I cant believe the court is spending so much time discussing a "Push" case, we have high rate of serious crimes but here we are spending years on a "push" case
Quite right. It’s an embarrassment and displays the country into a joke. The behaviour of Malema, the response of the police, the prolonged and operational treatment by the law, the press coverage etc. They make out that this is quite acceptable to the public. If a white policeman stops you you just give him a klap. It’s even better if there are lots of senior black military people watching at a big political event.
Mediation has to be mutual ... they say they did nothing wrong but the want to Mediation hahahaha that's funny ... jail is what the Guccie revolutionaries need
@Yothu Yindi 🤣😂 don't come get emotional here it sounds like you have an eternal victim complex bahahahahha last time I checked Ramaposa was the president and ruler of South africa ? And what are you going to do if provoked bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you are making it very clear to everyone with a logical common sense thinking brain that you are the criminals minded one hahaha 😆
An injury to one is an injury tall. I am going back to my 2014 case where I was beaten by the white police infront of my 10yrs old son, case was open , medical proof and the video...I must go and check how far is that case as I only went once in court and the white police officer was not present. But he is still working everyday
@@Oracle10500 I use to feel sorry for him because he was going to lose his job in that case. Now the way I see these White people, thinking that they are still superior,and the way they treat this case as if Venter was not rong , I am pissed off.
The function of a Supervisor is to make sure subordinates are doing the right thing if the supervisor was there and did not interfer or delayed interferring and as assumed by the prosecutor waited for the accused to approach her then the supervisor acted in support of the accused , did not see any thing wrong with their conduct.
This prosecution had a set mind, to instigate a point that the defendant is far above (intellectually & articulatively). The plaintiff simply was disgruntle & the defendants successfully rejected the violation of their rights. The end justifies the means & this case is VLAH. The prosecution has failed to establish a point she strongly wants to use during "argument". They did not go beyond protecting their rights neither did they go with a pre-occupied mind of being violent.
The are woman out there who are being abused and raped and here we are discussing a push case while there are serious cases out there that needs this type of attention, South Africa is a sad nation this has been going on for way too long
Talking Blues Venter should have called his supervisor if he felt they were not being cooperative, it shouldn't be expected of Ndlozi and Malema to do so. Venter's mistake cost him, everyone knows better to mess with Malema. Venter should be reprimanded for humiliating the two when it is clear that to get to that point they should have been cleared. I am not EFF sympathizer, Logic dictates. Mr Venter congratulations you had your moment of fame and now you are in the news, that is all you ever wanted. You are not getting a penny out of it though.
These white racists think ts still apartheid error no things have changed you can't do that venter u know u made a mistake u should have just apologised venter
The prosecution is speaking in hypotheticals. All the states arguments are hypothetical, and cannot be substituted as factual evidence. Her arguments are argumentative, the states didn’t except theRE OWN ID 🪪 GRANTED BY THE STATES ITSELF. Mr Fender was acting according to his own personal mission, and not in the capacity of an agent of the state at that instance in addition to a violation of of the constitutional rights of equal protection/consideration. Blessings and one love 🙏🇯🇲🇿🇦
vender is an agent of provocateur, why did he only single-out the EFF's vehicle while there were many vehicles going through the gate, all these cars were VIP, including that of the EFF. He was specifically waiting for the EFF's vehicle so that he can execute whatever mission he was sent to accomplish, unfortunately he failed. from my view, there is no case here, even the court can concur to that, they are just embarrassed to struck it off the roll
@@MarcusChokwe yes anyone with common sense can see this ..but by the comments not very much common sense going around.. they all seem to think talking kindly and respectfully is a choice in court too ahahaha
This lady was kind of emotional and nervous. And some statements the way she is phrasing it ain’t correct. More so l thing Ndolozi and Malema seem to be a threat to everyone even those sitting in front there
Why ask for senior while all security point was made with senior, why is she sticking on senior? She is trying to throw the ball to Ndolozi but it does not seems like working for her.
This Case should not have passed the court roll the NPA was not even supposed try it because its a clear 174, a total waste of government resources and ones time, with so much grounds of aggravating circumstances abundantly evident inferring to the emotional level at the time of the incident, the legal system off our country will require personnel who are in charge to try and approach matters at hand with the notion that we are in South Africa and not where the law principles comes from whereby with the hands of time and home ground advantage the law principles applied directly work for them timeously and fluently. we need now to have people who will hold office knowing that we are a country which is in a stage of society trying to establish peace and live by principles of democracy .after oppression. The ideal here is to try incorporate some customs and African norms in procedures and deciding mechanism by courts to help themselves to offload unnecessary indecisiveness and inconsistency we are in need of an "African element" to keep the trust of society
Their names dont have be on the program, they don't have to be a speaker that shouldn't prevent them from missing such an important events. This security guard was RUDE he should have gotten more than PUSH! who dare him!! A push! Useless judges wasting court time and tax payers money!!
Afriforums Lawyers a Pathetic if not stupid. Why can they just accept defeat. Venter intentionally blocked Ndlozi and Malema even after he recognized they had credentials and vetted. didn't
First who sand Venter to stop MALEMA and Ndlozi is a shame to SA law to intertine the nonsense since when u are going to their funeral we must be at list WHY he chosen MALEMA and Ndlozi because they are allowed people to get inside of cemetery and MALEMA he was a speaker. Venter he was silly and jajaraga
And why he choose to stop them because the is a lot of people who entered with their vehicles and no one stop them ..they are not wrong to push him away.
Their were permits issued to put in car front window to be registered to be allowed in. Or 1000 000 cars would just destroy the burial and grave yard, it must be controlled. Why Malema decided not to display his permit for the police to identify. This Venter was just trying to do his job, he better then most. You are both mamparas.
@@Enoch940 you’re fucken crazy they permit was on the dashboard of the car and besides why would a racist Venter not reason that the guys were the speakers on the funeral and surely means they’re allowed by the family to be part of the program. You’re trying so badly to justify rubbish
And he was doing hes job just because he was a with guy doing hes job yy did they employ him u no the Eff has a thing for withs soo shame full on this day
@@ColGaddafi a humiliated black? What you see there is entitled, and black arrogance. You see it in Ndlozi's smile when he answers very serious and consequential questions. "This is the new SA and Blacks are above whites". My dear friend, can I just point at thats some racist tendencies you have there. Even though the EFF is the enemy of my future, I wont call any EFF member a dog. You really want to hospitalize someone(irrespective of skin colour) for doing their job? Want to cause someone injuries because your dignity(Life!) was threatened? yup, just some more entitled black arrogance I suppose.
What I see is white arrogance not black arrogance. I see a white man, who is hellbend on exercising white supremacy and stupid racist behaviour on black ppl who are fully accredited to attend an event. Apparently he only stopped the vehicle with Malema and Ndlozi. The subtle white supremacy and racist behaviour that was allowed by Nelson fricking Mandela and now Ramafriggingphosa. This whole case is plain stupid for me. That police officer must apologise to the accused for denying access to a funeral. What an embarrassing incident for the white supremacist.
Its about Pushing.Ndlozi already admitted Guilt for Pushing.Venter had his Back towards these Accused.How can this Lawyer still Continue.She should just Focus on Ndlozi and His bad Court Behaviour.
@@krb745iza Assault is Any Physical Touch without Consent if Person feel Private Space is invaded or Treatened.Push can be Interpreted as Assault.He could Fall and get Injured.No Person should be Pushed.And Since Ndlozi is Educated Dr.He should Act Responsible and stop Jokes.This is serious.Not because of Eff but because of Dignity.
Women's when given opportunity, they think they are the Mouth of God's...#she can't think that Ndlozi proved his point which seconded. #Let her go and learn, friction and forces in Physics's.
And why Fidel has to stop them if he know that the vehicle after them is having the casket it seems that he didn't have respect to all the mourners?can Fidel not have sense of telling them let's me proof why you are not allowed to enter instead of stopping them to enter ?
![[DAY 8]: CIC @Julius_S_Malema appearing in court in the case against Afriforum. #EFFvsAfriforum](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TMqIl1oLuP4/mqdefault.jpg)
This is really nonsensical case. Our courts are being abused while many of us have cases that are important not being resolved.
Honourable Ndlozi for us, very calm and collected...
He don't disappoint when he is answering questions 🤘
😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Ndlozi I salute from zambia
@@abrahamdsilven9089😅
I cant believe the court is spending so much time discussing a "Push" case, we have high rate of serious crimes but here we are spending years on a "push" case
Just imagine
Go look up what assult is in south africa ... I hope people push you like this for the rest of your life ... you know just a push hahaha you sheeple
🤣🤣🤣
AKERE KE Venter wateng weeeh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Women 'push' everyday and it has never been a court case 😅
Do not undermine the intelligence of the eff members! Black excellence
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no wonder Africa is poor!
The way he trusts his English and the smirk he makes after says such words 😂😂😂
Ndlozi and Malema I salute you
This woman makes me think, that it only takes just a few weeks to be a lawyer
Now I understand why Zuma's case takes 20 years in court now it's 4 years with a push case
😅😅😅spot on!
It's called political protection.
. Not to difficult to figure out ...
Watching from Namibia l a fan of Ndlozi nor l am a supporter of EEF, I like the way he was answering prospector 🤘
😂🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂
That's why your land is still own by white people. Fight for Namibia. Black people are still poor.
Ndlozi is just but a super man. I love his answering technic.
Please tell me the State isn't wasting all these overstretched resources on a couple of men pushing each other, what has happened to this world😳
He's not moving bcoz you pause🤣🤣🤣
Why is he always in court? I can't see this man harming a fly.
when your enemies want to destroy you, believe they will pick on you at any point in your life
I applaud Mr Dlozi cool,calm when responding to dum questions asked by this lawyers, waste of time and resources ayii
Lady is trying her best,just going around in circles you can't win a case that way
She's trying so much shame the case is being won by the eff period
I can't believe this, This sounds like a street argument -I turn to question the way the lady is debating
Waste of state money, this could have been resolved through a mediation process.
I agree with you no need to broadcast.
Yes...jailtime!!!!
Quite right. It’s an embarrassment and displays the country into a joke. The behaviour of Malema, the response of the police, the prolonged and operational treatment by the law, the press coverage etc. They make out that this is quite acceptable to the public. If a white policeman stops you you just give him a klap. It’s even better if there are lots of senior black military people watching at a big political event.
Mediation has to be mutual ... they say they did nothing wrong but the want to Mediation hahahaha that's funny ... jail is what the Guccie revolutionaries need
@Yothu Yindi 🤣😂 don't come get emotional here it sounds like you have an eternal victim complex bahahahahha last time I checked Ramaposa was the president and ruler of South africa ? And what are you going to do if provoked bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you are making it very clear to everyone with a logical common sense thinking brain that you are the criminals minded one hahaha 😆
An injury to one is an injury tall. I am going back to my 2014 case where I was beaten by the white police infront of my 10yrs old son, case was open , medical proof and the video...I must go and check how far is that case as I only went once in court and the white police officer was not present. But he is still working everyday
Please do so. We cannot just be silent when we are abused and Whites are treated with gloves.
@@Oracle10500 I use to feel sorry for him because he was going to lose his job in that case. Now the way I see these White people, thinking that they are still superior,and the way they treat this case as if Venter was not rong , I am pissed off.
The function of a Supervisor is to make sure subordinates are doing the right thing if the supervisor was there and did not interfer or delayed interferring and as assumed by the prosecutor waited for the accused to approach her then the supervisor acted in support of the accused , did not see any thing wrong with their conduct.
This prosecution had a set mind, to instigate a point that the defendant is far above (intellectually & articulatively). The plaintiff simply was disgruntle & the defendants successfully rejected the violation of their rights. The end justifies the means & this case is VLAH. The prosecution has failed to establish a point she strongly wants to use during "argument". They did not go beyond protecting their rights neither did they go with a pre-occupied mind of being violent.
The power of the state was an issue The power of the state can't supply electricity for a court case Not so powerful
Im going to study LLB 🤣🤣🤣THIS IS entertaining.
Sounds sweet also to my ears
Trust me kunzima @LLB🤣🤣
Ndlozi said i couldn't pull him with my ears your lordship🤣🤣🤣
Da lawyer is playing mind games,keeps making assumptions dat people in heated moment would stop and ask politely,
and Dr Ndlozi is not falling 4 it .
The are woman out there who are being abused and raped and here we are discussing a push case while there are serious cases out there that needs this type of attention, South Africa is a sad nation this has been going on for way too long
Talking Blues
Venter should have called his supervisor if he felt they were not being cooperative, it shouldn't be expected of Ndlozi and Malema to do so. Venter's mistake cost him, everyone knows better to mess with Malema. Venter should be reprimanded for humiliating the two when it is clear that to get to that point they should have been cleared. I am not EFF sympathizer, Logic dictates. Mr Venter congratulations you had your moment of fame and now you are in the news, that is all you ever wanted. You are not getting a penny out of it though.
These white racists think ts still apartheid error no things have changed you can't do that venter u know u made a mistake u should have just apologised venter
Ndlozi 🤣🤣🤣🤣dealing with this lady calmly
Bahahaha he has to be calm or it's call contempt and automatically get thrown in jail 🤣😂😂😂😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣
This lady is attacking ...she is unqualified...she is wasting time and money..
The prosecution is speaking in hypotheticals. All the states arguments are hypothetical, and cannot be substituted as factual evidence. Her arguments are argumentative, the states didn’t except theRE OWN ID 🪪 GRANTED BY THE STATES ITSELF. Mr Fender was acting according to his own personal mission, and not in the capacity of an agent of the state at that instance in addition to a violation of of the constitutional rights of equal protection/consideration. Blessings and one love 🙏🇯🇲🇿🇦
Who's onus was it to call Venter's supervisor? These people don't understand who they are dealing with here😅
"Its not on a video footage, you know that"
Dr Ndlozi is a GENIUS 👍
Trying to make a fool of the court and judge
Jesus Dr Ndlozi destroying young lady. Moment of all time 😂😂 do you see someone foot? Lol she is out of questions
vender is an agent of provocateur, why did he only single-out the EFF's vehicle while there were many vehicles going through the gate, all these cars were VIP, including that of the EFF. He was specifically waiting for the EFF's vehicle so that he can execute whatever mission he was sent to accomplish, unfortunately he failed. from my view, there is no case here, even the court can concur to that, they are just embarrassed to struck it off the roll
The long arm of the law neh
🤣 the prosecutor laughed at 1:03:45. Mind games
34:00 That vee-ai-cul lol😂
It's sad some of these lawyers don't do their homework before embarrassing themselves in courts whether it's incompetence one can't tell.
Is this case heard in Cape Town?
My favourite ndlozi hahhaha super dude
Totally waste of state resources, precious time of the EFF
🤣 assult on camera ...
where do they find these lawyer omg
Special people..
Yikes
The lawyer did not have points she was challenging people who knows their rights
I am pleased that Ndlozi is dealing with the lady calmly so 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Instead of "dealing" with the case against him. The lady got enough of what she needs for his conviction.
@@MarcusChokwe yes anyone with common sense can see this ..but by the comments not very much common sense going around.. they all seem to think talking kindly and respectfully is a choice in court too ahahaha
This lady must go teach foundation phase ae 😅🤣😂🤣
O nyaka bana ba rena ba failure ko grade 1 aker Tebello😂😂😂😂
Colonel must come and clear the “who said the 2 are not allowed”
Is this woman an apprentice? It's biggars belief that this lady is allowed to work in court. How did she got there?
I feel as if the lawyer was the one who was being educated
this lawyer is just foolish
No that's not true
that is true u can spend even more then that just for what for waiting time eish
This woman is going over questions that that is answered. This is a wast of taxpayers money..
EFF is not a problem, the problem is the ruling part that didn't want to deliver and be transparent to the whole constitution
How much longer is this case going to go on for. No wonder serious cases like Zuma can take 20 years.🤣🤣
Wise words evoid EFF
This lady was kind of emotional and nervous. And some statements the way she is phrasing it ain’t correct. More so l thing Ndolozi and Malema seem to be a threat to everyone even those sitting in front there
Leave these fighters alone they need to fight for their rights.
What is this nonsense "asking for a senior" crap ?
More of a witch hunt, this lady is the pits. Kak
Hectic
Hi malema and ndlozi Repent by looking deep into your hearts for God loves everyone He does not the polluted words out of the mouths Repent .
Black and white
Why ask for senior while all security point was made with senior, why is she sticking on senior? She is trying to throw the ball to Ndolozi but it does not seems like working for her.
Hahaha I see now ndlozi and Malema are right they must push him go away from the vehicle coz he was blocking them
😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
Venter was fulfilling a mandate of Afriform, not the one of SAPS.
No haai being a lawyer is somehow,u end up clapping hands to push your story😂😂😂😂😂
This Case should not have passed the court roll the NPA was not even supposed try it because its a clear 174, a total waste of government resources and ones time, with so much grounds of aggravating circumstances abundantly evident inferring to the emotional level at the time of the incident, the legal system off our country will require personnel who are in charge to try and approach matters at hand with the notion that we are in South Africa and not where the law principles comes from whereby with the hands of time and home ground advantage the law principles applied directly work for them timeously and fluently. we need now to have people who will hold office knowing that we are a country which is in a stage of society trying to establish peace and live by principles of democracy .after oppression. The ideal here is to try incorporate some customs and African norms in procedures and deciding mechanism by courts to help themselves to offload unnecessary indecisiveness and inconsistency we are in need of an "African element" to keep the trust of society
yoh so this case is over a 'push'😅
Just fine the 2 of them for assualting the dude and move on.
We are tiyed of this maburu sheem we are tiyed stop this noncence yooo
Pull - Pushed
Their names dont have be on the program, they don't have to be a speaker that shouldn't prevent them from missing such an important events. This security guard was RUDE he should have gotten more than PUSH! who dare him!! A push! Useless judges wasting court time and tax payers money!!
Lawyers are useless sometimes..... Can they just let them go.....its a complete waste of time....push push push back my foot
Venter was like tackling everyone like in a rugby match 🤣🤣🤣😅
Hesesss 😂🤣😂🤣 Venter o na le Anger issues mahn
@@MissTeeDOTMHG 🤣🤣🤣🤣a huge racist
he even tackled the windscreen..what a bully
It was a push push🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Afriforums Lawyers a Pathetic if not stupid. Why can they just accept defeat.
Venter intentionally blocked Ndlozi and Malema even after he recognized they had credentials and vetted.
didn't
This case is a waste of state resources
First who sand Venter to stop MALEMA and Ndlozi is a shame to SA law to intertine the nonsense since when u are going to their funeral we must be at list WHY he chosen MALEMA and Ndlozi because they are allowed people to get inside of cemetery and MALEMA he was a speaker. Venter he was silly and jajaraga
And why he choose to stop them because the is a lot of people who entered with their vehicles and no one stop them ..they are not wrong to push him away.
Their were permits issued to put in car front window to be registered to be allowed in. Or 1000 000 cars would just destroy the burial and grave yard, it must be controlled. Why Malema decided not to display his permit for the police to identify. This Venter was just trying to do his job, he better then most. You are both mamparas.
@@Enoch940 you’re fucken crazy they permit was on the dashboard of the car and besides why would a racist Venter not reason that the guys were the speakers on the funeral and surely means they’re allowed by the family to be part of the program. You’re trying so badly to justify rubbish
If we are mampara wena who are u becouse knowing better than us .?
@@Enoch940 the permit was displayed chief
Playing with resources. Why troubling Eff pple
The prosecutor can ask useless questions yerrrrr 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
We hat type of thugs are these
Hhh what a joke please wasting time they need to face the low
Have you faced yours since you settled in Africa?
Law madam law. Not low
And......can someone explain to me.... what is a ''V-HYCLE''.. hahaha
SA Will need s healing for years because of number 1 and 2
Smart guys 😂🤨
Maak julle die sak klaar, julle mors staat geld man nie
Otlora makopo ago
Ngabe babopha umuntu lona owatholakala nemali e farm ba busy babhedela EFF
Ngeke bakwenze lokho icebo labo ukubulala i EFF kanti bamosha isikhathi
And he was doing hes job just because he was a with guy doing hes job yy did they employ him u no the Eff has a thing for withs soo shame full on this day
No he didn't block all cars. If he was then he would have called for back up
Cross examination is a skill...
"My life was in danger" "Your Life?" "Yes because my dignity is my life" What a joke
Joke to you
Joke? How long shall black be humiliated to such extent while the perpetrators walk free? I could have put that dog in hospital.
@@ColGaddafi a humiliated black? What you see there is entitled, and black arrogance. You see it in Ndlozi's smile when he answers very serious and consequential questions. "This is the new SA and Blacks are above whites".
My dear friend, can I just point at thats some racist tendencies you have there. Even though the EFF is the enemy of my future, I wont call any EFF member a dog. You really want to hospitalize someone(irrespective of skin colour) for doing their job? Want to cause someone injuries because your dignity(Life!) was threatened? yup, just some more entitled black arrogance I suppose.
What I see is white arrogance not black arrogance. I see a white man, who is hellbend on exercising white supremacy and stupid racist behaviour on black ppl who are fully accredited to attend an event. Apparently he only stopped the vehicle with Malema and Ndlozi. The subtle white supremacy and racist behaviour that was allowed by Nelson fricking Mandela and now Ramafriggingphosa. This whole case is plain stupid for me. That police officer must apologise to the accused for denying access to a funeral. What an embarrassing incident for the white supremacist.
Its about Pushing.Ndlozi already admitted Guilt for Pushing.Venter had his Back towards these Accused.How can this Lawyer still Continue.She should just Focus on Ndlozi and His bad Court Behaviour.
The charge is assault, pushing does not equal assault. He admitted to pushing, not assault.
@@krb745iza Assault is Any Physical Touch without Consent if Person feel Private Space is invaded or Treatened.Push can be Interpreted as Assault.He could Fall and get Injured.No Person should be Pushed.And Since Ndlozi is Educated Dr.He should Act Responsible and stop Jokes.This is serious.Not because of Eff but because of Dignity.
There is nothing here. Touching someone and pushing them away can never be assault. It's a stretch. The officer acted unlawfully.
Did she almost agree with DR. ndlozi at 39:09 ? Nice come back
Mr Ndlozi is correct even if it was me you won't stop me going to mourn my loved one you might be joking!
Women's when given opportunity, they think they are the Mouth of God's...#she can't think that Ndlozi proved his point which seconded.
#Let her go and learn, friction and forces in Physics's.
These two rascals deserves jail time....i wonder why loose mpofu is not representing them
And why Fidel has to stop them if he know that the vehicle after them is having the casket it seems that he didn't have respect to all the mourners?can Fidel not have sense of telling them let's me proof why you are not allowed to enter instead of stopping them to enter ?
Ndlozi though