@@DropkickNation Which is saying something because according to Wookieepedia one of Marr's officers shot himself with his blaster pistol after he asked Marr to remove his helmet. Nobody actually knows what Marr's face looks like, but if it's capable of traumatizing his subordinates beyond words, then I imagine few think very highly of Marr despite being a member of the dark council. I doubt anyone who criticized him ever lived.
@@M4A1BestGirl I was already wondering how he became so powerful. Marr was a great warrior, but he was never the most powerful Sith. While not being officially the Emporor, when he ordered something, the Dark Council followed.
Darth Marr best fucking Sith of all time. >Literally dies defending the Sith >Be a loyal member of the Dark council >Master of the Dark side >Still became one with the force anyway
He is a amazing Sith. one thing he hate is treachery and betrayal, which is what many Sith do to one another, He believes unity to each other is something Sith should do. If those ideas were put out to the Sith, the empire would probably had won the war. And as well as being a Dark Counsel member, many other members fear him and don't question his decisions. He also went out like a boss
Stuff like this is why i love Marr, pragmatic, reasonable and not stubborn like so many sith, hes able to look beyond hate, anger and selfish desires to find real solutions for protecting and advancing the empire. Badass even in death
Yeah if more Sith were like him, they actually stand a good chance of conquering the Republic. I believe Malgus is similar in a few ways. I mean. He is pragmatic, believes aliens should be added to their ranks, because they improve the Empire. Although Marr would have been a far better Emperor.
Other Force Ghosts: Listen, Marr, buddy... Guy... Normally after you become one with the force you usually appear without any armor or ma- Darth Marr: That's nice kid. Now stfu I am a badass.
*Darth Marr’s ghost appears in front of Theron. Theron: “Ahh! Darth Marr!? I’m going to get my father Malcom on the holo!” Darth Marr: “No, I am your father” *Theron looks to Satele. Theron: “Mother, what is he talking about?” *Satele puts her head down and walks out of the room.
Interesting how the Jedi Knight addresses Satele like they dont really know eachother. When he sees its her, he folds his arms in a dismissive way and says things like, "Jedi Master Satele Shan" like hes just heard stories about her, and "Thats pretty dark for a Jedi." Dude, shes basically a grandmother to you lol why are you talking to her like you dont know her?
Meh, I like to see it as them being ascended. This whole storyline is meant for us to ascend beyond light and dark. We needed to transcend beyond the limits of what a Jedi/Sith warrior can do and push beyond our previous limits and reach new levels of powers. We needed to rise above all we previously understood about the force and instead of trying to USE the force, we needed to be able to become ONE with it. That's how the force users on Zakuul were about to outmatch their light and dark adversaries, they weren't USING the force, the force and them were as one through devotion to the eternal throne.
@@Mediados Can't believe I wrote such a stupid thing. I consider indeed Darth Marr as a light Sith, he has a lot of ethics and good sense. But I've also learned that during his life he was so powerful that just seeing his face could kill you if you weren't strong enough so much he was in the dark side. But Force ghosts are always neither 100% dark or light, so probably like 80% dark and 20% light.
@@Julien-Limosino-87 That's a good percentage to describe him I think, it's how every Sith should be. But I don't think being so defaced that you shatter people's mind is really a power and more a disability XD
It sucks that Darth Marr is dead but at least he's force ghost like a Jedi (Sith Force ghost is quite different, they need to be attached to something or someone)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a force ghost exclusively for light sided being who are incredibly attuned to the force, and so rare that to see even 1 in a hundred year cycle is considered an anomaly?
My understanding is there's a separate light side force ghost (typically free to go anywhere they want) and a dark side force ghost (typically stuck to a specific location). Achieving it isn't about rarity, it's about mastering the technique, which isn't normally taught by anyone. The best example I can think of, though I think it's now Legends, is that Qui Gon Jin was so talented that he figured it out and then after dying came back as a force ghost to teach Yoda how to do it. I'm not sure if it was also Qui Gon or if it was Yoda who taught Obi Wan... no idea how Anakin learned it though.
Marr himself said that the Force has a will, an opinion so to speak. So I assume the Force itself decides who gets to become one with it and who doesn't. Marr was wiser than most Sith, he understood that the Light Side was just as important for understanding the Force than the Dark. That allowed him to become a ghost, most Sith stay completely in the Dark.
Very doubtful. For one thing, it's confirmed Marr is human while Visas was Miralukan (though interbreeding exists, so that kinda means nothing). But also, all of Visas' family was killed by Nihilus and she didn't have any kids we're aware of. As for Darth Marr's side, we know little of his past but we do know that he was born in the Empire and, like all the Dark Council, his sith name was different than his birth name. So "Marr" isn't his family name. I feel like it's a coincidence, brought on by the fact that marr is a cool-sounding syllable so it just happened to get used twice across the entirety of star wars.
Marr is one of the only Sith who devoted himself to the Dark Side, yet also saw the wisdom in the Light. It is why he was one of the best Dark Lords, but still managed to become one with the Force.
And only one with the brain Of course Malgus also have some rare perspectives to the Jedi (he buried worthy enemy in respected manner) being a Darth but Marr he would gladly make temporary alliances if 3rd party dare to attack both and threatening Galaxy
Wait, so Sith force ghost are a thing? I thought that was an ability that was exclusive to Jedi. And that it was an ability that was discovered by Master Yoda thousands of years after KotFE. Either my knowledge of Star Wars is lacking or there is some serious cannon issues with this game. (Still love it though.)
It’s likely that most Sith fail to do it because they are not pure with the Dark Side. Marr uses it for a purpose greater than himself, thus being “purer” than most Sith who only act for personal gain. The Force may have honored that
The difference is that most Sith hate the Light, and only accept the Dark Side. Marr was wiser than that, he knew that both the Dark and the Light Side are vital for understanding the Force. The acceptance of the Light was what allowed him to become one with the Force, even though he was a devoted Sith Lord.
Your knowledge is lacking . Sith can not become force ghost like jedi. Only phantoms and spectors trapped in their tombs, objects, or places where they died . However, there are exceptions. e.g. Mark Ragnos, who was so powerful in the dark side that his spirit could move like Jedi spirits or Darth Marr whose goal was something greater than himself, that is to defend the empire and its people .Thanks to this, he became the force ghost.
That's canon lore. Swtor is Legends lore, and Force Ghosts just "happen" for a variety of reasons just like real life ghosts (if you believe in them). Marr is just one of those "unfinished business" ghosts.
@@CrowderHatingConservative That has never been the case. The Light Side is the natural state of the Force; the Dark Side is a perversion of it. Balance in the Force means the removal of the Dark Side or those who use it.
There is something hilarious about the fact that it's Darth Marr who is the most open-minded of them all.
I guess that physical death makes one reflect on his live and mistakes.
Marr is maybe the most open and reasonable Sith ever.
@@DropkickNation Which is saying something because according to Wookieepedia one of Marr's officers shot himself with his blaster pistol after he asked Marr to remove his helmet.
Nobody actually knows what Marr's face looks like, but if it's capable of traumatizing his subordinates beyond words, then I imagine few think very highly of Marr despite being a member of the dark council.
I doubt anyone who criticized him ever lived.
@@M4A1BestGirl I was already wondering how he became so powerful. Marr was a great warrior, but he was never the most powerful Sith. While not being officially the Emporor, when he ordered something, the Dark Council followed.
The sith of old different you have to remember this is 1000 years
I love how Darth Marr gets concern that Satele hasn't offer a meal yet
Basically you have been invited to dinner with and by Darth Marr
Marr: "Bitch where's your courtesy? Offer the brother something to eat."
So, Satele Shan becomes a housewife now.
Married through the force
@@zephsuki damn Satele do be cheating when she exiled herself
I find it hilarious that Darth Marr told Satele to hurry up and offer the player food before we could see him
Please up the video quality to 8K60fps :)
Local man literally too angry to die.
András Agócs Undertakers hate him.
Local man literally too *loyal* to die
Local man achieves inner peace out of spite.
Local man literally too patriotic to die.
Darth Marr best fucking Sith of all time. >Literally dies defending the Sith >Be a loyal member of the Dark council >Master of the Dark side >Still became one with the force anyway
And worries about your health.
*and tells the Grand Master of the Jedi Order to hurry up and give you food
He is a amazing Sith. one thing he hate is treachery and betrayal, which is what many Sith do to one another, He believes unity to each other is something Sith should do. If those ideas were put out to the Sith, the empire would probably had won the war. And as well as being a Dark Counsel member, many other members fear him and don't question his decisions. He also went out like a boss
@@999madgamer Agreed. Sith in the rule of two constantly say treachery is the way of the Sith but nothing in their code states that.
@@calpone6399 It's not explicitly stated, but it is implied.
Stuff like this is why i love Marr, pragmatic, reasonable and not stubborn like so many sith, hes able to look beyond hate, anger and selfish desires to find real solutions for protecting and advancing the empire. Badass even in death
He must be eradicated
*He's
The one time he was stubborn and didn't go beyong hate was when he died, at Valkorion's hands.
He also doesn't fear death
Yeah if more Sith were like him, they actually stand a good chance of conquering the Republic.
I believe Malgus is similar in a few ways. I mean. He is pragmatic, believes aliens should be added to their ranks, because they improve the Empire. Although Marr would have been a far better Emperor.
I love how he is accusing Satele of falling to the Dark Side when Marr is standing next to her as a force ghost.
Like bruh it looks like you fell for the light side and for her
Other Force Ghosts: Listen, Marr, buddy... Guy... Normally after you become one with the force you usually appear without any armor or ma-
Darth Marr: That's nice kid. Now stfu I am a badass.
*Darth Marr’s ghost appears in front of Theron.
Theron: “Ahh! Darth Marr!? I’m going to get my father Malcom on the holo!”
Darth Marr: “No, I am your father”
*Theron looks to Satele.
Theron: “Mother, what is he talking about?”
*Satele puts her head down and walks out of the room.
This is perfection.
My goal remains the same : Defend the Empire.
Even in death, he still serves. Damn, I'd name a whole Planet after him.
MARRs ...
This is why he is my favorite Star Wars character. A Sith through and through, but the proof that the Dark Side is not evil per se.
The Marr system.
The only Sith who didn't got lost in the darkness. Oh wait there's also Kreia.
@@donpula6349 ...and almost succeed in ridding the galaxy from its blight.
Yeah but wasn't she driven mad though?
Darth Marr, a man behind armor and mask even in death. Did anyone ever know how his face look like?
an imperial once saw his face then committed suicide from the horror he saw
@@deathking1019 "committed suicide". Sounds like fancy paperwork talk if you ask me.
caffineandshiny okay let me say it in laments terms he blew his brains out
@@deathking1019 I know what you were saying lol, I was making a joke that Marr just claimed that was what happened.
caffineandshiny i know i was doing the same thing saying he blew his brains out
I suppose this is the closest we have ever gotten for a completely harmonius coexistence between the Jedi and the Sith in both canon and legends.
Interesting how the Jedi Knight addresses Satele like they dont really know eachother. When he sees its her, he folds his arms in a dismissive way and says things like, "Jedi Master Satele Shan" like hes just heard stories about her, and "Thats pretty dark for a Jedi." Dude, shes basically a grandmother to you lol why are you talking to her like you dont know her?
I found it weird even on my Sith because they fought together on Yavin 4 lol
@@WolfSpiritAD
Yeah! lol
@@WolfSpiritAD I mean there is a natural distance between a Jedi Master and a Sith Lord. So it made sense to remain formally respectful.
Hahahaha, the former grandmaster of the self righteous jedi order compromising with a sith lord, I just love it
Ghost Marr seeing the PC after five years: "get this boy a cup of tea and a biscuit. He looks like he needs it"
So Darth Marr is more like a Grey Jedi than a Sith? Same for Satele?
Meh, I like to see it as them being ascended.
This whole storyline is meant for us to ascend beyond light and dark. We needed to transcend beyond the limits of what a Jedi/Sith warrior can do and push beyond our previous limits and reach new levels of powers.
We needed to rise above all we previously understood about the force and instead of trying to USE the force, we needed to be able to become ONE with it. That's how the force users on Zakuul were about to outmatch their light and dark adversaries, they weren't USING the force, the force and them were as one through devotion to the eternal throne.
A Grey Sith, some might say
The proper word would be Light Sith. A Sith through and through in belief, but not consumed by the Dark.
@@Mediados Can't believe I wrote such a stupid thing. I consider indeed Darth Marr as a light Sith, he has a lot of ethics and good sense. But I've also learned that during his life he was so powerful that just seeing his face could kill you if you weren't strong enough so much he was in the dark side. But Force ghosts are always neither 100% dark or light, so probably like 80% dark and 20% light.
@@Julien-Limosino-87 That's a good percentage to describe him I think, it's how every Sith should be. But I don't think being so defaced that you shatter people's mind is really a power and more a disability XD
I sold the lightsaber lol.
I love the force theme playing in the background
I ship Marr and Satele.
Snake? Snake!? Snaaaaake!
MAD LAD !
Whats the responce from marr asking about his armor?
He says he wanted to remain looking what he did in his life-a symbol. (which is what he refers to his armor as well as so many other things)
@@scifiguy9000 I wonder if anyone did see his face for all those years.
@@mistilteinn4981 because he was jealous of how handsome Marr is:)
@@DaylightHK apparently someone by the name of Moff Xerxian did, according to the SWTOR encyclopedia. He resigned and committed suicide afterwards.
To forge the future, you must first break with the past! Wow from a bad ass Sith lord!
I ship them. Why the hell do I ship them ?
Marr is my favorite character in SWTOR.
Darth marr is a badass
man this force theme gave me chills
can we see this scene as sith inquisitor ?
Why they call him Valkorian (misspelling) instead of Vitiate, aren’t they the same character?
It sucks that Darth Marr is dead but at least he's force ghost like a Jedi (Sith Force ghost is quite different, they need to be attached to something or someone)
is this storyline only for Jedi Knights? or can any class play this expansion storyline
Lol darth Marr is Sam Healy from oitnb
Is this for Jedi Knight only? I'm on base Swtor but i might buy the expansions later
All classes get to play this chapter.
As dumb as it seems, all classes get to play this chapter. Imagine the Smuggler or Bounty Hunter being taught about the intricacies of the Force.
George Johnson that’s because valkorian while inside you he gives you the power over the force
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a force ghost exclusively for light sided being who are incredibly attuned to the force, and so rare that to see even 1 in a hundred year cycle is considered an anomaly?
My understanding is there's a separate light side force ghost (typically free to go anywhere they want) and a dark side force ghost (typically stuck to a specific location). Achieving it isn't about rarity, it's about mastering the technique, which isn't normally taught by anyone. The best example I can think of, though I think it's now Legends, is that Qui Gon Jin was so talented that he figured it out and then after dying came back as a force ghost to teach Yoda how to do it. I'm not sure if it was also Qui Gon or if it was Yoda who taught Obi Wan... no idea how Anakin learned it though.
Marr himself said that the Force has a will, an opinion so to speak. So I assume the Force itself decides who gets to become one with it and who doesn't. Marr was wiser than most Sith, he understood that the Light Side was just as important for understanding the Force than the Dark. That allowed him to become a ghost, most Sith stay completely in the Dark.
He is so badass the force gave him a pass
@@ericlanglois9194well...we learn World Between World is a thing.
Yes you would think but I mean the Jedi and the Sith of the old Republic Era were on another level.
Is Marr related in any way to Visas?
Very doubtful. For one thing, it's confirmed Marr is human while Visas was Miralukan (though interbreeding exists, so that kinda means nothing). But also, all of Visas' family was killed by Nihilus and she didn't have any kids we're aware of.
As for Darth Marr's side, we know little of his past but we do know that he was born in the Empire and, like all the Dark Council, his sith name was different than his birth name. So "Marr" isn't his family name.
I feel like it's a coincidence, brought on by the fact that marr is a cool-sounding syllable so it just happened to get used twice across the entirety of star wars.
So Satele went all Yoda then
Marr is one of the only Sith who devoted himself to the Dark Side, yet also saw the wisdom in the Light. It is why he was one of the best Dark Lords, but still managed to become one with the Force.
And only one with the brain
Of course Malgus also have some rare perspectives to the Jedi (he buried worthy enemy in respected manner) being a Darth but Marr he would gladly make temporary alliances if 3rd party dare to attack both and threatening Galaxy
3:46 Psycho Mantis?
Wait, so Sith force ghost are a thing? I thought that was an ability that was exclusive to Jedi. And that it was an ability that was discovered by Master Yoda thousands of years after KotFE. Either my knowledge of Star Wars is lacking or there is some serious cannon issues with this game. (Still love it though.)
It’s likely that most Sith fail to do it because they are not pure with the Dark Side. Marr uses it for a purpose greater than himself, thus being “purer” than most Sith who only act for personal gain. The Force may have honored that
The difference is that most Sith hate the Light, and only accept the Dark Side. Marr was wiser than that, he knew that both the Dark and the Light Side are vital for understanding the Force. The acceptance of the Light was what allowed him to become one with the Force, even though he was a devoted Sith Lord.
Your knowledge is lacking . Sith can not become force ghost like jedi. Only phantoms and spectors trapped in their tombs, objects, or places where they died . However, there are exceptions. e.g. Mark Ragnos, who was so powerful in the dark side that his spirit could move like Jedi spirits or Darth Marr whose goal was something greater than himself, that is to defend the empire and its people .Thanks to this, he became the force ghost.
That's canon lore. Swtor is Legends lore, and Force Ghosts just "happen" for a variety of reasons just like real life ghosts (if you believe in them). Marr is just one of those "unfinished business" ghosts.
There definitely are sith force ghosts. In fact that's a big part of the inquisitor story line
This scene is a bit funny when playing a female trooper, because Jennifer Hale provides the voice for both the female trooper and Satele.
I think Marr should have become a Jedi instead
Imagine satele shan training rey in the last jedi
Hahahahaha.... she would not survive....
Light and Dark can't exist in balance. The Dark Side will always seek to overcome that balance.
Sounds like Jedi propaganda.
@@CrowderHatingConservative Well, it's the truth.
@@grimlord3181 The light seeks conflict just as much as the dark. They are two sides of the same coin.
@@CrowderHatingConservative That has never been the case. The Light Side is the natural state of the Force; the Dark Side is a perversion of it. Balance in the Force means the removal of the Dark Side or those who use it.
@@grimlord3181 Like I said, Jedi propaganda. The light side and dark side are the balance.
they could have just given him the lightsaber and be done with him
Zabracks with hair🤢