the Day AFI DIED: Horror Punk Hardcore kids turned Cure Cosplay Artists
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the Day AFI DIED: Horror Punk Hardcore kids turned Cure Cosplay Artists
AFI is an American rock band from Ukiah, California, formed in 1991. Since 1998, it consists of lead vocalist Davey Havok, drummer and backing vocalist Adam Carson, bassist, backing vocalist and keyboardist Hunter Burgan, and guitarist, backing vocalist and keyboardist Jade Puget.
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@@strictdrugregiment Oh your his dealer. Makes sense. The coke and meth hit him hard.
@@Afireinside912 naw I hate Dan now after he s..t talked jello biafra
I'm not buying what Davey's been selling for over 20 years. And the thing is...I can prove it.
Correction: Sing the Sorrow was their major label debut as Dexter let them out of their deal with Nitro early sighting they had out grown Nitros resources. STS was released on DreamWorks records a subsidiary of Geffen/Universal.
STS was their pinnacle. Jades best guitar work
So, Sing the Sorrow was the diagnosis then?
I was 19 when it came out.
To me, it was previous obvious to see where AFI was trying to go with this album, in a commercial sense. The sound itself was very commercial and had lost some of their grit, even though it was heavy & dark. But, the songs were undeniably good and so I grew to really like it at the time. It's true that it elegantly bridged that gap between horror punk & screamo / mall emo (The Used, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, even Thrice) while still sounding like they were maturing.
I remember hearing that Davey had some vocal cord issues and his voice had to adapt to that. Don't know if that's even true now.
That makes more sense because I remember it being closer to 2001 when I watched their first video on MTV. I was somewhat in disbelief that these emo vampires were the same band I used to listen to but sure enough their name popped up again at the end. The sound by that point was already enough for me to check out.
Nitro was still involved with STS.
@@crypticreality8484 Black Sails
1. Answer That and Stay Fashionable - 5/10 (eh skateboards)
2. Very Proud of Ya 5/10 (eh more skateboards)
3. Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes - 7/10 (A Single Second, Third Season)
4. Black Sails in the Sunset - 10/10 (The best ever)
5. The Art of Drowning - 9/10 (coolest album)
6. Sing the Sorrow - 10/10 (no wait, this is the best album)
7. DECEMBERUNDERGROUND - 7/10 (death to Miss Murder, everything else is great)
8. Crash Love - 8/10 (grooviest album)
9. Burials 9/10 (dark, depressing, and demented. love it)
10. The Blood Album - 9/10 (chills)
11. Bodies - 7/10 (Dulceria is a mfing masterpiece.)
You are outside your mind.
Perfect scores!
I saw AFI on there very proud of you tour. I was 17 or 16 and I was able to work the door at the show. They were not that big of a band. Really nice dudes though. I walked with the singer when they first arrive down to this gas station right around the corner from the club and we found this inflatable guitar. Like a kid's toy. And we kept writing "riffs" on it. It makes no sense but we were cracking up. and right they went on he ran up to me and grabed the inflatable guitar out of my hands and played most of the set with it 😂
I still say Black sails in the sunset was their best work. The art of drowning was still amazing. After that no album had every song feel amazing
Great video, dude! AFI are one of my all-time favorite bands, and I got into them in 2000 after a classmate and his friends performed The Days of the Phoenix at our high school talent show. I saw them at Warped Tour in Pontiac, Michigan in 2001, and met Hunter, as well as saw Davey roaming in the crowd before their set.
I couldn't disagree more with you about Decemberunderground, though. This album SLAYS, in my opinion! I bought it release day, and fell in love with it. Banger after banger characterizes this album for me. My least favorites are The Interview and Kiss And Control, but from Prelude 12/21 to Endlessly, She Said are all fantastic songs! Kill Caustic, Miss Murder, Summer Shudder, Love Like Winter, Affliction, The Missing Frame, The Killing Lights, 37mm, and Endlessly, She Said are certified classics!
Crash Love was that point for me back in 2009, however, and to date, is the only AFI album I ever got rid of when I gave it to my brother in law.
I would stop listening to AFI's new stuff until 2020, when I decided to shuffle their stuff on the Alexa in the hotel lobby where I work. I happened upon 17 Crimes, Greater Than '84, Hidden Knives, Still A Stranger, and Wild, and I loved them! I went on to re-purchase Crash Love, then bought Burials, Blood Album, and The Missing Man EP, and when it came out in 2021, my wife bought me Bodies for Christmas. I haven't listened to Bodies much, but I played the others repeatedly, and absolutely loved them all. AFI are very much alive, but their life paths took them in this direction, and I just accept it. They are still making the music they want to make, and this is what they sound like now :D
Sing the Sorrow wasn’t on Nitro - it was on Dreamworks and it was their major label debut
I fkn love every album. The song Medicate on Crash Love has a solo that will melt your face off. I think they've reinvented themselves really well without losing that raw, honest, punk sound that we love them for.
Love AFI, from beginning to end and beyond. All my favorite artists are big on evolving and not staying stagnant and "safe".
Same. I didn't get into them until Sung the Sorrow, but I went down the rabbit hole and been hooked ever since. Every time I put them on, it always feels like magic. ❤
Well put. Creative people should never sacrifice their creativity to passing the masses. A true artist like Davey and Jade have proven EVERYTHING they put out is well done. I'm happy to always have their art to look forward to. Pretending the pre Jade punk sound is the "best" AFI.
U must love Gary numan
I think this past weekend’s concert at the Forum proves AFI is far from dead. They are still THE best band out there and I love how they change and evolve! AFI can do NO wrong.
They played their largest arena show to date and played 13 songs. That show was a complete money grab. From the merch, to turn production to the show. Guess Bodies sold that poorly that they had to do what they said they never would.
I’m confused because this was an anniversary show of STS. So yes, they played the STS songs. No one was surprised by this and happily paid for tickets to see those songs played. Also, who doesn’t sell merch? You don’t HAVE to buy it. Don’t be ridiculous.
@@mavtastic they played 13 songs. At an arena headlining show. I have seen tons of concerts where bands played albums in full. And they always filled out with a second shorter set either before or after so they’re playing a full headliner set. Hell, I’ve seen bands play 2 records in a night and still played a second extra set. And the merch was 1.) wrong which is laughable and 2.) they announced it, like the “exclusive vinyl” that actually isn’t exclusive and was available on their site 2 days later. Like half of the rest of the merch.
At the end of the day it was a cash grab where the band did as minimally as they possibly had to to rake in a ton of money. I thankfully decided not to go or I would have been pissed. I saw all the videos though. It sounded great but it looked like Havok didn’t even want to be there. It was pretty cringy to watch
I’d have more respect for your opinion if you were there. I had a great time. That’s all that matters to me!
@@mavtastic there’s a sucker born every day. I personally don’t respect you but I’m glad you had a good time.
For me AFI never had a bad album. As a goth who's also a fan of punk, post-punk, hardcore, horror punk, and even emo, I have to say AFI is a perfect band for me. If I'm feeling in the mood for one of those genres or even a mix of each I can pick from one of their albums and have a great time!
Agreed. I think AFI is always on the money with style and sound. I find their albums grow on me over time they just get better
Sing the Sorrow was their peak, imo. Much more refined & melodic but still hard & true to their roots. December Underground broke my heart lol. Never gave anything after that a chance.
I started revisiting some of their newer stuff a couple years ago and it's better than I gave it credit for. 90% of it is still garbage though. 😭
DU has a couple of moments. Crash love I hated hated. It took me years to like it. I do now. I came to afi right when black sails was being released. I saw them live before I even heard a song by them. It changed my life. They are my favorite band of all time. I'm 39. And I think the blood album is amazing. It's my favorite record since black sails/aod/sts.
Sounds like the experience I had with AoD back in 2000. I heard Ever and a Day on the radio in an art store and tracked down the employee playing it to find out who it was. Way before SoundHound was a thing lol
Crash Love is the grower of the discography. I also really grew to love that one. It’s so different from everything else they did.
I love the blood album too, idk how some people think it's mid. I personally LOVED (and still do) Burials.
1998’s AFI EP is actually Mark’s last thing he did with them… One of their best EP’s
Maintaining a band must be a pain. It seems a huge part of their fanbase demands they just keep pumping out the same crap over and over. God forbid if they explore and experiment with new things. Personally, AFI never died for me. It's rare a band can change it's sound as much as they have and still pump out great music.
Greatest bands of all time!! Love all their albums, old and new. 🔥
I believe Sing the Sorrow was put out by both Dreamworks and Nitro, with Dreamworks doing the major distribution and Nitro only being attached to it because they were contractually owed another album by AFI. Nitro then put out an AFI compilation album around that same time without their consent from what I heard in an interview with Hunter, which left that relationship on not-so-great terms.
Dunno if I woulda found the earlier stuff without it.
A good friend who kinda showed me some good local metal, and admittedly, at the time. “Screamo” or what not had told me
“Oh. AFI is my favorite band..”
I’m thinking Sing the sorrow..but nah. He played me Black Sails, and Answer that…
I completely would have never known granted the path they’d gone after STS.
So glad I heard it tho, those first couple albums are still unique in a flood of angsty kids who heard a minor threat album back then. Hahah
Typed a whole long comment, then scrolled down to see you wrote basically exactly the same thing, Sing the Sorrow's whole vibe was major label for sure.. I didn't listen to it for a few years because i was 19 and thought i was too cool for it... I turn 39 in January..we all make mistakes when we are young..
@@virtue696 That's the thing about signing with a major label- you have to put a couple of songs on the album that will make for good videos and radio play. Those songs are great- don't get me wrong, but the deep cuts are still true to the band's original sound.
nitro actually put out the best of on cd and the picture disc vinyl and another without their consent titled afi a history I have it signed by all the guys and davey had never even seen it before i told him nitro released it and called them assholes lmao
Miss Murder was weird. I agree with your analysis as a kid that saw them two warped tours in a row 2001 & 2002. The Art of Drowning and STS were peak.
I wore a Son if Sam shirt which Davey signed as he held a black umbrella wearing a Death in June T-shirt.
They really exploded in popularity with The Art of Drowning.
It seems like a lot of youtubers forget that, or don't realize.
Everybody everywhere was into AFI after that. You didn't need to like hardcore.
Burials is a great album. Bodies has a bunch of great songs. Their last single "caught" is a great song. They are far from dead.
Trying to convince a hipster why AFI is good is like trying to convince a redneck why Coors Light is bad. It won’t happen.
Burials is a grossly underrated album.
Totally agree. It's fantastic. I love all the old AFI stuff and Burials is still one of my favorite albums ever.
@@captainmofongo584songs are good I just hate the production
@@captainmofongo584its more popular amongst the fandom then you think its literally most peoples 2nd fave after sts its like 6 on my list cause black sails is my fave then crash love then shut your mouth then art if drowning sts and burials
If I remember correctly sing the sorrow was distributed by a major labe ( DreamWorks) because when I went to go see them we had the local clear channel run radio station 93X van outside the club
DecemberUnderground was fucking legendary. Amazing record. They died when CRASH LOVE came out. BURIALS, BLOOD AND BODIES are MUCH better than crash
It's pretty funny because I would see Davey at 24hr fitness all the time and my best friend was in Nerve Agents. So I knew all those guys in Tiger Army and Swingin Utters and that whole rad scene. It was fucking rad as hell. I pretty much lost hope for AFI when they signed with Sony I think. They were all really nice guys and always super friendly. Man I didn't know how good it was until it was all gone. And if you have never heard the Nerve Agents you should! So fukn good!
The butterfly collection was life changing
Saw the Nerve Agents at Fireside Bowl once. They were solid. Loved the singer's voice and energy.
I Keep Screaming!
"Love Like Winter" was what got me into the band. I was let down with "Crash Love" but think it's a good album, as long as I don't compare it to their old stuff.
OMG the worst sell out song of afi is DU. I bet these newer fans wouldn't even know what they were like in the 90s. What a smack in the face to the hardcore fans who bleed with this band for years.
@@matturibe5256 the way I look at it, is December Underground, the album, was the first one I listened to, and it got me to go visit their older music. I listened to "Crash Love" again, and it's even worse than I remember. In the end, some likes a song or they don't.
@@DutchWestFilmsYa but like the poster said, afi died on DU. I absolutely agree and they never recovered. Let them make money but they sold out. Plain and simple. Ya if they were famous would you even listen to the punk and hardcore? I mean seriously. They gained a new cult following and left the hardcore and punks high and dry!
AFI lost their mojo when Davey stopped going "OH!"
So you're saying they never lost their mojo? Davey definitely hasn't stopped the "oh's" and the squeals. He actually started ramping them up more and more. In recent years, I watched several live shows where he was adding them into songs everywhere where he never used to. Some of the squealing became almost excessive and annoying. And the "oh" has been ever present.
Definitely getting me with the nostalgia as of late and I’m digging it
I know people hated the Hot Topic era….but their music still had really good lyrics and quality…the last few years they can’t really put a full album together, besides maybe 3 singles…AFI is still amazing though.
Ahh man. Yer comin for all my legendary status groups lately haha.
I remember buying an AFI shirt that said “East Bay Hardcore” when I was 13.
Having only heard Sing the Sorrow at the time…I was a little confused..but, being from Northern California, having not even known their Punk upbringing in areas I also grew up in.
As an adult, I respect this band, and Daveys vocals so much.
Will always support em, regardless of genre they may go to.
Legends.
I remember back in about 96 getting the compilation cd from Dexter Holland’s Nitro Records titled “GO AHEAD PUNK, MAKE MY DAY.” It had two AFI tracks on it, a buddy of mines band called MYOPIA got me into them, they styled their sound after early AFI. Instead of East Bay Hardcore they were South Side(Chicago) Hardcore. I dug some of the later stuff but it was that early stuff that was their best.
I believe they pressed this on vinyl for Record Store Day at some point this year.
3:24 No -- this album was a clear departure in terms of tempo experimentation (Third Season, Coin Return) and flat out weight of the recording. This is where they turned the corner from pure speed hardcore to a meatier sound with Andy Ernst who also engineered Black Sails. You can hear it in the records and you could feel the change in the live show energy which was completely bonkers at that point, closing every show with Coin Return. After this, the speed tapered off to maybe a track or two per record.
i dont mean to be the "actually" guy, but AFI had actually signed to Dreamworks to release Sing The Sorrow, after leaving Nitro post Art of Drowning. The Interscope thing is true for Decemberunderground, but a major label had released the album prior, as well.
AFI died with crash love for me. After I stopped caring about being "punk rock", December Underground became one of my favorite records. You're right lyrically it's kinda cringe but melodically it is brilliant. It's just an absolute joy to listen to and sing along with, there's so many uplifting fun melodies lol. I think the record is just hated by people that want to keep an image of being punk rock or something... I used to hate the record for that very reason. I just don't care anymore. I love DU.
Crash love though is where their musical writing talent just fell off a cliff, and although they've recovered somewhat with future albums, it's just significantly worse than anything DU and earlier and it's never been good enough for me to want to listen to it more than once. All bands lose it at some point, AFI had a very long winning streak.
My thoughts as well. Everything since Crash Love has been so boring/straightforward/lackluster/etc etc. Such a disappointment thinking how much I loved their albums before CL.
AFI's carrer has pretty much followed the same trajectory as David Bowie's. Every album or so they change their path. Sometimes it's for the better, sometimes, not so much. They do seem to be in a bit in a bit of a slump, but, I look forward to to hearing what comes next. My favorite era is Black Sails- Sing the Sorrow. Do I want to hear more of that? NO! I already have those albums! No artist has ever developed by pandering to a bunch of nostalgia mongering cases of arrested development. I do however hope they find their feet again and surprise me with something amazing.
Art of drowning was their last record with nitro. DreamWorks put out sing the sorrow and even more importantly its was produced by Butch vig and jerey fin. Cheers
Man, I’ve been thinking about this forever. I’ve been an AFI fan since day 1. I checked out after All Hallows. I couldn’t do it anymore. Actually Black Sails was as Emo Goth I was willing to go. I STILL listen to Very Proud of Ya!!
Black sails in the sunset and sing the sorrow are the best AFI albums of all time.
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Aww. I love Decemberunderground (except Miss Murder), but I knew that was going to be where you marked the turning point. I get it. For me it's Crash Love. I felt like there was something that didn't catch there. But yeah, Black Sails through Sing the Sorrow are their golden years and hands down their best albums. Great video!
Crash Love was amazing. Different but amazing in their own right. It's an album I gift people that don't listen to hard rock punk.... it's been a gateway drug for them.
Me too, crash love was just a completely different band at that point i didnt know what they were trying to do. Decemberundergound was the last we saw of classic AFI and their dark image
Sing the Sorrow is one of my favorite records of all time. When it came out, it was really hard to pin into a genre. Butch Vig did an amazing job.
STS is dear to my heart
Tbh DecemberUnderground is too
Sing The Sorrow was the "Sell Out". I remember it being a big deal at the time. I liked Decemberunderground, but Crash Love is where I dropped off.
Watching the Silver and Cold music video is where I departed. That shit was gross.
Black Sails/ Art of Drowning dropped at a point where skate punk was starting to sound pretty worn out, and it was such a fresh sound back then. Darker and heavyer but with almost no metal influence at all, I still havnt heard anything that I'd compare to what they were doing during that period. A couple albums later I couldnt even bring myself to wear an AFI shirt in public. At this point I just feel really bad for anyone who got Nephilim tatoo.
Art of Drowning was the last of AFI as most of us know as AFI. Even though Sing the Sorrow was the last AFI album I listened to. After that, I just couldn’t do it anymore.
Black Sails in the Sunset is by far my favorite AFI album
AFI shows were so good too. Davey is like 5’ and could do spin kicks like 8’ high and the energy!!! Loved when they opened with Through our Bleeding and the whole crowd would start that chant.
Answer that was originally on wingnut, a fire inside was on Adeline, and sing the sorrow was on DreamWorks, DreamWorks folded and they were moved to DGC, DGC was absorbed into interscope.
A high school friend got me into AFI around 2000. My first taste was The Art of Drowning, which was unlike anything I had heard before. Needless to say, I was an immediate fan, and this remains my favorite album. The sound, the themes- I love it all. After exploring all their previous material, I decided the Jade years were my favorite iteration, and as a budding guitarist, the guy provided a ton of inspiration. I’d say STS was their musical pinnacle, but there were definitely some good songs off the next couple albums. When Burials came out I was lost. The musical characteristics I had come to love were completely absent. There wasn’t a single song that inspired me to learn the guitar parts. The blood album was the same. Eventually I came to like some of the music off these two albums, but Bodies was the final nail in the coffin for me. I’ve sampled a bit of this album and I just can’t do it. They had a hell of a run, though.
Yeah, I remember hoping AFI would get back to their more punk sound after Decemberunderground, but I just got disappointed and never got back into them. They were the second biggest band to have an influence on me along with SOAD growing up into my teens.
Omg I absolutely agree with you on DU I could not believe it was afi. I stopped even getting psyched for a new afi album. They died once DU came out. Finally some old fan who gets it.
He who laughs last is a killer song
They played it the last time I saw them. At probably half the speed but still pretty cool
All I have to say is you’re 100% correct on all of it but I still love them and they are still some of my favorite songs ever written!
Just when I thought someone couldn’t have a worse take on AFI than the needle drop
u just outted yourself as a complete mark .
Thank for making a video about the band that got me into punk. Great Video!
AFI was the main soundtrack to my jr.high years. I'll always appreciate them getting me into the Misfits (my favorite band) through their ep covers. Their new style doesn't do it for me but I was still excited to see them open for the Misfits last weekend. They mostly played their later stuff I had hoped they'd play older stuff considering the band they were opening for. No Totalimmortal unfortunately.
This review sounds like a guy trapped in a genre he loves who thinks anyone developing past or around what he loves sucks. It becomes clear as he rants that his musical education has a stellar lack of basic technical knowledge. His lack of knowledge on their pre band history and lack of knowledge on their inspirations and affections makes this review not only wildly inaccurate towards the end, it just makes him sound like and entitled child who is just pissed they did stay hard core punk.
Look man, artists change and grow. Their whole career is about creating art they are proud of, not worrying about some whiny skater kid being pissed they're not the Godsmack of punk, recreating the same album 19 times.
1:26 Nope. That album was super distinct from anything else at the time, mostly because the gallop, break beats, wandering bass, and vocals. This record absolutely caught ears. Were you around back then? Who sounded similar?
I think Thrice evolved more from their roots than Afi
Generally agree with you here. AFI kicks ass 🤘
Bro AFI is very much alive....see them live and you will change your mind
I just saw them live last weekend and it was kind of sad honestly.
I unapologetically LOVE the Bodies album. I WANT artists to get old. I have no interest in Peter Pan punks. I loved them in real time back in the 90s too.
I love all the evolutions they’ve gone through. I never liked punk really and they were the band that I actually would give the time to listen to.
I love that bands all over the spectrum of scene music show in some ways how AFI influenced them. It is kind of sad to me that they’ve put so much effort to distance themselves from “the scene”. I think they were ahead of the curve in that regard. If they’d dropped just one more album that mixed the Sing the Sorrow/Decemberunderground vibes after Decemberunderground, I think they could have been in the position to drop a pop/rock record and reach the heights Fall Out Boy and PATD have. Crash Love’s timing and composition were a major letdown to me as a fan. Waiting 3 years after DU to hear Crash Love killed their momentum.
Same story with me. I haven't been thrilled with anything since DU.
You do realize that Davey had surgery on his throat between DU and CL to remove polyps and stymie the Barret's Esophagus that would've likely led to cancer, right? Listen to and/or watch some of the live performances just after DU was released and you'll notice that the man was struggling.
@@spacehead74 I never said Davey needed to scream more. Hunter, Jade, and Adam are all capable of screaming. The songwriting on Crash Love was not as good as DU, STS, or Art of Drowning. Waiting 3 years for it was a bummer. Burials was a big improvement in my opinion. Blood album was fine. And I’ve really enjoyed Bodies. Whether Davey screams or not isn’t the problem. The problem was Crash Love under delivering.
@@eatinglightning3144 The impression that I got from Crash Love was that they were heavily influenced by bands like Golden Earring and were trying to make an album with lyrics inspired by Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger, etc. It was far removed from their style, but the macabre themes of a crime spree suicide run was, in my opinion, right in line with the goth rock aesthetic.
Their goth rock sound with sing the sorrow was just so damn good... its the one sound I think they should have stuck with a bit longer. It was just too good to let go of so quick.
Nah, Decemberunderground is great. Could not get into Crash Love. They lost me for awhile at that point but I actually like some songs from Bodies. It kinda renewed my interest. Davey’s project with Son of Sam with the Samhain/Danzig guys is cool too.
March 11, 2003 in a Best Buy parking lot. This is when I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt that they didnt sell out; unfortunately I was wrong.
I was hanging on by a thread when Burials came out. It had a few good tracks. Absolutely love 17 Crimes. Blood Album was the first album I didn't buy a physical copy of. Bodies sounds like a jam session.
Am I the only AFI fan that has Black Sails in the Sunset and Bodies vinyls next to each other because I like everything they put out? Damn
To me, AFI died when Sing the Sorrow came out. Very Proud, Shut your Mouth and Black Sails are their best
Burials was okay, it’s the only full album I’ve been able to listen through since December underground. Art of Drowning always my favorite.
AFI was the most important band of my life, and I couldn’t agree more with everything that was said… I’ll never lose love for the brilliance that was, but damn. It hurts bro 😂
First saw them in 99, black sails tour with Danzig and Sam Hain. It was awesome. I stopped after they left Nitro. For real, they put on some amazing shows back then.
Sing the Sorrow and Black Sails are among my favorite albums of all time (I cringed when he called STS emo). I really tried to enjoy every album after that, and while I’d like individual songs, I agree - everything after felt soulless. Burials was a letdown - the intro sounded so much like a sequel to STS was coming, but come song two or three, yeah it was just vapid. I’ll always love this band but I haven’t enjoyed a release of theirs since 2003.
I actually like a decent bit of Decemberunderground but basically have ignored everything after it. I started listening to them in the late 90s, probably around 97-98. A compilation of my favorite songs of theirs has been all I've listened to in my car for about a month actually.
What really bums me out is when Davey had to change his singing on Sing the Sorrow. As far as I understand it was necessary otherwise he'd f up his vocal chords so I don't blame him obviously, it's just a bummer.
But yeah 1999-2000 era AFI is amazing. I mean I listen to Porphyria or Fall Children or Greetings and Goodbyes and like them more now than I did when I was younger. I'll listen to Porphyria and am like "gd that's a song" lol.
I don't mind that AFI gives nod to post-punk music with their newer material but I'm bias because I like post-punk music and I don't mind them paying nod to The Cure and Joy Division lol. But there's no question that their early Hardcore Punk/Horror Punk stuff is much more enjoyable imo. So many good songs from those days compared to now where I honestly only like a smaller handful. I miss when Davey would do his yells and shouts but I understand that he probably isn't able to do that much anymore in his older age so I can see why he forgoes it.
Without having watched the video yet, I will say that AFI do not have a bad release and I will die on that hill.
Yes, some are far better than others but, every style they've done, they've done well, and I'd happily listen to any of them.
Edit: I watched it and this guy is definitely going for that dollar store Finn McKenty type opinion.
Then in 1997, they wrote one of the best hardcore albums ever made.
Total Immortal is a masterpiece!
'shut your mouth and open your eyes' is a great album, no skips
Tbh the Dork EP *still* bangs hard
i really loved december underground. Davey had some great screams on there. crash love was okay and the blood album and bodies were terrible. i saw them in 2010 open for Green Day and Davey havok acted like a spoiled child for 30 minutes and it was literally the most i've ever been dissapointed in seeing a band for the first time.
i recant, Decemeberunderground pretty much sucks. theres like 3 good songs on there
Yo I love how you slipped in a jump the shark reference!!!
Very proud of you is when I started listening… even though I was a death metal fan back then. Being a small Ukiah band (3 towns north of where i grew up) I had to listen! Like the misfits they changed over the years. Although it’s like comparing ride the lightening compared to the black album, the difference is the new stuff ( unlike Metallica ) is awesome just different.
dont know why but you remind me of a young greg graffin. CM Punk got me into prime AFI!
I still LOVE AFI. They are my favorite band probably ever but i WISH they never put "crash love" out... Their albums before and AFTER Crash are amazing though.
This is such a true depiction. In my high school era (1996-2000) I was the most obsessed person with AFI from my school, fucking loved them so much. Working at the local skate park and blasting Black Sails when it came out brings many memories. This shit this last decade is miserable. I did purchase a ticket the other day to see them next year as an opener for 30 seconds to mars, and I'm just praying they play anything at all from the good old days. Fingers crossed.
I'm going to say something shocking. But Decemberunderground was their last good album. And I think I count Decemberunderground because of nostalgia. But their first two albums weren't that good lmao. So I'd say from Black Sails to Decemberunderground is amazing.
After that, I don't know I just couldn't get into it. Probably because I moved on. However I do find it odd that Davey's personality changed heavily. Davey back in the Black sails to Sing The Sorrow era seemed more down to earth and friendly, now Davey seems like a narcissistic douchebag.
Not shocking at all. I agree.
Couldn’t agree more. Davey’s pretense ate the band and made it awful. Good insight!
Damnit Dan! You always know how to lure me in with insatiable click bait wrapped in nostalgia. AFI was awesome in Denver November 2022
Just saw them for my 15th time a few weeks ago. They're still incredible live
I love to hear it.
They’re a great band.
A little jealous I haven’t seen em in 10yrs! Hahah
I saw them in St. Paul in November. Haven't seen them since 2004 and they were even better than I remembered.
Just listening to your passion about this band validates something that I've always felt about where they ended up. Unlike you, I didn't have the hope to keep returning to their newest records just in case. Even sing the sorrow for me signaled a changed in direction that wasn't really my deal. Which is perfectly fine, if something is good but I don't like it that's not really my place to say otherwise. December Underground made me think "ok the hardcore element is pretty dead". To this day and without even meaning to do it, every time I hear "The boy who destroyed the world" I always sing remember when remember when, remember when AFI used to be a really good band. I'll never forgot!
Love your videos, just started watching them. You nailed AFI. Your Liberal Animation take was spot on.
My opinion as an AFI fan and my experience is:I was introduced to them in middle school due to MTV on their release of Miss Murder. Instantly obsessed. After playing December Underground for an entire summer and getting into their punk stuff into highschool I went. Granted I'm sure I've heard songs from Sing the Sorrow on the radio since my aunt always had the rock stations on when she drove me to school and whatnot. The next album after December Underground though is where they lost my attention. I enjoyed Davey and Jade's side project though. Since then I've been more and more disconnected from the band. They're still freaking amazing and have immense talent and have really refined their craft but it's just not my style. Crash Love is where they lost me but to this day I will still say they're my favorite band because of their discography having so many styles and they're versatile plus their sound is unique.
I like December and Crash. After those two they hit the phase where with each album I like a couple songs and the rest can go. Black Sails will always be my number 1, though.
I remember being at a 97 AFI show and a kid got beat up for having Xs on his hand. Then I thought are they going to beat up Davey too? He's been xvx since the early 90s. Man the scene beef in the 90s is unmatched.
Your talent definitely overshadows theirs.
Agree with a lot of that. Black sails was peak AFI for me.
I love it all. I find listening to my favorite bands is like a marriage. We all grow and change. The lyrics are what speak truth. But also Davy wanted to throw miss murder away. Had many more songs he wanted for that album.
The second they made miss murder they died that song blows………way down hill from there!
Awful song
I see a lot of parallels with Metallica’s album arc…started heavy and fast, found they had a niche w more melody and ballads, peaked with the Black Album (which the old heads at the time thought was selling out, just like STS), then kinda flailed around trying to find something inspired as their core music style became passé. At least Davy and Adam didn’t kick Hunter out for no good reason lol
Still haven't been able to give Bodies a fair shake, everytime I've tried it just never catches my ear. There's gotta be something there.
Revisited them over the last few months and I can't pretend I wasn't impressed. I like a lot of their newer stuff I never gave a chance.
After their major record label debut sing the sorrow it was game over for me because I was a main fan of their all hallows eve ep and black sails in the sunset
Im just gonna say a few things. The first full length "ATASF" was mostly a compilation of their very early ep songs and songs they had played for years prior to it being released. Also Jade was in multiple bands in the same scene and did backing/gang vocals on prior albums before eventually joining the band. The were let go from Nitro by Dexter before STS as Dexter felt they had outgrown Nitro and should take the opportunity to partner with a major label. STS was so great and huge compared to earlier albums mainly due to Butch Vig's hand in producing. He is one of the greatest producers based on what he did with The Smashing Pumpkins and Nirvana as well as MANY other bands. Now you say "AFI died with DU." However consider this, Many songs were left over from STS or at least started in the writing process of it. So Maybe they couldnt fit or as some didnt fit the "theme" whatever the case they basically had the material there for them to use. It is not my favorite by any means but it was ok. However Crash Love, was complete trash. I couldnt listen to it, then or now. But I wouldnt say they were dead or even dead to me. Every band that lasts as long as them (sometimes not even) put out a "bad" album or two. Also in between STS and DU, Davey did a ton of other things. Same with the time between most of their albums since. They seem to stay active in other projects. I wouldnt say they are dead, though. And while the Cure influence is more prevalent they also incorporate other influences. Also if you enjoy the Sails and Art of Drowning era Check out Davey on the Son of Sam debut album Songs From The Earth.
I think I agree with most of your tastes but not necessarily your criticisms The last four albums are not my favorite flavor of AFI but for the genres they exist in, they are not bad albums. Coming off of DU and Blaq Audio they wanted to step away from the elements that made them unique and intentionally wrote a straightforward rock album on Crash Love. They’ve even spoken about it saying by that it wasn’t an innovative album for the industry but they had nothing like it in their discography so it was groundbreaking for them. It’s probably my least favorite album because nothing about it really stands out but it’s still a perfectly fine rock album.
The last three albums have all been goth rock, which is inherently a kindof dull and droning genre, and still they are all decent for what it is. I actually would say Burials was a pretty damn good goth rock album.
I think my biggest criticism is just that they have been sitting in the same goth rock space for three albums and I would expect for them to have moved on my now.
Ultimately, I seriously doubt anything in the future of their career is going to touch STS because it was such a robust emotional rebirth for the band. Like, you can tell Davey was GOING THROUGH IT at the time, and it ended up being such an influential album across the industry.
I’ll probably always regard “Days of the Phoenix” as the single best snapshot of AFI though. It’s right on the tipping point of everything the band was before and everything the band became after. You can really feel their whole discography in that one song.
AFI were great at every style of music they were playing
Decemberunderground aged very very well. At the time it came out I was wishy washy about it at first but grew to love it in its own way. If you know afi then you know they only do what they want to do, no one is making them be more radio friendly they simply grew older and made the music that they wanted to make.
The death of AFI is DU and they continued to suck ass every album after. Its hard for the real punks who grew up with this band and accept this sell out. But it is what it is.
@@matturibe5256 no one is making them be more radio friendly they simply grew older and made the music that they wanted to make. Hard Pill to swallow.
@@matturibe5256 Real punks don't just throw around infantile, high school hall terms like sellout, or refer to themselves as real punks.
@@lawrencemcstephens308Is that a fact?!! STfU move on kid.
@@matturibe5256 Funny! I'm willing to bet we're the same age, or close to it. I'm 40, by the way, so either way, I'm amused :D Unhinged at the drop of a pin tells me all I need to know about someone's credibility in formulating a cogent argument about anything ;)
Sing The Sorrow was their peak, but let’s be honest, most bands get shittier with time. 😅
Appreciate the video, I love the albums you love. I'll never say I hate anything they made, but they left me behind for sure. That's okay, I appreciate the great stuff they gave me.