About to Bluff When Opponent Warns Me!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, our caller has a 2/5 no-limit poker hand review where he faces an unexpected moment. Just as he is pushing all his chips to the center for an all-in bluff, his opponent throws a curveball by warning him not to proceed.
🔍 We analyze:
The decision-making process for executing a bluff.
Reading into what a verbal warning from an opponent mid hand might mean
Bluff bet sizing efficiency - why smaller would have been better
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0:00 - Intro
0:37 - Preflop
0:59 - Flop
4:51 - Turn
6:42 - River
9:32 - Hero Decision
11:39 - Reveal
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Bluff bet sizing efficiency is the thought process takeaway from this hand. See the explanation at 9:50 for why bigger is not necessarily better iin this case.
Never go broke in a limped pot. - Leviticus 12:18
Rampage is apparently moving down in stakes.
I get all the sophisticated arguments, but we are talking about a guy who open limps in with AT. Maybe that is not the kind of person you want to bluff.
The technical arguments are always above the skill threshold of these low stakes games, which means they mean nothing. Lol
As the villain was described, I’m not sure there was enough info on the guy to know ow he was THAT passive.
@@Bum_Hip Maybe I should just have said that the fact that he open limps at all with any hand is a sign that he is a a fish, and the way to beat a fish is to value bet only. The most common mistake recreational players make, is that they call too much. No need to try to be unexploitable when people aren't exploiting you. Just exploit them!
I get the joke but to play devil’s advocate, why can’t one say “the guy who open limps with AT-offsuit is the type of person who is weak/passive and will fold to a check-raise, barrel, all-in line”?
@@Baekstromi destroy These players by bluffing them all the time. People who limp pre flop are often trying to preserve their stack. That said I do not try to make people fold top pair. Which is what we are up against by the river.
As a rule people at this level don’t call flop, call turn, fold river nearly often enough when “nothing changes” in their mind. I am fine with the flop and turn play but once we have maxed fold equity here, I think it should just be a river give up.
Agree
Thanks for all the labor you put into this content, Bart! Week after week, you post 4-5 of these. It can't be easy, and you don't get enough love.
Chip Reese summed up old school NL practice when he said bluff the least amount you think gets a fold and the most you think can get a call when betting for value. Might not be GTO but it works great in low and medium stakes live NL.
I love when Player/Callers make Donk moves and get Snapped Off and then they either outright call the Villian a Donk or elude that "The Games are Good" as if everyone is making Donk Calls. I'd like to hear this hand from the Villian perspective... villain- "I warned him that I knew he had Sqadoosh, he pushed all in, and I snapped him off". Say what you want about Villain calling all-in with A10, but he knew exactly where he was at and made the correct call. I think the caller is the Donk for shipping his stack in a Limped Pot after the Villain warned him not to do it, that he knew he missed his clubs.
Interesting how the villains who correctly call bluffs are insulted by Bart and others, but hero's that do it are praised, such as that AQo hand which was lauded here as great and yet the same as the AK call - in general bad but in real time good.
Exactly. Hero must have check raised with a draw in a limped pot previously but forgot. Villain had a nice soul read here.
It does look like a great read by the Villain as played, but in a vacuum I don’t think the Hero’s line is too terrible. When Hero checks his option preflop, his range is likely too biased towards flush draws, but I think pocket 5s, 6s, and all combos of 79 and 47 could take this exact same line.
Happy to learn if that perspective is wrong though, so feel free to push back.
It’s spelled, “allude” bro.
I agree. This is why I hate the whole "villain/hero" dichotomy that is used to analyze hands in poker. No one ever gives their opponent credit, and they are always insulted for making plays the "hero" would be praised for making. It's quite obvious here that the caller wasn't giving us all of the info, as his opponent very obviously had a clear read on him. And the worst part is these players could learn so much more and play much better if they would just give their opponents an ounce of credit. At the very least, they could try to look at things from the opponent's perspective, and assume he has some deeper reasoning beyond "he's a fish" or "he's dumb" or "typical $2-$5 player" or whatever. They act like everyone is just supposed to play how they want them to play, at all times.
hindsight is 20/20. Unfortunately getting recs to fold top pair of aces especially on missed FDs is an exercise in futility in most cases. I try to look at pots like these as guidelines as to how much value you can extract from call-happy recs at these spots when you do have 2 pair+.
that moment when he says: "games are good, eheheh" xD so cute
He is definitely right people who limp in A-10 from the cut off are the kind of players you want to be in the game with.
@@TheTree1 people who make obvi all-in bluffs with missed flushes are the people i want to play against.
I’m in Atlantic City and there’s no poker at all on the board walk? lol like do I rly wanna drive to borgata with my fam on boardwalk so annoying miss the TAJ
Seems like an awesome spot for the double check raise
Punt. 2 suit boards that brick off are so over bluffed. That is a rookie bluff
Seems like his image is what got him in trouble here, If a tight player is calling down here with AT off.
I like this caller I think I would have played it the same exact way
I agree with Bart, what hand calls £500 but folds for £900? £500 looks more value heavy too, it's a more consistent story from the flop X/R which is almost always 2 pair/set or FD, the 2 pairs don't like getting it all in and most people don't get enough value from sets.
I have found that All In's get called more than what is perceived as "Thick Value". But I'm pretty sure the Villian was calling regardless. I mean he told him he was.
Much agreed. I'd love to hear a bit more discussion on the villain's hero call here: obviously it surprised Bart and many players I'm seeing in the comments are saying it's a bad call, but I think it comes back to what's hero representing here, and how many combos of made hands are out there vs missed flush draws? Especially given the preflop action and hero being BB, I think that puts a LOT more 7x clubs and 4x clubs hands in his range than other times when we're considering our fold equity. And maybe the bonus lesson here is if you did arrive with a set, go ahead and rip it in, because it's gonna look like a busted flush draw.
@@mickaelmalove2553 Putting these hands in a Vacuum is ridiculous and people saying it was a bad call, removing yourself completely from the Live Situation is even more redic. By the Hero's Own Words.. He told him Not to do what he did because he knew he was betting a draw the whole time. And it's not like he called with bottom pair or Ace high. The villain knew he was good the whole time. And he was. He went with his read, and I'm sure they play a lot together. Everyone in the comment that see's this as a Black and White situation and want to call this a Fishy call.. all smell like Mackrell.
Is flop distribution the same as flop texture?
really hate check-raising the flop, pretty sure I'd just be calling my whole range. We're super multiway, out of position, could easily have a dominated draw....
Hero is a Proctologist. Villain had diarrhea and warned him to not stuck his finger up there. Hero ignored him and got projectile defecated on, and now says villain is the stupid one.
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I mean, villain is the stupid one. Are you suggesting "don't bluff" should stop us from bluffing? Then I'm just going to say that literally every street for all of eternity unless I have a super strong hand.
@@Jermo484 I think this is one of those things a player does, like motioning with their chips or cards like their gonna call or fold to try and get a reaction from the other player. It probably worked in this case.
In general I dont like firing the last barrel with a missed flush draw. I would like this a lot better with a hand like 78 no club.
Or clubs with no 7
"you don't think it was a punt?" The caller asks at the end after betting 855 into 730 on the river with Q high is the defination of a punt. Sure Punts can work but sometimes you just gotta give up and realize Villian is getting to showdown. When he called the over bet on the turn he pretty much showed the caller that he wasn't folding to a brick on river.
I mean honestly some people limp: AK, AA, and AJ. Even AQ. I have not seen the end of the video after writing this. I am not good enough to count combos in real time though.
The ENTIRE IDEA that you can get more fold equity with a smaller bet and get more value from betting larger is what fucks up my poker strategy.
Before reveal: I'm not folding AcXc here I think that's a miscalculation on Bart's part unless he is just counting half maybe buts like he thinks all will, I don't think so.
flop and turn, well played.
river, mandatory give up.
I agree, The Overbet on the turn should of let Hero know a bluff wasn't going to work on a blank river. If you don't hit a straight or flush on the river then just give up Villian called a check raise and then an over bet on turn.
Caller was looking for a bluff pre
Why did he have to mention that the CO was Asian lol
lots of people in poker cling to any discernible characteristics for info on playstyles. idk if theres any truth to it but as long as people still believe in them then there’s room for exploitation for guys like me 😂
I would like to know if he had any clubs
The key to live low stakes poker is value bet, value bet, value bet for the same reason you shouldn't try to bluff in spots like this. Just take your equity on the flop. No need to go wild.
to be honest i am calling river with a10 all day, dont know if im getting there though but if i arive i am snapping this :)
lol and how many times villain show up in such case with 74 of clubs or 97 of clubs??
I’ll be that guy… but Philly rooms are way closer than Catskills when you’re from NYC.
Takes an hour max on Amtrak and you’re in CC Philly
I'm not sure how often an A is folding at 2-5. If I'm bluffing I would go for the larger size. I'm not sure at 2-5 how often players are talking in consideration he must be polarized.(I'm not saying it doesn't happen)I'm trying to get a player who thinks he's beat(pair lower than an A)to say at that price it's not worth calling. The villain shouldn't have tried to stop hero from bluffing if he was going to call. If you're playing perfect poker (which I don't) bluffing should be player dependent. In my opinion.
Sometimes I dont know what bart is talking about.
You never check/raise that flop, people open limp with A3s and k2s and all kind of weird shit. You dont want to bloat a pot here.
Just call and take your equity, if you hit, go for 2 streets of value, if you miss, just c/fold.
If people have K2s they’re ahead of you, so wouldn’t that be a good reason to bluff?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj who folds a k high flushdraw on the flop?
And you're just drawing dead against the nfd with the offsuit ace out there. Maybe c/r a q high fd on Ax6x5y configuration, but never here
I have a hypothetical situation. Let’s say that there is quite a bit of action pre-flop from 3 players and one of them already raised. Based on your assessment, you expect a pot sized raise to be called by AJ, AQ, AK, and pocket 10’s or better. Would a pot sized raise be a good play assuming your assessment was accurate?
Games are good - hero
Yes, they are - villain, and me
Really think the villain didn’t get past I have top pair I call here.
You're almost always going to be better off checking this flop. Players will usually call with a wider range than they will bet. So you gain more information by checking and seeing if one of your opponents bets. You can certainly check-raise this flop.
Bluffing at a very small pot vs players who never over-fold & are pay-off machines when we really have it seems like epitome of spew to me
What are we trying to accomplish w the flop bet? To win a tiny pot or get opponent to put in $ later and then fold out when we miss? Too ambitious imo
We are playing into the live opponents leaks, not exploiting them
This is a great example of fancy play syndrome, which is terribad at low stakes games where the standard mistake is calling too much & is never ever folding too much
Am i the only one that thinks 30sec is a long tank?@6:17
Blind aggression.
In hindsight… maybe our bet sizing was too big on flop and turn. I prefer playing the flop as a call. Don’t like a lead bet either. This board is good for limpers. 65,87,89s,A5,A6,55,66. Don’t like ck raising on this board. Rather ck raise on flops like 1023, or K38. Too coordinated should expect action and had an ace!
I think this guy overbet each street
lol 100% a punt. I’m sure he’s telling all his friends the games are good after this too hahaha
Turn bet should be way bigger if he gets jammed on at that size it’s a terrible spot
It also is a punt why are young trying to make a whale fold an ace never gonna happen also this combo is extremely bad to bluff with easy check on river
I would have called you with AT there as well, though I would not have limped AT.
Here is the issue, the ONLY hand you could have that makes sense is 65o. 66 and 55, you'd likely raise pre. So I can discount those hands.
In fact, a good bit of my win rate is people who over bluff hands, like you did here. Your hand, as played, SCREAMS flush draw with either 7c or 4c in your hand, and after the turn, 7c.
I'll admit, that sometimes my calls in situations like this are wrong, but they are right way more than enough times to be profitable.
You need to think about how you are playing your hands, and what tendencies do you have, because that also makes a huge difference in running your bluffs. I would save that 75% or more of my wrong calls are because I only have a small number of orbits with that player, and have not locked down their habits.
Remember, a bluff has to make sense as a made hand. What made hand would you shove the river on? You WANT a call when you have a made hand. Over betting may apply pressure, but it doesn't mean it is a good bluff.
As Bart said, not only would $500 fold anything that a shove would fold, but it also looks more like a value bet.
Raise pre 66 and 55 is absurd but also you don't even consider that he can have 74 or 97!?
@@santiagorodriguez2940and since hero checked the bb he can literally have all 16 combos of 74o and 97o.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj He probably isnt check/raising them unless its clubs though
Definitely disagree about the sizing paradox; live players ranges are usually so weak that overbets work great as bluffs because they simply cant call. Small bets work excellent for value to keep them wide. The key to setting this up is to make sure you have at least a PSB available on the river. Hero's x/r on the flop negated that. Typically what you want to do is be in a RFI 3 barrel spot.
Guy got totally outplayed. Simple as that. He had his soul, he knew. Anyone can get outplayed by anyone
I dunno I feel like $500 would always be a bluff… what is he saving $300 for the road? Tough spot though. I think Bart nailed it at the beginning x/r A hi flop is a lil more risky than a board where over cards can still come
It's not that he's saving it, it's that he wants to make sure he gets called.
I know we dont always care about blockers but Seven of clubs is literally the worst card you could have in your hand when running this. Since its limped pot hero is in the BB his range is ATC, why would you pick literally one of the worst cards you could have to run it? Better combos that give the villain hands that could actually fold, 34o, 48o, random bottom pairs thay block villain from having 2p/ sets. Hero picked one of the worst combos
Bro I haven’t even watched the video yet but just yesterday I was the pre-flop raiser on a A A 5 flop and I led and barreled the turn with diamonds (I didn’t have an ace) and then I’m about to barrel the river the dude goes “I have a full house I’m being nice check it down” and I checked and he showed A3 I called him “a Fuckn bitch”
He lied? In poker?!!
@@mickaelmalove2553 we were somewhat cool but not anymore
If you had a set of 5’s why would you go all in? It looks like your trying to buy it. Betting for value in the river makes you more believable does it not?
great quality punting. a pre flop fold was a better strategy but Im a nit eh? lol
He was BB, bud
Open folding bb is an alpha move I like it
Caller is way overthinking
Opponent is thinking „I have a pair I call“ & doesn’t care what the hero might have
If hero had it, he gets paid off by 1 pair all day by betting big
He over bets the pot on the turn and wonder why he doesn't fold the river
So the caller was a fish.. got it
These guys don't bet call sets 2 pr even 65 - their bet call range is bluff catchers and clubs - I'm arreeeen - if they have a set - they are 3 betting flop fasho .. i think the only 2 pairs call jam are a7 and aj
10 unblocks bluff
Whenever I see a big check-raise on the flop I think it's someone who wants to get a lot of money in on a flush draw. I don't think the villian saw the raise to $90 as a pot-sized bet with a value hand. I think the villian saw it as a 6x raise with a flush draw or combo draw.
betting matters where you are to villian and weak players...