Well, it is impressive that your shop is so clean. Using any one of those tools would be a dust factory. You must have been super disciplined on cleaning as you went. You really made the most out of your shop. Looks great!
I saw a cool idea to add magnet(s) to floor sweep entrance to grab any screws or metal that might get drawn in. If sparked from hitting impeller or something else it can smoulder and/or ignite in fine dust or chips
You could reduce the amount of dust in your collection bag even more by adding a straight run of about 5 feet of pipe between the intake of the Oneida cyclone and your blast gates. This creates a better straight line of dust flow into your cyclone. Works very well in my HF hybrid system.
PVC pipe and gluing, try to rotate a 1/4 turn, it will insure a better bond. But you HAVE to move quickly and accurately to your intended position. It will guarantee the seal as well. Hope that helps! Good tip on the drainage pipe as well thanks!
Late to the thread on the comments here, but found a different way to seal the connections. I have several fixed (glued together) sections, which will likely never get moved, but for areas that might be shifted, I use a couple wraps of 3M electrical tape on the male ends and do a force fit without glue. So far, I have no leaks. I have found it necessary to glue or screw together some joints on vertical runs, so they can't vibrate loose and fall out, but the majority of connections aren't permanent. Another seal method is to force fit the pieces and use a SMALL bead of basic latex/adhesive caulk (Polyseamseal or White lightning, etc) on the joints to seal. These joints can be twisted apart for modifications, because the bond of the caulk isn't that great. Love the video Jonathan, but I do think you would benefit from the use of wyes, instead of Tees at the intersections. Using a short section of pipe between 45 bends also reduces the drag to airflow, based on numbers Have seen with an anemometer.
I was thinking of using push fit fittings as no glue needed you just push together there for water so it’s watertight no air leaks and you can just pull apart to change it or if you move not sure if available in America but available in U.K.
In Australia, we must have different blue glue. You don't need to apply it to both pieces, just one side, and you have one chance to get it together, it sets almost instantly.
hilarious at 4:00 min. "Makes you feel good in all the right places". then says "And you can see here, I've got squeeze out all around my "Joint, blue/blew everywhere". Lol DIrty minds are alot of fun.
Quality of your new camera is fantastic, and great dust collection ! Just watch the cyclone, if it gets block in any way it will flood your workshop in dust!
I have a bunch of old caulking guns that don't have a cutter AND some of the ones that are supposed to have cutters don't work well enough to even try. Unless you have a new tool, it isn't worth trying, just do it the old fashioned way.
if you had to do it over, would you scrap the single stage and go with a high quality cyclone? seems alot of shops have the hard filters, but they still get plugged even when using the upper wiper handle. I have a cyclone unit that i plumbed the piping to the shop wall, exhausting the super fine to atmoshpere, as the filters are extremely expensive. I build in two large fans put in reverse into window openings that help pull any super fines from the shop air. If one was woodworking in the winter, having heat is a must, esp for solid wood projects, and this would be a negative with all your heat getting blown outside. Nice video, enjoyed watching!!!
I have your apron and I love it! I even wear it when filming my videos so you’re getting free advertising. Up to to 18 subscribers, I’m kind of a big deal!😂🤣😂
Why not run the pipes above your drop-ceiling? Not enough space? 8:50 Replace the temporary cribbing (that's what house movers call it) with a cabinet with a drawer. Put that space to good use!
Does the "squeeze out" of the glue on the inside of the pipe or the other dribbles of sloppy gluing cause problems with blockages in the pipes once you start using it?
What are your dust collector specifications? I am looking to setup the 4 inch super dust deputy as well for just using on a 6" jointer, 13" planer and table saw (one at a time) with relative short connections and was wondering if a smaller 600ish CFM would be ok.. most that I have looked at don't list a static pressure but I don't think it will be that much of an issue as I will be connecting it directly when using each machine. TY.
I am about to do the same thing, with a used 2hp vac system that has 2” ports. any thoughts on why you chose 4” vs 2 or 3” for the hard runs? More chance of it clogging in a 2”?
I just got a new Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector to replace my Rockler Dust Right, I also have set it up as a two stage unit. I tried to keep the biggest dust making dust tools closer to the collector. I have all of my power tools along one wall of my shop. I see your PVC extends along a few walls where mine is closer to the floor. Is the system strong enough to pull from the farthest tool? Just benchmarking other shops, love your videos!
Thank you , the trolls are like you blow yourself up because of static build up or youll get shocked, some of them were ridiculous with thier theories. Thanks again.
FYI Use thin wall sewer pipe don’t glue that way you can change your runs over time add or subtract without having to cut ps its much cheaper and is more than strong enough
Nice job~! I've got my pipe & fittings ready to convert my own HF dust collector into a 2-stage as well. As for your collection drum & cyclone...instead of building up a platform to bring it up to the impeller, would it be easier to let it sit on the floor and put a piece of hose or pipe between them? Just thinking about minimizing the hassle in emptying the drum. Thanks for the inspiration AND I love my 6:1 & 8:1 dovetail guides that arrived earlier this month~!
Hey K-M! Nice setup! A couple of questions for you.... I had been considering doing something like this but was wondering if changing the motor/impeller from being horizontal to vertical would be a problem for the bearings’ loading? Or does it matter? My concern being that if is designed for horizontal orientation that the life of the motor/impeller bearings would be shortened.... I’ve heard that static electricity builds up on PVC from the dust flowing through. I built my system from 4 inch steel ducting with elbows and wyes from Grizzly that are designed for dust collection, and I grounded the entire thing. Did you do anything to address possible static buildup? … And I do like the new camera!
Capt I I honestly don't think so but I would not say I'm and expert. My guess is it won't make a difference as most companies make accessories to convert to 2 stage. I did not ground my system but haven't noticed excessive static. I read about 50/50 on whether to do it or not. I'm guessing if there had been 1 reported case of dust collectors exploding it would be 100 percent for grounding. So my guess is I'll be all right.
Nicely done, this is something I've been contemplating doing for a while. I live in So Cal and have never been able to find 4 inch drain pipe, I always thought it was a California thing but obviously you found it. Can you tell me where you bought the drain pipe? Thanks
I got all the connectors at Home Depot and the 4 inch pipe at Aqua Flo in Santa Barbara. You should look for your local plumbing supply store. Big box stores don't have it. Here's the connectors www.homedepot.com/p/NDS-4-in-PVC-3-Way-Sanitary-Tee-4P09C/100112172 EDIT: I just found it for onlt $1 a foot at Lowes! www.lowes.com/pd/4-in-x-10-ft-Sewer-Drain-PVC-Pipe/3133147
Good system. I would avoid duct tape and just use slip couplings in most of the runs. If you prefer use aluminum tape. I wouldnt glue anything. I bet that sysrem works perfectly collection dust and debris.
I realize that you’re in your new shop with a new system, but while you were using this 4” cyclone with a 15 gallon drum, did the drum size seen adequate? Were you constantly emptying the barrel? Thank you. I enjoy your video.
Don't know about the rest of the viewers, but if that bag was emptied and you used the black container to suck back up the dust, to me, it seems like there was a lot more dust in that bag than should be. I mean if part of this project was to not just reduce the amount of space the units were taking up and in fact you say you see about 99% of the dust going into the oneida barrel under the Deputy, I would not be happy seeing that much dust in the bag still. Not complaining, just curious. I have seen folks using the Dust Deputy into a 55 gallon barrel or a 32 inch aluminum can and never saw that much dust get into a bag. Any thoughts on this?
Oliver Delica I bought that thing for 50 bucks a year ago and that's literally the first time I've used it. It sits on a shelf the rest of the time. I use my crosscut sled 99 percent of the time. Also that's a 12 inch which has almost as much cut capacity as a 10inch slider. Plus slider means more things to be a fraction off
Is it grounded? I,m installing ADP pipe and all the trolls are saying you need to ground the system. A PHD from MIT did research and said there's no need. Your thoughts? Thanks.
Nice ideas, very clean work, only one mistake. PVC should be joined together with a 2 part adhesive. You are supposed to apply the glue to one piece, and primer to the other. When the glue and primer meet, they make an inseparable bond.
Good on you. One thing to remember is that the smaller the diameter of pipe, the more restricted the airflow is. With a 2HP dust collector, you should be using 6". While it might not seem like a big difference, you would be surprised.
Thank you sir. Yea but at 10X the cost and I'm in a shop I'm probably going to move out of in 8 months... I'll wait until I get to my next shop to make that investment
Oh I hear ya. I went with 4" as well in my shop because it was going to be temporary piping. When you are ready to upgrade, look at the green sewer pipe. It's quite cheap comparatively. Although it does have thinner walls than traditional PVC, that really isn't going to affect the airflow. I'm pretty sure Jay Bates did that with his shop. Anyway, enjoy the convenience of permanent connections at each tool!
Close your eyes when watching this, and if I said the channel was called "Jimmy Kimmel does Woodworking" you'd believe it. Actually, Jimmy Kimmel might have to do a podcast or a TH-cam channel, from the looks of things.
Very good video,thank you for keeping it realistic.However, Try making your next video without the super annoying background music blaring away. It may be the way it was once done but it dates your video as old info.l You have a nice shop,keep up the good work. I look forward to your next vid
Very nice! I love dust collection systems and think it would be a dream job to travel around and design and install them! I turned an old Jet 3HP dual bag setup into a two stage system for my woodshop. Check it out: imgur.com/a/vn8MGmJ
Love how u configured the collector right on top of cyclone and ran a hose to dump bag 😎😎
Well, it is impressive that your shop is so clean. Using any one of those tools would be a dust factory. You must have been super disciplined on cleaning as you went. You really made the most out of your shop. Looks great!
I saw a cool idea to add magnet(s) to floor sweep entrance to grab any screws or metal that might get drawn in. If sparked from hitting impeller or something else it can smoulder and/or ignite in fine dust or chips
You could reduce the amount of dust in your collection bag even more by adding a straight run of about 5 feet of pipe between the intake of the Oneida cyclone and your blast gates. This creates a better straight line of dust flow into your cyclone. Works very well in my HF hybrid system.
Great explanation of the difference between velocity vs volume dedicated air flow. Clear and concise.
PVC pipe and gluing, try to rotate a 1/4 turn, it will insure a better bond. But you HAVE to move quickly and accurately to your intended position. It will guarantee the seal as well. Hope that helps!
Good tip on the drainage pipe as well thanks!
Late to the thread on the comments here, but found a different way to seal the connections. I have several fixed (glued together) sections, which will likely never get moved, but for areas that might be shifted, I use a couple wraps of 3M electrical tape on the male ends and do a force fit without glue. So far, I have no leaks. I have found it necessary to glue or screw together some joints on vertical runs, so they can't vibrate loose and fall out, but the majority of connections aren't permanent.
Another seal method is to force fit the pieces and use a SMALL bead of basic latex/adhesive caulk (Polyseamseal or White lightning, etc) on the joints to seal. These joints can be twisted apart for modifications, because the bond of the caulk isn't that great.
Love the video Jonathan, but I do think you would benefit from the use of wyes, instead of Tees at the intersections. Using a short section of pipe between 45 bends also reduces the drag to airflow, based on numbers Have seen with an anemometer.
A FANTASTIC 3D rendering of your shop. Puts mine to shame.
I was thinking of using push fit fittings as no glue needed you just push together there for water so it’s watertight no air leaks and you can just pull apart to change it or if you move not sure if available in America but available in U.K.
In Australia, we must have different blue glue. You don't need to apply it to both pieces, just one side, and you have one chance to get it together, it sets almost instantly.
Good job!! That content keeps getting better and better! Love those slider shots!
hilarious at 4:00 min. "Makes you feel good in all the right places". then says "And you can see here, I've got squeeze out all around my "Joint, blue/blew everywhere".
Lol DIrty minds are alot of fun.
Hahahaha
Your sketchup skills are way better than mine, well done.
hahahaha thank you!
Quality of your new camera is fantastic, and great dust collection ! Just watch the cyclone, if it gets block in any way it will flood your workshop in dust!
i used the same metal to hang up my pvc as well! just got a 2hp dust collector which replaced my shop vac.... oh my god total differnce
Did anyone else JUST learn about the cutter on the caulking gun?
the hobbyist hahahahaha
Absolutely~! I've never noticed that either.
I had a combination square for 30 years and discovered the marking pin recently. Really had a good laugh at myself.
I have a bunch of old caulking guns that don't have a cutter AND some of the ones that are supposed to have cutters don't work well enough to even try. Unless you have a new tool, it isn't worth trying, just do it the old fashioned way.
Wait, there’s a cutter on a caulking gun??? Lol
Some nice tips and very good filming, loved the shots :)
Andrea's Workshop thanks bud!
Very neat job. Couple of comments. Shouldn't glue it as if you get a blockage impossible to clear it. You should use wyes vs sweep T fittings
Very nice. Looks exactly like I want to do with my Harbor Freight machine in my small shop.
if you had to do it over, would you scrap the single stage and go with a high quality cyclone? seems alot of shops have the hard filters, but they still get plugged even when using the upper wiper handle. I have a cyclone unit that i plumbed the piping to the shop wall, exhausting the super fine to atmoshpere, as the filters are extremely expensive. I build in two large fans put in reverse into window openings that help pull any super fines from the shop air. If one was woodworking in the winter, having heat is a must, esp for solid wood projects, and this would be a negative with all your heat getting blown outside. Nice video, enjoyed watching!!!
I have your apron and I love it! I even wear it when filming my videos so you’re getting free advertising. Up to to 18 subscribers, I’m kind of a big deal!😂🤣😂
Oh and i dig the DP Make Stuff Sticker!!!
Great video! Some new ideas for the dust collection I'm getting ready to install - esp with the cyclone mods you did.
Check out the one I just released today
Awesome job man, looking good.
Why not run the pipes above your drop-ceiling? Not enough space?
8:50 Replace the temporary cribbing (that's what house movers call it) with a cabinet with a drawer. Put that space to good use!
BTW, Nice Videography and music selection.
I would suggest put bucket on the ground run flex hose from the motor straight down to the syclone
new camera is very clear.
You one upped my school's dust collection
System looks good except for the 3-way connector. You want a long as possible straight run to the inlet of your cyclone.
2:44 - you forgot to clean the PVC first with pipe cleaner, although since you're not going for "water tight" it probably doesn't matter.
Is that dust collector similar to harbor freight one? I still drag a hose around. I don't think harbor freight has enough CFM to hard plumb.
He mentioned in another reply that it’s the same as the HF 2hp.
Nicely done! 👍👊
Your dust collection system is looking good. It will be interesting to know how you like it after using it with all your tools.
Does the "squeeze out" of the glue on the inside of the pipe or the other dribbles of sloppy gluing cause problems with blockages in the pipes once you start using it?
What are your dust collector specifications? I am looking to setup the 4 inch super dust deputy as well for just using on a 6" jointer, 13" planer and table saw (one at a time) with relative short connections and was wondering if a smaller 600ish CFM would be ok.. most that I have looked at don't list a static pressure but I don't think it will be that much of an issue as I will be connecting it directly when using each machine. TY.
I am about to do the same thing, with a used 2hp vac system that has 2” ports. any thoughts on why you chose 4” vs 2 or 3” for the hard runs? More chance of it clogging in a 2”?
I really, really need to do this! Great video as always!
It's a game changer!
I just got a new Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector to replace my Rockler Dust Right, I also have set it up as a two stage unit. I tried to keep the biggest dust making dust tools closer to the collector. I have all of my power tools along one wall of my shop. I see your PVC extends along a few walls where mine is closer to the floor. Is the system strong enough to pull from the farthest tool? Just benchmarking other shops, love your videos!
Thank you , the trolls are like you blow yourself up because of static build up or youll get shocked, some of them were ridiculous with thier theories. Thanks again.
FYI Use thin wall sewer pipe don’t glue that way you can change your runs over time add or subtract without having to cut ps its much cheaper and is more than strong enough
Nice job~! I've got my pipe & fittings ready to convert my own HF dust collector into a 2-stage as well. As for your collection drum & cyclone...instead of building up a platform to bring it up to the impeller, would it be easier to let it sit on the floor and put a piece of hose or pipe between them? Just thinking about minimizing the hassle in emptying the drum.
Thanks for the inspiration AND I love my 6:1 & 8:1 dovetail guides that arrived earlier this month~!
Andrew Brown was trying to cut down on space and decrease the amount of flexible hose. Could work either way
Hey K-M!
Nice setup! A couple of questions for you....
I had been considering doing something like this but was wondering if changing the motor/impeller from being horizontal to vertical would be a problem for the bearings’ loading? Or does it matter? My concern being that if is designed for horizontal orientation that the life of the motor/impeller bearings would be shortened....
I’ve heard that static electricity builds up on PVC from the dust flowing through. I built my system from 4 inch steel ducting with elbows and wyes from Grizzly that are designed for dust collection, and I grounded the entire thing. Did you do anything to address possible static buildup?
… And I do like the new camera!
Capt I I honestly don't think so but I would not say I'm and expert. My guess is it won't make a difference as most companies make accessories to convert to 2 stage. I did not ground my system but haven't noticed excessive static. I read about 50/50 on whether to do it or not. I'm guessing if there had been 1 reported case of dust collectors exploding it would be 100 percent for grounding. So my guess is I'll be all right.
And thank you so much! I like it too!
Nicely done, this is something I've been contemplating doing for a while. I live in So Cal and have never been able to find 4 inch drain pipe, I always thought it was a California thing but obviously you found it. Can you tell me where you bought the drain pipe? Thanks
I got all the connectors at Home Depot and the 4 inch pipe at Aqua Flo in Santa Barbara. You should look for your local plumbing supply store. Big box stores don't have it. Here's the connectors www.homedepot.com/p/NDS-4-in-PVC-3-Way-Sanitary-Tee-4P09C/100112172 EDIT: I just found it for onlt $1 a foot at Lowes! www.lowes.com/pd/4-in-x-10-ft-Sewer-Drain-PVC-Pipe/3133147
Thanks Jonathan. BTW love my dovetail jig!
Good system. I would avoid duct tape and just use slip couplings in most of the runs. If you prefer use aluminum tape. I wouldnt glue anything. I bet that sysrem works perfectly collection dust and debris.
Excellent
I realize that you’re in your new shop with a new system, but while you were using this 4” cyclone with a 15 gallon drum, did the drum size seen adequate? Were you constantly emptying the barrel? Thank you. I enjoy your video.
It definitely got the job done. Cheers
Nice content. Is that dust collector the one they sell at Harbor Freight?
Yep
Do you use a wireless remote to turn on your dust collector if so hows it working for you? P.s thanks for the awesome content!
Love it!
Don't know about the rest of the viewers, but if that bag was emptied and you used the black container to suck back up the dust, to me, it seems like there was a lot more dust in that bag than should be. I mean if part of this project was to not just reduce the amount of space the units were taking up and in fact you say you see about 99% of the dust going into the oneida barrel under the Deputy, I would not be happy seeing that much dust in the bag still. Not complaining, just curious. I have seen folks using the Dust Deputy into a 55 gallon barrel or a 32 inch aluminum can and never saw that much dust get into a bag. Any thoughts on this?
Why didn't you get a sliding miter saw?
Also, do you manufacture dovetail guides your self or do you have someone else manufacture them for you?
Oliver Delica I bought that thing for 50 bucks a year ago and that's literally the first time I've used it. It sits on a shelf the rest of the time. I use my crosscut sled 99 percent of the time. Also that's a 12 inch which has almost as much cut capacity as a 10inch slider. Plus slider means more things to be a fraction off
Katz-Moses Woodworking Shop ooh. Also my second question?
Oliver Delica check out the q and a I did with my wife. The questions and times can all be found in the description. Cheers!
Magnets holding the bag on... golden tip
Is it grounded? I,m installing ADP pipe and all the trolls are saying you need to ground the system. A PHD from MIT did research and said there's no need. Your thoughts? Thanks.
No need at all
Would you share your music list please?
Nice ideas, very clean work, only one mistake. PVC should be joined together with a 2 part adhesive. You are supposed to apply the glue to one piece, and primer to the other. When the glue and primer meet, they make an inseparable bond.
Schedule20 sewer pipe is the least expensive efficient way to do this.
Good on you. One thing to remember is that the smaller the diameter of pipe, the more restricted the airflow is. With a 2HP dust collector, you should be using 6". While it might not seem like a big difference, you would be surprised.
Thank you sir. Yea but at 10X the cost and I'm in a shop I'm probably going to move out of in 8 months... I'll wait until I get to my next shop to make that investment
Oh I hear ya. I went with 4" as well in my shop because it was going to be temporary piping. When you are ready to upgrade, look at the green sewer pipe. It's quite cheap comparatively. Although it does have thinner walls than traditional PVC, that really isn't going to affect the airflow. I'm pretty sure Jay Bates did that with his shop. Anyway, enjoy the convenience of permanent connections at each tool!
3 phase collector? The Amazon link seems to be a problem for us little folks.
Jimmy Kimmels a woodworker wow!
Damnit! I was going to comment something about The Man Show and your comment was the first one I saw. Lol
I love your attention to detail - the white tape is the way I’ll go! Thanks.
barbara kvistad thanks B!
Trying to be helpful, not too critical. the "duct tape" should be aluminum tape (that is what is used on AC systems.
paul kelly thank you!
Not sure why, getting a real Alec Steele vibe from this video style haha.
John the Schreiner that's the model hahaha
and that's a fabulous compliment. Thank you
No problem! It was meant as such.
Yeah the music and the slo-mo doing of the things. Very well done.
Close your eyes when watching this, and if I said the channel was called "Jimmy Kimmel does Woodworking" you'd believe it. Actually, Jimmy Kimmel might have to do a podcast or a TH-cam channel, from the looks of things.
CLICK THE SMASH BUTTON!!!!
have you had a fire? I hope not. grounded extraction system for example
I didn't realize that Jimmy Kimmel was a woodworker?
I really do mean this fondly, but what a plumber's nightmare!
Ross Hollinger hey man, it sucks hard and has no leaks hahaha
That's the point. I have to do this, but keep putting it off because of all the prep just to install. Guess I need to get off my butt.
Ross Hollinger it was actually way easier than expected. Plan everything in advance and it shouldn't take longer than a day or two
this could be simpler and more elegant in lots of ways
Awesome comment. How so? Enlighten us.
Step 1: own a 12" miter saw.
Very good video,thank you for keeping it realistic.However, Try making your next video without the super annoying background music blaring away. It may be the way it was once done but it dates your video as old info.l You have a nice shop,keep up the good work. I look forward to your next vid
I’d help you but I’m afraid I just blue myself.
Brian Prusa omg hahahaha. That's funken awesome!
Very nice! I love dust collection systems and think it would be a dream job to travel around and design and install them! I turned an old Jet 3HP dual bag setup into a two stage system for my woodshop. Check it out: imgur.com/a/vn8MGmJ
Zerostar369 that's Bad A*&! Cheers!
100 commercials just to watch 1 commercial..
I'm sorry but it looks like a cluster fuck to me....