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“why didn’t they just leave?” So a psychologist by the name Dr. Stuart Hart did an examination on both Erik and Lyle and he said that Lyle had the mental capacity of a 10 year old for his age of 21 and Erik had the mental capacity of a 8 year old at the age of 18. Jose and Kitty had made them SO dependent on them through their entire lives because their parents directed and dictated their entire lives for YEARS. And Jose told Lyle from the age of 5 that you can never trust anyone and he kept doing that until he was an adult. So the psychologist said it was impossible for them to leave because of this. Their whole story is just heartbreaking..their parents failed them, relatives, the goddamn system, literally everyone failed them.
THAT IS SO FREAKING SADDDDD! I can totally understand all of this. Living in those times I bet was awful as well just not having the openness to say anything.
Exactly. and why so many women stay in abusive marriages for years? Actually Lyle was left to Prisnston he was there for summer holidays and Eric wanted to leave for college but his dad told him no. So that was his last chance to say to Lyle what was happening and ask for help.
Do you really think José couldn't find them? He simply banned Erik from going to a far away college just to continue torturing him. And please, let's consider for a few seconds what the mental health of these boys was like? I hope that after this show you guys will be interested in watching the Netflix documentary.
I mean they were older but this was all they knew, i mean they were raised to think this was normal and then to just submit and accept. a child who is abuse their whole life their abusers become this big monster they can't get away from, Lyle and Erik never made a decision without Jose's agreeing with it. Erik and Lyle where both emotionally and mentally stunted, a child who is abuse can have a slower mental development. Lyle wet the bed at 14 years old and still had stuffed animals at 16 years old and Erik never had a girlfriend, and Kitty made him get one around 16 because it could look like he was gay,he never had one because he felt like a girl could tell about his sexual abuse and he never told Jose No, until he was 17 and Jose took a hunting knife and put it to his neck and said something like you never tell me no or I'll kill you. Jose sexually abuse Erik his whole life, i mean that a different kind of trauma, the boys describe Jose like a Greek or Roman god, not like a dad, and normally you wouldn't stand against someone you saw as a god, who told you your whole life they can kill you.
56:34 Regarding the "Why didn't they just leave" part, you have to remember that Erik had it drilled into his mind since the age of 6 that this was his entire life. Now obviously you guys haven't seen the whole show or other documentaries as far as I'm aware so you won't know all the details. So this comment isn't an attack on you, it's just my opinion! Erik and Lyle had been completely brainwashed since they were kids. Once when Erik was 17 he tried to stop the abuse and said "No" to his father. In response, Jose held a huge knife to Erik's throat, threatened him, and said "I should kill you. Next time I will." Jose then forced Erik to watch himself in the mirror as he was being abused. Link to Erik's real testimony (it's obviously very graphic): th-cam.com/video/pZ-VjaYxdy4/w-d-xo.html A huge, huge amount of abuse victims have the 'power' to leave but simply do not leave. It's a very complex scenario and I believe it's mentioned in some of the Special Expert testimony during the real Menendez brothers trial (which is entirely on the Court TV website for free, a few vids are also on youtube.) If you ever have time, you should watch Dr. Ann Burgess' testimony, she's an expert psychologist who worked for the FBI. She believes, even to this day, that Erik and Lyle were abused. In fact, most abuse victims are actually killed while in the process of leaving. Think of OJ Simpson. Erik also tried to run away at 12 and his father found him and brought him back. I can't remember exactly what happened but his father most likely threatened him into never doing it again. Erik's entire life was abuse and pain, and simply leaving or putting a stop to the abuse just wasn't a possibility. It did not exist in his world. Sorry for the long rant. I really like your reactions by the way. I'm sure you already know but Episode 5 will be really tough. It's a gruesome episode but it's also my favourite because of how well the actors did.
Con respecto a su pregunta sobre porqué no se fueron de la casa, no recuerdo si fue Erik, pero una vez dijo que si se fue de la casa pero su padre lo logró encontrar y lo regresó de nuevo y le dijo que él no se irá, incluso él esperó ir a la universidad porque pensó que de esa manera se iría de la casa ya que habían universidades que le daban alojamiento incluido a los alumnos, pero su papá se negó y prefirió mandarlo a una en la que sólo se vaya a estudiar y regrese a casa.
In the mind of a victim, fearing for their life every moment, living in hell, there is no “just leave”. You genuinely believe there is no possible escape. Your abuser is just too powerful. The world itself isn’t a safe place when they are in it.
Importante recordar el estado mental que estaban,no soy buena explicando la psicología pero les recomiendo al Doctor Adrián Salama, hizo un análisis de los hermanos al igual que que Pam, una especialista en lenguaje no verbal y ambos concidieron que los hermanos Menendez tenían un comportamiento infantil lo curioso es que varios especialistas que han analizado a los hermanos a dicho lo mismo.
@@Alex_y_Vero m.th-cam.com/video/y8CyzceWZaA/w-d-xo.html Está es de Pam y éste es de el Doctor m.th-cam.com/video/y3vNUMRHXCM/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUmZG9jdG9yIGFkcmlhbiBzYWxhbWEgaGVybWFub3MgTWVuZW5kZXo%3D😊
@@Alex_y_Vero Esté es del doctor Adrián m.th-cam.com/video/y3vNUMRHXCM/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUmZG9jdG9yIGFkcmlhbiBzYWxhbWEgaGVybWFub3MgTWVuZW5kZXo%3D y éste es de la especialista en lenguaje no verbal m.th-cam.com/video/y8CyzceWZaA/w-d-xo.html.
Existe una explicación psicológica pará su comportamiento recordemos que fueron abusados sexualmente desde los 6 años tanto Erik como Lyle estaban muy dañados psicológicamente y emocionalmente por lo que en paranoias no encontraron otra salida es similar con la gente que se suicida ellos no están estables y no encuentran otra salida.
Sigo sintiéndome en conflicto con esta serie. Siento que sobresexualizaron a las víctimas y también intentaron mostrar a Lyle como un idiota arrogante y ruidoso, algo con lo que nadie que lo haya conocido está de acuerdo.
No but Eugene weens who served time with Lyle did say he was disrespectful and thought he was better than everyone else, I've also read he could be sassy and manipulative. I also watched the documentary and people in that said he took after his dad and was aggressive and domineering. No one knows what he was like unless they knew him personally.
@@tomodachiotaku8004 well clearly not everyone agrees with that description of him do they, he wasn't some perfect victim. It makes me laugh all these fans obsessed/ stalking these two thinking they know every last detail about them and how they behaved. I bet if the brothers read half the comments people post about them they would be laughing there asses off at you.
@@tomodachiotaku8004 well it's not a documentary and Ryan Murphy has said the show is seen through the many different perspectives of people at the time of the murders, and remember that two people are dead so they can't speak or defend themselves about these allegations against them.
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We tried uploading this one a couple of times so we had to remove the music and only leave the vocals so if it sounds weird sorry. Hope you enjoy it regardless, this episode was tough :(
If you want to see it unedited you can join our Patreon. www.patreon.com/poencimatv
“why didn’t they just leave?” So a psychologist by the name Dr. Stuart Hart did an examination on both Erik and Lyle and he said that Lyle had the mental capacity of a 10 year old for his age of 21 and Erik had the mental capacity of a 8 year old at the age of 18. Jose and Kitty had made them SO dependent on them through their entire lives because their parents directed and dictated their entire lives for YEARS. And Jose told Lyle from the age of 5 that you can never trust anyone and he kept doing that until he was an adult. So the psychologist said it was impossible for them to leave because of this. Their whole story is just heartbreaking..their parents failed them, relatives, the goddamn system, literally everyone failed them.
THAT IS SO FREAKING SADDDDD! I can totally understand all of this. Living in those times I bet was awful as well just not having the openness to say anything.
Exactly. and why so many women stay in abusive marriages for years? Actually Lyle was left to Prisnston he was there for summer holidays and Eric wanted to leave for college but his dad told him no. So that was his last chance to say to Lyle what was happening and ask for help.
Do you really think José couldn't find them? He simply banned Erik from going to a far away college just to continue torturing him. And please, let's consider for a few seconds what the mental health of these boys was like? I hope that after this show you guys will be interested in watching the Netflix documentary.
We will, but most viewers recommend to finish this first
I mean they were older but this was all they knew, i mean they were raised to think this was normal and then to just submit and accept. a child who is abuse their whole life their abusers become this big monster they can't get away from, Lyle and Erik never made a decision without Jose's agreeing with it. Erik and Lyle where both emotionally and mentally stunted, a child who is abuse can have a slower mental development. Lyle wet the bed at 14 years old and still had stuffed animals at 16 years old and Erik never had a girlfriend, and Kitty made him get one around 16 because it could look like he was gay,he never had one because he felt like a girl could tell about his sexual abuse and he never told Jose No, until he was 17 and Jose took a hunting knife and put it to his neck and said something like you never tell me no or I'll kill you. Jose sexually abuse Erik his whole life, i mean that a different kind of trauma, the boys describe Jose like a Greek or Roman god, not like a dad, and normally you wouldn't stand against someone you saw as a god, who told you your whole life they can kill you.
that's actually my reaction like yours when their mother said " you think i didn't know "
That was hooooorible 😩
56:34 Regarding the "Why didn't they just leave" part, you have to remember that Erik had it drilled into his mind since the age of 6 that this was his entire life. Now obviously you guys haven't seen the whole show or other documentaries as far as I'm aware so you won't know all the details. So this comment isn't an attack on you, it's just my opinion!
Erik and Lyle had been completely brainwashed since they were kids. Once when Erik was 17 he tried to stop the abuse and said "No" to his father. In response, Jose held a huge knife to Erik's throat, threatened him, and said "I should kill you. Next time I will." Jose then forced Erik to watch himself in the mirror as he was being abused. Link to Erik's real testimony (it's obviously very graphic): th-cam.com/video/pZ-VjaYxdy4/w-d-xo.html
A huge, huge amount of abuse victims have the 'power' to leave but simply do not leave. It's a very complex scenario and I believe it's mentioned in some of the Special Expert testimony during the real Menendez brothers trial (which is entirely on the Court TV website for free, a few vids are also on youtube.) If you ever have time, you should watch Dr. Ann Burgess' testimony, she's an expert psychologist who worked for the FBI. She believes, even to this day, that Erik and Lyle were abused.
In fact, most abuse victims are actually killed while in the process of leaving. Think of OJ Simpson.
Erik also tried to run away at 12 and his father found him and brought him back. I can't remember exactly what happened but his father most likely threatened him into never doing it again. Erik's entire life was abuse and pain, and simply leaving or putting a stop to the abuse just wasn't a possibility. It did not exist in his world.
Sorry for the long rant. I really like your reactions by the way. I'm sure you already know but Episode 5 will be really tough. It's a gruesome episode but it's also my favourite because of how well the actors did.
Con respecto a su pregunta sobre porqué no se fueron de la casa, no recuerdo si fue Erik, pero una vez dijo que si se fue de la casa pero su padre lo logró encontrar y lo regresó de nuevo y le dijo que él no se irá, incluso él esperó ir a la universidad porque pensó que de esa manera se iría de la casa ya que habían universidades que le daban alojamiento incluido a los alumnos, pero su papá se negó y prefirió mandarlo a una en la que sólo se vaya a estudiar y regrese a casa.
Fue Erik que dijo que el intentó escapar pero los padres lo encontraron
After this series you guys should watch the documentary the brother made.
In the mind of a victim, fearing for their life every moment, living in hell, there is no “just leave”. You genuinely believe there is no possible escape. Your abuser is just too powerful. The world itself isn’t a safe place when they are in it.
I really like these reactions! i keep waiting for ep.5 reactions to be uploaded, likee seriously i cant waittt!!!
Love these reactions!!
Can y’all react to the actual testimonies and documentary on them?
Will do once we finish this one 🙌
the best reaction of all in the series, greetings from Argentina
Importante recordar el estado mental que estaban,no soy buena explicando la psicología pero les recomiendo al Doctor Adrián Salama, hizo un análisis de los hermanos al igual que que Pam, una especialista en lenguaje no verbal y ambos concidieron que los hermanos Menendez tenían un comportamiento infantil lo curioso es que varios especialistas que han analizado a los hermanos a dicho lo mismo.
Wow eso nonlo sabia, podrias pasarnos el link si lo tienes please 🫶🏼
@@Alex_y_Vero m.th-cam.com/video/y8CyzceWZaA/w-d-xo.html Está es de Pam y éste es de el Doctor m.th-cam.com/video/y3vNUMRHXCM/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUmZG9jdG9yIGFkcmlhbiBzYWxhbWEgaGVybWFub3MgTWVuZW5kZXo%3D😊
@@Alex_y_Vero Me encanta sus reacciones 😊esperemos Lyle y Erik puedan ser libres esté año.
@@Alex_y_Vero Esté es del doctor Adrián m.th-cam.com/video/y3vNUMRHXCM/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUmZG9jdG9yIGFkcmlhbiBzYWxhbWEgaGVybWFub3MgTWVuZW5kZXo%3D y éste es de la especialista en lenguaje no verbal m.th-cam.com/video/y8CyzceWZaA/w-d-xo.html.
@@Alex_y_Vero Por cierto los sigo con mis 2 cuentas.
Existe una explicación psicológica pará su comportamiento recordemos que fueron abusados sexualmente desde los 6 años tanto Erik como Lyle estaban muy dañados psicológicamente y emocionalmente por lo que en paranoias no encontraron otra salida es similar con la gente que se suicida ellos no están estables y no encuentran otra salida.
Tyyy for the episode!! Muchas gracias ☺️
me encantan sus reacciones a esta serie pero tardan mucho en subirlas..
Enrealidad nos dio mucho problemas de copyright y nos bloquearon el video como 4 veces hasta q al fin conseguimos como 😑 pero ya vienen más episodios
@@Alex_y_Vero ok muchas gracias
Sigo sintiéndome en conflicto con esta serie. Siento que sobresexualizaron a las víctimas y también intentaron mostrar a Lyle como un idiota arrogante y ruidoso, algo con lo que nadie que lo haya conocido está de acuerdo.
No but Eugene weens who served time with Lyle did say he was disrespectful and thought he was better than everyone else, I've also read he could be sassy and manipulative. I also watched the documentary and people in that said he took after his dad and was aggressive and domineering. No one knows what he was like unless they knew him personally.
@@maine0389 Many people who have met him have said that he is a calm and kind man.
@@tomodachiotaku8004 well clearly not everyone agrees with that description of him do they, he wasn't some perfect victim. It makes me laugh all these fans obsessed/ stalking these two thinking they know every last detail about them and how they behaved. I bet if the brothers read half the comments people post about them they would be laughing there asses off at you.
@@maine0389 I didn't say it was perfect, it's just not the caricature that Ryan Murphy created.
@@tomodachiotaku8004 well it's not a documentary and Ryan Murphy has said the show is seen through the many different perspectives of people at the time of the murders, and remember that two people are dead so they can't speak or defend themselves about these allegations against them.
Please react to episode 5 soon
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