The Anti-Everything Missile
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Developed to provide US tank units with adequate protection against Soviet attack helicopters and jets following the failure of the DIVAD program's M247 Sergeant York, the Air Defense Anti-Tank System or ADATS was a revolutionary multi-purpose design. It could effectively engage just about any vehicle out there, and it worked quite well. But if it was so effective, why didn't the Army adopt it?
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The Anti-Everything Missile - เกม
“You know what ADATS stands for right? Anti DAT shit, whatever DAT shit is.”
"You may ask yourself 'What is dat shit?' Take your right index finger and point it at literally anything..DAT SHIT"
TheRussianBadger came into himself with that one.
YES I SAID THIS TO MY FRIEND LIKE 10 MINUTES AGO
That missile defense at 2:39 .....
Adats CIWS
Manual APS
Spook is a god
Bruh I’m saying like godamn
Jesus, Spook shot down two inbound missiles with his missiles. Wtf my guy (first one is at like 2:34 or so)
I think a video on the ratel 20 would be fun
It’s basically a worse marder at 6.7 and it’s armour and be penetrated by .50 from the front
would also be nice to see a video on the zt3a2
it's a literal bus
By fun do you mean frustrating right?
Wdym by 50 that thing can get penned by 7.62
It is a pretty terrible apc if not on flat paved terrain.
Though I’d probably take its 20mm and put it on my warrior.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
I knew someone would say this lol
Even reading it, I still don't understand.
So it flying where it wasn't until it is
The problems start when the missile knows *where YOU are*
I feel like the source video was a training video trying to explain what error is to an audience they assumed was stupid.
the special "stinger Bradley" just being a regular Bradley carrying 2 guys with stingers really set me off for some reason lol
hehheeh yup kind of like a stinger jeep and a stinger humvee
Pretty much all Canada has for air defence, discounting the air force doing its job and allied long range systems, is two guys in each mech infantry company having 'emergency operational requirement' manpads. Mostly blowpipe/javelin pulled out of storage and given to defence contractors to be fitted a new tube, and sold back at full price. Starstreak and early stingers are floating around aswell. And they just hang out in the air guard hatches with with the air def system sitting next to them. KIts better than what we had when I was is, 'point the c6 up'.
The reason why MANPAD systems like the stinger are the sole air defense capability of most units in the military shows how powerful our Air Force is. If they weren’t, they would’ve had a very rude awakening from that capability gap
@@enclavesoldier769 *army and air force anti air artillery scrambling to reform units as the 2025 and 2030 force reconstructions directly address a shortfall in capability within the brigades and division command structures*
"The Reformers" is probably synonymous with "The Fuckheads" at this point.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Tbf cancelling the seargant york was probably one of the lesser evils they comitted xD
Canada really should have gotten the Crotale on the MOWAG Shark (was offered to license produce by GM of Canada, like the Piranha). 1985 LLAD program disasterclass
Alternatively, the ADATS was also proposed for the 10x10 Piranha
@@hydroxideblue9367 10x10? ive never seen that as a proposal, but the Multi-Mission Effects Vehicle was propesed, based on the LAV III hull, but like most procurement, got canceled, probably due to politics. same with the CV90 Procurement. they had a competition, chose the cv90 and then some pencil pusher decided that that LAV 6 could do the same job... but this is what happens when the people incharge of procurement have never been in a combat trade or on a battlefield.
@@sharpy3453 thanks Harper.
I remember some of my friends in the army being excited to get CV-90's because as great as the LAV III is.... it's lacking in the overall armor department when it comes to a heavy fire fight.
Needless to say, hopes were quickly crushed.
@novafire47 I thought it was canceled after harper, either way j wish they would just give us money to buy what we need. Tracked vehicles are superior offroad to wheeled
@@sharpy3453 it was cancelled in 2008, Harper was in office until 2015
tbh just hearing about project ADATS makes me happy.
mostly because of thinking the happiness the designers must've experienced during testing.
haha everything go boom
This missile so powerfull, that my phone exploded...
Is the phone ok ?
That’s pretty powerful
You need flex phone
Samsung?
@@digitaal_boog no my friend, Nokia
I don't think anybody would consider almost 1 meter of steel to be "not that much"
I play War Thunder a lot but I found out about the existence of ADATS from a game called Wargame: Red Dragon, an RTS strategy game. Man was it OP and the range on the missile was insane. Hide it in a forest near an open field, put a supply truck next to it, and watch it go to town. Basically any Soviet/Chinese/North Korean tank and helicopter that stayed in its line of sight and range ceased to exist quite soon. I was surprised when I first used thing. “Both antitank and antiair??? Did this thing really exist?”
It's really great in Red Dragon, Canadian mech decks with ADATS are hilarious!
First encountered ADATS in Ace Combat 2, so until Red Dragon I loathed it, due to childhood memories of being shot down repeatedly by it...
It showed up earlier in Eugen's game library in _Act of War: Direct Action_ for the US 'Army' faction (the other factions were the Consortium which starts off with cheap, spammable gear, but when it techs up, shows up with _RAILGUNS_ and stealth tanks while TF Talon is basically Ghost Recon with high-mobility, high-firepower equipment) as the second tier of base defense. Pair these up with field bunkers laden with anti-infantry options, and you'll need a lot of artillery to even hope to break through.
Thank you for being aware that not all of your audience are American. The idea that the internet is international seems unfathomable for far too many American content creators. As for _your_ content. Clear, well paced, articulate and accurate. What's not to like?
Bruh that's a universal attribute I notoce from a lot of European (particularly British) creators too. It's just living bias. There's just more American content creators (probably at the higher tiers*) per capita 😂
I read up on the DIVAD program when someone in your comment section mention a proposal that had a gau 8 in it lol
It was GE's entry to the DIVAD program, and was rejected for several reasons including 1) uselessness as infantry support, 2) RoF being too insane, and 3) it uses the GAU-8.
Remember, the reason that the Ford contestant was picked was because the US Army troops in Vietnam _LOVED_ the M42 Dusters that they had in the infantry support role. 40mm autocannon HE rounds rip apart infantry formations rather easily. It also used the US's 40mm stockpiles that was around since WW2.
The problem with Sgt. York was that it needed a _lot_ of work on the FCS and barrels that weren't there because some pennypincher was being an idiot and putting worn barrels into storage...
Beautiful History
Great Vibe
@@TheTrueAdeptThanks
Goodwork
I think that the ADATS would be a perfect solution for modern day US Military problems; it would probably be a far less expensive missile today that can perform a wide variety of tasks in adverse conditions. Plus the M1 AGDS has a special place in my heart in the "what if?" Category.
US army procurement tries to not fuck up air defense capabilities IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
@@amistrophy No, it's because the USAF has a vested interest in ensuring the US Army is reliant on them for any sort of air defense, though that as been changing now. That and their complete screwup in the Pentomic Army period (i.e. the Army's attempt at a 'revolt of the Admirals').
Now imagine an ADATS missile with the optic of the Spike. . . Op
Well if the adats does make a return we might be more likely to see the arrival of agds which is just the adats shoved into an m1 turret and since we have a bunch of those lying around just being used as spare parts it would probably save a lot of money
+@@jakeogroton+ It would probably require the production of new custom turrets as the version in the drawings has a noticeably different profile; being wider to accommodate the twin 6 cell launchers and it has hatches in different locations. Now it might be possible to come up with something that can use existing Abrams turrets for simplified logistics but it wouldn't be quite the same.
The ADATS used a 30 watt CO2 laser for the guidance laser, PWM for the first 1500 meters of missile flight, during engine burn to control the missile directly, then to create a digital grid aligned with the optical line of site, which was projected in the sky, with a constant size of the grid maintained with zoom projection optics to approx 8000 meters. The missile centered itself during flight after engine burn in the middle of the projected grid in air and ground attack mode, or flew 2 grid locations above center in helicopter mode to fly over trees allowing the missile to engage helicopters partly hidden by cover. The target was not painted by the CO2 laser. A Nd:YAG (neodymium-doped yttrium aluminum garnet) laser was used if requested by the gunner to lase the target for range. Range could also come from the search radar, a command ADATS from another position, or by triangulation between the operator in a external target designater chair and the ADATS unit it self. The missiles laser proximity fuse was 6 meters air mode, or 3 meters helicopter mode, and would be gated to not measure proximity until 100 meters before projected impact range in helicopter mode to ensure vegetation or other visual obstructions would not prematurely set the missile off.
When I was in high school I had a history teacher for a semester that was a senior technical NCO in the Canadian Army before he decided to go for a "second pension" as a teacher. The details are a bit fuzzy but we spent quite a lot of time chatting about military technology and history, as it was my last class of the day and I had a late bus.
I'm not sure of the exact timeframe(though his deployments to Afghanistan and Bosnia pin it as most-likely early 90s/late 80s), but he worked on the ADATS program in Canada in a technical training capacity. His assessment of the system was glowing, even if it apparently warped the aluminum hulls of the M113s they fitted it to thanks to its sheer mass. They used the first laptops in the CAF's training infrastructure for the training as well.
As the legend himself, Badjur said: ADATS stands for: Anti DAT Shit!
Dats da spirit
you might ask what is "DAT SHIT" well take your index finger point at anything and there you have "DAT SHIT"
Please make a video on the Xm-803 or the MBT-70, would mean the world to me
Just let me point out how humble Spooks is. At 2:36 There is a crazy moment in the video where he shoots down a guided AT missile with his own ADATS missile and he didn't even highlight it in any way
I was posted at the Unit that had the ADATS right as the divestment was finishing up. It's electronics sat in triwal boxes until my MCpl told me to re-tag them so we could finally get rid of them.
That dumb crap took up so much of our workspace for years lol.
"No reloads were carried" talking to the AD Gunners that were trained on the ADATS, there was combat reload drill. No, there's no extras carried in the M113's hull, but you better believe an ammo truck was full of them.
As a certified ADATS fanboy, I humbly ask for 2nd gen thermals for it in-game :3
"the missiles can depress -9 degree and +85, but can be elevated to 90 degrees"
american adats in game: best i can do is -9/+59, as that's what the 25mm can manage
seriously though, the xray even says the missiles have 85 degrees of elevation (and 0 degrees of depression), but they use the 25mm's elevation, only giving them -9/+59. so it's half right in game. i also checked the wiki, it says there as well the missiles have 0/+85
I worked on the ADATS in white sands, 1986-88, it worked good enough to shoot the rotor shaft off a UH1 running NOE in the desert at 120 F temps, at 8 clicks. No jet could get away, shot down 10 of them easy peasy. Very very fast missile.
Damn that’s insane old timer
I had never heard of ADATS while growing up. The first time was because of playing a strategy game for the Sega CD called "Third World War" way back in 1994. ADATS was in there. And until you made this video, that was the last time I ever heard of the ADATS system.
Thanks for doing the ADATS, one of my favorite vehicles.
Your vids in this kind of series are always really informative and fun to watch!
The intro was just like a sales pitch from the 80s, fit perfectly with the video.
Would love a gameplay commentary on the CM-11, the mix of an m60 with abrams gun always seemed cool
Should do a video about the Vickers MBT line. I thought it had some very interesting history.
He could also look up why loading times got so much worse with later models.
Vicket mk.1 is an absolute joy to play in War Thunder because of the fast reload, but mk.3's reload is shit. What happened ? Bad turret redesign?
better tank than chally 2
outperforms it in almost every way
Germany gets sad because the British made a better tank
Pulls out of the program and kills the vickers tank
:(
RoF of the M242 wasn't raised for the ADATS, the cannon already had several firing modes with the highest achievable rpm at 500, but it overheated fast when firing like that, the 200rpm is standard as it provides highest accuracy of fire as well as the cannon can't overheat without firing off like 500 rounds.
Meanwhile in War Thunder…
Love how he used the Missile as an APS at 2:35
Just like Badger said. "Anti DAT Sh*t". And "DAT Sh*t" is everything you point at.
Great video, already watched it 8 times already. 👍
Your knowledge of US cold war tech is incredible
I’m kind of surprised a similar program hasn’t been started in more recent years. Sure we have the M-SHORAD, but why not a missile that can do both like the ADATS? It would’ve been a perfect system for today, The missiles could deal with aircraft and armor, and the 25 mm bushmaster could take out drones.
Very cool vehicle. I hadn't heard of this before. Thank you.
After dying to Ka-50s all the time in Ground RB its very therapeutic to see so many die to the ADATS.
The Multi-Mission Effects Vehicle could be a fun follow-up video to this.
damn now thinking about it, the M6 Bradley Linebacker would be a great addition to WT
Thanks for clearing this one up for me, just slightly disappointed they didn't revisit the missile at some point i would have loved to have more vehicles with this missile in the American Tech tree
“What does ADATS stand for?” “Anti dat shit.what is dat shit you wonder? Point your finger. DAT SHIT”
Wait, woah, the ADATS has Gen 2 Thermals?? Gaijin wtf man
The missle knows where it is at all times.
Great vid!
Thanks for the lesson😊
Great video. Keep up the good work
Could you do a video on the SU100Y
Bro is just casually using his mouse guided SAMs to swat helicopter atgms out of the sky
Hey Spooks this is just a suggestion but it would be nice to see another video on a Japanese vehicle?
Imagine had they put a single-barrel 40mm gun on the system, and a big ammo magazine down below.
With ability to switch between APFSDS for ground defence and proximity shells for air defense.
That'd have been an awesome all around air-defense vehicle.
Missiles could be saved for jets.
I want to live in the alternate reality where the US Army actually picked the best equipment.
I have a degree in metallurgy and welding technology and the 100cm of penetration impressed the hell out of me.
The US and promising defense programs with a lot of potential that are cancelled. Name a more iconic duo.
Damn man that missile on missile was nuts
So adats had 2-gen thermals not 1st gen like in WT?
Can it remove crippling depression?
For a world building exercise I was doing a few months ago, I was trying to cram an entire NASAM system (radar and missiles) into a single American vehicle. Think of it like an American TOR system.
Doing my research, I ended up finding out that the Pentagon conceptualized cramming an anti air vertically launched missiles system into an LVTP-7. Can't find much out there on it, it looks like it might just be sidewinders or smaller. But I can't be the only one thinking about a mobile NASAM system that can roam close to the front to hammer enemy aircraft that get too close before withdrawing.
There have been a TON of great concepts for mobile and static air defense, sadly the Air Force usually craps all over them so they can be "the one" for the majority of air defense. We REALLY need to have better air defense, ground based especially, and hopefully one of the few good things that could come out of the war in Ukraine is the DOD getting their ass in gear!
Nasams is already mounted to a HMMWV and to a M113. Just nobody has bought it. The radar is a seperate vehicle.
There was a proposal to update our ADATS fleet onto the LAV chassis, but but the budget never allowed the project to go anywhere.
what actually is the Canadian SPAA now then?
@@fraservickers1257 the Canadian Army currently has zero ground based air defence options sadly
Part 8 of asking for 76 Jumbo
Also love ur vids
It has 2nd gen thermal sight
Gaijin: I didn't hear that
I was waiting to see if you would talk about Patriot and the new directed energy system that's still being worked on but great information And cool video
Please do the British Striker next Spook. I dont know how many times I have asked this
My prayers have been answered by the heart of the gods
Spook, Can you do a video on the M60-2000/120s? Would be cool. Would it have a place in WT as the next progression to the M60A3 or a Premium/EV?
M60AX+SLEP too lol
"How do we upgrade the M60?"
"Just slap a new engine and a M1A1 Abrams turret."
And it was DECENT ENOUGH.
@@nooblangpoo perfection
Edit: would laugh if it unironically had better mobility than the normal M1 base due to having a shorter wheelbase. . . Worse ground pressure though possibly offset by less weight :)
This aged like fine wine
Good video buddy
having covered the adats, maybe the tunguska could be next?
y e s
How about that Sgt York! 😁 I remember good old Jack Anderson trashing that one.
Do laser beam-riders trigger LWR? I see them advertised as not doing so because of the lower power of the laser compared to SALH guidance, but I also see LWRs that are advertised as capable of detecting beam riders.
The high speed of the ADATS might be able to make it hard to be shot down by Active protection systems.
I am a 11B and have spent a lot of time in the 11M role. I briefly considered reclassing to a 14R when it was still an MOS. But that was around the time they decided to remove the M6 from service. I am a big supporter of the M2, I have a deep respect and much love for the platform. Even though it has its issues and its conception was for the lack of a better word "Dubious" The ADATS would have been amazing.
great video
4:11 That Leopard regretted that decision lmao. Funniest thing I've seen all morning.
It would be interesting to see if this program gets restarted and fielded, with the current threat of China on the rise. Even the FIM-92K Stinger is starting to show its age, and its range is rather limited in comparison. I could see Taiwan being interested with its multi-use role.
I know that you did a video on the is-7 in war thunder recently but it would be cool if you did a video on the is-7 in real life and why it did not enter service or something like that great job on your videos
Can you do a video on the AVRE where you actually use the dozer? If you accept this challenge we will finally have you pegged as a masochist.
I use the dozers somewhat frequently but I haven’t been pegged yet 😭
Phlydaily has a really good video using avre dozer 😁
Hey Spookston i dont know what you were saying because i was eating chips and only heard crunch noises but hey i loved your game play.
I like these vids of you explaining the history of a vehicle whilst destroying everyone in gameplay C:
I'm gonna start calling this thing "Linebacker", like it was meant to be.
Was there a bug report on incorrect thermal sight resolution? If I understood some documents correctly, ADATS basically carries around Apache's sensor array
Please, make a video diving into the history of the mighty 2S6 Chunguska!
Man, watching all those attack helos fire off flares to avoid a LOS guided missile.... heartbreaking.
The missile knows where it is at all times
It knows this because it knows where it isnt
A video on what tech trees you would like see included to WT. I am pretty partial to a Latin American TT with Brazil, Chile, Argentina and Peru being the brunt of vehicles.
With rise of drone usage I can see vehicles like ADATS be considered again. Armies need inexpensive front line AA platform against drones and ADATS can fill that role with drone jammer fitted
Could you take a look at the Bradley COMVAT? Seems like a really interesting proposal
I wonder if it's possible for something like the ADATS to be approved and put into production and use? With the war in Ukraine and the tensions with China, it only makes sense sense to make a similar spaa to the adats.
Possibly with SEARAM missiles and CIWS guns?
It is no longer possible. All the engineers are likely dead, retired or moved on by now. A lot of the documentation is most likely lost, and the machine tools developed are probably gone.
It would be faster and cheaper to develope an entirely new system.
I wonder if the chassis issues were based off of the prototype vehicles on the M3 hull. Photos are pretty rare, but the later trials vehicles had an M3A2-based chassis (ironically really similar to the later AMPV) that had the increased engine power, increased electrical power generation, etc.
Can you please do a video with the Lvtdgb m/40? its pretty insane in an anti-tank role
At the very least they should have never scrap those amazing missiles.
Please do a video about all the stryker variants and the pros and cons? Also give your opinion on the best use for the stryker chassis?
Knowing how bad M6 Linebacker turned out to be it is incredibly sad that ADATS was canceled.
A video on the Alecto might be fun, or really any low-tier high caliber, low velocity gun
love my dorky meme cannons
Adorkable
imagine having all of this tech and being have to use crt monitor that shows how far military tech can leap forward
Meanwhile ADATS in WarThunder: can't even look upwards, while mig-27s and Kamovs are just dumping shit right over your head, and you have 0 chance of fighting back lol
You should do a vid on the swing fire,
I think this was more of a history lesson then fun.
Can you do a video with either the M4A5 Ram II or the QF40 Ram II? Its a 12 pounder (I think) on a Ram II chassis.
So the real world had second generation thermal optics, endgame we get first generation
it used an optical Tracker not a radar Tracker but endgame you get a radar lock warning
The optics could look 90° straight up, in game it's only 85
As the target flew over, the optics could look straight up, but the missile tubes could only go to 85 degrees, then the turret would rotate 180 degrees, and then start dropping the missile tubes as the target range increased. That was the theory, but about half the time the electronics would get confused, and either lock up, or the turret would keep going around in circles with the launch tubes pointing up.
@@heathalouf1855 source?
@@StealthySpace7 I was posted to 210 Air Defence workshop for 7 years,(1999-2006) a unit of 4Air Defence Regiment in Canada that operated ADATS for the CF. I maintained the ADATS systems and Javelin S15 Manpads for the regiment and the Artillery School at Combat Training Centre, CFB Gagetown. I also instructed on both systems twice.
Hey Spooky I love your content man
Hey, what you think of doing a video on Stryker Dragoon and maybe ATGM
I'm in the place where the incoming "Wolfpack" Stryker gets it's namesake from and also there's Dragoons here. So, if you have questions, lmk
Hey Spook, been a fan for a while now, was hoping you could take a look at the Amx 30b2 Brent's. I love the look of it and I want to know if it's worthwhile on my 8.3 line up. Appreciate it
DIVAD was always dead on arrival. The army issues a requirement (engaging missile armed helicopters at long stand off ranges) that could only have been met by a missile system, then insisted the requirement had to be filled by guns. Then they stuck it on a chassis that absolutely could NOT keep up with Abrams and Bradley equipped armored formations when the other big requirement was that it must be able to keep up with modern armored formations. So even if they fixed the gun feed and radar, it was always going to be a flop.
And don't forget, DIVAD was to replace the Roland program where the United States took a perfectly good, workable system, cocked it up so it didn't work right, then planted it on a chassis (M109) that also could not keep up with armored formations.
American Roland of course was the replacement for MIM-72 Chaparral, which was a cheap and hugely mediocre stopgap to replace MIM-46 Mauler which,... you guessed it - was a failure.
Starting to see a pattern yet?
The hilarious bit of that last one is they looked at Roland AGAIN in the program which eventually ended up picking ADATS.
ADATS kept with the U.S. Army penchant for effing up perfectly good LLAD systems. Don't fund the fixes to make it work right, then cancel it. Had the Cold War not ended when it did, I think ADATS would have actually made it into service (probably on a smaller than planned buy) and probably would have been picked up by other NATO and friendly countries. As it was, the failure of the U.S. order and the end of the Cold War (and thus the market for the system) doomed the program and it ended up being a money loser for the parties involved with only 38 production units sold.
A video on the Ka-Chi would be neat, it's awesome but also I can't play too much or I get sad killing new players