How Bad Was The Jagdtiger?
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- Much like the Jagdpanzer Ferdinand we talked about last month, the Jagdtiger was designed to act as a sort of heavy StuG, using its thick armor and powerful gun to attack both fortifications and tanks directly. The Jagdtiger was based on the chassis of the Tiger II (colloquially known as the King Tiger), and unfortunately inherited its problems. Surely it would at least be better than the Ferdinand, right? Don't get your hopes up.
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Jagdpanzer 38 to Jagdtiger (Panzer Tracts No.9) - Thomas L. Jentz, Hilary Louis Doyle
Germany’s Tiger Tanks: VK45.02 to Tiger II - Thomas L. Jentz, Hilary Louis Doyle
Tiger I and Tiger II - Anthony Tucker-Jones
German Tanks of World War II - Michael Green
Encyclopedia Of German Tanks Of WW2 - Peter Chaimberlain, Hilary Louis Doyle
Tiger Tanks at War - Michael Green, James D. Brown
Elefant, Jagdtiger, Sturmtiger - Wolfgang Schneider
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People discussing how bad was Jagdtiger - talk about technical side of things. Reliability, logistics, production, allied airpower and soviet artillery.
Reality of how bad was Jagtiger - no demand for such vehicle, no battlefield and doctrinal niche to fill, no opponent that only it would counter.
The truth is that even if Jagdtiger had no technical drawbacks, Gwrmany had resources to fuel and produce it, infrastructure would be able to transport it and opposition had neither air superiority, nor superiority in numbers, it would STILL be as "effective" as constructing a 500m tall purple dildo in the center of Berlin.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the work this man is doing to entertain us. This man is playing to most mind breaker tank in war thunder to educate us.
Ok I still don't have enough money to buy it loo
Damn their products are overpriced compared to competitors, what a shame. Its absurd how expensive it is for the parts you get
we like hearing about the bad tanks, because we already know they are bad, yet still get surprised they are even worse than we thought.
Our expectations were low but holy fuck
@@legaroojack1251 Our expectations were low but holy fuck they managed to make that bar subterranean
You assume we all know enough about land vehicles to know which tanks are good and bad. Bold of you. I mean, my specialty is warships not tanks, so...
How it is worse? Allieboo
@@darklysm8345 He never mentioned a nation though, he just said in a general sense ‘bad tanks’. Malding much?
If I am not mistaken, the 128mm was so heavy, it couldn't be installed in the mantlet. So, unlike any other tank destroyer, a platform was installed to basically carry the gun, thus drastically increasing weight of the vehicle.
Not wrong. If you look at the ingame armor model you can actually see where the lower side plate behind the tracks was extended up right under the main front plate to carry all that weight of the armor and the gun mount.
Another tidbit is that the gun was so heavy, that for any travelling at all the travel lock needed to be used to prevent the elevation mechanism from getting damaged. Not that it helped *that* much given that damaged elevation gears were still frequent during marches and even in short engagements.
Russians had 122mm before them, and a 152 howitzer used for direct shots as well. Everyone idolized the tiger, but they built it to battle the superior Russian tanks. Nobody idolized Russian tanks. Really weird
@@headphonesz6527 Russian tanks werent "superior" in any particular way. They were definitely powerful, but also incredibly crude. Russians did on average have larger guns available, but even a 122mm A-19 and D-25 barely match the armor penetration of the German 8.8cm L/71, but is hindered by long reload times from large two-piece ammo.
Besides, Tiger I was armored specifically against Soviet 76mm guns, primarily F-34 and ZiS-5 tank guns, and 76mm ZiS-3 and F-22 field guns, as larger guns were typically not used in the anti-tank role anyway, and all of those guns have roughly just under 100mm of penetration (and the Tigers frontal armor is 100mm.)
Tiger Is idolization also comes mainly from wartime propaganda giving it a scary reputation, both with Germans as well as opposing forces, resulting in a lot of tanks being misidentified as Tigers. A funny one was a picture of a Panzer IV H with skirt armor, photographed by the Soviets and captioned "A fascist Panzer IV maliciously disguised as a Tiger I in order to try and fool our brave troops." (they just talked that way).
But if you go to Russia today they primarily idolize Russian tanks to the point of sometimes deliberately talking badly about German tanks beyond fact.
The truth is somewhere in between. Tiger I was a good design when it came out, but it was not future-proofed very well and at the end of the war it could be countered fairly well.
@Builder I think their research came from World of Tanks.
@@simonkevnorris Thats why Im educating them.
If you read the operation reports from sPzjr Abt.512 & 653rd, the primary mechanical failure of Jagdtigers was it's final drive, secondary was track breakage. Engine problems proved a comparablely minor cause of mechanical failure or loss. Combat losses were quite low mainly due to the fact most broke down and were abandoned before combat.
The 512 & 653rd sPzJr Abteilung's records show the following losses: (highest to lowest): 20 mechanical failure outside of combat, 17 abandoned and self-destroyed due to lack of fuel, 11 mechanical failure while seting up for combat (mainly track breakage), 9 surrendered to US forces (ie. in good running order at the end of war), 6 lost due to battle damage (mobility kills), 4 unknown loss, 3 mechanical failure during field march, 3 destroyed by enemy tanks or TD, 2 loss due to artillery indirect fire (engine hits/ fire), 1 aircraft rocket attack, 1 infantry (bazooka), 1 bridge collapse.
A couple of interesting lesser known losses -- the 1st Jagdtiger lost was destroyed by a lowly infantryman with a bazooka. Another being a rather spectacular kill by an Allied fighter bomber pilot who actually fired his rockets into a Jagdtiger's open rear hatch while the crew was reloading ammunition into the vehicle!
Its ironic how the best posts with the most facts get the fewest thumbs up.
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I remember hearing a story about a jagtiger crew that got themselves killed.
Apparently since the driver was so fresh from recruitment camps he didn't really know what he was doing so after they crest a hill and started getting shot at he tried to turn the tank around to retreat however the second the side was full on to the enemy it got blasted.
Edit wow I did not expect this to get this many replies or likes. Also I would like to point out the first reply gives a source as to where the story came from.
That story is from Otto Carius autobiography, as he narrates how that happened to the JagdTiger which was in squad with the one he was in, to his own dismay.
why didn't he just back up instead of turning around?
@@boss9mustang404
Backing up when you can't see what's behind you is scary? Doesn't know how without someone guiding him?
@@boss9mustang404 incompetent caused by lack of training and rash action
I've seen this pretty often in Post Scriptum, an inexperienced driver can really screw things up.
You also forgot to mention that the lack of nickel in the armor plates led to shattered plates. Theres an image out there somewhere of a jagdtiger that was struck by some American 155mm artillery and almost the whole left plate looks like it shattered like glass.
155mm was deployed in an anti-tank role?
@@Zorro9129 the 155mm was deployed in an anti-anything role
@@Zorro9129 Likely a direct hit from plunging 155mm Long Tom fire. I've heard stories of Tiger 1's having 155mm round blow up next to them tossing them away like rag dolls.
Show me allieboo. Muh bad cracking armor myth is hilarious.
@@darklysm8345 this is literally high school chemistry
This tank is the epitome of, “But why tho”
Presumably because the Germans in 1943 when it was proposed thought the allies would come up with more powerful tanks than they actually did.
Killing everything Allies had at all ranges without dying to return fire in a crew-starved country. It'd have done that if Germans already weren't on their last legs with no air cover.
@@lyndoncmp5751 these German beast tanks all were bad because of rush, no time to fix problems, inexperienced crews, not enough time to mass produce. Probably in an head on a against a jagdtiger and any allied tank (not an is3, I don't think that tank saw any action) would never win. Considering all tanks had experienced crews, no mechanical problems, each aspect of each tank preforming at its best.
@@SCLHP666 uh, they couldn’t mass produce these. They quite literally didn’t have the logistical ability to do so. Not to mention only a few of them massively depleted their metal reserves, and they could have made hundreds of Tigers or Panthers with the supplies alone. Sure they had issues with numbers and crews, but their underlying issue was supply, and at the stage this tank was produced, it was the most idiotic thing Germany could do. The few Jagdtigers produced depleted their metal supply by percentage points.
Because of the IS-3, Tortoise, T28, etc. The Germans didn't know the specifics of these vehicles, but they were correct in guessing that the Allies might be developing next generation heavy armour for the final assault on the homeland and had the Allies been stalled at Germany's borders and European war dragged on into late 45 then all three of these vehicles would most likely have been deployed in combat.
The whole point of the 128mm PaK 44 was to stay ahead of the gun armour race and it was logical to want to mount it in a tank destroyer - however the vehicles it was expected to counter did not see service because the war ended.
Wish the next one of the series could be a British Tank, like the Churchill or the Matilda.
Overall I am a lot interested in the first one with the models I, III, VII and AVRE.
Sorry for my english.
as far as I remember the Churchill was quite gud
The cruiser tanks in general could be interesting.
@@nedsteven4622 never heard of her
@@paraphrasition Churchill I & II were pretty poor, III onwards got good, Churchill VII was fantastic
Or the Cromwell. Kinda curious about it, is it a sherman copy basically, or is it worse or better
To be honest, it wasn't the only one "stupid heavy TD with overkill gun" of WW2. Americans had T28, Brits had Tortoise, Soviets had several prototypes of ISU with long 122, 130 or 152mm guns.
Tho it was the only one put into "mass" production.
T28/95 was a SPG not a TD.
@@sosogo4real it was meant to break the siegfried line (not an spg but more like a super heavy assault tank)
Funny how opposing countries came to essentially the same conclusion completely independently of each other.
There were far more ISU-122 and ISU-152 made.
Less than 80 Jadgtigers were made. It wasn't mass produced.
T28 and Tortoise were not tank destroyers. Both were heavy assault tanks. The German equivalent were the Sturmpanzers; particularly the Sturmtiger.
The ISU-122/152 were likewise heavy assault guns + self propelled artillery and were very successful. The German equivalents were again the Sturmpanzer like the Brummbar, or the StuH with the 105mm cannon.
The Jagdtiger by contrast was always meant to be a head to head tank hunter.
These stories remind me of playing RTS games where you have to make a choice between putting a heap of resources into researching and producing a new unit. OR producing more, less powerful units, faster and cheaper. Depending on the tactical and economic situation.
A ppc between tech año numbers
These tanks were BEASTS, even though they had a bad transmission, bad engine, bad gun traverse and elevation systems…..
If you aim the gun, they die, if you catch on fire upon leaving the factory, well… you get the idea
They were failures, worse then Ferdi. The gun of the Ferdi made sense at least, the 128mm was just retarded.
Looked cool though
@@waterdotzable
Good looks won't do you any good out on the battlefield
@@Vlad_-_-_ they up the gun due to reports of the IS-2 and some Churchill tanks surviving 88mm hits.
The StuG was good enough for dealing with M4 and the T-34/85.
No matter how bad the Jagdtiger was. You can't deny it looks really cool
Nah,the Jagdpanther beats it at that.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 no
That's literally the only reason I like German tanks so much. I genuinely couldn't care for how shit they were in battle. If it looks cool, it is cool.
"Did you hear that, Hans? 75 years later, long after we're dead and our country has been utterly conquered by our enemies, American and British teenagers will be agape at how cool we looked! They might even buy model kits to decorate their bedrooms and have throwaway arguments with people on "The Internet" about it!"
"Yes Franz. All this will be worth it some day."
@@superflybrothermj i got tje tiger 2 only because it looks cool xd
Aside from a particularly impressive long-rang (4km at most) engagement against a US armored column in April of '45, where 4 jagdtigers of the 512th Heavy Panzerjäger Battalion engaged from hull-down and scored a 41/1 K/D, with 1 Jagdtiger lost to an American ground attack mission (P-47), the Jagdtiger was just too little too late. Kind of like the Ferdinand it was useful in its original role, bunker busting, and as a static gun faced towards opponents who could not pen its armor except at very close range, if then. The Jagdtiger just was limited due to its immense technical issues and logistic problems, something Otto Carius outlines in his book.
No it was not too late it was a piece of shit.
So war thunder is historically accurate after all, USA players pussying out and start to Cas spamming
Love how you adjusted the wiki numbers to make the battle seem better. 11 Sherman tanks and 30 light skinned vehicles. Then glossing over the fact that the unit had to surrender a few days later.
source?
I was going to mention this
Thank you
I never understood why you would take a tank that is in theory far more powerful than anything it fought and just make it bigger, resulting in lower reliability. I can understand that while the 88mm was good enough for anti tank use, the 128mm could have been more effective at killing emplacements, but i think it‘s was sure when the Jagdtiger entered production that Germany wasn‘t going to run into heavily fortified lines in the near future.__.
Hitler kept investing in attacked styled weapons for some reason, I'm not sure why
well the issue was political people getting involved in the tank design/procurement, who wanted bigger guns and armor. The actual army guys were advocating for other stuff.
However, the line of thinking isn't entirely flawed. Germany was never going to win the war with numbers, so superior equipment is their best bet in a bad situation.
There is also the important principle of *Being ahead of the curve* Having equipment that can deal with current vehicles is good enough, until your enemies come at you with better stuff, at which point you need better stuff.. So every army was doing major experimentation to develop things that could deal with the next generation or upgrades. just in case.
@@sinclair2469 Inertia, most of these projects were started when Germany was on the offensive and looting masses of Soviet oil. When they come into service however the table has turned and Germany is on the defensive.
@@dessertfoxo4096 Thanks to the Soviets sabotaging their oil wells while retreating, Germany managed to pump less oil than they produced synthetically from coal. So not much at all.
@@thesayxx The Germans were able to get a lot of wells working again, esspecaly in Ukraine around Kyve. Around 1942-43 the amount of raw oil it's self wasn't a problem, it was the refining capacity and transport of it.
The Soviets concentrated their refinaries Crimea and Caucuses which they where roothless in destroying along with any pipelines heading towards the west.
'How Bad Was The Jagdpanzer IV?' Considering the Pz.IV's rather troubled suspension I'd love to hear about this.
Or the StuG IV?
Depends on the model. It's well known enough that the version that mounted the Panthers L/70 cannon was badly front heavy and tore it's transmission to bits. The version that used the Panzer 4's L/48 cannon faired much better mobility wise thanks to the lower weight gun.
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That an over exaggeration. In fact the biggest issue was the nose heavy front wearing the rubber off the front road wheels but they solved that by replacing them with all steel wheels.
The Jagdpanzer IV L/70 was a very good ank destroyer and better than the M18 and M10.
Jagdpanzer IV's design history on its own is convoluted and mind-bogglingly bad as-is. Basically at one point you had the Stug IV, Jagdpanzer IV, and the Paner IV J (which deleted the electric motor for turning the turret so was a TD in most combat situations) all being produced at the same time using the same chassis and same gun but somehow not the same vehicle.
That said, the Panzer IV (70) - the Jagdpanzer with the Panther cannon - was a very underrated vehicle and consolidating all Panzer IV chassis to this model would likely have served Germany better than more Stugs, Panzer IVs, or Panthers - and would have done so at a reasonable price. Thing is, the Nazis hated sensible consolidation and wanted duplicates and pointless redundancy in everything.
Having stood next to this monster at Bovington, it is awe inspiring. It makes tigerII and jagdpanther look puny in comparison
Went to Bovington a couple of years ago and I never really got how tall tanks were until that moment
I'm 6.3, so I towered over things like the Tetrarch and the Panzer 2, but Tiger 131, the sherman used in fury, and the Centurion that was cut in half made me feel tiny
Yea it was quite well armoured, but USS Pennsylvania could still penetrate it :D
And the Prinz eugen
I am forgetting Is this an iron Armenian thing?
@@TheArbiter1721 it is :D
@@Rosenrot_raccoon gotcha
But the Jagdtiger wasn't the pride of the German Navy
Ahh yes, the Jagdtiger. My favorite -mobile- bunker
Ngl bro, this bunker kina shit, MG firing arcs are too limited
Much prefer the previous King Tiger Bunkers smh
"Hanz, command wants us to escape from the Americans with the tanks, so we can help fight the Russians!"
"Is the Engine on fire, Fred?"
"No..?"
"Are you sure? Check again. The Eastern Front can wait a few more minutes."
"..I think you're right, Hanz, that engine DOES look like it's on fire!"
It probably would have done at least well, if not marvelously, if 1) it had faced primarily heavy tanks like it was designed for and 2) it had been crewed by people at least as experienced as those who crewed the Ferdinands.
It's hard to tell if either of those wouldve helped considering the mechanical unreliability. Suspension was overloaded, the power plant was insanely overworked and fuel supply lines were short. Crew experience and proper deployment can only work if the vehicle can actually make it out to the field.
The idea had some merit given the arrival of heavy tanks like the IS series. Both the Ferdinand and the Jadgtiger could be deadly if the were in the right position on the defense. The problem was that Germany no longer had the fuel to move such behemoths tactically nor strategically, nor the strategic materials to make them reliable, nor the support units they needed to prtect their flanks, nor the air cover to protect them and their supporting transports from air attack.
Much like the heavy tanks they were meant to counter they proved to be an expensive and ineffective dead end as the concept of the MBT took over.
Some of them were crewed by ex-Ferdinands crews, and they hated it.
or not make such a behemoth in the first place xD. If it had like 5cm less armour on all places i think it would have done much better.
People discussing how bad was Jagdtiger - talk about technical side of things. Reliability, logistics, production, allied airpower and soviet artillery.
Reality of how bad was Jagtiger - no demand for such vehicle, no battlefield and doctrinal niche to fill, no opponent that only it would counter.
The truth is that even if Jagdtiger had no technical drawbacks, Gwrmany had resources to fuel and produce it, infrastructure would be able to transport it and opposition had neither air superiority, nor superiority in numbers, it would STILL be as "effective" as constructing a 500m tall purple dildo in the center of Berlin.
'How bad was the Jagdti-'
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Germany: *Makes any tank*
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Just for some corrections here
1:00
- The Jagdtiger has nothing to do with Stugs: It was meant to be a Jagdpanzer for the replacement of the no longer produced Ferdis.
3:04 Jagdtigers do not had double helical final drives! Nor do any german tanks due to lack of helical gear cutting tools. all used spur gears.
However there was indeed a technical difference there. Panthers got the two gear type which shown on the example drawning. Tigers got an additional planetary reduction gear set in their final drives. Jagdtiger and Kingtiger final drives were identical and I am sure that KT had spur type gears as it is how the KT in Thun has them.
3:58
Jagdtigers did not seen combat in 1944.
1945 Jan 09 Attack by Jagdtiger at the area of Rimling. This is the earliest date could be found in the unit logs of Schwere Panzerjager Abtailung 653
4:20
Claimed kills for Jagdtiger units were:
Around 200 for Abtailung 653
Around 150 for Abtailung 512
Sources used:
Andrew Devey Jagdtiger: The most poverfull Armoured vehicle of wwII
Walter Spielberger: Heavy Jagdpanzer.
uhuh. Your sources are:
- a wehrboo book by an author who has never had anything else published and I struggle to verify even exists
- Another wehrboo (is it wehrboo if he was in the wehrmacht tho?) "historian" who stopped writing in 1998
TL;DR: Your sources are trash
@@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1 Do you have anything better then?
Judging by your "wehraboo" attitude only german equipment trashing sources fits your preferences.
Go on get a life. Bigot!
And for some points here.
It does not discredits a book if the writter is only published one. To be clear I would pick up a book from someone writing about one tank but in detail than from someone who is writing about all of them but in a more careless way.
What do you struggle to verify in existence? The book or the writer? How do you know about his only published book then?
Yes Spielberg does not released books after 1998, he was 73 years old at that time and passed away in 2005, 7 years later.
So it was more likelly that he cancelled due to health related issues.
@@venator5 IDK about the other possible mistakes, but I really do not trust the kill scores. Especially German ones. If they really had such good K/Ds as they claim they would have at least slowed down the advance of the USSR or US. But they rarely did.
@@CharcharoExplorer probably overclaimed was quite common in ww2 sometimes on purpose and sometimes not
@@nicol7651 Yeah I know. Sometimes its just a mistake. Other times its an attempt at propaganda.
Thank you, I don't know if you listened to me personally, but I'm glad you could do this topic!!
I would like to see a video done on the final heavy tank ever sent to production and accepted into service (I think also might just be last made in general) the American M103. With its unique and odd looking design, its a wonder how the American heavy tanks changed looks so drastically over the years. I've heard quite a bit about how terrible they were.
You mean American heavy? The Soviet T-10 was made in the 50's.
Final American heavy*
The M103 is really special in a way seeing as it's M58 cannon was one of the most powerful 120mm guns in the world at its time and was still so powerful 20 years later that it was a close contest between the M58 120mm and the M60 Pattons M68 105mm to see which gun that was going to be installed in the M1 Abrams.
@@onebigfatguy Pretty sure the French 120mm was more powerful.
@@diesirae8954 Doubt it. When they were doing tests to see if they could re-arm the M103 the US armored board sourced several different guns. If I remember the tests right the M58 smoked all of them and tied with the M68/L7 105mm so they just left the M58 as is.
I think the engine overheating/fire problem was intended to be rectified via the use of Allied tears from trying to fight the Jagdtiger. Of course, few tears were shred lol
Probably a few were shed from laughter.
thank you for the upload and info dump, mr spooky
Great video as always!
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Great videos! Keep it up man!
It's too bad that the tank-destroyer was a technical dead end shortly after WW2. If nothing else these machines are one of my favorite developments for armored warfare.
They were only made because they were far cheaper to produce than tanks. After ww2 this economic element was no longer in effect.
The Swedes didn't think so, and they developed their S-103 "tank"...which was designed to counter invading Soviet armor. Looks like a tank destroyer to me.
love these videos, ty algorythm for the channel
I've been binging these all day.
The Fact that when you angle a jagtiger in front it can even bounce the heat shells
In one game I used this and bounced like 20 or 25 shots 5 of them are heat shells but too bad we lost :(
I really like these videos, I think you should one on either the IS-4, Amx50 (and all its variants) or the Conqueror, leaning to the latter two tho because you never really discussed french or British tanks
The AMX 50 never saw production nor combat. It would be completely useless to make a video.
The AMX 13 on the other hand would make a more interesting video
@@TheKenji2221 the AMX 50 did saw production mate, it even participated in a military parade and one ''Surbaissé'' variant is still on display
I'd love to see you do a video on the Jagdpanzer IV. My favorite tank, plus it has an interesting history.
Alternate universe: jadgtiger is 6.3. What's the worst that could happen?
erika starts playing the backround
Downtiered to 5.7… death of the universe.
@@lawrence.ap28 P-47: Allow me to introduce myself.
@@lawrence.ap28 tiger 1 downtiered to 4.0
@@mrs9935 I’d like to see that lol. Then we can call the jagdtiger the “boom box”
It would cool if you made a video about the jagdpanzer iv/70 its one of my favourite tank and one of the least talked about
Day just started, spookston uploaded a new vid 15 min ago, yep, good start to the morning
Amazing video
When I was in Benning there was a shot up one of these in the armor yard. Had three smacks into it's front glacis and turret about the size of my first.
The Jagdtiger is my favorite TD to run with due to its superb pen and excellent armor. It's slow to reload, but when I consistently get a kill every shot it's worth the tradeoff.
4:09
A jagdtiger knocked out with a 1911, Saving Private Ryan critics eat your hearts out!
Imagine how many AT guns they could have made more the cost of one of these
a really good idea would be how good/bad would be the churchill/cromwell/matilda because they played a significant role in WW2.
Again, ZF transmission werent the problem, only the people who used them (less experienced) and the HUUUGE workload required to properly maintain them
Frontal transmission is a massive design flaw if you dont provide a generous access to it ! (Like on M42 chassis and M113)
Otto Carius also scored the most with the JagdTiger ! His books provide a lot of feedback for this tank
His books provide a lot of feedback for this tank and also complain about the issues regarding of this tank
That poor sherman at 3:46 and great video.
The best description that I have heard of the Jagdtiger is that it was an affront to logistics men everywhere.
Can you do an everything wrong with video on the Star Citizen Nova Tank? That'd be a neat watch
Hmm id like to see the SU SPG series. I like using those type of tanks
Short answer: Giant waste of metal and fuel
Drop in the bucket considering how much they wasted on rockers etc.
Idk if you ever done such thing but can you make a serie for beings to change about there settings to make it better.
Like the plane thing where it doesnt correct you when you fly to low and all
How bad was (insert late war german heavy anything)
it was bad because (insert issue with engine or transmission here)
also, inexperienced crew
Anyone else notice how aphe fragments no longer damage the engine, transmission, or breach of vehicles anymore. After rewatching these older videos I noticed the aphe seems more dangerous
Waiting for this one
It is interesting to add that previous to the famous Challenger longest scored kill which is the current record today. The previous record was set by a Jagdtiger, it killed an allied tank at almost 4km of distance. Insane for a WW2 tank. Thank the 128mm instead I guess.
I am saddened anytime a vehicle regardless of it's country of origin is produced just to be fielded and do nothing but become a heap of scrap metal.
Yay new speak torque upload
I didnt realize it was a new video
I hope you will made a video about the Churchill too
the thing why there was so little cannons for it was that they used the 80 leftover cannons from the maus project and i believe a few long barrel 88mm's
Awesome 😎
looks scary I imagine the kick and the sound that big ole gun made
Spookston, do you have any tips for playing these turretless TD's? I notice that I only do well with these things when I push aggressively on the more flat urban maps
Otto Carius described the incredibly strong 128mm cannon in his autobiography.
there was a Sherman hiding behind a house. Carius fired at the Sherman's position. The 128mm shell went through 2 walls and destroyed the Sherman.
sorry for my bad English
Hey Spookston, please make a vid bout the Dicker Max.
Spookston should just make an entire video where he only talks about apex gaming...
The German heavy tanks where basically mass produced prototypes. The German tanks based off the tiger chassis where the basis of all modern tank design
Completely false
I'm too absorbed with your Warthunder video lol
Can you do a talk about the E100 or Maus? i would like to see you talk about them
I'm feeling that this tank needed to go on a serious diet. It had a very good long range gun, so it could forgo thick armour. It might just have needed bullet and shrapnel proof at the side (1.5cm) and back, and then anti tank rifle thickness at the front (5cm).
Reckon you'd end up with a 45 tonne oddity which might have some niche role on the Eastern front.
Maybe something to hold in penny packets in reserve 30km back. Activate them in case of a breakthrough. An excellent gun with a strong morale effect on a chassis engineered to carry 55 t and up. They would anchor the defence with flown in paratroopers acting as supporting infantry.
What say you?
Could you do a video on a Cold War era mbt? Could be cool
I want to see this tank in Enlisted that would be crazy
I had my volume muted and yet I still heard the intro music and the gun firing, expecting his voice to chime in. I guess I'm just too used to that.
I just love hitting this thing in the tracks and penning the back hatch.
German engineers tend to get lots of flak for designing vehicles that had overkill guns, unreasonably lots of armor, and were expensive. It is easy to see the flaws of their thinking in hindsight, however, from world war 1 up to the end of ww2, tanks continuously grew larger and stronger, year by year, sometimes even months by months. From the perspective of that age, designing a tank that had an overkill gun and an unreasonable amount of armor simply meant designing a tank 1 or at most 2 years into the future. The war ended before a worthy adversary (the IS-3, as the video states) to the JT's gun and armor was fielded by the Allies. Had the Germans faced the IS-3 in battle, the JT might have been much more appreciated than it really is, even with all its faults.Trying to be very reasonable, and designing vehicles for the given moment, like my own country did, meant designing vehicles that were obsolete by the time production even began, and expense of production doesn't mean much when the main issue is not the number of tanks that can be produced but fuel for them. It's odd that while the video vaguely mentions logistical and mechanical issues, it does not shed light on three major problems the JT, as well as all other super-heavies faced: most bridges could not support their weight, they could not be towed if they broke down, and transporting them via trains was very problematic.
Indeed. And the Germans were actually designing these things before the strategic situation changed. The Jagdtiger had a proto mock up in late 1943, when the Germans were still deep in Russia's wide open spaces.
Tank classification changes to reflect the reality that the beasts were getting bigger. By 1949, for example, the US Army reclassified its AFVs, on the basis of their basis gun size...so 75 and 76 mm gun tanks were "light" (M24, M41 "Walker Bulldog"), 90 mm gun tanks (M26, M46, M47, and early M48s) were "medium" tanks, and 105 mm and 120 mm were "heavy" gun tanks (M103). Interesting that the M41 "light tank" was as heavy as the French Char B1 "Heavy" tank that preceded it by about 12 years.
Make a video about the Jagdpanther next.
That’s why I love WWII German war machines: over the top, unreliable and logistical nightmares, look like absolute monsters, and then you don’t even feel bad when you realize how bad they actually were on the battlefield, because you know, I quite like to know that the Nazis wasted money, time and resources on really cool museum pieces instead of contributing to the war effort.
To give it some credit: it probably was the only german weapon that could take on the IS-3 (but didn't obviously). It's truly the smallest of advantages but it is one.
Only really the jagdtiger fits the bill of actually being bad on the battlefield, and that was mostly because of poorly trained crews. The panther and tiger were overall pretty effective tanks and the tiger ii was effective whenever it actually managed to see combat. Even the Ferdinand was pretty good in it's role when it reached the battlefield, the Soviets were terrified of them
@@waterdotzable yeah IF
@@waterdotzable The soviets stopped being scared once their IL2s arrived, unimpeded because the luftwaffe is nowhere to be seen
@@Ben-mw9vz doesn't really change how a tank crewman views that tank. With that logic American crews wouldn't have cared about facing tigers
Nothing better than having a Vehicle with overkill gun on your side. Make that baby go boom.
Enemy CAS on the other side...
@Spookston why the subnautica music in the background ?
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Speaking of German TDs, how about a video on the Jagdpanther? It seems to have been the most successful casemate design, with many of the issues of the early Panthers being eliminated. iirc, the majority of Jagdpanther losses were to crew scuttling or surrenders.
Also the most aesthetically pleasing of tank destroyers.
German tank without transmission issue called wunderwaffe
It had a good gun, good armor, but couldn’t even drive itself off the production line
@@lawrence.ap28 yeah coastal cannons has good gun and good armor too
@@serdarcam99 yeah and those don’t even NEED to move, they just do their job, unlike the jagdtiger which was SUPPOSED to be a landship, but it didn’t go very well…
i feel like at some point its just better to have a pulled anti tank gun eventho it has less armour it works better with cover and lower profile
by theoretical top speed do you mean if it was dropped of a cliff ?
Watch the footage of them in Iserlohn or on the British testing ground. They are going along pretty fast. It surprised me.
Interesting
The jagtiger was amazing. I had the highest kill to death ratio on that tank of all my WoT tanks.
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Lots of opinions regarding the Jagdtiger or Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B. It was the heaviest AFV produced during the war (72 tonnes). Its difficult to rate this vehicle because so few were produced (around 80 or so), It didn't see action untill late 1944.
The vehicle's main gun the 128 mm Pak 44 L/55, gave it tremendous firepower, it actually had a better hit percentage then both the 88 mm and 105 mm guns respectively. There were loads of flaws in its design, its underpowered engine, lack of a traversable turret, excessive weight and a significant shortage of skilled hardened personnel to operate them, greatly contributed to its limitations and flaws. Its weight limited the terrain the vehicle could travel on, its slow speed and large profile made it easy prey for allied aircraft. Despite the firepower, its main gun had to be re-calibrateed after traveling off-road for even short distances, plus the gun had to be locked down when the vehicle performed maneuvers or else the mounting brackets would wear out too fast reducing it's accuracy. It really was more of a hindrance than anything else.
Had there been more time available, its possible Germany could of improved its design and perhaps find an efficient use for it (for its intended role at least) but personally I think it was just too damm heavy and slow to be honest.
This wasn't considered a tank this was a tank destroyer, problem was by this time Germany's fate was already sealed they didn't even have the resources or war material necessary to replace the losses they were already sustaining on both the Eastern and western fronts
Because don't forget the Panther tank early on was plagued with technical and mechanical issues initially when debuted in 1943 (Battle of Kursk) by late 1943-44 most of the issues were fixed, from that point forward, the Panther became one of the most lethal, medium tanks ever produced.
Interesting how you ignore its 400:1 kill ratio and experimental fin stabilized rounds
Is this some kind of a joke or something?
Nice joke man you really got me
Can't tell if joke Wehraboo or just Wehraboo.
Even with its flaws, the JagdTiger is my favorite tank(destroyer) of all time, because it looks so bloody cool!
Next video idea: How ̶B̶a̶d̶ Good Was The M36?
Still waiting for a Churchill vid :( no love for the poor Churchill’s
Dis is some good sthuf
In war thunder I love jags tiger but I’m used to slow tanks
It’s so sad that i always taught the the german tanks were amazing and every video you make about them makes me cry xd.
If you really want to know how bad the Jagdtiger was, read "The Combat History of German Heavy Anti-tank Unit 653 In World War II" This unit hated it. They started as a StugIII unit then got the Ferdinand which the really like once they learned how to use they. Later they got "up grated" to the Jagdtiger. Basic problem, reloading took to long; it was better at being used as artillery than tank hunting, 128mm (5 inch) shell makes a big boom.
Can you make a video on the m60s since i war thunder they are below average but i real life many nations praise it
The Jagdtiger was great, as long as it was already in position and never had to be moved again.