Would Nikola Jokic Dominate in the 90s? with John Salley

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  • @unfixablegop
    @unfixablegop 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    "The guy from Denver" - it took three seconds to identify a hater.

  • @deelak2329
    @deelak2329 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    The first dude talking all that jibber jabber don't know shit. Jokic would dominate in any era

    • @zennihilator3724
      @zennihilator3724 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There is turth in saying today's game allows players more space to operate with less congestion in the paint and maybe a bit less physicality allowed... BUT, people really love to exaggerate the effects of this... In the 90s you had guys like Wayman Tisdale, Brad Daugherty, Vin Baker, Tom Gugliotta, Juwan Howard averaging over 20 points per game in the NBA... These guys were all smaller and significantly less skilled than Jokic is in every single facet of basketball and they were still able to put up some of the highest averages in the league on +50% FG... Thinking Jokic would somehow struggle to put up his typical 25-30 points is laughable...

    • @jameshamilton6114
      @jameshamilton6114 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Half the centers would not know what to do as soon as they have to leave the paint In that time🤣

    • @markwatson3766
      @markwatson3766 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They forget jokic is a lethal shooter, efficient free throw shooter unlike shaq and still plays bully ball and handles 2-3 defenders like they are kids.

  • @clanwaddell5628
    @clanwaddell5628 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Jokic is 6 foot 11 280. He can shoot threes, he has the jump hook, the fadeaway, great footwork in the post. Then you throw in the IQ and playmaking. Jokic would be fine in the 90s

    • @Nationof300
      @Nationof300 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Only problem is jokic wouldn’t be shooting 3’s in the 90’s at all and neither would he average 10 assists

    • @clanwaddell5628
      @clanwaddell5628 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Nationof300 he wouldn't shoot the volume of threes, but he'd take probably 3-4 a game and would average more than 5 assists. He'd be a lot like Arvydas Sabonis

    • @michaelbietsch2864
      @michaelbietsch2864 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@Nationof300jokic doesnt even necessarily need to shoot 3's, his lomg midrange game is more than enough to force opposing centers away from the basket, which allows him to generate layups

    • @krisharkleroad8
      @krisharkleroad8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Don't forget his floaters.

    • @arkadiuszrogala1359
      @arkadiuszrogala1359 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jokic would easily be the second best player in the 90’s. Before you argue, put together a solid argument before you give me Olajuwon or Barkley.

  • @DammitBobby
    @DammitBobby 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +308

    The one thing that actually translates across generations of basketball is IQ. and Jokic has the highest IQ in the entire nba. He would be good in any era of basketball

    • @nenadbozic4816
      @nenadbozic4816 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Spot on.

    • @azraelfirstofhisname8695
      @azraelfirstofhisname8695 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Agreed we’ll said

    • @goodymob9638
      @goodymob9638 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      EXACTLY 💯

    • @vincentemmanuelsingh8189
      @vincentemmanuelsingh8189 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gosh this man adjusts to anything
      Immediately!

    • @thomaschapman6088
      @thomaschapman6088 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It’s a bit of a stretch to say the highest in the nba. It’s just offensively he doesn’t have a weakness I feel.

  • @LivingRegal
    @LivingRegal 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    Jokić went against Gobert/KAT, Ayton/KD, Anthony Davis/Lebron, and Bam, most of those guys are considered some of the best defending modern bigs.

    • @wattwatkins3574
      @wattwatkins3574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      LBJ is a great defender in todays league lol? You have to understand the rules are fix to make it easier to score. In the 90s they had no defensive 3 second's and they could hand check with two 7 footers waiting in the lane and it is not as spread out as now so lane clogged..

    • @acs79
      @acs79 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And as the stats show Rudy would be ranked around 30th on D if played in 93. This best defender in todays game lol

    • @rohs9464
      @rohs9464 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@acs79that’s a bogus stat you pulled out your ass lmao, like damn I don’t think he’s a all time defender but he’s definetly a great post defender. Reason his defensive rating would be higher (worse) nowadays would be because of increased perimeter play, not because he isn’t a good post defender…

    • @wattwatkins3574
      @wattwatkins3574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Either you are a bot or a kid that repeats bots sayings for comments. Either way we aren't on the same level of knowledge for the game@ilijanedeljkovic6615

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      but all those modern bigs guys suck at defense🤣

  • @seaddedovic643
    @seaddedovic643 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    Salley knows what he is talking about. Respect

    • @patriciamccormick9321
      @patriciamccormick9321 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Everyone who played with or against him respects Salley.

    • @ien17
      @ien17 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought so too but he picked memphis winning the chip this coming season that changed my mind

    • @josephrowland2086
      @josephrowland2086 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ien17I mean they do have a really talented core in his defense

    • @johndiddilyjoe6258
      @johndiddilyjoe6258 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@ien17 If you only trust people that have made 'Only' correct predictions you'll literally have no one to look to. No one in history has a 100% prediction rate in any sport or betting event, except people who fix matches.

  • @PlanetOfTheApes999
    @PlanetOfTheApes999 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Jokic sees plays before they happen and makes it impossible for his opponents to read him. This would allow him to be an MVP caliber player in any era.

  • @baradureye2170
    @baradureye2170 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    I mean there was at least 2 teams who played 2 bigs in their line up in the playoffs (Minnesota: Kat and Gobert and Phoenix:Ayton and KD) and Jokic went through both of em in less than 7 games 🤷‍♂️

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      And Lebron may not be taller but is much stronger and more physical than Durant. Joker swept Lebron and AD. I thought Lebron could guard positions 1-5. He wouldn’t go near Joker on defense. Scared to weaken the brand.

    • @cyrilnwaguru
      @cyrilnwaguru 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@truthhurts837 bro why would a SF guard a physical center the whole series lol

    • @bojannisic2906
      @bojannisic2906 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@cyrilnwaguru you understand that switching is a thing in modern basketball, right?

    • @citizend13
      @citizend13 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@bojannisic2906 Jokic just punishes switches. He feels a smaller guy on him and he's backing him down into the paint and force the double team anyway. This is why connelly got Gobert - so you'd have size against Jokic at all times, didnt matter anyway.

    • @bojannisic2906
      @bojannisic2906 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@citizend13 exactly my point, and some other teams are also capable of abusing different kind of switches, which is a answer to a question which cyrilnwaguru asked.

  • @aleksandarspasov6815
    @aleksandarspasov6815 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I'm from Europe and I died laughing listening to John's story... It's so fucking funny hearing it from your perspective. But it's so true.

    • @french.blackdevil1967
      @french.blackdevil1967 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree, in the 90 Greek teams were so powerful..Gallis brings the spirit..And playing in Greece, Turkey, Serbia, Croatia was like playing in hell 🔥🔥🔥🥵🥵🥵. The fans are so impressive..It hasn't really change...

  • @mauricemalone7457
    @mauricemalone7457 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

    Jokic would be a problem in the 90s

    • @Timur21
      @Timur21 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@bollongbollongchill man lol.. Im from the balkans and even I dont say stuff like that 😂

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      was born in 1973 to a basketball family. My family has several generations of point guards. We were raised like little marines to play point. I’ve studied the game obsessively my entire life.
      Jokic is the best I’ve ever seen.

    • @beistrong8635
      @beistrong8635 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@truthhurts837 so what you are saing is you only seen your family and the last 3 years of NBA?🤔

    • @RonnySwank
      @RonnySwank 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@truthhurts837I agree he’s gonna go down as the best offensive player ever

    • @wattwatkins3574
      @wattwatkins3574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you are talking about the best group of centers to ever play are in the 90s and different rules means you have different kind of players. Hand check and no 3 second defensive seconds. You are talking true PF and center that are there to be brutes. IDK man.

  • @josephwaters2792
    @josephwaters2792 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    John Salley always special, historian, storytelling and interesting takes!

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      and delusional 😂

    • @josephwaters2792
      @josephwaters2792 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ziginaigra Yes, he does say interesting things but I like him overall.

  • @neilanthonytijing3663
    @neilanthonytijing3663 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Jokic is McHale and Bird combined… so if they can dominate, then Jokic can do great as well.

  • @kennethward4985
    @kennethward4985 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Just like Larry Legend, Jokic dominates the game with his mind. He is even more unstoppable than Bird.

  • @famouscriminals18
    @famouscriminals18 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Jokic would kill in the 90s. A center that can sink multiple threes in a game while averaging 7 assist would be unimaginable. When people say the 90s were aggressive, Jokic can play dirty too.

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he wouldnt shoot 3s in 90s or play like pg so no

    • @RLSmith-jt8qj
      @RLSmith-jt8qj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@ziginaigrahe can still score and pass from anywhere on the court. Even if he just brings the opposing bug out to the free throw line extended area he's compromised the entire defense.

    • @Chris-bw9bq
      @Chris-bw9bq 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ziginaigrawell what if he did just play his exact game back then? Nobody would know WTF to do. The nuggets would be better than the bulls🤷

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Chris-bw9bq 🤣🤡kid from serbia spotted

    • @ivanstanisavljevic1804
      @ivanstanisavljevic1804 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ziginaigra and how do you know that? Show me another center now who is playing like Jokic, there is zero. He revolutionized the game

  • @lebronjamesharden3958
    @lebronjamesharden3958 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    this fool acting like he don't know the name of the guy from Denver lmao

  • @ajcornstar
    @ajcornstar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    with his footwork, basketball IQ, and vision to make that pocket pass on the corner or dunker's spot Jokic is a problem on any ERA

  • @timothyjudge4807
    @timothyjudge4807 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Whoever the first guy is making the argument that modern centers are all 6'8", he doesn't own a TV and watch basketball

    • @artvallejos1460
      @artvallejos1460 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      agreed. every NBA team has at least 3 players who are 6 foot 11 inches or taller.

    • @lanlingwang8489
      @lanlingwang8489 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      whats funny is that 80% of the 6'8 guys and up will destroy 90% of the players in the 90s lmao

  • @jpbdexv
    @jpbdexv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    The guy acts as he does not know his name and in the second sentence he normaly says his name.

  • @youngnebula187
    @youngnebula187 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Jokic dominated against AD the best paint defender in the playoffs 🙄🏀....

    • @andresdelportillo9917
      @andresdelportillo9917 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      AD overrated

    • @youngnebula187
      @youngnebula187 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andresdelportillo9917 😯🏀.....

    • @youngnebula187
      @youngnebula187 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@andresdelportillo9917 AD was the top defensive big man in the playoffs last season though 🏀....

    • @wattwatkins3574
      @wattwatkins3574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You guys don't understand they put in rules to make it easier to score. In the 90s hand checking and no defensive 3 seconds with no space and a clogged lane. Different rules means different kinds of players. True PF and Centers with hands and forearms in the back and players taking an elbow going through the lane. So thinking Joker faced anything like the 90s shows you didn't watch

    • @kennethward4985
      @kennethward4985 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2nd best now after the sweep.

  • @elirane85
    @elirane85 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I honestly think Joke is one of those guys that will do well in any era. He doesn't play "his game", he plays whatever the other team gives him and can adjust to just about any situation. He is really special.

  • @whatupbigdawg
    @whatupbigdawg 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    2 time MVP, Finals MVP, generational talent and still cant say his name right. Smh.

    • @damienwyche2105
      @damienwyche2105 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Today’s nba, he wouldn’t dominate the 90s

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@damienwyche2105By pretty much every advanced metric Jokic beats every big from the 90’s.
      What are the 90’s bigs going to do when Jokic pulls up at the 3 point line? Lol, they’re standing under the rim confused, there would be no stopping him.
      Greatness shines in any era.

    • @TPG1
      @TPG1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@damienwyche2105those dudes in the 90s couldn’t move at all, they had one post move. Stop it

    • @AndrewChin-ck9uk
      @AndrewChin-ck9uk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@damienwyche2105 he definitely would. He's strong af, he will bully anyone there

  • @markusstevensakabiginfinit9523
    @markusstevensakabiginfinit9523 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Joker is literally this generation Arvydas Sabonis... people forget how good of a player Sabonis was before he got to the NBA

    • @anthonytaylor7928
      @anthonytaylor7928 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Did sabonis win a championship or back to back MVP? No so. Why have a dumb comparison

    • @tjay6469
      @tjay6469 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Sabonis is nowhere near as skilled as Jokic. Very disrespectful.

    • @chrisisslick
      @chrisisslick 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@tjay6469how tf is it disrespectful. Sabonis was the original jokic. Exact same play style. Do your googles.

    • @jpbdexv
      @jpbdexv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@tjay6469 When you compare someone with Sabonis that can not be disrespect, and remember those were different times. Different rules of the game, different everything...! At the end, I also think Jokić is much better but their styles do resemble a lot. Both have that special elegance, inteligence, wittiness etc...

    • @markusstevensakabiginfinit9523
      @markusstevensakabiginfinit9523 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @anthonytaylor7928 u CLEARLY have never seen Sabonis play. Espc his prime years prior to him coming to the NBA... So u have no clue on what you are talking about

  • @robertmonfort7794
    @robertmonfort7794 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    When were in the Navy, we lived in Sardinia, Italy. School is 6 half days per week. Out at noon, then a slew of after school activities until early evening depending sport or club. The kids appeared to enjoy it. Nobody has crazier fans than Europe.

  • @martinmillan625
    @martinmillan625 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    John salley speaking facts

  • @angelperez122
    @angelperez122 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    He went against Kat and Rudy in the playoffs....so that proves you wrong lol

  • @spirit13the1st6
    @spirit13the1st6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Yes he is a combo of Byrd and Mchale.
    His outside shot is too lethal.

    • @kennethward4985
      @kennethward4985 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Very McHale in the post !!! He goes left, right, left then splits a double.

  • @PiT0nZo
    @PiT0nZo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Never heard a more true statement about Shaq. "He doesn't like to be embarassed". Spot on

  • @twobarsfourstars
    @twobarsfourstars 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Great interview, Salley is a genius and always worth the listen. So much good stuff here about the NBA past and future, they should hire him as an ambassador

  • @xeonanridic3592
    @xeonanridic3592 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The man with a theme song himself, "John Sally~!"😂😂

  • @finaldestination5847
    @finaldestination5847 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    Nikola Jokic is one the best defenders in the NBA and nobody is noticing it. People are still giving him no credit. He´s so underrated !!

    • @PlanetOfTheApes999
      @PlanetOfTheApes999 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Well he does have the biggest defense plus minus box, which means that even if he's not the best individual defender, he elevates his team's defense. So you're right, although for reasons that most people don't realize.

    • @finaldestination5847
      @finaldestination5847 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@PlanetOfTheApes999 Jokic´s defense is more in the zone way before the oppenent gets to the basket. That´s why most people can not see how good he is on defence.

    • @bernardjameswilson
      @bernardjameswilson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I forgot the exact stat line but I remember reading that all opponents guarded by Jokic have like 5+% lower fg% than their average.

    • @kennydeschenes3390
      @kennydeschenes3390 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      he is a better defender then embiid actually. alot less flashy but wayyyy more effective. his reads and hands quickness are so good for a 6 11 280 lbs guys, it rediculous

    • @jlui21
      @jlui21 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PlanetOfTheApes999 -- exactly. Jokic is not an elite 1v1 defender. BUT as a team defender, he's very good.
      Jokic doesn't have to be Hakeem and fill the stat sheets with blocks and steals. He just has to be a willing defender and be in the right position. So with guys like A-a-ron, MPJ, and Bruce Brown who are great perimeter defenders, it all works.
      P.s. Bird wasn't an "elite" either. But he played great team D and even picked up 3 second team all defensive awards.

  • @robertbloom4424
    @robertbloom4424 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    In the 1990's, advanced defenses were illegal. You HAD to play 1 on 1 and could only help at the very end of a play. Now, teams have defensive schemes and gameplan against teams' best players. Anyone trying to guard Jokic 1 on 1 is getting destroyed. And not getting desroyed the way Shaq destroyed people, but with PG-quality passing and high level shooting, too. Jokic and Shaq going head to head would be awesome to watch. The most skilled center vs the most physically dominant center.

  • @haqq1
    @haqq1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Well it's obvious he would have a much harder time in the post. But with his ability to shoot the ball from 3 and find open players he would be absolute nightmare for heavy footed and planted bigs of the 90s.

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      but he would play than like traditional center not like pg now🤔

    • @haqq1
      @haqq1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ziginaigra I mean it's based on skill not height I'd imagine. Magic Johnson played PG in the 80s even though he was 6'9.

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@haqq1 but magic was pg jokic is not

    • @brybry8685
      @brybry8685 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ziginaigraYou think people in 90s were retarded and wouldn't use him like they do today?

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@haqq1For the last ten years the NBA has been tracking advanced metrics, do you know what the most efficient half court play is in the last ten years of any team and any player? A Jokic post up.
      Much harder time? The statistics don’t match that assertion.

  • @Blazekickz
    @Blazekickz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jokic Has the IQ to be great in any era.

  • @chriswright2568
    @chriswright2568 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I LOVE John Salley, what a fabulous, thoughtful guy. Jokic is incredible, I think he could play in any era, but his defense is weak and unlike a Bird (who he got compared to), Kareem, Olajuwon, Shaq, he isn't playing both ends of the floor at the same level (poor defense, but amazing rebounding, so that is a definite offset). In this era, I don't know how much that matters. But you have to look at both Jokic and Giannis as players who would adapt and excel and be top tier in any era.

  • @aleksandarilic7666
    @aleksandarilic7666 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First time Im listening to John Salley.. Very smart and experienced guy. More of this please!

  • @bding1738
    @bding1738 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Someone is a hateeeeer

  • @jeffcompton6804
    @jeffcompton6804 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    How did Joker do against the Timberwolves? Isn't KAT and Gobert both 7' tall? Miss me with that "He wouldn't do as well in the 90's" nonsense. His game translates to ANY era.

    • @damienwyche2105
      @damienwyche2105 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You comparing them to Shaq, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Olajuwon, Mourning, Ben Wallace, Wallace, etc? Stop it

    • @blazefactor6849
      @blazefactor6849 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@damienwyche2105 Sure, the players were better, but it's not like Jokic can't play against tall players. His entire thing is high-IQ playmaking, and that translates to basically any era. Hell, his post-passing and short-roll passing are pretty much second-to-none All-Time, and he's not a slouch at bully-ball, even if it's not his specialty. On top of that, he's got a great mid-range shot, so... I could see him being an MVP caliber player, even back then.

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@damienwyche2105The only guy there that could handle a 7’ 290lb man is Shaq.
      I was a Spurs fan, Duncan and Robinson were my Spurs team, Duncan is about 45lbs lighter than Jokic, Robinson is 65lbs lighter, you’re insane if you think Jokic couldn’t post those guys up and back them right to the rim.

    • @damienwyche2105
      @damienwyche2105 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jimsim8736 if you think that weight is the only factor in ball, then you’re an idiot.

    • @student99bg
      @student99bg หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly. He could play in the era of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain, he could play in the 80s and 90s too.

  • @Woody13woodpecker
    @Woody13woodpecker 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    1988 SSSR vs Atlanta Hawks played 2 games, I was just a little kid, but I remember those games, watching in Serbia on TV. It was a bib, big deal, watching Wilkins dunk, we've never seen something like that!
    1990 World cup, Argentina, the last time college players played, since they were outclassed by then Yugoslavia, with Drazen Petrovic, Divac, Kukoc, Radja, etc, the best team ever outside the Real Dream Team.
    Ironically , that was the last time Croatian and Slovenian players played for YU.

  • @lorenzsabbaer7725
    @lorenzsabbaer7725 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i never got to see john salley speak, but recently i saw some stuff, and he is so understanding of the game. but not only how its played, no , How it works! like the whole structure behind it and the history!

  • @santiagojosebetancourthenr403
    @santiagojosebetancourthenr403 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    He has a valid point, but jokic is so smart, so good at passing, one of the Best footworks ever for a center, post moves, can shoot for everywhere. The only weakness in his game is his defense, I'm only 18 years old but he is one of the Best offensive players ever from what I Know.

  • @nuttinbedder2do70
    @nuttinbedder2do70 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Even when I hated Piston's John Sally, I loved him. Because he is real.

  • @captainsmoke1612
    @captainsmoke1612 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Jokic arguably the best passer ever. He would do just fine.

    • @wattwatkins3574
      @wattwatkins3574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you see a bot put that up for comments with bad takes. Nobody thinks this early in Jokers career he is the best passer ever.. You must have never seen magic play.

    • @captainsmoke1612
      @captainsmoke1612 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wattwatkins3574 Jokic on a level with Magic at least.

    • @wattwatkins3574
      @wattwatkins3574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I get it you are a bot take care bud@@captainsmoke1612

    • @captainsmoke1612
      @captainsmoke1612 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wattwatkins3574He gonna break every single record of your darling. Soon they will ask Magic who? Ah the guy who was a decent passer, but no Jokic.

    • @captainsmoke1612
      @captainsmoke1612 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wattwatkins3574Show me one single pass that magic made that you think Jokic couldn't do? Can show you a ton of Jokic passes that Magic can't do cause he's simply not tall enough,

  • @vukans595
    @vukans595 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This John Salley guy is HILARIOUS!

  • @andrewcook1246
    @andrewcook1246 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Yes. So would've Arvydas Sabonis if he was allowed to come over pre-injuries.

    • @french.blackdevil1967
      @french.blackdevil1967 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Arvydas Sabonis my favorite european player.. A beast. He was the Magic man of Russia and then Lithuania😍😍🥰🥰🤩🤩

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      sabonis before injuries was 10 times better defender than jokic and 10 times more athletic,he would do much better than jokic in 90s in his prime

    • @gueswhosthis
      @gueswhosthis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ziginaigraAjde ne seri kroki, idi slušaj Josipu Lisac

  • @huslr6266
    @huslr6266 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Joker is the face of the N.B.A.

  • @eddiewrathchild2016
    @eddiewrathchild2016 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First time NBA players played in Europe was in the 60es when NBA players played unofficial exibition games in Belgrade, Serbia (back then Yugoslavia). Later in mid 80es Boston Celtics played official televised game against team Yugoslavia, I think 2 of them. First international players in NBA, who were relevant, accepted and known, were 2 Yugoslavs, Vlade Divac (Serb) and Drazen Petrovic (Croat of a Serbian descent) and 1 Lithuanian Sarunas Marciulionis. Also, Bora Stankovic, a Serb, president of FIBA at the time, was a guy who made a decision to let NBA players play at the Olympic games and other international competitions, thus allowing NBA popularity to spread all over the world and help international players also reach to NBA much easier, thus elevating basketball quality outside of USA. As a Serbian guy, I am proud that my country and my fellow Serbs played an important role in basketball development worldwide. It is also worthy of mentioning that Serbs gave the biggest number of players in NBA, after Americans and Canadians, 33 of them, and the number is bigger if you count in players of Serbian descent or straight up Serbs who played or are playing for other national teams, around 15 of them, that is close to 50 NBA players (God knows how many in Euroleague) which came out of nation of around 10 million worldwide.

  • @racimegacar
    @racimegacar 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jokic would dominate the 90s equally well as now.

  • @simplefarmer7
    @simplefarmer7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jokic to Chicago Bulls in the 90's imagine the plays

  • @basketballmaven1454
    @basketballmaven1454 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's the hook shot, it's unstoppable

  • @gavingryte
    @gavingryte 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There used to be a bunch of 7 footers in the league that were unathletic bums. They could not play in the league now and would not be better defenders than shorter players in today's league that are legit athletes. Anybody who's ever played the game would rather play against a taller non-athlete than a shorter player who is strong and can move. Facts.

    • @artvallejos1460
      @artvallejos1460 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      each NBA team has at least 3 players who are 6 foot 11 inches or taller

    • @RLSmith-jt8qj
      @RLSmith-jt8qj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@artvallejos1460and he is better and more skilled than most of them

    • @artvallejos1460
      @artvallejos1460 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RLSmith-jt8qj
      Also, Jokic has 29 NBA records that not even the top 10 NBA players could achieve.

  • @harderway8568
    @harderway8568 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic in 90s would play in the same team with Jordan or Barkley, Grant Hill...At least one legend besides him. Now imagine that.

  • @CLEARVISIONOVERLAND
    @CLEARVISIONOVERLAND 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The guy from Denver..😂

  • @manimal9871
    @manimal9871 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Joker would adapt he has the size, iq and skillset to do so. Not his fault he plays in a modern washed down era in terms of bigs and soft rules, nothing but respect to the dude he did it the right way.

    • @gfs8957
      @gfs8957 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Facts like people dont understand jokic is a basketball genius he can adapt to almost everything ok this game i am playing against two 7 footers let me play more on the perimeter pick and roll forcing miss match if they switching and shit like that jokic is to smart he reads the game like lebron and passes like magic one of the highest basketball IQ you will ever see and his bag of tricks is endless

  • @xWrongButtonx
    @xWrongButtonx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The only thing people need to understand (to be able to comprehend what type of a player Jokić is) is that most of us are playing the game in 3d, but Jokić plays the game in 4d. That's why it is hard to read his game... Clearly, he is on another level, far beyond any center ever was... Not talking about the rings (couldn't care less), just bball iq and skills.
    We are not talking about "generational talent" here, we are witnessing, most likely, one of the best centers to have ever stepped on the court, if not the best ever.

    • @clanwaddell5628
      @clanwaddell5628 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The guy you compare him to. And we didn't get to see him in America during his prime. The guy you compare Jokic to is Arvydas Sabonis. Sabonis was a monster for the USSR. He could shoot threes, drop dimes and was a force. He came to America after he had suffered major injuries and still was able to give Shaq trouble.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jokic is a 6-11 Larry Bird. He’s actually slower, somehow, but he’s so damn strong, smart & genuinely unselfish. The Nuggets won a game a couple weeks ago when Joker took three shots. He made two, scored four points, grabbed seven boards…and had 16 assists. He legit does not care about stats.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@clanwaddell5628We only got to see a shell of Sabonis in the NBA. He was an absolute beast in the ‘80s when he was playing with the USSR team. Imagine his son, Dontas, who’s a pretty damn good player. Now make Dontas 7’3” tall & make him a lot quicker & more athletic. Arvydas was shooting threes as a center in the ‘80s when most NBA players would get benched if they tried something like that. Even though he started in the NBA as a 30-something rookie with a body that had been wrecked by overwork & Soviet medicine he was still good enough to make a couple all-star teams.

  • @HuRRiCSRB
    @HuRRiCSRB 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really wonder until when will common people with almost no knowledge of real basketball doubt in Jokic’s greatness?!?! When there are numerous ex and current nba legends that recognize his greatness, those common people doubting is just nonsense. Advice to those people - please guys, ignore the hate or whatever, just look at the beauty of teamplay that basketball is in its core, how Jokic is playing using his brain in the process, and makes his teammates better, it is just an art on the court.

  • @NeverNotHoopin
    @NeverNotHoopin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    8:47 USA didn´t play Croatia in the Finals of the 1987 FIBA World Cup. The played SFRY (Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia).
    Now just imagine what would happen if they stood together. Jokic, Doncic, Bojan and Bogdan Bogdanovic, Nurkic, Zubac, Saric, Cancar, Vucevic, Micic, Pokusevski, Samanic, Jovic, Marjanovic. Just active NBA players from an area with a population of around 28Mil people. Plus all the other players they have is insane, including young prospects we soon might see in the league like Nikola Topic. Balkan seems to be a basketball heaven.

  • @djekna
    @djekna หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing Americans do not know yet is why are Europeans (and some South Americans) have such court vision.
    Most of them, when young, train football (soccer), which is excellent for court vision. Excellent!
    This transitions really well into the game, i.e. basketball IQ.

  • @Arthur-ob1yf
    @Arthur-ob1yf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best center of all time

  • @Bigmike55626
    @Bigmike55626 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    No idea who the first clown is but good to see Salley school him

  • @acs79
    @acs79 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    But he ain’t playing with 90’s physicality, D, congestion in the paint🤫

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even if he was, he’s 7’ 290lbs, I’m sure he’d be fine.

  • @---kr3zg
    @---kr3zg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes he would still be just as good in the 90s he can shoot 3s mid range post game is phenomenal also saying he can't play against 2 7 footers at the same time he literally spanked the t wolves who had 2 7 footers and a multiple time dpoy on him at all times his passing and iq is also off the charts and is a really really good rebounder both defensive and offensive he always follows his shot no one knows what to do with him now and they wouldn't know back then either also if they put 2 7 footers on jokic he would just take it out to the perimeter and absolutely destroy them out there or just draw the double team on them every time and dime his team up he shot like 45% from 3 or something crazy like that this year in the playoffs

  • @zhegwood
    @zhegwood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Dude, love Salley's tie in back to hip hop. It's a pretty damn great thing. Like do you want to compare Black Thought to Chuck D? Jokic to David Robinson? It's a different era... Different time. Both great in their time, but times change. And yes, I just talked like Jokic is the Black Thought of basketball. STFU!

    • @Irena1106
      @Irena1106 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like your comparison...cause I like both of them, Black Thought in rap and Nikola Jokić in basketball.

  • @Denien82
    @Denien82 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd pay good money to see a post or pre season tournament between NBA champions, euroleague winners and the equivalent from south america, africa and asia. I know the NBA team would likely win most of the time (at least now), but it'd be interesting for sure.

  • @northernassassin6056
    @northernassassin6056 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes. I think he is probably more suited to that generation.

  • @user-wp6ti2yg4c
    @user-wp6ti2yg4c 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Please work on your production, angles are very akward

  • @slobodankarapandzic3018
    @slobodankarapandzic3018 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    USA loses against Yugoslavia and USSR before Dream Team, and after that YUGO and USSR was unassembled in smaller countreys

  • @dejandjukic7609
    @dejandjukic7609 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Serbia was team who defeat your amateur national team,world cup Argentina semi-final '91,so next year a first Dream team played in the Olympics in Barcelona

  • @DeeEyDeeOu
    @DeeEyDeeOu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One word for international players, leagues, youth development = fundementals

  • @marklopez-bj7so
    @marklopez-bj7so 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Definitely. Jokic is a throwback to the Magic/Bird superstar prototype. Unathletic, high iq, unselfish, all around, unassuming like Bird, didnt care about all the drama outside basketball but he is all in for winning, impecabble shooting, for real Joker will dominate in all eras.

  • @pashapasovski5860
    @pashapasovski5860 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He destroyed Minnesota with 2 7ft!
    Swept Lakers with AD at power forward and a 7 ft center plus LBJ

    • @damienwyche2105
      @damienwyche2105 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Today’s nba isn’t yesterday’s nba.

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@damienwyche2105Correct, it’s much more advanced today.
      List the centres from the 90’s that are going to bully a 7’ 290lb man.

  • @wholeinthesoul7925
    @wholeinthesoul7925 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't believe they're still doubting him...

  • @derekrushe
    @derekrushe 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Joking is just the modern version of Larry Bird and Larry Bird dominated and so would Jokic.

  • @cmack17
    @cmack17 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If those 7 footers were effective, a team would simply deploy that strategy.

  • @armin38822
    @armin38822 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    dude the podcasting stuff needs to get more expensive

  • @ahmedshala9599
    @ahmedshala9599 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Burna boy Sir, i have understood alot from you explain so well

  • @guiwhiz
    @guiwhiz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    oh my God... in the Era of the Bulls and Bad Boy Pistons Joker would just tear it up. That was a super-physical era in the sense of how the interior of the court was defended. Joker doesn't need to 'swim upstream' against that with his game. You double him he'll spin you around with dimes. You try and 'body up' on him he'll torch you with footwork ala Hakeem the Dream. You try to play back and dare him to shoot he'll bomb you into oblivion from range or eat you alive with the Sombor Shuffle midrange. You try to play him straight up and his balanced overall game will just leave you in the dust. While his game is dominant today in 90s basketball it would be even more so. Think Sabonis but a much better shooter, more mobile, better footwork, and even a better passer.

  • @dannywest9256
    @dannywest9256 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just wrote a comment about rule changes in the different eras. Players in America have gotten more athletic overall but not smarter n more skilled. These foreign players sparked their love and game from the 92 Dream Team. The greatest team ever. I truly believe the foreign guys get their basketball IQ from that era. Having said all this, I still believe everybody’s numbers would be less if they played back in the day.

  • @bojanmilenkovic2043
    @bojanmilenkovic2043 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    College team with Robinson lost to Yugoslavia, country that doesn't exist anymore ,now it's a region and still has great players .They have similar last name to mine

    • @ObelixCMM
      @ObelixCMM 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Game he is talking about was final game in 1987 Universiade in Zagreb, Croatia. That's why he said Croatia, it wasn't real clear. Fun fact, they sold out two sets of ticket for that game. First for smaller gym but when it was US vs YU they sold another set for bigger one. I had original tickets, so they crammed all of us in and it was packed down the isles and corridors.

  • @theecharmingbilly
    @theecharmingbilly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Luc Longley and Greg Ostertag would eaten Joker's lunch...
    😂😂😂

  • @bradhicks5558
    @bradhicks5558 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    David Stern, The Don

  • @zrikizrikic9126
    @zrikizrikic9126 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He would do fine..maybe even better with tough contact game

  • @WorldwideWyatt
    @WorldwideWyatt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pretty sure the T-Wolves had two 7 footers and one is a defensive specialist.

  • @richardescobar4215
    @richardescobar4215 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic never seen defenses like the 90's and 2000's

  • @tonosi0290
    @tonosi0290 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The guy asking the question is right about the role of big men nowadays....but it seems he has never seen the Joker play

  • @richardspidel3100
    @richardspidel3100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic would SLAUGHTER the 90's.

  • @anoojnathan7902
    @anoojnathan7902 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like that salley acknowledges jokic would cook shaq on defense. Jokic wouldn’t be able to stop shaq, but shaq wouldn’t be able to stop jokic either.

  • @xkaosG
    @xkaosG 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Id pay so much money to see jokic play against Shaq in his prime lmaooo

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bbq

  • @frankenviews4069
    @frankenviews4069 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jokic is a thug. If you let do all his stuff and let him play in 90's rules, where it's basically no blood no foul, you'll get a Bill Laimbeer that passes like Magic, post moves like Hakeem and can shoot 3s.

  • @dulejmani
    @dulejmani 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic played against KAt and Gobert in first round of playoffs and he just dominated them.

  • @mattblatchley2061
    @mattblatchley2061 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Salley NEVER pulls punches...painfully so sometimes...so I hear that

  • @timmy888
    @timmy888 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How can someone talk about basketball but doesn’t even know the best player in the worlds name 🙄

  • @higgsboson9380
    @higgsboson9380 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic would pass it and get an assist, problem solved. He would do great in the 90's, he is big enough, strong enough and can shoot the lights out from distance.

  • @ericlopez6866
    @ericlopez6866 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Larry Bird comparison is completely right. Bird was "unathletic", it didn't matter. He made the game run at his speed, like Jokic.

  • @csar2976
    @csar2976 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sabonis did pretty good, and he was older when he got to the NBA.
    So I would say... yes.

  • @ishanshah4904
    @ishanshah4904 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:09 “the guy from denver” 🤣🤡

  • @noli0408
    @noli0408 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice

  • @im2hastyle
    @im2hastyle 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was about to dislike and stop the video early when he started off not even knowing Jokic's name. But the spider kept me watching this video.

  • @ridisulo2978
    @ridisulo2978 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic is THE most talented and skilled big man in the entire history of the game lol and that's not hyperbole. The fact that so many fans of the game just see his skin color and can't stand to accept his dominance is very revealing and it has nothing to do with basketball analysis.

  • @gordanbogdanovic5473
    @gordanbogdanovic5473 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    it's funny how every joker's hater is getting schooled by people who actualy knows basketball

  • @kbnice2393
    @kbnice2393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nikko is the biggest player in the N b a Where everybody else is playing small ball he's dominating in a small ball league 😂