were to follow a chaplain in the military - but I think Roddenberry wouldn't have allowed it because he basically thought all societal ills (including mental health) would have been cured, so there's no need for a Mental Health/Family & Marriage Counselor on the Enterprise. (That's why Barclay is such an anomaly, but also basically a more interesting character than almost any of the women on TNG.)
That's a great point. A lot of people say that Troi's _character_ isn't defined, but that's not really it. As a person, she's as well defined as LaForge or Riker. The issue is that Troi's _role_ isn't defined. It would have been very interesting if TNG had made it clear that Troi was the 24th century equivalent of a chaplain, and then fully exploring what that means. Troi's situation is more or less the reverse of Dr. Crusher, who I feel is the weakest main character on TNG. Crusher's role is very clearly defined, but we never really get much of a sense of her as a person beyond that of a vaguely pleasant, soft-spoken, competent professional. I think it's pretty clear that the writers had other characters they were more interested or more confident in writing for.
@@andrewyancy8639 That is so well put and so true! I liked Gates McFadden, but other than a little interest I. A holodeck detective story, she had nothing going on!
Great points. I think the idea of a counselor being needed could have been rescued by the notion that the crew is doing something never done before (extended stay in space) and encountering never before seen threats to their psyche (threats of the unknown). She could also be useful in mediating conflicts in the crew. Eventually, her role as truly intergalactic space counselor gotten take by Guinan anyway.
TNG was ending when Babylon 5 started airing, but I think Troi would have been a good way to explore some of the setting more, like the glimpses you get in Babylon 5 from the news segments, or various public spaces, etc. She could have been a way to explore the crew dynamics, and how society adapts to long-term deep space assignment. But TNG just wasn’t structured for that type of storytelling (I think DS9 was where they really started using that type).
Despite her character being poorly written, we could not imagine an ST:TNG without Troi. That my friends is the highest compliment you can give an actor!
She was really important. Her inclusion on the bridge sent a message that empathy, feelings, and mental wellness were just as important to a ship as weapons, shields, and helm. A whole generation of people is less fucked up than they could be because of that message.
I can. It'd be better without her. She'd have been a better member of the ship. Maybe let her stay the councilor, but get her off the bridge. If she had better writing, that would change.
Marina Sirtis is “such a love”, as the Brits would say. Someone you wish you could sit around and chat with all day! She certainly knows to not take it too seriously!
Why about the guy who has a weird thing where he gets a power trip when wearing a g-string to major meetings but is super paranoid about anyone finding out?
I did not like Richard Dean Anderson's acting in the first season. It seemed like he did not really want to be in that series and was just going through the motions. It probably had something to do with the cheap production...every planet they visited looked like the pacific northwest. Later when the production value went up he got into the role a lot better. I'm sure by the end of the series the main actors were very well compensated per episode.
@@michaeljorgensen790 All ten seasons looked like it was filmed in the PNW because it was. They even adressed it in one episode basically saying the ancients only put gates on certain kinds of planets. We found out later that asumption wasn't true, like the gate staying open only for 23 minutes. However by adding that bit of dialog it made the point the Show Runners were listening to the fan's complants.
Someone needs to tell her that professionally-qualified people in the military often don't do the full academy course. Doctors (and mental health specialists) in current militaries do a short course and commission directly to a fairly advanced rank. So no, she wouldn't have expertise in starship engineering. And neither would most other people, to be honest, although they all seem to.
Well said. Many of the characters you meet in Star Trek are academic or medical specialists. If like modern military service: Commissioned personnel outside the command staff would not have extensive military training. The Historian in Space Seed, the psychologist in Dagger of the Mind, Bones, Crusher, Chapel,. the Geologist, etc... Most were written as non military. The yellow and red shirts in TOS were written as academy "men" from Sulu to Uhura to Mr Leslie to Scotty. Viewers in 1966 understood that as most adult viewers were vets or their dads were. Fewer in 1988, fewer in 2001, and very few today.
I think everybody in the 24th century would know about matter/antimatter power generation, at least in broad outline, the same way you know (I hope) how an internal combustion engine works, without being able to fix one necessarily
@@inspace9609 This is strictly true; Starfleet is not supposed to be a military organisation. That said I think we can probably refer to it safely as a paramilitary organisation which wears uniform, uses rank, and has some concept of officers and other ranks. As such I think comparing it to a military in this context is probably pretty reasonable.
I love how her accent changed over the years. In early TNG she sounds Greek, later British. In times of TNG era movies she had an American accent and now in ST Picard she sounds Australish. 😄
I like the Cum Town guys commentary on this: Troi was the empath with actual human emotions to explain to all the nerds how regular human beings behave
That's a good summation. It frustrates me a little that in all shows like this, some people think everyone has to be a 'strong' commanding officer to be a good character. Just look at how much dull fan fiction is Captain (insert character name). Diversity in television isn't just race or gender, it should be of personalities.
There must be an actual plot writing name for this kind of character. Penny from Big Bang Theory and Summer from Rick & Morty do similar things. It’s like every nerd show needs a non-nerd character for contrast.
Lol yeah the writers overlooked for years that the character went to Starfleet Academy and leaned hard into "shes pretty and dumb, but empathic"....I liked when Jelico made her put a uniform on finally. Arent you a Starfleet officer?!
@@specialnewb9821 Those outfits actually came about though because the season 1 uniform with the spandex that tucked under the boots wouldn't fit her curvaceous body. It was too revealing if you can believe it so she got the catsuit instead.
She is also a counselor who is an expert in psychology and realizes that more casual dress helps to put her patients at ease, making her better at doing her job. Also, she's not dumb. She is shown to be a skilled negotiator with an excellent understanding of human nature. Her smarts save lives multiple times.
90% of Troi scenes: *on a star ship with a million different sensors* "Captain, I'm not sensing any lifeforms..." *someone is visibly upset* "I'm sensing you're very angry right now..."
I appreciated a lot of what Troi brought to the show. Talking about how people avoid acknowledging a subject because it would dismantle their fantasy, etc. Simple little insights into human behavior that inform the behavior of people we have difficulty with, and could help us see ourselves through a fuller and more lively lens.
Crusher is a lot more likable than troi at least and has quite a few great episodes, but the lack of direction for her character did become a lot more apparent when i rewatched the show.
@Flightof2Owls its not about where they are going in life its about who she is right now and what the specific flaws/problem she needs to work to overcome are. Like for example spock doesnt change much over the course of Tos (not counting the movies) but if you were asked the specific flaws/problems he has you could easily name them (conflict between his human and vulcan sides, feeling ashamed of his emotions, trying to figure out who he truly is, etc) as well as multiple episodes that focus on him dealing with those. With troi on the other hand its much harder to do that, as her core stuggles are much less defined. Im not an expert so this isnt an amazing explanation but do you at least see where im coming from?
@@gregbryant516 I wondered why she wasn't back then and now. Especially when she was a captain of a science ship but I feel she would have been a pretty tough captain outside of her being a medical officer. Cool and collective but don't get he angry with you. She will put you in your place with knowledge! :)
She definitely got screwed over in character development/usefullness. I never liked Troi, but I've come to like Marina, she always has a good story for the fans.
@@SuperKing604 Yep. As were Uhura, T'Pol, Seven of Nine, Jadzia, and so many more. I do think Jeri Ryan has good comedic ability, just a funny person when I've seen her interviewed, but man! Catsuit, high heels and a French twist?
.... Marina was, originally, hired to play the role of security chief "Lt. Tasha Yar".... whereas Denise Crosby (who acted the "Tasha Yar" character, instead) was supposed to be the ship's counselor....
I want her and Jonathan Frakes to get that Star Trek sitcom they like to talk about where they're married and Worf is their dog and Data is the crazy uncle.
Malcolm Reynolds we’re actually at the point now where nobody has made any serious reference to racism, but you and another have already started crying about the mean SJWs.
This is the best interview I've seen with her. And the best produced with the clips. A pity she wasn't actually watching them with us on screen and tearing them up. I think that's a big statement because she's done so many interviews and things, way too many in my view but I think it's how she's earn't a crust and delighted many an attendee at those events in the process. One thing I did notice here was the absence of Troi's sexy voice. Her voice is deeper now, if she was going to unleash the full Troi it would have been here I would have thought.
I'd like to ask Marina "You used an accent to make Deanna sound different, because she's part Betazoid, how did you feel when no one else bothered and just used their regular voice?"
Idk where I heard it but apparently she was pissed because she had to do an accent. In her words, “why doesn’t Patrick Stewart have to do an accent? He’s supposed to be french!” And when Majel Barrett showed up as her mother, she was pissed again because they didn’t make her do the accent. Their excuse was she gets the accent from her father, not her mother. So she was pissed again when we finally see her father and he doesn’t have an accent either.
@@tuberholic There was a Fresh Air episode a few weeks ago where Patrick Stewart did his French accent for Terry Gross and it was hilarious. He said he would have learned it properly for the role if he had to, but the producers didn't want him to.
I've just binge watched all of NG this year, to cover any episodes I missed first time around. When you watch that way the dialogue tropes stand out a lot. "Level three diagnostic, please Mr LaForge"; "I cannot feel anything", says Mr Data. "Red Alert" pickard; "shields up" RIker. It must be worse for the actors to have to repeat lines they have already said.
Are you kidding me? The single most useful piece of psychiatric advice I've ever heard came from Counselor Troi. "There are no negative emotions." For example uncontrolled anger is like a wildfire but focused, it's like a welding torch.
Unfortunately people like Marina and some of the Doctor Who companions (mainly Janet Fielding) have this warped view in their head, that just gets exaggerated over time, that their character was useless, did nothing, served no purpose etc. Its become so ingrained in their memories that they genuinely can't see it objectively - that their character WERE loved and DID fit in exactly where they were supposed to in the overall plan.
@@garym6315 @Gary M having a few good moments doesn't change the fact that she was very rarely useful. We remeber picard as being smart despite a few rare dumb things he did, so similarly the few times troi was useful dont undermine the many times she wasnt. A character may break out of their usual role occasionally, but if thats the way they are wtitten 90% of the time then its perfectly fine to say they were always that way, as its a very common use of hyperbole for emphasis (when you say for example that someone is "never on time" for their job you dont literally mean never just that they rarely are on time). from most people ive talked to and from popularity polls, dianna and tegan are some of the least popular main charcters on their respective shows and many share similar criticisms of them to their actresses. Now, popularity *does not* make something true, however their characters are not "loved" as you put it. You have a point that in some cases these characters were utilised more often than is generally remembered, however the point that they were underutilized most of the time still stands in a lot of cases.
One good line out of billions does not make her useful all of a sudden. Also her line ended up having some pretty bad effects in the episodes story due to how it was interpreted, so thats not a good example of her being useful anyway.
I don't think the point of that line is that anger or other supposedly negative emotions can be useful. In fact, even with a very generous definition of the word "useful," I would probably disagree with that claim. Rather, I think the point is that judging an emotion to be "negative" reflects a lack of understanding that our internal emotional states are largely beyond our control, and that we are free to choose morally right and wrong actions regardless of our emotional states. In that sense, there are no inherently "negative" or "bad" emotions. If I recall the episode correctly, Data needed to learn that emotional maturity consists of accepting these changing emotional states, and that he can act in the way he knows is right without being held hostage by his emotions. In the episode, the conflict with Lore is a nice representation of this very principle.
Being an actor myself, I can let you in on a little secret. When we have to learn phrases that we don’t understand, we simply get the rhythm and sound of the phrase and say it with conviction. It’s like song lyrics but without the singing. Some of us sometimes take the time to study the subject about which we are speaking but when there isn’t enough time to do that, we take this shortcut.
@@AstroTomK He's had the phlox profile pic for a while. He just updated it with new giant open eyes that really fit the extended smile well lol. Phlox was a great character imo.
@marvelous LIE; Which of course is typical leftist double-talk irrationality, because "Star Trek" was supposedly about believing in differences in ideas and cultures, which is why liberalism doesn't work. You can't have it both ways and state that, "I believe that it is delightful that we're all different as long as we are all left of center".
Bessie D. Are you suggesting that Republicans would be okay with a future where national sovereignty is gone and one big government is in charge of not only every country on earth but multiple planets, and free market capitalism is seen as a symptom of a primitive age compared to the socialist future? Star Trek presents certain political ideologies as necessary for the advancement of the human race, you kind of can’t do that without having some political leanings.
My favorite Troi-doesn't-understand-science exchange is from the episode "Disaster": TROI: Yes. How big is a quantum filament? O'BRIEN: It can be hundreds of metres long, but it has almost no mass, which makes it very difficult to detect. TROI: So, it's like a cosmic string? O'BRIEN: No. that's a completely different phenomenon.
It's interesting how a vast majority of fans point out her shortcomings (and rightfully so) however that should be something taken up with the writers. I personally feel her character potential could have been much greater if the writers had been more creative with how they used her in the series/movies.
That’s what happens when some characters become more popular than others. Riker never went anywhere. Troi and Doctor Crusher also fell by the wayside. Tasha Yar got killed off. But Picard, Data and Worf took off. One thing I will never understand though is why they wasted so much time with Wesley Crusher. Everyone hated him! Lol
Thine Own Self's B plot is one of my favorite TNG episodes. It's when they made her a proper officer, and I felt like she handled it like any reasonably normal person would.
@@ananousous *Villain with a nefarious facial expression, gleefully rubbing his hands together.* Captain, I can sense he may be trying to deceive us. It's unclear though /faceplam
I agree with so much that is funny about this and I am a little pissed all those writers didn’t do better by our gal… I’m not sure anyone has even mentioned that they saddled her (and I absolutely ADORED Majel, so don’t get the wrong idea) with practically the only open ‘joke’ character as her mother. Lol. And when she guest starred the writers immediately had her upstaging Troi.. ugh. No respect it seemed. Lol. And yet, Marina Sirtis pulled it out. I would have been so upset had they changed her out for a different bridge officer. She always felt relevant and important to me. I am SO GLAD they finally had her save the day at the end of Picard s3. Marina you and the rest of the cast mean so much to me. I am so grateful for the smiles, the excitement, the joy!! Does that sound weird? It’s not. It’s not even a little weird. You have been such good friends to me. You have my sincerest respect as actors and you have all the love in my heart. Thank you thank you thank you.
Beautiful! I always cracked up when Miles warned of a containment breach and Deanna says: "What does that mean?" Jesus, Deanna! Not only didn't you listen in class but you've never watched a single episode? :D
Katee Sackhoff (Starbuck) has the similar hurdle in her scripts in Battlestar Galactica. She said her worst line was..... "We've got violent decompression radiating from the port flight pod"
Troi was a bad character, it was a crux for lazy writers to have her to say "Captain, I sense..." and voila now we know what a character is up to and the writers don't actually have to write it or develop it. And the worst thing about it all was the actress is great.
Troi was a bit of a writer's crutch, and a was of telegraphing to the audience things that were pretty obvious through the way they were acted. After watching a few episodes it is pretty clear when someone has ulterior motives and it doesn't require an empathic character to point it out. That said, Troi did allow for a better gender balance amongst the cast and it's not unreasonable that a ship that size would indeed have a counsellor. It does raise the question as to whether they would be bridge crew, and the lack of someone in a similar position in later series indicates they realised that there aren't that many interesting stories for them. DS9 only had a counsellor in its final year, as a replacement when Terry Farrell left.
"Lazy writers" and "lack of developement" are the buzzwords of storytelling criticism, always used without context, and expected to stand on their own. One off characters hardly need developement, their purpose being to introduce the main conflict of the episode. Streamlining a small part of that process isn't lazy, because to my knowledge it has never replaced developpement. Troi's powers were never used as an absolute answer.
Except that in the vast majority of cases she didn't reveal anything that was either a) useful, or b) not obvious to anyone paying attention. This is the real reason they shouldn't have made her an empath. If used logically, this power would solve too many problems and ruin the suspense of many episodes. So the writers did the only thing they could: which was to mostly push her into the background while constantly reminding us that she is indeed an empath on whom Picard relies heavily (even though he doesn't need to if we're being honest).
That last line reminds me of how Noah Wyle still had an extended train of medical jargon memorized from the pilot episode of ER many, many years later because it had to be done in one take.
If they'd only given her the regular uniform earlier, she'd have gotten stuff to do, lol. HR is a thankless job but thank you for your years of Troi, Marina!
This woman has no filter and I love her for that. She openly states how dumber her character got based on the amount of cleavage she was supposed to show. Nobody thought her character was more useless than her. But (at least in the early days), she was probably best to fans. She was the most grateful to her fans and funny as hell. Troi was largely a useless character on the show who stated the obvious. (Guinan was probably the better ship counselor). But Marina Sirtis is awesome. One of my favorite things in ST:Picard was seeing get a chance to really act. TNG was great but it wasn't perfect. They missed some opportunities with her.
Troi is the one who makes star trek watchable because even trekies don't understand the jargon. So we need someone on the bridge to say, 'what does that mean??'. :)
@@jwjones1979 Agreed. Her acting in that episode was so refined and nuanced. The way she hugged Picard, then stepped back and simply gave him that look was just amazing. Then when she ripped him about falling to captain mode when he needed to be nurturing. The line, "I'm not as brave as I use to be." Was beautifully written and acted by her. Made that episode so real for all these characters in this stage of their lives. Nepenthe tired a lot of strings together.
@@derekfrost8991 The jargon all makes perfect sense to me. I can't imagine what is confusing about an artificial quantum singularity being used as a power source.
There should have been an on going joke throughout the series where whenever she said her line "I sense blah, blah, blah" someone would reply, "Ya think?" Let's face it, she was eye candy. But we still love her.
1:49 - One of my favorite moments of the series, where Troi out-geeks Geordi. Still makes me laugh, especially with Data and Geordi's shared expression.
I guess it's inherent to making her character a ship's counselor that she is not generally involved with technical and command duties but rather with the psychological problems of the crew as well as anyone else they encounter. I feel like that can still be a pretty meaningful role though. Except I guess she felt a bit jealous of the commanders and technical experts
her counciling usually sucked too though, her track record on that is only slightly better than other stuff. The fucking bartender was better at it than she was.
I’m watching Star Trek for the first time, and I liked the two episodes where she really has to step up.. the one shown in the video and I think there was another one where she had to come up with a plan with Geordi, but I can’t remember exactly what.. I think a way of communicating with someone. But yeah, really liked the episodes where she got to prove her worth.
She didnt mention her other reoccuring significant line. The one wear she scrunches her face, grabs her temples, crumples a little, and says "i feel they are in pain".
Diana Troi: a character so unnessesary that her abilities were on par with a business man from the mid 1900s that has never seen an alien before. Businuss guy: HE'S BLUFFING, He's just trying to get you to give HIM information. He doesn't know anything! Diana: yes, indeed.... i do sense an air of concealment around him... i sense that he is hiding a lack of knowledge behind all his bluster... I sense this with my alien space mind magic.
Apparently in the novels, after struggling to adapt to the 24th century, that guy was eventually appointed as Ambassador to Ferenginar. By then he'd learned enough about the 24th century and the Federation to reasonably well represent them and their interests, but his real value was in his understanding of the Ferengi way of thinking which was a lot more alien to 24th century Federation citizens. He later ended up Secretary of Commerce or something. He filled a valuable niche for the Federation. Sirtis is awesome, but Troi really was pretty useless. What a wasted character.
Have you noticed that in the film "ST: First Contact" in the scene where Efram Cochrane is getting her drunk, the more pissed she gets, the more British her accent gets!
When Jellico made her put on her proper uniform Troi's IQ jumped. I much preferred her as the intelligent bridge officer who happens to be the ship's counselor (and did a good job at that too) than the "Captain my boobs sense something but I don't know what it is" dim headshrinker we had in the previous seasons.
Marina Sirtis was the second sexiest woman in the show. The sexiest-- by a mile, no contest, no one else was even close-- was Gwynyth Walsh, who played B'etor, Lursa's sister, remember the two Klingon women? Well, look at this where she's not covered in makeup: th-cam.com/video/HSihZcqQ29I/w-d-xo.htmlm8s
It's just a more exotic way to say “artificial black hole”. People were worried we were going to accidentally create one with the Large Hadron Collider.
It's such a shame they never made any real star trek again in the last 15 years _But what about STD, or Mr.Magoo in space (aka Picard)? Or that disgusting new cartoon Lowered Expectations Decks_ I say again, *it's a crying shame they never made any **_real Star Trek_** again in the last 15 years.*
I will say a few parts of Picard weren't bad - although that was as much about nostalgia - and occasionally Season 2 STD could entertain me - and I did enjoy the first rebooted Star Trek movie - but overall I agree with you about the sad state of Star Trek in the 21st century
@@jamesrawlins735 There was some real good effort in some of the new _Trek-like_ tv series, they look nice, neat props & uniforms, the locations and sets were mostly cool, Pike and some almost regular stores were by far the best thing about STD. But when the heart of the main story arcs and so many characters are just silly and/or repulsive, and especially are almost the opposite of TOS and TNG-era "Starfleet ideals"... it's like ugly monsters are just wearing Star Trek as a skin suit. The Chris Pine Trek movies were pretty good, I originally thought Star Trek Beyond was kinda bad and a little ridiculous, but a Red Letter Media review makes a convincing argument that it's actually a pretty good movie (what with character arcs and plot progression and what not). I'm actually just starting to watch Star Trek New Voyages, they look cool (and Spock has one heck of a chin). But watching in _chronological order_ (they've got a playlist, logically I thought it would be best to watch that way), was a mistake; it starts with a crazy fever dream by President Nixon that's nuts. _[PS. Everyone should watch the Red Letter Media reviews of the Star Wars prequels! GOLD!]_
They completely failed to utilize this character. They gave all the actual therapist-type stuff to Guinan, and all she did was 'sense unease' in people who were obviously ill at ease.
I remember those times in the pilot episode where Deanna Troi says , “I sense pain”, or “I sense confusion.” I realized back then that Star Trek: The Next Generation is going to need some work considering that the characters were not easy to like in the beginning. Over time, it all changed.
I'd think they'd have something better than leg waxing centuries from now. But then Picard's bald, because he doesn't care. Ro never has that mole removed because ancient Bajoran tradition. Or it's banned like genetic modification.
In the Star Trek universe, they could always do a bunch of cool things but decided to do it old-school for the sake of holding on to tradition or remaining connected to their simple origins.
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Troi was the only crew member that could hear the spooky underscore.
dun dun durrrrr!
hahahah im still scared of xylophones and old french women with tea in corridors to this day
did danny elfman do the spooky music for star trek AND the Simpsons treehouse of horror and xfiles episodes?
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That's hilarious.
I'm imagining a Troi who doesn't actually care about anyone on the Enterprise, she just wants the fucking music to stop. She's smart enough to have to realized it will stop sooner if she spouts psychobabble or senses emotions that are painfully obvious to everyone. It's like that episode "The Survivors", except it's the entire show.
I love how Troi's voice is so gentle and posh and Marina's voice is just full on cackling Adele 😂
She’s great - very down to earth. I’d go for a few beers with her.
She had a great voice in the show didn't she? lol But in real life WTF ? LOL
There were a couple instances in the show where the "Adele" accent slipped out: when she was yelling at Dr. Crusher in "The Loss," and when she was chewing out Riker for wanting to get revenge for Picard's "death" in "Gambit."
@@cubdukat In the TNG movies she seamed to just completely drop the Troi accent all together and just talks like normal Marina Sirtis
@@kevinator41 I don't know what happened why she decided to go chav.
I like that she openly criticises how her character was written. A lot of actors take that kind of thing really personally and feel like a criticism of the character is a criticism of them.
Nowadays they even take criticism of the show as criticism of them.
Marina was always outspoken and has told fans she had issues with the way Troi was written & portrayed in the TNG - especially in the early seasons. For instance, she was dressed in that skimpy catsuit instead of a regular uniform, being treated like sex object (i.e., the episode where a replica of herself created by Barclay was dressed in a skimpy Greek dress inside the holodeck), and being emotionally assaulted/mind-raped by alien guests several times (e.g., in the episode where an alien impregnated Troi, then she gave birth to a child who quickly died, only to find out it was all part of an experiment). Marina has gone on the record that the latter is her least favorite TNG episode.
The show runners only changed Troi's role and portrayal during the last two TNG seasons (giving her a proper uniform, giving plots where Troi could show herself as a proper Starfleet officer instead of being merely a 'victim' of others- (i.e., when she was turned into a Romulan in 'Face of the Enemy.'). But some of the plots they had for her didn't quite work out (Worf and Troi were a couple? It 'never' happened).
@@LGranthamsHeir I was wondering where Troi/Worf came from.
"We need a storyline for Troi."
"We need a storyline for Worf."
"Sayyy . . ."
Only the new generation of snowflakes do that.
@@Yusuke_Denton Here's how the old breed handled criticism of their shit:
Michael Caine on the terrible Jaws 4:
"I have never seen it, but by all accounts it's terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific!"
She always makes me laugh! “Jonathan, didn’t I go to Starfleet Academy?!” Lol
River: Yes you did. You were getting your legs waxed!
Right. Don't you wanna see her do stand up or more comedy?
@@sofiyork5881 Wow, get over yourself and lighten up. It was a joke.
One thing that drove me crazy throughout that series was the fact that Rodenberry never had any real comprehension of military rank or organizational structures. There are separate commissioning pipelines for line officers, that is to say the people who would actually serve on the bridge and engineering, and support personnel like doctors, lawyers, etc. Troy would have gone to the Academy but she would have been in a pipeline with a syllabus designed for medical specialists. She wouldn't get any command or engineering training because those things aren't relevant to her function just as Picard wouldn't be given extensive medical training.
@@chardtomp That's been explained in various places in Trek lore. The idea is that serving on a star ship isn't really analogous to serving in the Navy even though they kept naval terminology. If something goes wrong on an aircraft carrier that disables the ship, it gets towed to somewhere to get repaired within a week or so, and is surrounded by friendlies (the carrier group) full-time to keep it safe. And the sailors can breathe the whole time it's disabled because it's not in space and doesn't need to make its own atmosphere.
On a star ship you might be *months* from the nearest friendly port and farther than that from the nearest ship that can help. If a disaster happens that takes out half the crew, then having the doctor and the psychologist know how to help run the ship increases the chances that they'll make it home.
I enjoyed the episode with Troi in command because it was a nice example of how a leader can demonstrate wisdom and come out on top by admitting their shortcomings and trusting and relying on their staff.
I agree with you! I really disliked how Data and Picard always solved the problem of the episode without really relying on the staff! In Ensigns of Command, Data was allowed to be a leader while Troi was reduced to the supportive speech! It made no sense whatsoever that Troi couldn't look at a treaty and find a loophole! The writers did this many times to the supporting characters, especially to the detriment of Troi!
MN Hill
Difference was she was a staff officers while others were officers of the line.
@@2bituser569 I have to disagree! Barclay isn't in the line of command and he's allowed to solve problems all the time! The same goes for Wesley or Miles!
MN Hill
Officer of the line isn’t the direct line of ascension like 3rd, 2nd, 1st officer. Officer of the line is one who can take command like Worf. Worf is a chief by title but an academy graduate with command qualifications. Dr Crusher, Counselor Troi, and probably most science blue shirts are professional staff officers. They have the same ranks as command officers but skipped most of the training. While Lt Cmdr outranks Ensign the Ensign can assume command if they are a line officer with the qualifications for command. Lt Cmdr like Troi was purely professional in her own specific field. Until Crusher and Troi took the bridge test or in tos tmp movie era it was the Kobayashi Maru they cannot assume command. Even a non com like O’Brien would take command over Troi. After upgrading her officer status she can command.
Also, helping to figure out problems is not same as being in command. Most problems are fixed by the lower officers of either type.
During the incident where Troi took command Ensign Laren must not been aware Troi was only a staff officer. Most crew were not liking Ro so likely O’Brien used Troi for him to take command over her.
@@2bituser569 In Disaster, it appeared that neither Miles, Ro nor Troi were line officers, which is why Troi was given command as the highest ranking officer. That said, there were several times in which Troi was left in charge of an away team--Master Piece Society comes to mind. However, you can't say that Worf ranked higher than Troi just because he was in security as he was very seldom left in command of the bridge and he didn't wear red until he transferred to DS9. Troi even outranked Geordi and Worf in Nemesis. The exception to this rule was Data, who was left in charge of the bridge the most. The truth of the matter was that until Descent and Thine Own Self, rank of the departmental officers was seldom talked about! It was always assumed that all the officers who sat at a briefing had been to the academy and had fulfilled basic courses in leadership. In his time, Gene Roddenberry never gave full disclosure of how ranks worked outside of rudimentary explanation. Likewise, Wesley who sat at navigation for over three years would never out rank any officer on the bridge! I understand what you're saying. However, you do have to admit there was no clear rule that the writers of TNG followed--rather officers were "invented" as the need arose! Btw, Miles was also a "chief" as well, but that didn't allow him to out rank Troi, who graduated from the academy! Indeed, in the first year of TNG Worf, who had the lowest rank aside from Geordi, served under Tasha until her death. He stayed in that position until Generations, meaning that Troi outranked him as well as Geordi for seven years of TNG! When she took her officer's test, she outranked everyone except Crusher, Riker and Picard! The fact Troi, who is "only" a counselor, outranked Data is a known sore spot among fans who believe that Troi's promotion was not well earned! Hence the reason for taking Troi down a peg every chance they get including being pi$$ed that Troi beat Data at three dimensional chess!
Even I didn't think Troi was so dumb as to not know what "losing antimatter containment" means. They could just as easily have had her pause in a moment of realization and say, "the ship will explode."
I give the benefit of the doubt and assume she's asking how bad the explosion will be - like, lose half the ship, or all the ship. Might be giving too much benefit though :)
You have to undertsand: Riker wasn't on the bridge to ask the stupid questions and spell things out to the audience, so someone had to take his place, and boy did they exagerate it. Hell, this is the same episode where she had to be told what her rank was and that she was in charge of the ship.
@@r0bw00d Hey, RO was the one who had to be reminded Troi's rank was! As long as we're labeling people ignorant haha. And Troi...miiiight have known she was in command, but was content to let O'Brien point it out?
@@antourte1 Given the look on her face, I'd say otherwise. Troi's expression was that of a deer caught in headlights.
@@r0bw00d But you admit! The deer KNEW it was in the headlights. Boom.
- He's concealing something...
- What ?
- I do not know, he's concealing it.
I would pay for DVD commentary with her and Frakes for all the Trek.. Their commentary on ST: Insurrection was hysterical.
Frakes: "My Imzadi."
Sirtis: "My Zimbabwe ."
Oh thanks, I to check this one out
Oh, yeah. Party atmosphere with drinks and stuff with JF and her and the crew. Just sitting around BSing. Wouldn't that be great. Frakes could play the trombone, etc. God that'd be great.
Please God let this happen before your reset is complete. Amen.
@@TheTuubster "Ew Johnny! What's wrong with his face, Johnny!?"
Unpopular opinion: I actually found Troi to be a believable character (if a little annoying at times).
What I liked about Troi is that she _wasn't_ some incredibly brilliant technical genius possessed of an astonishingly detailed understanding of the inner workings of a starship and a dizzying array of astronomical anomalies. Everyone else around her seemed to always have at hand a theoretical answer to almost _every_ possible dilemma. While that's great for moving the plot forward, Troi brought a very different skill set to the table. Her empathic ability saved the Enterprise many times over, most notably in _Night Terrors_ . Honestly, I found it believable that there would be some people on board who would not be technical experts on esoteric gaseous anomalies, string theory, and warp drive technology. Her work to pass the officer exams near to the end of the series was an interesting and, again, believable, arc for her character that had its genesis in the episode where she had to take command during a crisis and was unprepared.
TL/DR: Counselor Troi possesses an intelligence that the other characters lack and stepped up the plate to save the day multiple times.
Her intelligence boiled down to basic empathy, or rather voicing very basic emotional observations, she was a very poorly written character 95% of the time. Other characters total lack of emotional awareness does not excuse the one-dimensionness of her role. They could have written the character well performing exactly the same role, but they didn't.
I think her character is well-conceived and I like her a lot but to be honest, I think in particular her scenes where she's being a therapist to crew members (like Barclay) were better in the movies/Voyager than in TNG.
I think where Troi shone the most in TNG was in her scenes where she advised Picard, though. I think those were always very well done.
As far as knowing things goes, even if she's not an expert, I think it's stretching things beyond the realm of reason when a Lieutenant Commander doesn't know what a warp core containment breach is. If you're that rank, there's a nonzero chance you'll end up in command of some unit of people during an emergency, and you have to at least know the essentials.
As far as her bringing a new skill set to the table, I agree with you. When stories involving her empathic powers and the consequences/uses of them were written well, they were really good. But the problem is they weren't always written well.
I'm sorry but she knew basically nothing about the ship, not even basic functions. Even the audience was aware of what a containment breach is. You don't end up on the flagship without knowing something. The only character as one dimensional as hers was, was Worf. Almost every other character had some secondary skill-set that allowed them to perform different roles in an episode. What exactly was Troi's?
@@Fr3k3 I've always assumed Troi's secondary function, and why she was senior staff, was diplomacy. She was the one who had to talk to Mistress Beata on Angel One to allow them to beam down. She was usually seated at the table for many negotiations and then when the Enterprise is hosting the Evora in Insurrection, she is the one briefing the captain. I doubt that most ship's counselors have those duties. Troi studied psychology prior to going to Starfleet Academy. I assume when she got to the Academy, she also had additional coursework in diplomacy, which generally would be for those under the Command tract, along with some more advanced psychology classes. Most of those in the Science tract probably only have basic knowledge of ship's systems, depending on what their field of study is. It's likely, for this reason, why Beverly said she would not be in line for command until after the last ensign in Engineering.
@@sisteriris4131 the issue of rank is a sticky one though. When Julian Bashir graduated from Starfleet Medical, he was a Lt. JG. For those in Science, especially Medical, it appears their rank also has to do with the level of training they may receive in their position. I would assume that the highest rank those in Science can obtain would be Lt. Cmdr without taking the Bridge Officer's test or being given an arbitrary promotion, like Kirk did to McCoy. When Jadzia become Lt. Cmdr, I surmise it is because she took the Bridge Officer's Test, though she may have been able to obtain the rank without it. We know she had to have taken the test at some point because she was given command of the Defiant by Admiral Ross.
Didn’t know Sirtis’ accent was so East End London, Hackney Gurl.
I knew she was a Londoner, but it's strong as hell. Love it.
Yeah that’s what shocked my Mrs when she first met her at a convention: “oh my god she’s an Essex slaaaaaaaag” (in an endearing way)
She never let that slip on the show. I'm always amazed at how naturally Britons do an American accent while the reverse is not even close.
In TNG I thought she was greek or something, she had a foreign accent and appearance, but as Trek progressed she started becoming more and more english both in accent and appearance, how does she do that? lol she's some kind of ethno morpher.
@Daniel Natal Shs is a Betazoid so I guess that's the accent?
Hyperrunner she is Greek by birth/heritage but born in London to Greek parents.
Troi: “I can tell you’re upset.”
K’Elyer: “Did your finely honed Betazed senses tell you that?”
Troi: “That and the table.”
They needed to decide what they wanted the "Counselor" role to actually mean. At first, it was more like being Consul to the Captain on the bridge - someone who could advise on leadership strategies and intergalactic relations. Then, she ended up being a Counselor, as in someone who helps people work through coping & conflict in their everyday life. If she's the former, it makes sense for her to actually be on the bridge and wearing a real Starfleet uniform. If she's the latter, it makes sense for her to be called in occasionally for a mediation, but generally be working outside the bridge and interacting with the passengers. It's strange that they watered down her role so much that she ended up being basically neither of these things. I personally think it would be neat to really see the life of a ship's counselor - kind of like if you were to follow a chaplain in the military - but I think Roddenberry wouldn't have allowed it because he basically thought all societal ills (including mental health) would have been cured, so there's no need for a Mental Health/Family & Marriage Counselor on the Enterprise. (That's why Barclay is such an anomaly, but also basically a more interesting character than almost any of the women on TNG.)
That's a great point. A lot of people say that Troi's _character_ isn't defined, but that's not really it. As a person, she's as well defined as LaForge or Riker. The issue is that Troi's _role_ isn't defined. It would have been very interesting if TNG had made it clear that Troi was the 24th century equivalent of a chaplain, and then fully exploring what that means.
Troi's situation is more or less the reverse of Dr. Crusher, who I feel is the weakest main character on TNG. Crusher's role is very clearly defined, but we never really get much of a sense of her as a person beyond that of a vaguely pleasant, soft-spoken, competent professional. I think it's pretty clear that the writers had other characters they were more interested or more confident in writing for.
@@andrewyancy8639 That is so well put and so true! I liked Gates McFadden, but other than a little interest I. A holodeck detective story, she had nothing going on!
Great points. I think the idea of a counselor being needed could have been rescued by the notion that the crew is doing something never done before (extended stay in space) and encountering never before seen threats to their psyche (threats of the unknown). She could also be useful in mediating conflicts in the crew. Eventually, her role as truly intergalactic space counselor gotten take by Guinan anyway.
TNG was ending when Babylon 5 started airing, but I think Troi would have been a good way to explore some of the setting more, like the glimpses you get in Babylon 5 from the news segments, or various public spaces, etc. She could have been a way to explore the crew dynamics, and how society adapts to long-term deep space assignment. But TNG just wasn’t structured for that type of storytelling (I think DS9 was where they really started using that type).
Despite her character being poorly written, we could not imagine an ST:TNG without Troi. That my friends is the highest compliment you can give an actor!
OMG disagree she was a ridiculous character.
I think that's just the highest complement you can give _this_ actor
She was really important. Her inclusion on the bridge sent a message that empathy, feelings, and mental wellness were just as important to a ship as weapons, shields, and helm. A whole generation of people is less fucked up than they could be because of that message.
I can. It'd be better without her. She'd have been a better member of the ship. Maybe let her stay the councilor, but get her off the bridge. If she had better writing, that would change.
over the seasons, her character got better. Season 1 was just awful, but she really grew over the 7 years
Marina Sirtis is “such a love”, as the Brits would say. Someone you wish you could sit around and chat with all day! She certainly knows to not take it too seriously!
old trollop as brits would say.
Troi was literally in a space cheerleader outfit in the beginning lmao
Yep :)
but they put a couple guy extras in em too, so it's fair!
All that was missing were the pom-poms and the hair bow.
I sense that she wasn't hiding something.
I got to see her at a convention, she was absolutely beautiful.
O’Neill: So, what’s your impression of Alar?
Teal’c: That he is concealing something.
O’Neill: Like what?
Teal’c: I am unsure. He is concealing it.
Why about the guy who has a weird thing where he gets a power trip when wearing a g-string to major meetings but is super paranoid about anyone finding out?
I did not like Richard Dean Anderson's acting in the first season. It seemed like he did not really want to be in that series and was just going through the motions. It probably had something to do with the cheap production...every planet they visited looked like the pacific northwest. Later when the production value went up he got into the role a lot better. I'm sure by the end of the series the main actors were very well compensated per episode.
@Benjamin Muller thats why its O'Neill. WITH 2 Ls! (Bonus points because he's yelling at Jellico).
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@@michaeljorgensen790 All ten seasons looked like it was filmed in the PNW because it was. They even adressed it in one episode basically saying the ancients only put gates on certain kinds of planets. We found out later that asumption wasn't true, like the gate staying open only for 23 minutes. However by adding that bit of dialog it made the point the Show Runners were listening to the fan's complants.
Kree! Wrong show, shol’va!
Someone needs to tell her that professionally-qualified people in the military often don't do the full academy course. Doctors (and mental health specialists) in current militaries do a short course and commission directly to a fairly advanced rank. So no, she wouldn't have expertise in starship engineering. And neither would most other people, to be honest, although they all seem to.
Well said. Many of the characters you meet in Star Trek are academic or medical specialists. If like modern military service:
Commissioned personnel outside the command staff would not have extensive military training. The Historian in Space Seed, the psychologist in Dagger of the Mind, Bones, Crusher, Chapel,. the Geologist, etc...
Most were written as non military. The yellow and red shirts in TOS were written as academy "men" from Sulu to Uhura to Mr Leslie to Scotty.
Viewers in 1966 understood that as most adult viewers were vets or their dads were. Fewer in 1988, fewer in 2001, and very few today.
Huh great point actually mate
The Enterprise isn't a military ship
I think everybody in the 24th century would know about matter/antimatter power generation, at least in broad outline, the same way you know (I hope) how an internal combustion engine works, without being able to fix one necessarily
@@inspace9609 This is strictly true; Starfleet is not supposed to be a military organisation. That said I think we can probably refer to it safely as a paramilitary organisation which wears uniform, uses rank, and has some concept of officers and other ranks. As such I think comparing it to a military in this context is probably pretty reasonable.
I love how her accent changed over the years. In early TNG she sounds Greek, later British. In times of TNG era movies she had an American accent and now in ST Picard she sounds Australish. 😄
makes sense... she's Greek, raised in Britain. Spent many years living in Los Angeles. Can't explain the Australish lol
I like the Cum Town guys commentary on this: Troi was the empath with actual human emotions to explain to all the nerds how regular human beings behave
That's a good summation. It frustrates me a little that in all shows like this, some people think everyone has to be a 'strong' commanding officer to be a good character. Just look at how much dull fan fiction is Captain (insert character name). Diversity in television isn't just race or gender, it should be of personalities.
There must be an actual plot writing name for this kind of character. Penny from Big Bang Theory and Summer from Rick & Morty do similar things. It’s like every nerd show needs a non-nerd character for contrast.
@@ncot_tech "writing" and "big bang theory" hardly go together
Brilliant!
Haha Cum Town rules!
Lol yeah the writers overlooked for years that the character went to Starfleet Academy and leaned hard into "shes pretty and dumb, but empathic"....I liked when Jelico made her put a uniform on finally. Arent you a Starfleet officer?!
Trek fans will forgive a lot, Wesley Crusher notwithstanding.
And they did that because she was tired of the body stocking outfits.
1993 was a weird year, and nothing like '87.
@@specialnewb9821 Those outfits actually came about though because the season 1 uniform with the spandex that tucked under the boots wouldn't fit her curvaceous body. It was too revealing if you can believe it so she got the catsuit instead.
She is also a counselor who is an expert in psychology and realizes that more casual dress helps to put her patients at ease, making her better at doing her job. Also, she's not dumb. She is shown to be a skilled negotiator with an excellent understanding of human nature. Her smarts save lives multiple times.
90% of Troi scenes:
*on a star ship with a million different sensors* "Captain, I'm not sensing any lifeforms..."
*someone is visibly upset* "I'm sensing you're very angry right now..."
"I can read emotions."
5 minutes later
"I lost at poker again."
I appreciated a lot of what Troi brought to the show. Talking about how people avoid acknowledging a subject because it would dismantle their fantasy, etc. Simple little insights into human behavior that inform the behavior of people we have difficulty with, and could help us see ourselves through a fuller and more lively lens.
Other than tension with Riker that largely played out in the first season, they never figured out what to do with Troi. Crusher had similar issues.
Crusher is a lot more likable than troi at least and has quite a few great episodes, but the lack of direction for her character did become a lot more apparent when i rewatched the show.
@Flightof2Owls its not about where they are going in life its about who she is right now and what the specific flaws/problem she needs to work to overcome are. Like for example spock doesnt change much over the course of Tos (not counting the movies) but if you were asked the specific flaws/problems he has you could easily name them (conflict between his human and vulcan sides, feeling ashamed of his emotions, trying to figure out who he truly is, etc) as well as multiple episodes that focus on him dealing with those. With troi on the other hand its much harder to do that, as her core stuggles are much less defined. Im not an expert so this isnt an amazing explanation but do you at least see where im coming from?
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Dr. Crusher could've and should've been a great Character
Yep Crusher even left the series because of that...
@@gregbryant516 I wondered why she wasn't back then and now. Especially when she was a captain of a science ship but I feel she would have been a pretty tough captain outside of her being a medical officer. Cool and collective but don't get he angry with you. She will put you in your place with knowledge! :)
Person: *shouting, threatening people and throwing things*
Troi: "Captain, I believe this person is angry...possibly upset"
She definitely got screwed over in character development/usefullness. I never liked Troi, but I've come to like Marina, she always has a good story for the fans.
I liked 'possessed Troi' more than Troi. Good acting range.
She was there to be hot
Something I can agree on. On some conventions I got the impression she's a bit bitchy but maybe she just likes to have fun.
@@SuperKing604 Yep. As were Uhura, T'Pol, Seven of Nine, Jadzia, and so many more. I do think Jeri Ryan has good comedic ability, just a funny person when I've seen her interviewed, but man! Catsuit, high heels and a French twist?
.... Marina was, originally, hired to play the role of security chief "Lt. Tasha Yar".... whereas Denise Crosby (who acted the "Tasha Yar" character, instead) was supposed to be the ship's counselor....
Marina Sirtis is the Carrie Fisher of Star Trek.
Awww. I was 18 when TNG came out and it breaks my heart to hear Marina Sirtis talk about menopause.
I want her and Jonathan Frakes to get that Star Trek sitcom they like to talk about where they're married and Worf is their dog and Data is the crazy uncle.
Wow are you a Romulan because you refer to Worf as a dog? Ref (The Neutral Zone TNG)
"Worf is their dog"
DUDE...
You’re referring to Picard Season 2: The Kurtzman Manoeuvre
Malcolm Reynolds we’re actually at the point now where nobody has made any serious reference to racism, but you and another have already started crying about the mean SJWs.
daltysmilth Better: Data is Bob Wheeler from “Night Court”.
Someone is hiding something... Who? Dunno? What? Dunno.... Thank you counselor.
Just pretend she's a scam artist with no empathic abilities at all who keeps almost getting caught but bluffs her way through it every time.
This is the best interview I've seen with her. And the best produced with the clips. A pity she wasn't actually watching them with us on screen and tearing them up.
I think that's a big statement because she's done so many interviews and things, way too many in my view but I think it's how she's earn't a crust and delighted many an attendee at those events in the process.
One thing I did notice here was the absence of Troi's sexy voice. Her voice is deeper now, if she was going to unleash the full Troi it would have been here I would have thought.
It's wonderful that she has a great sense of humor about the character she played and that she can make fun of herself.
I always loved how Honest Marina was about the show. She is just that type of person who will always tell you how it is.
I'd like to ask Marina "You used an accent to make Deanna sound different, because she's part Betazoid, how did you feel when no one else bothered and just used their regular voice?"
Idk where I heard it but apparently she was pissed because she had to do an accent. In her words, “why doesn’t Patrick Stewart have to do an accent? He’s supposed to be french!”
And when Majel Barrett showed up as her mother, she was pissed again because they didn’t make her do the accent. Their excuse was she gets the accent from her father, not her mother.
So she was pissed again when we finally see her father and he doesn’t have an accent either.
You can hear her here with her East London working class accent - remember she was born in Hackney
@@sageisbored Picard would have been hilarious with a Maurice Chevalier (sp) accent!!
@@tuberholic There was a Fresh Air episode a few weeks ago where Patrick Stewart did his French accent for Terry Gross and it was hilarious. He said he would have learned it properly for the role if he had to, but the producers didn't want him to.
@@louisrovegno542 Sir Patrick is a great actor who would have made that totally believable. But it still would have been funny as hell.
I've just binge watched all of NG this year, to cover any episodes I missed first time around. When you watch that way the dialogue tropes stand out a lot. "Level three diagnostic, please Mr LaForge"; "I cannot feel anything", says Mr Data. "Red Alert" pickard; "shields up" RIker. It must be worse for the actors to have to repeat lines they have already said.
Are you kidding me? The single most useful piece of psychiatric advice I've ever heard came from Counselor Troi.
"There are no negative emotions."
For example uncontrolled anger is like a wildfire but focused, it's like a welding torch.
Unfortunately people like Marina and some of the Doctor Who companions (mainly Janet Fielding) have this warped view in their head, that just gets exaggerated over time, that their character was useless, did nothing, served no purpose etc. Its become so ingrained in their memories that they genuinely can't see it objectively - that their character WERE loved and DID fit in exactly where they were supposed to in the overall plan.
@@garym6315 @Gary M having a few good moments doesn't change the fact that she was very rarely useful. We remeber picard as being smart despite a few rare dumb things he did, so similarly the few times troi was useful dont undermine the many times she wasnt.
A character may break out of their usual role occasionally, but if thats the way they are wtitten 90% of the time then its perfectly fine to say they were always that way, as its a very common use of hyperbole for emphasis (when you say for example that someone is "never on time" for their job you dont literally mean never just that they rarely are on time).
from most people ive talked to and from popularity polls, dianna and tegan are some of the least popular main charcters on their respective shows and many share similar criticisms of them to their actresses. Now, popularity *does not* make something true, however their characters are not "loved" as you put it.
You have a point that in some cases these characters were utilised more often than is generally remembered, however the point that they were underutilized most of the time still stands in a lot of cases.
One good line out of billions does not make her useful all of a sudden. Also her line ended up having some pretty bad effects in the episodes story due to how it was interpreted, so thats not a good example of her being useful anyway.
I don't think the point of that line is that anger or other supposedly negative emotions can be useful. In fact, even with a very generous definition of the word "useful," I would probably disagree with that claim.
Rather, I think the point is that judging an emotion to be "negative" reflects a lack of understanding that our internal emotional states are largely beyond our control, and that we are free to choose morally right and wrong actions regardless of our emotional states. In that sense, there are no inherently "negative" or "bad" emotions.
If I recall the episode correctly, Data needed to learn that emotional maturity consists of accepting these changing emotional states, and that he can act in the way he knows is right without being held hostage by his emotions. In the episode, the conflict with Lore is a nice representation of this very principle.
Captain, I sense he’s concealing something.
What is it?
I don’t know, he’s concealing it!
Being an actor myself, I can let you in on a little secret. When we have to learn phrases that we don’t understand, we simply get the rhythm and sound of the phrase and say it with conviction. It’s like song lyrics but without the singing. Some of us sometimes take the time to study the subject about which we are speaking but when there isn’t enough time to do that, we take this shortcut.
Idk if you just changed your Phlox profile pic. But that new one just freaked me out lol. Well done!
Cursed Star Trek images lol
It freaked me out too XD
Love the new profile pic. Phlox was one of the best, a unique doctor.
@@AstroTomK He's had the phlox profile pic for a while. He just updated it with new giant open eyes that really fit the extended smile well lol. Phlox was a great character imo.
That was kinda cute. I'm glad to see shes still got a sense of humor I was worried that she was getting bitter with age.
She seems like such a fun person
marvelous LIE nah I think that’s just a common sense observation
she is bitter af with delusions of grandeur.
@marvelous LIE; Which of course is typical leftist double-talk irrationality, because "Star Trek" was supposedly about believing in differences in ideas and cultures, which is why liberalism doesn't work. You can't have it both ways and state that, "I believe that it is delightful that we're all different as long as we are all left of center".
Bessie D. Are you suggesting that Republicans would be okay with a future where national sovereignty is gone and one big government is in charge of not only every country on earth but multiple planets, and free market capitalism is seen as a symptom of a primitive age compared to the socialist future? Star Trek presents certain political ideologies as necessary for the advancement of the human race, you kind of can’t do that without having some political leanings.
she sent Geordie to his death
George died in picard??????
@@Sherlock245 it was a holographic Geordi from a TNG episode.
Simulation
I think there's a famous quote....
Needs of the few, or something.
Wasn't she training to be captain?
My favorite Troi-doesn't-understand-science exchange is from the episode "Disaster":
TROI: Yes. How big is a quantum filament?
O'BRIEN: It can be hundreds of metres long, but it has almost no mass, which makes it very difficult to detect.
TROI: So, it's like a cosmic string?
O'BRIEN: No. that's a completely different phenomenon.
She has such a beautiful voice.
I love her, she is so funny, open and honest
It's interesting how a vast majority of fans point out her shortcomings (and rightfully so) however that should be something taken up with the writers. I personally feel her character potential could have been much greater if the writers had been more creative with how they used her in the series/movies.
That’s what happens when some characters become more popular than others. Riker never went anywhere. Troi and Doctor Crusher also fell by the wayside. Tasha Yar got killed off. But Picard, Data and Worf took off. One thing I will never understand though is why they wasted so much time with Wesley Crusher. Everyone hated him! Lol
@@alienlife7754 Another useless, unbelievable character, who suffered an even more unbelievable ending. I do like Will Wheaton's as an actor though.
It's always funny when actors poke fun at the characters they played.
Goes to prove that even actors are vulnerable too.
I love how Troi's biggest Troll is Troi herself haha.
Thine Own Self's B plot is one of my favorite TNG episodes. It's when they made her a proper officer, and I felt like she handled it like any reasonably normal person would.
He's hiding something...brilliant.
Thank you Captain Obvious, lol
Alien Man: **Starts yelling and complaining about things**
Troi: I can sense that you are very angry
@@ananousous *Villain with a nefarious facial expression, gleefully rubbing his hands together.*
Captain, I can sense he may be trying to deceive us. It's unclear though /faceplam
So sorry about her husband. I want to hug her (and I'm not a hugger).
I hadn't heard that. Bummer. So... open season on Marina Sirtis? :)
@@DanFrederiksen Too soon, man. Too soon.
@@sicklygreyfoot I trust she can appreciate the playful compliment :)
I agree with so much that is funny about this and I am a little pissed all those writers didn’t do better by our gal… I’m not sure anyone has even mentioned that they saddled her (and I absolutely ADORED Majel, so don’t get the wrong idea) with practically the only open ‘joke’ character as her mother. Lol. And when she guest starred the writers immediately had her upstaging Troi.. ugh. No respect it seemed. Lol. And yet, Marina Sirtis pulled it out. I would have been so upset had they changed her out for a different bridge officer. She always felt relevant and important to me. I am SO GLAD they finally had her save the day at the end of Picard s3. Marina you and the rest of the cast mean so much to me. I am so grateful for the smiles, the excitement, the joy!!
Does that sound weird? It’s not. It’s not even a little weird. You have been such good friends to me. You have my sincerest respect as actors and you have all the love in my heart.
Thank you thank you thank you.
Beautiful! I always cracked up when Miles warned of a containment breach and Deanna says: "What does that mean?"
Jesus, Deanna! Not only didn't you listen in class but you've never watched a single episode? :D
Deanna or Marina? Only in Spaceballs could the *characters* watch themselves using "instant cassettes".
@@fhajji - it was a bit of sarcasm mixed with humour. Hence the big ":D" smiley at the end.
i just liked hearing everybody say my name every episode.
I didn't like it when Brad Pitt attacked you.
@@captainpoppleton he did?!? That bastard!!! I'm always the last to know. 😤
Out of anyone on the cast, she would be my favorite to see.
I lived in the UK from 89 to 92 and I remember seeing her in several different TV shows always a fan
She's really funny.North London humor. Love it.
Crikey shes a proper east ender. i would never of thought her with her proper english accent in star trek. what an actress
She must have been so stoked when she got the scripts for her voyager episodes.
I met her at comicon and she couldn't remember that episode where she became a Romulan. She was cool to meet though!
If Marina Sirtis cant take it here, then she might think about a transport ship. There's a lot less pressure there.
tigarforever what?
She is
I hear she's on a transport ship now.
There's a lot less pressure there
She wanted to be coddled
did you just come from that clip too?
The ST equivalent of a Carnival cruise director
Ro proceeds to explain what a container is and then what a breach is.
Katee Sackhoff (Starbuck) has the similar hurdle in her scripts in Battlestar Galactica.
She said her worst line was.....
"We've got violent decompression radiating from the port flight pod"
Troi was a bad character, it was a crux for lazy writers to have her to say "Captain, I sense..." and voila now we know what a character is up to and the writers don't actually have to write it or develop it. And the worst thing about it all was the actress is great.
Making her an empath was a TERRIBLE decision. Making her character a therapist... just no.
Not to mention she was absolutely FETCHING in that little leotard 😍
Troi was a bit of a writer's crutch, and a was of telegraphing to the audience things that were pretty obvious through the way they were acted. After watching a few episodes it is pretty clear when someone has ulterior motives and it doesn't require an empathic character to point it out.
That said, Troi did allow for a better gender balance amongst the cast and it's not unreasonable that a ship that size would indeed have a counsellor. It does raise the question as to whether they would be bridge crew, and the lack of someone in a similar position in later series indicates they realised that there aren't that many interesting stories for them. DS9 only had a counsellor in its final year, as a replacement when Terry Farrell left.
"Lazy writers" and "lack of developement" are the buzzwords of storytelling criticism, always used without context, and expected to stand on their own. One off characters hardly need developement, their purpose being to introduce the main conflict of the episode. Streamlining a small part of that process isn't lazy, because to my knowledge it has never replaced developpement. Troi's powers were never used as an absolute answer.
Except that in the vast majority of cases she didn't reveal anything that was either a) useful, or b) not obvious to anyone paying attention. This is the real reason they shouldn't have made her an empath. If used logically, this power would solve too many problems and ruin the suspense of many episodes. So the writers did the only thing they could: which was to mostly push her into the background while constantly reminding us that she is indeed an empath on whom Picard relies heavily (even though he doesn't need to if we're being honest).
I love her sense of humor.
That last line reminds me of how Noah Wyle still had an extended train of medical jargon memorized from the pilot episode of ER many, many years later because it had to be done in one take.
If they'd only given her the regular uniform earlier, she'd have gotten stuff to do, lol. HR is a thankless job but thank you for your years of Troi, Marina!
She's gotten more beautiful with age.
What's more important, kindness or honesty?
She has the most seductive voice on the planet
If I was told I was going to die tomorrow in that voice I think I would be okay with it
I absolutely hate it. It's a freak mesh between Greek accent and English (UK) ... It's sounds stupid
I love the vocal change in her.
Huge fan of the show during the 90's and rewatching it now.
This woman has no filter and I love her for that. She openly states how dumber her character got based on the amount of cleavage she was supposed to show. Nobody thought her character was more useless than her. But (at least in the early days), she was probably best to fans. She was the most grateful to her fans and funny as hell. Troi was largely a useless character on the show who stated the obvious. (Guinan was probably the better ship counselor). But Marina Sirtis is awesome. One of my favorite things in ST:Picard was seeing get a chance to really act.
TNG was great but it wasn't perfect. They missed some opportunities with her.
Nepenthe was the gift that kept on giving. Best episode of PIC so far.
Troi is the one who makes star trek watchable because even trekies don't understand the jargon. So we need someone on the bridge to say, 'what does that mean??'. :)
@@jwjones1979 Agreed. Her acting in that episode was so refined and nuanced. The way she hugged Picard, then stepped back and simply gave him that look was just amazing. Then when she ripped him about falling to captain mode when he needed to be nurturing. The line, "I'm not as brave as I use to be." Was beautifully written and acted by her. Made that episode so real for all these characters in this stage of their lives. Nepenthe tired a lot of strings together.
To be honest, some of the animus for the SJWs currently wrecking Trek might actually be sentiments like this.
@@derekfrost8991 The jargon all makes perfect sense to me. I can't imagine what is confusing about an artificial quantum singularity being used as a power source.
There should have been an on going joke throughout the series where whenever she said her line "I sense blah, blah, blah" someone would reply, "Ya think?"
Let's face it, she was eye candy. But we still love her.
Lol she always said the most obvious things. “We Ferengi are insulted that you would accuse us of this crime!”
Troi: “Captain, I sense anger...”
1:00
"...we'll have lost antimatter containment."
"W-what.. What does that mean??"
"It means we EXPLODE, commander."
1:49 - One of my favorite moments of the series, where Troi out-geeks Geordi. Still makes me laugh, especially with Data and Geordi's shared expression.
I guess it's inherent to making her character a ship's counselor that she is not generally involved with technical and command duties but rather with the psychological problems of the crew as well as anyone else they encounter. I feel like that can still be a pretty meaningful role though. Except I guess she felt a bit jealous of the commanders and technical experts
her counciling usually sucked too though, her track record on that is only slightly better than other stuff. The fucking bartender was better at it than she was.
Marina seems like the first person you text when you're getting your homies together to go out drinking ❤️
I’m watching Star Trek for the first time, and I liked the two episodes where she really has to step up.. the one shown in the video and I think there was another one where she had to come up with a plan with Geordi, but I can’t remember exactly what.. I think a way of communicating with someone. But yeah, really liked the episodes where she got to prove her worth.
“Even with the menopause” 😂 Yeah sister!
I've never understood why the British say "the menopause" but not "the hospital" or "the university."
I'm glad she never lost her north London accent.
They gave her one technobabble line and it HAD to have both “quantum” and “singularity” it. That’s some technobabble nonsense latinum right there!
It’s not nonsense though! It’s a miniature black hole. Not like they’re powered by mushrooms..
@@Wagoo correct ... those Rom ships are very heavy, packing even a small blackhole surely makes them heavier than Enterprise, maybe 10 big-E's !
She didnt mention her other reoccuring significant line. The one wear she scrunches her face, grabs her temples, crumples a little, and says "i feel they are in pain".
My favorite “I sense nothing”
Dang she is looking good, she has aged well. 🥰
Riiiiiiiight
Diana Troi: a character so unnessesary that her abilities were on par with a business man from the mid 1900s that has never seen an alien before.
Businuss guy: HE'S BLUFFING, He's just trying to get you to give HIM information. He doesn't know anything!
Diana: yes, indeed.... i do sense an air of concealment around him... i sense that he is hiding a lack of knowledge behind all his bluster... I sense this with my alien space mind magic.
Apparently in the novels, after struggling to adapt to the 24th century, that guy was eventually appointed as Ambassador to Ferenginar. By then he'd learned enough about the 24th century and the Federation to reasonably well represent them and their interests, but his real value was in his understanding of the Ferengi way of thinking which was a lot more alien to 24th century Federation citizens. He later ended up Secretary of Commerce or something. He filled a valuable niche for the Federation.
Sirtis is awesome, but Troi really was pretty useless. What a wasted character.
Have you noticed that in the film "ST: First Contact" in the scene where Efram Cochrane is getting her drunk, the more pissed she gets, the more British her accent gets!
When Jellico made her put on her proper uniform Troi's IQ jumped. I much preferred her as the intelligent bridge officer who happens to be the ship's counselor (and did a good job at that too) than the "Captain my boobs sense something but I don't know what it is" dim headshrinker we had in the previous seasons.
Troi was put there so that teenage boys would start watching. Nobody was jerking off to Gates Mcfadden
She was a pretty woman!
Not anymore LOL
Marina Sirtis was the second sexiest woman in the show. The sexiest-- by a mile, no contest, no one else was even close-- was Gwynyth Walsh, who played B'etor, Lursa's sister, remember the two Klingon women? Well, look at this where she's not covered in makeup: th-cam.com/video/HSihZcqQ29I/w-d-xo.htmlm8s
I always thought she had a strange accent on TNG, almost like a speech impediment. It’s obvious now she was hiding it
Yeh, she was hiding something...didn't know what, didn't know why...until nah, ow muh gawd
Speach impediment wtf are you talking about maybe open your ears 😂😂
It's just a more exotic way to say “artificial black hole”. People were worried we were going to accidentally create one with the Large Hadron Collider.
Although Marina is right, how could Troi know all about Romulan engine technology but absolutely nothing about Starfleet engine technology?
Where is this interview from? Is it on TH-cam?
newstalk
th-cam.com/video/yXzoj4-SRJg/w-d-xo.html
I bet she's an excellent drinking partner.
See: Star Trek: First Contact
It's such a shame they never made any real star trek again in the last 15 years
_But what about STD, or Mr.Magoo in space (aka Picard)? Or that disgusting new cartoon Lowered Expectations Decks_
I say again, *it's a crying shame they never made any **_real Star Trek_** again in the last 15 years.*
Enjoy DS9 again good sir
Then watch reruns of The Expanse on Amazon.
Can’t bear to watch how they’ve massacred my Trek
I will say a few parts of Picard weren't bad - although that was as much about nostalgia - and occasionally Season 2 STD could entertain me - and I did enjoy the first rebooted Star Trek movie - but overall I agree with you about the sad state of Star Trek in the 21st century
@@jamesrawlins735 There was some real good effort in some of the new _Trek-like_ tv series, they look nice, neat props & uniforms, the locations and sets were mostly cool, Pike and some almost regular stores were by far the best thing about STD. But when the heart of the main story arcs and so many characters are just silly and/or repulsive, and especially are almost the opposite of TOS and TNG-era "Starfleet ideals"... it's like ugly monsters are just wearing Star Trek as a skin suit.
The Chris Pine Trek movies were pretty good, I originally thought Star Trek Beyond was kinda bad and a little ridiculous, but a Red Letter Media review makes a convincing argument that it's actually a pretty good movie (what with character arcs and plot progression and what not).
I'm actually just starting to watch Star Trek New Voyages, they look cool (and Spock has one heck of a chin). But watching in _chronological order_ (they've got a playlist, logically I thought it would be best to watch that way), was a mistake; it starts with a crazy fever dream by President Nixon that's nuts.
_[PS. Everyone should watch the Red Letter Media reviews of the Star Wars prequels! GOLD!]_
(Even with the menopause that line is there for eternity🤣😉👌 ) Outstanding 👌😉 Cheers 🍻
Ah, Timescape, one of my favorites! :-)
(I drew that smiley with my finger!)
She looks like the woman who used to play Worf's mother on Next Gen.
Ouch lol
They completely failed to utilize this character. They gave all the actual therapist-type stuff to Guinan, and all she did was 'sense unease' in people who were obviously ill at ease.
I remember those times in the pilot episode where Deanna Troi says , “I sense pain”, or “I sense confusion.”
I realized back then that Star Trek: The Next Generation is going to need some work considering that the characters were not easy to like in the beginning.
Over time, it all changed.
I'd think they'd have something better than leg waxing centuries from now. But then Picard's bald, because he doesn't care. Ro never has that mole removed because ancient Bajoran tradition. Or it's banned like genetic modification.
Future people love hairy legs and bald men.
In the Star Trek universe, they could always do a bunch of cool things but decided to do it old-school for the sake of holding on to tradition or remaining connected to their simple origins.
@@colonelburton8451 Like how no one reads any non-classical literature nor listens to 20th/21st century pop music?
Well she got her revenge by helping destroy TNG’s legacy with ST:Picard, so...there you go