Phil Hay: Leeds heading for the drop, questions need to be answered
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2023
- The Athletic's Leeds United writer Phil Hay checks in to review the West Ham game and examine the bigger picture that sees the Whites staring down the barrel of the EFL.
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Who would have guessed that selling the best two players in the fittest team in the league, buying half a dozen players from minor European leagues, and then letting the team's fitness drop to 70% could have negative consequences?
If the fitness has dropped to 70%, surely the player's wages should also drop to 70%. There is no excuse for these players not to be supremely tuned athletes. They are just wee boys without proper leadership.
@@starmersbarber At the end of the day mate, if nobody was standing over me at work, I'd do f- all either....
Why did we outrun every team earlier in the season if fitness dropped so much?
@@starmersbarber I would have thought that the player's fitness is down to the club/training staff. The players will do as much as they are told to do.
@@Agtsmirnoff because it's all excuses... team was fit under Bielsa and Marsch... Gracia and Allerdyce want to defend all day, people are idiots.. it is not a fitness issue
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How will we get rid of Bamford? he is 70K a week and several years on his contract. He completed 2 passes in his 38 minutes.
It’s quite an achievement. From lighting up the Premiership with exciting, exhilarating football two season ago to being boring Premiership dross with unfit players not up to the task. Nice job Victor and Jesse. The architects of our journey back to Championship mediocrity. Just proves how much of a miracle worker Bielsa was.
Getting the correct manager is so important this summer. Hope they can at least get that bit right.
Our league 1 team would run this lot ragged. Gradel vs Ayling 😆 snoddy vs firpo 😆
Dude that's a grim thought
Beckford bechio howson johnson aswell, miles better
@@adamwedgwood4814 true though isn’t it
@BielsaBall 100 percent, that league one team was brilliant
Beckford v Bamford
This is a perfectly "Leeds" thing to do! It's been coming and there are many factors. The Titanic didn't sink because it hit an Iceberg, it was the 10 mistakes before that caused it to hit!
I see people in general blaming the 49s, Radz and especially Orta which I totally agree with but what about Bielsa?
Look into history in Latin America and even Spain and you will read about "Bielsa Burnout" which is physical and mental tiredness. Add to this a squad of "Championship"players, playing above their level to finish 9th ( without fans).
My one big question is WHY the squad wasn't overhauled in June/ July 2021 or January 22? Were the 49s/ Orta undermining Bielsa? Or was Bielsa happy to continue with these players? 7 started vs West Ham yesterday. Bielsa always said that signings would come in ONLY if they were better than what we have and I don't think he would have stayed after the windows of the 21/22 season if he didn't get what he wanted.
"we're so sh!t it's unbelievable" as the Gelderd end used to sing in the 80's!
Left side of the kop here.
Never sang that one as far as I can remember.
@@bocca7789 I used to be on the left side near the scoreboard - used to sing that, must have been when Eddie Gray was manager for the very first time.Before Billy Bremner was manager we were really sh!t.
@@BadAppleBlues you remember the 2 cockney whites? Loved the left side.
Probably right about the song.
Rose tinted glasses here.
It was rough football back then
@@bocca7789 Cockney whites, Bradford whites marching on together! It is fair to say that some of the songs we sang in those days would be frowned upon now!!!!!
This isn't about fitness. It's about morale & togetherness.
This team is divided & in anarchy. That comes from above. Trickle down effect.
You are right. But they aren’t fit enough either.
@@markhardcastle9820 Not like they were with Bielsa. No. Not even close.
If they are not fit enough then this is on the players as well. There is nothing to stop them staying longer during training sessions to improve their overall fitness. It is just another excuse from a shambolic embarrassing team. Get rid of them all.
We (from Radz to fan) have all been sucked-in to a madmans vision. Hook, line and Bielsa. Orta the Destroyer
Absolutely right. He was an egotistical fraud and both Radz and Angus accepted it. They both need to F off and I’d like us to sell all our players; need a complete reset and make Perkins, Gray, Joseph, Gelhardt and Cresswell first teamers immediately.
@@KhanivoreQniba We need a vision and the right people to realise it. Hernandez, Milner, youth plus a excellent Director of Football with worldly contacts as well as have a eye for players with iQ and grit. Unbeatable combo. (😎I should know) 🤣
If the centre forward is injured and you aren’t bringing the £35m forward on, then why is he on the bench?!
If you don’t think he’s up to it, that’s fine, don’t pick him
But to then name him as a sub and not pick him is just plainly ridiculous, and this ignoring the fact they needed a goal
The more annoying thing is that the teams who WON’T be relegated . How we have finished below the likes of Forest , Bournemouth , Fulham , Brentford is disgusting
Oh I don't know, Brentford are a forward thinking club with a good owner and they've had 2 good seasons in the PL. Fulham have done well in their first season back, Bournemouth were one of the favourites for relegation,but unlike Leeds they have fought to stay in the PL. Same with Forest, tipped for the drop but have shown some grit to stay up. We are in relegation trouble because we deserve to be and Radz knows that very well.
brentfords wives and girlfriends are fitter than your lazy lot, and to have finished higher than fulham and brentford you would have to be in the top 8
yep, most frustrating thing is how easy it was to escape this year. look how awful we've been and yet we are still not down yet. taken 2pts out of 24.
11 wins since biesla left says it all 11 wins in 2 years
Forest are so poor going forward no threat
Pressure means nothing if you don't convert your chances!
The sad thing is, this won't be a bounce back up in a year situation. We will be in the Champions League for a couple years before this rebuild is effective enough to come back up.
I'd take Champions League tbf
Not a kin chance Bournemouth ain’t gonna do us any favours after what we done down there in 88/89 can’t remember probably play the under 12’s as seniors already gone to St. Lucia!
keep big sam .he will sort the dross out .hes already told the players they are crap .
Not for me. Agree he'll weed out the shite but a new coach would do that anyway, sticking 10 players behind the ball and hoofing it up the pitch and by passing the midfield is what I've just witnessed the last 3 games! He's tightened nothing up at the back still conceded 7 in 3 games! His style of football went out of fashion 20 years ago. A young fresh coach with new ideas needed, the games moved on.
fuck sakes how can you have watched that game and decided Allardyce is the answer
@@joebarraclough4148 Some of our fans seem to be mental, to be honest.
I know everyone’s upset but this clear out is 100% needed, we have some good young players and a debt free Leeds United with parachute payments and billionaire owners in the Championship is such a mismatch it’s almost laughable.
Do we really have no debts? We need to pay augustin his lost wages. Still paying off for other players to their former teams.
@@tanyajacobs9974 Debt free was bad phrasing, I forgot that’s how transfers are done now. I should have said “basically debt free in the grand scheme of things.” Factor in Phillips and Raphinha and we will owe about £100m over 5 years. We can recoup most of that by selling Harrison and Meslier. The wage bill drops by 55% so from £120m that’s £54m which is exactly the same as our last Championship turnover. This time we have £45m in parachute payments on top of that. The money from player sales is straight in the back pocket and knocks the wage bill down even further.
They covered more ground under Bielsa and Marsch... How can they be unfit just defending all day? Maybe sitting back is the problem
I remember in the Bielsa days, in the post-match interviews the players would still be gasping for breath. Not so much in the |Marsch days or since then.
Lacking fitness in many respects. Fitness to wear the shirt, even the modest expectation for them to win a game occasionally weighs too heavy . LLL
Orta is to blame. He bought absolute turkeys from the Austrian league?!
Ayling is no leader and captain material. We virtually go down in the final 10 games with him as captain!
Ayling’s comment about their fitness doesn’t reflect well on the players.
Surely, if you’ve been concerned about your lack of fitness all season, then surely as professionals (and Ayling and Cooper as senior players) they should have said something to the hierarchy and the players should have forced the club to get them fitter!!
I don't think this fetish we have about "leadership" and captaincy in English football is a real thing. You don't hear about much in Spanish or Italian football. If we had some shouty bloke standing there barking at everybody, we'd still be shit.
No team in the premier would take him. Nuff said
@@AldershotDave He's throwing his teammates under the bus. Nothing is HIS fault. Maybe he should stop starting fights with fans online during the week and focus on his fitness and being a leader.
Back To The Future !
Ayling talking about fitness when he was walking around in the second half against Bournemouth is a bit rich
He puts in a shift every game. He's pointing the finger at a couple of players specifically.
down down but not too deeper and down
Watching this team I just do not get how we are so lacking in determination and organisation. SO many games where we are in a good position and then just give up. Why have Rutter on the bench and not play him. So many questions that need answers like why are they not fit.
Which imbecile bought Rutter for £36 million and gave him a massive salary more to the point.
Perhaps we just have to accept that they are really poor players. And Sam is a really poor manager. Leaving on a striker who's playing on one leg instead of "gambling" with our record signing says it all about how badly we've been coached.
I think McKennie could be good for us in the Championship. Those long throws are wicked. Shame though.
Get ready for bottom half championship again.. If we're lucky. Ffs just play the reserves and build from there. Oh well it was good ride MOT
Dan- ya can't blame those peepers on the swimming pool 😂🍻
WORST LEEDS TEAM IVE EVER SEEN….67 years old just to put that into perspective!!!!!!!
I’m 48 and it’s not the worst imo. But it is the most gutless, characterless, beige Leeds team I have ever seen. They have no self respect or professionalism. It reflects the culture of the club.
I am 78 and I agree
Funny thing is, you had a team with fight and fitness under Marsch
What ashambles of a season.Marsch,and Gracia were hopeless.Radz and Orta what a pair theyve been.Players that arent good enough.Leeds deserve to go down.Alot of these players need to go.
Problem
No left back
Never replaced Aloski
Still team full of championship old players
Here comes the fire sale……but who wants to buy players that have failed moreover than not this season?
Glad that s*** is over, now...Priority number one has to be to get rid of Bamford. He alone cost Leeds at least 4 vital points. He's not even a Championship striker. As for the board they didn't learn from the previous season and Leeds have paid dearly for their short sightedness. Also about 4 seasons to fix the striker and left back problems and it was never addressed. How much time did they need? They need to look back and see what worked in the past - A core of older, experienced players surrounded by a wealth of young talent, aka Strachan, McCallister, Speed, Batty. They have the young talent already in the likes of Gnonto (please hang on to him!) and Summerville and call back all the loaners like Gelhardt and Cresswell, players who have some fight and talent. What they now need is to pick up a decent older, experienced striker, midfielder and defender. A striker who can get the ball in the back of the net regularly which is something Bamford fails to do.
It's got to the stage where I don't care anymore. Let's just go down, sell everyone and rebuild then come back with a team that has some sort of credibility
There seems to be a few fractured relationships between certain players, and that seems to have manifested itself from the Palace game.
Attention Angus !!!!!!! Time to design another badge then get back to Chelsea mate.
Big Sam can’t really make it any clearer……this squad just aren’t good enough to play in the Premiership! Truth is many of them will struggle in the Championship next season!
No doubt the fitness isn't what it used to be, but using that as an excuse is a joke.
Trying to find every excuse except the one is obvious to anyone not blinded by sentimentality.
Remember we bragged about running 11k more Kms than Chelsea earlier in the season?
Ayling is just making excuses. Maybe he should focus on being more of a leader and not starting shit with fans online during the week?
But because he's one of the "golden boys", we just take what he says as Gospel.
Bought a new 60' TV at the weekend to watch the Premier league next year........ Took it home, opened the box.... No bloody Leeds 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 IRONS IRONS IRONS IRONS ⚒⚒⚒
Never heard that one before. ( yawn) 😂
🥱🥱🥱we heard that one when Trevor Brooking was in your team.😴😴
@@tonyc2837 You mean you were still getting BATTERED back then aswell???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣⚒👌 Have you ever thought maybe football isn't for Leeds?? 🤣🤣
Radz has taken LUFC from being a sinking ship, to being a sinking ship and made c£150m or 600% return in the process of flipping the club.
No wonder he is still smiling. He dos not care what he leaves behind. He has made his fast buck of a return.
I know Sampdoria are desperate, but lets hope their fans do some due diligence.
The 49er will make us worse.. the fact radz has the shittest record for decision making.. him teaming with a consortium stinks of another bad idea. This is a team of men that will only want to spend so much of their money until they get fed up and tight about spending
If he still the Chairman we will be long time see again Premier league
3rd lowest wage bill in the league, sell our 2 best players and dont improve at any position. Was always coming and we'd be the worst team in prem history to stay up if we did
This team have been absolute dogmeat for two years. Orta signed some absolut shite and jumped ship before relegation. I almost welcome relegation and I hope Sam stays and gets rid of all the shite Orta signed. We go again with a fresh slate.
Dont like the statement we have asked for this. They have asked for this ans we are the suffering consequence as fans
Bottom line is they aren't very good players.
What a football shambles. Tragic.
We have no spirit no identity no one has the right to kiss the badge ideally I would like them all to go apart from adams
You can bet your bottom dollar we sell players cheaply. Gnonto adams will be prime examples. No backbone no leadership
The worst tea in Premier league . Deserves to go down plus I am glad Italian going to lose millions pounds, because all he is Very BAD management.
I’m still feeling sad
Players not good enough get a grip and grow up
Let's go down and get rid of the lot of them ...Ayling and Bamford are a joke..they will never play in the Premiership again....I hope..😂
Bamford will guaranteed play in the Premier League again. It's fine to ride him for missing the one chance the team made for him and forget the other chances we squandered --- for instance Summerville missed enough to win the game after coming on as sub -- but other teams will see a good player who can do a great job if fit. And maybe if he's bought by Burnley, they'll actually get him fit.