VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE REGARDING RE7'S BENCHMARK HERE. So, it appears that there was some kind of bug with my OBS that was causing a massive performance drop on the game merely by being open, and when stacked on with a recording, dropped my performance by over 30%. I have checked the other games and this did not appear to effect them in any significant way, not sure why the RE mods were an anamoly. I cannot verify if this effected the 3090 TI as well, due to no longer possessing the card, but I would assume so as, while not specific to the RE mods, I've seen some people complain about this with OBS in other games. So the relative increase from the 3090 TI is PROBABLY valid as similar best case numbers have been seen in flatscreen gaming. I could effectively get the same FPS on Large FoV as I was getting on normal FoV, little bit better even, despite the fact Large is around 5000x3160~ while Normal is roughly 3800x3160~ per eye, which is a gigantic difference. Deeply sorry for the problem, I usually launch OBS first and play most of my games with it open, since I record most of what I play, so I didn't realize the bug and only caught it when adjusting some settings off screen in RE8 to optimize it for my coming playthrough. I may do another video benchmark specifically for RE7&RE8 on the 4090 due to this to show off the better performance in light of this, because that is a significant bump and it's actually quite possible to do a fairly solid 90FPS with max settings with FSR despite the huge resolution.
I got it for Assetto corsa in VR, shutoko revival project now runs smoothly. Crazy cost, but hey... racing in Tokyo against the traffic on a Ferrari f40 ain't cheap in real life either.
You are crazy man... By the way, try the Automobilista 2! The best Sim in my opinion, and very well optimized for VR, or if you want to put the 4090 to it's knees try the Assetto corsa Competiccione. Not even a 4090 can with it!!
yeah, agreed. its good to see we are finally getting enough performance to make vr truly worthwhile for the masses that wont accept graphical downgrades from pancake. but its currently waaay too much money.
5060 wont Be at the 4090 lvl lol.... The 4090 only did this impressive JUMP BC the Changes from 8nm Samsung to 4nm tsmc and cranking Up the Power Draw Like crazy .... The 4070ti will BE about the lvl of a 3090 So 4060 will BE Like ~ 3070ti Next time they will Go from 4nm to 3nm so only a 25% reducing instead of 60%+ BC 8nm Samsung was worse than 8nm tsmc ... So If we are lucky we can assume 5060 ~ 3080ti 6060 ~ 4080 7060 ~ 4090 There wont BE another big jump Like this unless they introduced a whole new tech
@@larsbaer3508 Nops! the 4090 heavily undervolted ( 350W) just drops like 5% compared to stock in the benchmarks. 4nm and a monolitic awesome design it's what make it possible. But this will likely be the last of it's kind, far too expensive to produce compared to the multichip solution everyone it's adopting. And unfortunately by the time a 5060 hit the market it could cost as much as 600$, as lately the price is more related to the performance than the age of the technology.
Great vid dude well done! Agree about 4090, it's fantastic. Also, thx for bringing to my attention a few games i've not played B4 that i'll probably like.
Well it took 9 months later but I got one. Zotac Trinity OC 4090 and WOW!!! Went from a 3080 TI and now 8K X good good good. Wait a min Crystal oh yes good good good accept a foreign object behind the barrel lens...yes Pimax is aware of this, there taking there time understanding. Maybe in 1 year I can ugrade my I9 9900K I know I know I am missing out of 10 to 20% more FPS but I am so happy right now please dont rain on my 4090 parade.
My second video on RTX 4090 Benchmarks is now UP with 10+ games, from VRChat, Alyx, Saints and Sinners, and more. Check it out here! th-cam.com/video/Ciq5pdxd7e4/w-d-xo.html
Just sold my 3080 for the 4090 to pair with my Varjo Aero and I'm blown away! Definitely worth it for me. I sold the 8KX earlier this year for the Aero. I needed the best clarity for flight simulator cockpits, which is the only games I play. Nice review Cylon 😂
I had to quickly look for aero VR, retail rpice on 2000USD oh my, usually I dont mind being poor all year, just those times where you are really limited to your quest 2 lenses its when it hurts the most lol
I'd love to see this type of video with the upcoming 7900XT/XTX. Also, as others said, it would be nice if you could figure out a way to get a comparison test in VRchat, just running through a random public lobby would definitely not cut it because that would be way too many random variables, but if you were in the same demanding world with a couple of friends who are in the same avatars for both tests, I think that would make it fair. People tend to say that it's a very CPU bound game, and it's true but when the resolution is so high it becomes more GPU dependant than one might think.
Unfortunately, I no longer possess my 3090 TI and so I cannot do a 1:1 benchmark like this with it, but I still do plan on sort of doing a performance showcase of the 4090 in real world usage in VRChat due to popular demand, and a few other games. Delayed a little bit though as I have to RMA my monitor so I can't quite get in VR for a little bit. But it IS coming eventually! Considering the extremely variable nature of VRChat, I feel like that'll still be a decent 'benchmark' that'll give an idea of performance. For what it is worth, while I didn't do any hard benchmarking, from some brief playing around with it and occasionally checking my ingame FPS on the counter, I was getting a pretty solid 60-75FPS at max settings with unlimited mirror resolution in a public world with 15-20 people at normal(140 degrees, around 3.8k x 3.1k resolution) FoV. Safety settings all turned off. And that's pretty impressive from everything I have seen on VRChat performance. If I had the money for it, I'd love to get the 7900XTX and benchmark it, but that's outside of my means at this time.
@@Omniwhatever That's pretty nice, I currently play VRchat with MSAA turned down from 8x (which is default) to 2x. I figured that when the headset resolution is already so high, you really don't need MSAA to be turned all the way up, and it sure helps the performance a lot when it's lowered. Whatever you decide to do, it's always good to see more VR benchmarks, there are far too few that are not just MS Flight simulator or Racing.
Thanks for this vdo, I've been looking to confirm that I need the 4090 to finally run VR. I don't have a PIMAX... yet? I see most visors are at 90hz, do you think this is the best refresh rate or just another technology limit we are dealing with? I did see Pimax had another visor that had 110hz at same resolution. I have a Reverb G2 but its capped at 90hz. The MSRP of the 4090 is nothing to anyone who can afford a VR setup. One can also compromise on the flat monitor cost in lieu of getting the Best VR visor. I think most VR games are hamstringing themselves at the moment by downgrading graphics. VR won't be attractive to enough people until it can run Resident Evil like graphics at stable 120fps. Which might be very possible with lower resolution visor. The real question is, what resolution can be "enough". I mean, the real importance is the higher ppi so we no longer see the pixels, then tune resolution for best fps. After that , the holy grail will be a VR setup that doesn't require being tethered, so it would have to first be backpack size, and then finally all built into the headset. PS- looking at the raytracing on RE7, we need a 20% stronger GPU to get it to 90 fps stable. But then we have to also remember you are running very high resolution on the PIMAX.
Thanks! Glad you found the video useful. To answer your first question. The reason most HMDs are at 90hz, is that is generally considered the minimum for where most find motion smooth enough to be 'immersive' on FPS/Hz in VR, according to some lab testing. VR is an insanely demanding medium, as even lower resolution HMDs, like the Index, are pushing pixels comparable or greater than 4k after supersampling for barrel distortion. Meanwhile, the G2 after supersampling is rendering more pixels in EACH EYE than a 4k monitor is. Pixel count alone is not the only factor in performance, but it is a major one. Driving those kind of resolutions is hard as hell to do above 90hz, even meeting 90hz can be a struggle in some games! The 4090, beast as it is, still had to get some help with stuff like FSR or lowering FoV in some games. Plus, getting better spec panels, like higher hz, translates to more expensive manufacturing, which translates to costlier products. There are some HMDs with above 90hz though. The Q2, the Index, the Vive Pro 2, the Pimax 5k Super. But, aside from the Vive Pro 2, and maybe the Q2, most of them are lower resolution. And good luck driving most stuff at 120hz on the VP2 without a 4090. This also goes in the graphic thing, because the best graphics in the world don't matter if you can't run it above 10FPS. I also disagree. I don't think that what VR needs to be 'mainstream', VR is a lot more than graphics. I think the coming form factors with things like pancake lenses AND having good cost will be what VR needs to really 'make it'. Hell, we've already seen the huge success of the Q2 due to the great price it had for so long. There's many things which go into VR, from clarity, FoV, FPS, etc... And the fact the Q2 sold as much as it did kind of proves we don't need to have everything be near lifelike graphics for it to sell well. VR Backpacks were actually a thing for a time and they... Sold pretty poorly. Yeah, admitedly, the Q2 has certainly cause some games to really noticeably regress to be built around it that hamstrung the PC versions. Hello, Sniper Elite VR and Onward. But many games still look good. A proper art style can be better than going for photo realism, depending on what you want to do. There's so much more to VR than just resolution, it's all about pixel density. The 8k X, for example, has 3840 x 2160 per eye, but it's slightly less sharper than the G2's 2160 x 2160 per eye. Because its field of view means the pixels are stretched out over a much wider area, 160 degrees vs the G2's tiny 99 degrees. If you had that same resolution of the Pimax compressed into the G2's FoV, you'd get a significantly higher pixel density. Heck, as a case and point, the upcoming Pimax Crystal has a similar total pixel count as the 8k X does, but at 110 degrees FoV it has a whopping 42PPD, over double what the 8k X has. We definitely can do better and get higher specs, there's ALWAYS better. But VR is kind of in a situation like flatscreen was when 4k monitors first came out. Very few things could properly drive them and GPUs sort of had to catch up to make the best usage of em. But, I think that, generally speaking, where VR is overall would be "good enough" to get people interested. I think it's mostly cost and form factor which is holding VR back from being more mass market, but it's already well on its way there. I say this as an enthusiast who's looking forward to the brick of the Pimax 12k due to how it seemingly has near everything, despite being gigantic compared to the pancake lenses form factor. DLSS is also coming to the RE mods, so stable 90hz without significant quality loss might be possible in the near future on the 8k X here! DLSS looks way better than FSR 1, in most cases.
see now, this is the stuff people don't understand, GPUs really need to be tested in VR not just normal games. VR is a whole different test on the GPU and really matter with frame times and other crap. ye going from a 3090 to a 4090 in desktop games might give 20fps or 30fps more, but in VR its a huge leap in performance.
Man it sure does. Back when I did this video I was a lot more basic on the metrics I got and little embarrassed of it now. Refined my process a lot for more recent videos to include some more information and better testing suite. There's not enough people around doing thorough VR benchmarks and wish we had some more! it's one of the places where the high end GPUs really matter. Even just going from something like 90FPS with dips to 70s to basically locked 90FPS feels soooo much better than you'd think it would in VR vs flatscreen.
You shouldn't be disappointed! The 4090 can probably max out almost everything on the G2 from all I've seen with it. Even MSFS it should do amazing with if using DLSS and/or Foveated Rendering based onthe results I've seen from some other people. The thing's such a powerful GPU.
3 issues: how hot is your room now though? how empty is your bank account now? have you got a fire extinguisher present? jk, thanks for the video, very useful and informative.
1: I'll just say it's a good thing I have such a huge fan going all the time 2: Living off bread and water for a while seems like a good idea right about now 3: I'm so prepared I have TWO of them in my room. If my PC goes up in flames, at least I won't too! But a fire extinguisher can't put out the crippling depression that'll follow.
Picking up mine tomorrow or after tomorrow hopefully ,with a 1000w atx 3 psu and a vertical mount, costs a testicle, all I need now is the 12k pimax to upgrade
Thanks for the in-depth analysis! Not sure if you mentioned, but what resolution are you running the games at? It would be helpful to put that in the description with the other specs.
I did, about 46 seconds in. 4920x3160 per eye. Except for the benchmarks 10:28-11:55, where I did note the res too. I'll put em in the description though, good point!
I have a 3080ti and I was not impressed from the jump from 2080ti in VR I normally only get ti cards and I kind of won't to wait for the next ti but this 4090 is dam tempting. . This is the best benchmark vid dode keep it up and I'm digging the incognito look
You can't go past your HMD's refresh rate. So if you have one which supports above 90hz, sure. But if you don't, like I did in this video, then no. In VR, latency is a big deal so you can't pre-render/buffer a bunch of frames and go well above your FPSCap.
Are you running on an Quest 2 with OpenXR runtime set to Oculus? In that case, you're running off the Oculus runtime instead of SteamVR, and so you won't be able to use any SteamVR features, which FPSVR runs off of to function. Using the right openXR runtime nets you an additional 10-20% performance, from what I've seen people say and some of my personal testing.
Haha yeah, I've gotten that comment a few times about the outfit! I didn't wanna show my face, so I had the thought of why not do any webcam stuff in VR for fun and it kind of just snowballed into the get up. Definitely does its job of being eye catching!
I am gonna wait till the prices drop to fair levels, but a 4090 for VR will be awesome. I am currently running a 3080, which is already pretty well for most games but, but with a 4090 I could really turn up the resolution. Already switched from an 5800x to an 5800x3d and most games run FAR better now.
Thanks! Appreciate the confidence. Gonna try to upload more. Took a bit of a break since I was waiting for new stuff to arrive, like the Kat Walk and 4090, before jumping back in.
With the quest i can, i get 120 fps with the quest max resolution on a 4090 on re7 with no rt, but with a high fov, is it possible, or do i have to settle 90 fps
It's not that simple. FoV is part of what'll effect your graphics load but the resolution matters too. If you ran the exact same resolution as the Quest 3 but somebody stretched the FoV way out, you wouldn't notice a significant performance different most likely. But you can't do that, you'd need to get another headset which supports that wide FoV.
I am building a PC with 4090 as the final tech but I can get in January for decent money (around 1.6k dollars). At the moment I can get 3090 or 3090ti for around 1k or a bit less. I mostly want to play ACC or something similar if ACC is not playable. 3090 could grt before Christmas. I will use Pimax 8akx. What do you think? Should I waste my time with 3090 or go straight to 4090? I could resell 3090 for the same price I guess
I've heard ACC is extremely, extremely poorly optimized for VR and the original AC plays much better. As for what I think, well depends a bit. Firstly, I really doubt you will be able to resell the 3090 for 1k by January. The 4080 will be out and AMD 7900XTX, which looks a lot stronger in rasterization than the 3090, will be out for 1k USD, and looks like it'll match the 3090 in ray tracing. Maybe wait and see what the 7900XTX offers. The Pimax 8k X IS currently incompatible with AMD GPUs, however perhaps it'll change with the next generation. If you won't be getting the GPU until close to Christmay though, why not just wait? Or wait and see what the market shapes up to be. If you're not in the best financial situation and you cop a 3090 TI for 900 or less, could be a decent buy. Or perhaps the 7900XTX will come in swinging. Then reassess the market conditions after it launches in December.
@@mike_33gt I do! Probably what I play most, moreso than flatscreen mostly. As for the outfit. Initially, I didn't feel like showing my face or myself much on camera. So, thought I'd just wear some black pants and shirt, but I didn't actually have a black shirt at the time, but what I did have was that outfit and the balaclava left over from a Darth Revan outfit. That, coupled with thinking about doing webcam stuff in VR to get around showing my face just then kind of snowballed into using it as sort of a look, because felt like it stood out fairly well and went well with my headset.
@@Omniwhatever that actually looks good! Grey walls and background would compliment the black outfit. If you don’t need wooden shelves behind you I would get rid of them as well, so that all is in harmony on YT!
Finally a review that makes sense. Reviewers benchmarking the 4090 at 1440p gtfo. VR is the ONLY use case that justifies buying that overpriced brick. Then again, I have an Index and the rtx 7900xtx will get me 90% of that performance for 60% of the price so I am finally switching to team red. But amd will likely release a 6950xt next year, which should surpass the 4090 and still be cheaper. So I'm likely upgrading when that drops. While ok for 4k,my 3080 hasn't exactly blown my mind in VR. Now if only there was a decent oled VR headset to upgrade to from my index...
The thing about VRChat is that it's really hard to do a proper comparative benchmark due to the nature of it and user created content. At least in what I'd say feels like a "real world" use case. Sure, I COULD go to a completely empty, graphically demanding world... But that wouldn't be too reflective of how most people play the game, would it? And I sure won't be finding identical lobbies of 10+ people I can use to compare the two cards. THAT SAID, I did play a little bit with it. At Normal FoV in a bit more demanding world with at least 20+ people, forgot exactly how many though, and maxed settings with mirror resolution set to unlimited and no MSAA, I was getting a pretty reasonable and fairly stable 60FPS+. So the 4090 definitely puts in some impressive world. The VRAM alone can be a lifesaver.
@@Errorvator CPU's a big deal for VRChat, but I've definitely noticed some performance improvements from the 3090 TI in it. Though, that's just kind of going on feel right now and sometimes checking the ingame FPS counter.
@@Omniwhatever If you need the same people to stay in a lobby with same avatars ' I'd try my best to be available. Other options would be loading avatars into your own world or creating some accounts and letting them run on vms. Saying that, it is more challenging to test then other games.
question for ya. So I've been testing framerates in various games with my setup for VR. However, my gpu usage is always stuck around 60%. It doesn't ever get to 98% like your does here. Thermal throttling is definitely not the issue, as my temps stay within the limits. any ideas?
That most likely indicates are you CPU bottlenecked, assuming you're not reaching your FPS cap that is. If you check my other RTX 4090 10 VR game benchmark video, there's a few times where I was CPU bound and you can see my GPU utilization drops to sometimes as low as almost 50% despite being below 60FPS. This happens, most notably, in the first VRChat world I showed off. Now, if you're reaching the FPS cap of your HMD, then that's just a case of your GPU doesn't have to work hard enough to be maxed out.
sheesh man, I been playing VR on my 1660! I only play sim racing (assetto corsa) and sometimes f1 2022, I bought myself a 3070 thinking, man now I have some headroom for at least a year or so! damn I was so wrong, the jump from a 1660 was quite noticable on gpu usage and textures, but for someone using a quest 2 like me, textures and details dont make much difference, I can ramp up just a tiny bit more the res of the quest 2 to like 2500 by 2100p per eye, I originally got this 3070 a few weeks ago just to eliminate the stutters on assetto corsa so I play online with peace of mind, but quickly realized that for playing f1 2022 I would need even more pawah,.. It would be a never ending story for me, since I dont plan to spend over 800usd for a card my best bet its second hand, I will have to wait until next year either the 3090 would be crazy cheap or I get rich to the point I dont care to throw 2000 bucks, since also the gpu sweet spot regarding price its around the 3070/80 (price wise) it feels so bad to spend significantly more for just a tiny bit extra performance
I have a 4090 but in my old computer CPU is a 6700k, waiting for 7800x3d review before upgrading the rest of the computer. But I now have drops to 60fps on quest 2 in half-life alyx all the time no mater what resolution scaling and minimum graphics settings in the game. Latest driver with everything. Dont know if the 4090 is worthless in VR using an old cpu or if there are other software-related problems. I have spent two weekends tinkering around with setting with no results, no matter the settings the framerate will not be stable at 120. Will stop playing VR for a month and a half until I put the 4090 in a brand new computer, hope it will be able to play HL alyx and Saints and sinners with stable fps in any graphical settings at all with the quest 2 then at least..
Your CPU is absolutely holding you back there very badly. CPU is less important in most VR games, but if you got a really old one, like that, it'll still kneecap a GPU that strong.
"i9" means nothing without knowing the generation. An i9-9900k is very different from, say, an i9-13900k. They're an ocean of performance apart. A 3050 is also rather weak in general for VR of almost any kind that's not on old and low resolution HMDs.
I've tried many, many times to get Skyrim configured in a way that's made me happy, but never been able to make it workout and even when I did get some stuff working, I still had some trouble getting into it due to my preference for melee and melee is still kind of jank in it even with the mods. I may give it another go someday. th-cam.com/video/CQhahE28Jgo/w-d-xo.html However, this guy here has posted 2 videos which are a great showcase of Skyrim in the meantime, with heavy mods on stuff like 8k textures and ENBs, which may be what you're looking for!
Is it just me or visually does it look like there is no difference? I understand the numbers say differently but I really can't tell with my eye. Not a hater, just conflicted between buying a 3090Ti and a 4090.
That's kind of the point in most of the comparisons? Generally, I dialed up settings to the max for my comparisons and only turned them up if I had headroom(Like in Guildford Castle with FSR) and was limited by my refresh rate, if I even still had options to turn up. The point being to illustrate the difference when it's most likely to be GPU bound and how much further you can push the 4090 on the same settings than the 3090 TI. It wouldn't really be a fair or like for like comparison if I used different settings each time. If you're talking about the raw frame rate and that feeling different, that's not going to show up terribly well in the video. Go play anything capped at 30FPS and then 60 or higher even on flatscreen, you'll notice it though. ESPECIALLY in VR.
answer me something friend. I want to buy a 4090 so I can play vr with my pico4. My current monitor is only fhd, I intend to buy another monitor, in this case a 4k 144hz to be able to take full advantage of the capacity of the 4090. Can you tell me if the monitor I'm using also makes a difference to play on the headset? If for me to have better resolution I really need a 4k 144hz monitor or because I play on the headset is this not necessary?
What your monitor's resolution is has zero impact on your headset. They're completely different and it won't matter if you have a 4k, 1440p, or 1080p monitor for VR.
Nice video keep it up! Just bought a 4090 mostly to play the Resident Evil series but my 4090 (msi ventus OC) in R.E.7 cant handle 70-90 fps with FSR and large FOV at 1.0 render quality in PiTool, more like 45fps. i have to decrease render to 0.75 to hit 90fps. Maybe something i missed?
8kx resolution was very disappointing to me and sold it quickly. Also own the Artisan which upsampled was just close to the 8kx in my experience. Better wait for newer headsets.
While it ain't any kind of formalized testing, did briefly go into a public world with it at normal FoV with a friend that was decently heavy and had at least 15+ people, maybe 20, and I was still getting a fairly solid 60ish. VRChat's still VRChat with unoptimized user content, but I'd largely say you don't need safety settings with the 4090. Still gonna block the avatars which take a whole gig of VRAM and have 100 physbones though
No, not really. The RE games really only have it because they're flatscreen games ported to VR via modding. I think the amount of VR games with raytracing could be counted on one hand.
In VR? The standard is more 90hz, not 60. It's not unplayable, but as I said I wouldn't consider it all THAT playable. Especially considering they'll be a lot more happening during live gameplay in something like Project Wingman. Believe me, 60 to 90 makes a very, very big difference in VR.
It stands for Fidelity Super Resolution. Know how DLSS upscales the game from a lower resolution to save performance? Think something like that, though they have their own differences and DLSS is largely more advanced. It's a popular mod to use in VR because VR is extremely performance intensive and needs every bit of performance it can get. It usually entails a small hit to visual performance, but as you can see in the video it often leads to MASSIVE gains well worth the trade off.
Plan to take a look at it, and some other games perhaps, in another video! Won't be a performance comparison though, just sort of a general showcase of the 4090 in it.
Sorry to hear that. It's definittely not for everyone and Pimax needs to sort out their QC. I've had basically no issues with mine and it's my favorite HMD out of the 8 I have tried.
I didn't say it was low res, but that it's lowER resolution. And compared to the 8k X, which I was benchmarking, it is quite a bit lower. The 8k X has, before barrel distortion, 3840x2160 per eye vs the Reverb G2's 2160x2160 per eye, which is a biiiiiiig per eye difference. After barrel distortion, the G2's res is something like 3.1k x 3.1k, where the 8k X is like 5k x 3.1k. Normal FoV on the 8k X is a bit closer, around 3.9k x 3.1k, but is only moderately higher. Like I said, the 4090 will absolutely still be put to good use on the G2, but upgrading may not feel like as pressing a need, depending on what you play, if you're already on a 3090 or 3090 TI.
@@Omniwhatever i wanted to build a PC for vr. But for simracing only. Lots of people rec g2 as 8k is a „hassle to set up”. I could get 4090 but in three months for 1700 usd or 3090ti for 800 in two weeks and start playing already… Maybe I could build pc with 3090ti with intention to use it with 4090?
@@mike_33gt Honestly, I think some of Pimax's problems are a bit exaggerated, but they are NOT for first timers in VR or those who are not willing to spend a good chunk of time troubleshooting and dialing things in. There's a lot of jank or lacking polish in places. When you get it set up and it works, it's great, but it can be hell for some people to get it working. My experience has been largely positive, I've had no problems in my year and a half of using my 8k X and it was a very easy set up, save for one issue that lasted a single day, but there are plenty of people who have lots of problem with Pimax and so I'm hesitant to recommend them outside of a certain type of people. The FoV, for sim racing though, is pretty huge, gives you a massive sense of speed you don't otherwise get. I know a guy who has a Pimax and does a lot of Assetto Corsa, he loves it after using stuff like the Index and Quest 2. My 8k X is also my personal favorite out of the 8 HMDs I have tried. I also must mention the 3090 TI has a known issue with several VR Headsets where it doesn't work with them, and that includes Pimax HMDs and I think the Reverb G2. You need a specific kind of DP extender to fix it, the Pimax one is quite expensive(LINDY 8k 1.4 extender) but I don't know if you need the same one for the G2. But you may need to add a chunk of extra money if you plan on getting the G2 or a Pimax HMD.
I am assuming you are running the 8K-X at PiTool Render Setting of 1 ??? Have you tried 1.75 or 2.0 with SteamVR Render at 50%? Curious. Meanwhile, back to my 2080 - long face / LOL.
Yes, it was at render setting of 1 and SteamVR 100%. Why would I do PiTool 1.75/2.0 and SteamVR 50%? If I set the SteamVR resolution slider to the same as what PiTool 1.75 to 2.0 brings me, it'll give me the same results as setting it that way in PiTool.
@@Omniwhatever Better tweaks at higher than 1 on the PiTool render setting. Larger sweat spot visually as well the higher you go even when SteamVR is dialled down to under 100% Just the way the PiMax cookie crumbles. 🥳
@@pierrebroccoli.9396 That's not been what I've noticed whenever I've used higher PT render quality and that's not how the resolution scaling/barrel distortion works. PiTool's a much easier one click supersampling thing due to the presets, but if you adjust the SSing in SteamVR to the same as you get from PiTool, the results will be the same.
@@Omniwhatever I stick to simple fractions with SteamVR of my PiTool setting. i.e. SteamVR settings of 25% / 50% or 100% I find larger sweet spot with PiTool 1.75 and SteamVR 25% then I do at PiTool 1 and SteamVR 100% or PiTool 1.25 / SteamVR 50%. Has been stipulated by Kevin from Pimax that better visuals at higher PiTool settings. Anyway, just my experience as a flight sim nut who's been with PiMax VR since the 8K kick starter. You have some good VR crunching equipment. Enjoy.👍
pls someone can help me with a problem?!!! i buy an rx6950xt and have 3 power connection 2 with 8 pins one with 6 pins! now my power supply is 1000w ! but for some reaon i lost the cable to connect the gpu to power supply! right now i don t have a clue what cables to order and wich part of the psu connection to plug in! i try with 3 individuals cables and dosen t work!!
VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE REGARDING RE7'S BENCHMARK HERE.
So, it appears that there was some kind of bug with my OBS that was causing a massive performance drop on the game merely by being open, and when stacked on with a recording, dropped my performance by over 30%. I have checked the other games and this did not appear to effect them in any significant way, not sure why the RE mods were an anamoly. I cannot verify if this effected the 3090 TI as well, due to no longer possessing the card, but I would assume so as, while not specific to the RE mods, I've seen some people complain about this with OBS in other games. So the relative increase from the 3090 TI is PROBABLY valid as similar best case numbers have been seen in flatscreen gaming.
I could effectively get the same FPS on Large FoV as I was getting on normal FoV, little bit better even, despite the fact Large is around 5000x3160~ while Normal is roughly 3800x3160~ per eye, which is a gigantic difference.
Deeply sorry for the problem, I usually launch OBS first and play most of my games with it open, since I record most of what I play, so I didn't realize the bug and only caught it when adjusting some settings off screen in RE8 to optimize it for my coming playthrough. I may do another video benchmark specifically for RE7&RE8 on the 4090 due to this to show off the better performance in light of this, because that is a significant bump and it's actually quite possible to do a fairly solid 90FPS with max settings with FSR despite the huge resolution.
4090 terrifies me... but you know what terrifies me more? The future release of 5090, and the fact that there are just 2 years left
that would be a test for the pimax 12k
for me its the 8950XTX. for the same price.
News came in that from a year from now they are going to release it. So end of 2023
@@vmafarah9473 AMD cards suck at vr
@@vmafarah9473AMD isn't making anything over a 8700 next cycle
we need more vr 4090 content ASAP!
I got it for Assetto corsa in VR, shutoko revival project now runs smoothly. Crazy cost, but hey... racing in Tokyo against the traffic on a Ferrari f40 ain't cheap in real life either.
You are crazy man...
By the way, try the Automobilista 2! The best Sim in my opinion, and very well optimized for VR, or if you want to put the 4090 to it's knees try the Assetto corsa Competiccione. Not even a 4090 can with it!!
I’m gonna wait 2-4 years til this performance is in the 5060 or 6060 range. Way to expensive to consider for playing video games imo.
yeah, agreed. its good to see we are finally getting enough performance to make vr truly worthwhile for the masses that wont accept graphical downgrades from pancake. but its currently waaay too much money.
5060 wont Be at the 4090 lvl lol....
The 4090 only did this impressive JUMP BC the Changes from 8nm Samsung to 4nm tsmc and cranking Up the Power Draw Like crazy ....
The 4070ti will BE about the lvl of a 3090
So 4060 will BE Like ~ 3070ti
Next time they will Go from 4nm to 3nm so only a 25% reducing instead of 60%+ BC 8nm Samsung was worse than 8nm tsmc ...
So If we are lucky we can assume
5060 ~ 3080ti
6060 ~ 4080
7060 ~ 4090
There wont BE another big jump Like this unless they introduced a whole new tech
@@larsbaer3508 Nops! the 4090 heavily undervolted ( 350W) just drops like 5% compared to stock in the benchmarks. 4nm and a monolitic awesome design it's what make it possible. But this will likely be the last of it's kind, far too expensive to produce compared to the multichip solution everyone it's adopting. And unfortunately by the time a 5060 hit the market it could cost as much as 600$, as lately the price is more related to the performance than the age of the technology.
@@gerardsitja so you Just disregard any knowlesge that we can Draw from other die shrinks ... Hmmmmm i guess you are Just ignorant
Please paint that spot on the wall XD
Great vid dude well done! Agree about 4090, it's fantastic. Also, thx for bringing to my attention a few games i've not played B4 that i'll probably like.
Well it took 9 months later but I got one. Zotac Trinity OC 4090 and WOW!!! Went from a 3080 TI and now 8K X good good good. Wait a min Crystal oh yes good good good accept a foreign object behind the barrel lens...yes Pimax is aware of this, there taking there time understanding. Maybe in 1 year I can ugrade my I9 9900K I know I know I am missing out of 10 to 20% more FPS but I am so happy right now please dont rain on my 4090 parade.
My second video on RTX 4090 Benchmarks is now UP with 10+ games, from VRChat, Alyx, Saints and Sinners, and more. Check it out here!
th-cam.com/video/Ciq5pdxd7e4/w-d-xo.html
Microsoft Flight Simulator - Ultra settings, Manhattan NY please.
Just sold my 3080 for the 4090 to pair with my Varjo Aero and I'm blown away! Definitely worth it for me. I sold the 8KX earlier this year for the Aero. I needed the best clarity for flight simulator cockpits, which is the only games I play. Nice review Cylon 😂
I had to quickly look for aero VR, retail rpice on 2000USD oh my, usually I dont mind being poor all year, just those times where you are really limited to your quest 2 lenses its when it hurts the most lol
I went for not playing ACC in vr to now playing it and it's a beautiful gsme
I'd love to see this type of video with the upcoming 7900XT/XTX. Also, as others said, it would be nice if you could figure out a way to get a comparison test in VRchat, just running through a random public lobby would definitely not cut it because that would be way too many random variables, but if you were in the same demanding world with a couple of friends who are in the same avatars for both tests, I think that would make it fair. People tend to say that it's a very CPU bound game, and it's true but when the resolution is so high it becomes more GPU dependant than one might think.
Unfortunately, I no longer possess my 3090 TI and so I cannot do a 1:1 benchmark like this with it, but I still do plan on sort of doing a performance showcase of the 4090 in real world usage in VRChat due to popular demand, and a few other games. Delayed a little bit though as I have to RMA my monitor so I can't quite get in VR for a little bit. But it IS coming eventually!
Considering the extremely variable nature of VRChat, I feel like that'll still be a decent 'benchmark' that'll give an idea of performance. For what it is worth, while I didn't do any hard benchmarking, from some brief playing around with it and occasionally checking my ingame FPS on the counter, I was getting a pretty solid 60-75FPS at max settings with unlimited mirror resolution in a public world with 15-20 people at normal(140 degrees, around 3.8k x 3.1k resolution) FoV. Safety settings all turned off. And that's pretty impressive from everything I have seen on VRChat performance.
If I had the money for it, I'd love to get the 7900XTX and benchmark it, but that's outside of my means at this time.
@@Omniwhatever That's pretty nice, I currently play VRchat with MSAA turned down from 8x (which is default) to 2x. I figured that when the headset resolution is already so high, you really don't need MSAA to be turned all the way up, and it sure helps the performance a lot when it's lowered.
Whatever you decide to do, it's always good to see more VR benchmarks, there are far too few that are not just MS Flight simulator or Racing.
AMD still having codec problems on VR, which affects any headset that its not displayed directly but thru conversion
Thanks for this comparison!! VR is so much more demanding than flatscreen afterall!
Thanks for this vdo, I've been looking to confirm that I need the 4090 to finally run VR. I don't have a PIMAX... yet? I see most visors are at 90hz, do you think this is the best refresh rate or just another technology limit we are dealing with? I did see Pimax had another visor that had 110hz at same resolution.
I have a Reverb G2 but its capped at 90hz.
The MSRP of the 4090 is nothing to anyone who can afford a VR setup. One can also compromise on the flat monitor cost in lieu of getting the Best VR visor.
I think most VR games are hamstringing themselves at the moment by downgrading graphics. VR won't be attractive to enough people until it can run Resident Evil like graphics at stable 120fps. Which might be very possible with lower resolution visor. The real question is, what resolution can be "enough". I mean, the real importance is the higher ppi so we no longer see the pixels, then tune resolution for best fps.
After that , the holy grail will be a VR setup that doesn't require being tethered, so it would have to first be backpack size, and then finally all built into the headset.
PS- looking at the raytracing on RE7, we need a 20% stronger GPU to get it to 90 fps stable. But then we have to also remember you are running very high resolution on the PIMAX.
Thanks! Glad you found the video useful. To answer your first question. The reason most HMDs are at 90hz, is that is generally considered the minimum for where most find motion smooth enough to be 'immersive' on FPS/Hz in VR, according to some lab testing. VR is an insanely demanding medium, as even lower resolution HMDs, like the Index, are pushing pixels comparable or greater than 4k after supersampling for barrel distortion. Meanwhile, the G2 after supersampling is rendering more pixels in EACH EYE than a 4k monitor is. Pixel count alone is not the only factor in performance, but it is a major one. Driving those kind of resolutions is hard as hell to do above 90hz, even meeting 90hz can be a struggle in some games! The 4090, beast as it is, still had to get some help with stuff like FSR or lowering FoV in some games. Plus, getting better spec panels, like higher hz, translates to more expensive manufacturing, which translates to costlier products. There are some HMDs with above 90hz though. The Q2, the Index, the Vive Pro 2, the Pimax 5k Super. But, aside from the Vive Pro 2, and maybe the Q2, most of them are lower resolution. And good luck driving most stuff at 120hz on the VP2 without a 4090. This also goes in the graphic thing, because the best graphics in the world don't matter if you can't run it above 10FPS.
I also disagree. I don't think that what VR needs to be 'mainstream', VR is a lot more than graphics. I think the coming form factors with things like pancake lenses AND having good cost will be what VR needs to really 'make it'. Hell, we've already seen the huge success of the Q2 due to the great price it had for so long. There's many things which go into VR, from clarity, FoV, FPS, etc... And the fact the Q2 sold as much as it did kind of proves we don't need to have everything be near lifelike graphics for it to sell well. VR Backpacks were actually a thing for a time and they... Sold pretty poorly. Yeah, admitedly, the Q2 has certainly cause some games to really noticeably regress to be built around it that hamstrung the PC versions. Hello, Sniper Elite VR and Onward. But many games still look good. A proper art style can be better than going for photo realism, depending on what you want to do.
There's so much more to VR than just resolution, it's all about pixel density. The 8k X, for example, has 3840 x 2160 per eye, but it's slightly less sharper than the G2's 2160 x 2160 per eye. Because its field of view means the pixels are stretched out over a much wider area, 160 degrees vs the G2's tiny 99 degrees. If you had that same resolution of the Pimax compressed into the G2's FoV, you'd get a significantly higher pixel density. Heck, as a case and point, the upcoming Pimax Crystal has a similar total pixel count as the 8k X does, but at 110 degrees FoV it has a whopping 42PPD, over double what the 8k X has.
We definitely can do better and get higher specs, there's ALWAYS better. But VR is kind of in a situation like flatscreen was when 4k monitors first came out. Very few things could properly drive them and GPUs sort of had to catch up to make the best usage of em. But, I think that, generally speaking, where VR is overall would be "good enough" to get people interested. I think it's mostly cost and form factor which is holding VR back from being more mass market, but it's already well on its way there. I say this as an enthusiast who's looking forward to the brick of the Pimax 12k due to how it seemingly has near everything, despite being gigantic compared to the pancake lenses form factor.
DLSS is also coming to the RE mods, so stable 90hz without significant quality loss might be possible in the near future on the 8k X here! DLSS looks way better than FSR 1, in most cases.
Saw your post on reddit I like the comparisons thanks for the video
Now its time for Half Life Alyx and Asgards Wrath in high resolutions 🤩
my 3060 was able to run alyx at fairly high resolution . its ultra optimized
see now, this is the stuff people don't understand, GPUs really need to be tested in VR not just normal games. VR is a whole different test on the GPU and really matter with frame times and other crap. ye going from a 3090 to a 4090 in desktop games might give 20fps or 30fps more, but in VR its a huge leap in performance.
Man it sure does. Back when I did this video I was a lot more basic on the metrics I got and little embarrassed of it now. Refined my process a lot for more recent videos to include some more information and better testing suite. There's not enough people around doing thorough VR benchmarks and wish we had some more! it's one of the places where the high end GPUs really matter. Even just going from something like 90FPS with dips to 70s to basically locked 90FPS feels soooo much better than you'd think it would in VR vs flatscreen.
I just got my 4090, waiting for my g2 tomorrow. Can't wait!
You shouldn't be disappointed! The 4090 can probably max out almost everything on the G2 from all I've seen with it. Even MSFS it should do amazing with if using DLSS and/or Foveated Rendering based onthe results I've seen from some other people. The thing's such a powerful GPU.
3 issues:
how hot is your room now though?
how empty is your bank account now?
have you got a fire extinguisher present?
jk, thanks for the video, very useful and informative.
1: I'll just say it's a good thing I have such a huge fan going all the time
2: Living off bread and water for a while seems like a good idea right about now
3: I'm so prepared I have TWO of them in my room. If my PC goes up in flames, at least I won't too! But a fire extinguisher can't put out the crippling depression that'll follow.
Picking up mine tomorrow or after tomorrow hopefully ,with a 1000w atx 3 psu and a vertical mount, costs a testicle, all I need now is the 12k pimax to upgrade
Did you upgrade your rig since then? Your stutters are not because of gpu. It’s cpu/memory related
HOLY FUCK
Thanks for the in-depth analysis! Not sure if you mentioned, but what resolution are you running the games at? It would be helpful to put that in the description with the other specs.
I did, about 46 seconds in. 4920x3160 per eye. Except for the benchmarks 10:28-11:55, where I did note the res too. I'll put em in the description though, good point!
@@Omniwhatever Ahh unlucky, I skipped to 1:46 and started watching from there on! My apologies. Thanks for update though!
I have a 3080ti and I was not impressed from the jump from 2080ti in VR I normally only get ti cards and I kind of won't to wait for the next ti but this 4090 is dam tempting. . This is the best benchmark vid dode keep it up and I'm digging the incognito look
Can you uncap the 90 frames on VR? ive seen a lot of games put caps on performance like war thunder for example were you cant go past 110
You can't go past your HMD's refresh rate. So if you have one which supports above 90hz, sure. But if you don't, like I did in this video, then no.
In VR, latency is a big deal so you can't pre-render/buffer a bunch of frames and go well above your FPSCap.
First vid I’ve seen on VR perf for 4090. Give this guy a sub.
VR is a great escape, which is good as this guy looks like he's in Prison....
You need to spent less on vr and a gpu and more on your living situation.
how did you get surv1v3 to open overlays? whenever i launch the game no overlays launch. not even fpsvr
Are you running on an Quest 2 with OpenXR runtime set to Oculus? In that case, you're running off the Oculus runtime instead of SteamVR, and so you won't be able to use any SteamVR features, which FPSVR runs off of to function.
Using the right openXR runtime nets you an additional 10-20% performance, from what I've seen people say and some of my personal testing.
so this is the voice behind those posts 😆 you should thing about getting more coverd or masked 😅👊i do understand you, but it gave me a laugh
Haha yeah, I've gotten that comment a few times about the outfit! I didn't wanna show my face, so I had the thought of why not do any webcam stuff in VR for fun and it kind of just snowballed into the get up. Definitely does its job of being eye catching!
@@Omniwhatever bank robber style 😂
The 4090 is pricey , but it’s an unrivaled monster
I am gonna wait till the prices drop to fair levels, but a 4090 for VR will be awesome. I am currently running a 3080, which is already pretty well for most games but, but with a 4090 I could really turn up the resolution. Already switched from an 5800x to an 5800x3d and most games run FAR better now.
Just keeping uploading. You will be top VR youtuber soon.
Thanks! Appreciate the confidence. Gonna try to upload more. Took a bit of a break since I was waiting for new stuff to arrive, like the Kat Walk and 4090, before jumping back in.
也就不到30帧的提升，果然是功耗和性能挂钩
for 4090 you need i9 13900k or r9 7900x 😉
With the quest i can, i get 120 fps with the quest max resolution on a 4090 on re7 with no rt, but with a high fov, is it possible, or do i have to settle 90 fps
Also, is there any difference between a high fov and normal fov on re7? Please give me an answer I am gonna buy a pc with a 4090 I just wanna know
It's not that simple. FoV is part of what'll effect your graphics load but the resolution matters too. If you ran the exact same resolution as the Quest 3 but somebody stretched the FoV way out, you wouldn't notice a significant performance different most likely.
But you can't do that, you'd need to get another headset which supports that wide FoV.
@@Omniwhateverthanks
love your enthusiasm
I am building a PC with 4090 as the final tech but I can get in January for decent money (around 1.6k dollars). At the moment I can get 3090 or 3090ti for around 1k or a bit less. I mostly want to play ACC or something similar if ACC is not playable. 3090 could grt before Christmas. I will use Pimax 8akx. What do you think? Should I waste my time with 3090 or go straight to 4090? I could resell 3090 for the same price I guess
I've heard ACC is extremely, extremely poorly optimized for VR and the original AC plays much better. As for what I think, well depends a bit. Firstly, I really doubt you will be able to resell the 3090 for 1k by January. The 4080 will be out and AMD 7900XTX, which looks a lot stronger in rasterization than the 3090, will be out for 1k USD, and looks like it'll match the 3090 in ray tracing.
Maybe wait and see what the 7900XTX offers. The Pimax 8k X IS currently incompatible with AMD GPUs, however perhaps it'll change with the next generation. If you won't be getting the GPU until close to Christmay though, why not just wait? Or wait and see what the market shapes up to be. If you're not in the best financial situation and you cop a 3090 TI for 900 or less, could be a decent buy. Or perhaps the 7900XTX will come in swinging. Then reassess the market conditions after it launches in December.
@@Omniwhatever you play VR a lot? Why that black costume?
@@mike_33gt I do! Probably what I play most, moreso than flatscreen mostly.
As for the outfit. Initially, I didn't feel like showing my face or myself much on camera. So, thought I'd just wear some black pants and shirt, but I didn't actually have a black shirt at the time, but what I did have was that outfit and the balaclava left over from a Darth Revan outfit. That, coupled with thinking about doing webcam stuff in VR to get around showing my face just then kind of snowballed into using it as sort of a look, because felt like it stood out fairly well and went well with my headset.
@@Omniwhatever that actually looks good! Grey walls and background would compliment the black outfit. If you don’t need wooden shelves behind you I would get rid of them as well, so that all is in harmony on YT!
@@Omniwhatever you have very good voice for YT!
Finally a review that makes sense. Reviewers benchmarking the 4090 at 1440p gtfo. VR is the ONLY use case that justifies buying that overpriced brick. Then again, I have an Index and the rtx 7900xtx will get me 90% of that performance for 60% of the price so I am finally switching to team red. But amd will likely release a 6950xt next year, which should surpass the 4090 and still be cheaper. So I'm likely upgrading when that drops. While ok for 4k,my 3080 hasn't exactly blown my mind in VR.
Now if only there was a decent oled VR headset to upgrade to from my index...
Sad VRCHAT was not tested. It's by far the most played VR game, but so often overlooked.
The thing about VRChat is that it's really hard to do a proper comparative benchmark due to the nature of it and user created content. At least in what I'd say feels like a "real world" use case. Sure, I COULD go to a completely empty, graphically demanding world... But that wouldn't be too reflective of how most people play the game, would it? And I sure won't be finding identical lobbies of 10+ people I can use to compare the two cards.
THAT SAID, I did play a little bit with it. At Normal FoV in a bit more demanding world with at least 20+ people, forgot exactly how many though, and maxed settings with mirror resolution set to unlimited and no MSAA, I was getting a pretty reasonable and fairly stable 60FPS+. So the 4090 definitely puts in some impressive world. The VRAM alone can be a lifesaver.
VRChat is heavily CPU limited. Some instances really benefit from the 24 GB VRAM, but GPU utilization is low. 3090 is already overkill for VRC.
@@Errorvator CPU's a big deal for VRChat, but I've definitely noticed some performance improvements from the 3090 TI in it. Though, that's just kind of going on feel right now and sometimes checking the ingame FPS counter.
@@Omniwhatever If you need the same people to stay in a lobby with same avatars ' I'd try my best to be available.
Other options would be loading avatars into your own world or creating some accounts and letting them run on vms.
Saying that, it is more challenging to test then other games.
question for ya. So I've been testing framerates in various games with my setup for VR. However, my gpu usage is always stuck around 60%. It doesn't ever get to 98% like your does here. Thermal throttling is definitely not the issue, as my temps stay within the limits. any ideas?
That most likely indicates are you CPU bottlenecked, assuming you're not reaching your FPS cap that is. If you check my other RTX 4090 10 VR game benchmark video, there's a few times where I was CPU bound and you can see my GPU utilization drops to sometimes as low as almost 50% despite being below 60FPS. This happens, most notably, in the first VRChat world I showed off.
Now, if you're reaching the FPS cap of your HMD, then that's just a case of your GPU doesn't have to work hard enough to be maxed out.
sheesh man, I been playing VR on my 1660! I only play sim racing (assetto corsa) and sometimes f1 2022, I bought myself a 3070 thinking, man now I have some headroom for at least a year or so! damn I was so wrong, the jump from a 1660 was quite noticable on gpu usage and textures, but for someone using a quest 2 like me, textures and details dont make much difference, I can ramp up just a tiny bit more the res of the quest 2 to like 2500 by 2100p per eye, I originally got this 3070 a few weeks ago just to eliminate the stutters on assetto corsa so I play online with peace of mind, but quickly realized that for playing f1 2022 I would need even more pawah,.. It would be a never ending story for me, since I dont plan to spend over 800usd for a card my best bet its second hand, I will have to wait until next year either the 3090 would be crazy cheap or I get rich to the point I dont care to throw 2000 bucks, since also the gpu sweet spot regarding price its around the 3070/80 (price wise) it feels so bad to spend significantly more for just a tiny bit extra performance
Nvidia has created a marvel. I just got mine and the beast is in the box waiting for a psu to chain it
I have a 4090 but in my old computer CPU is a 6700k, waiting for 7800x3d review before upgrading the rest of the computer. But I now have drops to 60fps on quest 2 in half-life alyx all the time no mater what resolution scaling and minimum graphics settings in the game. Latest driver with everything. Dont know if the 4090 is worthless in VR using an old cpu or if there are other software-related problems. I have spent two weekends tinkering around with setting with no results, no matter the settings the framerate will not be stable at 120. Will stop playing VR for a month and a half until I put the 4090 in a brand new computer, hope it will be able to play HL alyx and Saints and sinners with stable fps in any graphical settings at all with the quest 2 then at least..
Your CPU is absolutely holding you back there very badly. CPU is less important in most VR games, but if you got a really old one, like that, it'll still kneecap a GPU that strong.
Awesome 😄
I have an i9 with a 3050 would it run good?
"i9" means nothing without knowing the generation. An i9-9900k is very different from, say, an i9-13900k. They're an ocean of performance apart.
A 3050 is also rather weak in general for VR of almost any kind that's not on old and low resolution HMDs.
😆wow
the test rig today is EVGA... rip... with the bla bla bla mobo ... xD hahahaha
Can you try modded skyrim vr?
I've tried many, many times to get Skyrim configured in a way that's made me happy, but never been able to make it workout and even when I did get some stuff working, I still had some trouble getting into it due to my preference for melee and melee is still kind of jank in it even with the mods. I may give it another go someday.
th-cam.com/video/CQhahE28Jgo/w-d-xo.html
However, this guy here has posted 2 videos which are a great showcase of Skyrim in the meantime, with heavy mods on stuff like 8k textures and ENBs, which may be what you're looking for!
Is it just me or visually does it look like there is no difference? I understand the numbers say differently but I really can't tell with my eye. Not a hater, just conflicted between buying a 3090Ti and a 4090.
That's kind of the point in most of the comparisons? Generally, I dialed up settings to the max for my comparisons and only turned them up if I had headroom(Like in Guildford Castle with FSR) and was limited by my refresh rate, if I even still had options to turn up. The point being to illustrate the difference when it's most likely to be GPU bound and how much further you can push the 4090 on the same settings than the 3090 TI.
It wouldn't really be a fair or like for like comparison if I used different settings each time.
If you're talking about the raw frame rate and that feeling different, that's not going to show up terribly well in the video. Go play anything capped at 30FPS and then 60 or higher even on flatscreen, you'll notice it though. ESPECIALLY in VR.
Desktop Gamers don't know what VR Gamers sufferings are, a 3060 would be good enough for desktop, 4090 is bare minimum for us.
Desktop gamers at 4K also need a 4090 for some good fps.
Ugh ur just a extension to a desktop lol
answer me something friend. I want to buy a 4090 so I can play vr with my pico4. My current monitor is only fhd, I intend to buy another monitor, in this case a 4k 144hz to be able to take full advantage of the capacity of the 4090. Can you tell me if the monitor I'm using also makes a difference to play on the headset? If for me to have better resolution I really need a 4k 144hz monitor or because I play on the headset is this not necessary?
What your monitor's resolution is has zero impact on your headset. They're completely different and it won't matter if you have a 4k, 1440p, or 1080p monitor for VR.
6090再换显卡吧，4090提升太小
No TUF product is a messiah... It's middling.
Я правильно понял что длсс 3.0 недоступен не для одной игры что здесь были показаны?
Nice video keep it up! Just bought a 4090 mostly to play the Resident Evil series but my 4090 (msi ventus OC) in R.E.7 cant handle 70-90 fps with FSR and large FOV at 1.0 render quality in PiTool, more like 45fps. i have to decrease render to 0.75 to hit 90fps. Maybe something i missed?
What's your CPU? I wouldn't think it'd have a big impact, but you could potentially be holding your 4090 back if your CPU is on the weaker end.
Is there ANY chance you could do the same with the 4070ti?
No, sorry. Cannot buy a bunch of cards for the sole purpose of benchmarking.
只有25%的提升
功耗等于性能
2年20帧
8kx resolution was very disappointing to me and sold it quickly. Also own the Artisan which upsampled was just close to the 8kx in my experience. Better wait for newer headsets.
I had the 5k super and the 8kx is a complete different level in sharpness
@@nuosimulation3421 artisan has a lower fov (still huge) so (relatively) more pixels per degree.
Yeah, such a resolution would call for very crystal clear optics, which I guess that HMD failed to deliver.
Bro needs to spend more money on his crib then spending on new gpus
I wanna se this 4090 on vrchat ultra settings and. ALL the avatars non blocked
While it ain't any kind of formalized testing, did briefly go into a public world with it at normal FoV with a friend that was decently heavy and had at least 15+ people, maybe 20, and I was still getting a fairly solid 60ish. VRChat's still VRChat with unoptimized user content, but I'd largely say you don't need safety settings with the 4090.
Still gonna block the avatars which take a whole gig of VRAM and have 100 physbones though
@@Omniwhatever omg im getting that 4090 next year for sure then ty!
Is there lot of RTX support for vr games? I thought there is no support for vr
No, not really. The RE games really only have it because they're flatscreen games ported to VR via modding. I think the amount of VR games with raytracing could be counted on one hand.
@@Omniwhatever at least we got FSR mod so we are good
60 fps games are unplayable?
In VR? The standard is more 90hz, not 60. It's not unplayable, but as I said I wouldn't consider it all THAT playable. Especially considering they'll be a lot more happening during live gameplay in something like Project Wingman. Believe me, 60 to 90 makes a very, very big difference in VR.
What's FSR?
It stands for Fidelity Super Resolution. Know how DLSS upscales the game from a lower resolution to save performance? Think something like that, though they have their own differences and DLSS is largely more advanced.
It's a popular mod to use in VR because VR is extremely performance intensive and needs every bit of performance it can get. It usually entails a small hit to visual performance, but as you can see in the video it often leads to MASSIVE gains well worth the trade off.
@@Omniwhatever thanks man
You forgot to test VRChat 😢
Plan to take a look at it, and some other games perhaps, in another video! Won't be a performance comparison though, just sort of a general showcase of the 4090 in it.
Bruh I hated the pimax
Sorry to hear that. It's definittely not for everyone and Pimax needs to sort out their QC. I've had basically no issues with mine and it's my favorite HMD out of the 8 I have tried.
Reverb G2 low res? How come?
I didn't say it was low res, but that it's lowER resolution. And compared to the 8k X, which I was benchmarking, it is quite a bit lower. The 8k X has, before barrel distortion, 3840x2160 per eye vs the Reverb G2's 2160x2160 per eye, which is a biiiiiiig per eye difference. After barrel distortion, the G2's res is something like 3.1k x 3.1k, where the 8k X is like 5k x 3.1k. Normal FoV on the 8k X is a bit closer, around 3.9k x 3.1k, but is only moderately higher.
Like I said, the 4090 will absolutely still be put to good use on the G2, but upgrading may not feel like as pressing a need, depending on what you play, if you're already on a 3090 or 3090 TI.
@@Omniwhatever i wanted to build a PC for vr. But for simracing only. Lots of people rec g2 as 8k is a „hassle to set up”. I could get 4090 but in three months for 1700 usd or 3090ti for 800 in two weeks and start playing already… Maybe I could build pc with 3090ti with intention to use it with 4090?
@@mike_33gt Honestly, I think some of Pimax's problems are a bit exaggerated, but they are NOT for first timers in VR or those who are not willing to spend a good chunk of time troubleshooting and dialing things in. There's a lot of jank or lacking polish in places. When you get it set up and it works, it's great, but it can be hell for some people to get it working. My experience has been largely positive, I've had no problems in my year and a half of using my 8k X and it was a very easy set up, save for one issue that lasted a single day, but there are plenty of people who have lots of problem with Pimax and so I'm hesitant to recommend them outside of a certain type of people.
The FoV, for sim racing though, is pretty huge, gives you a massive sense of speed you don't otherwise get. I know a guy who has a Pimax and does a lot of Assetto Corsa, he loves it after using stuff like the Index and Quest 2. My 8k X is also my personal favorite out of the 8 HMDs I have tried.
I also must mention the 3090 TI has a known issue with several VR Headsets where it doesn't work with them, and that includes Pimax HMDs and I think the Reverb G2. You need a specific kind of DP extender to fix it, the Pimax one is quite expensive(LINDY 8k 1.4 extender) but I don't know if you need the same one for the G2. But you may need to add a chunk of extra money if you plan on getting the G2 or a Pimax HMD.
I am assuming you are running the 8K-X at PiTool Render Setting of 1 ???
Have you tried 1.75 or 2.0 with SteamVR Render at 50%?
Curious.
Meanwhile, back to my 2080 - long face / LOL.
Yes, it was at render setting of 1 and SteamVR 100%. Why would I do PiTool 1.75/2.0 and SteamVR 50%? If I set the SteamVR resolution slider to the same as what PiTool 1.75 to 2.0 brings me, it'll give me the same results as setting it that way in PiTool.
@@Omniwhatever Better tweaks at higher than 1 on the PiTool render setting. Larger sweat spot visually as well the higher you go even when SteamVR is dialled down to under 100%
Just the way the PiMax cookie crumbles. 🥳
@@pierrebroccoli.9396 That's not been what I've noticed whenever I've used higher PT render quality and that's not how the resolution scaling/barrel distortion works. PiTool's a much easier one click supersampling thing due to the presets, but if you adjust the SSing in SteamVR to the same as you get from PiTool, the results will be the same.
@@Omniwhatever I stick to simple fractions with SteamVR of my PiTool setting. i.e. SteamVR settings of 25% / 50% or 100%
I find larger sweet spot with PiTool 1.75 and SteamVR 25% then I do at PiTool 1 and SteamVR 100% or PiTool 1.25 / SteamVR 50%.
Has been stipulated by Kevin from Pimax that better visuals at higher PiTool settings. Anyway, just my experience as a flight sim nut who's been with PiMax VR since the 8K kick starter.
You have some good VR crunching equipment. Enjoy.👍
Overkill is when you have $5k rig but live in a murder house.....
Why would someone puts that hideous thing on their head willingly???
pls someone can help me with a problem?!!! i buy an rx6950xt and have 3 power connection 2 with 8 pins one with 6 pins! now my power supply is 1000w ! but for some reaon i lost the cable to connect the gpu to power supply! right now i don t have a clue what cables to order and wich part of the psu connection to plug in! i try with 3 individuals cables and dosen t work!!
Going by what I see in this video this man spends all his money on gaming and non for making his room hospitable
Look, you guys just chew and deficate these new cards in days. You'll be spending $3k on the 5090 before 2022 is over...
Couldn't help but wonder what went on with the wall by the top corner of the bed.