I got tired of the giant scopes that were all the rage the past 20 years. Great way to get an AR up to 12 pounds very quickly. Last 5+ yrs I've been focused on vintage low powered scopes. Unless I was shooting prairie dogs at 800m I don't need 25x, 10 or 12 works great.
Ron, you’re a lifesaver. I usually dread shot show week. All my channels fill up with dozens of videos of junk I don’t care about that’s pretty much the same as the junk I didn’t care about last year. Your shot show videos filter out the meaningless junk and focus in on stuff we actually care about.
short scopes are great, but if they don't have close to 4 inches of eye relief you are very limited in the mounts you can use to get the scope far enough back. Pretty much forces you to use a pic rail.
I’ve never spent a lot of money on scopes, but I rarely shoot beyond 325 yards. A durable, simple, scope is all I need. The lower price point scopes have worked for me. I certainly don’t need digital displays in my scope to confuse me. Just clear bright glass is what I’m looking for.
I just found their new models are made in the Philippines instead of USA where mine was made. I buy Made inUSA whenever possible. Foreigner don't keep me employed.
@@JerryRedd-bs8xi Some of their models have been made in the Phillipines for quite a while. Their DROPTINE scopes are a really good value for the money. Nobody's scope parts are all made in America anymore. Just FYI, assembled in America isn't necessarily MADE in America.
I know there are a lot of Leupold lovers out there I am also one of them, But let me tell you the new line of Burris Veracity PH scopes the last two years are phenomenal, the clarity is top notch and the side parallax is spot on, at 100 yards even on Max zoom they are still crystal clear, not to mention the electronics that have been built into these scopes, using their app to Bluetooth your cartridges ballisticsto the scope.it's one shot impacts out to 1000 yards if your capable of making those shots. I will from now on only be placing Burris optics on my rifles.
A basic 3-9 scope is all you need for hunting. These high tech scope i feel only belong in the PRS world. I feel we owe it to the game we hunt to get as close as possible to make a clean ethical shot
In that mindset, all you need is a bow. You owe it to the game to get as close as possible. Really, it should be a long bow you make yourself, and stung with a gut string, and made with wooden arrows and turkey feathers, all from game you have personally taken.
I must be in the Fudd clan - I just don't want all the newfangled whizzbang digital doodads. Give me a really good glass with a duplex reticle and magnification suitable for the task at hand. A good 6x fixed power scope will handle any hunting I am going to do. For my target shooting ( which is pretty much all my shooting ) I want a good 4-12 x44 or maybe a 3-18 x 50 at most. I have three scopes that do have illumination but I don't use it - I find it distracting. I guess it all boils down to me being an Olde Pharte. 😎
You know me a little by now, I hope. I'm a Fudd, too. My rifles don't even have scopes! But if they ever do (and I am thinking about it), you can be sure they'll be something simple, like a 3-9 or 2-8 variable with no twirlie gizmos to help me realize my target is out of my range, anyway! I do like that Chronograph, though.
I Like the new Swarovski scopes with the new turrets and 30mm tubes, can’t beat there glass but damn almost have to take out a 2nd mortgage to afford one
Considering how hard it is to get tags in most states for large game, I'm all in on the technology side. The last thing I want to do is miss on a once-in-a-lifetime hunt.
My biggest problem with Leupold is that they refuse to give us medium range folks a decent mil reticle! Do you know how freakin cool that vx6 2-12 would be with a decent christmas tree?
Guess we need to define "medium range." I figure it's 150 to 300 yards, distances at which I don't require any mil radian adjustments to my sight picture. Perhaps you're shooting a 30-30 trajectory?
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Okay Ron, I guess I see it differently. 200-600 is medium to my way of thinking. That's realistic hunting ranges to me. I'm not interested in shooting at game animals at "long range" i.e. 700-1000 yards and beyond. I enjoy shooting that far, but not at animals. I know there's a lovely dial-up system in the CDS, its awesome. I just don't see why I can't have both.
Leupold needs to bring back their custom shop I love their scopes and the VX5hd I got for my 6.5 PRC is probably my favorite scope I have ever had. I really like the HTMR reticle I would like to get that same reticle in some of their cheaper lines. I don’t want to have to buy and I am not going to buy 1300$ scope for my 17hmr I like having the same reticle on my plinking gun and big game hunting rifle that way your use to using that reticle. I also really wish that the zero stop turret would go up in elevation more than one revolution. it’s great for hunting, but it limits you in target shooting and when you spend that much money on a scope, I feel like you should be able to get more elevation out of it.
I'm waiting also. I've pestered them several times, last was almost a year ago. They were still using Oregon's covid shutdown excuse and THAT is getting very tiresome.
Leupold has lost their mind. $2700 for a 2nd focal plane scope that isn’t as durable, repeatable or reliable as many others at the same or lower price point.
I agree with another poster - instead of buying junk, save until you can get something dependable. I looked at lots of brands and prices. But for the price Leupold wants for their VX-6, for a little more I went with Nightforce. Clarity, build quality, and ability to hold zero were important to me - and Leupold is not doing well as they used to be 25 years ago. Did my scope cost more than my rifle? Yes. But what is the point of having a scope if it doesn’t perform in the worst of conditions? And if it’s good enough for our elite military, it got my attention. And I use the basic MOA reticle, not the whiz bang Christmas tree stuff. If I can’t get within decent range of the animal, I don’t take the shot.
Ron I am still hunting the old school way, inside 400 yards with a capped turents. Heavy for cal bullets aren't that all that relevant. Max point blank range shooting.
GPO scoped are brilliant I run all GPO scopes and bino/range finder. Superb quality better than American optics, but not crazy priced like other German optics.
Gen 1 Leupold V6 already had throw lever and I may add I prefer that lever version. The tooless zero adjust is a nice change though doesnt make or break it for me as hopefully once set I am not changing it often or ever. It woudl be good for the field if your scope gets knocked out of zero though so kudos Leupold. My issue with Leupold is the mushy clicks and some people complain they do not hold zero well vs equally priced competitors.
@@SammyMoore-tg5gsI had it happened years ago to me but it was actually on the drive home from otherwise the ones I've had have actually been okay although I'm using Zeiss currently. Way better clicks.
@ I’m currently using the Maven RS 1.2 scopes, and I love them. Hold zero brilliantly, great clicks, great tracking, and great light transmission and coatings.
What happened to my comment on scopes too damn short for long action rifles. Rails make bolt guns hard to load and cause jams when brass strikes the rail and falls down in the bolt path. Something tells me the designers are not hunting anymore.
One scope that I'd love to see is a 1-10x LPVO with a 32mm, 34mm, 35mm, or 36mm objective lens with a first focal plane and/or a second plane reticle option for those who don't use the ranging features built into the reticle. Perhaps one of them could be for the tactical world and the other for the hunting market. The 1-10mm scopes we have now were designed for a 4-power scope not a 10 power scope, and it shows. Put a real objective on the scope not the models we have now. 10-power is too much for a 24mm or 26mm objective.
Everything has either gone long range or tactical. I want more choices for the everyday hunter. My shots will be 300yds and in. I would really love to get a scope with the post style reticle.
I have numerous brands, but always come back to Leupold. I think a certain brand of scope can sometimes just fit a persons eye. I don’t know how else to explain it. Leupold just has the right amount of eye relief for where I like the scope, and always seems to have the best edge to edge eyebox. I am pretty sure if you held a bunch of scopes to my eye, I could tell you which is the Leupold.
Thing I don't like about these new scopes is they shrunk the tube lenght so now you have no room for your eye relief. A scope with adjustable crosshairs is alll most everyone needs but they make them "lighter" for all those going to climb mountains--about .05% of hunters.
The ONLY true lightweight hunting scope is the SWFA 2.5-10x at under 11 ounces. Tough as nails, too, and it doesn't cost 2K or more like most of these.
Don’t care so much for all the new technology… I’m definitely old school and know how to zero a scope, hold over if necessary and can be on target without having to adjust turrets, look at my phone or talk to a spotter… and yes I keep my shots 400 yards and under for a reason.
I hear you, WYTAIL, but the simple truth is that so few people demand fixed power scopes that scope makers can't afford to build them. Overly complicated scopes are all the rage, mainly, I think, because too few users are hard core hunters and too many think they have to shoot anything they can see, regardless the distance. Many also believe they can't hit anything with less than 10X power and 30X is probably better. And if you con't have at least a 56mm objective, you won't pass enough light to see anything. Marketing works.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors It makes sense. I wish more hunters would try a fixed power and realize that you can shoot a long way at 6x. They are also light and simple.
When reviewing smart scopes, why doesn’t anyone mention that Gunwerks/Revic released a smart scope 8 years ago. Burris made a poor attempt to copy it using an old school dope chart that you must change manually as you change altitude. The Revic has on board atmospheric sensors that give you a true shoot too solution instantly no matter the conditions your in. Frustrating to see people copy others ingenuity and act as if there’s is revolutionary. There will always be leaders and there will be followers.
I've always wanted a 1:1 scope with an extremely large field of view. I've always shot with both eyes open and have never liked the object being farther away than it appears. I get it for long distance and the need for magnification, but I primarily hunt in dense woods. Losing your target in a mess of brush with magnification is no fun.
I've never seen enough difference between my naked eye view and a 2X scope that open eyes sighting has been compromised. Nor have I found 2X to slow target acquisition, even at 10 yards. But that's just me. If 2X is too much for you, use a 1.1 or 1.4X. Hope it works for you.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors All true. I do use a low power scope and I agree, not much of a difference. I'm just saying, I've always wanted a 1:1 scope. Having no parallax, can be a big deal finding your target. None of my low power scopes have a parallax adjustment so I have no experience with the effect from something like a 2X scope. I had never thought about whether parallax would be an issue with a 1:1.
@@howlinhog Parallax is rarely an issue at low magnifications because depth of focus is naturally greater without magnification. The higher the magnification and the more distant the target, the more parallax matters. For instance, a variable 2-12X set parallax free at 150 yards will project a sharp image of targets from 150 yards to infinity, roughly, when set on 12X. Because you've dialed out all parallax, the reticle will hover perfectly over your target. But look at a target at 50 yards or 25 yards and it will be grossly out of focus. If your eye isn't perfectly entered in the scope, your shot could be well off your "aiming" point. However, being one MOA off aiming point on a critter at 25 yards (1/4-inch) rarely results in a miss. Being off one MOA at 400 yards (4-inches) could be a miss.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thanks Ron. Your experience and technical knowledge is exactly why I subscribe to your channel. I'm just a Michigan country boy that grew up in a hunting family. I'm a really good shot, but that doesn't mean I have a complete understanding of the technical aspects of scopes. I am however a whole lot less ignorant after watching your channel. Thank you very much for your response, P.S. would love to see you spend some time with the Athlon chronograph.
I would love to see the hunting world actually do away with all the battery operated stuff , with light up reticle's and built in rangefinder... The cellular cams that send real time pics !!! Id love to see a movement geared twords more " fair chase" hunting without all the batteries and cell phone technology. We absolutely do not need that much of a technological advantage over any wild animal we hunt !!! Shotshow = Technology advanced yuppieville that probably requires batteries !!!
For the XTR PS? For typical smokeless rifle hunting, none. And before people reply saying "nuh uh X states says it's illegal!" copy and paste the state statute that you claim would make it illegal.
From Idaho's big game regulations under weapon restrictions: In any hunt, including any-weapon seasons, it is unlawful to pursue or kill big game animals: With any electronic device attached to, or incorporated in, the firearm or scope; except scopes containing battery powered or tritium lighted reticles are allowed. So lighted reticle ok, heads up display in scope not allowed.
Funny how Ron’s best defence of Leupold’s reliability is a story about his scope losing zero by 8 INCHES. These people reviewing scopes need to elevate their standards, and call that sort of thing what it is; a scope failure. The scope’s job after all is to keep your shots on target.
Leupold is arguably the most overrated optics manufacturer there is(cough cough vortex). They are just not what they used to be. The good ol boys just can't help but see them as the best. Rose colored glasses.
@chipsterb4946 sure sure I have seen even a freedom take a hell of a beating and be fine. I have owned many leupies. The propensity for lemons is much higher now. To much slop and weight saveing materials. I cant fault the mark series though.
I have _zero_ interest in products that are made in a country that shall remain nameless. This includes "Assembled in.....". That is _NOT_ the same as *"Made in....".* Do not be fooled, folks. However, I understand why these products are included. Not everyone can or is willing to spend that much money based on personal principle. Nevertheless, thank you gentlemen and ma'am for the coverage. We know SHOT Show can be arduous. Stay classy my friends.
It's mind boggling how they can keep making stuff and pumping it to the consumer. I have several friends that own between 80 and 100 firearms apiece. Total acquisition disorders. Keep buying and buying redundant products just to satisfy the compulsive buying disorders of theirs.
Guys, I have to admit: I don't understand you acting like you're an authority about these products instead of just letting the actual authorities give us the details on them. Awkward.
@@BadKarma.- Easy as hell when you're Ron Spomer. You let them know that you'd like to feature them for one of your YT videos and ask when it's convenient. They figure out a time on the spot so that they can get that kind of exposure/coverage. This stuff is very straightforward - it's just doing business, and that's what they're there for, after all.
Don’t know how I feel about the commentary on Leupold. Everyone knows their durability/reliability is a complete joke. I just want a simple 2-8 or 3-9 vx5 that holds zero without a paper thin tube. I don’t care if it’s heavier. *Edit* I should not have said everyone knows, or implied that every Leupold scope can have or will have reliability issues. In my opinion, it is a well enough known problem Leupold needs to do something to address it considering they’re a premium scope brand and manufacturer.
Westerner, if you want a scope with a thicker skin, check out Nightforce. I hear they emphasize durability. Personally, I've hunted with many, many Leupolds since the 1980s and have never had one fail, not even the one I slammed into the rocks of an AK glacial river. I knocked it off sight by 8 inches or so, but after I re-zeroed, it held, I shot my moose, and that scope is still going strong. So I can't complain.
That's why people have choices. If you want a heavy duty scope buy one. For those who want a reasonably lightweight scope for hunting leupold does that pretty well. Myself I like lightweight and never had much trouble even my 20 something year old bushnell elite 3200 stills works well.
@ I’ve had to send two back to Leupold. One doesn’t have to search very hard to find that my experience is not an exception, there’s a guy on rokslide that tests all kinds of scopes extensively and has never had a Leupold pass even the beginning stages of a torture test. Their older VariX scopes were very durable and weighted reasonably, I still have a few of them and haven’t had any issues. I’ve since moved onto The Schmidt and bender Klassik scopes, but I still would rather have a gold ring on my model 70 if they were built better
Everybody? Really? My Leupold VX6HD 3x18x44 has been flawless since purchase 3 years ago - and I've shot and hunted a lot with it. It sits upon a 300WM Tikka Wideland Veil. I respect your experience but mine have been completely different.
This is terrible! This is the opposite of what we strive for. All of our riflescopes come with a Forever Lifetime warranty with no questions asked. Send them in and we will repair or replace for you. We are sorry you had this experience and would like to make it right.
Leupold pricing is stupid. What everyday American hunter is going to pay 2 grand for a scope. A fool that buys a scope instead of paying bills. People need to stop paying for any gun accessories with stupid prices. If we stop paying stupid money, the price will drop. Brands are a fad in their marketing hipe and boils down to ripping you off. Stop buying stupid, and take care of your family .
I can relate to n agree with the thought there,while you or me may never be able to afford the VX6 or or other high end scopes can always Drool n wish. Giving something to work towards
The Fulfield is definitely not a scope aimed at millionaires. I think they covered a nice range of optics in this video. I typically look for scopes in the $600 -$800 range and most of these companies have something in that range. I watch all of Ron’s videos and think he does a great job of covering the full range of prices.
Try that excuse at a mom and pop gun store trying to make a living. How many POS scopes do they have to sell and to get return customers to stay in business?
I’m not a millionaire, but I know how to save money to buy quality items. It’s easy with this one simple trick! What you do is, when you go to buy a lesser quality good, you just keep the money instead!
I've owned a lot of brands over the years including Tasco, Bushnell, B&L, Burris, Leupold and Sightron. Today I own just two brands. Swarovski and Zeiss. Quality is worth it and Leupold doesn't cut it.
@@HazardousRob didn’t say he was wrong, and, in fact, I agree with him. I’m selling my last Leupold scope right now. But just saying something sucks without providing the reasons why they suck is a poor way of providing an opinion.
Like the look of those small GPO scopes, a lot of NZ hunting is in the mountains so a small lightweight scope with a reasonable zoom is great.
I got tired of the giant scopes that were all the rage the past 20 years. Great way to get an AR up to 12 pounds very quickly. Last 5+ yrs I've been focused on vintage low powered scopes. Unless I was shooting prairie dogs at 800m I don't need 25x, 10 or 12 works great.
Ron, you’re a lifesaver. I usually dread shot show week. All my channels fill up with dozens of videos of junk I don’t care about that’s pretty much the same as the junk I didn’t care about last year. Your shot show videos filter out the meaningless junk and focus in on stuff we actually care about.
short scopes are great, but if they don't have close to 4 inches of eye relief you are very limited in the mounts you can use to get the scope far enough back. Pretty much forces you to use a pic rail.
I’ve never spent a lot of money on scopes, but I rarely shoot beyond 325 yards. A durable, simple, scope is all I need. The lower price point scopes have worked for me. I certainly don’t need digital displays in my scope to confuse me. Just clear bright glass is what I’m looking for.
Scott, heard loud and clear! Check out our Fullfield line next time you are in the market. We are trying our best to make optics to meet every need.
I’ve always been Happy with Burris scopes been using them for over 20 years and never had one fail a lot of scope for the money
I just found their new models are made in the Philippines instead of USA where mine was made. I buy Made inUSA whenever possible. Foreigner don't keep me employed.
@@JerryRedd-bs8xi tell me you don’t understand comparative advantage without telling me you don’t understand comparative advantage.
@@JerryRedd-bs8xi Some of their models have been made in the Phillipines for quite a while. Their DROPTINE scopes are a really good value for the money. Nobody's scope parts are all made in America anymore. Just FYI, assembled in America isn't necessarily MADE in America.
Thanks, John!!
I know there are a lot of Leupold lovers out there I am also one of them, But let me tell you the new line of Burris Veracity PH scopes the last two years are phenomenal, the clarity is top notch and the side parallax is spot on, at 100 yards even on Max zoom they are still crystal clear, not to mention the electronics that have been built into these scopes, using their app to Bluetooth your cartridges ballisticsto the scope.it's one shot impacts out to 1000 yards if your capable of making those shots. I will from now on only be placing Burris optics on my rifles.
Thanks for he high praise @zachs8661! We appreciate your business and aim to keep delivering innovative and quality optics to the market.
A basic 3-9 scope is all you need for hunting. These high tech scope i feel only belong in the PRS world. I feel we owe it to the game we hunt to get as close as possible to make a clean ethical shot
100% agree with you on this.
In that mindset, all you need is a bow. You owe it to the game to get as close as possible. Really, it should be a long bow you make yourself, and stung with a gut string, and made with wooden arrows and turkey feathers, all from game you have personally taken.
Swarovski scopes are great kit.
Thanks for bringing us all the info from shot show!
I must be in the Fudd clan - I just don't want all the newfangled whizzbang digital doodads. Give me a really good glass with a duplex reticle and magnification suitable for the task at hand. A good 6x fixed power scope will handle any hunting I am going to do. For my target shooting ( which is pretty much all my shooting ) I want a good 4-12 x44 or maybe a 3-18 x 50 at most. I have three scopes that do have illumination but I don't use it - I find it distracting. I guess it all boils down to me being an Olde Pharte. 😎
Nah, you’re not a fudd unless your preference is a 2-7x with German post. Preferably with tv view. And blued steel.
Then don’t buy it
You know me a little by now, I hope. I'm a Fudd, too. My rifles don't even have scopes! But if they ever do (and I am thinking about it), you can be sure they'll be something simple, like a 3-9 or 2-8 variable with no twirlie gizmos to help me realize my target is out of my range, anyway! I do like that Chronograph, though.
I Like the new Swarovski scopes with the new turrets and 30mm tubes, can’t beat there glass but damn almost have to take out a 2nd mortgage to afford one
Hopefully Leupold will fix the tracking issues. QC really dropping off
Great video guys. Love the input from the hunting guide Tate. He has great insight on what hunters really need. Take care guys
I really like those GPO CENTURI scopes I got two of the 3-12x44i and 3-18x44i both excellent especially for the price.
Really interested in one of those
@BadKarma.- For the money, it's hard to beat excellent glass, not heavy, and both mine track perfectly.
Burris/Steiner is good as well.
Considering how hard it is to get tags in most states for large game, I'm all in on the technology side. The last thing I want to do is miss on a once-in-a-lifetime hunt.
My biggest problem with Leupold is that they refuse to give us medium range folks a decent mil reticle! Do you know how freakin cool that vx6 2-12 would be with a decent christmas tree?
Buy a Mark 4 HD 2.5-10
Guess we need to define "medium range." I figure it's 150 to 300 yards, distances at which I don't require any mil radian adjustments to my sight picture. Perhaps you're shooting a 30-30 trajectory?
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Okay Ron, I guess I see it differently. 200-600 is medium to my way of thinking. That's realistic hunting ranges to me. I'm not interested in shooting at game animals at "long range" i.e. 700-1000 yards and beyond. I enjoy shooting that far, but not at animals. I know there's a lovely dial-up system in the CDS, its awesome. I just don't see why I can't have both.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsthats short range…
Agreed, no one makes a middle range scope in mils, they act like if you use mile you’re a long range competitor
Leupold needs to bring back their custom shop
I love their scopes and the VX5hd I got for my 6.5 PRC is probably my favorite scope I have ever had. I really like the HTMR reticle
I would like to get that same reticle in some of their cheaper lines.
I don’t want to have to buy and I am not going to buy 1300$ scope for my 17hmr
I like having the same reticle on my plinking gun and big game hunting rifle that way your use to using that reticle.
I also really wish that the zero stop turret would go up in elevation more than one revolution. it’s great for hunting, but it limits you in target shooting and when you spend that much money on a scope, I feel like you should be able to get more elevation out of it.
I'm waiting also. I've pestered them several times, last was almost a year ago. They were still using Oregon's covid shutdown excuse and THAT is getting very tiresome.
Leupold has lost their mind. $2700 for a 2nd focal plane scope that isn’t as durable, repeatable or reliable as many others at the same or lower price point.
Right? There’s no chance I’m picking a leupold over a Nightforce for the same money
I agree with another poster - instead of buying junk, save until you can get something dependable. I looked at lots of brands and prices. But for the price Leupold wants for their VX-6, for a little more I went with Nightforce. Clarity, build quality, and ability to hold zero were important to me - and Leupold is not doing well as they used to be 25 years ago. Did my scope cost more than my rifle? Yes. But what is the point of having a scope if it doesn’t perform in the worst of conditions? And if it’s good enough for our elite military, it got my attention. And I use the basic MOA reticle, not the whiz bang Christmas tree stuff. If I can’t get within decent range of the animal, I don’t take the shot.
Ron I am still hunting the old school way, inside 400 yards with a capped turents. Heavy for cal bullets aren't that all that relevant. Max point blank range shooting.
Shhhh! We’we hunting wabbits!
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"call me a fudd" 😂
The GPO Centuris are awesome!
The burris deopline compact scope caught my attention
No "X" in especially.
Nice presentation 👍. The audio seems a bit weak.
GPO scoped are brilliant I run all GPO scopes and bino/range finder. Superb quality better than American optics, but not crazy priced like other German optics.
Gen 1 Leupold V6 already had throw lever and I may add I prefer that lever version. The tooless zero adjust is a nice change though doesnt make or break it for me as hopefully once set I am not changing it often or ever. It woudl be good for the field if your scope gets knocked out of zero though so kudos Leupold. My issue with Leupold is the mushy clicks and some people complain they do not hold zero well vs equally priced competitors.
None of my Leupold scopes have held zero. All of them wandered after a bit of time driving to the trailhead
@@SammyMoore-tg5gsI had it happened years ago to me but it was actually on the drive home from otherwise the ones I've had have actually been okay although I'm using Zeiss currently. Way better clicks.
@ I’m currently using the Maven RS 1.2 scopes, and I love them. Hold zero brilliantly, great clicks, great tracking, and great light transmission and coatings.
Would have liked to hear the cost of the different scopes
The Burris Fullfield starts at $160 in the 2-8 and goes up to $550 in the 6-24. The XTR PS 3.3-18 is $1999 and the 5.5-30 is $2199.
The short scopes are cute, trying to figure how it mounts on a gun must require a rail.
One piece mounts and rails, or short actions
What happened to my comment on scopes too damn short for long action rifles. Rails make bolt guns hard to load and cause jams when brass strikes the rail and falls down in the bolt path. Something tells me the designers are not hunting anymore.
I'm traditional, I like glossy scopes like low profile widefield scope from redfield 🤠
GPO is great stuff.
One scope that I'd love to see is a 1-10x LPVO with a 32mm, 34mm, 35mm, or 36mm objective lens with a first focal plane and/or a second plane reticle option for those who don't use the ranging features built into the reticle. Perhaps one of them could be for the tactical world and the other for the hunting market. The 1-10mm scopes we have now were designed for a 4-power scope not a 10 power scope, and it shows. Put a real objective on the scope not the models we have now. 10-power is too much for a 24mm or 26mm objective.
Everything has either gone long range or tactical. I want more choices for the everyday hunter. My shots will be 300yds and in. I would really love to get a scope with the post style reticle.
Since yall mentioned it twice, what states are illuminated reticle not legal?
Seeing as I'm on the fence, the only solution is to have two of every rifle so I can have fancy and traditional scopes. Ima go check with my wife.
I have numerous brands, but always come back to Leupold. I think a certain brand of scope can sometimes just fit a persons eye. I don’t know how else to explain it. Leupold just has the right amount of eye relief for where I like the scope, and always seems to have the best edge to edge eyebox. I am pretty sure if you held a bunch of scopes to my eye, I could tell you which is the Leupold.
That ffp GPO 4-16 you can see the reticle on 4x. I have 58 yo eyes and I see mine fine.
Cool
When’s the Athlon chrono going to be available ???
I would love to try the new digital scopes I don’t think my pockets will allow it 😊
I want the new turret top for my VX-5HD. I love my Leupolds.
I’m wish Leupold would sell the VX-3 2.5-8 with a windplex reticle
Ya needs that Chronygraph n doey a side by side by side.
It's not brand new but the Burris Eliminator 6 was really impressive, and I shoot mostly Swaro and Nightforce
Thank you! It is our goal to push the limits of what is possible in a riflescope.
After researching the price of these new scopes, im going back to iron sights. Most of my game is close enough for a well thrown rock anyway
😁 I MOSTLY USE LEUPOLD, BUT THEIR IS NO SCOPE BETTER THAN A SCHMIDT AND BENDER! 🤑
Thing I don't like about these new scopes is they shrunk the tube lenght so now you have no room for your eye relief. A scope with adjustable crosshairs is alll most everyone needs but they make them "lighter" for all those going to climb mountains--about .05% of hunters.
The ONLY true lightweight hunting scope is the SWFA 2.5-10x at under 11 ounces. Tough as nails, too, and it doesn't cost 2K or more like most of these.
Get some rest Ron, Shot Show has you looking ruff!
Don’t care so much for all the new technology… I’m definitely old school and know how to zero a scope, hold over if necessary and can be on target without having to adjust turrets, look at my phone or talk to a spotter… and yes I keep my shots 400 yards and under for a reason.
Cool brag bro
Where's the fixed power scopes. I'd like some options there please. Come on Leupold, bring back the FX series.
My favorite scopes where the fx2 6x36.
I hear you, WYTAIL, but the simple truth is that so few people demand fixed power scopes that scope makers can't afford to build them. Overly complicated scopes are all the rage, mainly, I think, because too few users are hard core hunters and too many think they have to shoot anything they can see, regardless the distance. Many also believe they can't hit anything with less than 10X power and 30X is probably better. And if you con't have at least a 56mm objective, you won't pass enough light to see anything. Marketing works.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors It makes sense. I wish more hunters would try a fixed power and realize that you can shoot a long way at 6x. They are also light and simple.
Maybe if this comment gets 1,000 likes, we can get our product dev and sales teams on board!
@RonSpomerOutdoors Burris replied to my comment. 1000 likes and they'll look into a fixed power option.
Electronics are bound to fail.
An illuminated reticle is about as much as I’d want and more than necessary.
Vx 5 wind plex.
I’ve got one for sale on RokSlide
Most of us just wanna scope where we don’t see the black on the outside when we look through the scope.
When reviewing smart scopes, why doesn’t anyone mention that Gunwerks/Revic released a smart scope 8 years ago. Burris made a poor attempt to copy it using an old school dope chart that you must change manually as you change altitude. The Revic has on board atmospheric sensors that give you a true shoot too solution instantly no matter the conditions your in. Frustrating to see people copy others ingenuity and act as if there’s is revolutionary. There will always be leaders and there will be followers.
Asking the valid questions, what's the big deal with it, and why would I want it. Too many brand fawn
I’m surprised there are no 1x scopes coming out for the states that legalized them for muzzleloaders.
I've always wanted a 1:1 scope with an extremely large field of view. I've always shot with both eyes open and have never liked the object being farther away than it appears. I get it for long distance and the need for magnification, but I primarily hunt in dense woods. Losing your target in a mess of brush with magnification is no fun.
I've never seen enough difference between my naked eye view and a 2X scope that open eyes sighting has been compromised. Nor have I found 2X to slow target acquisition, even at 10 yards. But that's just me. If 2X is too much for you, use a 1.1 or 1.4X. Hope it works for you.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors All true. I do use a low power scope and I agree, not much of a difference. I'm just saying, I've always wanted a 1:1 scope. Having no parallax, can be a big deal finding your target. None of my low power scopes have a parallax adjustment so I have no experience with the effect from something like a 2X scope. I had never thought about whether parallax would be an issue with a 1:1.
@@howlinhog Parallax is rarely an issue at low magnifications because depth of focus is naturally greater without magnification. The higher the magnification and the more distant the target, the more parallax matters. For instance, a variable 2-12X set parallax free at 150 yards will project a sharp image of targets from 150 yards to infinity, roughly, when set on 12X. Because you've dialed out all parallax, the reticle will hover perfectly over your target. But look at a target at 50 yards or 25 yards and it will be grossly out of focus. If your eye isn't perfectly entered in the scope, your shot could be well off your "aiming" point. However, being one MOA off aiming point on a critter at 25 yards (1/4-inch) rarely results in a miss. Being off one MOA at 400 yards (4-inches) could be a miss.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thanks Ron. Your experience and technical knowledge is exactly why I subscribe to your channel. I'm just a Michigan country boy that grew up in a hunting family. I'm a really good shot, but that doesn't mean I have a complete understanding of the technical aspects of scopes. I am however a whole lot less ignorant after watching your channel. Thank you very much for your response, P.S. would love to see you spend some time with the Athlon chronograph.
I want the Burris eliminator 6 or veracity ph
Have the PH gen 2..Impressed so far..haven't tested in low light...Zeroed at a 100..inputed info on the Burris app...dialed for 200 yds and bang on...
@ I’ve wanted one since backfire did his review. Money will be the deciding factor when the time comes.
@@logansmith1362 1100 British Pounds so I'm guessing about 1400/1500 bucks?
I would love to see the hunting world actually do away with all the battery operated stuff , with light up reticle's and built in rangefinder...
The cellular cams that send real time pics !!!
Id love to see a movement geared twords more " fair chase" hunting without all the batteries and cell phone technology.
We absolutely do not need that much of a technological advantage over any wild animal we hunt !!!
Shotshow = Technology advanced yuppieville that probably requires batteries !!!
What is the possible point of making an illuminated reticle illegal? More wounded animals? I'm guessing not constitutional either.
Whats states are that burris illegal in???
For the XTR PS? For typical smokeless rifle hunting, none. And before people reply saying "nuh uh X states says it's illegal!" copy and paste the state statute that you claim would make it illegal.
From Idaho's big game regulations under weapon restrictions:
In any hunt, including any-weapon seasons, it is unlawful to
pursue or kill big game animals:
With any electronic device attached to, or incorporated in, the
firearm or scope; except scopes containing battery powered or
tritium lighted reticles are allowed.
So lighted reticle ok, heads up display in scope not allowed.
@@archeryhunter86- and small game allowed
@@TheStig505 wow! You really proved your point! Look at all the people who are impressed!
@@SammyMoore-tg5gs You want randos on the internet to be impressed by you? Sad.
Where are the lenses made 😉 Most scopes are made in China.
Funny how Ron’s best defence of Leupold’s reliability is a story about his scope losing zero by 8 INCHES. These people reviewing scopes need to elevate their standards, and call that sort of thing what it is; a scope failure. The scope’s job after all is to keep your shots on target.
Leupold is arguably the most overrated optics manufacturer there is(cough cough vortex). They are just not what they used to be. The good ol boys just can't help but see them as the best. Rose colored glasses.
Please tell me what brand of scope can take a fall onto naked rock or solid ice and hold zero.
@@chipsterb4946 maven RS 1.2, Nightforce (all of them), Trijicon has several, SWFA has a few as well. Check out the RokSlide drop test.
@chipsterb4946 sure sure I have seen even a freedom take a hell of a beating and be fine. I have owned many leupies. The propensity for lemons is much higher now. To much slop and weight saveing materials. I cant fault the mark series though.
How is that a scope failure? Likely 10 out of 10 scopes would have "scope failure" in that scenario. Or what don't I know.
Its not 168 fps it go's as low as 68fps so even archers and air guns/pellet guns can them
I have _zero_ interest in products that are made in a country that shall remain nameless.
This includes "Assembled in.....". That is _NOT_ the same as *"Made in....".* Do not be fooled, folks. However, I understand why these products are included. Not everyone can or is willing to spend that much money based on personal principle.
Nevertheless, thank you gentlemen and ma'am for the coverage. We know SHOT Show can be arduous.
Stay classy my friends.
I only need two knobs on my scope
It's mind boggling how they can keep making stuff and pumping it to the consumer. I have several friends that own between 80 and 100 firearms apiece. Total acquisition disorders. Keep buying and buying redundant products just to satisfy the compulsive buying disorders of theirs.
Guys, I have to admit: I don't understand you acting like you're an authority about these products instead of just letting the actual authorities give us the details on them. Awkward.
That requires appointments or catching a rep free..... not easy
It's called "peaking intrest" in the episode.
@@BadKarma.- Easy as hell when you're Ron Spomer. You let them know that you'd like to feature them for one of your YT videos and ask when it's convenient. They figure out a time on the spot so that they can get that kind of exposure/coverage. This stuff is very straightforward - it's just doing business, and that's what they're there for, after all.
Don’t know how I feel about the commentary on Leupold. Everyone knows their durability/reliability is a complete joke. I just want a simple 2-8 or 3-9 vx5 that holds zero without a paper thin tube. I don’t care if it’s heavier.
*Edit*
I should not have said everyone knows, or implied that every Leupold scope can have or will have reliability issues. In my opinion, it is a well enough known problem Leupold needs to do something to address it considering they’re a premium scope brand and manufacturer.
Westerner, if you want a scope with a thicker skin, check out Nightforce. I hear they emphasize durability. Personally, I've hunted with many, many Leupolds since the 1980s and have never had one fail, not even the one I slammed into the rocks of an AK glacial river. I knocked it off sight by 8 inches or so, but after I re-zeroed, it held, I shot my moose, and that scope is still going strong. So I can't complain.
That's why people have choices. If you want a heavy duty scope buy one. For those who want a reasonably lightweight scope for hunting leupold does that pretty well. Myself I like lightweight and never had much trouble even my 20 something year old bushnell elite 3200 stills works well.
@ I’ve had to send two back to Leupold. One doesn’t have to search very hard to find that my experience is not an exception, there’s a guy on rokslide that tests all kinds of scopes extensively and has never had a Leupold pass even the beginning stages of a torture test.
Their older VariX scopes were very durable and weighted reasonably, I still have a few of them and haven’t had any issues.
I’ve since moved onto The Schmidt and bender Klassik scopes, but I still would rather have a gold ring on my model 70 if they were built better
@@Westerner_ Had to send my VX6 back after it leaked water into it!
Everybody? Really?
My Leupold VX6HD 3x18x44 has been flawless since purchase 3 years ago - and I've shot and hunted a lot with it. It sits upon a 300WM Tikka Wideland Veil.
I respect your experience but mine have been completely different.
Ive had 3 burris scopes 2 of them fogged, now i own none and never will again complete junk
What models did you have that gave you trouble so I know to avoid them?
This is terrible! This is the opposite of what we strive for. All of our riflescopes come with a Forever Lifetime warranty with no questions asked. Send them in and we will repair or replace for you. We are sorry you had this experience and would like to make it right.
Leupold pricing is stupid.
What everyday American hunter is going to pay 2 grand for a scope. A fool that buys a scope instead of paying bills.
People need to stop paying for any gun accessories with stupid prices. If we stop paying stupid money, the price will drop.
Brands are a fad in their marketing hipe and boils down to ripping you off.
Stop buying stupid, and take care of your family .
Especially when it isn't even close to as good as the other optics in that price range
Yeah! Stop paying for quality items!
@@SammyMoore-tg5gs the VX series aren't quality lmao
@@BadKarma.- they have a certain quality.
@@SammyMoore-tg5gs Not enough to warrant their price. Both mine have lost 0 on minor bumps
The volume on This show sucks
If only it was adjustable
Why didn't you show each scopes optics. Just showing a scope is stupid. Just saying.
Not something easy to do at a show like this
Millionaires are not watching your show. Regular guys who hunt, want a good hunting scope. That's it. So far your opinions so far suck.
I can relate to n agree with the thought there,while you or me may never be able to afford the VX6 or or other high end scopes can always Drool n wish. Giving something to work towards
The Fulfield is definitely not a scope aimed at millionaires. I think they covered a nice range of optics in this video. I typically look for scopes in the $600 -$800 range and most of these companies have something in that range. I watch all of Ron’s videos and think he does a great job of covering the full range of prices.
Try that excuse at a mom and pop gun store trying to make a living. How many POS scopes do they have to sell and to get return customers to stay in business?
I’m not a millionaire, but I know how to save money to buy quality items. It’s easy with this one simple trick! What you do is, when you go to buy a lesser quality good, you just keep the money instead!
I've owned a lot of brands over the years including Tasco, Bushnell, B&L, Burris, Leupold and Sightron. Today I own just two brands. Swarovski and Zeiss. Quality is worth it and Leupold doesn't cut it.
Loopold, blah! They suck.
Hell of an argument
Anyone who knows optics knows he's right
@@HazardousRob didn’t say he was wrong, and, in fact, I agree with him. I’m selling my last Leupold scope right now.
But just saying something sucks without providing the reasons why they suck is a poor way of providing an opinion.