I'm 22 I've always been a street sport touring rider (S1000XR, KTM 1290 SDGT) but I've recently had an 890 Adventure and Africa Twin for a longer period each, and tried some light off roading, and damn it's addictive... Shit can go wrong much quicker than on the road, but that makes success all the more satisfying. This is something that's always in the back of my head though.
@@MrD-moto Even just going on local trails and ending up on a random bridge over a reservoir in a valley surrounded by pine trees and going "huh... never knew this was here"
I've got a 2006DRZ with a fair amount of mods, and a 2011 DL650 with a LOT of mods. I am very careful where I go with the DL as the 500 lbs. is liable to pin me to the ground and the only way I'm going to be found is the buzzards circling. I've considered carrying a flare gun for last ditch signalling for help.
@@MrShrimpy72 You get a lot for the cost of the thing, and it can be improved for minimal cost. AND...you can pick it up when you fall over. It isn't as fast as a speeding bullet and won't leap tall buildings with a single bound nor is it more powerful than a locomotive, but again, it's a big bang for the buck.
This video should be a mandatory watch before buying a big ADV. Bought a 2018 Tiger 1200 XCa about 3 weeks ago. I knew from the start I'd ride it 99% onroad, but was looking forward to take it on a small trail. I changed my mind a few days ago, when I crashed it on a slippery paved road. It was a fairly slow speed crash, so the bike is perfectly fine (bless the crashbars), but I hurt my right knee in the process. I can only imagine the damage on both me and the Tiger had it been at a faster pace or in more technical terrain. Definitly not considering riding it offroad anymore... until I get proper training that is.
3 cylinder bike are not very good at putting traction on rear wheel. That's why adv bike have 2 cylinders at 270°crank. It let the rear tire recover grip. Ryan from fortnine channel explain it in the super tenere 1200. review
I only ever ride with full body armour,knee protectors,enduro boots,and thats on a crf300l ,years of riding off road,trust me its too dangerous otherwise.
An observation is that the majority of riders appear to be riding bikes to big for their age or physical condition. I am 64 but ride a smaller DRZ 400 and work out.
Agree, but I think it’s less the age than physical condition. Riding offroad is always physical and mentally very demanding. Most of the riders there should get a second wheelset with proper offroad tires…
I still am fond of my yz250. A bit hot, but got anywhere. A light rocket. Basicly, older xr or xl500's are good to handle too. Did not have any complaints about my xt600 either.
Thanks for the video, it was quite entertaining. I’m a new adv rider at 49 years who’s just bought a T7, fortunately I grew up racing motox and enduro and have got some decent skills off road. I just did a week riding the TET in France and enjoyed every minute
I'm 54 and recently bought a T7. I've always rode KTM XC 's offroad. The T7 is designed for fire roads, highway, gravel etc . I see alot of people trying to do single track or narly offroad . That's not what it was designed for . To damn heavy.
Adventure riding and trail riding are very different beasts. It does seem that many confuse the types of tracks which are better suited to the larger size "adventure" bikes
@@onerider808yes the physics are the same but much easier to handle the more rugged terrain on something that doesn't weigh over 200kg .I'd go dual sport over a big adventure bike as it would be better suited for the more rough trail oriented looking terrain .each to their own I guess
The only thing this compilation lacks is a guy on a WR250 just going full send next to struggling GS and picking the bike like a bicycle each time he drops it.
220 kg plus ADV bikes are a handful for us mortals ! I can manage my 690 but anything bigger gives me consistent grief! I rode a Husky 501 through the Snowy Mtns and it was pure bliss. Felt like a mini bike on steroids! Offs are all part of the fun until you get injured and then it all becomes a massive pain! The RideADV blu crew are the best - it always pays to ride in a group with professional assistance nearby if needed. I I love my RideADV rides !
I recently did an ADV weekend with Jean Pierre Goy school (legendary stuntman!) on my 2018 ATAS. Big and top heavy, he taught us that a lot of ADV riders make the mistake of standing too often. Learning to really displace your body from one side of the bike to the other makes a massive positive difference to these big ADV’s without needing to stand on the pegs all the time.
Standing on the pegs is the only way to ride offroad; it places the weight squarely on the center of gravity, and allows control and maneuvers not possible while seated.
@@onerider808 Nonsense, there's spots where standing is better and spots where sitting is fine. Yeah you have more control when standing but you don't need it anywhere. Some stuff is actually easier when sitting, like tight cornering. How do I know this ? By riding motocross and enduro for more than 30 years and by doing training days with very experienced riders/trainers.
What I thought during the whole video : the Bike's just too fat for an average rider to do all of this. I mostly ride old 650 thumpers and with not much talent and consistently mediocre tires I get by in this type of terrain.
I’m 76 and I own a BMW 750GS. I take it on gravel and sandy roads here in the desert and it has always performed well. My skill level still does not match everything this motorcycle can do, but I am constantly improving. I PRACTICE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK on difficult sandy terrain, and I know my present limitations. I would never take it on muddy and/or narrow technical tracks without being confident of my skill level. An adventure bike can do almost anything in the right hands, but not everyone who owns one has the commensurate skill.
A gutsy move to publish your crashes mate so thanks! It illustrates how easy it is for things to go pear shaped! I've got an 850GS too and as I'm in my mid 70's I stick to the bitumen, gravel farm and tame dirt roads and ride my little 250cc dual sport for the trickier stuff. I also carry rope w/ bloc and tackle to winch my bike out of a ditch if I really stuff up. Last tumble, I tore a hamstring and had to wait for help to lift my bike, and rode home for 2 hrs in a lot of pain. Sadly, us old blokes don't bounce like we did when we were young ...
I’m 68 always ridden touring bikes ST 1300s etc wanted a change but wondering if this is a bridge too far! I’m still working a 40 hour week (vocational) so not sure I can afford the healing time. Brilliant video really appreciate it. I think I will stick to on road but maybe try a Venture training weekend to see if I can get it out of my system under the eyes of those who will know my limits better than me. AGAIN MASSIVE THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
I owned a GS1200 for last 10 years... I never had any off road experience, and it was always scary to take that big beast to off-road. So I bought a KLX300 practicing every weeks on trails.. my confidence level getting better week by week. ONE MUST HAVE SOME off road experience before you buy these heavy motorcycles.. thats my thoughts, and PRACTICE.. PRACTICE... again PRACTICE..
I appreciate you putting together this video, the helmet cams and technical details are just surreal, I enjoy the lack of commentary which enhances the professionalism of the film, focus on the learning points. Its good motivation for me as I am on the cusp of deciding to take my big bike license in Singapore after 20 years of scootering :)
A small bike (like the Honda 250) is much easier to control and ride offroad. 1. You can reach the ground with your feet. 2. When the bike starts to fall over you can "catch it" and stop the fall. 3. If the bike does fall, it is easier to stand up. 4. In a sticky situation you can walk it or move much easier. 5. In sand, remember to turn off the "street mode" where spinning the rear tire is blocked. Little bike doesn't have this problem. I have a "big bike" (KTM 890 ADV R) and a little bike (Honda 250 Rally). Of course freeway or tarmac trips I prefer the "big bike". Single track/tough road I prefer the "little bike". There is a reason motocross and enduro bikes are light. Just my observations and opinions!
These are capable machines but also heavy ones. We had to keep momentum all times, because if we don’t weight catches you hardly!😎✌️✌️ Nice work and video
I don't agree, especially not in this specific example, the 890 ADV R is a beast of a bike. Can do almost, aaalmooosttt anything a dirtbike can, BUT the CRF250 imo is a very very tall bike for what it is, doesn't matter that it's only 150kg if I can't get a full foot flat. The 890 with a low seat I can flat foot comfortably and with the low fuel tanks unless I seriously loose grip on my footing, is impossible to drop, it's so easy to keep upright. I can comfortable hold the bike at an almost 45° angle and bring it back up without any issues.
@@AntaresSQ01 890 weights 210kg, 250cc dirt bike weights 100kg. Big adventure bikes can’t do half of the stuff dirt bikes can… I mean I great rider can ride adv bike on trails, but 99% adv riders are not good riders.
@KapitanPisoar1 a 250 dirt bike is maaaybe a 110 kg, a crf250 rally is more like 150-160kg not all that much less than an 890 and definitely not less enough to make the weight be a worthwhile tradeoff.
I appreciate this video. Its like I have a collage of my best crashes to watch😊. Its crazy how easy/fast they happen, isn't it. I'm on a mighty KLR 650 and I'm learning my limits but I'm hopeful of getting better. It sure is fun adventuring, isn't it. Some of your videos are helpful skill wise and they're all enjoyable. Best of luck to you in your journey!
I own a GS & have used it extensively off road on easy tracks. There just comes a time that the Husky dual sport makes way more sense & is much less, likely hurt you when it lands on you.
Brilliant video. I'm 64 and just about to set off for a 2 day Honda off-road experience before coming back to ride my new T7 off-road. I wonder how many of these slight mishaps I will duplicate. It just has to be done!😁
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing. I'm 60 and I sold all my adventure bikes. I had a lumbar discectomy a year ago and my doctor told to avoid lifting heavy objects. Well, I couldn't give up riding completely but I did go lighter, a lot lighter. My bikes of choice for riding from lightest to heaviest are: an eMTB (electric mountain bike) about 24kg, a Surron Ultra Bee 85kg, and a Surron Storm Bee 132kg. For really technical off-roading, I'll take the eMTB or the Ultra Bee. For hard-packed off-road, I'll take the Storm Bee. I fall off a lot - well, really they are tip-overs on steep side hills. Probably 0-4 times each ride. So I'm no stranger to the kind of falls that are in the video but they are generally drama free because the bikes are light and so neither I nor the bike are worse for wear. Also, I ride alone so I can't get help unless I walk out. That wouldn't be great. I live off-road so I don't often ride on paved roads at all. For long distance, I'll take my 4WD pickup truck and sometimes take a bike in the bed.
@@paulsimpson8990 It's tremendous fun. I rode for 10 days from my wife's yurt camp this summer. I climbed loads of mountains and could return to camp to recharge, either from my diesel pickup or the solar system at the camp. I couldn't take my bigger e-bikes due to limited capacity of my truck all the camping equipment we took. It didn't bother me at all. My eMTB allows me to climb slopes I probably wouldn't be able to climb and cover more distance.
Those BMWs may look cool to you, but it's actually a nobby mistake to get one. You start with the most technically challenging ones, in stead of being smart and humble and getting a beginner bike.
Great video showing real world situations where average adventure riders come unstuck. From the footage most looked to be novice off-road riders, hampered by heavy bikes with more road based tyres. At 4:47 you can hear the ABS modulating on the loose, rough surface. This is common on big, heavy bikes when trying to slow down descending hills. It is very un-nerving squeezing the brakes and having the bike not slow down. Having ABS turned OFF, will help the bike stop in a shorter distance on loose surfaces, but most bikes only let you turn off the rear ABS. Riding a bike that you can't physically pick up yourself is a recipe for disaster as it looks like you found out yourself... the hard way. This video should be recommended viewing for people wanting to start adventure riding when considering which bike to choose for their first off-road bike. The BMW GS 850 is 100kg heavier than a CRF300 Rally. That makes a huge difference off road when gaining skills and confidence.
In those sand course’s definitely have to be in 2nd or 3rd gear at a steady and good speed, don’t slow down or that front tire will bite in the sand and down you go, from living in Arizona I’ve learned the hard way, I still go down now & then but not nearly as much, I’ve learned from riders that are much more experienced than me that have taught me those skills. Have to be comfortable being uncomfortable
My Triumph weights 336 pounds, makes a lot of difference when you're an old git. You might be able to hold your BM up on tarmac with a light dab, but can you on sand?
Thank you Steve....I'm an 59old beginner, Northern Germany. Want to start ADV-riding and looking for a bike. Before buying, I had my first 2days-offroad beginners training 6 weeks ago. Rented a T7 there, the smallest available (most bikes to rent were 1300GS). The training went ok for me, but sometimes, it was like riding rodeo, like some people in your video did. An instructor wanted to convince me to buy a 1300GS. Yes for sure, we as older riders can afford buying a GS, complete BMW gear and tons off trainings and put 30K on the table. Never ever. This is all about marketing. They sell dreams and trigger our ego. As you mentioned, mental and physical fitness is needed. Otherwise, you need a good health insurance and medical support. For me, I don't want to struggle with the bike, I want to struggle with the adventure. Therefore I'm about to buy a CRF300Rally. That's my way. Light is right. And my ego? I'm above it. Once again. Thanks for the video...
Wonderful to hear from you. Off-road is a great adventure. You might like this video too. Cheers…..Older rider - First ADV bike - 3 years later th-cam.com/video/qesDXs7UsSE/w-d-xo.html
I'm seeing a lot of gray haired guys in these adventure motorcycle videos. As a white haired guy (I need to update my youtube name!) I applaud them for getting out there. My parents' generation would have been aghast at this sort of behavior at their age. But an observation seems in order. These big adventure bikes are built for drops and minor crashes, but many of the riders are not in the necessary physical shape to roll with these crashes as evidenced by their waistlines. If you are not in top shape and have not been doing high impact exercises or sports or work that has been testing your joints, bones and cartilage for many years, you are at risk of injuries that are more severe than the same drop or fall 30 years earlier. It's one thing to ride dirt and gravel roads. It's entirely different doing single track, fording streams with slippery, loose rocks or climbing steep embankments. Falling is part of the sport. What happens after the fall can vary depending on what shape you are in.
I still miss my AT but I sure as s__t sticks to shoes don't miss picking it up. I'm expecting to be able to do some very similar drops on the 450MT when I eventually get it.
Good on ya mates, for learning how to ride your heavy adventure bikes more capably off-road and your honesty in showing these thrills and spills 😅 Thanks to some lingering piriformis/sciatica and being somewhat vertically challenged (@5'7") I'm almost limited to a Honda XR150L, which means about a maximum cruising speed of 90km/h on the tar, with plenty of butt resting but on the positive side, hardly any falls or put-downs when the going gets tough, due to my feet being able to reach the ground on non-level surfaces - which seems to be the main culprit.
This is why I sold my F800 GS and bought myself the KTM 390 Adventure, much easier to handle and very light and nimble. I am really enjoying my little 390. Awesome video!
Growing up on dirt on a DT125, now riding sports bikes, at 56 I'm considering an adv bike. However, looking at this, I'm reconsidering my thoughts of buying a new F900GS and sending it bush. Some of these offs appear to be on what appear to be very easy tracks, so no doubt it's much harder with all that weight. Time for a rethink!
G’day, many of these falls were on level 1 basic training. Watch this one. Cheers. Older rider - First ADV bike - 3 years later th-cam.com/video/qesDXs7UsSE/w-d-xo.html
A bunch of guys (who can't ride!) with all the kit, on brand new BMW'S, crashing on the simplest obstacles.. pretty much sums up the whole ADV scene ;) I prefer crashing my WR450 in my backyard, practicing wheelies... lol
@@brettstone6885 Put a top class rider on a big adventure bike and the same rider on a quality 450 to 700 over really tough terrain, that rider is going to go faster and quicker on the 450 to 700 thats just a fact. If you are riding dirt roads and bitumen across Australia or Africa or USA carrying 100 kgs of luggage plus rider a big adventure bike is the choice for most.
I rode east coast enduros back in the 70s on my first enduro bike, a husqvarna 360 8sp and in hindsight, it was too big for the New Jersey sand, cranberry bogs and whooped out fire roads. 12 years ago I’d did a Rawhyde adventure ride out into the desert with lots of nice Jeep trails. Most of the guys opted for the big BMW GSs and at 500+ lbs, they’re a handful. I rode one of the new 800. This video seems to have a lot of senior riders showing how not to ride their “menopause” hot rods. At 77 I’ve quit riding enduros and most dirt events because I know my limitations.
Good to see them all standing up on the foot pegs, obviously been to adventure school, I went for a ride with a whole lot of adventure bikes once, I love my XR600 even more now
the only way id have one of these big adv bikes is if i had it for on road touring. biggest bike id even consider is a tiger 900 and even that is pushing it. im starting on a klr650 but will probably upgrade to either the kove 450 rally street edition (once we get longevity reports in) or the tenere 700.
Ténéré 700 hits the scales at 452 lbs, Transalp 750 clocks in around 458 lbs, KLR gen 3 around 387 lbs and KTM 690 a mere 330 lbs... The DRZ400 weighs only 275 lbs, comparing that to the 1250 gs that is almost 600 lbs. Pick something lighter if you're at the age where you're going for prostate checks XD
Having totaled my F800gs, my new ADV Bike is a WR250. When I do have the occasional get off, the scratches that were already there, just get a little deeper. Pick it up, ride & repeat - zero drama & tons of fun!
I'm almost fifty years old, and this is my second year riding motorcycles. Does the bike's weight matter? Absolutely! Heavier bikes are more challenging. But if you practice, practice, and then practice some more slow-speed figure eights (it took me about four months of constant practicing), you will teach your brain to instinctively throttle up gently when you feel like falling. You will also teach your brain to shift your weight on the bike to counterbalance without realizing that you are doing it: riding the motorcycle on uneven terrain becomes like walking or running. I have a DDX, and after practicing on a parking lot for four months, I rode a GS 1250 all over backcountry roads in Costa Rica for a month. That was my first time off-roading. I didn't fall once. Thank you to all the TH-cam motorcycle channels that taught me how to balance the clutch!
All the 2 wheel geniuses telling everyone what bike to get. Its not about just get a dirt bike to ride off road. Its about being able to ride a 500 lb adventure bike off road. Ive road my whole life but since i got an adventure bike its all completely new again. Its like being 10 years old and riding those old mid 70s Kawasaki 100s. Back in the seat and float the front tire everywhere. So heavy when you stop it immediately digs a hole. Front end washing out constantly and back end nothing but squirrelly. Its awesome
Some might agree with you, I certainly wished I had started when I was much younger than I am now, in the UK the average off road rider must be about 50 lol, but we have a laugh and enjoy the challenge, never let age or the weather stop you from doing what you want... with age comes wisdom, maybe 😂
I bought an 1150GS new when I was stationed out in Hawaii in 2003, loved that bike. Rode it out to Kahuku motocross park and took it on a couple easier trails, definitely not something I would recommend doing with such a big bike. Forest roads and whatnot, it was lots of fun and long trips on tarmac, again a great bike. It the one bike I regret selling.
Great video. The sounds of the engine as the bike falls, the second of silence as you process what you did. Then the realisation you have to get the bastard upright again. Terrible feeling if you're alone!
I was told to stay on top of bike don't let it fall on you. 66% of motorcycle injuries are the ankle from bike falling on rider. Been looking for sandy dirt roads to ride on before riding 2 tracks up north. Plenty of dirt roads but not many have sand traps. Moved up from my old 360 enduro to adv bike. The horsepower is taking some getting used too.
This is why , at 65, I bought a 1250 GS, and I'm not taking it off road. I'd have gladly done these types of roads and trails, 35 years ago on my Honda XR 350
After watching the video, I now have a better understanding of how not to ride an ADV Bike on the trail. Is crashing par for the course or just part of the adventure?
G’day it’s all part of the journey even the experts start at zero. Most of us on these training courses bought our first off road bikes later in life. That was my experience cheers
I had the 850GSA, and it was totally the opposite of the 850GS!!!! The GSA was top heavy and a few months later, I ditched it. Sold and went back to the GS12, which is easier to maneuver. Last week i had the chance to ride the Tenere 700 offroad and I am hooked!!!
All middle aged riders thinking of buying a large adventure bike need to watch this first! 😂
Yeah and my other video “ Older riders first ADV bike” cheers
I'm 22 I've always been a street sport touring rider (S1000XR, KTM 1290 SDGT) but I've recently had an 890 Adventure and Africa Twin for a longer period each, and tried some light off roading, and damn it's addictive... Shit can go wrong much quicker than on the road, but that makes success all the more satisfying. This is something that's always in the back of my head though.
@@AntaresSQ01 A combination of technical challenges of riding off-road surrounded by the natural world is the big attraction for sure.
@@MrD-moto Even just going on local trails and ending up on a random bridge over a reservoir in a valley surrounded by pine trees and going "huh... never knew this was here"
All weak, inexperienced middle aged riders...
about 80 more reasons to love my DRZ400, and to be grateful I did not buy a 500lb+ bike for the dirt.
I detached a bicep pulling my DRZ out of a wash 😳
100%
Glad I bought the Beta 500RRS
I've got a 2006DRZ with a fair amount of mods, and a 2011 DL650 with a LOT of mods. I am very careful where I go with the DL as the 500 lbs. is liable to pin me to the ground and the only way I'm going to be found is the buzzards circling. I've considered carrying a flare gun for last ditch signalling for help.
Seriously how good is the DRZ.
@@MrShrimpy72 You get a lot for the cost of the thing, and it can be improved for minimal cost. AND...you can pick it up when you fall over. It isn't as fast as a speeding bullet and won't leap tall buildings with a single bound nor is it more powerful than a locomotive, but again, it's a big bang for the buck.
This video should be a mandatory watch before buying a big ADV. Bought a 2018 Tiger 1200 XCa about 3 weeks ago. I knew from the start I'd ride it 99% onroad, but was looking forward to take it on a small trail. I changed my mind a few days ago, when I crashed it on a slippery paved road. It was a fairly slow speed crash, so the bike is perfectly fine (bless the crashbars), but I hurt my right knee in the process. I can only imagine the damage on both me and the Tiger had it been at a faster pace or in more technical terrain. Definitly not considering riding it offroad anymore... until I get proper training that is.
Yeah, we need the training, cheers
3 cylinder bike are not very good at putting traction on rear wheel. That's why adv bike have 2 cylinders at 270°crank. It let the rear tire recover grip. Ryan from fortnine channel explain it in the super tenere 1200. review
unless you have dirt tires you can crash easy in light terrain
get 250/300cc to do the offroading
I only ever ride with full body armour,knee protectors,enduro boots,and thats on a crf300l ,years of riding off road,trust me its too dangerous otherwise.
An observation is that the majority of riders appear to be riding bikes to big for their age or physical condition. I am 64 but ride a smaller DRZ 400 and work out.
th-cam.com/video/am92p6ge210/w-d-xo.html
Agree, but I think it’s less the age than physical condition. Riding offroad is always physical and mentally very demanding.
Most of the riders there should get a second wheelset with proper offroad tires…
I still am fond of my yz250. A bit hot, but got anywhere. A light rocket.
Basicly, older xr or xl500's are good to handle too.
Did not have any complaints about my xt600 either.
There's something just beautiful about seeing old geezers on adv bikes take the most idiotic dives ever. Keep it up!
The first rule they should teach in an off-road course for big ADV bikes should be *"Never go off-road with a big ADV bike!"* 😁
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love my 790 off-road. desert, singletrail, gravel. of course it is more work but power sliding or jumping logs with a 790 its awesome xD
But big bikes are more manly
Most are too exhausted to hold up 200 kg bike on flat terrain off-road is worse
yep, adv bikes are just road bikes with long travel suspension.
(successful) marketing ploy.
I love how, time and time again, when someone falls, it's the bike that gets first attention 😀
Thanks for the video, it was quite entertaining. I’m a new adv rider at 49 years who’s just bought a T7, fortunately I grew up racing motox and enduro and have got some decent skills off road. I just did a week riding the TET in France and enjoyed every minute
Thanks for sharing! Cheers
I'm 54 and recently bought a T7. I've always rode KTM XC 's offroad. The T7 is designed for fire roads, highway, gravel etc . I see alot of people trying to do single track or narly offroad . That's not what it was designed for . To damn heavy.
Experience is definitely the key to handling one of these offroad.
Yeah these guys are noobs
Adventure riding and trail riding are very different beasts. It does seem that many confuse the types of tracks which are better suited to the larger size "adventure" bikes
do you mean roads without dirt...? Going off road you can find all different kind of circumstances which can change because of the weather.
The principles and physics of riding remain the same.
@@onerider808yes the physics are the same but much easier to handle the more rugged terrain on something that doesn't weigh over 200kg .I'd go dual sport over a big adventure bike as it would be better suited for the more rough trail oriented looking terrain .each to their own I guess
The only thing this compilation lacks is a guy on a WR250 just going full send next to struggling GS and picking the bike like a bicycle each time he drops it.
I agree, I had a wr250 and was a joy to ride places like this video, but wasn't powerfull enough at low speed, maybe a 450 woult be nicer
220 kg plus ADV bikes are a handful for us mortals ! I can manage my 690 but anything bigger gives me consistent grief! I rode a Husky 501 through the Snowy Mtns and it was pure bliss. Felt like a mini bike on steroids! Offs are all part of the fun until you get injured and then it all becomes a massive pain! The RideADV blu crew are the best - it always pays to ride in a group with professional assistance nearby if needed. I
I love my RideADV rides !
Thanks, I might see you with RideADV one day, cheers
I recently did an ADV weekend with Jean Pierre Goy school (legendary stuntman!) on my 2018 ATAS. Big and top heavy, he taught us that a lot of ADV riders make the mistake of standing too often. Learning to really displace your body from one side of the bike to the other makes a massive positive difference to these big ADV’s without needing to stand on the pegs all the time.
I have learned this too and try to sit more to reduce fatigue
Standing on the pegs is the only way to ride offroad; it places the weight squarely on the center of gravity, and allows control and maneuvers not possible while seated.
You still displace your weight, but with your hips and upper body. You need knees and ankles to hug the bike. Period.
@@onerider808 Nonsense, there's spots where standing is better and spots where sitting is fine. Yeah you have more control when standing but you don't need it anywhere. Some stuff is actually easier when sitting, like tight cornering. How do I know this ? By riding motocross and enduro for more than 30 years and by doing training days with very experienced riders/trainers.
@@wernerxldata The key is not sitting like a sack of pottatoes so you don't get thrown around off balance.
I loved my BMW GSA, but I feel so much better watching this knowing I don’t have to wrestle that bike again.
What I thought during the whole video : the Bike's just too fat for an average rider to do all of this.
I mostly ride old 650 thumpers and with not much talent and consistently mediocre tires I get by in this type of terrain.
th-cam.com/video/am92p6ge210/w-d-xo.html
GSAs are happiest on nice flat tarmac lol.
The first thing I was taught on my BMW Off-road Course….was how to pick up a 1200GSA!
I’m 76 and I own a BMW 750GS. I take it on gravel and sandy roads here in the desert and it has always performed well. My skill level still does not match everything this motorcycle can do, but I am constantly improving. I PRACTICE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK on difficult sandy terrain, and I know my present limitations. I would never take it on muddy and/or narrow technical tracks without being confident of my skill level.
An adventure bike can do almost anything in the right hands, but not everyone who owns one has the commensurate skill.
Well done, you are inspirational cheers
A gutsy move to publish your crashes mate so thanks! It illustrates how easy it is for things to go pear shaped!
I've got an 850GS too and as I'm in my mid 70's I stick to the bitumen, gravel farm and tame dirt roads and ride my little 250cc dual sport for the trickier stuff. I also carry rope w/ bloc and tackle to winch my bike out of a ditch if I really stuff up. Last tumble, I tore a hamstring and had to wait for help to lift my bike, and rode home for 2 hrs in a lot of pain. Sadly, us old blokes don't bounce like we did when we were young ...
Yeah i know. I did a shoulder tendon a few years ago. As i get older (68 now) I’ll go smaller too. Cheers
I’m 68 always ridden touring bikes ST 1300s etc wanted a change but wondering if this is a bridge too far! I’m still working a 40 hour week (vocational) so not sure I can afford the healing time. Brilliant video really appreciate it. I think I will stick to on road but maybe try a Venture training weekend to see if I can get it out of my system under the eyes of those who will know my limits better than me. AGAIN MASSIVE THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
Cheers David thanks for watching
I owned a GS1200 for last 10 years... I never had any off road experience, and it was always scary to take that big beast to off-road. So I bought a KLX300 practicing every weeks on trails.. my confidence level getting better week by week.
ONE MUST HAVE SOME off road experience before you buy these heavy motorcycles.. thats my thoughts, and PRACTICE.. PRACTICE... again PRACTICE..
Thanks for sharing, cheers
You either have it or you don't.
I appreciate you putting together this video, the helmet cams and technical details are just surreal, I enjoy the lack of commentary which enhances the professionalism of the film, focus on the learning points. Its good motivation for me as I am on the cusp of deciding to take my big bike license in Singapore after 20 years of scootering :)
Much appreciated! You might like “Steve’s Tesla” on TH-cam also if you’re into EV’s
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Watching what not to do is every bit as important as any training vid.thanks steve.
Glad you enjoyed it
A small bike (like the Honda 250) is much easier to control and ride offroad. 1. You can reach the ground with your feet. 2. When the bike starts to fall over you can "catch it" and stop the fall. 3. If the bike does fall, it is easier to stand up. 4. In a sticky situation you can walk it or move much easier. 5. In sand, remember to turn off the "street mode" where spinning the rear tire is blocked. Little bike doesn't have this problem.
I have a "big bike" (KTM 890 ADV R) and a little bike (Honda 250 Rally). Of course freeway or tarmac trips I prefer the "big bike". Single track/tough road I prefer the "little bike". There is a reason motocross and enduro bikes are light. Just my observations and opinions!
I agree, see my other video about “ Older riders first ADV bike” cheers
These are capable machines but also heavy ones. We had to keep momentum all times, because if we don’t weight catches you hardly!😎✌️✌️
Nice work and video
I don't agree, especially not in this specific example, the 890 ADV R is a beast of a bike. Can do almost, aaalmooosttt anything a dirtbike can, BUT the CRF250 imo is a very very tall bike for what it is, doesn't matter that it's only 150kg if I can't get a full foot flat. The 890 with a low seat I can flat foot comfortably and with the low fuel tanks unless I seriously loose grip on my footing, is impossible to drop, it's so easy to keep upright. I can comfortable hold the bike at an almost 45° angle and bring it back up without any issues.
@@AntaresSQ01 890 weights 210kg, 250cc dirt bike weights 100kg. Big adventure bikes can’t do half of the stuff dirt bikes can… I mean I great rider can ride adv bike on trails, but 99% adv riders are not good riders.
@KapitanPisoar1 a 250 dirt bike is maaaybe a 110 kg, a crf250 rally is more like 150-160kg not all that much less than an 890 and definitely not less enough to make the weight be a worthwhile tradeoff.
I appreciate this video. Its like I have a collage of my best crashes to watch😊. Its crazy how easy/fast they happen, isn't it. I'm on a mighty KLR 650 and I'm learning my limits but I'm hopeful of getting better. It sure is fun adventuring, isn't it. Some of your videos are helpful skill wise and they're all enjoyable. Best of luck to you in your journey!
Thanks Mike glad you enjoy them, cheers
That klr is way better than those pieces of s***.
Yep, watching this has made me feel immensely better about potentially pranging my rather hideous Gen 1 KLR lol
I own a GS & have used it extensively off road on easy tracks. There just comes a time that the Husky dual sport makes way more sense & is much less, likely hurt you when it lands on you.
Great feedback, I might be close to downsizing too. Cheers
Brilliant video. I'm 64 and just about to set off for a 2 day Honda off-road experience before coming back to ride my new T7 off-road. I wonder how many of these slight mishaps I will duplicate. It just has to be done!😁
They say if you’re not falling off you’re not trying hard enough! Cheers
Respect, mate, for trying again and again. And for sharing!
Thank you, cheers
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing. I'm 60 and I sold all my adventure bikes. I had a lumbar discectomy a year ago and my doctor told to avoid lifting heavy objects. Well, I couldn't give up riding completely but I did go lighter, a lot lighter. My bikes of choice for riding from lightest to heaviest are: an eMTB (electric mountain bike) about 24kg, a Surron Ultra Bee 85kg, and a Surron Storm Bee 132kg. For really technical off-roading, I'll take the eMTB or the Ultra Bee. For hard-packed off-road, I'll take the Storm Bee.
I fall off a lot - well, really they are tip-overs on steep side hills. Probably 0-4 times each ride. So I'm no stranger to the kind of falls that are in the video but they are generally drama free because the bikes are light and so neither I nor the bike are worse for wear. Also, I ride alone so I can't get help unless I walk out. That wouldn't be great.
I live off-road so I don't often ride on paved roads at all. For long distance, I'll take my 4WD pickup truck and sometimes take a bike in the bed.
Excellent, I’m 68 now and thinking of downsizing, cheers
Emtb is a lot of fun too!
@@paulsimpson8990 It's tremendous fun. I rode for 10 days from my wife's yurt camp this summer. I climbed loads of mountains and could return to camp to recharge, either from my diesel pickup or the solar system at the camp.
I couldn't take my bigger e-bikes due to limited capacity of my truck all the camping equipment we took. It didn't bother me at all.
My eMTB allows me to climb slopes I probably wouldn't be able to climb and cover more distance.
Sounds great. Good to carry a PLB if you ride alone.
Those BMWs may look cool to you, but it's actually a nobby mistake to get one. You start with the most technically challenging ones, in stead of being smart and humble and getting a beginner bike.
I agree see my video “older riders first ADV bike” cheers
“Poor buga ” and “Shiver me timbers” 😅. And a good time was had by all.
I'm SOOOO glad I found this video I've been looking for a twin-cylinder ADV bike, but anymore. Keeping my XR650R.
Not much of an adventure when you can't ride alone,and pick your bike up by yourself.
Yes, but you get the novelty of riding a greased pig on roller skates too
😂😂😂😂@@doctorhelicopter
Lifting the motorcycle is actually the adventure 😅
Great video showing real world situations where average adventure riders come unstuck. From the footage most looked to be novice off-road riders, hampered by heavy bikes with more road based tyres.
At 4:47 you can hear the ABS modulating on the loose, rough surface. This is common on big, heavy bikes when trying to slow down descending hills. It is very un-nerving squeezing the brakes and having the bike not slow down. Having ABS turned OFF, will help the bike stop in a shorter distance on loose surfaces, but most bikes only let you turn off the rear ABS.
Riding a bike that you can't physically pick up yourself is a recipe for disaster as it looks like you found out yourself... the hard way.
This video should be recommended viewing for people wanting to start adventure riding when considering which bike to choose for their first off-road bike. The BMW GS 850 is 100kg heavier than a CRF300 Rally. That makes a huge difference off road when gaining skills and confidence.
G’day Shonky. I’m a subscriber to your channel. Good work mate. Cheers
‘Daddy, why is Australia called the land down under?”
‘Because down there in the dirt bikes are prone to go down under their riders, I think.”
Ha ha cheers mate
Does the analogy apply "When in doubt flat out" With riding a GS off road?
In those sand course’s definitely have to be in 2nd or 3rd gear at a steady and good speed, don’t slow down or that front tire will bite in the sand and down you go, from living in Arizona I’ve learned the hard way, I still go down now & then but not nearly as much, I’ve learned from riders that are much more experienced than me that have taught me those skills. Have to be comfortable being uncomfortable
Yes, harder than it looks, cheers
The Lithgow to Goulburn clips, I’m quite familiar with that pinch, I’m too scared to take the Binelli 502 up that.
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Much is down to how aggessive your tires are. Normal adventure tires just don't do it.
When selecting a rental bike…avoid the B.A.R.T (bald ass rear tire)
Partly true, most of it is rider skills... Ever seen how fast supermoto riders go on the dirt part with just a slick tyre ?
My Triumph weights 336 pounds, makes a lot of difference when you're an old git. You might be able to hold your BM up on tarmac with a light dab, but can you on sand?
“Join us next week as we ride Top Fuel Drag bikes through Trials Rock sections in the Rain, at night!”
Thank you Steve....I'm an 59old beginner, Northern Germany. Want to start ADV-riding and looking for a bike. Before buying, I had my first 2days-offroad beginners training 6 weeks ago. Rented a T7 there, the smallest available (most bikes to rent were 1300GS). The training went ok for me, but sometimes, it was like riding rodeo, like some people in your video did.
An instructor wanted to convince me to buy a 1300GS. Yes for sure, we as older riders can afford buying a GS, complete BMW gear and tons off trainings and put 30K on the table. Never ever. This is all about marketing. They sell dreams and trigger our ego. As you mentioned, mental and physical fitness is needed. Otherwise, you need a good health insurance and medical support. For me, I don't want to struggle with the bike, I want to struggle with the adventure. Therefore I'm about to buy a CRF300Rally. That's my way. Light is right. And my ego? I'm above it. Once again. Thanks for the video...
Wonderful to hear from you. Off-road is a great adventure. You might like this video too. Cheers…..Older rider - First ADV bike - 3 years later
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I'm seeing a lot of gray haired guys in these adventure motorcycle videos. As a white haired guy (I need to update my youtube name!) I applaud them for getting out there. My parents' generation would have been aghast at this sort of behavior at their age. But an observation seems in order. These big adventure bikes are built for drops and minor crashes, but many of the riders are not in the necessary physical shape to roll with these crashes as evidenced by their waistlines. If you are not in top shape and have not been doing high impact exercises or sports or work that has been testing your joints, bones and cartilage for many years, you are at risk of injuries that are more severe than the same drop or fall 30 years earlier. It's one thing to ride dirt and gravel roads. It's entirely different doing single track, fording streams with slippery, loose rocks or climbing steep embankments. Falling is part of the sport. What happens after the fall can vary depending on what shape you are in.
Yes, well said, cheers
Very helpful
I still miss my AT but I sure as s__t sticks to shoes don't miss picking it up.
I'm expecting to be able to do some very similar drops on the 450MT when I eventually get it.
Older rider - First ADV bike - 3 years later
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Good on ya mates, for learning how to ride your heavy adventure bikes more capably off-road and your honesty in showing these thrills and spills 😅
Thanks to some lingering piriformis/sciatica and being somewhat vertically challenged (@5'7") I'm almost limited to a Honda XR150L, which means about a maximum cruising speed of 90km/h on the tar, with plenty of butt resting but on the positive side, hardly any falls or put-downs when the going gets tough, due to my feet being able to reach the ground on non-level surfaces - which seems to be the main culprit.
Thanks Dave, cheers
This is why I sold my F800 GS and bought myself the KTM 390 Adventure, much easier to handle and very light and nimble. I am really enjoying my little 390. Awesome video!
Thanks for sharing!
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That's the sad reallity of big ADV bikes, not what adds show us pretending you will be able to do it as a pro rider.
very heavy non steady objects on slippery surfaces. I really dont get it.
Then why watch?
Good on you for posting this mate! Respect!!! 🙂
Much appreciated, cheers
Growing up on dirt on a DT125, now riding sports bikes, at 56 I'm considering an adv bike. However, looking at this, I'm reconsidering my thoughts of buying a new F900GS and sending it bush. Some of these offs appear to be on what appear to be very easy tracks, so no doubt it's much harder with all that weight. Time for a rethink!
G’day, many of these falls were on level 1 basic training. Watch this one. Cheers. Older rider - First ADV bike - 3 years later
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Treat yourself to a DT200 as an upgrade.
A bunch of guys (who can't ride!) with all the kit, on brand new BMW'S, crashing on the simplest obstacles.. pretty much sums up the whole ADV scene ;) I prefer crashing my WR450 in my backyard, practicing wheelies... lol
We all start at zero, cheers
@@StevesBikes01 Yea, the smart ones start with a $500 100cc bike ;)
Tz. I see a bunch of guys out there having fun as a team. So, go on practicing alone in your backyard, if that’s to your liking.
adjust your gas on the TFT menu... on first gear it's usually too strong as it gets slippery...
Thanks for the tip!
Big Adventure Bike's are not off road bikes they are road and good dirt road travelling bike's.
So true!
Speak for yourself.. Go on a KTM rally and you will see heaps of guys riding big adventure bike real fast and competent.
@@brettstone6885 Put a top class rider on a big adventure bike and the same rider on a quality 450 to 700 over really tough terrain, that rider is going to go faster and quicker on the 450 to 700 thats just a fact.
If you are riding dirt roads and bitumen across Australia or Africa or USA carrying 100 kgs of luggage plus rider a big adventure bike is the choice for most.
I rode east coast enduros back in the 70s on my first enduro bike, a husqvarna 360 8sp and in hindsight, it was too big for the New Jersey sand, cranberry bogs and whooped out fire roads. 12 years ago I’d did a Rawhyde adventure ride out into the desert with lots of nice Jeep trails. Most of the guys opted for the big BMW GSs and at 500+ lbs, they’re a handful. I rode one of the new 800. This video seems to have a lot of senior riders showing how not to ride their “menopause” hot rods. At 77 I’ve quit riding enduros and most dirt events because I know my limitations.
Respect to all, for having a go. Ride safe, Live long friends.
Good on you for posting these bloopers! Great to learn from
Glad you like them! Cheers
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conclusion : small dual sports and dirt bikes will take you everywhere off pavement and will be easier to handle
Good to see them all standing up on the foot pegs, obviously been to adventure school, I went for a ride with a whole lot of adventure bikes once, I love my XR600 even more now
Doesn't seem to help them much lol
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helped me make up my mind getting a dr650 over a t7.
Get the DR. When I was ready to buy a good deal came up on a KLR and that's what I went with. Love the bike, but still wanting a DR.
the only way id have one of these big adv bikes is if i had it for on road touring. biggest bike id even consider is a tiger 900 and even that is pushing it. im starting on a klr650 but will probably upgrade to either the kove 450 rally street edition (once we get longevity reports in) or the tenere 700.
SWEET, Cheers
Ténéré 700 hits the scales at 452 lbs, Transalp 750 clocks in around 458 lbs, KLR gen 3 around 387 lbs and KTM 690 a mere 330 lbs... The DRZ400 weighs only 275 lbs, comparing that to the 1250 gs that is almost 600 lbs.
Pick something lighter if you're at the age where you're going for prostate checks XD
Ha ha yeah
Enjoyed this, been in a few spills like them, well done for getting out of your comfort zones gentlemen
Glad you enjoyed it
There is no way I’d ride one of those monsters in those conditions. I’ll take my TW200 all day long in wet grass, muddy puddles and sandy soil.
Having totaled my F800gs, my new ADV Bike is a WR250. When I do have the occasional get off, the scratches that were already there, just get a little deeper. Pick it up, ride & repeat - zero drama & tons of fun!
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That was me in all of them. I didn’t know that I got around so much.
I'm almost fifty years old, and this is my second year riding motorcycles. Does the bike's weight matter? Absolutely! Heavier bikes are more challenging. But if you practice, practice, and then practice some more slow-speed figure eights (it took me about four months of constant practicing), you will teach your brain to instinctively throttle up gently when you feel like falling. You will also teach your brain to shift your weight on the bike to counterbalance without realizing that you are doing it: riding the motorcycle on uneven terrain becomes like walking or running. I have a DDX, and after practicing on a parking lot for four months, I rode a GS 1250 all over backcountry roads in Costa Rica for a month. That was my first time off-roading. I didn't fall once. Thank you to all the TH-cam motorcycle channels that taught me how to balance the clutch!
Happy adventures cheers
All the 2 wheel geniuses telling everyone what bike to get. Its not about just get a dirt bike to ride off road. Its about being able to ride a 500 lb adventure bike off road.
Ive road my whole life but since i got an adventure bike its all completely new again. Its like being 10 years old and riding those old mid 70s Kawasaki 100s. Back in the seat and float the front tire everywhere. So heavy when you stop it immediately digs a hole. Front end washing out constantly and back end nothing but squirrelly. Its awesome
I love this channel! Please post any other recent videos.
Thank you, I’ve got some rides coming up. Try “ Steve’s Tesla” on TH-cam if you’re into EV’s. cheers
You guys are tough old buggers✌️
The first (and last) stack was on the Old Dry Plains Rd - know that causeway well. Always slippery.
Yes you’re right. Cheers
Bloody ice rinks those bloody causeways 🙈
I’m always baffled by how often the oldest and least experienced riders are the ones getting these extremely powerful bikes that they cannot pick up.
This is why we do it…Older rider - First ADV bike - 3 years later
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Far out Steve I am scared to go riding again
Hahaha can't stop laughing. It seems as if everyone in the film suffers from an illness and then suddenly falls off their motorcycle 🤣
Offroad motorcycling is really a young mans game.
I can’t agree with that, we are having a blast, the key though is to get the right bike for off road not just a big one because we can afford them
@@StevesBikes01 Looks like a lot of broke bones.
Some might agree with you, I certainly wished I had started when I was much younger than I am now, in the UK the average off road rider must be about 50 lol, but we have a laugh and enjoy the challenge, never let age or the weather stop you from doing what you want... with age comes wisdom, maybe 😂
Partly true, being fit helps a lot but most important are rider skills.
does the jacket have paddings?
Too big, too tall, too heavy. I bet a lot of guys trade their big expensive 220+ kilo bikes for smaller, cheaper, more fun to ride bikes.
and a 4x4 and a trailer and a van to carry them to kewl places away from homes also. 😮
Where in Oz is all this good clean fun. Thank you for the content BTW.
Hello, this is all in New South Wales. Cheers
Is this Monty Python? And now for something completely... Get a 650L or Dr650. Tennis anyone?
So many great experiences! Best regards from Brazil 🇧🇷! 👍😁
Thanks for watching!
Don’t buy a tall bike if you’re not a tall man. Stick to the small CC bikes
Yup fr but i think maybe if you had Knobby's some of the low speed tracción crash may not have happened at all. Also turn of the electronics
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It's way more fun watching other people fall over.
Watching this makes my right shoulder ache. Recovering from a right hand turn from street to gravel. Ouch
Ouch, all the best mate
These guys should all go buy a Honda Postie bike and learn how to ride...
Yeah, I made the cut 😁
I learned how to ride off road on my trusty HODAKA 125 Wambat… Great Fun
Why dont you ride a crf300?
You guys are just to funny 😆 .you guys would be better off with horses 😆😆.
I bought an 1150GS new when I was stationed out in Hawaii in 2003, loved that bike. Rode it out to Kahuku motocross park and took it on a couple easier trails, definitely not something I would recommend doing with such a big bike. Forest roads and whatnot, it was lots of fun and long trips on tarmac, again a great bike. It the one bike I regret selling.
Hi, thanks, I’ve regretted selling every bike I’ve ever owned! Cheers
This video is the definition of mid-life crisis...
Great video! This is why I'm aiming at a light 250.
Right on cheers
Lacking a lot of basic riding skills.
Yes, we all start at zero, cheers
Great video. The sounds of the engine as the bike falls, the second of silence as you process what you did. Then the realisation you have to get the bastard upright again. Terrible feeling if you're alone!
Yeah, for that reason i no longer ride alone off road, cheers
Dr650.. just get one. Saves all this crap
I was told to stay on top of bike don't let it fall on you. 66% of motorcycle injuries are the ankle from bike falling on rider. Been looking for sandy dirt roads to ride on before riding 2 tracks up north. Plenty of dirt roads but not many have sand traps. Moved up from my old 360 enduro to adv bike. The horsepower is taking some getting used too.
Cool, see you out there!
There all tipping over like Biden on a bicycle!
my biggest surprise was a circural oil stain on the roundabout. My "grounding" was immediate, just few msecs after front wheel slipped
Crikey hope you are ok. Cheers
@@StevesBikes01 fine fine, and Husq701 was a tough lady :)
That crossing at 13.45 out of Dalgety has taken the best of us out!
Gulgong is a great place! I won't be using that track to get there though lol.
is that first part swallow rock
I don’t know about the first fall, but Ben’s crash was Swallowtail gorge. Cheers
Mate!!!! I can't wait to ride in Australia. Such a huge dream, to be back and this time on my bike.
See you out there!
Not seeing the whole "down to tires "thing ...seeing alot of poor throttle control and balance issues mostly.
why you ride in an dirt road with "road mode" on instead of enduro? (11.30). Its funny that we all somehow have done at least 1 of that . nice video.
Good question! I’ve tried Road with traction control off as the suspension is lower
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This is why , at 65, I bought a 1250 GS, and I'm not taking it off road. I'd have gladly done these types of roads and trails, 35 years ago on my Honda XR 350
After watching the video, I now have a better understanding of how not to ride an ADV Bike on the trail. Is crashing par for the course or just part of the adventure?
G’day it’s all part of the journey even the experts start at zero. Most of us on these training courses bought our first off road bikes later in life. That was my experience cheers
I had the 850GSA, and it was totally the opposite of the 850GS!!!! The GSA was top heavy and a few months later, I ditched it. Sold and went back to the GS12, which is easier to maneuver. Last week i had the chance to ride the Tenere 700 offroad and I am hooked!!!
Thanks for sharing! I have the F850GSA and agree when fully loaded with fuel its a bitch to lift