As an African woman I find this so embarrassing. It’s like they found the least educated Nigerians and put them on a stool and just told them to pull out of their empty heads. Imagine suggesting white people taught African women progress. I’m honestly appalled at the level of illiteracy on the subject. Women were movers and shakers in Africa and in fact colonialism set us back.
Dey whine yourself. What we call pace setting in this part of the world before the Europeans came to our shores are just a bunch of arbitrary and useless things. If our women are half of what people like you claim they were back in the day, we won't have so much depravity and societal failure as we do today. You guys fail to understand that over 90% of African Men were raised over 95% by African women. therefore whatever ills we experience in society today is as a result of the failure of women in raising adequate men.
If feminism was such a foreign concept to Africa, how did people like Queen Nzinga of the Congo come to be ? Or tribes of women warriors ? Both sides were nonsensical, honestly.
I mean the Eliza guy has to be the biggest mumu I have ever heard this year. Saying a white man are more superior to us because of their inventions. Internalized racism at its finest. Quite a shame
Saying things like "the man is the head, the woman is the neck" is the ultimate form of gaslighting. It's such an arbitrary example. Imagine justifying slavery by saying something similar. Ultimately, it's a matter of depriving women of that choice. And seeing relationships as something with "authority" is not a good sign.
Absolute bs!! What in the world works as a unit without the acknowledgment of the presence of a leader in it? Be it in the office, place of worship, school, team work in sports and what have you there is always someone at the fore front and if this is a known fact already who should do it?? A man or a woman??
@@shukiivibez Relationships aren't organised institutions. There is no innate "hierarchy" present. And even if that were the case, why indeed should it be the man and not the woman?
@@shukiivibezI see you're one of those men who can't control their emotions. The point of feminism is to say that women can be heads too. The man isn't always and shouldn't always be the head by default. When a male leader gets upset, he destroys his enemies and everything associated with them. Somehow, you guys have convinced the world that a woman being "emotional" is a weakness when it's quite opposite - it's what gives us the resilience to deal with the mess most men create in the world.
"His life is at risk in the living room where's watching football, while the woman is in the kitchen where is safe" is a crazy statement. I really need these men to touch grass, because how is the living room less safe than the kitchen.
Knowing that men are the ones who perpetuate abuse in households and politics aswell as being the leading starters of war. Men are literally know to abuse the power that they have given themselves. This is a tactic meant to benefit men by trying to make woman believe that they are not capable of making sound decisions. So it’s weird when women are on the opposing side because these people are fighting to make the world less comfortable and convenient for you BASED on your gender.
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Women can handle power. Nigeria like many African countries are not led by men. Transsexuals have more testerone than them.
@@iduzeth5606 it might not be but it’s ridiculous to claim that the reason women cannot lead is about them not being able to handle power or abuse it when our reality with men ruling is abuse, corruption etc
It’s wild to me thinking they are the same when the results show men surpassing women in almost every facet of life. There is a reason why they have separate competitions for men and women. Women can’t compete with men. Blame biology.
It's also the fact that no one on this planet would even exist, if not for their mother's nutrients from the womb and the inevitable trauma of childbirth. They literally wouldn't exist, and yet they still try to make you believe that women are somehow beneath them.
It's also very interesting how the conversation keeps going back to wives being in the kitchen cooking and cleaning - feminism is a much wider discussion than cooking and cleaning. Women want the authority to make decisions for their life - if a women wants to be a stay at home wife, thats great and if she doesn't, she should also be able to make that decision too.
I feel for the auntie that’s had a bad experience in her marriage and everyone just disregarding her point of view and experience; I pray God allows her to heal from it 🙏🏾
@@jointhecruiseabeg shut up! U are bringing heavily uneduacte people who are stuck with old century mentality. U say this is entertainment purposes or just opinion. This is just pure foolishness any stupidity. Wake up and realize more women are getting into uni than men.
@@jointhecruisethis so why no one can be better than jubilee. Stop trying to be them cuz y'all lack intelligence. There a difference with opinion and pure insult. This is the 21st century. Think more wisely before posting these things. This video needs to be taken down. This is why africa will be considered irrelevant in the western world. Y'all are Centuries behind Wake up.
The reason why men were the primary inventors was largely due to the fact most cultures around the world during most of human history emphasized that women only needed to learn how to cook, clean, serve their husband, have children, serve the husband's family, and have children. At most, women would learn how to make clothes, blankets, cloths, sing, dance, play instruments, read a little, write a little, and perhaps learn some home remedies from the other women in the family. Women were largely barred from places that taught about the science of this world, government, and other subjects not entirely connected to the home, to a brothel, or could be used for entertainment for males. I also want it to be known that the "men built the world argument" shouldn't be used if we can't also say that "women built you and gave you life". We can't downplay one thing and uphold the other.
@jww0007 And that's why y'all asses are weak because you think it's all about physical strength. At most, you'll be a bodyguard and fertilizer, but for science, math, rulership, and progression, you're relatively useless
And I also think "women built you and gave you life" shouldn't be used if we can't also say that "you need a man and a woman to create life". But except from that i do agree with you
@@swattertroops-yaaa It's amazing how many men feed into their own insecurities and egos and only see their worth based on how they can inflict violence. Using your logic, any man who has a larger muscle mass than you personally, would make you less significant in comparison. And by the way, hyenas, like lions, are matriarchal. The females rule those groups.
Elisha sha! His views are so misogynistic. Who says feminism is about women dominating men? We’re calling for equal rights. Barbie is just a movie. Rest IJN!
yes that’s what’s called for but that isn’t how it’s being practiced nowadays, especially third wave feminism. there’s extremists to every ideology and a lot of feminists nowadays aren’t calling for equal rights but domination and misandry
the barbie was the worst example to use to explain women dominating men, the movie had good points, but was not it, and as man i found it laughable of view of men in the movie
Why didnt they call more knowledgeable people to participate in this discussion?? 😭 The anti feminists were saying rubbish as usual and the feminists werent doing a good job at countering the ignorance and misinformation from the other side..Cruise, is there a way to sign up for subsequent discussions?
@@wealthjohnson6462watching ball is not a need. So if you want ball and you die because of it then that’s on you😂 if when you are actually saving your family from something like armed robbery that’s when you are risking your life 😂😂😂
Or let’s say you are a footballer and you die on pitch Ehen I can say you died cause you were trying to provide for your family so you are actually risking your life. Not sitting down and watching ball then you die
I like how the guy in black put things into perspective. That the goal of feminism just as democracy; is good but practiced wrongly doesn’t change the goal. Meanwhile the arguments made by the guy in green (with spectacles) were too vague and irrational
I noticed that the anti-feminist viewpoints lacked a lot educational depth and most of it seemed to stem from “women shouldn’t be better than men” . Also just to address the notion of the prompt that said “the world favours men…” ; The patriarchal system wasn't established to favor women but men ;so yes the world was designed to favour men and In fact, it creates problems for both men and women by sticking to old-fashioned gender roles. And right now as time has progressed , those same expectations that were created by MEN are causing difficulties for men in this modern day, affecting their mental health and how they're seen in society. - And the guy towards the end talking about how the most successful people in the world are Men, like what do you expect, the patriarchal society was designed to favour men so obviously they got to benefit more, because women started a later stage. It’s like colonisation, the whites that colonised Africa are ahead because they had leverage and it doesn’t speak on the incompetence of African countries. I think it’s important to acknowledge these issues to work towards a fairer and more equal community.
The Patriarchal system also includes prior to our current civilised world. The patriarchal system can also be depicted as the time where there was danger in the world, dangers in hunting and gathering, dangers through war. Men didn’t always benefit from the patriarchal system and were once seen to be expendable during times of war. I do agree that we should work towards a more equal society but we’ve come a long way and to just completely do away with traditional values in patriarchy may have unintended consequences. Women need to take pride in the household and men need to take pride in leadership without abusing their position.
@@justinuwaidia5873 While it's acknowledged that the patriarchal system has historical roots, claiming that men were always expendable during times of war oversimplifies the complex dynamics of historical societies. The evolution of societal norms doesn't negate the need for progress. While maintaining certain values, it's crucial to address the limitations and inequalities inherent in traditional gender roles. Striving for a more equal society doesn't necessarily mean abandoning all traditional values; rather, it involves adapting and reshaping them to better suit the needs and aspirations of all individuals, irrespective of gender.
@@jeanrewss I just disagreed with the prompt that it benefitted men, that’s all. I’m neither for or against feminism, I’m more critical of the attempt to convince women that the patriarchy is oppressive. I think choice is what we’re all fighting for. I’d even argue that there’s actually an over correction in regard to what women are fighting for. If women would focus on choice in opposed to actually fighting to be men, society would benefit more. Men are better built to be career driven as it makes them more attractive to women and more valuable in status. Women don’t benefit from this whatsoever. I find it funny that a lot of women don’t want to work 40 hours a week. A lot of women don’t like the stresses of the work place, and would rather be stay in their feminine and take care of the home and family… unfortunately the nature of the patriarchy is really a psyop which benefits governments more than it does the average woman’s mental health and happiness. In the least sexist way, in a way I think men make better choices for women than women do for themselves. Play the game to your strengths and you’ll likely win more often than not.
Feminism is not just about marriage & relationships - the Bible also says wives, submit to your husbands and husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the church as Christ gave himself up for the church. It goes both ways, it also does not say women should submit to any man they come across, its in the context of marriage. Feminism is about fighting for equal rights, equal pay, for women to have a voice, not to push men down. The barbie movie was a great display of how women have been treated for centuries & it was satire. Men and women are equal and have been created equally, we both have strengths that help each other
Bless you dear. My colleague in a school teaches CRS. This man in the name of trying to motivate the only boy in the class, said that he can't let them beat him and that he's the head of the family 😮😮😮 which family? A boy of 13 years, someone that has barely touched puberty 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ I'm not under any man without my consent. Even my father, it's because of respect and he raised me, I'm also under my mother so it's not a gender issue. One day, I believe God will lead me to a man whose life and heart is fully submitted to Him alone.
You both make good points but contradict yourselves at the same time…sweetheart like it or not you are under the submission of your father because he was your father and he played the role of a father to you, how would you feel if your father said he is not under obligation to you just because you’re his daughter?? (That’s were your mistake was lol)
@shukiivibez oh 100%, agree with you! I'm referring to the scripture reference that was made in the video. I'm under obligation to my father because of the relationship that I have with him - he also has obligations to me as I am his child, not just morally but also legally. If a parent is neglectful to their child, there are legal ramifications! I'm referring to how we are not under submission to any man, but the Bible specifically references husbands and wives. The Bible also says we should honor our mother and father! :) hence why I would be under submission in my Father's house as well, not to any man that I have an interaction with. Of course there are the general societal rules that we follow such as following the rules your manager gives you, listening to your teacher at school, etc etc but a women is not to be under full submission of any man she encounters.
Correct. The minute a man feels like he can't force a woman to be with him, his whole existence is challenged. Not all men but most want to be mediocre as possible and still have a woman to accept their standards. I heard a saying before that some don't want equality because they think the same barbaric practices they put into the world will be done to them.
4:49 why are you ok for men to dominate women, but the possibility of the tables being turned scares you. maybe you don't agree with the status quo much after all
Make them no bring this Chiamaka come again 😭 She's closeminded and doesn't allow people to air their views before talking. You can't go anywhere having a conversation with that type of person. See how she was yelling at that older woman because she was simply airing her views which she didn't allow her to say.
Exactlyyyy , the sad thing is that those people just want to capture the attention, and get the views of their target which is mostly men so they’ll say what you want to hear😂😂 At the end of the day it’s their market niche and theyre profiting from the views lol They may not even think like that in real life, and supposing they do those people’s lives are nothing to emulate and dumb men are taking advice from someone who has barely got their life together and you may even be better than them 😂
@@baptistkotalo6790 The Christian religion began following the crucifixion of Jesus in the 1st century AD. The movement began with Jewish people from a region called Judea, in what is modern-day Israel and Palestine, so Christianity came from the Middle East
@@chantelnatalya6433 When there was a bounty placed on Jesus' head, he came up Africa. His presence couldn't be hidden because if so, why did the wise men come from the East to worship Him and why did His parents have to go into Egypt to keep Him safe?
Elisha referencing Barbie is killing me😭 ''97 to 98% of the world made by men'' WHO SET THAT UP??? Women never had a chance back then, so how do you expect them to have more than 2% contribution to development??? Even the women who were influential in the past still struggled greatly.
The anti-feminist side is not very enlightened on a lot of things. Two out of four were just misogynists. If you have to use "but the Bible says..." in a debate about human rights, despite knowing the Bible doesn't dictate human rights, you've already lost the argument. It's very clear they didn't watch Barbie, because if they did, they'd know the goal of Barbie was the exact opposite of what they thought it was. The point of Barbie land being matriarchal is to draw parallels between the real world to show how it is to be subjugated because of your gender. At the end, they realized the error of their ways and decided everyone, men and women, has a say. So, Barbie land didn't remain matriarchal. Also, the goal of feminism is to dismantle the patriarchy, and once you take out the patriarchy, it doesn't leave a matriarchy but instead an egalitarian society. Also, when feminists proclaim "men and women are equal," they're arguing that men and women are deserving of equal rights in respect and dignity, not that they're the same. That man was also being very dishonest when he said he's okay with being looked down upon by white men just to stand by his point. He knows well the reason why Africans weren't inventing much was because there were barriers and they weren't given opportunities, just like women weren't. Relationships should not be hierarchical; it poses a power imbalance. You can be equals in a relationship; you're both committing to each other. The antifeminists countered their own point occasionally. Anyone, feminist or not, can tell society privileges men over women; that's basic knowledge. Antifeminists whole argument is all about men being stronger than women, despite pro feminists never claiming otherwise because we know, generally men are stronger than women, and this doesn't mean any given man would automatically be stronger than a woman. The last thing, men are not transitioning into women to dominate women's sports; that's simply not happening. Only one trans woman has ever won a national title. No one is upending their life to transition just to dominate sports. I really wished they let the feminists speak more, and they had better counterarguments for the misogynists they were up against.
Traditionalists respect women they have. The strongest features to that religion is women. The aspect of the divine mother takes care of everyone where everyone feels accepted. Christianity is definitely a cause for the imbalance . “Women is the neck and man is the head” .
@@rhe987I respectfully disagree. Many of these traditions are also responsible for traumatising widowhood rituals, discriminatory inheritance laws, FGM etc (depending on where you are in Africa). Many Christians have misinterpreted the Bible to suit their vested interests. That same book has stories of heroic women who worked with God to break social norms. Jesus' attitude towards women is the standard.
I just started this vid and I’m literally at 0:08 where he said 97-98% of inventions are made by men Women would’ve made more inventions in the past if they were given the rights, resources, education, freedom and more The only reason men made so much more than women was because they were given rights to education, resources, people believed they could do it more so they funded them, etc
It’s hilarious that mister “men are protecting the family by watching football while women slave away in the kitchen” doesn’t think it’s important if a man kills a snake when it comes in 🙄
@@Rumbu_Panyone who says they are anti feminist is not a feminist in anyway not in its “ current state” not in any way. Feminism just means equal right for men and women.
you won't find any anti feminist who make good points, because people who are educate don't buy into such a stupid idea. it takes both genders to bring life into the world, so both genders should be respected.
Feminism didn't come out of nowhere, if those women were treated well they wouldn't have done all those things. Unfortunately nowadays feminism is nothing like the original one, just like Nietzsche said when you fight something beware that you yourself do not become that thing.
I feel that a lot of people view feminism through a colonial white Christian lens, which makes feminism same as a threat. I fear that a lot of traditional African values were lost a long. We forget that a lot of traditional African cultures were led or advised by women once upon a time. They always want to say that feminism was a western invention but they also forget to acknowledge that their ideas of patriarchy are also ideas of Western and Christian influence. They want to talk about European and white men brought feminism but they're not mentioning who brought them their particular form of Christianity. It's the same people. People always want to quote the part in the Bible where it says women submitting to their husbands but forget the part that comes right after that! Reminding husbands to love their wives like they love God how he loved the church, which I feel is even stronger and deeper. And let's not quote the Barbie movie if you haven't watched the movie. I can tell a lot of their talking points were just from what they heard from conservatives, who also didn't sit and watch the movie. But don't get me wrong I'm glad these conversations are being had, but sometimes I feel that people come in only to push their view and not to find middle ground. Anecdotal stories are not facts, and empirical data is is without emotion. However both are necessary to have an effective conversation and productive communication.
It’s so funny how they missed the whole point of the Barbie movie, that Barbie world where men were subordinate to women and women were in charge is literally what life is like for the average woman TODAY
The anti feminists agreeing that feminism came from European culture but try to use a European religion to base their “African tradition” is so stupid. Like that bible is European, what is the actual African culture please
@@chiomaogbonna841 The modern brand of christianity developed for over 1000 years in medieval Europe till now, just because it was born in the middle east doesn't make it eastern in culture per say
@davyroger3773 it is not European, like the Sabbath worship which was written to the bible can also be linked to Judaism, the laws of moses, Jews read those books which are in the bible. The laws in the bible aren't European.
That man wearing green cap is sooooo unintelligent😂. He said after patriarchy is matriarchy. Oga, after patriarchy is EQUALITY. That's what you call equilibrium.
Every movie has a message, the role of the feminist movement is to emasculate men, not for a fare treatment. Men are being disqualified from a potential positions because the other candidate is a woman, but society can't discuss that as well.
@@calisa1322What about when the higher ups try to convince our men that denying women’s rights is somehow going to help us as a people? There is no way for a weakened uneducated parent, regardless of gender, to raise a child better than someone who can give their kids the tools to actually be successful in life.
I wish more people knew about how many inventors were women. They made a lot of the things we use today Edit- y’all’s misogyny is showing💀 men have been getting credit for their inventions for centuries. All I said was “hey there were women who were inventors. They should get credit too” and y’all are bothered💀 I’m done responding to any of y’all this is honestly eye opening and disappointing.
He forgot that in the matter of invention, women and Africans are in the same boat. It's because of the denial of higher education and even the right to speak sef that delayed certain things. There have been controversy about stolen credit from black inventors due to slavery and racism. I bet that there are some inventions by women that were released under pen names like the case of female authors for the same reason and some who just let men take the credit so that the invention can at least see the light of day.
@@shukiivibez men were given more opportunities in the past. Some of the top universities didn’t allow women to attend until 1961. So yea men did make more inventions but it wasn’t because women didn’t try or didn’t want to. They weren’t even given the opportunity to nor were they even given the knowledge to.
@@shukiivibez but just so you know, because I doubt you do, here is a list of inventions that women have made. Dishwasher, icecream maker, home security system, foot pedal trash can, disposable diapers, Kevlar, polonium and radium, circular saw, windshield wiper, car heater, life raft- there’s more than that
Feminism is not a western idea its been going on for thousands of years in different countries including Africa, what about the equally yoked verse in the bible
I disagree with that guy that said feminism is for total dominance over the men. It's absolutely false. Feminism is about choice. Don't just take away our choices, that's all we are asking for, it's not that hard to comprehend.
I kind of agree with him. Just didn’t like the example. Women and children are saved during disasters. That’s not equal. IT courses are made very cheap or free for females. Not equal. Cut off points are made more flexible for women when they want to do engineering courses in Ghana. Not equal
@24:00 I’m shocked at guy in the green indirectly saying that the BM is lesser than the WM. African Americans would have ripped him a new one talking like that. He’s insane.
The guy in black on the feminist side is very smart. I liked how he answered the “what a man can do a woman can do better” . As a woman I agree with his answer, the saying should be about the fact that a woman can obviously do what a man can do because she is equally a humanbeing however when it comes to doing it better, she has the potential to do it better . Not any woman will be able to step up in a difficult role , and not any man would be able to step up in a difficult role. It all comes down to how good the person is regardless of their gender. It’s the potential of doing better than men as a fellow human counterpart is what should be the focus.
For me feminism is just about giving women choice. We are all human beings and equal and if someone tells you that u can't do something cause you're a woman even if that's the case, I think you should let her the choice to actually decide that.
@Bluehead485 what are you talking about. I defn study more history then you. Feminism is a western concept, there no name for Feminism in any African language, or Arabic or punjab cause it never existed. Feminism is introduced by the west just like Christianity was introduced by the west.
Hey Cruise. Cool videos, please keep it up. However, I would like to suggest if you can thoroughly screen guests that come on your show. Some people don’t seem to understand the prompts and tend to become too sentimental without trying to listen or understand the other side. I feel like if you’re coming to a show like this, you should be able to understand that you’re coming to discuss with people with different beliefs from you, not coming with serious bias with the aim to instill your own beliefs… ‘Cause it seriously got tiring while watching the video. Other than that, I think you guys are doing a great job. The first time I saw your videos I thought it was jubilee lol. Really nice quality, just the casting that might need more attention.
Thank you for the kind words. We totally agree with you. We've started some more critical screening and hopefully the casting for future episodes would be way better than this.
Let us not be deceived if this is how the average African thinks we need to know. Sometimes I wonder why our country is so dilapidated but seeing videos like this reminds me. I’m surrounded by smart people but now I know that most of them are like this - so it makes sense why our continent is the way it is.
What? I haven't even watched that part. Huh? That's crazy. Such a colonized mindset 🤦🏽♀️ I won't even try to argue with that kind of person that will say such.
he’s a fool for that statement, he didn’t know how to retort to what the guy next to him said so he conceded to foolishness in order to stand strong in his point
I had to pause again. So while the woman is cooking. The husband is security. Do these people think before talking? So people just randomly breaking into the house while your wife cooks. Common sense isn't so common.
Worst part of it, if men are expected to go out and provide, how will they “protect” the woman when he’s away? Most households I’ve seen are protected by the woman. Even in the animal kingdom it is the mother that protects her babies, the fathers are usually not around when the attacks come.
@iremiposiajayi122 When men say they are providers and protecters, I laugh. I ask, "What are you providing and protecting?" Reply, "I pay the bills, and if someone breaks into the house." Sir, you need to do better than that. If you don't provide 100% of the bills, you are a co-provider. What about emotionally, mentally, spiritually, sexully (I mean more than dick), and the rest of them. I have been in my house for x years and never a break in. All of a sudden, I marry you, and then someone is going to break in to prove you can protect your family. These dudes need to stfu. It is funny and sad at the same time.
Actually if they go biblical, these men that are against women being their equal would be upset about what the Bible says.The Bible values women highly. The worst thing humans tried or did with the Bible was twist it to suit their own agendas. What a shame.
Stop, they had valid points. I loved that they got to speak it shows that feminism is not just something that woman see as important but something that some men also see as important.
20:48 is the greatest gaslighting ever 😂😂 Men naturally don’t like house chores, cooking, washing plates, sweeping etc. But saying as the woman is cooking you’re putting your life on the line by watching football is the highest from the of gaslighting from an educated person. We all cannot be perfect, admit your incompetencies and find a partner that can match with you.
I understand where you're coming from, but I do my agree that men don't "naturally" like chores. It's not a natural thing, we're just socialized into it. We've been so indoctrinated into believing chores are for women, that's why we feel that way. Clearly, there are also women who don't like chores, doesn't mean it's "natural", it's just how people are from different backgrounds.
Ya it’s a weird analogy but I get what he saying he basically saying men are also in the watch to protect their family in case danger comes lol so, his role his very important although ur not often used 😅
It’s important to not only show "ideal" people in media, in the real world we will always encounter people with different opinions than our own, it’s giving everybody fair chance to see where the opposite sites are coming from. Ironically enough, alienating people will only further create division amongst all of us as a society.
Sending love to the feminist side especially Ade and Ms Olubunmi. Just wish we had more dominant personalities with solid counter-arguments. This Chiamaka is an airhead pick-me biko. Tufiakwa!! Where in her bible did she see the head-neck analogy?? The guyS in green🙄🤦🤦🤦
I hate people who think that men and women aren’t equal due to their physical attributes and capabilities. Like obviously we have physical differences but when we are talking about equality we are referring to being treated as equals in society like men and women being offered the same opportunities, pay, equity etc.
I disagree, women are not necessarily easily convinced. The reason I think that some people decided to ask this question is because some people noticed that it's amongst Africans that our women are bald heads. But it's starting to change, thankfully!
0:58 African women have always had a voice and have always fought for themselves. So saying feminism is a western movement is crazy. Is 1929 a joke. Before you criticize Feminism define what your ideology about it is
Feminism is not solely about women’s empowerment, feminist activism goes both ways for males and females… the main goal is equality for all. We respect our men and the role they play however feminism seeks to draw more light on the recognition of women capabilities, equal treatment regardless of the gender.
11:13 the issue with this area is that people mix the hierarchy within marriage and in society. I'm equal to any man, including my future husband. However, I'm going to choose to be under his leadership in obedience to God, so it's not about the man, it's about God. Also, don't submit to a man who hasn't submitted to God. I mean we choose to be under the authority of the men we elect into government, our pastors and religious leaders, you can always decide to do otherwise but we choose to stay under their leadership. And if they disappoint us, we always revolt against them
I will never understand how a woman can willingly subject herself to her male partner, as if she has no autonomy of her own .... and all of this is determined by something as arbitrary as his anatomy. I get that that's what written in that book, but the logic just isn't there for me.
@@msaniitz5588 subjecting is more forceful. That's why I used the example of government. Even in other spaces, we vote for one person to lead, now these people aren't Autocratic either. As a wife you still have your agency, for me it's more of a figure head thing. The same verse that says a woman should submit also says that like Christ died for the church the man should do so and also be ready to forgive her no matter what: before Christ, men could divorce their wives as they liked but the woman didn't have a reason to leave. Also, the man has to submit to his wife too and God. That means you have to choose a person who fears God
@@tamiausten873 By stating that "subjecting is more forceful," you're recognizing how extreme this hierarchical structure can be. "Subjecting," "person to lead," "figure head," "submit to" ... it's all the same topic of a power imbalance. An image of force or control would never be evoked within a relationship of partnership and cooperation, which amazes me how it's not even a preferred option. Your book of reference was written thousands of years ago, BY MEN, FOR MEN, during a very misogynistic time. It ignored the real source of nature, where one can also see the true value of women. It flipped the script (women came from men? Really?!!) & doubled down on men's insecurities & egos, telling them they had to constantly feel superior to feel good. Men need to control themselves, NOT women. The book tells you not to challenge its logic, so I get that's where you're coming from. I just find it sad to witness my fellow sisters still succumbing to such a world.
@@msaniitz5588conditioning will do that to ya. It breaks my heart that they see themselves so low that they believe they need a man to lead them. Intelligence, wisdom, being logical isn't inherent to men. But because of socialization and conditioning u see statements like hers.
If it wasn’t for a BLACK WOMEN we would still be using maps, if it wasn’t for a BLACK WOMEN we would have taken a lot longer to go into space, if it wasn’t for a BLACK WOMEN. Just to name some people who changed the world. I am disappointed that these people were selected for this conversation. It was not informative at all and very backwards in thought. There are some amazing black people who could have sat in them seats. Women who did ted talks on black culture, race, women’s rights etc. FIND THEM WOMEN! This was a waste of filming. Please do better when selecting in this category of panellists
1:57 Without representation from all African countries, this debate should have just spoken about feminism in Nigeria. My culture values women and their opinions. No white man taught us that
Elisha is very short sighted and ignorant. Refering to barbie as an example of encouraging female dominace even though the movie literally ended in the breakfown of that society is insane. Then he said "when we break down thw patriarchy we have the matriarchy" why is there no in-between ?
It’s embarrassing when you don’t know about your culture and your history and that’s what colonialism and slavery caused back back. I come from Burkina Faso and the mother of my ethnicity is Yennenga. She was the only daughter of the King at that time, but that lady was fighting on the battlefield. She led his army. Behanzin, the emperor of the nowadays Benin - the country- had a personal guards army made of only women. In Ghana, if I am not mistaken, the royalty was given by the Queens. It was a matriarchy. I can’t say that it was a general practice among all tribes, but it happened. Feminism is not and will never be a war against men. That is what many people failed to understand. It’s to permit women to benefit from the same right as men in the society, such as having a job, being able to buy land, owning a home, having a bank account, being able to have your car, to drive, being able to handle and have a say in your medical procedures, being paid equally at equal qualifications and so on and so forth. If you are afraid of feminism you are insecure.
Lol it’s actually funny to think about because when you realize that the head can not move without the neck, you’ll realize that saying that the man is the head and woman is the neck really means that they have to work together.
And heaven forbid they should just advocate for team-work, collaboration, and partnership, instead of catering to these type of men who have to punch down in order to feel good about themselves.
Historically, men have often been more prominently recognized for their inventions due to various social, cultural, and systemic factors that have restricted women's opportunities for recognition and participation in certain fields. However, there have been countless inventions and innovations by women that have significantly impacted various industries and fields. Some notable female inventors include Ada Lovelace (considered the world's first computer programmer), Marie Curie (pioneering research on radioactivity), Rosalind Franklin (critical contributions to the discovery of the structure of DNA), Stephanie Kwolek (invented Kevlar), Hedy Lamarr (co-inventor of frequency hopping spread spectrum technology, which laid the groundwork for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth), and many others.
That oga talking about Barbie did you actually watch it at all. One of the main themes was when the kens came together to realize that were equally as important ans the Barbies so what exactly was your point.
the amount of made up things in this video is crazy… im 2 minutes in and he’s saying feminism came around in 1870, but the first women’s classic novels advocating for their rights were in the early 1700s??
All I hear is.. We liked the way it was. We want it to stay that way.Men are leading and women stay quiet and do what your told and I hate that for y'all
Africans weren’t taught Christianity by the white man lol, it existed in africa way before they came and conquered and white washed everything. Do you actual research
Men and women are equal human beings in society. In marriage, especially as a Christian, it’s different, the husband leads the relationship, he is the head of the home. The wife follows the leadership of her HUSBAND! In society, no one should tell me that I can’t run for president because I’m a woman or something ridiculous like that.
Hi Cruise. It will be great to have people bring on intellectually stimulating conversations on here. Some of these people were putting out baseless facts and it was just sad to see. Well done though
I think the show needs to fact check some of the responses as people aren’t necessarily being factual. People must back up their claims with legit references.
Since time memorial, men as a collective, have never respected women or given women a chance. In my opinion, it comes down to the absolute basics, respect.
19:48 - 22:36 'the society is deigned to favour men; Maxwell Gozie proceeds misuse the gift of speech coupled with what I would classify as mediocre understanding of English language. Thank you to Ade for grounding him back to the prompt
I really wish i could be part of the creative and content strategy department of cruise. There are a lot of prompts that could've been asked but were for some reason left out. Is there a way I can apply?
Feminism is not about being able to carry the same weight or endure more physical stress; this is not physiologically possible, as we are not built physiologically the same. Instead, it is about equal opportunities and rights, as well as no judgment or credit to our gender for our mistakes and successes.
As an African woman I find this so embarrassing. It’s like they found the least educated Nigerians and put them on a stool and just told them to pull out of their empty heads. Imagine suggesting white people taught African women progress. I’m honestly appalled at the level of illiteracy on the subject. Women were movers and shakers in Africa and in fact colonialism set us back.
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It’s sad how these people might not even know the definition of feminism
Dey whine yourself.
What we call pace setting in this part of the world before the Europeans came to our shores are just a bunch of arbitrary and useless things.
If our women are half of what people like you claim they were back in the day, we won't have so much depravity and societal failure as we do today.
You guys fail to understand that over 90% of African Men were raised over 95% by African women. therefore whatever ills we experience in society today is as a result of the failure of women in raising adequate men.
If feminism was such a foreign concept to Africa, how did people like Queen Nzinga of the Congo come to be ? Or tribes of women warriors ? Both sides were nonsensical, honestly.
I mean the Eliza guy has to be the biggest mumu I have ever heard this year. Saying a white man are more superior to us because of their inventions. Internalized racism at its finest. Quite a shame
The amount of misinformation in this video is staggering
It’s is madness, 😢
I can’t get over the girl in a short dress blonde hair and piercings talking
When most of the information about feminism comes straight from the pulpit
@@thedonutlady she's a walking embarrassment.
No ounce of self worth.
Bruh. It’s insane. On both side.
Saying things like "the man is the head, the woman is the neck" is the ultimate form of gaslighting. It's such an arbitrary example. Imagine justifying slavery by saying something similar.
Ultimately, it's a matter of depriving women of that choice.
And seeing relationships as something with "authority" is not a good sign.
It's like the feudal lords, who became land owners solely because of their bloodlines.
Thank you so much!
Absolute bs!!
What in the world works as a unit without the acknowledgment of the presence of a leader in it? Be it in the office, place of worship, school, team work in sports and what have you there is always someone at the fore front and if this is a known fact already
who should do it??
A man or a woman??
@@shukiivibez Relationships aren't organised institutions. There is no innate "hierarchy" present. And even if that were the case, why indeed should it be the man and not the woman?
@@shukiivibezI see you're one of those men who can't control their emotions. The point of feminism is to say that women can be heads too. The man isn't always and shouldn't always be the head by default. When a male leader gets upset, he destroys his enemies and everything associated with them. Somehow, you guys have convinced the world that a woman being "emotional" is a weakness when it's quite opposite - it's what gives us the resilience to deal with the mess most men create in the world.
"His life is at risk in the living room where's watching football, while the woman is in the kitchen where is safe" is a crazy statement. I really need these men to touch grass, because how is the living room less safe than the kitchen.
Ahahahaha exactly!!! When I heard that I was like huhh?? Come again???
That man in general was just talking too much like stfu
His example was damn lame😂😂
Yes it is!!!
Honestly! I cleaned my ears when I heard that and I was wondering why no one interrupted him. He was just saying rubbish! Made 0 sense whatsoever
“Women cannot handle power they tend to abuse it”…. Yet look at all patriarchal governments, especially Nigeria’s☠️☠️😭
Knowing that men are the ones who perpetuate abuse in households and politics aswell as being the leading starters of war. Men are literally know to abuse the power that they have given themselves. This is a tactic meant to benefit men by trying to make woman believe that they are not capable of making sound decisions. So it’s weird when women are on the opposing side because these people are fighting to make the world less comfortable and convenient for you BASED on your gender.
Women can handle power.
Nigeria like many African countries are not led by men. Transsexuals have more testerone than them.
Ikr all the corruption and they think women would be an issue.
Doesn’t mean it would have been any better in matriarchal rule
@@iduzeth5606 it might not be but it’s ridiculous to claim that the reason women cannot lead is about them not being able to handle power or abuse it when our reality with men ruling is abuse, corruption etc
Girl my African great grandmother was a feminist, she believed women needed to be treated the same as men as fought for that where she lived.
Thinking a man is above a woman is so wilddd to me. In 2024 too?
The culprit is that book of theirs that came with the colonizers.
Welcome to Africa my brother
It’s wild to me thinking they are the same when the results show men surpassing women in almost every facet of life. There is a reason why they have separate competitions for men and women. Women can’t compete with men. Blame biology.
It's also the fact that no one on this planet would even exist, if not for their mother's nutrients from the womb and the inevitable trauma of childbirth. They literally wouldn't exist, and yet they still try to make you believe that women are somehow beneath them.
they i think you should not believe that manual that came with the machines from your colonizers@@msaniitz5588
It's also very interesting how the conversation keeps going back to wives being in the kitchen cooking and cleaning - feminism is a much wider discussion than cooking and cleaning. Women want the authority to make decisions for their life - if a women wants to be a stay at home wife, thats great and if she doesn't, she should also be able to make that decision too.
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thank you, they just put uneducated people on the sit, its more than cooking and cleaning. education nko, right to choices nko
I feel for the auntie that’s had a bad experience in her marriage and everyone just disregarding her point of view and experience; I pray God allows her to heal from it 🙏🏾
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The way that pick me Christian woman spoke to her was appalling. I’m a Christian myself and it frustrated me seeing how the anti feminists treated her
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@@jointhecruiseabeg shut up! U are bringing heavily uneduacte people who are stuck with old century mentality. U say this is entertainment purposes or just opinion. This is just pure foolishness any stupidity. Wake up and realize more women are getting into uni than men.
@@jointhecruisethis so why no one can be better than jubilee. Stop trying to be them cuz y'all lack intelligence. There a difference with opinion and pure insult. This is the 21st century. Think more wisely before posting these things. This video needs to be taken down. This is why africa will be considered irrelevant in the western world. Y'all are Centuries behind
Wake up.
The reason why men were the primary inventors was largely due to the fact most cultures around the world during most of human history emphasized that women only needed to learn how to cook, clean, serve their husband, have children, serve the husband's family, and have children. At most, women would learn how to make clothes, blankets, cloths, sing, dance, play instruments, read a little, write a little, and perhaps learn some home remedies from the other women in the family. Women were largely barred from places that taught about the science of this world, government, and other subjects not entirely connected to the home, to a brothel, or could be used for entertainment for males. I also want it to be known that the "men built the world argument" shouldn't be used if we can't also say that "women built you and gave you life". We can't downplay one thing and uphold the other.
EXACTLY!
@jww0007 And that's why y'all asses are weak because you think it's all about physical strength. At most, you'll be a bodyguard and fertilizer, but for science, math, rulership, and progression, you're relatively useless
@@swattertroops-yaaain bonobos the males are larger and stronger but the females rule…
And I also think "women built you and gave you life" shouldn't be used if we can't also say that "you need a man and a woman to create life". But except from that i do agree with you
@@swattertroops-yaaa It's amazing how many men feed into their own insecurities and egos and only see their worth based on how they can inflict violence. Using your logic, any man who has a larger muscle mass than you personally, would make you less significant in comparison. And by the way, hyenas, like lions, are matriarchal. The females rule those groups.
Elisha sha! His views are so misogynistic. Who says feminism is about women dominating men? We’re calling for equal rights. Barbie is just a movie. Rest IJN!
Thank youuuuuu!!!!
yes that’s what’s called for but that isn’t how it’s being practiced nowadays, especially third wave feminism. there’s extremists to every ideology and a lot of feminists nowadays aren’t calling for equal rights but domination and misandry
that’s what’s called for but a lot of the times that isn’t how it’s practiced, especially third wave femnism
He clearly didn't watch the Barbie movie, cause he'd have known that's not what the Barbie movie was preaching
the barbie was the worst example to use to explain women dominating men, the movie had good points, but was not it, and as man i found it laughable of view of men in the movie
Why didnt they call more knowledgeable people to participate in this discussion?? 😭 The anti feminists were saying rubbish as usual and the feminists werent doing a good job at countering the ignorance and misinformation from the other side..Cruise, is there a way to sign up for subsequent discussions?
Thank you for your interest, please see the link in the description....
Exactly my thoughts!! The feminists weren't even rebutting what the anti-feminists were saying, especially the female anti-feminist Amaka. Rubbish 🗑️
I was so frustrated watching this too. So many points missed that would have countered the nonsense.
Same here,I was just mad watching this
@@jointhecruiseEh! Is Ade single?! Asking for a friend 😂
Did this guy literally just call watching football risking your life? Gaslighting 101
Did you watch the Nigerian match on Wednesday, do you know how many men that died that day?
@@wealthjohnson6462 Only South African men died that day
@@wealthjohnson6462watching ball is not a need. So if you want ball and you die because of it then that’s on you😂 if when you are actually saving your family from something like armed robbery that’s when you are risking your life 😂😂😂
Or let’s say you are a footballer and you die on pitch
Ehen I can say you died cause you were trying to provide for your family so you are actually risking your life. Not sitting down and watching ball then you die
This is what i hate about feminist you get an argument debunked and you choose to start selecting faults in hs example
I like how the guy in black put things into perspective. That the goal of feminism just as democracy; is good but practiced wrongly doesn’t change the goal. Meanwhile the arguments made by the guy in green (with spectacles) were too vague and irrational
I noticed that the anti-feminist viewpoints lacked a lot educational depth and most of it seemed to stem from “women shouldn’t be better than men” . Also just to address the notion of the prompt that said “the world favours men…” ; The patriarchal system wasn't established to favor women but men ;so yes the world was designed to favour men and In fact, it creates problems for both men and women by sticking to old-fashioned gender roles. And right now as time has progressed , those same expectations that were created by MEN are causing difficulties for men in this modern day, affecting their mental health and how they're seen in society. - And the guy towards the end talking about how the most successful people in the world are Men, like what do you expect, the patriarchal society was designed to favour men so obviously they got to benefit more, because women started a later stage. It’s like colonisation, the whites that colonised Africa are ahead because they had leverage and it doesn’t speak on the incompetence of African countries. I think it’s important to acknowledge these issues to work towards a fairer and more equal community.
Speak on it!!!
@@viggieokAriana what're you doing here? 🤣
The Patriarchal system also includes prior to our current civilised world. The patriarchal system can also be depicted as the time where there was danger in the world, dangers in hunting and gathering, dangers through war. Men didn’t always benefit from the patriarchal system and were once seen to be expendable during times of war. I do agree that we should work towards a more equal society but we’ve come a long way and to just completely do away with traditional values in patriarchy may have unintended consequences. Women need to take pride in the household and men need to take pride in leadership without abusing their position.
@@justinuwaidia5873 While it's acknowledged that the patriarchal system has historical roots, claiming that men were always expendable during times of war oversimplifies the complex dynamics of historical societies. The evolution of societal norms doesn't negate the need for progress. While maintaining certain values, it's crucial to address the limitations and inequalities inherent in traditional gender roles. Striving for a more equal society doesn't necessarily mean abandoning all traditional values; rather, it involves adapting and reshaping them to better suit the needs and aspirations of all individuals, irrespective of gender.
@@jeanrewss I just disagreed with the prompt that it benefitted men, that’s all. I’m neither for or against feminism, I’m more critical of the attempt to convince women that the patriarchy is oppressive. I think choice is what we’re all fighting for. I’d even argue that there’s actually an over correction in regard to what women are fighting for. If women would focus on choice in opposed to actually fighting to be men, society would benefit more. Men are better built to be career driven as it makes them more attractive to women and more valuable in status. Women don’t benefit from this whatsoever. I find it funny that a lot of women don’t want to work 40 hours a week. A lot of women don’t like the stresses of the work place, and would rather be stay in their feminine and take care of the home and family… unfortunately the nature of the patriarchy is really a psyop which benefits governments more than it does the average woman’s mental health and happiness. In the least sexist way, in a way I think men make better choices for women than women do for themselves. Play the game to your strengths and you’ll likely win more often than not.
Feminism is not just about marriage & relationships - the Bible also says wives, submit to your husbands and husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the church as Christ gave himself up for the church. It goes both ways, it also does not say women should submit to any man they come across, its in the context of marriage.
Feminism is about fighting for equal rights, equal pay, for women to have a voice, not to push men down. The barbie movie was a great display of how women have been treated for centuries & it was satire. Men and women are equal and have been created equally, we both have strengths that help each other
Bless you dear. My colleague in a school teaches CRS. This man in the name of trying to motivate the only boy in the class, said that he can't let them beat him and that he's the head of the family 😮😮😮 which family? A boy of 13 years, someone that has barely touched puberty 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ I'm not under any man without my consent. Even my father, it's because of respect and he raised me, I'm also under my mother so it's not a gender issue. One day, I believe God will lead me to a man whose life and heart is fully submitted to Him alone.
You both make good points but contradict yourselves at the same time…sweetheart like it or not you are under the submission of your father because he was your father and he played the role of a father to you, how would you feel if your father said he is not under obligation to you just because you’re his daughter?? (That’s were your mistake was lol)
@shukiivibez oh 100%, agree with you! I'm referring to the scripture reference that was made in the video. I'm under obligation to my father because of the relationship that I have with him - he also has obligations to me as I am his child, not just morally but also legally. If a parent is neglectful to their child, there are legal ramifications! I'm referring to how we are not under submission to any man, but the Bible specifically references husbands and wives. The Bible also says we should honor our mother and father! :) hence why I would be under submission in my Father's house as well, not to any man that I have an interaction with. Of course there are the general societal rules that we follow such as following the rules your manager gives you, listening to your teacher at school, etc etc but a women is not to be under full submission of any man she encounters.
Exactly, Men being offended about Barbie is just a visual representation of “put yourself in their shoes” 😂😂
@@AdelaideAnn oh yes I see your point now and I agree with you
Feminism is not a bad thing men are just scared women will leave them.
Correct. The minute a man feels like he can't force a woman to be with him, his whole existence is challenged. Not all men but most want to be mediocre as possible and still have a woman to accept their standards. I heard a saying before that some don't want equality because they think the same barbaric practices they put into the world will be done to them.
Women are leaving
like we care
Feminism is the worst thing
@@knix9014if you're gay just say that.
And WOMEN are the inspiration and role models for the Gays anyway ☺️🤷🏽♀️
I’m sorry but Chiamaka- why? A man is superior to a woman? So, a danfo driver is superior to Ngozi Okonjo Iweala because of his third leg?
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don’t mind the mugu😂💔
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She no get sense of self worth at all😂
Serious pick me
4:49 why are you ok for men to dominate women, but the possibility of the tables being turned scares you. maybe you don't agree with the status quo much after all
Exactly 😭
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Their argument is "there can not be to captains on a ship" then let women lead then? All of a sudden they recognize the problem of subjugation.
It's so bullshit. They know it's unfair but they enjoy the privilege.
The fact that the anti-feminists started contradicting themselves and arguing with each other is so funny and says alot😂😂
Because in feminism you cant! You get canceled
@@saidzueke4782that’s not true.
Make them no bring this Chiamaka come again 😭
She's closeminded and doesn't allow people to air their views before talking.
You can't go anywhere having a conversation with that type of person.
See how she was yelling at that older woman because she was simply airing her views which she didn't allow her to say.
I agree. She was horrible to the older woman and made weak points. Aggressive and insufferable
Honestly I feel ashamed of the Chiamaka girl . Serious messop 👎🏻
That man elisha needs to stop watching all those red pill videos
Exactlyyyy , the sad thing is that those people just want to capture the attention, and get the views of their target which is mostly men so they’ll say what you want to hear😂😂
At the end of the day it’s their market niche and theyre profiting from the views lol
They may not even think like that in real life, and supposing they do those people’s lives are nothing to emulate and dumb men are taking advice from someone who has barely got their life together and you may even be better than them 😂
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hes not totally wrong sha, red pill has a lot of facts in it
Have you ever heard of social engineering?
@@adilamusicTV yeah it's a team we use here in cybersecurity especially if you're preparing for security + exams
But if I say that Christianity is a Western concept 😶
They will ask God to strike you down lol. 😂
Christianity actually started in Africa do your research
@@baptistkotalo6790no it didn’t
@@baptistkotalo6790 The Christian religion began following the crucifixion of Jesus in the 1st century AD. The movement began with Jewish people from a region called Judea, in what is modern-day Israel and Palestine, so Christianity came from the Middle East
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When there was a bounty placed on Jesus' head, he came up Africa. His presence couldn't be hidden because if so, why did the wise men come from the East to worship Him and why did His parents have to go into Egypt to keep Him safe?
Elisha referencing Barbie is killing me😭
''97 to 98% of the world made by men'' WHO SET THAT UP??? Women never had a chance back then, so how do you expect them to have more than 2% contribution to development??? Even the women who were influential in the past still struggled greatly.
The anti-feminist side is not very enlightened on a lot of things. Two out of four were just misogynists. If you have to use "but the Bible says..." in a debate about human rights, despite knowing the Bible doesn't dictate human rights, you've already lost the argument.
It's very clear they didn't watch Barbie, because if they did, they'd know the goal of Barbie was the exact opposite of what they thought it was. The point of Barbie land being matriarchal is to draw parallels between the real world to show how it is to be subjugated because of your gender. At the end, they realized the error of their ways and decided everyone, men and women, has a say. So, Barbie land didn't remain matriarchal.
Also, the goal of feminism is to dismantle the patriarchy, and once you take out the patriarchy, it doesn't leave a matriarchy but instead an egalitarian society. Also, when feminists proclaim "men and women are equal," they're arguing that men and women are deserving of equal rights in respect and dignity, not that they're the same.
That man was also being very dishonest when he said he's okay with being looked down upon by white men just to stand by his point. He knows well the reason why Africans weren't inventing much was because there were barriers and they weren't given opportunities, just like women weren't.
Relationships should not be hierarchical; it poses a power imbalance. You can be equals in a relationship; you're both committing to each other. The antifeminists countered their own point occasionally. Anyone, feminist or not, can tell society privileges men over women; that's basic knowledge.
Antifeminists whole argument is all about men being stronger than women, despite pro feminists never claiming otherwise because we know, generally men are stronger than women, and this doesn't mean any given man would automatically be stronger than a woman.
The last thing, men are not transitioning into women to dominate women's sports; that's simply not happening. Only one trans woman has ever won a national title. No one is upending their life to transition just to dominate sports.
I really wished they let the feminists speak more, and they had better counterarguments for the misogynists they were up against.
😊😊😊 thank the heavens for this comment 😢
Dismantle patriarchy or dismantle men?
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You're the first sensible comment I've read. Wow
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If Nigeria doesn’t respect its women, then it will be destroyed.
Traditionalists respect women they have. The strongest features to that religion is women. The aspect of the divine mother takes care of everyone where everyone feels accepted.
Christianity is definitely a cause for the imbalance . “Women is the neck and man is the head” .
Preach!
@@rhe987maybe you and I are on the same page.
@@rhe987I respectfully disagree. Many of these traditions are also responsible for traumatising widowhood rituals, discriminatory inheritance laws, FGM etc (depending on where you are in Africa). Many Christians have misinterpreted the Bible to suit their vested interests. That same book has stories of heroic women who worked with God to break social norms. Jesus' attitude towards women is the standard.
Everyone should be respected, women and men. But I don’t see how it will be destroyed if men are the builders of society.
I just started this vid and I’m literally at 0:08 where he said 97-98% of inventions are made by men
Women would’ve made more inventions in the past if they were given the rights, resources, education, freedom and more
The only reason men made so much more than women was because they were given rights to education, resources, people believed they could do it more so they funded them, etc
It’s hilarious that mister “men are protecting the family by watching football while women slave away in the kitchen” doesn’t think it’s important if a man kills a snake when it comes in 🙄
I am anti feminist (in it current state, at least) & even i found that wild!
Most of them want to be traditional without being fully traditional.
They only want to be traditional when it fully benefits them!!
@@Rumbu_Panyone who says they are anti feminist is not a feminist in anyway not in its “ current state” not in any way. Feminism just means equal right for men and women.
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In reality they act like children but want to make all decision. Mchewwww
you won't find any anti feminist who make good points, because people who are educate don't buy into such a stupid idea. it takes both genders to bring life into the world, so both genders should be respected.
Thank you all anti feminists repeat the same talking points that can be easily debunked
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Feminism didn't come out of nowhere, if those women were treated well they wouldn't have done all those things. Unfortunately nowadays feminism is nothing like the original one, just like Nietzsche said when you fight something beware that you yourself do not become that thing.
Spot on! I'd never go near the monstrosity that is feminism today but I will always be pro the humanity and dignity of women (and men).
I feel that a lot of people view feminism through a colonial white Christian lens, which makes feminism same as a threat. I fear that a lot of traditional African values were lost a long. We forget that a lot of traditional African cultures were led or advised by women once upon a time. They always want to say that feminism was a western invention but they also forget to acknowledge that their ideas of patriarchy are also ideas of Western and Christian influence. They want to talk about European and white men brought feminism but they're not mentioning who brought them their particular form of Christianity. It's the same people. People always want to quote the part in the Bible where it says women submitting to their husbands but forget the part that comes right after that! Reminding husbands to love their wives like they love God how he loved the church, which I feel is even stronger and deeper. And let's not quote the Barbie movie if you haven't watched the movie. I can tell a lot of their talking points were just from what they heard from conservatives, who also didn't sit and watch the movie. But don't get me wrong I'm glad these conversations are being had, but sometimes I feel that people come in only to push their view and not to find middle ground. Anecdotal stories are not facts, and empirical data is is without emotion. However both are necessary to have an effective conversation and productive communication.
Barbie, a Satire, was a very good reference. Do people understand abstract art, dystopian concepts and thought provoking concepts at all?
How is that a good explain when Barbie was made from the premise that women too could be these things that where one male dominated.
This!!!
It’s so funny how they missed the whole point of the Barbie movie, that Barbie world where men were subordinate to women and women were in charge is literally what life is like for the average woman TODAY
In some parts of the world, women still don't have the right. In a middle east country, it was only recently, that the women were allowed to drive 😢
The anti feminists agreeing that feminism came from European culture but try to use a European religion to base their “African tradition” is so stupid. Like that bible is European, what is the actual African culture please
The Bible isn't European, but Middle Eastern
Exactly and the newly updated bible they preach from was rewritten by Roman men who hated women, so yes it is European.
@@KushQueen9 Christianity originally isn't European, Hebrew isn't a European language is it?
@@chiomaogbonna841 The modern brand of christianity developed for over 1000 years in medieval Europe till now, just because it was born in the middle east doesn't make it eastern in culture per say
@davyroger3773 it is not European, like the Sabbath worship which was written to the bible can also be linked to Judaism, the laws of moses, Jews read those books which are in the bible. The laws in the bible aren't European.
That man wearing green cap is sooooo unintelligent😂. He said after patriarchy is matriarchy. Oga, after patriarchy is EQUALITY. That's what you call equilibrium.
Why is he referencing a Barbie movie to contextualise the goal of feminism?
Have you ever heard of social engineering?
@@adilamusicTV no but I think I can deduce what that means
Everyone the higher-ups tell you what they going to do in movies so it's not a surprise to you. That Barbie movie is very relevant in today's world
Every movie has a message, the role of the feminist movement is to emasculate men, not for a fare treatment. Men are being disqualified from a potential positions because the other candidate is a woman, but society can't discuss that as well.
@@calisa1322What about when the higher ups try to convince our men that denying women’s rights is somehow going to help us as a people? There is no way for a weakened uneducated parent, regardless of gender, to raise a child better than someone who can give their kids the tools to actually be successful in life.
I wish more people knew about how many inventors were women. They made a lot of the things we use today
Edit- y’all’s misogyny is showing💀 men have been getting credit for their inventions for centuries. All I said was “hey there were women who were inventors. They should get credit too” and y’all are bothered💀 I’m done responding to any of y’all this is honestly eye opening and disappointing.
Often the same people would say that the patriarchy isn't a real thing.
He forgot that in the matter of invention, women and Africans are in the same boat. It's because of the denial of higher education and even the right to speak sef that delayed certain things. There have been controversy about stolen credit from black inventors due to slavery and racism. I bet that there are some inventions by women that were released under pen names like the case of female authors for the same reason and some who just let men take the credit so that the invention can at least see the light of day.
Women have definitely invented things in this world for sure but can you compare the numbers to that of men??
@@shukiivibez men were given more opportunities in the past. Some of the top universities didn’t allow women to attend until 1961. So yea men did make more inventions but it wasn’t because women didn’t try or didn’t want to. They weren’t even given the opportunity to nor were they even given the knowledge to.
@@shukiivibez but just so you know, because I doubt you do, here is a list of inventions that women have made.
Dishwasher, icecream maker, home security system, foot pedal trash can, disposable diapers, Kevlar, polonium and radium, circular saw, windshield wiper, car heater, life raft- there’s more than that
Feminism is not a western idea its been going on for thousands of years in different countries including Africa, what about the equally yoked verse in the bible
Africa isn’t a country
I don't think that's what they implied.@@elpistol8980
@@elpistol8980 Thank you
Thousands of years 😂😂😂😂 so when exactly? How many years before Christ? 😂😂😂😂
Stop talking none sense. Feminism is european.
Couldn’t sit through this whole thing. Y’all couldn’t find more informed and articulate speakers for a topic as serious as this.
I disagree with that guy that said feminism is for total dominance over the men. It's absolutely false. Feminism is about choice. Don't just take away our choices, that's all we are asking for, it's not that hard to comprehend.
Yes and in the Barbie movie, neither society actually worked well and that shows equality is better.
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Goes to show you a woman’s choice makes the man powerless because they can no longer control her
I kind of agree with him. Just didn’t like the example. Women and children are saved during disasters. That’s not equal. IT courses are made very cheap or free for females. Not equal. Cut off points are made more flexible for women when they want to do engineering courses in Ghana. Not equal
I find it insane that the woman with blonde hair and a septum is so against feminism, when I’m the west she would be perceived as a feminist. 😅
She's probably a pick-me
@@faithkerubo8357She issss!
She was pandering to the men ,it’s soo funny😂
Same 🤣
I was desperately waiting for someone to type this in the comments 💀
@24:00 I’m shocked at guy in the green indirectly saying that the BM is lesser than the WM. African Americans would have ripped him a new one talking like that. He’s insane.
HONESTLY!! That part got me so irritated
@@swattertroops-yaaaWhat makes you say that?
Honestly, such a disgusting opinion 🤮
@@swattertroops-yaaapls explain why you think the skin colour of an individual should be the basis of determining if they are lesser or not
@@swattertroops-yaaai honestly want to know why u think so
africa needed this channel. shout out from south africa
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The guy in black on the feminist side is very smart. I liked how he answered the “what a man can do a woman can do better” . As a woman I agree with his answer, the saying should be about the fact that a woman can obviously do what a man can do because she is equally a humanbeing however when it comes to doing it better, she has the potential to do it better . Not any woman will be able to step up in a difficult role , and not any man would be able to step up in a difficult role. It all comes down to how good the person is regardless of their gender. It’s the potential of doing better than men as a fellow human counterpart is what should be the focus.
Not true😂😂😂. We are biologically and instinctively different. We are not equal. The west is brainwashing you.
Very true
Lool, Feminism is not a Western idea. The principles have always been present in our culture/society. Western people gave it a name, and that's it.
I am in physical pain watching this video 😭
Me too. I can't stand the stupidity. I keep on taking breaks and I am almost crying 😭
@@oghorodioghenerukevwe7179 frrr
For me feminism is just about giving women choice. We are all human beings and equal and if someone tells you that u can't do something cause you're a woman even if that's the case, I think you should let her the choice to actually decide that.
All adult humans should have the choice to live their dreams.
Women always had choices , we even have female gods, who are powerful. This feminism is european
@@abcminimenope they didn’t look at history or middle eastern societies 200 years ago
Educate yourself.
@Bluehead485 what are you talking about. I defn study more history then you. Feminism is a western concept, there no name for Feminism in any African language, or Arabic or punjab cause it never existed. Feminism is introduced by the west just like Christianity was introduced by the west.
Athena, Cleopatra, Aphrodite, Artemis, Minerva etc
educate yourself first@@afeezsthirstymind
Man said that while a woman is in the kitchen cooking he is out there providing security 😂😂😂
and his life is very much in danger while watching football apparantely
I had to come to the comment section to make sure it wasn't my ears paining me 😂😂
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Hey Cruise. Cool videos, please keep it up. However, I would like to suggest if you can thoroughly screen guests that come on your show. Some people don’t seem to understand the prompts and tend to become too sentimental without trying to listen or understand the other side. I feel like if you’re coming to a show like this, you should be able to understand that you’re coming to discuss with people with different beliefs from you, not coming with serious bias with the aim to instill your own beliefs… ‘Cause it seriously got tiring while watching the video. Other than that, I think you guys are doing a great job. The first time I saw your videos I thought it was jubilee lol. Really nice quality, just the casting that might need more attention.
Thank you for the kind words.
We totally agree with you. We've started some more critical screening and hopefully the casting for future episodes would be way better than this.
Let us not be deceived if this is how the average African thinks we need to know. Sometimes I wonder why our country is so dilapidated but seeing videos like this reminds me. I’m surrounded by smart people but now I know that most of them are like this - so it makes sense why our continent is the way it is.
Did he really say he’s inferior to the white man???
Walai talai. na so I hear am... dem dey gba. I am glad he made himself into a meme before the whole world. Internet dont forget.
What? I haven't even watched that part. Huh? That's crazy. Such a colonized mindset 🤦🏽♀️
I won't even try to argue with that kind of person that will say such.
he’s a fool for that statement, he didn’t know how to retort to what the guy next to him said so he conceded to foolishness in order to stand strong in his point
Where 😭
@@KiwonfuIt was implied
20:00 - 21:40 This kind of logic is just mind blowing...wetin you dey on the look out for every day?...lmaoooo
Such a stupid point 😭
and where did people get this idea that a society with more women in the leading positions or roles will lead to weaker men?
I had to pause again. So while the woman is cooking. The husband is security. Do these people think before talking?
So people just randomly breaking into the house while your wife cooks. Common sense isn't so common.
😂😂😂 It's so funny. Security ko exco ni.
Worst part of it, if men are expected to go out and provide, how will they “protect” the woman when he’s away? Most households I’ve seen are protected by the woman. Even in the animal kingdom it is the mother that protects her babies, the fathers are usually not around when the attacks come.
@iremiposiajayi122 When men say they are providers and protecters, I laugh. I ask, "What are you providing and protecting?" Reply, "I pay the bills, and if someone breaks into the house." Sir, you need to do better than that.
If you don't provide 100% of the bills, you are a co-provider. What about emotionally, mentally, spiritually, sexully (I mean more than dick), and the rest of them.
I have been in my house for x years and never a break in. All of a sudden, I marry you, and then someone is going to break in to prove you can protect your family. These dudes need to stfu.
It is funny and sad at the same time.
The women’s lives are in more danger cooking. The fire, the hot oil are more dangerous
😅😅What if a burglar breaks in via the kitchen?!😁
Bringing religion to prove your point also shows a lot of ignorance
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That woman is severely brainwashed and all she could do was quote the bible😂
Actually if they go biblical, these men that are against women being their equal would be upset about what the Bible says.The Bible values women highly. The worst thing humans tried or did with the Bible was twist it to suit their own agendas. What a shame.
i don't like how on the anti feminist side, it was the men who talked more than the women.
Stop, they had valid points. I loved that they got to speak it shows that feminism is not just something that woman see as important but something that some men also see as important.
Toxic mascs and pick me women
@@koladeojo7060YESSS
I was just saying "pickmeisha" when that Chiamaka girl was talking 😂
Well I mean it’s par for the course right
Im surprised that anti feminist women exists and I’m Christian
“Madam I am very sorry about your experience, you are strong” well said brother👏🏽👍🏼
20:48 is the greatest gaslighting ever 😂😂 Men naturally don’t like house chores, cooking, washing plates, sweeping etc. But saying as the woman is cooking you’re putting your life on the line by watching football is the highest from the of gaslighting from an educated person.
We all cannot be perfect, admit your incompetencies and find a partner that can match with you.
I don't think women naturally like house chores either. It's a matter of socialisation and expectations
@@marthangafor6414I hate cooking so when I was dating, as soon as the man asked if I could cook, I said no thank you, and left. 😂
@@marthangafor6414 You have a point but according to society, we’ve been sold that women often take more responsibility for house chores.
I understand where you're coming from, but I do my agree that men don't "naturally" like chores. It's not a natural thing, we're just socialized into it. We've been so indoctrinated into believing chores are for women, that's why we feel that way. Clearly, there are also women who don't like chores, doesn't mean it's "natural", it's just how people are from different backgrounds.
Ya it’s a weird analogy but I get what he saying he basically saying men are also in the watch to protect their family in case danger comes lol so, his role his very important although ur not often used 😅
Why are we platforming misogynists???
They platform religious bigots so I'm not surprised at all.
Sometimes you need them to air themselves out on the internet. Remember Internet never forgets.
It’s important to not only show "ideal" people in media, in the real world we will always encounter people with different opinions than our own, it’s giving everybody fair chance to see where the opposite sites are coming from. Ironically enough, alienating people will only further create division amongst all of us as a society.
As much as you think we are, we are not.
We reached out to as many feminists as we could and made do with the ones we had available to us.
Yes we are. Why do you think they shouldn't have a platform. This is a debate. Are you afraid of ideas.
20:16 my guy said men are on the lookout while women are cooking. What kind of lie is this 😂
Person wey go run first if thief burst him house 😭
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I hate how the topic is gender equality and they keep bringing Jesus into the conversation 🙄
It's what they believe in, they are Christians and the bible guide their lives. How could they leave Jesus out
Lol, that's what religion does to people's minds.
He's the Creator of ALL things😊
Sleep😂😂😂@@KingofgraceSARA
They always have to bring the religions their colonizers gave them.
Im sorry, i died when they used barbie as a reference point 😂😂😂😂 was it woke, yes but was it a movie that talks about dominating men, nope please 😂😂
Critical thinking is far from a lot of people sha. Meanwhile, Ade, you are whoever you think you are. Your critical thinking skills are superb!!!
Sending love to the feminist side especially Ade and Ms Olubunmi. Just wish we had more dominant personalities with solid counter-arguments.
This Chiamaka is an airhead pick-me biko. Tufiakwa!! Where in her bible did she see the head-neck analogy??
The guyS in green🙄🤦🤦🤦
I hate people who think that men and women aren’t equal due to their physical attributes and capabilities. Like obviously we have physical differences but when we are talking about equality we are referring to being treated as equals in society like men and women being offered the same opportunities, pay, equity etc.
For sensitive topics like these, please bring professionals, not average Nigerian
The worst things that the feminist can do is compare Western feminism to African Feminism. It’s very different.
The ignorance in this debate is alarminggggg
Very
I disagree, women are not necessarily easily convinced. The reason I think that some people decided to ask this question is because some people noticed that it's amongst Africans that our women are bald heads. But it's starting to change, thankfully!
0:58 African women have always had a voice and have always fought for themselves. So saying feminism is a western movement is crazy. Is 1929 a joke. Before you criticize Feminism define what your ideology about it is
Please pick well knowledgeable people for these videos, cause the misinformation is soo annoying. I couldn’t even finish the whole video
A round of applause👏... I especially love the speaker in black. I love your mindset, valid points.
20:19 he's on the lookout like security. Uncle if you don't have anything to say please don't talk 😭
Feminism is not solely about women’s empowerment, feminist activism goes both ways for males and females… the main goal is equality for all. We respect our men and the role they play however feminism seeks to draw more light on the recognition of women capabilities, equal treatment regardless of the gender.
I totally agree with Ade on how the goal of feminism is being practiced wrongly nevertheless the goal of feminism is equal right for all.
And what is this thing Maxwell is saying about women in the kitchen where it’s safe whiles men are on the lookout🤦♀️ please…
11:13 the issue with this area is that people mix the hierarchy within marriage and in society. I'm equal to any man, including my future husband. However, I'm going to choose to be under his leadership in obedience to God, so it's not about the man, it's about God. Also, don't submit to a man who hasn't submitted to God. I mean we choose to be under the authority of the men we elect into government, our pastors and religious leaders, you can always decide to do otherwise but we choose to stay under their leadership. And if they disappoint us, we always revolt against them
I will never understand how a woman can willingly subject herself to her male partner, as if she has no autonomy of her own .... and all of this is determined by something as arbitrary as his anatomy. I get that that's what written in that book, but the logic just isn't there for me.
@@msaniitz5588 subjecting is more forceful. That's why I used the example of government. Even in other spaces, we vote for one person to lead, now these people aren't Autocratic either. As a wife you still have your agency, for me it's more of a figure head thing. The same verse that says a woman should submit also says that like Christ died for the church the man should do so and also be ready to forgive her no matter what: before Christ, men could divorce their wives as they liked but the woman didn't have a reason to leave. Also, the man has to submit to his wife too and God. That means you have to choose a person who fears God
@@tamiausten873 By stating that "subjecting is more forceful," you're recognizing how extreme this hierarchical structure can be. "Subjecting," "person to lead," "figure head," "submit to" ... it's all the same topic of a power imbalance. An image of force or control would never be evoked within a relationship of partnership and cooperation, which amazes me how it's not even a preferred option. Your book of reference was written thousands of years ago, BY MEN, FOR MEN, during a very misogynistic time. It ignored the real source of nature, where one can also see the true value of women. It flipped the script (women came from men? Really?!!) & doubled down on men's insecurities & egos, telling them they had to constantly feel superior to feel good. Men need to control themselves, NOT women. The book tells you not to challenge its logic, so I get that's where you're coming from. I just find it sad to witness my fellow sisters still succumbing to such a world.
@@msaniitz5588conditioning will do that to ya. It breaks my heart that they see themselves so low that they believe they need a man to lead them. Intelligence, wisdom, being logical isn't inherent to men. But because of socialization and conditioning u see statements like hers.
If it wasn’t for a BLACK WOMEN we would still be using maps, if it wasn’t for a BLACK WOMEN we would have taken a lot longer to go into space, if it wasn’t for a BLACK WOMEN. Just to name some people who changed the world. I am disappointed that these people were selected for this conversation. It was not informative at all and very backwards in thought. There are some amazing black people who could have sat in them seats. Women who did ted talks on black culture, race, women’s rights etc. FIND THEM WOMEN! This was a waste of filming. Please do better when selecting in this category of panellists
1:57 Without representation from all African countries, this debate should have just spoken about feminism in Nigeria. My culture values women and their opinions. No white man taught us that
Nigerians value women too and women stand up for themselves, I honestly don't know what these people were saying
Calls the man that wants his woman to worship him bad and goes ahead to say if his woman worships him he will love it🤦♂️
Elisha is very short sighted and ignorant. Refering to barbie as an example of encouraging female dominace even though the movie literally ended in the breakfown of that society is insane. Then he said "when we break down thw patriarchy we have the matriarchy" why is there no in-between ?
It’s embarrassing when you don’t know about your culture and your history and that’s what colonialism and slavery caused back back.
I come from Burkina Faso and the mother of my ethnicity is Yennenga. She was the only daughter of the King at that time, but that lady was fighting on the battlefield. She led his army.
Behanzin, the emperor of the nowadays Benin - the country- had a personal guards army made of only women.
In Ghana, if I am not mistaken, the royalty was given by the Queens. It was a matriarchy. I can’t say that it was a general practice among all tribes, but it happened.
Feminism is not and will never be a war against men. That is what many people failed to understand. It’s to permit women to benefit from the same right as men in the society, such as having a job, being able to buy land, owning a home, having a bank account, being able to have your car, to drive, being able to handle and have a say in your medical procedures, being paid equally at equal qualifications and so on and so forth.
If you are afraid of feminism you are insecure.
Lol it’s actually funny to think about because when you realize that the head can not move without the neck, you’ll realize that saying that the man is the head and woman is the neck really means that they have to work together.
And heaven forbid they should just advocate for team-work, collaboration, and partnership, instead of catering to these type of men who have to punch down in order to feel good about themselves.
@@msaniitz5588it all boils down to the male fragile ego :/
Historically, men have often been more prominently recognized for their inventions due to various social, cultural, and systemic factors that have restricted women's opportunities for recognition and participation in certain fields. However, there have been countless inventions and innovations by women that have significantly impacted various industries and fields.
Some notable female inventors include Ada Lovelace (considered the world's first computer programmer), Marie Curie (pioneering research on radioactivity), Rosalind Franklin (critical contributions to the discovery of the structure of DNA), Stephanie Kwolek (invented Kevlar), Hedy Lamarr (co-inventor of frequency hopping spread spectrum technology, which laid the groundwork for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth), and many others.
There shouldnt be a timer that short. The guy in the beginning couldn't even get to his point that i wanted to hear because of the timer. Change that
There seems to be a large confusion of the terms power and strength, freedom and actual capabilities...
That oga talking about Barbie did you actually watch it at all. One of the main themes was when the kens came together to realize that were equally as important ans the Barbies so what exactly was your point.
Eyyyy ADEEEE👏🏾👏🏾. So fine with so much sense. Wow
the amount of made up things in this video is crazy… im 2 minutes in and he’s saying feminism came around in 1870, but the first women’s classic novels advocating for their rights were in the early 1700s??
almost everything the anti-fems said was complete wass💀 lmao
All I hear is.. We liked the way it was. We want it to stay that way.Men are leading and women stay quiet and do what your told and I hate that for y'all
Same
Oooh I didn’t know watching football was a matter of life and death. You learn new things everyday.
So isnt Christianity brought to Nigeria via the White European Missionaries a Western Concept but you Nigerians still follow it dont you?
Christianity is not a western concept buddy😂
@jasonc2407 Christianity IS a western concept and the spread of Christianity is largely tied to colonialism by European powers.
Africans weren’t taught Christianity by the white man lol, it existed in africa way before they came and conquered and white washed everything. Do you actual research
@@benapeh854
The westerners were the 1st to weaponized Christianity.
Men and women are equal human beings in society. In marriage, especially as a Christian, it’s different, the husband leads the relationship, he is the head of the home. The wife follows the leadership of her HUSBAND!
In society, no one should tell me that I can’t run for president because I’m a woman or something ridiculous like that.
Hi Cruise. It will be great to have people bring on intellectually stimulating conversations on here. Some of these people were putting out baseless facts and it was just sad to see. Well done though
This has to be one of the most unintelligent discussions I've ever listned to
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The kitchen and Football Analogy is the most stupid thing I've heard all year
I really wish there was a moderator for each prompt because none of the prompts were answered
I think the show needs to fact check some of the responses as people aren’t necessarily being factual. People must back up their claims with legit references.
Since time memorial, men as a collective, have never respected women or given women a chance. In my opinion, it comes down to the absolute basics, respect.
Just look at the faces of the misogynists and know how you will run if they ever approach you.
19:48 - 22:36 'the society is deigned to favour men; Maxwell Gozie proceeds misuse the gift of speech coupled with what I would classify as mediocre understanding of English language. Thank you to Ade for grounding him back to the prompt
I really wish i could be part of the creative and content strategy department of cruise. There are a lot of prompts that could've been asked but were for some reason left out. Is there a way I can apply?
Feminism is not about being able to carry the same weight or endure more physical stress; this is not physiologically possible, as we are not built physiologically the same. Instead, it is about equal opportunities and rights, as well as no judgment or credit to our gender for our mistakes and successes.