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Actually seeing Hawk Moth/Gabriel get called out by Adrien for his abuse and then arrested for his crimes after being exposed and giving up the fight willingly is beyond satisfying.
@@mladybug6620There were some scenes that were definitely missing from that movie. Marinette and Adrien learning to use their powers and Gabriel being arrested were indeed some of them. I always felt like I missed a scene with the way they did the pacing her.
@@ajstudios9210 Yeah. Adrien just kinda does a cataclysm, and it's never explained what it is in-movie. Kind of like how Tikki never fully explains the situation to Marinette. Just says she knows she can handle being Ladybug.
Honestly, I can forgive every bad thing in this movie, because of how they made Gabe and how THEY ACTUALLY ALLOWED ADRIEN TO FACE HIS DAD IN THE ENDING
Something that always bothered me is that tikki has been with every ladybug since her creation and even tho she has literal centuries of experience she never tells marinette anything useful aside from cat poster quotes It could have been an interesting dynamic, tikki being a veteran of the job expecting marinette to be her usual ladybug until she reveals herself to be a massive dork
For people saying this movie feels like fanfiction, it literally is💀 This is Jeremy Zag’s take on the miraculous concept. The show writers didn’t write this film, so that’s why you might feel like the characters are a bit different ( ex. Marinette not being a stalker, Adrien being more gloomy, Gabriel being a decent father, etc.) This also explains why the miraculous powers work differently here, like why there’s no lucky charm and how akumas work differently. This is Jeremy’s fanfiction adapted with an $80 million euro budget, and hell, the lost potential was insane and it was rushed but he delivered regardless😭 at least in the fandom’s eyes , lord knows we’ve been starved of ANY decent writing💀
man seeing the criticisms of the show and seeing the movie makes me wonder what could have been if the love web didn't exist and it was more about the superhero aspect
Agreed, I love this movie. From the stunning animation to the characterization (except Plagg). It’s definitely not perfect, but the show is a lot worse.
Was I the only one angry that they didn’t have Cristina Vee sing for Marinette? She can actually sing- she’s sung for other projects before. Her voice would’ve been stunning in this movie!
The second marinette started singing i was so confused on why they didnt have cristina vee sing. The singer for marinette is amazing but I just don’t like the drastic different between marinettes high-pitched voice and then the sudden drop of the singers voice.
I was also turned off from this. The movie looks amazing but omg I can't believe they didn't use cristina vee to sing for her. I can understand using close singers to the voice actors who can't sing, but doing this is ridiculous.
@@amber_b1723yeah. I didn’t like the change either. It seemed that the actor that sang for Adrien and Hawkmock was better since the comparison to both of the characters for each of them wasn’t so drastic.
@@mladybug6620i mean yeah but like 90% of the time a tv show movie is just the shows artstyle with better lighting and sometimes slightly smoother, this is a whole diferent artstyle with amazing lighting
@@santiagobarreraruiz7280 Of course the show was going for a more simple design for the characters to be more easy to animate.Of course the movie has a different artstyle than the show cause the designers were going for something hard to animate to catch the viwers attention.
So much of this movie feels like it was written based on what the fanbase wanted: - "Ladybug doesn't exist with you" - The masquerade Ball scene - Gabriel's emotional breakdown over Adrien being Chat Noir - Rooftop patrol scenes - Marinette showing up in a Ladybug dress (totally missed opportunity in S5) - The double heartbreak scene Granted the show does do some of these, but most of these concepts existed in fanfics long before the Season 5 finale and executed better than the movie.
In my opinion, the fact that the movie has these ideas that the fanbase wanted, shows that some of the creative team listened to fans, while the series is so adverse to listening to what fans want (example: the "bully b**er" Astruc has for a Chloe's redemption arc) that it just elevates the movie even more above the series.
Gabriel's emotional breakdown just destroyed the main antagonist lol. Just remember that Gabriel finding out his son was Cat Noir, decided to akumatize him - twice. And each time, he either destroyed the world or won.
@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294”oK aNd?” What does this mean??? Why do people keep saying this just to sound rude or sound aggressive??? Are you literally asking for more info or your just trying to be mean….
I love how instead of using slightly upset people to do hawkmoths bidding, hawkmoth chose literal criminals to do the job. This makes so much more sense for the entire story and motives that hawkmoth has.
I always thought it was a dumb that Master Fu chose literal children for the job of saving Paris, especially with his backstory. I love that the movie changed this and had the kwamis choose instead, it kinda reinforced the whole “chosen one” bit
@@raistlin3462Yes! Dear lord, and not even just that. The show does NOT sell the part where BOTH OF THEM ARE THE PROTAGONISTS! It"s all Mari, Marinette, and Ladybug! Where is proper Adrien spotlight? And don't get me started on the season finale. Visually it was amazing and the scenes themselves were quite great, but the fact that they pushed Adrien out of the plot was absolutely horrible. This is why the movie is so much better--Adrien is not sidelined! Goodness. I've put so much years into this franchise; I don't want to give up watching it. But goodness, it is pure painful. Like, as a person who aspires to be a published writer one day, I do not understand how people sit down & purposefully write down these plotlines. It's Greed isn't it? They just want money, marketing, plushies, toys. Man. Why can't we have passionate writers nowadays? I feel bad for the actual artists who love creating. They're forced to create these sublime creations that are mediocre at best just because its easy money for the higher ups.
Only complaint i have is that marinettes singing voice actor sounds so drastically different from the real voice actor that it just kinda ruins it and it’s heavily distracting. Marinettes voice actor can sing she’s done it in other shows like helluva boss? They had gabrials voice actor and tikkis sing. And if they cant sing they could’ve at least cast a singer that sound at least a little like the original va
I can understand why they didn't get Adrien's VA (I remember the Christmas special *shudder* ) but not letting Christina Vee sing is just wasted potential.
I know!! It actually really bugged me every time, especially for Marinette, because they don't even sound similar?? It kept pulling me out of the lovely music
Thank you! I wish it was more natural and musical theater style like the early 00’s Barbie movies, but nooo. Gotta be over-produced and over-auto-tuned bubblegum pop…
They made Gabriel an actual human being with conscience, Adrien could stand up to his father, Marinette was actually reliatable, they made her clumslyness an actual issue that i actualy felt bad for her (it was annoying but sad, in serie it was just annoying) marinette wasnt creep, the marinette crush for adrien was more believable than series, they didnt made chat noir a simp, there balance between ladybug and chat noir, in series ladybug was better and chat noir was bullied to show shes the boss, they kept repeating "stronger together", the miraculous choice from master fu made more sence, he had more personality than being wise, Gabriel finding chat noir is his son was way better than we got on the show, pretty good movie, songs were decent
@@zapko4415 it was somewhat strange to me that in this movie they present heroes more positive to me than 8 years series... About Gabe i'm not saying, he was much more human than his shit counterpart.
I really like the ending, not only the part that humanizez Gabriel and actually makes him realizes he's insane (unlike the show) but especially the part of the ball where they reveal their identity. Seeing Adrien smile while crying shows how much happy he is to finally knowing who the girl that saved his heart is
Gabriel here act more like real father, who understand he fight his own child. In series he act like some sociopath, who not only like to punish his son, but doing this gladly. One of worst fictional parents.
In the show, Marinette DOES see Alya trapped under a car screaming for help, and that's what makes her step up. I'm surprised the movie missed that element.
UGH THIS. That's why I was surprised that the scene in the movie didn't feel as impactful as it was in the show, all while I completely forgot what happened in the show but I remember it has a lasting impression on me. I'm surprised not many people are talking about this.
Yes!! Especially considering that Marinette’s dad was already there. I imagine it would have been more impactful if she had first seen Alya and Nino in danger. She could have a moment of panic, where she realizes she has the ability to help them, but doesn’t know if she’s up to the task. And then, while she panics, she could have seen her dad and then she’s like “oh shit”, and then suits up, no room for hesitation. That would be “show, don’t tell”, and would have the song feel more deserved, instead of repeating over and over how love makes her brave
Personally I'm completely fine with that. Firstly, I find it downright annoying when movies based from shows just reuse scenes for that sweet familiarity with the fandom, whilst wasting time as it's already been seen before. Also, having Alya not be physically close to or associated with Ladybug despite studying together to have Alya suspect less of Marinette, and just makes the world seem more grand rather than reusing main side characters.
I enjoyed the movie so much more then the series. It wasn't perfect but it was more what I wanted from the show. They didn't need five seasons to tell the story when this movie does in an hour and a half.
Like 95% of the episodes were just some random character getting annoyed or something, getting akumatised, then ladybug and chat kicking their butt and the plot not moving at all, there were only THREE important episodes in season 1 being origins 1&2 then volpina which is arguably not important, only reason I'm putting it here is because it introduces Lila.
It is not a retelling actually; the writers told me they added poetry in motion and lighten to tell you a story. If you aren’t a fan of these type of storytelling: you will not like the movie. And it’s within your rights to hate it; I won’t bash you for it. For myself; I enjoyed everything this movie is: I think bias with the fact that I read deep stories. Average readers will skip it over cause they have certain thoughts of what they perceive is good to watch. You do you, boo.
REAL AF they gave him a cigar too which made him way cooler, and they really had him blow shit up, like both of them mime and magician, they were causing actual chaos and it was so fun to watch
@@dontlookatme6395 I just wish, after we saw Hawk Moth akumatize the entire prison, that more villains had been active during that theme park raid, rather than most of them being religated to a montage.
My biggest pet peeve is that they freaking switched Cristina for the music bits. It baffles me because Cristina can sing yet they place someone who goes a few octaves deeper and it snaps me out, specially when Gabe kept his (witch fair, the man is talented)
It was a bit confusing for a few moments in the movie, but I thought it might be because he thought Lou sang more beautifully and he wanted everything in the movie to be of the highest quality possible, or he simply didn't want to launch the songs in the movie with completely different singers in the English and French versions because he was the one who originally did both of them
Personally I think this movie needed to be two separate movies, having the first one be about marinette growing into ladybug and the sequel be about Adrian’s relationship with Gabriel and the reveal at the end! It would have given plenty of time to build the characters and their relationships
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately, as it is everything in this movie feels so fast and rushed. Ironically, that means it’s got the opposite problem of the show.😂 It was a good movie, and there were definitely parts that I really enjoyed, but it could’ve been so much greater if it just had the proper time/pacing. 😩It was sooo close to being perfect.
Or they could have made the movie longer. They had time, (right)? I know some movies that last three hours and some that last for eleven. Instead, they probably felt like they needed to get it over with or they might have been stressing over some bits more than others (maybe they felt both and they at least wanted to get the animation right, and didn't expect the storyline to be that great since there is literally a LOVE SQUARE between the SAME people and that's just, "What? No.") Plus, I feel like they might have been pressured to at least have something from the original, which could have caused them to not stand up and do better, or do everything they wanted to. Plus, I kind of expected more from the beginning of the movie.
I am unironically happy with how the movie turned out. Yes, it could have been amazing. It didn't go nearly is hard in the writing as it could, and you were correct: the potential was there. So that's a shame. However, the good old Miraculous charm was there, the romance feels far more natural and less creepy (hey have actual chemistry in this) and the way they handled Gabriel was just great. I went into this expecting good looking shit, and while I didn't find any gold, I walked away with silver and I will take that.
So in short, both had potential to becomr better but couldn't conpletely tap into it. The only difference is that the movie was closer to the potential and had better execution.
@@47ratsinahoodie the fact that a MOVIE did much better than the show(or at least loved more) really says what's the reputation of the show. Usually it's the other way around and it makes me laugh even more of how much a dumpster fire the show is
Marinette's suit got an upgrade in the show (however long it took..) and based on the ending of the film I think their gonna try and make another, maybe more (a trilogy at best probably), so it's possible that they might upgrade her suit in the next movie and give her some gold accents then, it would look really cool so I hope they do it!
I really don't like her suit (like you're telling me that fashion girl Mari is chill with having a skin tight polka dot suit?) but I think the reason that they keep it is because the polka dots and tightness make it easier to animate (no loose clothing that could clip, only two colors to keep track of, and the dots make it easier to keep track of the render) doesn't mean that I have to like it tho...
@@djmensil7303 You it’s funny you mention it could be because it was easier to animate because the show was originally going to be in a 2D anime style yet they changed it because the spots were “too hard to animate”
Flaws aside, this movie is BEAUTIFUL, visually. Like every time you switch from footage of the movie to the show, it’s like playing a ps5 game before being forced to play n64 games for the rest of your life
Dont you ever disrespect N64 games, for being released in the 90s they look so good, miraculous ladybud looks plastic and souless. The movie looks gorgeous tho
As someone who’s (unfortunately) seen the entire show I actually ended up really liking this film more than I thought I would - it’s visually stunning, Adrien & Marinette act more like real characters instead of one-dimensional caricatures, it didn’t draw out Hawk Moth constantly losing, it humanized Gabriel instead of keeping him a complete piece of shit like in the show, and most importantly it didn’t draw out the love square needlessly
I see a lot of complaints in the comments about the movie and yes there are definitely certain issues, but I was just so happy to have this movie, sit down, and enjoy it after season 5's ending. It was happy, I got to see what I wanted and yeah it filled in the fanfiction service that the show has taken 8 (?) years to terribly provide. Totally a win for me, rushed or not. Us fans should be happy with quality in any form when we get it at this point (At least me personally).
Truly. It was such a golden, brilliant concept. I had a lot of hope for the show and was heavily invested, even more so after they started introducing the other Miraculous. Then the season 3 finale happened and all of my hopes were shattered, beaten with a sledgehammer in season 4, and at this point its like watching the Titantic going down. Sad, but inevitable.
Okay but the ending of the movie was the most Adrinette content we’ve gotten since the series. It didn’t take 5 FREAKING SEASONS when we got one whole ass movie that actually gave them a romantic plot line. And Marinette wasn’t a freaky stalker 😂
Ikr I’m so glad that they actually learned each other’s identities and hopefully got together. Thank god Thomas Astruc had nothing to do with the movie.
@@facebrenthe show’s plot line is literally all over the place. Atleast when it comes to the movie you can make better sense of it instead of jumping through a bunch of loops. In the show, *no one* must know their true identities, and they mustn’t find out each other’s identities either, yet Ladybug was the one handing out all the miraculous to her classmates. Then not to mention she revealed herself to Alya, and Luka somehow knows both their secrets. But what’s stopping Ladybug from opening up to Chat Noir? Well, if they reveal themselves to each other then Chat Blanc is bound to happen, so those two can’t get a happy ending. Marinette in the show ceases to function when she’s around Adrien, Adrien only sees her as a friend because he only has eyes for Ladybug, Ladybug could give less of a damn about Chat Noir because she’s smitten for Adrien. It’s all over the place. And yet, they’ve kissed on multiple occasions. It’s very strange. The movie handled their dynamic way better in my opinion. Made Mari more human, gave Adrien more depth, and gave them some realistic chemistry that seems to spam between the beginning of the school year till December at the Ball, giving them a good few months of actually growing more comfortable with eachother (as their superhero counterparts and as their normal selves)
I mean not rlly? There was barely any Adrienette in the movie and they didn’t develop the Adrienette relationship that well at all imo… tho they did a great job with Ladynoir.
I think Hawkmoth's music number works. It's a fun song that gives Dr. Facilier vibes and I am here for it. Not only that, but I think the goal there was to attempt to make Gabe force himself into thinking he was having fun with it and wanted to do it. When in reality he was trying to suppress his pain and guilt
I mean, the only way to be able to keep doing villanous things like that is to enjoy yourself. So forcing yourself to have fun with creating chaos is a good strategy.
As a lighting artist, I screamed because finally someone mentioned the GOD-tier lighting in this movie. It's simply goals! Especially towards the end when you see the storm rolling in...it was beautiful!
I am surprised the writing team dared to make Marinette not perfect, as she is on the show, that adds a lot of room for growth to happen. Also, the scenes in the montage where Adrien shows Marinette his mother, we don't get to hear them speak, but at least it is shown they are having conversations that are longer and more meaningful than what the show presented in 4 seasons.
If you think Marinette from the show is perfect a Mary sue then you need to see a doctor.Why were all the seasons where Marinette couldn't confess to Adrien about hmm?MABYE TO SHOW MARINETTE NOT BEING PERFECT..
@@mladybug6620Are you Thomas Astruc in disguise? 😭🤣 cause seriously the amount you defended the shitshow Miraculous is in the comments is kinda funny.
@@ItsInfinteChan I defend what i like,actually that's a really cool insult.And also y'all are praising Jeremy for this movie,and yeah that's cool do it he deserves it,but y'all forget that he works on the show too,and y'all ditch the show but praise the movie who basically copied the whole show but just another ending.I agree the movie is written better than the show but like it doesn't make any sense.I just hope that we'll get a good future for this show.💀💀
@@marshalbarachieloftheblack9697 Nope,that's called bad writing if you think she didin't get any consequences.She literally did in every finale,by becoming the guardian which caused her lots of pain and stress,bullying,losing Master fu,losing the Miraculous.Those were some really good consequences.😊
One of my favorite things this movie did was their special abilities. It really leans into the creation/destruction powers. Chat’s cataclysm absolutely destroys the Eiffel Tower (more than usual) and Ladybug doesn’t have a lucky charm and instead just repairs everything herself. It feels like such a great and creative choice they made. It’s also something I’ve seen in multiple fics but hey, we already know the fandom has better creatives than the people working on the show. Edit: *how did this turn into an argument about the sentimonster theory?!?!?*
I believe the characters, namely Mari and Adrien, were somewhat based off their original concepts (back when the show was original aiming to be a 2d animation). This would explain why they feel/seem different than their tv series counterparts.
Yeah, it felt like a good middle ground. Adrien was still kind and gentle, but also moody and serious like anime Felix, and Marinette was still shy and self conscious, but much more realistic and not as goofy, she didn't have a panic attack talking to Adrien and handled the rejection rather well.
@@Leuwon felix but less edgy lmaooo No but Bridgette is actually a fanmade name , her name was marinette , but the fans called her that to separate both characters
“This situation is every 3rd fanfic ending” It’s almost like the fandom is able to write good endings that the actual writers can’t Edit: some of y’all are right, I can’t just blame the writers. Let me fix it: It’s almost like the fandom is able to write good endings that the producers won’t let the actual writers do.
I still can’t believe the ending of the show didn’t include Adrien. A whole in-universe year (and 8 real ones!) of hidden identities, masked confrontations, and father-son intrigue, all leading to… nothing! I feel like this is so obvious. I cannot comprehend how it went so wrong.
@@hiiamelecktro4985 The series has an open-ending that helps for future seasons with storylines still needed to be closed. => good writing The movie has a close ending with a really weird cliffhanger and no established storyline that could be continued since all of them were closed. Wouldn't be bad... if a trilogy wasn't announced. => bad writing.
Kinda wild how the movie has a better ending than the anticipated season 5 finale. I had no idea how starved I was for the big gabe/Adrien final confrontation until the movie did it while actually kinda humanizing Gabe while still having Adrien hold him accountable for his neglect.
Can we just talk about how shippable Marinette and Adrien are in this movie? They have soo much chemistry. Also this version of the pairing isn't toxic. Marinette actually confesses her feelings, and isn't obsessive and possessive towards Adrien. And Adrien doesn't force himself on her after she says no. And they actually start dating! I honestly can't see this Marinette stealing his phone, sniffing his pillows or embarrassing Lila for little to no good reason. The entire sequence that plays before Chat Noir confesses was so adorable that it remined me of how single I am. When they finally get together at the end, it felt like a victory and I loved it.
Yeah instead of the creeper girl being a f**king stalker who memorizes her victim's schedule and follows him to other continents, the movie just did a basic teenage crush arc instead. And instead of C*ck Noir continuously harassing his partner after she said no and putting dating her above literally saving lives, the movie just made him get kind of sad after being rejected instead. Which by itself is bare minimum. But sadly leagues better than the actual show.
The only thing i still don't understand about the movie is that the VAs for Marinette and Adrien get replaced for the songs. They're the only ones (that i could notice). It's not like their original VAs can't sing, and it's extremelly jarring to from an extremely nasal voice to one that's way deeper in tone and still act like it's the same character.
@@0ofersIzMyCatchphrase fair enough, but that still doesn't explain Marinette. You can't really use the excuse that her VA can't sing when she does the show's intro and has her own music career.
@@iDKVibeprobs bc they want it to be a pop hit and Lou’s voice is better for that. not saying I completely agree with their decision as I was taken out of the movie every time they ended a song😂
@@duhneez2068that makes me so upset. Honestly, the first Marinette song which was the most pop-sounding one, was the one I least liked. Aside from the VA’s change (WHY DIDNT CHRISTINA SING GODDAMIT SHES GOT VOCALS), I think it would have been better if it sounded more like musical theatre. All the other songs were more musical theatre sounding, and they worked better with the story and the things that were being said (go figure). Like all the other sounds sounded like… actually songs from a musical, and not from a music video. Idk if that makes sense
@@duhneez2068I think you're right, that does make a lot of sense. Still a lil weird for a movie to do that though. While Cristina Vee is an awesome singer, I don't know if her voice would work _as well_ as Lou's does for those songs. I do hope that Cristina Vee atleast does covers of the songs, though. That would be cool.
Despite all it's flaws, I still enjoyed the hell out of this movie, it basically gave us what the show hasn't in 8 years and more than a 100 episodes And the funny part is: Thomas Astruc (creator of Miraculous) said this after the movie premiered in France: "The movie gives you what you want, The show gives you what you need", plus a lot of stuff saying that he needed to extend the show as much as he can or else he would have been out of job, and that you need to be an animation industry expert and also french to understand Basically he said a lot of bullshit because people said (and keeps saying) that the movie and Jeremy Zag did a better job with Miraculous than himq
"You need to be French"?? Seriously?? I knew that Astruc was immature and racist, but that's just borderline childish bs. My animation teacher is friends with people who work at DreamWorks and Pixar, and they're not French. Idk what Astruc is trying to even say here because all I'm hearing is utter bs
Lmao it's kinda sad how we're all like "the movie could've been better.... BUT it's WAAAAAY better than the show, therefore I love it." And I totally agree bcs the movie would've literally been better if they 1- had more time to flesh out the plot and characters and 2- like the video said, did it's own thing without even caring about matching some of the show's plot points (ex: Chloe basically taking screen time unnecessarily). Which- considering that the movie had like 1 hr and a half, they did amazing bcs the show has nothing on the movie despite the fact they're 5 seasons in and 8 yrs "working" on it. And like we're establishing: way better than the show, so I love it and I'm sticking with it rather than the show. + only thing I really hated was Plagg only being used for the fart thing mostly. He was funnier in the show. Besides that: movie > show
@@Rox7nei will be honest, i agree with you. i wish the movie could’ve been atleast 2 hours so they could flesh out the plot like you said. i also thought that it was rushed because it didn’t take long for gabriel to regret his actions.
@@Rox7neI agree. I absolutely love the movie, but I also wish it was longer so that more things were fleshed out. Definitely prefer it to the show, it reminds me of some amazing fanfics that I read.
@@jinnsra yeah I would've liked it if they developed the plot more in many parts of the story. Besides Gabriel, (who also would've been better with more screen time), I would've liked to see Adrienette developing in a scene rather than a montage. Or have more time for Chloe, Nino & Alya so their inclusion in the movie made more sense than just "they're the show's go-to bad guy and besties to the heroes"... more time for the kwamis, Plagg especially. But compared to the show? Lol it's like comparing crusty awful old bread with a yummy cake. 🤣 & the movie is definitely NOT the awful one.
To be honest, the movie was a lot like what I wanted the show to be. Especially when it did its own thing. I really enjoyed that w actually saw Adrian grieving his mother’s death.
I think Marinette knew Alya and Nino were on the rollercoaster since they had already said they were going. They probably could’ve had her notice to give a visual cue tho. I do think seeing her dad in danger wouldve been better tho.
They did the franchise justice and I literally clapped at the cinema after the kiss scene. I was so happy. We’ve waited EIGHT YEARS for the reveals AND THIS GODDAMN JUSTICE OH MY GOD
I'm giving the movie applause simply for changing Gabriels story line for him to come face to face with the fact that he went too far. It just makes so much more sense and it did a beautiful job showing how lost he got without his wife, but that he still loved his son enough to stop. That's all the tv show ever had to do, but ayyyye Astruc will do what he does for whatever reason.
This movie was good, I liked the changes Zag made, but man was this movie CLUNKY. It can’t be it’s own movie because the things we need to know aren’t properly explained in this universe, and things in my opinion went far too fast, which is strange considering it’s almost two hours. It’d production value is great though, the animation is its saving grace and I’m not kidding, this movie has so many beautiful scenes in it that just melted me, but at the same time the editing could’ve had another run through. Things just happened and cuts were so abrupt it was incredibly noticeable during my first watch but hey, pretty good movie overall if you’re a fan of the show and animation as a whole. Pretty good changes overall compared to the show, but it could’ve been wrapped up a little tighter in multiple places.
I felt that the plot moved a bit too fast, and there was a lot of singing (nearly eight songs before the halfway point). It was also refreshing to see two straight characters who are interested in each other, on screen, at the same time, which hasn't happened in a movie in some time.
11:18 I actually think a really great route to take this that would have made for a fantastic arc is if the “love” Marinette had to learn was self-love. I mean, she literally has 4 different songs in the movie about how she’s unsure of herself, so I think that would have been a great pay-off. Like, what if when Tikki tells Marinette that she needs to embrace the power of love, Marinette interprets this as romantic love, and thus comes up short, only for Tikki to tell her that in order to embrace love, you must first love yourself… Or maybe not, idk, I’m not a professional writer, but then again, it doesn’t seem like the Miraculous writers are either.
From making me wait 8 years and 100+ episodes for just Marinette to talk to Adrien without stuttering...the movie was a real slap in the face when they finished everything in one and a half hour. Couldn't even figure out how to react when they revealed identities 🙏🙏help
For me, my biggest pet peeve was Adrien's whole saltiness towards Ladybug rejecting him softly and the two getting together by the end. Like, I know it's Miraculous, and I know it's Adrien, and I know it's just the default way couples are portrayed in any sort of media, but it still bugs me that he doesn't even take Ladybug's call for help seriously until Plagg snapped him out of it. And I really don't like how petty he was towards her during battle. I think it would've worked so much better, not just as a healthier example in love but also thematically with the rest of the story beats, if Adrien was like 'I respect your decision. And don't worry, nothing could stop me from appreciating the time we spend together' (cheesy, I know, but I'm just making this up on the spot) or something, especially since it would tie back into how Marionette felt like she couldn't be loved as herself in the early parts of the movie. It would've made the duo's connection feel stronger and the ending would've felt more earned cause we know that they're genuinely just a go.od match and work well together, romantic feelings or not. Or, alternatively, they could've kept the salty-Adrien sideplot, but halfway during the battle, the two reconcile and he apologizes for being a jerk. He could briefly say how some other stuff came up to tip his mo.od just over the edge at the time (argument with his dad, Marionette's love offer was likely a big reminder for Ladybug again and maybe he could've felt guilty for rejecting her?), and he was projecting his repressed emotions onto the failed relationship between the duo. But yeah, it really just rubs me the wrong way how he was so pissy, and then by the end, he got Ladybug as a partner anyways despite never addressing his behavior. Unrelated: Until you mentioned the dad, I literally forgot how they were setting him up in the movie TwT Also Unrelated: My favorite scene is definitely when Ladybug and Chat Noir are sparring on the ro.oftops.
💯agree and ironically i think in early seasons in the series he initially accepts that rejection better after confessing. just that "what your boyfriends too busy" threw me off like dont do that adrien emotions in battle get ur ass beat quicker... tho the moping in bed while the citys was on fire tickled me more than it shouldve idk
As a fan. I enjoyed the movie. I think the fandom gets a bit extreme in some aspects. But I did enjoy the more grounded characters. It cut a good amount of bloat, but your critiques are very similar to the thoughts I had. The movie was too safe and could have gone further
@@MystE1010I think “safe” in this context refers to the way the movie handled its overall plot. Like, it doesn’t really do anything new or excel in anything, but it’s still a decent movie. It’s leagues better compared to the show though which… is good or bad depending on how you look at it lol
@@firehorn5727 On a movie of 1 hour 30 minutes you have more than 10 minutes of songs. 10 minutes that could have been used on... I don't know, developping a story and characters ? Or they could do a trilogy on Hawkmoth, instead of rushing his story in one movie (they want to do a trilogy btw). Seeing people having so low expectations from this movie when they shit on the main series feels really strange to me.
@@groudonvert7286 Nah, I completely I agree with your points. I think the community’s perspective (mine included) is just so skewed on what “good” is because the show has just been that bad for years. I think as someone familiar with the series, I’d call the movie good relative to the show. Realistically, it’s pretty mid.
I cannot lie about this, but Gabriel’s number shifted into a “Let’s do a villain number, but slightly rip it off from Disney’s Princess and the Frog.” It really felt like they wanted to do the song “My friends on the Other Side,” but not exactly that. At least Gabriel’s actor can hit those notes sooooo well.
Better than the show by a ton, but it did need more time to flush certain things out. If only these people were the ones writing the actual series. I don't care about visuals. I actually LIKE the movie versions of the characters, unlike the show. The only character the show did better was plagg.
I assumed when Tikki says “protect the ones you love” Marinette thought about her parents and how if she doesn’t be Ladybug then they’ll always be exposed to potential danger. Since it kept showing how much she loves them and how much she relies on them. A flashback memory of them could have helped make it clearer.
I think the main reason they had Tom be very prominent in the movie was because they wanted to show off the parallels between him and Gabriel. Since he was a lovable father while Gabriel doesn't really give his son the time of day. It works very well and really makes it more impactful. Also loved that Chloe wasn't throwing herself at Adrien the whole time like in the show. Marinette becoming more confident was honestly probably the best part to watch as she finally had enough guts to talk back to Chloe. Unlike the show. The movie did an amazing job to improve all the flaws that were VERY much present in the show.
I’m happy that this exists. It finally gave us the confrontation between Adrien and Gabriel. Still can’t be Adrien wasn’t even in the finally of the show 😭
You’re absolutely right, they could have used Tom more. I never really thought about that when I watched but the fandom LOVES Tom. He’s one of the best parents ever and he just kind of disappears during the second half of the film. The juxtaposition between Marinette and her family vs. Adrien and his family has always been interesting to me and it’s actually kind of a shame the writers didn’t take advantage of that.
For the 1st time in my life, I actually liked a Miraculous media. I adore this movie, the characters are ACTUALLY characters & not like Thomas's bad writing. It has flaws yes, but I liked it (can't believe I'm saying that) well done Jeremy!
one of the biggest missed opportunities you didn't mention is how they played into marrient's love of fashion and art to represent the ladybugs power of creation and didn't do the same thing with Adrien's fencing to represent the power of destruction.
I know I wasn't meant to find it funny but I laughed so hard when Adrian's mom joined the hug. Like her spirit just hulks over them. They needed to size her down or something.
For your point with Gabriel's switch from lamenting to maniacal joy, I think it could have worked if the possession/use of the butterfly miraculous was shown to have immediate and adverse effects of the user's mental state. Sort of like The Mask. Especially since it's known to target those of deep, negative states and ultimately is associated with pure chaos, to see how he would have become this other worldly character when he first attempted to use the miraculous on the proposal-gone-wrong guy, it would have made much more sense to see him go from remorseful and scared before putting it back on to eff it, let's do this afterwards.
WHICH ACTUALLY, HOLD ON - THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT PLOT POINT AND WOULD HAVE HELPED TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OF ALL OF THEM. If they actually used the concept of Adrien having been home schooled prior to and being very socially inept (or at least that would have made much more sense for his character), Marinette as clumsy, anxious, and unconfident, and Garbriel as his lamenting self, yet the "miraculous" gave each of them the ability to break free from those confines; Adrien could be playful and open, Marinette confident and sure, Gabriel determined and vengeful... Now, I know that's basically what ended up happening for the most part - but they never really played on that. Had it come down to Marinette getting Ladybug stripped away from her, the whole "Ladybug doesn't exist without you" lecture and her ultimately finding courage within herself as Marinette without he mask would have felt much more earned I feel.
Omigosh! Your first sentence, is EXACTLY my feelings on it. Solid beginning, a little lost halfway through, but the ENDING MAN! That alone skyrocketed the movie to the top for me. Better than the show, 10/10. Okay maybe 8/10 but still.
I watched the end of season 5 and I had so many issues with it. But the ending of this was so much more satisfying! Like spoilers: Adrien actually finding out that his dad was Hawkmoth. It still baffles me that the show kept Adrien in the dark and lets him remember his mentally abusive dad as a hero. Wtf.
I suppose it all comes down to: "season 5 isn't supposed to be the last season of our show, so it's ending can't solve everything, otherwise the show must end". I don't really agree with this line of thought because a show can create new reasons for it to continue, instead of relying on the same old ones. I wanted a confrontation between Gabriel and Adrien, I wanted a full scale identity reveal, it was the right time! Buuuut we didn't get any on that... So sad.
I'm pretty sure Marrinette's dad was meant to get akumatized into a balloon monster in an earlier version of the script. He literally covered himself with them earlier and now was very distraught about disappointing his daughter. But it was cut because... reasons. Personally, I found the story to be far too clunky to enjoy (and I didn't like most songs, so that's an instant downer), but I understand why people would like it. It basically gives you everything that shows either keeps teasing, but never actually giving to you. PS. I'm watching the English dub, so I don't know yet how the current season ends.
Gabriel felt way more human than in the series. And I liked how they showed how tired he was getting and his appearance downgrading as the movie continues
I’ve been a fan of miraculous ladybug for a long while but since S3, I’ve been increasingly frustrated with where they’ve taken the show in terms of the plot and how they’ve done a lot of the characters very dirty. The only reason why I’m still watching is because I spent the past 4 seasons watching so I might as well see how the first saga finishes. Coming into the movie, I had no expectations at all besides really good animation and yet, I was thoroughly surprised and enjoyed the movie a lot. It wasn’t perfect, no. The songs were a bit much (though most I enjoyed) and the singing voices sounded drastically different from the speaking voices which was really jarring. The ending was rushed and we didn’t get to see Ladybug and Chat Noir fight many villains. But hot damn, I think I liked the characterization of nearly every character in the movie compared to the show besides maybe Plagg. Hawkmoth/Gabriel were way more sympathetic and I actually felt something during the final battle. The visuals were absolutely stunning especially with some of the songs. This is probably the most fun I’ve had with any MLB media in a long while which is something I don’t think I ever thought I’d say. Just sucks that we won’t get this as a series and have to go back to whatever the fuck is going on there.
Well, the movie had only three main characters. Marinette, Adrien and Gabriel, the rest was a totally side, and it was good - it give everyone time to show who they are. I would see more fights than hear songs, but damn, with gargoyle and mime were one of best in whole franchise. The end was really rushed, but damn at least they give what propably most fans wanted to see.
I like how *most of the SANE MLB's fans* are stopped in S3. I don't know how universal this is, but many former fans of MLB I asked was indeed stopped at the end of S3 😂
@@valhatan3907 well i stopped as S3 (but it was my fav season) cuz waiting to 22 kill some of my thrill for series. But i still was in fandom, read fics and comics
@@valhatan3907I personally stopped enjoying at season 3 because of the bloated amount of super powers they were pumping, as well as Chloe’s character assassination and the peacock’s miraculous lack of screentime (which is still probably the best concept of the show)
Fr the movie was a 6/10 animation is beautiful af but the movie had soo much potential. I feel like I would have liked this movie more if I didn't know the show.and its problems
it's a good 7.5/10 for me, the movie was brilliant in my opinion, parallels, foreshadowing, symbolic meanings, and some good character fleshing in a movie meant to summarize the show, it did well
Yeahh the movie is good it did have a couple of flaws in the writing part here and there but in fairness at least it’s miles better than the series imo
Thanks for pointing out about Marinette's dad! He should've been rescued at the park or maybe as the key drive for Marinette's transformation to Ladybug. I think the reason Chloe is there more is for the sake that the series really ruined her arc, did you see season 5? No more evil Chloe finally! Also Plagg was the only big disappointment I have with movie going it's own thing..
I only have two complaits about the movie: 1. Marinette's actual voice actor doesn't sing in the movie. She can sing but for some reason they replaced her for the songs. It is really distracting when the main character's voice chances just for the songs. I hated it. 2. We never actually see Marinette's reaction to finding out Adrien is Cat Noir. She was literally standing a few meters away from gabriel and adrien when gabriel found out so she must have found out at the same time. I was so dissapointed when we couldn't get to see her reaction as it could have had the potential to be an emotionally impactful moment. Oh and also this one is not so much a complaint but a remark. I found the climax to be quite underwhelming but I cant exactly figure out why.
Not enough buildup... And it was too RUSHED. If you saw the initial WHITE BOARD FIGHT CONCEPT. It was Wow!!! Outstanding!! They sabotaged the movie by the 90 minutes restriction! If they only had less songs...
One thing I personally love most about this movie is the way they portray how Ladybug controls where exactly her yo-yo lands. The yo-yo redesign and sound effect is simply ethereal and gorgeous, this movie as a whole is super eye-candy
Yes, I thought that the scene where Marinette becomes Ladybug didn't carry emotional impact, but I couldn't put my finger on it until you mentioned that she didn't react to her loved ones being in danger. That was what she did in the climax instead, but my problem with that was that she wouldn't have done it without Tikki's encouragement. They showed us that Marinette has become more confident not only as her alter ego, but as herself, too. So it didn't make sense for her to start thinking that she's nothing without the mask. That being said, I still enjoyed the movie. It did everything better than the show, not perfectly, but better.
Gabrielle is pretty good but. My hats off to Chloe's glow up. I personally found this to be an amazing film. The push to overcome her fears. and the Tikki saying if you want to save your loved ones you'll have to face your fears. For me it's not detracted from the scene because she didn't see anyone she loved in danger, it's because the characters sow so much chaos that her family will eventually be in danger. Sure she could run away and have it potentially not impact but if you don't become ladybug, what does the future hold for your family. Additionally, Marinette loves everyone and wants to be noticed. She's struggling against the fact that she doesn't think she can live up to everyone's vision of her. You can see this in the film as she sees everyone talking about how weird she is. She doesn't feel she can be loved by everyone or be that hero. Gabriel jumping straight into a villain scene after showing his as compassionate. I also thought this was acceptable because he simply embraced what he had to do. Sow chaos, become evil, do anything to bring his wife back. I didn't think it was too out of place for him to jump into it. Marinette not overcoming her clumsiness and still doubting herself at the end because she wasn't ladybug, also no problem here. Just because she became more confident doesn't mean she didn't have her doubts about her hero abilities as being Marinette. Ladybug is how she became confident, it has power that comes with the suit. In addition to Gabrielle winning the fight. Cat Noir and Ladybug were not fighting together. It shows in the film and I think losing in that moment and getting an ending where Adrienne actually gets to have some closure in a finale is awesome. This ended with an emotional banger and that's really what the film did right. I think they pushed the emotional side of things and didn't have to spoon feed us everything. Some things I wish they would have changed. Cat Noir and Ladybug Duet for when they found their powers. Marinette saying saying she's not the hero Tikki is looking for and Cat noir saying he can finally not be himself and instead be a hero would be an interesting dichotomy while also both gaining powers. However, both have the same internal conflicts for wanting/not wanting to be super heroes. Marinette doesn't think she can because clumsy/weird and Adrienne wanting to because he's mostly alone, no parents,/sad and wants that escape. I really hate the direction they took Plaggs character. Just an old man with gas that hates everything. Overall enjoyed the film and yea, I could nitpick it like in the video, but I don't think the things you mentioned detracted from story the put together.
I hated Plagg's character so much lol, he was probably the best developed character in the show (not saying much) and they destroyed him. Probably the worst part about the movie besides the jarring singing and boring songs.
@@ForrestFox626 I really hope so, I'm not sure if they could ever completely reverse this drastic mistake though... He shall forever be gross in the movie canon lol.
I want to agree with all of your takes here but I also do feel the movie still didn't explain and hammer those points well enough hence why alot of people said the movie feels clunky but I mostly blame the rushed pacing here. It's pretty clear that this movie had to be cut down because the duration is too long. And like some people said, I think it'd be better if it were separated into 2 movies instead of 1
So glad you made a video about this movie!! The film was really good and a huge improvement from the show. But you are right that the writing falters and feels cringy in many places. Superhero origin stories are fun but Marinette definitely did not have enough of a motive to dive into it and I wish they had shown more of Chat Noir's reason for wanting to become a superhero too. The writers always seem to put less effort into his story even though I find him a more complex and interesting character.
Honestly I liked the villain song of Gabriel because it shows his corrupted side and what the power of the miraculous does to someone who isn’t pure hearted or good intentions. After his desperation, he finally feels like he’s in control of something and use the power for himself. He can create chaos. And he chooses that to get his wife back. And he now lives for the power which consumes him. Only his son brings back his humanity and compassion. Personally I think that was the motivation
Spoilers: I was so frustrated at certain points. Especially when Marinette spontaneously decided to be a hero after steadfastly refusing. Also I feel like Marinette kinda fell for Chat but Adrien didn’t really fall for Marinette. I reaaaally feel that needs to happen before they get together. I had a lot of other issues with it. But a lot of it was really enjoyable!
This franchise is just the right amount of frustrating to be fun. I really liked the changes they did to the story, to the point that every time it went back to series canon it felt like a betrayal more than anything. But now we can say that the movie got Ladybug and Chat Noir together while the series got Marinette and Adrien together and it somehow isn't the same thing.
That's what I was thinking as well. Personally, the only thing I really love about this movie is the amount of LadyNoir content. At the end of season 4 I was expecting season 5 to be full of memorable LadyNoir moments, but we got an insane amount of Adrienette instead (better than nothing, don't get me wrong, but... It's not the same)
TBH , I don't think Jeremy Zag really cares if people love or hate the show or movie. As long as people watch it and the show keeps making money , that's all that really matters. The Movie is already number 1 on netflix so in his eyes , it's a success.
He definitly cares more than the show. The differences with the characters and the plot compared to the actual series show that some thought and effort was put into it. I don't think he worked to his death on it, but it's definitly not made with just money in mind
Honestly my biggest peeve with this movie is how they made Plagg a giant fart joke. Like c'mon man, why. I also wish Cristina Vee did Marinettes singing, but I got used to the jarring change of voice acting eventually and the singing sounded so good that part of me is not complaining. Overall though, I genuinely enjoyed this move. Part of that could be clouded by the contrast of how much better it is than the show though lmao
Me and my sister watched Miraculous as a guilty pleasure way back when so this was something we couldn't skip out on. When going into the movie I expected this to be the show's level of underdeveloped and bait-y but was so surprised to actually see that they did something better than the show with its characters, not to mention its visuals are stunning and breathtaking. It felt satisfying to see Marionette and Adrien get the proper development they actually deserved. While I think the writing is fairly subpar, it excelled at being better than the show which is enough for me. If you're expecting Miraculous to be this phenomenal writing piece then you will be disappointed, but it's fun if you just look at it as a silly cartoon flick.
I'm working on my own vid about the movie, and one of my notes was that I liked how it set up Mari being awkward with her parents and then by the end having her let them drop her off at the ball, but it was weird that it wasn't used elsewhere. And you just explained it perfectly, they should've thrown in Tom being in danger at the fair, then Mari at the end letting Tom drop her off would be better because it's like she's valuing him more (for like of a better phrase ig)
For me the only things I liked about this movie are the songs and character designs. But other than that the film as a whole wasn't that great. But that's just how I feel about it anyway.
I absolutely LOVED that we could see adrien struggle with depression/mourning. Males in media (especially media for kids) rarely do emotionally processing, and to have such representation of it in this movie was great. I also love that Marinette isnt a stalker (hate teaching the lack of boundaries to kids).The writing was decent enough, it was a bit rushed, but overall this movie is a million miles ahead of the show.
As usual, the ladybug movie had weird pacing and odd writing points. Still, I enjoy Lady and Noir’s banter much better in the movie than later ladybug episodes
Movie has a ton of flaws with pacing and musical segments are weird. Other that I like the animation, looks way better than series. Also unlike season 5 I'm glad they had Adrian be the one confronting Gabriel on his actions verses Marinette.
Didn’t know this was coming, but knew I had to watch immediately when I saw the notification. Love this channel, love the show, watched the movie yesterday, so I’m all down.
The best way to describe this movie is like a one of those Miraculous fan comic AUs on TH-cam that everyone watches to convince them that the show is better than it actually is.
I think the fact this movie was at least good gives me some hope that it's sequel could be great, especially if the creators see the positive response to the movie canon moving away from the show's. If they play their cards right, we could see a Miraculous comeback and that excites me so much!
Who here really is that surprised, this movie was mostly created under Jeremy Zag, who wrote some of the best episodes of tv and who has been mostly absent from recent series, Thomas austruck had nothing to do with this film, so all the problematic, awful writing issues were not carried over from the show.
It's too bad they felt the need to adhere to the show in the ways they did. I'd love to see Jeremy run and do the series how he wants with no regard for Thomas's feelings, just to see what it could've been
8:35 I thought the reason there were so many moments with Tom was to show how different Marinette’s dad was to Adrien’s dad. To contrast their personalities as fathers to the main characters.
Gosh, I dropped the show about s3, cause I got tired of the writing and romance, so I'm a little curious about the film, see what they do differently and see if it's better. I am laughing that they wrapped up the HM arc in a single movie when this show took 5 whole seasons which technically does make it better that way. Whenever you continue, I wish your sanity and patience luck, if you wind up covering it, I look forward to hearing the sanity that is the romance of ML.
It's completely rushed in the movie. Yes it takes a bit too long in the series (mainly because season 1 and 2 are mostly fillers), but it's way too fast in the movie.
This movie accomplished more in an hour than the show did in 5 seasons. If only the show had better writing it could’ve been such a great series. The concept is already pretty cool. They just execute it horribly.
This movie had a lot of pros and cons. Overall the writing and the movie itself was much better than the show, but it still felt too rushed and stale in places. Pros: Animation (obviously) Adrien NOT being a sentimonster (because that was such cheap and terrible writing) Marinette actually being able to hold a normal conversation with Adrien without being a creepy stalker Background characters actually looking like real people Hawkmoth's musical number (it SLAPPED, especially that high note at the end, voice actor can SING, definitely my favorite song from the movie) The reveal (it actually happening and being sweet instead of unnecessary drama) Adrien being more cold and distant instead of just perfect and friendly, makes more sense with his background Adrien's singing voice- I've seen some people complain that his voice sounds too different, but I thought it sounded pretty close and was nowhere near as off as Marinette's. For all his range, Adrien's voice actor isn't the best singer so I think the guy they chose to be his singing voice did a pretty good job and sounded more like a teenager and not a grown adult Gabriel's working scene- him actually being in the designing place and giving orders like that one dress establish him as an actual fashion designer, because in the show all he really seemed to do was be on video calls. Adrien standing up to his dad- It was a very satisfying moment and felt much more gratifying than Gabriel literally controlling Adrien whenever he got out of line Ladybug and Chat Noir feeling more equal instead of Chat Noir as the "sidekick." I actually liked that Chat Noir jokingly called Ladybug the sidekick instead because of how that's what he has become degraded to be in the show There being only the core miraculous, and not all those extra ones that made the show just too much. Not every single classmate needs to have a miraculous. Adrien being called a "guardian" as well instead of just Marinette Tikki and Plagg animal forms- I like the idea that Tikki and Plagg can portray themselves as a literal ladybug and cat respectively, I think that's a really neat detail Tikki commenting about how the times changed, how "you discovered electricity!" and "women can wear pants now!" Shows how old Tikki and the kwamis actually are. Ladybug and Chat Noir's dynamic- Them being actual partners and Ladybug not neglecting Chat Noir. Their banter was good and I liked how it wasn't just Ladybug who influenced Chat Noir to feel free and not cold, but also Chat Noir helping Ladybug to become confident and strong as well. And the Ladynoir moments were really good. Ladybug and Chat Noir actually taking damage, and their suits not being industructable. Also the fact that the kwamis can be out even when their holder is transformed is interesting. Cons: Ladybug's singing voice being way too grown up and different in pitch than Christina Vee- Don't get me wrong, the singing voice was great, but it just didn't match Marinette's and it made her musical numbers a bit hard to get through. Christina Vee is a good singer, so I really wish they would have let her sing Marinette's musical numbers instead, or at least picked someone with a higher tone of voice or someone that could sound more like Marinette's higher pitched voice The songs- They were good, but I felt like there was just too many and it took away from the plot and caused the movie to feel more rushed than it could have been. I wish they would have made the movie more plot-based than song-based, because I feel like that would have fixed a lot of the issues the movie had. Hawkmoth's defeat- the battle was overall too rushed and we saw too little of him, most of that due to the time skip scenes. But I did like the way he actually cared for his son and saw what he did wrong, and owning up to his crimes and facing the punishment instead of just disappearing and pretending he was a hero, Adrien never knowing. The moment Adrien and Marinette fall for separate versions of the other feeling too rushed- Marinette saw Adrien in the library once and then "instantly fell in love", Ladybug saved Chat Noir once, not even totally purposefully, and then Chat Noir goes from thinking she's a noob to thinking she had been doing it for a long time and then "fell in love." I also wish we had more moments of Adrien and Marinette's friendship instead of the silent time skip moments, but it at least established they were friends for awhile despite their actual interactions being minimal. Adrien's transition to Chat Noir- We saw Plagg in his cat form and then the next time we see Adrien he's already become Chat Noir, I wish we could have seen his reaction to Plagg and his newfound hero status. Chloe hating Marinette for seemingly no reason- I wish the movie would have given an insight into why Chloe bullies Marinette and only her specifically, like some sort of motive, selfish or not. But she was just there to be rude and that was it. And another small detail, at the end she said "the bullying starts again next year" or whatever, but no one who is a bully ACTUALLY calls what they're doing bullying. The confusion about who was new to the school- Marinette was an outcast and said she didn't have any friends, so was she the one new to that school? If not, why would everyone ignore her if they weren't mean like Chloe? Was Alya the one who was new? She met Marinette for the first time in the movie. Was Adrien new to the school like he was in the show? Nino already knew him and was friends with him, so was he new or not? The ball at the end- it was rushed, I know the movie had to be wrapped up at that point but it was a little disappointing for it to be in the movie for like 3-5 minutes and then be over. And why was Marinette not wearing a mask if it was a masquerade ball and everyone else was?? Tikki and Marinette's dynamic- I wish Tikki and Marinette were shown to be closer and Tikki more wise, instead of her just being a bunch of cliche quotes. But their song together was cute at least. Neutrals: Ladybug not having a lucky charm- I like the premise of her fixing everything herself, it feels more in line with the "creation" thing instead of having some random object save the day. However, the fact that this power was only shown at the end whereas Chat Noir used cataclysm multiple times made it feel a little imbalanced, like Chat Noir had this specific ability and Ladybug was just swinging around. And it meant the other battles didn't quite make sense, because if the first time she used that ability was at the end, then how did all the other fights shown in the time skip get cleaned up?? Gabriel's backstory- him finding the miraculous as a way to save Emilie makes sense, but it also doesn't because Emilie had the peacock miraculous in the post-credit scene, so Gabriel would have had to know about the miraculous before Emilie "disappeared". Unless he and Emily had the peacock miraculous but not the butterfly one yet?? Emilie's disappearance backstory- I can't really put this as a total con, because the movie had such a short time frame, but I wish we would have had some bit about what caused her to get sick. Tikki and Plagg being referred to as "genies" even though they were already called kwamis felt confusing and unnecessary, but it was such a small detail that it didn't really affect much.
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Can you please do The Dragon Prince season 5?
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I'm sorry. You'd actually prefer the trainwreck of a season 5 finale, that dumbass Thomas Astruc created?! In favor of something actually good?!
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Actually seeing Hawk Moth/Gabriel get called out by Adrien for his abuse and then arrested for his crimes after being exposed and giving up the fight willingly is beyond satisfying.
Wait I missed the arrest part the AGRESTE AREEST
@@Stolasupremecy The arrest wasn't actually put in the movie, but we can assume it happened
What arrest?He wasn't arrested.💀
@@mladybug6620There were some scenes that were definitely missing from that movie. Marinette and Adrien learning to use their powers and Gabriel being arrested were indeed some of them. I always felt like I missed a scene with the way they did the pacing her.
@@ajstudios9210 Yeah. Adrien just kinda does a cataclysm, and it's never explained what it is in-movie. Kind of like how Tikki never fully explains the situation to Marinette. Just says she knows she can handle being Ladybug.
Honestly, I can forgive every bad thing in this movie, because of how they made Gabe and how THEY ACTUALLY ALLOWED ADRIEN TO FACE HIS DAD IN THE ENDING
And also the fact that it was actually Ladybug and Cat Noir as a real team and not just Ladybug being helped by Cat Noir (sometimes)
no cus i was so confused by the series ending, its just so....eh
@-Topin- I knoww, right?
They sent Gabriel to jail! That fixed a part of my soul!
Like finally
Something that always bothered me is that tikki has been with every ladybug since her creation and even tho she has literal centuries of experience she never tells marinette anything useful aside from cat poster quotes
It could have been an interesting dynamic, tikki being a veteran of the job expecting marinette to be her usual ladybug until she reveals herself to be a massive dork
Tikki
@@47ratsinahoodie thanks
Tikki and I can see where you’re coming from.
if there are any fanworks like this I would totally read them
Chad Plagg
For people saying this movie feels like fanfiction, it literally is💀 This is Jeremy Zag’s take on the miraculous concept. The show writers didn’t write this film, so that’s why you might feel like the characters are a bit different ( ex. Marinette not being a stalker, Adrien being more gloomy, Gabriel being a decent father, etc.) This also explains why the miraculous powers work differently here, like why there’s no lucky charm and how akumas work differently. This is Jeremy’s fanfiction adapted with an $80 million euro budget, and hell, the lost potential was insane and it was rushed but he delivered regardless😭 at least in the fandom’s eyes , lord knows we’ve been starved of ANY decent writing💀
man seeing the criticisms of the show and seeing the movie makes me wonder what could have been if the love web didn't exist and it was more about the superhero aspect
My only problem with this movie is that its kinda rushed
80 million euro, 90 million dollars
@@paulinagabrys8874yeah you’re right it was in euros, I changed my comment :)
Agreed, I love this movie. From the stunning animation to the characterization (except Plagg). It’s definitely not perfect, but the show is a lot worse.
Was I the only one angry that they didn’t have Cristina Vee sing for Marinette? She can actually sing- she’s sung for other projects before. Her voice would’ve been stunning in this movie!
The second marinette started singing i was so confused on why they didnt have cristina vee sing. The singer for marinette is amazing but I just don’t like the drastic different between marinettes high-pitched voice and then the sudden drop of the singers voice.
I was also turned off from this. The movie looks amazing but omg I can't believe they didn't use cristina vee to sing for her. I can understand using close singers to the voice actors who can't sing, but doing this is ridiculous.
NO I THOUGHT THAT THE SECOND MARI STARTED SINGING
@@amber_b1723yeah. I didn’t like the change either. It seemed that the actor that sang for Adrien and Hawkmock was better since the comparison to both of the characters for each of them wasn’t so drastic.
If they made a sequel to this film, I would love to see Cristina Vee use her singing voice for Marinette rather than the one we got.
Every time this video switches from the movie to the show it is *JARRING* how good the movie looks in comparison
Of course it looks better it's a MOVIE.
@@mladybug6620i mean yeah but like 90% of the time a tv show movie is just the shows artstyle with better lighting and sometimes slightly smoother, this is a whole diferent artstyle with amazing lighting
@@santiagobarreraruiz7280 Of course the show was going for a more simple design for the characters to be more easy to animate.Of course the movie has a different artstyle than the show cause the designers were going for something hard to animate to catch the viwers attention.
@@mladybug6620 not all movies have good animation
also there is lots of shows with good animation
@@_k33l4n_ Miraculous (the show) has a good 3d animation compared to other 3d shows.💀
So much of this movie feels like it was written based on what the fanbase wanted:
- "Ladybug doesn't exist with you"
- The masquerade Ball scene
- Gabriel's emotional breakdown over Adrien being Chat Noir
- Rooftop patrol scenes
- Marinette showing up in a Ladybug dress (totally missed opportunity in S5)
- The double heartbreak scene
Granted the show does do some of these, but most of these concepts existed in fanfics long before the Season 5 finale and executed better than the movie.
Ok and? We all agree the fanfics did the concept better.
In my opinion, the fact that the movie has these ideas that the fanbase wanted, shows that some of the creative team listened to fans, while the series is so adverse to listening to what fans want (example: the "bully b**er" Astruc has for a Chloe's redemption arc) that it just elevates the movie even more above the series.
Gabriel's emotional breakdown just destroyed the main antagonist lol.
Just remember that Gabriel finding out his son was Cat Noir, decided to akumatize him - twice. And each time, he either destroyed the world or won.
the show does it half assed
@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294”oK aNd?” What does this mean??? Why do people keep saying this just to sound rude or sound aggressive??? Are you literally asking for more info or your just trying to be mean….
I love how instead of using slightly upset people to do hawkmoths bidding, hawkmoth chose literal criminals to do the job. This makes so much more sense for the entire story and motives that hawkmoth has.
However I didn't like the way they made Marinette an absolute scaredy cat. She was an absolute extrovert but now she's crippled by anxiety.
@@paula_vous at least she's got some kind of personality now
@@TheoSur she definitely had a personality before. But to each their own.
@@paula_vousThat personality was an obsessive stalker
@@Zulkak1357 you’ve got a point.🤷♀️
I always thought it was a dumb that Master Fu chose literal children for the job of saving Paris, especially with his backstory. I love that the movie changed this and had the kwamis choose instead, it kinda reinforced the whole “chosen one” bit
Also watching over BOTH of them, not just Mari.
@@raistlin3462Yes! Dear lord, and not even just that. The show does NOT sell the part where BOTH OF THEM ARE THE PROTAGONISTS! It"s all Mari, Marinette, and Ladybug! Where is proper Adrien spotlight? And don't get me started on the season finale. Visually it was amazing and the scenes themselves were quite great, but the fact that they pushed Adrien out of the plot was absolutely horrible. This is why the movie is so much better--Adrien is not sidelined! Goodness.
I've put so much years into this franchise; I don't want to give up watching it. But goodness, it is pure painful. Like, as a person who aspires to be a published writer one day, I do not understand how people sit down & purposefully write down these plotlines. It's Greed isn't it? They just want money, marketing, plushies, toys. Man. Why can't we have passionate writers nowadays? I feel bad for the actual artists who love creating. They're forced to create these sublime creations that are mediocre at best just because its easy money for the higher ups.
@@Elouxmari and Adrien are not both te mc
Like in Harry Potter, where the wand chooses the wizard, not the other way around
Chloe is legitimately scarier than any of the villains.
"Marinette, let me braid your hair so I can strangle you with it"
Marinella sauce you mean wait where did I get sauce from
Yeah that’s SERIOUSLY scared me!😅
Only complaint i have is that marinettes singing voice actor sounds so drastically different from the real voice actor that it just kinda ruins it and it’s heavily distracting. Marinettes voice actor can sing she’s done it in other shows like helluva boss? They had gabrials voice actor and tikkis sing. And if they cant sing they could’ve at least cast a singer that sound at least a little like the original va
IKR every time I heard marinette sing I would get whip lash- I wish they would’ve just used the og va to sing
I can understand why they didn't get Adrien's VA (I remember the Christmas special *shudder* ) but not letting Christina Vee sing is just wasted potential.
I know!! It actually really bugged me every time, especially for Marinette, because they don't even sound similar?? It kept pulling me out of the lovely music
Thank you! I wish it was more natural and musical theater style like the early 00’s Barbie movies, but nooo. Gotta be over-produced and over-auto-tuned bubblegum pop…
Ironically, I didn't have that problem. It kinda had me going the other way and wishing the singer voiced Marinette lol.
They made Gabriel an actual human being with conscience, Adrien could stand up to his father, Marinette was actually reliatable, they made her clumslyness an actual issue that i actualy felt bad for her (it was annoying but sad, in serie it was just annoying) marinette wasnt creep, the marinette crush for adrien was more believable than series, they didnt made chat noir a simp, there balance between ladybug and chat noir, in series ladybug was better and chat noir was bullied to show shes the boss, they kept repeating "stronger together", the miraculous choice from master fu made more sence, he had more personality than being wise, Gabriel finding chat noir is his son was way better than we got on the show, pretty good movie, songs were decent
Since the Peacock Miraculous doesn't exist, Adrien can stand up to his father.
@@groudonvert7286it does exist. Did you see the end of the movie?
Yea, she learn how to overcome fear and start getting better than show bc its suck and nowhere make sense.
@@Yang-who better character development in 1.5 hr than for 5 seasons (8 years)
@@zapko4415 it was somewhat strange to me that in this movie they present heroes more positive to me than 8 years series... About Gabe i'm not saying, he was much more human than his shit counterpart.
I really like the ending, not only the part that humanizez Gabriel and actually makes him realizes he's insane (unlike the show) but especially the part of the ball where they reveal their identity. Seeing Adrien smile while crying shows how much happy he is to finally knowing who the girl that saved his heart is
Gabriel from the show realized he's crazy,if he didin't he wouldn't have created the "perfect world",he would've created a mess of a world.
@@mladybug6620 fine, but it did so in the most forced and unsatisfying way possible
@@mladybug6620It wasn't very believable
Gabriel here act more like real father, who understand he fight his own child. In series he act like some sociopath, who not only like to punish his son, but doing this gladly. One of worst fictional parents.
@@chaledy8998 Ladybug still beat his ass tho,i know Adrien didin't get a chance to but we can't do anything so..
"If you haven't watched the show... don't"
Truest words have never been said
In the show, Marinette DOES see Alya trapped under a car screaming for help, and that's what makes her step up.
I'm surprised the movie missed that element.
UGH THIS. That's why I was surprised that the scene in the movie didn't feel as impactful as it was in the show, all while I completely forgot what happened in the show but I remember it has a lasting impression on me. I'm surprised not many people are talking about this.
Yes!! Especially considering that Marinette’s dad was already there. I imagine it would have been more impactful if she had first seen Alya and Nino in danger. She could have a moment of panic, where she realizes she has the ability to help them, but doesn’t know if she’s up to the task. And then, while she panics, she could have seen her dad and then she’s like “oh shit”, and then suits up, no room for hesitation.
That would be “show, don’t tell”, and would have the song feel more deserved, instead of repeating over and over how love makes her brave
@@cams.o okay but that would absolutely be so cool to see
O.m.g I was terrified from this sense in the series as a child😮
Personally I'm completely fine with that. Firstly, I find it downright annoying when movies based from shows just reuse scenes for that sweet familiarity with the fandom, whilst wasting time as it's already been seen before. Also, having Alya not be physically close to or associated with Ladybug despite studying together to have Alya suspect less of Marinette, and just makes the world seem more grand rather than reusing main side characters.
I enjoyed the movie so much more then the series. It wasn't perfect but it was more what I wanted from the show. They didn't need five seasons to tell the story when this movie does in an hour and a half.
Exactly
They didn’t have to balance twenty different plots and this is the result
Like 95% of the episodes were just some random character getting annoyed or something, getting akumatised, then ladybug and chat kicking their butt and the plot not moving at all, there were only THREE important episodes in season 1 being origins 1&2 then volpina which is arguably not important, only reason I'm putting it here is because it introduces Lila.
Eh i actually don't find it better than the show cause it felt so rushed.
@@mladybug6620 It only had an hour and a half (it should've been longer ngl). But even then it accomplished more than the 5 seasons of the series
As a Miraculous Ladybug fan, I’ve been highly anticipating this commentary.
Honestly same. One of my favorite things about Miraculous is watching the fan base lose their minds
@@skt7833same
I’ve been part of the fandom since the 3rd grade and I can definitely say I have lost my mind trying to keep with the insanity that is Miraculous 💀
Same
It is not a retelling actually; the writers told me they added poetry in motion and lighten to tell you a story. If you aren’t a fan of these type of storytelling: you will not like the movie.
And it’s within your rights to hate it; I won’t bash you for it.
For myself; I enjoyed everything this movie is: I think bias with the fact that I read deep stories.
Average readers will skip it over cause they have certain thoughts of what they perceive is good to watch. You do you, boo.
I do admit though, they actually made the Mime intimidating and serious instead of just a guy with white makeup that's meant to make people laugh
Fr. He literally had a mime gun that could actually kill someone, and Hawkmoth looked borderline insane! 😫
REAL AF they gave him a cigar too which made him way cooler, and they really had him blow shit up, like both of them mime and magician, they were causing actual chaos and it was so fun to watch
@@dontlookatme6395 Yes!! He also literally threw a grenade!
@@dontlookatme6395 I just wish, after we saw Hawk Moth akumatize the entire prison, that more villains had been active during that theme park raid, rather than most of them being religated to a montage.
The MIME OMG, gotta be honest he was the absolute highlight of the movie for me. He was just portrayed so cool
My biggest pet peeve is that they freaking switched Cristina for the music bits. It baffles me because Cristina can sing yet they place someone who goes a few octaves deeper and it snaps me out, specially when Gabe kept his (witch fair, the man is talented)
I know. Marinette drops to like a tenor range and learns vibrato
It was a bit confusing for a few moments in the movie, but I thought it might be because he thought Lou sang more beautifully and he wanted everything in the movie to be of the highest quality possible, or he simply didn't want to launch the songs in the movie with completely different singers in the English and French versions because he was the one who originally did both of them
Christina herself asked for the French actress to sing the parts in the English dub
@@kreizix And what a terrible decision that was. Lou sounds nothing like English Marinette
@@gaberobison680 It caught me off guard, but I don't think it was that terrible.
Personally I think this movie needed to be two separate movies, having the first one be about marinette growing into ladybug and the sequel be about Adrian’s relationship with Gabriel and the reveal at the end! It would have given plenty of time to build the characters and their relationships
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately, as it is everything in this movie feels so fast and rushed.
Ironically, that means it’s got the opposite problem of the show.😂
It was a good movie, and there were definitely parts that I really enjoyed, but it could’ve been so much greater if it just had the proper time/pacing.
😩It was sooo close to being perfect.
This movie has a sequel confirmed. There's a schedule between 2025-2026
@@HelenaAdams33great. Thank you.
Or they could have made the movie longer. They had time, (right)? I know some movies that last three hours and some that last for eleven. Instead, they probably felt like they needed to get it over with or they might have been stressing over some bits more than others (maybe they felt both and they at least wanted to get the animation right, and didn't expect the storyline to be that great since there is literally a LOVE SQUARE between the SAME people and that's just, "What? No.") Plus, I feel like they might have been pressured to at least have something from the original, which could have caused them to not stand up and do better, or do everything they wanted to. Plus, I kind of expected more from the beginning of the movie.
It's confirmed that this movie is part of a trilogy.
I am unironically happy with how the movie turned out. Yes, it could have been amazing. It didn't go nearly is hard in the writing as it could, and you were correct: the potential was there. So that's a shame. However, the good old Miraculous charm was there, the romance feels far more natural and less creepy (hey have actual chemistry in this) and the way they handled Gabriel was just great. I went into this expecting good looking shit, and while I didn't find any gold, I walked away with silver and I will take that.
It's similar to the series in that there's potential that isn't necessarily used but the movie just gets so much closer than the series
@@47ratsinahoodie Precisely!
So in short, both had potential to becomr better but couldn't conpletely tap into it. The only difference is that the movie was closer to the potential and had better execution.
@@tc4331 Exactly my point!
@@47ratsinahoodie the fact that a MOVIE did much better than the show(or at least loved more) really says what's the reputation of the show. Usually it's the other way around and it makes me laugh even more of how much a dumpster fire the show is
I really liked the upgraded design of Ladybug’s yo-yo, I wish the gold details on it were on the suit itself too cause it would have looked so cool!!
Maybe in a future sequel they might add that
Marinette's suit got an upgrade in the show (however long it took..) and based on the ending of the film I think their gonna try and make another, maybe more (a trilogy at best probably), so it's possible that they might upgrade her suit in the next movie and give her some gold accents then, it would look really cool so I hope they do it!
That may cost some more money on the budget, but I'm sure they will think of something.
I really don't like her suit (like you're telling me that fashion girl Mari is chill with having a skin tight polka dot suit?)
but I think the reason that they keep it is because the polka dots and tightness make it easier to animate (no loose clothing that could clip, only two colors to keep track of, and the dots make it easier to keep track of the render)
doesn't mean that I have to like it tho...
@@djmensil7303 You it’s funny you mention it could be because it was easier to animate because the show was originally going to be in a 2D anime style yet they changed it because the spots were “too hard to animate”
Flaws aside, this movie is BEAUTIFUL, visually. Like every time you switch from footage of the movie to the show, it’s like playing a ps5 game before being forced to play n64 games for the rest of your life
More like PS2 games with a much higher polygonal count on the models
major unnecessary disrespect to the n64 dang 😂
Dont you ever disrespect N64 games, for being released in the 90s they look so good, miraculous ladybud looks plastic and souless. The movie looks gorgeous tho
Speaking of PS5, how do you like the game?
“..if you’ve never watched the show….don’t.”
*Words of wisdom* 👏👏
After the movie I kinda wanna watch it even if the show sucks
Ok then.
Should I watch the movie?
@@veronica3662 yeah it’s good I enjoyed it
@@wiggleninja ok!
@@veronica3662 if you do watch it let me know if I like it :)
As someone who’s (unfortunately) seen the entire show I actually ended up really liking this film more than I thought I would - it’s visually stunning, Adrien & Marinette act more like real characters instead of one-dimensional caricatures, it didn’t draw out Hawk Moth constantly losing, it humanized Gabriel instead of keeping him a complete piece of shit like in the show, and most importantly it didn’t draw out the love square needlessly
I see a lot of complaints in the comments about the movie and yes there are definitely certain issues, but I was just so happy to have this movie, sit down, and enjoy it after season 5's ending. It was happy, I got to see what I wanted and yeah it filled in the fanfiction service that the show has taken 8 (?) years to terribly provide. Totally a win for me, rushed or not.
Us fans should be happy with quality in any form when we get it at this point (At least me personally).
The show had potential and I hope future animations learn from its mistakes. That being said the movie looks amazing!
Truly. It was such a golden, brilliant concept. I had a lot of hope for the show and was heavily invested, even more so after they started introducing the other Miraculous. Then the season 3 finale happened and all of my hopes were shattered, beaten with a sledgehammer in season 4, and at this point its like watching the Titantic going down. Sad, but inevitable.
The show still has potential,season 5 was the best so far.Thomas Astruc won't be writing the next seasons of the show anymore.
@@mladybug6620 really? I haven't watched the season yet but if Asstruc isn't coming back, I could get into it agai
@@taliablack4080 truly an experience we all had
@@pandaworld8166 Yeah,from what i heard he won't,i think Zag said it.
Okay but the ending of the movie was the most Adrinette content we’ve gotten since the series. It didn’t take 5 FREAKING SEASONS when we got one whole ass movie that actually gave them a romantic plot line. And Marinette wasn’t a freaky stalker 😂
Ikr I’m so glad that they actually learned each other’s identities and hopefully got together. Thank god Thomas Astruc had nothing to do with the movie.
A romantic plotline that's so much less satisfying than the show's plotline...
@@facebrenthe show’s plot line is literally all over the place. Atleast when it comes to the movie you can make better sense of it instead of jumping through a bunch of loops.
In the show, *no one* must know their true identities, and they mustn’t find out each other’s identities either, yet Ladybug was the one handing out all the miraculous to her classmates. Then not to mention she revealed herself to Alya, and Luka somehow knows both their secrets. But what’s stopping Ladybug from opening up to Chat Noir? Well, if they reveal themselves to each other then Chat Blanc is bound to happen, so those two can’t get a happy ending.
Marinette in the show ceases to function when she’s around Adrien, Adrien only sees her as a friend because he only has eyes for Ladybug, Ladybug could give less of a damn about Chat Noir because she’s smitten for Adrien. It’s all over the place. And yet, they’ve kissed on multiple occasions. It’s very strange.
The movie handled their dynamic way better in my opinion. Made Mari more human, gave Adrien more depth, and gave them some realistic chemistry that seems to spam between the beginning of the school year till December at the Ball, giving them a good few months of actually growing more comfortable with eachother (as their superhero counterparts and as their normal selves)
I mean not rlly? There was barely any Adrienette in the movie and they didn’t develop the Adrienette relationship that well at all imo… tho they did a great job with Ladynoir.
@@rachelgreen7935 Oh yeah they did, but I appreciate the fact they didn’t make Marinette a freaky stalker.
I think Hawkmoth's music number works. It's a fun song that gives Dr. Facilier vibes and I am here for it. Not only that, but I think the goal there was to attempt to make Gabe force himself into thinking he was having fun with it and wanted to do it. When in reality he was trying to suppress his pain and guilt
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE. It was def giving “I got friends on the other side”
I mean, the only way to be able to keep doing villanous things like that is to enjoy yourself. So forcing yourself to have fun with creating chaos is a good strategy.
I was a bit disappointed because the HawkMoth song Zag made is SO GOOD. I was expectkng something like that
I lost it when he had the top hat on!
@@strelitziamystery21 so did I
As a lighting artist, I screamed because finally someone mentioned the GOD-tier lighting in this movie. It's simply goals! Especially towards the end when you see the storm rolling in...it was beautiful!
I am surprised the writing team dared to make Marinette not perfect, as she is on the show, that adds a lot of room for growth to happen.
Also, the scenes in the montage where Adrien shows Marinette his mother, we don't get to hear them speak, but at least it is shown they are having conversations that are longer and more meaningful than what the show presented in 4 seasons.
If you think Marinette from the show is perfect a Mary sue then you need to see a doctor.Why were all the seasons where Marinette couldn't confess to Adrien about hmm?MABYE TO SHOW MARINETTE NOT BEING PERFECT..
@@mladybug6620Are you Thomas Astruc in disguise? 😭🤣 cause seriously the amount you defended the shitshow Miraculous is in the comments is kinda funny.
@@ItsInfinteChan I defend what i like,actually that's a really cool insult.And also y'all are praising Jeremy for this movie,and yeah that's cool do it he deserves it,but y'all forget that he works on the show too,and y'all ditch the show but praise the movie who basically copied the whole show but just another ending.I agree the movie is written better than the show but like it doesn't make any sense.I just hope that we'll get a good future for this show.💀💀
@@mladybug6620 How bout Marinette being a stalker and doing other shit while not getting flack for it? That's a Mary Sue behavior.
@@marshalbarachieloftheblack9697 Nope,that's called bad writing if you think she didin't get any consequences.She literally did in every finale,by becoming the guardian which caused her lots of pain and stress,bullying,losing Master fu,losing the Miraculous.Those were some really good consequences.😊
One of my favorite things this movie did was their special abilities. It really leans into the creation/destruction powers. Chat’s cataclysm absolutely destroys the Eiffel Tower (more than usual) and Ladybug doesn’t have a lucky charm and instead just repairs everything herself. It feels like such a great and creative choice they made.
It’s also something I’ve seen in multiple fics but hey, we already know the fandom has better creatives than the people working on the show.
Edit: *how did this turn into an argument about the sentimonster theory?!?!?*
Well like half of the fandom believing Adrien being a Sentimonster doesn't exist.
Yeah sure, the fans are better.
@@groudonvert7286Adrien being a sentimonster is a terrible idea.
@@groudonvert7286He is a sentimonster tho
Why is he called Chat?
@@Aka-tu6pwhow?
I believe the characters, namely Mari and Adrien, were somewhat based off their original concepts (back when the show was original aiming to be a 2d animation). This would explain why they feel/seem different than their tv series counterparts.
Its zags version so
Also there were moments who looked like the anime version, for example marinette sipping coffee or adrien and mari meeting in the library
Yeah, it felt like a good middle ground. Adrien was still kind and gentle, but also moody and serious like anime Felix, and Marinette was still shy and self conscious, but much more realistic and not as goofy, she didn't have a panic attack talking to Adrien and handled the rejection rather well.
yeah they were more like Bridgette and Felix. And it's cute.
@@Leuwon felix but less edgy lmaooo
No but Bridgette is actually a fanmade name , her name was marinette , but the fans called her that to separate both characters
“This situation is every 3rd fanfic ending”
It’s almost like the fandom is able to write good endings that the actual writers can’t
Edit: some of y’all are right, I can’t just blame the writers. Let me fix it: It’s almost like the fandom is able to write good endings that the producers won’t let the actual writers do.
Exactly thank you for this
I watched the movie (and I know who wrote it and why) but I literally thought…this is miraculous fanfiction. And it’s AMAZING!
I have seen some very interesting Fan-Made Comics.
I still can’t believe the ending of the show didn’t include Adrien. A whole in-universe year (and 8 real ones!) of hidden identities, masked confrontations, and father-son intrigue, all leading to… nothing!
I feel like this is so obvious. I cannot comprehend how it went so wrong.
@@hiiamelecktro4985 The series has an open-ending that helps for future seasons with storylines still needed to be closed.
=> good writing
The movie has a close ending with a really weird cliffhanger and no established storyline that could be continued since all of them were closed. Wouldn't be bad... if a trilogy wasn't announced.
=> bad writing.
Kinda wild how the movie has a better ending than the anticipated season 5 finale. I had no idea how starved I was for the big gabe/Adrien final confrontation until the movie did it while actually kinda humanizing Gabe while still having Adrien hold him accountable for his neglect.
Can we just talk about how shippable Marinette and Adrien are in this movie? They have soo much chemistry.
Also this version of the pairing isn't toxic. Marinette actually confesses her feelings, and isn't obsessive and possessive towards Adrien. And Adrien doesn't force himself on her after she says no. And they actually start dating!
I honestly can't see this Marinette stealing his phone, sniffing his pillows or embarrassing Lila for little to no good reason.
The entire sequence that plays before Chat Noir confesses was so adorable that it remined me of how single I am.
When they finally get together at the end, it felt like a victory and I loved it.
Haha as much as Lila deserves the hate, it was so embarrassing to watch Marinette try to publicly shame her every time
Yeah instead of the creeper girl being a f**king stalker who memorizes her victim's schedule and follows him to other continents, the movie just did a basic teenage crush arc instead. And instead of C*ck Noir continuously harassing his partner after she said no and putting dating her above literally saving lives, the movie just made him get kind of sad after being rejected instead.
Which by itself is bare minimum. But sadly leagues better than the actual show.
Wow someone who actually notices how annoying it is that chat noir keeps hitting on ladybug after she said no a million times!
The only thing i still don't understand about the movie is that the VAs for Marinette and Adrien get replaced for the songs. They're the only ones (that i could notice). It's not like their original VAs can't sing, and it's extremelly jarring to from an extremely nasal voice to one that's way deeper in tone and still act like it's the same character.
Adrien's English voice actor can't really sing, and I'm pretty sure they weren't able to get him to practice his vocals
@@0ofersIzMyCatchphrase fair enough, but that still doesn't explain Marinette. You can't really use the excuse that her VA can't sing when she does the show's intro and has her own music career.
@@iDKVibeprobs bc they want it to be a pop hit and Lou’s voice is better for that. not saying I completely agree with their decision as I was taken out of the movie every time they ended a song😂
@@duhneez2068that makes me so upset. Honestly, the first Marinette song which was the most pop-sounding one, was the one I least liked. Aside from the VA’s change (WHY DIDNT CHRISTINA SING GODDAMIT SHES GOT VOCALS), I think it would have been better if it sounded more like musical theatre. All the other songs were more musical theatre sounding, and they worked better with the story and the things that were being said (go figure). Like all the other sounds sounded like… actually songs from a musical, and not from a music video. Idk if that makes sense
@@duhneez2068I think you're right, that does make a lot of sense. Still a lil weird for a movie to do that though.
While Cristina Vee is an awesome singer, I don't know if her voice would work _as well_ as Lou's does for those songs. I do hope that Cristina Vee atleast does covers of the songs, though. That would be cool.
Despite all it's flaws, I still enjoyed the hell out of this movie, it basically gave us what the show hasn't in 8 years and more than a 100 episodes
And the funny part is: Thomas Astruc (creator of Miraculous) said this after the movie premiered in France:
"The movie gives you what you want, The show gives you what you need", plus a lot of stuff saying that he needed to extend the show as much as he can or else he would have been out of job, and that you need to be an animation industry expert and also french to understand
Basically he said a lot of bullshit because people said (and keeps saying) that the movie and Jeremy Zag did a better job with Miraculous than himq
@@omarchakrowfHahhaha
"You need to be French"?? Seriously?? I knew that Astruc was immature and racist, but that's just borderline childish bs. My animation teacher is friends with people who work at DreamWorks and Pixar, and they're not French. Idk what Astruc is trying to even say here because all I'm hearing is utter bs
It's Thomas Astruc what do you expect? He's always been terrible
Bruh he’s so bitter. The movie is ain’t perfect but it satisfied me ever since I dropped the show
What did y'all expect? This is the same man child that went talking shit about Encanto😂😂😂
Good but flawed is a perfect description, and it's still better than the series so I love it
I 100 percent agree
Lmao it's kinda sad how we're all like "the movie could've been better.... BUT it's WAAAAAY better than the show, therefore I love it." And I totally agree bcs the movie would've literally been better if they 1- had more time to flesh out the plot and characters and 2- like the video said, did it's own thing without even caring about matching some of the show's plot points (ex: Chloe basically taking screen time unnecessarily). Which- considering that the movie had like 1 hr and a half, they did amazing bcs the show has nothing on the movie despite the fact they're 5 seasons in and 8 yrs "working" on it. And like we're establishing: way better than the show, so I love it and I'm sticking with it rather than the show.
+ only thing I really hated was Plagg only being used for the fart thing mostly. He was funnier in the show. Besides that: movie > show
@@Rox7nei will be honest, i agree with you. i wish the movie could’ve been atleast 2 hours so they could flesh out the plot like you said. i also thought that it was rushed because it didn’t take long for gabriel to regret his actions.
@@Rox7neI agree. I absolutely love the movie, but I also wish it was longer so that more things were fleshed out. Definitely prefer it to the show, it reminds me of some amazing fanfics that I read.
@@jinnsra yeah I would've liked it if they developed the plot more in many parts of the story. Besides Gabriel, (who also would've been better with more screen time), I would've liked to see Adrienette developing in a scene rather than a montage. Or have more time for Chloe, Nino & Alya so their inclusion in the movie made more sense than just "they're the show's go-to bad guy and besties to the heroes"... more time for the kwamis, Plagg especially. But compared to the show? Lol it's like comparing crusty awful old bread with a yummy cake. 🤣 & the movie is definitely NOT the awful one.
"This movie is ok"
Highest praise compaired to the rest of the series.
To be honest, the movie was a lot like what I wanted the show to be. Especially when it did its own thing. I really enjoyed that w actually saw Adrian grieving his mother’s death.
I think Marinette knew Alya and Nino were on the rollercoaster since they had already said they were going. They probably could’ve had her notice to give a visual cue tho.
I do think seeing her dad in danger wouldve been better tho.
They did the franchise justice and I literally clapped at the cinema after the kiss scene. I was so happy. We’ve waited EIGHT YEARS for the reveals AND THIS GODDAMN JUSTICE OH MY GOD
the movie felt like such a love letter to fans
I'm giving the movie applause simply for changing Gabriels story line for him to come face to face with the fact that he went too far. It just makes so much more sense and it did a beautiful job showing how lost he got without his wife, but that he still loved his son enough to stop. That's all the tv show ever had to do, but ayyyye Astruc will do what he does for whatever reason.
What is the problem ? Adrien in series is very most interesting when he was become totally crazy
This movie was good, I liked the changes Zag made, but man was this movie CLUNKY. It can’t be it’s own movie because the things we need to know aren’t properly explained in this universe, and things in my opinion went far too fast, which is strange considering it’s almost two hours. It’d production value is great though, the animation is its saving grace and I’m not kidding, this movie has so many beautiful scenes in it that just melted me, but at the same time the editing could’ve had another run through. Things just happened and cuts were so abrupt it was incredibly noticeable during my first watch but hey, pretty good movie overall if you’re a fan of the show and animation as a whole. Pretty good changes overall compared to the show, but it could’ve been wrapped up a little tighter in multiple places.
Really? I showed this to my mom, and she was able to follow along.
I agree with the scenes transition. It's so abrupt.
@@ForrestFox626 no way you showed it to your mom, Darius Brown
@valhatan3907 She was curious what I was watching.
I felt that the plot moved a bit too fast, and there was a lot of singing (nearly eight songs before the halfway point).
It was also refreshing to see two straight characters who are interested in each other, on screen, at the same time, which hasn't happened in a movie in some time.
This movie was actually decent, and all we had to do was let Plagg’s character he sacrificed
With how much that lil guy carries the show as the unsung hero, he probably deserves the break here lmao.
They massacred my boy 😭💀
@@Muffinn_Cakes😂😂🐈⬛
Plagg was the only character that was worse in the movie than the show.
11:18 I actually think a really great route to take this that would have made for a fantastic arc is if the “love” Marinette had to learn was self-love. I mean, she literally has 4 different songs in the movie about how she’s unsure of herself, so I think that would have been a great pay-off.
Like, what if when Tikki tells Marinette that she needs to embrace the power of love, Marinette interprets this as romantic love, and thus comes up short, only for Tikki to tell her that in order to embrace love, you must first love yourself…
Or maybe not, idk, I’m not a professional writer, but then again, it doesn’t seem like the Miraculous writers are either.
Good idea
to be fair literally the whole fanbase has made every version of miraculous better than 5 fuckign seasons of the existing show lmfao
From making me wait 8 years and 100+ episodes for just Marinette to talk to Adrien without stuttering...the movie was a real slap in the face when they finished everything in one and a half hour. Couldn't even figure out how to react when they revealed identities 🙏🙏help
For me, my biggest pet peeve was Adrien's whole saltiness towards Ladybug rejecting him softly and the two getting together by the end. Like, I know it's Miraculous, and I know it's Adrien, and I know it's just the default way couples are portrayed in any sort of media, but it still bugs me that he doesn't even take Ladybug's call for help seriously until Plagg snapped him out of it. And I really don't like how petty he was towards her during battle.
I think it would've worked so much better, not just as a healthier example in love but also thematically with the rest of the story beats, if Adrien was like 'I respect your decision. And don't worry, nothing could stop me from appreciating the time we spend together' (cheesy, I know, but I'm just making this up on the spot) or something, especially since it would tie back into how Marionette felt like she couldn't be loved as herself in the early parts of the movie. It would've made the duo's connection feel stronger and the ending would've felt more earned cause we know that they're genuinely just a go.od match and work well together, romantic feelings or not.
Or, alternatively, they could've kept the salty-Adrien sideplot, but halfway during the battle, the two reconcile and he apologizes for being a jerk. He could briefly say how some other stuff came up to tip his mo.od just over the edge at the time (argument with his dad, Marionette's love offer was likely a big reminder for Ladybug again and maybe he could've felt guilty for rejecting her?), and he was projecting his repressed emotions onto the failed relationship between the duo. But yeah, it really just rubs me the wrong way how he was so pissy, and then by the end, he got Ladybug as a partner anyways despite never addressing his behavior.
Unrelated: Until you mentioned the dad, I literally forgot how they were setting him up in the movie TwT
Also Unrelated: My favorite scene is definitely when Ladybug and Chat Noir are sparring on the ro.oftops.
💯agree and ironically i think in early seasons in the series he initially accepts that rejection better after confessing. just that "what your boyfriends too busy" threw me off like dont do that adrien emotions in battle get ur ass beat quicker... tho the moping in bed while the citys was on fire tickled me more than it shouldve idk
As a fan. I enjoyed the movie. I think the fandom gets a bit extreme in some aspects. But I did enjoy the more grounded characters. It cut a good amount of bloat, but your critiques are very similar to the thoughts I had. The movie was too safe and could have gone further
Exactly !!
"Too safe"
Did you not watch the part where hawk moth akumatized himself and turned Paris into ruins?
@@MystE1010I think “safe” in this context refers to the way the movie handled its overall plot. Like, it doesn’t really do anything new or excel in anything, but it’s still a decent movie. It’s leagues better compared to the show though which… is good or bad depending on how you look at it lol
@@firehorn5727 On a movie of 1 hour 30 minutes you have more than 10 minutes of songs. 10 minutes that could have been used on... I don't know, developping a story and characters ? Or they could do a trilogy on Hawkmoth, instead of rushing his story in one movie (they want to do a trilogy btw).
Seeing people having so low expectations from this movie when they shit on the main series feels really strange to me.
@@groudonvert7286 Nah, I completely I agree with your points. I think the community’s perspective (mine included) is just so skewed on what “good” is because the show has just been that bad for years. I think as someone familiar with the series, I’d call the movie good relative to the show. Realistically, it’s pretty mid.
I cannot lie about this, but Gabriel’s number shifted into a “Let’s do a villain number, but slightly rip it off from Disney’s Princess and the Frog.” It really felt like they wanted to do the song “My friends on the Other Side,” but not exactly that. At least Gabriel’s actor can hit those notes sooooo well.
That high note at the end of his song got me like DAMN
Keith Silverstein's singing skills are just as fantastic as his voice acting. He also rapped in Devilman Crybaby as Mayuta.
Osmanthus wine tastes the same as I remember. But where are those who share the memory.
@@oofer9190his wife used to share memories with him
exactly what i was thinking!!
Better than the show by a ton, but it did need more time to flush certain things out. If only these people were the ones writing the actual series. I don't care about visuals. I actually LIKE the movie versions of the characters, unlike the show. The only character the show did better was plagg.
I assumed when Tikki says “protect the ones you love” Marinette thought about her parents and how if she doesn’t be Ladybug then they’ll always be exposed to potential danger. Since it kept showing how much she loves them and how much she relies on them. A flashback memory of them could have helped make it clearer.
I think the main reason they had Tom be very prominent in the movie was because they wanted to show off the parallels between him and Gabriel. Since he was a lovable father while Gabriel doesn't really give his son the time of day. It works very well and really makes it more impactful.
Also loved that Chloe wasn't throwing herself at Adrien the whole time like in the show. Marinette becoming more confident was honestly probably the best part to watch as she finally had enough guts to talk back to Chloe. Unlike the show. The movie did an amazing job to improve all the flaws that were VERY much present in the show.
I’m happy that this exists. It finally gave us the confrontation between Adrien and Gabriel.
Still can’t be Adrien wasn’t even in the finally of the show 😭
You’re absolutely right, they could have used Tom more. I never really thought about that when I watched but the fandom LOVES Tom. He’s one of the best parents ever and he just kind of disappears during the second half of the film. The juxtaposition between Marinette and her family vs. Adrien and his family has always been interesting to me and it’s actually kind of a shame the writers didn’t take advantage of that.
For the 1st time in my life, I actually liked a Miraculous media. I adore this movie, the characters are ACTUALLY characters & not like Thomas's bad writing. It has flaws yes, but I liked it (can't believe I'm saying that) well done Jeremy!
one of the biggest missed opportunities you didn't mention is how they played into marrient's love of fashion and art to represent the ladybugs power of creation and didn't do the same thing with Adrien's fencing to represent the power of destruction.
That's a cool idea.
Yeah but I think they will in the sequel
I know I wasn't meant to find it funny but I laughed so hard when Adrian's mom joined the hug. Like her spirit just hulks over them. They needed to size her down or something.
For your point with Gabriel's switch from lamenting to maniacal joy, I think it could have worked if the possession/use of the butterfly miraculous was shown to have immediate and adverse effects of the user's mental state. Sort of like The Mask. Especially since it's known to target those of deep, negative states and ultimately is associated with pure chaos, to see how he would have become this other worldly character when he first attempted to use the miraculous on the proposal-gone-wrong guy, it would have made much more sense to see him go from remorseful and scared before putting it back on to eff it, let's do this afterwards.
WHICH ACTUALLY, HOLD ON - THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT PLOT POINT AND WOULD HAVE HELPED TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OF ALL OF THEM.
If they actually used the concept of Adrien having been home schooled prior to and being very socially inept (or at least that would have made much more sense for his character), Marinette as clumsy, anxious, and unconfident, and Garbriel as his lamenting self, yet the "miraculous" gave each of them the ability to break free from those confines; Adrien could be playful and open, Marinette confident and sure, Gabriel determined and vengeful... Now, I know that's basically what ended up happening for the most part - but they never really played on that. Had it come down to Marinette getting Ladybug stripped away from her, the whole "Ladybug doesn't exist without you" lecture and her ultimately finding courage within herself as Marinette without he mask would have felt much more earned I feel.
Omigosh! Your first sentence, is EXACTLY my feelings on it. Solid beginning, a little lost halfway through, but the ENDING MAN! That alone skyrocketed the movie to the top for me. Better than the show, 10/10. Okay maybe 8/10 but still.
I watched the end of season 5 and I had so many issues with it. But the ending of this was so much more satisfying!
Like spoilers:
Adrien actually finding out that his dad was Hawkmoth. It still baffles me that the show kept Adrien in the dark and lets him remember his mentally abusive dad as a hero. Wtf.
As someone who watched season 5 ending, I like the movie ending much more. And Chloe's glow up compared to the series.
I suppose it all comes down to: "season 5 isn't supposed to be the last season of our show, so it's ending can't solve everything, otherwise the show must end". I don't really agree with this line of thought because a show can create new reasons for it to continue, instead of relying on the same old ones. I wanted a confrontation between Gabriel and Adrien, I wanted a full scale identity reveal, it was the right time! Buuuut we didn't get any on that... So sad.
I'm pretty sure Marrinette's dad was meant to get akumatized into a balloon monster in an earlier version of the script. He literally covered himself with them earlier and now was very distraught about disappointing his daughter.
But it was cut because... reasons.
Personally, I found the story to be far too clunky to enjoy (and I didn't like most songs, so that's an instant downer), but I understand why people would like it. It basically gives you everything that shows either keeps teasing, but never actually giving to you.
PS. I'm watching the English dub, so I don't know yet how the current season ends.
Gabriel felt way more human than in the series. And I liked how they showed how tired he was getting and his appearance downgrading as the movie continues
I’ve been a fan of miraculous ladybug for a long while but since S3, I’ve been increasingly frustrated with where they’ve taken the show in terms of the plot and how they’ve done a lot of the characters very dirty. The only reason why I’m still watching is because I spent the past 4 seasons watching so I might as well see how the first saga finishes.
Coming into the movie, I had no expectations at all besides really good animation and yet, I was thoroughly surprised and enjoyed the movie a lot. It wasn’t perfect, no. The songs were a bit much (though most I enjoyed) and the singing voices sounded drastically different from the speaking voices which was really jarring. The ending was rushed and we didn’t get to see Ladybug and Chat Noir fight many villains. But hot damn, I think I liked the characterization of nearly every character in the movie compared to the show besides maybe Plagg. Hawkmoth/Gabriel were way more sympathetic and I actually felt something during the final battle. The visuals were absolutely stunning especially with some of the songs.
This is probably the most fun I’ve had with any MLB media in a long while which is something I don’t think I ever thought I’d say. Just sucks that we won’t get this as a series and have to go back to whatever the fuck is going on there.
Well, the movie had only three main characters. Marinette, Adrien and Gabriel, the rest was a totally side, and it was good - it give everyone time to show who they are. I would see more fights than hear songs, but damn, with gargoyle and mime were one of best in whole franchise. The end was really rushed, but damn at least they give what propably most fans wanted to see.
I like how *most of the SANE MLB's fans* are stopped in S3. I don't know how universal this is, but many former fans of MLB I asked was indeed stopped at the end of S3 😂
@@valhatan3907 well i stopped as S3 (but it was my fav season) cuz waiting to 22 kill some of my thrill for series. But i still was in fandom, read fics and comics
@@valhatan3907I personally stopped enjoying at season 3 because of the bloated amount of super powers they were pumping, as well as Chloe’s character assassination and the peacock’s miraculous lack of screentime (which is still probably the best concept of the show)
Literally the only thing that kept me watching after season 3 was Felix.
I feel like this movie really relies on the fact that the audience is familiar with the characters and the concept.
It was like a 6/10 for me.
Fr the movie was a 6/10 animation is beautiful af but the movie had soo much potential. I feel like I would have liked this movie more if I didn't know the show.and its problems
it's a good 7.5/10 for me, the movie was brilliant in my opinion, parallels, foreshadowing, symbolic meanings, and some good character fleshing in a movie meant to summarize the show, it did well
Yeahh the movie is good it did have a couple of flaws in the writing part here and there but in fairness at least it’s miles better than the series imo
I showed this to my mom, and she followed it
That's fair. Was like a 7 for me. Wraps up the show decently.
Thanks for pointing out about Marinette's dad! He should've been rescued at the park or maybe as the key drive for Marinette's transformation to Ladybug.
I think the reason Chloe is there more is for the sake that the series really ruined her arc, did you see season 5? No more evil Chloe finally!
Also Plagg was the only big disappointment I have with movie going it's own thing..
Agree! They kinda erased plagg's personality. He is definitely a big part of the miraculous story
I only have two complaits about the movie:
1. Marinette's actual voice actor doesn't sing in the movie. She can sing but for some reason they replaced her for the songs. It is really distracting when the main character's voice chances just for the songs. I hated it.
2. We never actually see Marinette's reaction to finding out Adrien is Cat Noir. She was literally standing a few meters away from gabriel and adrien when gabriel found out so she must have found out at the same time. I was so dissapointed when we couldn't get to see her reaction as it could have had the potential to be an emotionally impactful moment.
Oh and also this one is not so much a complaint but a remark. I found the climax to be quite underwhelming but I cant exactly figure out why.
Not enough buildup... And it was too RUSHED. If you saw the initial WHITE BOARD FIGHT CONCEPT. It was Wow!!! Outstanding!! They sabotaged the movie by the 90 minutes restriction! If they only had less songs...
One thing I personally love most about this movie is the way they portray how Ladybug controls where exactly her yo-yo lands. The yo-yo redesign and sound effect is simply ethereal and gorgeous, this movie as a whole is super eye-candy
Yes, I thought that the scene where Marinette becomes Ladybug didn't carry emotional impact, but I couldn't put my finger on it until you mentioned that she didn't react to her loved ones being in danger. That was what she did in the climax instead, but my problem with that was that she wouldn't have done it without Tikki's encouragement. They showed us that Marinette has become more confident not only as her alter ego, but as herself, too. So it didn't make sense for her to start thinking that she's nothing without the mask.
That being said, I still enjoyed the movie. It did everything better than the show, not perfectly, but better.
Gabrielle is pretty good but. My hats off to Chloe's glow up.
I personally found this to be an amazing film.
The push to overcome her fears. and the Tikki saying if you want to save your loved ones you'll have to face your fears. For me it's not detracted from the scene because she didn't see anyone she loved in danger, it's because the characters sow so much chaos that her family will eventually be in danger. Sure she could run away and have it potentially not impact but if you don't become ladybug, what does the future hold for your family. Additionally, Marinette loves everyone and wants to be noticed. She's struggling against the fact that she doesn't think she can live up to everyone's vision of her. You can see this in the film as she sees everyone talking about how weird she is. She doesn't feel she can be loved by everyone or be that hero.
Gabriel jumping straight into a villain scene after showing his as compassionate. I also thought this was acceptable because he simply embraced what he had to do. Sow chaos, become evil, do anything to bring his wife back. I didn't think it was too out of place for him to jump into it.
Marinette not overcoming her clumsiness and still doubting herself at the end because she wasn't ladybug, also no problem here. Just because she became more confident doesn't mean she didn't have her doubts about her hero abilities as being Marinette. Ladybug is how she became confident, it has power that comes with the suit.
In addition to Gabrielle winning the fight. Cat Noir and Ladybug were not fighting together. It shows in the film and I think losing in that moment and getting an ending where Adrienne actually gets to have some closure in a finale is awesome. This ended with an emotional banger and that's really what the film did right. I think they pushed the emotional side of things and didn't have to spoon feed us everything.
Some things I wish they would have changed. Cat Noir and Ladybug Duet for when they found their powers. Marinette saying saying she's not the hero Tikki is looking for and Cat noir saying he can finally not be himself and instead be a hero would be an interesting dichotomy while also both gaining powers. However, both have the same internal conflicts for wanting/not wanting to be super heroes. Marinette doesn't think she can because clumsy/weird and Adrienne wanting to because he's mostly alone, no parents,/sad and wants that escape.
I really hate the direction they took Plaggs character. Just an old man with gas that hates everything.
Overall enjoyed the film and yea, I could nitpick it like in the video, but I don't think the things you mentioned detracted from story the put together.
I hated Plagg's character so much lol, he was probably the best developed character in the show (not saying much) and they destroyed him. Probably the worst part about the movie besides the jarring singing and boring songs.
I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah some of the things in this video were nitpicks, and not that big a deal really.
@demetrian8448 Well, there is another movie planned. Maybe they'll fix it in sequel
@@ForrestFox626 I really hope so, I'm not sure if they could ever completely reverse this drastic mistake though... He shall forever be gross in the movie canon lol.
I want to agree with all of your takes here but I also do feel the movie still didn't explain and hammer those points well enough hence why alot of people said the movie feels clunky but I mostly blame the rushed pacing here. It's pretty clear that this movie had to be cut down because the duration is too long. And like some people said, I think it'd be better if it were separated into 2 movies instead of 1
So glad you made a video about this movie!! The film was really good and a huge improvement from the show. But you are right that the writing falters and feels cringy in many places. Superhero origin stories are fun but Marinette definitely did not have enough of a motive to dive into it and I wish they had shown more of Chat Noir's reason for wanting to become a superhero too.
The writers always seem to put less effort into his story even though I find him a more complex and interesting character.
Honestly I liked the villain song of Gabriel because it shows his corrupted side and what the power of the miraculous does to someone who isn’t pure hearted or good intentions. After his desperation, he finally feels like he’s in control of something and use the power for himself. He can create chaos. And he chooses that to get his wife back. And he now lives for the power which consumes him. Only his son brings back his humanity and compassion. Personally I think that was the motivation
Spoilers:
I was so frustrated at certain points. Especially when Marinette spontaneously decided to be a hero after steadfastly refusing. Also I feel like Marinette kinda fell for Chat but Adrien didn’t really fall for Marinette. I reaaaally feel that needs to happen before they get together. I had a lot of other issues with it. But a lot of it was really enjoyable!
Do u mean Adrien?
@@ineedfriends2584 ah yes lmao
This franchise is just the right amount of frustrating to be fun. I really liked the changes they did to the story, to the point that every time it went back to series canon it felt like a betrayal more than anything. But now we can say that the movie got Ladybug and Chat Noir together while the series got Marinette and Adrien together and it somehow isn't the same thing.
That's what I was thinking as well. Personally, the only thing I really love about this movie is the amount of LadyNoir content. At the end of season 4 I was expecting season 5 to be full of memorable LadyNoir moments, but we got an insane amount of Adrienette instead (better than nothing, don't get me wrong, but... It's not the same)
I can't believe that the Miraculous Ladybug Franchise is still going ever since 2015. Now we actually got a movie of it on Netflix!🤩🐞
TBH , I don't think Jeremy Zag really cares if people love or hate the show or movie. As long as people watch it and the show keeps making money , that's all that really matters. The Movie is already number 1 on netflix so in his eyes , it's a success.
He definitly cares more than the show. The differences with the characters and the plot compared to the actual series show that some thought and effort was put into it. I don't think he worked to his death on it, but it's definitly not made with just money in mind
Honestly my biggest peeve with this movie is how they made Plagg a giant fart joke. Like c'mon man, why. I also wish Cristina Vee did Marinettes singing, but I got used to the jarring change of voice acting eventually and the singing sounded so good that part of me is not complaining. Overall though, I genuinely enjoyed this move. Part of that could be clouded by the contrast of how much better it is than the show though lmao
Me and my sister watched Miraculous as a guilty pleasure way back when so this was something we couldn't skip out on. When going into the movie I expected this to be the show's level of underdeveloped and bait-y but was so surprised to actually see that they did something better than the show with its characters, not to mention its visuals are stunning and breathtaking. It felt satisfying to see Marionette and Adrien get the proper development they actually deserved. While I think the writing is fairly subpar, it excelled at being better than the show which is enough for me. If you're expecting Miraculous to be this phenomenal writing piece then you will be disappointed, but it's fun if you just look at it as a silly cartoon flick.
Are you serious ? This movie is very less interesting than series
Every time I hear someone talk about pretty lighting I just feel a PNG screenshot of Murder Drones fading into existance in my brain
I'm working on my own vid about the movie, and one of my notes was that I liked how it set up Mari being awkward with her parents and then by the end having her let them drop her off at the ball, but it was weird that it wasn't used elsewhere. And you just explained it perfectly, they should've thrown in Tom being in danger at the fair, then Mari at the end letting Tom drop her off would be better because it's like she's valuing him more (for like of a better phrase ig)
For me the only things I liked about this movie are the songs and character designs. But other than that the film as a whole wasn't that great. But that's just how I feel about it anyway.
Absolutely agree. But it is fun. Like the show. Not perfect, but super fun way to spend a nice evening
I still take over the show
@@ForrestFox626 Anything is the better than the show. The standards are low here.
@ygs497 I'm a Miraculous fan, I already know that
@@ForrestFox626 Im agreeing with ya.
Adrien actually being there when Hawkmoth is defeated already means it runs laps around the show
I absolutely LOVED that we could see adrien struggle with depression/mourning. Males in media (especially media for kids) rarely do emotionally processing, and to have such representation of it in this movie was great. I also love that Marinette isnt a stalker (hate teaching the lack of boundaries to kids).The writing was decent enough, it was a bit rushed, but overall this movie is a million miles ahead of the show.
As usual, the ladybug movie had weird pacing and odd writing points. Still, I enjoy Lady and Noir’s banter much better in the movie than later ladybug episodes
Movie has a ton of flaws with pacing and musical segments are weird. Other that I like the animation, looks way better than series. Also unlike season 5 I'm glad they had Adrian be the one confronting Gabriel on his actions verses Marinette.
Didn’t know this was coming, but knew I had to watch immediately when I saw the notification. Love this channel, love the show, watched the movie yesterday, so I’m all down.
As a computer art graduate, the first thing that stood out to me was the lighting and how it makes the surface textures look. Gorgeous.
As someone who hasn't watched Miraculous in years, I was so happy to see that the movie was so good, I was glad I watched it
The best way to describe this movie is like a one of those Miraculous fan comic AUs on TH-cam that everyone watches to convince them that the show is better than it actually is.
I think the fact this movie was at least good gives me some hope that it's sequel could be great, especially if the creators see the positive response to the movie canon moving away from the show's.
If they play their cards right, we could see a Miraculous comeback and that excites me so much!
I hope the sequel will stay this way and improve to be even Better
Who here really is that surprised, this movie was mostly created under Jeremy Zag, who wrote some of the best episodes of tv and who has been mostly absent from recent series, Thomas austruck had nothing to do with this film, so all the problematic, awful writing issues were not carried over from the show.
It's too bad they felt the need to adhere to the show in the ways they did. I'd love to see Jeremy run and do the series how he wants with no regard for Thomas's feelings, just to see what it could've been
@@47ratsinahoodie I think the show would be infinitely better.
Exactly,and season 6,7 and 8 won't be written by Thomas Astruc anymore just Zag.🙏
@@mladybug6620omds really ?!? Might get back in the show
@@winifredeghrudje9427 Thomas has been claiming otherwise as of late though so I'm not entirely sure who to believe
8:35 I thought the reason there were so many moments with Tom was to show how different Marinette’s dad was to Adrien’s dad. To contrast their personalities as fathers to the main characters.
I was in a cinema to watch it and the whole room laughed when they showed long-haired Gabi 😭
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who found long-haired Gabriel fucking hilarious XD
Gosh, I dropped the show about s3, cause I got tired of the writing and romance, so I'm a little curious about the film, see what they do differently and see if it's better. I am laughing that they wrapped up the HM arc in a single movie when this show took 5 whole seasons which technically does make it better that way.
Whenever you continue, I wish your sanity and patience luck, if you wind up covering it, I look forward to hearing the sanity that is the romance of ML.
It's completely rushed in the movie. Yes it takes a bit too long in the series (mainly because season 1 and 2 are mostly fillers), but it's way too fast in the movie.
This movie accomplished more in an hour than the show did in 5 seasons. If only the show had better writing it could’ve been such a great series. The concept is already pretty cool. They just execute it horribly.
This movie had a lot of pros and cons. Overall the writing and the movie itself was much better than the show, but it still felt too rushed and stale in places.
Pros:
Animation (obviously)
Adrien NOT being a sentimonster (because that was such cheap and terrible writing)
Marinette actually being able to hold a normal conversation with Adrien without being a creepy stalker
Background characters actually looking like real people
Hawkmoth's musical number (it SLAPPED, especially that high note at the end, voice actor can SING, definitely my favorite song from the movie)
The reveal (it actually happening and being sweet instead of unnecessary drama)
Adrien being more cold and distant instead of just perfect and friendly, makes more sense with his background
Adrien's singing voice- I've seen some people complain that his voice sounds too different, but I thought it sounded pretty close and was nowhere near as off as Marinette's. For all his range, Adrien's voice actor isn't the best singer so I think the guy they chose to be his singing voice did a pretty good job and sounded more like a teenager and not a grown adult
Gabriel's working scene- him actually being in the designing place and giving orders like that one dress establish him as an actual fashion designer, because in the show all he really seemed to do was be on video calls.
Adrien standing up to his dad- It
was a very satisfying moment and felt much more gratifying than Gabriel literally controlling Adrien whenever he got out of line
Ladybug and Chat Noir feeling more equal instead of Chat Noir as the "sidekick." I actually liked that Chat Noir jokingly called Ladybug the sidekick instead because of how that's what he has become degraded to be in the show
There being only the core miraculous, and not all those extra ones that made the show just too much. Not every single classmate needs to have a miraculous.
Adrien being called a "guardian" as well instead of just Marinette
Tikki and Plagg animal forms- I like the idea that Tikki and Plagg can portray themselves as a literal ladybug and cat respectively, I think that's a really neat detail
Tikki commenting about how the times changed, how "you discovered electricity!" and "women can wear pants now!" Shows how old Tikki and the kwamis actually are.
Ladybug and Chat Noir's dynamic- Them being actual partners and Ladybug not neglecting Chat Noir. Their banter was good and I liked how it wasn't just Ladybug who influenced Chat Noir to feel free and not cold, but also Chat Noir helping Ladybug to become confident and strong as well. And the Ladynoir moments were really good.
Ladybug and Chat Noir actually taking damage, and their suits not being industructable. Also the fact that the kwamis can be out even when their holder is transformed is interesting.
Cons:
Ladybug's singing voice being way too grown up and different in pitch than Christina Vee- Don't get me wrong, the singing voice was great, but it just didn't match Marinette's and it made her musical numbers a bit hard to get through. Christina Vee is a good singer, so I really wish they would have let her sing Marinette's musical numbers instead, or at least picked someone with a higher tone of voice or someone that could sound more like Marinette's higher pitched voice
The songs- They were good, but I felt like there was just too many and it took away from the plot and caused the movie to feel more rushed than it could have been. I wish they would have made the movie more plot-based than song-based, because I feel like that would have fixed a lot of the issues the movie had.
Hawkmoth's defeat- the battle was overall too rushed and we saw too little of him, most of that due to the time skip scenes. But I did like the way he actually cared for his son and saw what he did wrong, and owning up to his crimes and facing the punishment instead of just disappearing and pretending he was a hero, Adrien never knowing.
The moment Adrien and Marinette fall for separate versions of the other feeling too rushed- Marinette saw Adrien in the library once and then "instantly fell in love", Ladybug saved Chat Noir once, not even totally purposefully, and then Chat Noir goes from thinking she's a noob to thinking she had been doing it for a long time and then "fell in love." I also wish we had more moments of Adrien and Marinette's friendship instead of the silent time skip moments, but it at least established they were friends for awhile despite their actual interactions being minimal.
Adrien's transition to Chat Noir- We saw Plagg in his cat form and then the next time we see Adrien he's already become Chat Noir, I wish we could have seen his reaction to Plagg and his newfound hero status.
Chloe hating Marinette for seemingly no reason- I wish the movie would have given an insight into why Chloe bullies Marinette and only her specifically, like some sort of motive, selfish or not. But she was just there to be rude and that was it. And another small detail, at the end she said "the bullying starts again next year" or whatever, but no one who is a bully ACTUALLY calls what they're doing bullying.
The confusion about who was new to the school- Marinette was an outcast and said she didn't have any friends, so was she the one new to that school? If not, why would everyone ignore her if they weren't mean like Chloe? Was Alya the one who was new? She met Marinette for the first time in the movie. Was Adrien new to the school like he was in the show? Nino already knew him and was friends with him, so was he new or not?
The ball at the end- it was rushed, I know the movie had to be wrapped up at that point but it was a little disappointing for it to be in the movie for like 3-5 minutes and then be over. And why was Marinette not wearing a mask if it was a masquerade ball and everyone else was??
Tikki and Marinette's dynamic- I wish Tikki and Marinette were shown to be closer and Tikki more wise, instead of her just being a bunch of cliche quotes. But their song together was cute at least.
Neutrals:
Ladybug not having a lucky charm- I like the premise of her fixing everything herself, it feels more in line with the "creation" thing instead of having some random object save the day. However, the fact that this power was only shown at the end whereas Chat Noir used cataclysm multiple times made it feel a little imbalanced, like Chat Noir had this specific ability and Ladybug was just swinging around. And it meant the other battles didn't quite make sense, because if the first time she used that ability was at the end, then how did all the other fights shown in the time skip get cleaned up??
Gabriel's backstory- him finding the miraculous as a way to save Emilie makes sense, but it also doesn't because Emilie had the peacock miraculous in the post-credit scene, so Gabriel would have had to know about the miraculous before Emilie "disappeared". Unless he and Emily had the peacock miraculous but not the butterfly one yet??
Emilie's disappearance backstory- I can't really put this as a total con, because the movie had such a short time frame, but I wish we would have had some bit about what caused her to get sick.
Tikki and Plagg being referred to as "genies" even though they were already called kwamis felt confusing and unnecessary, but it was such a small detail that it didn't really affect much.
One thing I like is that Adrian finally stood up to his old man and talked some sense into him 😊