How Tight was the Drain Plug?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2017
- Just a quick follow-up to answer a few questions from the Instant Oil Change FAIL video:
-how tight was the drain plug?
-was an impact wrench used to tighten the plug?
-were the welds on the inner nut too weak?
Since we like to be quantitative on the PHAD channel, let's actually get a number: how hard was the Chrysler drain plug tightened before the inner nut stripped off of the oil pan body?
Enjoy!
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What the hell happened to that toenail?
R. E. Hill LOL yeah the carnage was that toenail lol. And people with funky feet and nasty toenails always wanna be the ones who always wear sandals lol
It got ripped clean off in a collegiate road cycling crash about 8 years ago. Never grew back quite right. And I was even wearing shoes during the crash!
Toe nailed
+R.E. Don't tell Ivan but I'm getting him a pedicure gift card for Xmas this year ;)
his feet are fine apart from that injury and who cares. maybe you all should work at a salon if bothers you so much.
the guy who tightened the drain plug used to work at the pickle factory tightening the metal lids.
You'd think your trying to pull Excalibur out of the enchanted stone.
😂
Another good video! I don't change my own oil to save money, I do it to keep those people away from my car.
B crinshaw Yes.
Exactly. That's why I became an auto technician haha
I agree pops plus if a man's working on your car in flip flops run away I work at the #1 dealer in Southeastern Toyota yup Dave Edwards and if we wore flip-flops to work we would be sent home
Oil Pan Plugs and Lug Nuts, Smfh.
Yep, first time I did my oil was the morning after Jiffy Lube didn't properly install my oil filter. Most (but not all) the oil was leaked out near the filter because part of the old filter's gasket had ripped off the old filter and was stuck to the block.
Ivan your foot in that oil pan gives new meaning to the term "foot pounds"!!!
Now thats comedy.
😂😂😂😂
I saw this comment and I just had to like it😂
With you, the slipping flipflop and the oil pan balanced on the 2x6, it’s like watching a train wreck.
I'll do anything to get more views haha
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics Ivan: Take a look at the DeadOnDiagnostics Channel here on TH-cam. You are the only person I know of who has the education and training to fully appreciate what that mechanic/technician is actually talking about and doing. Enjoy!
keep tightening till car flips on its side then back off 1/8 turn
LOL
Haven't had anyone change my oil in years. I have had striped oil drain plugs. I have had were they didn't change the oil, just the filter. I have had them try and sell me a needless transition flush. Some of my friends have had even worse things happen. Can't trust anyone, now I do everything my self. Great video, thank you
You should get some steel toed sandals.
In order to save time they used the same impact gun and torque stick to tighten the drain plug as they did for the tire rotation.
They used the German torque spec on that bolt: "Good'n Tight".
That's German for virgin, right? lol
That's the problem; some will over-tighten because they got into trouble once for not tightening it properly (or at all) because they were rushed and forgot.
This is beyond long handle ratchet tight. This is run it down with an impact till it squeaks, then give it another quarter turn.
Tighten drain plug until crush washer disappears lol
Or until the crush washer friction welds itself to be part of the oil pan lol
Hey, they don't call them crush washers for nothing.
THANK YOU for the really cool follow up and recap. That makes a very nice video worth watching!!
The guys at Speedy Lube must watch Scotty Kilmer's repair videos. How to fix an oil drain plug bolt...... weld it! haha
And then you tighten it down! Ugh!
Scotty!!!!!!
I'm waiting for Scotty Kilmer's repair video. How to fix a bad toenail with .... Weld It!
Fake Scotty Kilmer profile....
Scotty doesn't fix cars! He does vids. and his vids. are snake-oil salesman type solutions! He yells!
Thank you Sir for the follow up!
The oil pan on all 3 of my daily driven vehicles are aluminum... I usually break out the actual torque wrench and torque it to the factory specified 13 lb-ft. That sounds ridiculously low, and in fact you can easily turn it further, but I've found 2 major things are at play here: 1) the oil is deceptive, the added lubricity makes the 13 lb-ft more like 25 or even 30 dry. 2) after a couple of heat cycles it seems to tighten up even more, so by the time 5,000 miles have rolled around it's on there good and tight. You can still bust your knuckles breaking the drain plug loose if you're not paying attention.
I'm about to try and drain my sisters car ugh it's really stuck in there
Wow that was insane. I'm speechless.
Never heard of the term Foot Pounds before, but your foot and jandal in the sump pan makes perfect sense. Good video, they were supposed to fit a Copper washer.
That was crazy tight!
O. M. G. There's no rhyme nor reason why that should be that tight! Pure ignorance.
I love your videos, Ivan!!!!
Greetings from Mississippi
Doesn't shock me seeing as how Jiffy Lube stripped my oil plug and then refused to take responsibility for it. Them and Pep Boys especially are on my shit list.
Yes,thanks for sharing this video.The last 2× my oil has been changed I went to jiffy lubes once,and the plug was very tight.Then I went out of town,and I had someone else change the oil,and I told him make sure that drain plug is not to tight.
Smh,just 2day I tried to loosen the drainplug,and some idiot used LOCKTITE on it.Anything to keep you coming back.I usually change it myself.But customers BEWARE!!!!
those guys routinely use an impact on drain plugs ...Over the years Ive probably replaced 70 oil pans from them ...if they arent stripped and falling out the other end of the spectrum is the bolt is so tight welded nut snaps off trying to remove them..
Great Video, just Freekn - RIDICULOUS!!, Also, try to use, or should I say always use the 'Box End Side' of the wrench which is good for holding the NUT, So it won't strip on you... 👌
It wouldn't fit around the nut...too close to the bottom of the pan!
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics, + Ohhhhhh, i see, okay, my bad, can I take it back???, LOL 😁
they gave it the beansssssss
Gat big nasty to vibrate it loose!
A shop I used to work for did a deal with a local Discount Tire. We would replace the wheel studs they break for free (except those that require removal of the hub or more parts expense than just the stud and nut) if they refer all alignments to us. I think we ended up replacing at least one wheel stud a day from them. During winter it would sometimes be several a day. I understand that they're dealing with a lot of wheel studs and lug nuts on a daily basis, but still! Don't even get me started on quick lube places. Last year, I replaced 3 engines and did one timing chain job for a quick lube place (just one location) for their customer's cars that had no oil in them shortly after they did an oil change.
The FCA drain plugs are so simple to deal with. I've found a couple of plugs finger tight that didn't leak and didn't back off. You just need a gentle tug on the wrench after it bottoms out, as the soft gasket on the plug needs very little torque to create an oil tight seal.
LMAO at all the foot jokes... a little ribbin never hurt anyone Ivan.
That customer should have gone after them for the cost of the repair and parts. An Ivan, that toe. You were a solid 10 now it's like 8.5
Break away torque is always more then tightening torque for several reasons...
#1 It takes less torque to keep a bolt in motion then it does one that is stationary.
#2 Heat cycles warp the metal overtime and cause binding.
The other fault:
Re-using crush gaskets can damage threads as gaskets can only be deformed so many times before they no longer "Crush".
Replace your damn bolts and crush gaskets on parts of the car that go through that stress... NEVER REUSE OLD GASKETS and replace the bolt when needed.
My last trip to a quick change shop was to Jiffy Lube, which provided their "Signature Service" to my car. It was a Mazda MX-6 with a manual transaxle. They changed the oil and filter and as I was about to pay they ran down their list of items they supposedly checked and offered suggested services based on car mileage and age. Sounds good so far, right? They rattled off about ten things that were fine then said they checked the transaxle fluid level and it was good. I suspected they hadn't checked this, so I asked them how they did that. Oh, there is a dipstick in the engine compartment. No, there is not... Oh, Mr. Raasch, we know your car, there is a dipstick in the engine compartment. No, there is not... Ah, there is a plug in the side of the transaxle, we take that out to check the oil level. No, there is not. At this point we went out to the car which was still in the bay and the tech was under the car. The sales clerk asked the tech if he checked the transaxle oil level. Yes. How? Dipstick in engine compartment. No... Plug in side of transaxle. No. As I stumped both of these liars, they asked, so how DO you check it? You remove the speedometer cable and check for the level on the plastic gear. It is simple to do, but I highly suspected did it. What good is a signature when the people filling out the form are liars? Last time ever to Jiffy Lube.
Very cool Ivan. Any excuse to use a torque wrench is a good one. lol Thanks!
Tighten until the threads pull then back a bit, took a mo to convert to NM (95NM) or: “bloody hell that’s tight for a drain plug.” Especially in a steel pan! Hi from the UK!
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Had a sump plug that tight once, and it also loosened the pressed in nut, but when I put a new plug in, it came back, because of a leak. The steel around the sump plug was cracked to about 3 inches out like a spider web, pretty sure it had been done up with an impact gun originallying, maybe more than once, but I ended up wearing the cost of a second hand sump plus labor etc
I see you really get into your work. I bought car that had been to K-Mart for an oil change and the drain plug fell out as the owner drove it home. The engine was toast. I bought a wrecked car with the same engine and made a good profit when I sold the car. The mechanic that made that expensive mistake (K-Mart did pay) probably has been overcompensating ever since and working at Valvoline.
I really wanted to see if the nut and plug would thread back together easily again - did you try it - was it crossthreaded ?
I have found that they will lose, or fail to put the sealing washer back on the drain plug. so when put it back in, it may only be tighten to 20 or 30 ft. lbs., but now you have the steel flange on the plug tightened against the steel pan creating a lot of friction, so it may take 80 or 90 lb, of torque to remove.
you mean, steal plug onto an aluminum pans, bro.
I realize this is an older post, but it reminded me of a car I had years ago. I had picked up a 86 Mustang and the last oil change before I got it was done at at Valvoline quick lube. I had to destroy the drain plug with a hammer and chisel to get it out, and I had to do the screwdriver threw the filter method to get the filter off because of how tight it was. Pretty sure they used an impact on both.
Nice safety shoes ivan🤣
Jews are the smartest people in the world, not when it comes to mechanical stuff/common sense life though, you heard!
Take an excessively greedy huge corporation, add under trained and under paid employees who hate their employer, and you end up with lots of cars being harmed when customers just want a simple proper oil change. The Internet is full of well documented examples of quick lube places harming vehicles, not performing the services they charge for, up selling and performing unneeded and sometime harmful services (like "motor flushes"), and generally proving they can't be trusted to service a lawnmower let alone a valuable car. Thanks for providing another example.
Great video, but breakaway torque is different than original torque. Almost always I believe because you have to break the static friction between plug and nut
Ivan if there's not wires connected to it, you shouldn't be messing with it! Lol! Your the best! Thanks for the great videos, now put some boots on so your other toe doesn't get crushed!
Was there any "soft metal" or fiber washer on the plug.?
I think the real test is how much torque did it take to break the welds of the inner jam nut...
This is extremely common, even at car dealers. Idiots over torquing not only the drain plug but wheel nuts and pretty much every thing else. I bet if one is relatively strong, it would not leak if you just finger tightened it.
I've left one finger tight by accident once and it came back dry, but Ford's also have rubber o rings on their plugs. But I dont work at a quick lube place and I definitely don't over torque the drain plugs. It's very annoying having to replace them after we get one from a quick lube place. I work at a Ford Dealership, and always have to deal with the tire shops and other places over torquing the lugnuts and destroying the caps also as well as the threads on the drain plugs. I had a car come in with the drain plug so tight i had to use a long breaker bar to break torque, Most of the time it's from Valvoline or Jiffy Lube.
My wife went to one of those quick oil change places and when she got back there was a large puddle of oil under the car.Upon inspection i found the oil filter had the gasket from the old filter on top of the new filter gasket. I called the place and talked to the manager he wanted us to drive back down so they could fix it.I fixed it myself and had them reimburse the cost of the oil.I should have just changed the oil myself.NEVER Again will i take my vehicles to a quick lube place.
Who is liable for this , these jiffy loob places do this on purpose !
Gotta get me some of those safety sandals🤣
I know a guy who got a temporary job at one of those "Quick Lube" places. They had a huge turnaround. Most employees had very little clue about what they were doing but the job did not pay much either. One day a lady customer came back screaming that her new car was missing a radio. One of the new employees simply stole the radio while he was changing oil in her car. We can only guess what he was thinking, IF he was thinking at all! The thief acted very surprised that the lady noticed the radio missing! LOL. Obviously he got fired. LOL.
This is why I would never let anyone change oil in any of my vehicles. Same with any repairs, unless it's a major warranty repair.
What the heck? Who steals a radio?!?
he thought she would not notice?? lol
I don't know what's worse, Ivan's music or his toe nail.
My wife calls it "Franken-nail" xD
Today I ran my Porter Cable torque driver to the limit to remove the drain plug. The drill, on its highest setting, was not enough to loosen the bolt. I'm going to try my impact drill today.
same thing happened too me
... and that right there is why you do your own oil and filter.
They didn’t want to take the chance of it coming loose and losing all the oil!😆
You can tell the service poor already ... they didnt weld the plug.
they must have a part time body builder working at that quicki lube place 😂😂😂
My guess is, three ugg duggs was used to tighten the bolt.
At 21 yo I stoped trusting majority of mechanics and auto repair shops.
I'm 68 yo now.
Yrs I have been to good shops with good honest mechanics, few and far in between.
The last shop ended up Replaceing 2 of their automatic transmissions, ( under warrenteed). They did both for free. They were honest. Fired 2 installers and a rebuilder.
But after last one I had starter issues, turned out 2 bolts from flax plate to torque converter came loose and fell out.
The whole issue left my truck out of commission for months.
Part of problem was China flu shut down and supply chain shortages.
Even dealerships have "certified tech" issues.
Till the day I strip driveing I will change my own oil, tune ups, replace small component parts.
Jesus Christmas! I hate those instant lube places. I checked my 1999 Ford E-150 in for an oil change. I was having some health problems and really wasn't feeling up to getting into the van. The sky behind the counter was telling me they're all certified mechanics! Bravo! Then he opens the door and yells out into the bay to the guy working on my van is that E150 front wheel drive or rear wheel drive. Seriously you're a Certified mechanic and you don't know the answer to that one?!? I specifically told the butt munch that I only wanted the oil change I did not want them touching anything else on the van. The next day my power steering was low, the AC was suddenly a pound or so low on R134, and suddenly my differential was low on oil I could hear it. Coincidence? I think not. If I go to burn the place down I would have. Yeah this really happened. Corner of Gandy Boulevard and Manhattan Avenue in Tampa Florida. Don't use a place to change the oil on your lawn mower.
I think we all can agree the worse thing is not the drain plug but those sandals
I was just talking to someone who took a Saturn vue 3.6 to a valviline quick lube in pa , a couple days later she noticed it was leaking oil, she took it back to valvaline , and they told her it needed valve cover gasket. she took it to a friend ( who is a mechanic in nj. ) turns out the oil filter cap was leaking cuz they didn't tighten it all the way nor replaced the o-ring on the cap. the valve cover gasket were OK. what do you think of that?
Not surprised at all lol
Took me an 8' extension and a bolt remover to get my plug off my BRZ when the dealer did an oil change. By some miracle they didn't fuck it.
I swear there's gotta be some dude out there with just one HUGE ARM who's doing this.
This wasn't tightened with a ratchet. It's fairly easy to tell if you're tight enough with a 3/8" drive foot long ratchet handle. This was a, run it back in with an impact till it squeaks example.
Mechanic in sandals- nice touch
David Hollfelder there is a youtube video of therimite welding railroad rails in india and the workers all have open toe sandals
It's too early for me to find the humor in it, but sure I will sooner or later. It's crazy that I been walking around like I'm the shit because I changed 3 engine / trans mounts and an axle, but because of a drain plug kicking my ass, cant change my oil😂
Tire places over tighten also. I helped change a flat on the side of the road that was over 400 ft/lbs torque
Phil Hall not true that torque would've break the lug bolt
Crazy!
Had an intresting pub debate over this and conclusion is undo torque is considerably less than torque used to tighten the same
This is why people get mad when I tighten stuff 😂
My Guess? 3-4 quick toots with an impact at line air pressure of 120-140psi.
As some say in rural Maine: "good 'nuff" LOL
After all that he like oh crap I was turning it the wrong way. Lmao
Can't believe the threads held up to that!
That pan looks super thin - no wonder the nut didn't hold! Still, gorillas at the quick lube joint! What a joke!
Employee: hey boss how tight do I tighten the drain plug on this vehicle.
Boss: um 5 uga doogas is how tight you should tighten it. Next service we will charge the customer for a new oil sump.
Oh, how about "down till it smokes, then a quarter of a turn."
It is the drain plug design, the rubber seal sticks to the oil pan pretty good when cold.
lol...ass
I read some where that aluminum pans are suppose to be 20 to 25 ft/lb of torque. Steel pans require to 25 to 30 ft pounds. I just like to go a little over snug. Or a little over spec. I only trust needle torque wrenches. But they only come in real big sizes. And it's not a good idea to use something big to tighten a oil drain plug. You wont have much space. You will hit something if the car isn't really high off the ground. Another rule of thumb is just don't use excessive force. Remember, snug, snug. And you can turn it a little more after a snug. And just keep an eye on it from time to time to see if it's leaking. I actually worried that I over tighten it once, but I didn't.
I've never understood over tightening a drain plug. I've never stripped one out.
I can never trust a man working on a car wearing sandals
Lol!
Wow just wow
I'm surprised the oilpan nut wasn't sheared off its brazed joint with the pan. If that has been a Honda with a soft crush washer, that much torque would have split and forced the washer out from under the bolthead, stripped the thread and let the bolt spin free..
They probably use filter wrench to reinstall filter also, without lubricating seal.
Did the place cover the new oil pan
I always use my torque wrench on sump plugs and motorcycle oil filters it dose not take much longer to do the job properly, I have mentioned this before on TH-cam and coped it from trolls but if I do a job I go the extra mile, if you down load a oil lubrication chart with torque specs you will soon find out different manufacturers will have different specs so why not take advantage of this easy to find knowledge and do it rite have pride in your work, that way people will take pride of you simple.
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I am always careful of oil pans. Some aluminum ones only require like 10ft/lb of torque. Some 22 or a little more. On aluminum you have to be more careful than steel. Never use an impact gun!!. I had an instance where I used a small 3/8" ratchet one time to change my oil, and next time taking the plug out it was pretty much finger tight to loosen it. I used a larger fiber gasket 14mm on 12mm plug. On steel I just use a small 1/2" wrench and aluminum washer, tighten it till its a little past snug since the washer deforms. I find sometimes these click drive torque wrench dont click at lower settings, and dont want to risk damaging my threads.
Yeah, that's under torquing it a little with 10, no wonder why it was loose when you took it off. I kind of thought I over tighten my drain plug too much. But when I checked on it. And I broke it free, I realized that I tighten it a lot less than the oil shop. For the heck of it, it was a pain, but I used one of those needle torque wrenches. *Not really a good idea because it's big and there isn't much space. But I torqued the plug near 30ft to 40 ft. Near 40 ft pounds. I will be testing it out to see if it does loosen. The reality is, just get it snug. Then once it's snug, you can get it a tad little more. And yes those click type torque wrenches didn't click once for me as well at a low setting. I thought something was wrong, and I kept going and snap. I really should of practiced it on another bolt before I used it.
I read some where that aluminum pans are suppose to be 20 to 25 ft/lb of torque. Steel pans require to 25 to 30 ft pounds. I guess you aren't far off. I just like to go a little over snug. Or a little over spec.
How foots does it take to loosen that bolt.
Your customer was a fool to eat the cost. It makes us all look bad!!!
Ivan, How doI post a picture on you website? I bought this part on eBay (unbeknownst to me, it turned out to be from Russia) .. nicknamed the "Russia Puck" .. a strut spacer used to level the front of my 17 yr old van.
You couldn't find the welds? Maybe the nut was just glued into place, evidently the glue didn't stand up. Of course it's hard to estimate what force was applied but less than 70 ft lbs sounds like a good guess. Sure, that was too much, but I think you have found evidence the pan was defective or at least inadequately manufactured. It makes one wonder how often that happens, and whether the company quietly replaces pans when this happens at the dealer. The drain nut on my Subaru tends to leak, and it's a little frustrating knowing that new pans are made so poorly compared to the heavy designs of the past. Old style drain plugs could tolerate 70 foot pounds every day, even though nobody was applying that much force. Good engineering should design the easily replaced part (the bolt) to fail first, so you would have more of a chance to replace it without having to take the pan off.
I purchased a car off an auction and the drain plug was warped, the head of the bolt was warped by an impact wrench. I put 100 or more pounds on it and it wouldn't come out, then my wrench started slipping a lot so i had to use an impact wrench to undo it.
I usually do mine myself but recently I went to a quick lube, a few days later I kept smelling oil, checked the oil and they had over filled it by 1.5 quarts, won't happen again!
You're telling me two shops couldn't figure out how to put 70 lb-ft on a drain plug to remove it? Did it spin before that? If so, that answers my question.
Late to the party, but the nut on the inside was spinning so no amount of torque would help. Needed to hold one side while removing the other.
Every time any of my cars have been to the shop for an oil change, they either leaked, or they were really low on oil when I got the car back. Never again!
I will never go back to any Valvoline oil change place at any locations. They strip oil plug on my 2016 Huyandi Santa Fe Sport and on my 2009 Chevy Silverado they over tighten oil plug and oil filter. Oil filter had use extreme measure get it off and lucky oil plug on Silverado wasn't strip had use a breaker bar. Going back do my own oil changes.
Maybe get a oil drain plug insert kit. There are different sizes. It'll save customers from drain pans.
So, did the Oil Change shop pay for the replacement oil pan, since they buggered that one?
I submit that we differentiate the difference between the statement," it was valvoleens fault" and "it was this particular lube tech at valvoleen". She haddent had a problem until this last time, right?
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That oil change guy must have a cousin who works in Michigan! I just changed the oil in my daughters Toyota last week and when I couldn't loosen the plug with a standard box wrench I grabbed what was handy for more Oomff, my torque wrench. It turns out that this plug was tightened to 60 ft lbs. So tight that the plastic washer used on Toyotas was crushed and actually "extuded" around the outside of the drain plug flange! This was done at a Toyota STEALERSHIP! I hate doing oil changes but who needs the hassle of arguing or a law suit to recover the damages? I would never want to go 10K miles without changing the oil especially on a vehicle that has VVT.
Wow...must have been torqued to "factory spec" then lol
Just want to set the record straight. On Toyota drainplugs. Once you pull the 14mm bolt out, the washer 99% of the time stays on the pan so people don’t loose them. And it’s not a form of over torque. It even happens when you torque it to the correct specs (usually 25-27ftlbs). Don’t try to talk crap unless you know what your talking about.
You'll have to fill us in if the customer got reimbursed for the repair
BMW worked on my M5 they left bolts undone and I had a rubber plug going to my fuse box totally missing they had to order a new one from Germany but it came with cut out hole so I had to fill it with silicone. They also damaged my windshield and hood after car wash malfunction they did paint and replace my parts.
I would have paid $2 to see this one!
;)
I am Having the same isue.. now I either take the whole thing off and struggle,buy new pan(may need 2 anyway) or go to a shop just to have bolt taken off and then tighten it by hand myself jesus