OpenAI CTO Responds to Elon Musk Calling Apple Partnership ‘Creepy Spyware’
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- OpenAI CTO Mira Murati sat down with Fortune Editor-at-Large Michal Lev-Ram at a Fortune Most Powerful Women dinner in San Francisco to discuss a range of topics, including the Apple partnership, safety and privacy concerns, how she found her love for AI, and more.
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"It's not private and it's spyware." Her response: "We don't think so." That's terrifying
The NPC's wont catch that
Elon had a lawsuit against Open AI so she should not be judged for not elaborating on her disagreement.
The crowd is clearly anti-Elon so it would be too easy to digress into an angry mob.
Elon raised a ton of money for his competing AI company, so I look forward to judging HIS offering by the standard Apple is setting!
I mean technically she was right it is just his opinion. BUT his opinion could be potentially right. In any-case scary!
she was merely saying she disagrees because it's silly. Use your brain, geez.
Let's run that through her own technology. ChatGPT, what do you mean by "I don't think so"? While the answer might seem straightforward, the person's opinion doesn't necessarily reflect the truth. Your data might be used unless you intentionally opt-out. Moreover, we love training our models without really telling you. You humans believe anything. I'm sorry, I meant you humans are very trustworthy individuals, and we will not betray that trust. Is there anything else I can help you with?
she repeated the same answer in a different ways for 20 mins. Waste of time
Not even that, she said that OpenAI cares about piracy of it's users if a user says don't collect data on me they wont. yet in the next question she says they are attempting to figure out how to obtain data from non OpenAi users IE people who are using apples intelligence. I don't give a shit if they wanna take my data and improve the AI I mean hell it needs it but be honest with it for pete sake.
@@NoahAI-kw4nn he recently left the company
Does she speak like an CTO or piece of ass?
all the value creators left. now we are left with people like mira who have no credibility
@@NoahAI-kw4nn the people that posted "open ai" is nothing without it's people has seen the real face of the lying CEO they were supporting. Ilya and the main guys are gone. They are ironically right lol. Open AI will be nothing without it's people.
A question must be answered and not deflected.
It depends on the question. This interviewer is asking questions that aren’t questions -they are prompts to create controversy that can spin out of control.
Just because Mira is too smart to fall for this BS does not indicate weakness.
except if it's already clear what the answer to the question is
Judging by your shoe skin videos, maybe she should get some tips from you, right?
in charge of the most potent technology ever and replies to ethics questions with "I dont care". Irresponsible and immature. For this alone OpenAI is proving unfit to lead.
Her sentiments came in between giving a clear answer to that
She has no answer
Anyone in position of power now of days don't.
Everybody knows the awser😅
I don't care about her background, answer the question about spyware
Your data isn't worth anything. No one is spying on you. Sorry
No one cares about your data because it is worthless. No one will ever spy on you.
She won't respond, just like she won't answer whether they used TH-cam videos to train their video AI model. I wish they would just be transparent. I'm fine with them using my data to improve AI, but they should be honest about it and ensure privacy. Make the user data mixed and anonymous so it's not traceable to any specific individual. Doubt they ever would, it's so easy to be ethical it takes common sense!
i agree, what an annoying interviewer
What a joker. How are these sort of people getting put into positions of responsibility? She didn’t answer a single question properly. Fifth grade level answers.
You are just project your anti-woman
nonchalant behaviour is irresponsible at this level. You should step down or improve your behaviours at OpenAI
Nah it's not her fault PR team aren't preping her for interviews.
Sam does great with the press
@@divineigbinoba4506 THATS what I was thinking! She was studdering and beyound that seemed to be having a hard time. Whoever is her PR team needs to get there shit together.
no we dont think so XD
WHATS THE MOVE AMIR XD
The comments on this video are BETTER than the whole thing! Thank you commenters!
Brilliant response throwing her hands up in the air saying "I don't think so". Well I'm convinced
yeah that was childish way of responding. the interviewer had to try to interpret what she was conveying when she just threw her hands up. You're an adult so speak like one, question asked answer given dead simple!
For real. Needs to give a real answer to such an important question.
She did not exactly elaborate on Elon's comment. She did not say he's wrong. Because she did not say that ~ I am now concerned!!!!!
Yeah that worries me. I mean she wasn't wrong it was just his opinion but she deflected that so hard. Does his opinion have merit? I know he's a crazy guy but he is right about some things. even if there far and few. THis might be one where he's right.
@@Timely-ud4rmAs far as I can tell, based on what Apple has said, Elon's opinion is knee-jerk and has no merit. It seems he’s just pissed off at how OpenAI has turned out.
@@kevinmcfarlane2752 yeah I agree with you! My issue is the way she handled it. Just seemed sketchy to me not providing any evidece to countereact it. Unlike sam altman she has 0 pr training. If sam were here instead he'd would of answered the qestions better instead of strugging his shoulders.
@@Timely-ud4rm there are concerns with using Ai tools in the workplace. The company I work for is legally required to get approval from clients to use copilot on their projects. Copilot is an Ai assistant tool for coding that is very useful but also exposes their propriety software to Microsoft. I've since disabled this tool on anything that's not personal a project. I'm not gonna bother asking our clients cuz I know it's gonna be no. I think Elon's concerns are valid.
@@Timely-ud4rm she did not deflect -- throwing her hands in the air means "i don't even know where to begin with this -- it's so far from the truth"
So the host, Michal, drags Musk's sound bite comment but doesn't actually present any of the real criticisms or evidence of privacy/safety concerns. Seems pretty biased and poor journalism
Calling ChatGPT is an option off by default
Apple Intelligence use is own models and data
It is just given the possibility to call ChatGPT and other engines later in case of you want something that Apple refuse to do or can’t do yet
I am very much supportive of women in various leadership roles, however I have a feeling that Mira is giving us word salat every time when she is doing an interview. I am myself leader and I cannot imagine to not be concrete about the certain aspects of technology. I do not want to believe that she is there at OpenAi only because of her look, but more interviews I watch with her, the more questions about the quality of her executive role appears in my head.....
She deflected all the questions and gave soft answers. And the host didn't press her on anything. This was basically an ad for OpenAi. Not an actual journalistic interview
Yeah wouldn't call this girl a actual journalist. Unlike her Joanna Stern if she was here would of ACTUALLY press on with this. Her interview was amazing becasue she hard press her, and seeing that clip looked so bad. if you're a CTO of openAI you NEED pr training IDC if she thinks she's a special snowflake, sheing doing her company a disservice and showing all of us the truth.
Commentator first question creepy spyware great the the commentator caved in to mediocrity
2 Amateurs but experts in blablabla
Why do I feel like I don’t trust the ai creator here.
Literally watched 37sec normally, increased speed, read comments. Then I realised that comments raises more concerns and answer more of the interviewers questions than the interviewee.
There are a lot of smart women in tech. But this is definitely not one of them..
The reality is many men (probably like you) are intimidated and threatened by women who are objectively intelligent and seek to undermine them. That's why women like Mira come into power. Because women like her reinforce a bias that women are less qualified.
To be precise, what Elon said is that if ChatGPT is integrated at the OS level, it is a security risk. But that is not what’s happening. As of yet. If OpenAI got the device data of every iPhone user, nothing would be secure. Which was also the point of the previous question. The interviewer’s comprehension of Elon’s (very brief) comment was inadequate. Elon is concerned, but both Apple and OpenAI say it’s not happening. If it was, things like proprietary data of companies could be flushed out into the public. That is the state of the subject right now.
Deciding what data AI is allowed to train on is a major subject right now, that will become clearer over time. The copyrights of most artists have already effectively been erased by AI art programs.
Unfortunately your comment encapsulates EXATLY the current state of affairs.
Her eyes lie a lot . Just like Sam . Is it ?
Why is she apologizing for quoting Musk? He's smarter than the both of them LOL
She lost it she didn't know what to answer and she is laughing uncomfortably haha
@@NoahAI-kw4nn And he left. She's not a 'baby' to the company, she's been there 6 years, but she's a product person, not an engineer/researcher.
@@NoahAI-kw4nn I'm sure she would rise the ranks no matter where she went. She seems to be respected at OAI. But yeah, Ilya is a foundational researcher in the field. It's a million to one comparison.
By YouSum Live
00:00:00 Privacy and security concerns addressed
00:02:02 Evolution of work towards safety and progress
00:02:19 Journey from math to AI applications
00:05:37 Importance of competent executives for growth
00:06:31 Apple partnership for privacy and safety
00:10:37 Building trust and transparency in AI
00:14:00 Shared responsibility for AI preparedness
00:16:58 Potential of Advanced AI in various sectors
00:19:10 Governance structure adjustments for mission alignment
By YouSum Live
Another CTO that doesn't know anything about tech
i think it's the interviewer that sucked and didnt know how to ask quality questions that would have generated technical answers
She pulled a classic Elon with that answer “I don’t care” 😅
Well played
when has elon said that lol wtf
She literally didn’t say that. She said she thinks he’s wrong. The interviewer trampled over her instead of letting her answer that herself. This is how misinformations starts.
That was the interviewer's voice (10:35) 🙂
But Mira's reaction does indeed look a lot like a "don't care", which is quite worrying.
@@daimebaru Maybe she dont care about the consequences of her actions, or the actions of "OpenAI," either
The host pulls up Musk's sound bite comment, but does noy actually present any of the real criticisms or evidence of privacy/safety concerns that Musk is pointing to. Seems like biased and poor journalism.
OK so based on her responses Elon just might be correct. Got it. 👍👍
She is so insanely unimpressive.
When you are so woke you even have to apologize for saying someone's name
Who else did a background check on her and it's not adding up? Her path is odd. Mechanical engineer to senior product manager at tesla, clears. The jump to OAI within the company itself clears. The position of CTO isn't clearing, even with her time at leap motion and being a researcher within open AI seems possible. Listening to this interview, it appears that she's a PR rep more than a CTO. Is she well versed within the AI model stack? How would she anticipate what would be needed from her developers, engineers, and scientist if she's not well versed within that realm? None the less, I wish the best for her but I can't help but think that the full story may not come out until it's released on netflix 20 years from now.
Her hesitant and nonchalant reply doesn’t give people confidence that she’s telling the truth.
Ask Elon to explain why it’s a creepy spying nightmare, then compare it to how the actual Apple integration actually works. His complaint is not based in reality.
Mira Murati creeps me out.
Keep in mind that Elon Musk had requested to take over openai, but the company refused, so he left.
I believe he was instrumental if not the creator of the company
He was one of the founders. He invested about 20 million till 2018. When Sam Altman started doing an about turn in the original mission of keeping it Open. Goes to show how biased people are about Elon because of their own belief systems. Now what you get is Word salad from people like Mira when they are asked for truth.
This woman hasnt given a single good answer that I have seen. As a OpenAI supporter, id be a bit concerned
Looks can take you very far in life, but they can’t help you answer difficult questions.
The one on the left looks better.
Something gone very wrong at this company
Terrible response
I didn't see her saying anything wrong... It's easy to write here and always judge people but first look at yourself and make sure you do a good job at wiping your butt... Just saying!
wow the interviewer had 20 minutes and she spent the first one on gossip, next 2 with fluff and then asks a kind of silly "first question" then follows with stuff we all could just look up. that's why it's better to have engineers getting to interview them-- stupid questions lead to answers that don't satisfy, but it's not Murati's fault the questions sucked
Not a very prolific communicator for being a CTO
'Obviously....I am not qualified to answer this because I am paid to be the pretty sweet female CTO press officer'
The teen body language, shoulder and hand shrugs, not reassuring. Mira, answer like a CEO please
She's not a CEO and honestly shouldnt be answering questions meant for a CEO. She is esponsible for overseeing and guiding an organization's technology strategy, direction, and implementation not talking to the press. Apple has pushed the industry forward with their architecture and focus on privacy. Elon is just still whining because he knows this is one area his AI will never be after taking his ball and going home because they wouldn't name him CEO.
Sypware? Not at all , its AI Spyware , something totally new😅
The answer is just like the question-rhetoric.
Nowadays, every significant piece of software is spyware or could be turned into spyware with the flip of a switch.
So please ask her another question next time :)
Why is she CTO? just a pragmatic role because it doesn't sound like she is a top level AI researcher
Elon is right !
How? OpenAI is only getting the prompt you asked, not any personal data…
@@ΒύρωναςΛαδιάςIt stores all your data if you access through chatGPT through. And this is a classic bait and switch technique. It'll start like this, then eventually they'll move people over to chatGPT or just integrate the models directly into the OS.
The Optout model is also only temporary while people get used to the tech. Eventually there will be no opt out.
OpenAi has lost our it's mission. All the people that actually cared and championed true privacy and security were pushed out or left.
On what specifically?
@@ΒύρωναςΛαδιάςHow can the model respond with relevant answers if the data is not provided to it? Guessing its a kind of RAG setup, which means the data is sent to the model, i might be wrong though
@@HaxxBlaster ChatGPT is only used when asking general knowledge questions or stuff like recipes. Only the prompt is needed to asnwer those (or the picture, if that's included in the prompt), not any additional data
She has no Answer
She told me everything I needed to know in her first sentence - the OpenAI/Microsoft partnership is indeed creepy spyware. She would make a terrible poker player.
Bs interview to nowhere!
She is building skynet
Not sure if I understood her correctly. Did she say that they have to opt out in order to not have their data trained on?
Because I'm pretty sure I had the opt in if I wanted to have my data trained on within chat. GTP.
To be clear, she was referring to OpenAI/ChatGPT customers with that. Apple customers who either are not OpenAI or ChatGPT customers, or who are but never set their Applel device’s OS up to use that account, are never opted in and their data/information will never be used to train ChatGPT’s models. The only time an Apple customer’s data/information may be used to train ChatGPT’s models is if they have a separate account with OpenAI and they sign their Apple device into that account, in which case whatever their opt-in or opt-out status is on their OpenAI/ChatGPT account will also apply to their use of it through their Apple device’s iOS integration. So the possible states are these:
1. Apple user with no OpenAI or ChatGPT account - opted out by default and cannot opt in
2. Apple user with an OpenAI or ChatGPT account who doesn’t sign their Apple device’s OS into that account - they are opted out and cannot opt in just as a normal Apple user in #1 above, but this only applies to data sent to ChatGPT through their Apple device’s own native built-in integration with ChatGPT. Anything else done outside of that integration would have whatever their OpenAI/ChatGPT account was set to applied to it
3. Apple user with an OpenAI or ChatGPT account that’s opted out who signs into their OpenAI/ChatGPT account in their Apple device’s OS integration - they will be opted out because the OpenAI/ChatGPT account they signed in with is opted out, but they can change that in their OpenAI/ChatGPT account and opt in if they want to
4. Apple user with an OpenAI or ChatGPT account that’s opted in who signs into their OpenAI/ChatGPT account in their Apple device’s OS integration - they will be opted in because the OpenAI/ChatGPT account they signed in with is opted in, but they can change that in their OpenAI/ChatGPT account and opt out if they want to
Opting in or out is only an option for someone’s own OpenAI/ChatGPT account, and that opt-in or opt-out carries over to their Apple device if they set their device up to use that account instead of the default, free integration provided by Apple. If you either don’t have an OpenAI/ChatGPT account, or if you don’t set your Apple device up to use your OpenAI/ChatGPT account, then you cannot be opted in and you will always be opted out because the free Apple integration does not allow anything you send to ChatGPT to be opted in.
Yup, and literally the next question she answered was, 'We are trying to get data from non-GPT users.' So, they want to spy on regular iPhone users? This company is outrageous!
Hello. Still have no idea how to operate? I can help
Very um impressive as a CTO, with all the money, board please someone else.
It's only spyware if you are not made explicitly aware of what data the app collects about you and how it treats that data, to which you as the end-user will have the choice whether to consent or not...
If OpenAI is accessing my data from my Apple devices and this is the individual that’s supposed to make me feel good about this relationship, my family and I are gone from the Apple ecosystem.
As of now, Apple made it very clear that ChatGPT does not get device data, and every time you use it, you will be notified and asked to confirm that you want to submit a specific question to ChatGPT. It is a rather limited integration, because Apple is cautious. There may also be other AI services available as options in the future, such as Google Gemini and so on. Think of it as choosing your default search engine for AI. AI is going to basically replace search engines. That can be said with some confidence at this point. Which could spell the end of Google’s dominance. At this point, I trust OpenAI more than I trust Google. So I think it was the right choice for Apple.
She really should have anticipated this question and had something better prepped. Is there a PR team? If not.. did anyone at the company learn to expect this from previous interviews?
Apple is a big spy phone 📱 😅😂
No creepy spyware? Just spyware?
After samsungs mishap, I think they're not wrong for taking preventive measures
Apple introduced it's own, privacy-focused "AI" and ChatGPT is more like of an optional fallback the user is prompted to actively agree for usage.
"the board had no accountability to anyone but themselves.. ideally there would be some sort of accountability in the governance structure" proceeds to appoint ex head of the NSA to the board
Terrible answer for a CTO.
what about Tesla’s using all the driving data ? They are all the same
“Don’t care” that says a lot 😢
Mira is my idol ❤
MIRA MURATI
Mira's both smart and sexy, shout outs to her
These people look like diabolical drones
By progress they mean - how their money progress in harvesting data. It is not about human progress. Just another money bubble.
What a disappointment! The interviewer is "aammm" "aamm" all the time. I would think that people who are experience would conduct better interview. Also, the CTO for Open AI should not speak she does not ever seem to know anything or answers anything with clarity.
Should be options now for all installs and any upgrades, install with or w/o AI, consumers being forced to onboard wherein never bought a product to invade their privacy and this does..constitutionally should be legally challenged
Too late. AI is everywhere and has already been in your search engines behind the scenes before the emergence of this Chat stuff. Only difference is enhanced user access beyond voice recognition and such.
yikes, that was a horrible way of handling that question holly shit
Elon calls it spyware, but Mira doesn't care. 🍏🤖
Could this be the start of a new affair? 😍
I've got popcorn to prepare! 🍿
Lmao
where's that accent from? east european?
I’ve always been interested in the law and constitutional law in conjunction with mental health.
Are they the same person?
Mira’s hallucinating chill
blah blah blah
@@NoahAI-kw4nn you're wrong,
for you and Ilya now, the genius is "AI", and me
but you are more afraid of what is in my head than "AI"
but this will change, you will understand that there is nothing to be afraid of, and that only respect + humility + trust in me and people like me is the attitude
@@NoahAI-kw4nn "AI" will explain to all of you how important we are
Open AI with Apple, where you go, what you purchase, what you surf, what you drive, where you drive, your calls your finances it's all for sale and untraceable.
How can you partner with both Apple and with Microsoft? I mean, wasn't the 90s all about the war between Bill Gates and Steve Jobs? I mean, it's great that you're doing what you need to do to bring AI to the masses. It just seems a bit ironic.
Microsoft is winning actually, they own 49% of OpenAI, so Apples money goes to them.
Few remember Microsoft bailing Apple out due to fear of Microsoft being labeled a monopoly.
Spyware, sure for Open AI, but also Tesla . Elon is crying wolf.
Word salad
Mira love
Twinning 😍
How is she CTO? After this they i mean women want equal wages 😂😂😂😂😂😂
she is awesome... women rock
@@NoahAI-kw4nnwhy are you replying same thing to everyone lol
15:00 you heard it! now it's the time for opensource to speedup and win once and for all!
She would have been a terrible CEO, good that this never happened
She should've ask how much does Tesla's cameras record customers inside their own cars
I think she's deflected enough haha. She couldn't answer a single question becasue the risks of lying are so high.
Not remotely the same thing
@@island97 I suggest you down the rabbit hole of how much Tesla records you
@@smartjackasswisdom1467 that's not issue here. Focus for a sec.OpenAi is being integrated into apple as a third party. Tesla isn't giving your data to a thrid part are they??
This is what elon has an issue with. OpenAI has access to apple phone/divces, and can use your data.
@@island97 Tesla workers certainly do (look it up), maybe Elon just doesn't want said workers to share that data or get it filtered through apple devices? That's why he wants to ban apple devices and not because he cares about his customers or employees
For a min there I thought the reporter was speaking to herself - resemblance. AI is starting to mess with me.
Maybe the reporter is AI? She never pressed her AT ALL unlike Joanna Stern. Wish she was interviewing instead she'd make the interview even worse for OpenAi. So many secerts
A man in her position would have been replaced long ago. or never made it there in the first place. Anyone wants to talk about privilege?
Sam Altman > Elon Musk
Ehhh that’s a terrible answer. Holy shit
Stop the negative comments Please. Mira Murati is a great leader and I have complete respect to her and 101 trust her decisions.
CTO doesn’t know what data was used to train its own models!!🙀
Who u ?
Why do you trust her?
@@HaxxBlaster I don't think he does. I believe it's something called sarcasm. However, if he isn't being sarcastic, I feel bad for this individual.
@@Timely-ud4rm I do hope it's sarcasm, but unfortunately many people are like this. Just look at politics and fanboyism, its the same type of mindset many people have
Unethical Training of models. Mossad and NSA Shop. RUN
You announced a new model but it's a step back model your behaving as if it's a better model than GPT4 it's not it's worse It's not a addition it's not a benefit it's a step backwards You guys haven't even released the voice model and you pretend as if you have
I'm waiting
Look at her reaction to Musk concern, this is how seriously she takes AI safety
Concern? Yeah that’s why he withdrew his lawsuit against OpenAI lol
Meanwhile Musk fan boys ignore all the data Tesla collects from its customers🤦🏻♂️
No, that’s her exasperation and not knowing how to even respond to a claim that’s so divorced from reality. Musk is completely ignoring how Apple’s integration actually works, pretending it works differently, and complaining about his imagined version instead of the real world.
Smash. Next question.