Hearing that Donald Plesance was actually invested in Halloween 4, and knowing how well received Danielle Harris' performance was, just makes me love that movie even more.
The "Thorn Trilogy" was fine by me (well at least 4&6). The Trilogy would've worked better, had they gone with the twist of Part 4. Whomever approved Halloween 5, the way we got it, totally dropped the ball. The biggest problem I had with 6 was that they killed Jaime off.
I hate 5 so much i put resurrection above it. I know that most others say the opposite but 5 for me is borderline unwatchable. Great fbi torture device
I have not seen them since I binged them as a teen lol I remember Halloween 4 was really good and H20 didn't age well at all and it was only in Halloween 2018 (which was an above average film at best) that I realise it has always been about different timelines. This franchise as a whole is very inconsistent and the fact it constantly starts new timelines to erase previous installments and how some other franchises are replicating it (like Terminator) isn't really a good way to deal with the established canon to me, in fact it really hurts it.
I love Halloween 4. It was my first Halloween movie, and it was my "white noise" movie for many years. I'd pop my old Anchor Bay VHS into my VCR before I went to bed, and I'd wake in the morning to static on the TV. I had the saturation on my TV turned up a little high, and it always seemed to lend a supernatural glow to the orange text and autumn sky in the opening credits. I also love the Curse mask. It looks like it's made of stone or granite, as ancient, immovable, and indestructable as the evil that powers Michael. And yes, Howard Stern was approached to play Barry Simms, but he turned it down because he was busy working on the film adaptation of his book Private Parts.
I don't think so. I was born in 83 and a long as I can remember people were hyping Halloween 3 up as a hidden gem. It's not bad, but it's just am average mid-80s sci fi/horror film.
I feel like you could do one for the Nightmare on Elm Street 3-4-5 ‘the Dream Trilogy’ cause it is one underrated set of horror sequel films that flow incredibly well altogether and way better and more consistent than the Thorn trilogy. It’s a rare, actual proper horror trilogy as it has the consistency in story, quality and theme with each film. Rewatched Nightmare 3-4-5 back to back recently they genuinely have such good continuity and should be seen by more people especially 4 and 5, criminally underrated films. And I do know you open your videos with the iconic line from Part 4 and you seem to be a big fan of that film in particular, so I’m really putting this proposal on here, hope you don’t sleep on it ❤️
Dream Warriors (the best) and Dream Master are a good double feature. The drop-off from there is substantial. I have some nostalgic fondness for 5 but I could go the rest of my life without seeing it again.
John Carpenter’s filmography is a halloween anthology lol. Anthology franchises don’t work unless there are recurring characters or a bunch of shorts put into one movie. That’s why the tales from the crypt movies and the Cloverfield movies didn’t work while the conjuring universe does - the Warrens hold everything together and are basically involved in all of the spin-off demons. Anthologies also are breeding grounds for bad unmade scripts that get the franchise name slapped onto it. That’s what they did with the Hellraiser series. So we would have likely gotten one additional anthology movie and the franchise would have been dead.
Check out his lesser known movie from the 90's Body bags. It's set up sorta like Tales from the crypt, and he actually is the "host" sorta like the crypt keeper...it's a good movie
I’m in the fence I actually really liked the Thorn Cult…well two installments anyway: 4 and 5 were great despite some of the silly moments in 5 as well as Rachel’s premature death. While I think the Thorn Cult in part 6 wasn’t a bad concept as well as Michael being a pawn of such, I hated how the movie was excessive with the crude material which distracted from the story as well as Jamie’s dissatisfying outcome (yeah I know run on sentence) I’m glad these movies exist though, 4 & 5 anyway I would have been fine wit the the anthology series if Season of the Witch was the SECOND movie in the franchise Halloween 2 deserves all the blame: it was fair for audiences to be confused and even disappointed. First of all it was a numbered franchise that followed a specific character/universe. By this point they’ve pretty much made their choice What’s more is that 2 is NOT a good sequel: it recycles the premise of the first on the same night as the first. This takes away the emotional weight of Michael’s actions and it confirms an official retcon of Michael’s immortality. While this movie diminishes Micheal’s menace with repetition as well as out of place explosions and drive in movie gore, the movie does at least open the door to expand on the story. I know subtlety and the principle of “less is more” is crucial for the first film as a standalone but with a sequel it’s inevitable that we’d have to answer all the questions like Michael’s motives While the movie kind of shoehorns Michael and Laurie’s relationship rather suddenly, once again, there is opportunity: you can explore the curse bestowed upon Michael and how it effects Laurie as his sister. But of course they just abandon it I know I rambled: I admit I take some offense when people label fans put off by the choices made for the franchise as narrow minded
I love the thorn trilogy. Renting Halloween 4-5 VHS tapes and having sleepovers as a kid is something that I miss very much. Then waiting half of a decade to see part 6 in theaters is a memory that I’ll always cherish. I know people make fun of these, but they’re my favorite and always will be.
Michael Myers being purged of his evil and becoming a good guy yet not given a chance due to his reputation and the townspeople would have been a really interesting idea. I wish that could have happened
Youre not weird. They do have their charm. In their own way. H4 is great, it retreads H1 with a twist. H5 has a lot of issues, but still has its moments. H6, depending on the cut you watch, can make or break the thorn trilogy. I still stand by my stance that Jamie should have teamed up with Tommy and Loomis.
Wasnt a fan of the cult direction it took but the dr.death storyline woulda made more sense. I also feel like this guy keeps up on this franchises comments across FB and YT. He is right about how split the fans are towards certain things about these films 🎃
Yeah I am not a fan of this franchise in fact I haven't watched any of them in years (besides the new reboot trilogy if you can call it that... they did not plan it at all) but Halloween 4 really stood out above the rest. In fact, H2018 felt a lot like Halloween 4 at times except it was more chaotic and relied on nostalgia way more it practically is an original and H4 rip off lol
some how when i was a kid this was my first vhs i remeber having a video store was shutting down so my mom asked what movies i wanted i picked halloween 4 and the great pumpkin. i will always have a soft spot for this one and watch it every year
I prefer to think the thorn movies are still part of the later Laurie movies. In my headcanon, Laurie fakes her death either to run away or draw away Michael from her daughter.
H20 was even written as a sequel to H6 Pcut, that's why there are so many parallels like Laurie's "death" being a car crash in both, Loomis surviving the explosion (but dying of old age; why let Loomis survive H2, to let him die of old age, if it wasn't part of the COT timeline originaly), them never finding Michael's body (if it took place after H2's explosion, why look for a body that likely burned to a crisp?; the line referred to Michael leaving Smith's Grove at the end of H6 Pcut and them never finding his body), Michael's overall look in the scene when he killed Marion Chambers (wearing the H6 mask with grey coveralls and his stature being more like H6's Michael than any other version of him). They only made the dumb decision to cut out the direct references, like Laurie telling her son about Jamie, and therefore creating tons of plotholes (like Michael having eyes and no burn scars in H20, with him only being a simple psycho instead of a man controlled and empowered by a supernatural force of nature). The comics later did, what H20 decided not to do, connecting H6 Pcut with H20, while fixing some plot holes.
THERE'S ONE TIMELINE!!!!! ORIGINAL, II, 4,5,6,H20, resurrection is a mistake. during III (it's own thing) Jamie is fostered, Michael continues his killi after being in a coma after 2 (he is scarred from the burns) as is Loomis. the eye thing, just weak writing/continuity. so, jamie is told her mother died ( it's summed up in H20 Laurie FAKED HER DEATH) so 4 happens, 5 continues, 6 happens after. michael broke the hold the thorn cult had on him, tommy is there, tells Loomis he survived the original attacks. now, H20 happens, Laurie had moved on, has a son. no mention of jamie, because she was fostered. simple. there's no MULTI TIMELINES, the original-resurrection, the 1 off creative, unique III and five imitations.
Yeah. I see people say online that the cult and thorn curse "over explains" Michael. But I dont worry over that because in time they would have to give us more backstory to Michael to "meat up" his stories so they stay fresh and interesting. We see with the later movies they just keep on rehashing the first movie. The cult concept doesnt bother me, the cult doesnt fully control him. I wanted to see him break out of their control and slaughter them and evolve on his own, proving that no one can control him, except evil itself.
I prefer the Dr. Loomis saga myself. (HALLOWEEN 1978, H II, H IV, H V, H VI PC) It has the most logical progression. It first appears Michael is a random killer. In 2, we see he has at least some reasoning. In 4, we see him going after Laurie's daughter Jamie. In 5, we see Rachel die. But Tina briefly takes the torch. And a new threat is coming. ✝ Then in H VI PC, we see the threat is MUCH larger than we thought it was.
This was a great video!! Thank you. I definitely agree, Halloween 4 is great! Concur, 5 is ehh. And Halloween 6, not bad, i dont hate it. I love Paul Rudd, and you totally nailed it on the atmosphere of the movie, it’s a beautiful autumn feel, and now makes sense, since it was filmed in the fall, in an area that has that seasonal cold weather, foliage etc. and I love your last line, “halloween 6, I got your back” Me too!
It does make sense to have Jamie ( As a teenager ) follow her uncle's footstep but the plot have to be spot on ( as in Michael Myers have to die & have Dr. Lumis, Rachael, try to stop her ).
I remember H6 mainly due to the scene where Michael breaks down the bar gates by pressing a guys face against it. Memorable kill from when I was 6-9. I don’t remember it from my childhood so I knew back then it wasn’t great because I remembered other horror movies well
Me too. The ending of H6 in the producers cut gets me so amped and then lets me down because they never continued on from that point. And with the passing of Donald Pleasence it would make it difficult too. But I so wished that Jamie Lloyd wasnt offed in H6. I want to know what becomes of Michael's son. He's gonna be a cursed and gifted baby for sure.
The last movie may have been a cluster F, but I honestly like the Thorn time-line. Mainly for Loomis, the series just isn't the same without Donald Pleasence 😢
I adore the thorn trilogy, particularly 4 and 6. Michael is legit scary in many moments throughout the three movies, we get more Loomis, we get the Rachel/Jamie sisterhood, an unhinged adult Tommy who serves as the original 2018 Laurie - knowing he’s out there and investigating him. Kara is a single parent trying to do what’s best for her child. 5 made a lot of whacky decisions, but 6 did its best to actually paste all of it together in a way that tied into ancient Celtic Halloween origins. I wouldn’t want every single Halloween to be like Curse, but I think it’s an overly hated film and certainly “switched up the formula” long before Corey existed. This trilogy is a lot of fun.
Since Michael is currently dead, it would be cool if they revisited the anthology idea for potential sequels. Halloween 3 is a silly movie, but it's gotten some more respect in the decades since it came out.
Watching this again, I had to come back to say that 1989 really screwed the Unholy Trinity over. We got the worst and lowest performing Films of Elm Street, Friday, and Halloween all in 89. The fact that 89 had some surprise hits, and surprise "flops" all throughout the year, deserves it's own Documentary. Especially what the year meant for Horror/Slasher Films. 89 changed everything.
Nightmare 5 is actually still the highest grossing slasher film of 1989 and rewatching it recently I really liked it I think its really underrated like Scream 3 back in the days
I've learned to appreciate the thorn trilogy in my own way. Except for 5 I just kinda pretend that little event never happened and Rachel is alive and well.
@nicholaschen4432 I wouldn't dare want to burden you of the pain that is Halloween 5. The worst movie in the series . I made another comment it is such a terrible movie I prefer resurrection over it. If you must know just watch the first 10 to 15 minutes as the rest of the movie doesn't even matter . The rest of the movie after Rachel's fate adds absolutely nothing to the rest of the series. H5 is just something I never want my poor eyes to see again. But I agree that Rachel was a great protagonist and she should've absolutely been in Halloween 6!!!!
I thought I was the only one who enjoyed Curse of Michael myers for what it is. Sure, the plot is junk. But outside of the 2018 reboot or the zombie remake, we';ve never seen michael unleashed like this. It's fun!
I love the thorn trilogy! I feel iy perfectly explains why Michael went evil very suddenly, why he only returns particular halloweens, noy every halloween and it very wrll explains why he appears so immortal and recovers very well from 90% of his injuries. Love this trilogy and kind of wish they stuck with it for the remainder of the movies. Love the othet movies that followed but would have been nice to thorn thrown in there too
Totally agree! I'm in the same boat. Exceot I dont like the movies that followed H6. I wanted a continuation of from H6. Like a "son of Michael Myers" sequel. I just wish they didnt off Jamie Lloyd. she is my fave Halloween final girl.
Things that didn't need explaining until Halloween 4. The first movie did a perfectly fine job explaining how he operates and the injuries he had at the end are far from unreasonable for someone to walk away from, especially with an adrenaline rush. Much smaller and weaker people have survived far worse.
There was to be a sequel to the Producers cut version of part 6 that sounded great! but they went with h20 instead sadly. and its been crap ever since@@ItsaKindOfMagic86
Thorn trilogy was great in my opinion having him indestructible, but still getting injured. If only they would've added more elements to it to make it a little better that would've make it a success to continue. Of course, I think the first death of Laurie Strode in Halloween Resurrection was a better, smarter, and more realistic move on Laurie's part than Halloween Ends. Ends just focused on Corey Cunningham growing as the next vicious Michael Myers, only to be killed off by Michael and commit partial suicide. In a way, he was actually stronger than Michael Myers was.
I like the thorn concept. The only issues is H5 needed a lot of work, it had major issues that bled into H6. And Jamie should have teamed up with Tommy.
Rachel is the biggest problem . She could have died in Halloween 5 but at the end. Let her basically do everything Tina did and scrap Tina , and then on top of that actually bring back Danielle Harris. Like what the actual fffff was that? Complete middle finger to the fans to bring her character back without the proper actress and either kill her off in the first ten minutes or shoot her in the head unceremoniously in a hospital bed??? Like are you serious . The thorn trilogy could have been so good if somebody just actually cared man. I feel passionately about these cuz they were what I grew up with but as I got older and realized the holes I was so disappointed
I feel like the cult stuff could work well with Michael myers, it was just executed very poorly, but it works because Michael isn’t human and some people are ok with just not knowing but til this day we don’t know what Michael really is.
Yeah with some more polished writing it could have been legendary. They were trying to add some freshness so they dont just repeat the same movie. I like that they tried. I dont mind at all Michael being fleshed out with ties to a cult and curse. It helps fill in plotholes. Yes some people dont like Michael having his origins over explained because they prefer him to be mysterious. it is possible to still keep him myserious with the Thorn backstory, just have him break free from it and ta-da he is on his own again - after he wipes the cult out in a masscare, proving evil itself controls him. At some point you cant avoid fleshing out characters. Even Jason Voorhees has gone through some wacky ideas to keep his movies fresh.
@@robertpreston2220 Same here. I am so happy I finally got a copy of the Pcut for a price that wasn't 80+$. So sad, that we didn't even get a H7 and H8 comic book, if they didn't want to make it into a film. It worked with Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, so why not trying it out? Also imo Michael was the scariest and finally a three dimensional character in H6 Pcut instead of a charcater without any persinality you could swap out for anyone else, without changing anything of the plot. I like the whole Michael is innocent and a victim himself angle. It adds to the character a lot and lets us understand, why he acted in certain ways in certain situations.
halloween 6 is lowkey really good. i mean the cult stuff is kind of meh, but the kills are really good.. the atmosphere is really good.. and michael’s mask is one of my favorites in this. not to mention, paul rudd
I need to ask something, this is the second video I've seen where someone says people in Haddonfield know that Jamie is Michael's niece, but I never saw it that way. I thought the kids tormenting her at school were just being mean and didn't know how right they were about Jamie's uncle being the boogeyman. Doesn't Jamie even say something about the kids at school being right when Rachel tells Brady that Michael is Jamie's uncle as if they have only just found out themselves. Maybe I'm just a dumbass. Anyway, feel free to let me know if I missed something here.
I woul have to go back and watch the movies for a confirmed answer but maybe some of the elder folks - particulary the older ladies - gossiped in town and the rumor got spread that way?
This narrator cannot say a single sentence without following a very specific speech pattern. Literally everything he says is this slightly delayed (awkward unnecessary pauses in between words). Reminds me so much of the family guy sketch where the emperor figured out the dialogue “something something darkside. Something something the force.” This narrator: “the film of Halloween… was to be released… in 1978… under director… John carpenter…”
To me the Pcut version of six is the best in the franchise. I wish they had done the sequel that was planned for it! Instead all we got was crap after six!!
I think so too. It falls in with the theme of Halloween. I wanted it to line with the coven in H3. but they set H3 in its own universe, whcih they shouldnt have done but they wanted to distance themselves so far from Michael Myers. A halloween anthology I would be down for. And a continuation from H6 so we can find out what becomes of Michael's son. He would be cursed and gifted like his parents.
Micheal was never a human flesh and blood typical human. Even in the first movie, didn’t Loomis say he’s not human? And in the first, he lifted a grave stone, and lifted up Bob with one hand, and shoved a knife through his body and impaled him into a wall. A human could not do this. He was more than human even in the original movie.
Thorn Trilogy is best trilogy. It's too bad they didn't continue on after H6. I would literally take any film in the Thorn Trilogy over any film that came after it.
I love 4 but 2 will always be my fave. The fact that they erased it with the 2018 reboot was so dumb given it was a continuation of the same damn night. I get that they wanted to undo the "sister" link that pt2 started but it woulda been less awkward to simply say "we made a mistake, she in't related to him". Cuz the part in 2018 where the friend of Laurie's granddaughter says "so he's a guy that stabbed a few people like 40 yrs ago, big deal" wouldnt have been needed had 2 stayed canon and now he also survived 6 slugs and then went on to kill the staff of a hos[ital an a few other random fold, making him seem super dangerous. But as for 5/6 I will watch them when they're on but I put 5 tied with Fri the 13th pt7/8, Leatherface TCM3, and Hellraiser 3, and Curse is the equivalent to Jason goes to Hell for me. Halloween 3 is the equal of Fthe13 pt5, Nightmare on Elmstreet 2 or New Nightmare
There’s a video that has a thumbnail that shows H1 Myers, H5 Myers, and unmasked Rob Zombie H2 Myers and none of them want to hang out with the new Myers.
@@lionelhutz5137 personally I fvcking love them! the brutality and carnage in Rob Zombie's 2 films is a super rad change up from the less is more formula in the OG movie... imo that's how remakes should be, somthing that takes its source from the original but goes in a completely different direction. and honestly shout out to H2 for its depiction of trauma and mental illness, it definitely made Laurie a more tragic and grounded character
Halloween 🎃 is the best slasher out there. Jason Voorhees and Freddy Krueger. Even Chucky! Charles Lee Ray. Are really good. I can't forget about Scream. I like the cult version. I also like the original timeline too.
Halloween: Stabbed in the neck with a knitting needle, poked in the eye with a wire hanger, stabbed in the abdomen with his own knife, shot six times, falls off the balcony. Halloween II: Shot 6 more times in the hospital, shot twice in his eyes, and was burned alive. I understand what Mr. Akkad was thinking, but like did he not add a supernatural element Carpenter wanted to do in the unmade Halloween IV? Just seems weird to me.
This is the Halloween movie I find unique as well as different they keep Michael Dark as Dark as he was in the First 2 movies Michael returns and changes how he kills abit and the camara trick they started in H4 and kept doing in more Halloween movies like twice in H4 in gas station Michael appears and looks like he’s at a distance before Michael got his famous mask at the store when Loomas shoots at him he finds out it was a mirror trick somehow with myers face showing another time in H4 Jamie in her room saying her prayers and Myers appears in the Mirror to check out his target in a Thunder storm and used the same trick 2 times in H20 that mask sucked
I think the thorn storyline was a good premise and could have worked if you had better writers. I enjoyed it as a kid but I can see why people had issues with it. But honestly if he had good storytellers it could have worked in there pretty good
"Favorite since the original" dude the new Halloween mask, 2018 and beyond, looks like the first movie's mask has been sitting in an evidence locker for 40 years.
it is, but that is ok we can all share ideas on how to fix it, rewrite it, retcon it, ignore it and scrap it we got options I prefer to analyse and fix it and rewrite it :) it has some good elements and moments, just mishandled, but my bias is Jamie Llyod is my Halloween final girl. I cant skip this trilogy.
1, 2, 4 is the best trilogy. I like the Jamie Lloyd trilogy ('Thorn' is only in H6, foreshadowed in H5) but they did both the Jamie Lloyd character and Danielle Harris dirty in H6. Strangely, I don't mind the H6 Producer's Cut, even though Jamie still gets offed. The incest is ballsy; the cult at least explains his supernatural powers after FIVE films; the end is refreshingly different. The Weinsteins' 'Theatrical Cut' was a mess: less coherence, turned gory but convoluted, and the sanatorium showdown replacing the PC ending was a stupid cliffhanger. At least the P-cut tells a coherent story. First killing, then retconning Jamie Lloyd out was dreadful, she's tied with Michael and Loomis as franchise star if you ask me. Much more compelling than Laurie Strode, and JLC herself pales before Danielle Harris. They dropped the ball in truly abysmal fashion. If anything, I'd like a sequel to H4, or a new follow-up to H5... Jamie Lloyd/Harris deserve another shot. All the other retcons and reboots were an annoyance. At least keep the 'reaction to Jamie's death' scene in H20. An adult Jamie Lloyd in one final showdown beats any iteration of JLC/Laurie.
Maybe this is a hot take, but I mhch prefer Carpenter's original idea of an anthology series. Maybe they could've tried to seed interconnective tissue between original stories like shared supporting characters in order to maintain interest, but there's only so much you can do with what was originally a very self contained story.
i will forever, be grateful to debra hill, for giving us, our beloved series. however, learning that she was the reason that girard, directed 5. i have mixed emotions right now. we all make mistakes. but, that was a major, royal screw up.
Thron trilogy is still the best continuation of the timeline. H20, I've never been a fan of it. The tone and atmosphere is so off and odd. Resurrection is bad, but I find it dumb fun and don't hate it to the degree that most fans do. I actually enjoy it more than H20. Then we have the david gordon green trilogy ignoring the original H2 was a mistake imo. But halloween 2018 was good, not great, but good halloween kills was fine as a follow-up and 2nd entry. Then we have ends, which is a strong contender for the worst film in the franchise, which destroyed what could have been a decent trilogy.
Is it really a “trilogy” though? Part 4 has absolutely nothing to do with thorn it’s not even mentioned it’s more of a two film thing I always get puzzled when people call it that because only 5 and 6 have thorn in it and it’s very minor in the 5th film as well it’s mostly just the curse of Michael myers.
It is about Jamie and her connection to Michael. Which they should have paid that off in H6. But dropped the ball. H5 is to blame for the bad set up. I do like the trilogy though, what it could have been had it been handled better. I still want my H7 "the son of Michael Myers" I want it! 🔪🔪🔪 🎃
Hearing that Donald Plesance was actually invested in Halloween 4, and knowing how well received Danielle Harris' performance was, just makes me love that movie even more.
Akkad pushes Carpenter out over not wanting a supernatural element. Proceeds to add a supernatural element on his own.
The "Thorn Trilogy" was fine by me (well at least 4&6). The Trilogy would've worked better, had they gone with the twist of Part 4. Whomever approved Halloween 5, the way we got it, totally dropped the ball. The biggest problem I had with 6 was that they killed Jaime off.
I hate 5 so much i put resurrection above it. I know that most others say the opposite but 5 for me is borderline unwatchable. Great fbi torture device
Spot on @anthonyclark! my thoughts exactly 🎃🔪
I have not seen them since I binged them as a teen lol I remember Halloween 4 was really good and H20 didn't age well at all and it was only in Halloween 2018 (which was an above average film at best) that I realise it has always been about different timelines. This franchise as a whole is very inconsistent and the fact it constantly starts new timelines to erase previous installments and how some other franchises are replicating it (like Terminator) isn't really a good way to deal with the established canon to me, in fact it really hurts it.
I love Halloween 4. It was my first Halloween movie, and it was my "white noise" movie for many years. I'd pop my old Anchor Bay VHS into my VCR before I went to bed, and I'd wake in the morning to static on the TV. I had the saturation on my TV turned up a little high, and it always seemed to lend a supernatural glow to the orange text and autumn sky in the opening credits.
I also love the Curse mask. It looks like it's made of stone or granite, as ancient, immovable, and indestructable as the evil that powers Michael.
And yes, Howard Stern was approached to play Barry Simms, but he turned it down because he was busy working on the film adaptation of his book Private Parts.
The trilogy that formed my childhood
You were blessed
@@robertpreston2220cursed 😂
This will forever be my favorite timeline...
same
@@robertpreston2220Agreed, you both have good taste.
Thank you@@joen8529
Mine too 🎃🧡
Nostalgia is a heck of a drug.
I just watched Halloween 3 the other night...it's criminally underrated.
It would have not even come close to the numbers it DID do if it wasn't called Halloween 3. Blah!!!!
Its a fkn great overall premise, but shit acting and why the hell the two leads got it on made no sense
I don't think so. I was born in 83 and a long as I can remember people were hyping Halloween 3 up as a hidden gem. It's not bad, but it's just am average mid-80s sci fi/horror film.
It scarred me for lofe as a kid. I still get goosebumps when i hear the jingle.
nah. its trash
I feel like you could do one for the Nightmare on Elm Street 3-4-5 ‘the Dream Trilogy’ cause it is one underrated set of horror sequel films that flow incredibly well altogether and way better and more consistent than the Thorn trilogy. It’s a rare, actual proper horror trilogy as it has the consistency in story, quality and theme with each film. Rewatched Nightmare 3-4-5 back to back recently they genuinely have such good continuity and should be seen by more people especially 4 and 5, criminally underrated films. And I do know you open your videos with the iconic line from Part 4 and you seem to be a big fan of that film in particular, so I’m really putting this proposal on here, hope you don’t sleep on it ❤️
Agreed.
Or the Nancy trilogy (1,3,7)
Dream Warriors (the best) and Dream Master are a good double feature. The drop-off from there is substantial. I have some nostalgic fondness for 5 but I could go the rest of my life without seeing it again.
It's a shame we got plenty of Halloween themed anthologies. But we never got john carpenter's
I'm glad we got more Michael Myers, but I am interested in knowing what other ideas he had.
John Carpenter’s filmography is a halloween anthology lol. Anthology franchises don’t work unless there are recurring characters or a bunch of shorts put into one movie. That’s why the tales from the crypt movies and the Cloverfield movies didn’t work while the conjuring universe does - the Warrens hold everything together and are basically involved in all of the spin-off demons. Anthologies also are breeding grounds for bad unmade scripts that get the franchise name slapped onto it. That’s what they did with the Hellraiser series. So we would have likely gotten one additional anthology movie and the franchise would have been dead.
Check out his lesser known movie from the 90's Body bags. It's set up sorta like Tales from the crypt, and he actually is the "host" sorta like the crypt keeper...it's a good movie
@@jackiezukoski5305I agree, Body Bags is a good movie.
I’m in the fence
I actually really liked the Thorn Cult…well two installments anyway: 4 and 5 were great despite some of the silly moments in 5 as well as Rachel’s premature death.
While I think the Thorn Cult in part 6 wasn’t a bad concept as well as Michael being a pawn of such, I hated how the movie was excessive with the crude material which distracted from the story as well as Jamie’s dissatisfying outcome (yeah I know run on sentence)
I’m glad these movies exist though, 4 & 5 anyway
I would have been fine wit the the anthology series if Season of the Witch was the SECOND movie in the franchise
Halloween 2 deserves all the blame: it was fair for audiences to be confused and even disappointed. First of all it was a numbered franchise that followed a specific character/universe. By this point they’ve pretty much made their choice
What’s more is that 2 is NOT a good sequel: it recycles the premise of the first on the same night as the first. This takes away the emotional weight of Michael’s actions and it confirms an official retcon of Michael’s immortality.
While this movie diminishes Micheal’s menace with repetition as well as out of place explosions and drive in movie gore, the movie does at least open the door to expand on the story. I know subtlety and the principle of “less is more” is crucial for the first film as a standalone but with a sequel it’s inevitable that we’d have to answer all the questions like Michael’s motives
While the movie kind of shoehorns Michael and Laurie’s relationship rather suddenly, once again, there is opportunity: you can explore the curse bestowed upon Michael and how it effects Laurie as his sister. But of course they just abandon it
I know I rambled: I admit I take some offense when people label fans put off by the choices made for the franchise as narrow minded
I grew up with the Thorn Trilogy.
Same. I was more fond of them when I was younger than I do now. But I'll always put those movies on halloween
Still my favorite trilogy timeline 6 is my favorite out the franchise
I feel sorry for you. ☹️🎃
@@Horrorking181Ugh. You poor thing.
I love the thorn trilogy. Renting Halloween 4-5 VHS tapes and having sleepovers as a kid is something that I miss very much. Then waiting half of a decade to see part 6 in theaters is a memory that I’ll always cherish. I know people make fun of these, but they’re my favorite and always will be.
this narrator sounds like Norm MacDonald lol
Was thinking that the whole time lol
Part 6 was the first Halloween I saw in the theater. By the next year (1996), people were already posting about the producers cut.
I have seen the producers cut of H6.
I have yet to watch the theatrical. Even though I have it in my collection. i will one day.
To me the Pcut of six is the best in the franchise. I wish they had done the sequel that was planned for it!
Same. H6 was my first theatrical one. Good times.
Incest film
Halloween 3 is still a classic imo
It’s a great movie.
The CROW would've been an excellent entry into the HALLOWEEN anthology.
I grew up with this trilogy. Wish they continued the story line. Like they did in comic books. Which connected the thorn trilogy with h20.
Michael Myers being purged of his evil and becoming a good guy yet not given a chance due to his reputation and the townspeople would have been a really interesting idea. I wish that could have happened
lol interesting to a minority of fans which is a dumb move to do unless you;re trying to fail
I'm that weirdo that loves all three of these movies.
Youre not weird. They do have their charm. In their own way.
H4 is great, it retreads H1 with a twist.
H5 has a lot of issues, but still has its moments.
H6, depending on the cut you watch, can make or break the thorn trilogy. I still stand by my stance that Jamie should have teamed up with Tommy and Loomis.
Same here. Watched all these films on AMC and sci-fi back in the day
Wasnt a fan of the cult direction it took but the dr.death storyline woulda made more sense. I also feel like this guy keeps up on this franchises comments across FB and YT. He is right about how split the fans are towards certain things about these films 🎃
I unapologetically LOVE Halloween 4, it's my second favorite next to the original; that being said part 5 & 6 are...not great to say the least
Yeah I am not a fan of this franchise in fact I haven't watched any of them in years (besides the new reboot trilogy if you can call it that... they did not plan it at all) but Halloween 4 really stood out above the rest. In fact, H2018 felt a lot like Halloween 4 at times except it was more chaotic and relied on nostalgia way more it practically is an original and H4 rip off lol
6 being such a big miss was a disappointment because that movie had one of the best masks in the franchise
5 is kinda fun tho. Shanks was an awesome michael. Sammy was hot
I grow up on the Original and Thorn Trilogy 😊
Same here. That is the original and true Myers. Not all the endless reboot crap that came after
some how when i was a kid this was my first vhs i remeber having a video store was shutting down so my mom asked what movies i wanted i picked halloween 4 and the great pumpkin. i will always have a soft spot for this one and watch it every year
Love Halloween 4, my fav of the franchise. The mood is so good
Love H4. Except the mask. It isnt scary. Other than that, it is great. The twist ending is awesome!
@@ItsaKindOfMagic86 yeah not a perfect movie by no means but for me it’s the most nostalgic
danielle harris had an incredible performance in both movies
Shame she didn't have a bigger career. I respect her for still being in the Halloween fandom
I prefer to think the thorn movies are still part of the later Laurie movies.
In my headcanon, Laurie fakes her death either to run away or draw away Michael from her daughter.
H20 was even written as a sequel to H6 Pcut, that's why there are so many parallels like Laurie's "death" being a car crash in both, Loomis surviving the explosion (but dying of old age; why let Loomis survive H2, to let him die of old age, if it wasn't part of the COT timeline originaly), them never finding Michael's body (if it took place after H2's explosion, why look for a body that likely burned to a crisp?; the line referred to Michael leaving Smith's Grove at the end of H6 Pcut and them never finding his body), Michael's overall look in the scene when he killed Marion Chambers (wearing the H6 mask with grey coveralls and his stature being more like H6's Michael than any other version of him).
They only made the dumb decision to cut out the direct references, like Laurie telling her son about Jamie, and therefore creating tons of plotholes (like Michael having eyes and no burn scars in H20, with him only being a simple psycho instead of a man controlled and empowered by a supernatural force of nature).
The comics later did, what H20 decided not to do, connecting H6 Pcut with H20, while fixing some plot holes.
THERE'S ONE TIMELINE!!!!! ORIGINAL, II, 4,5,6,H20, resurrection is a mistake. during III (it's own thing) Jamie is fostered, Michael continues his killi after being in a coma after 2 (he is scarred from the burns) as is Loomis. the eye thing, just weak writing/continuity. so, jamie is told her mother died ( it's summed up in H20 Laurie FAKED HER DEATH) so 4 happens, 5 continues, 6 happens after. michael broke the hold the thorn cult had on him, tommy is there, tells Loomis he survived the original attacks. now, H20 happens, Laurie had moved on, has a son. no mention of jamie, because she was fostered. simple. there's no MULTI TIMELINES, the original-resurrection, the 1 off creative, unique III and five imitations.
Better than the Blumhouse trilogy any time of day.
SPOT ON! YES! A THOUSAND PUMPKINS YES! 🎃🔪
BY FAR!
THE BEST STORY of the FRANCHISE!
Yeah. I see people say online that the cult and thorn curse "over explains" Michael. But I dont worry over that because in time they would have to give us more backstory to Michael to "meat up" his stories so they stay fresh and interesting. We see with the later movies they just keep on rehashing the first movie.
The cult concept doesnt bother me, the cult doesnt fully control him. I wanted to see him break out of their control and slaughter them and evolve on his own, proving that no one can control him, except evil itself.
agree
yes sir Rob @@robertpreston2220
I love the thorn trilogy. 4, 5 and PC 6.
100 percent!
I prefer the Dr. Loomis saga myself. (HALLOWEEN 1978, H II, H IV, H V, H VI PC) It has the most logical progression. It first appears Michael is a random killer. In 2, we see he has at least some reasoning. In 4, we see him going after Laurie's daughter Jamie. In 5, we see Rachel die. But Tina briefly takes the torch. And a new threat is coming. ✝ Then in H VI PC, we see the threat is MUCH larger than we thought it was.
I'm so glad three got the love it deserved
This was a great video!! Thank you. I definitely agree, Halloween 4 is great! Concur, 5 is ehh. And Halloween 6, not bad, i dont hate it. I love Paul Rudd, and you totally nailed it on the atmosphere of the movie, it’s a beautiful autumn feel, and now makes sense, since it was filmed in the fall, in an area that has that seasonal cold weather, foliage etc. and I love your last line, “halloween 6, I got your back”
Me too!
It does make sense to have Jamie ( As a teenager ) follow her uncle's footstep but the plot have to be spot on ( as in Michael Myers have to die & have Dr. Lumis, Rachael, try to stop her ).
4-6 are hands down the best ones, besides arguably the 2 originals!
It's the best I wouldn't watch these movies without
Season of the witch is EASILY the best Halloween movie. The thorn trilogy is dope as well.
I remember H6 mainly due to the scene where Michael breaks down the bar gates by pressing a guys face against it. Memorable kill from when I was 6-9. I don’t remember it from my childhood so I knew back then it wasn’t great because I remembered other horror movies well
1.) Halloween RZ (2007)
2.) Halloween (1978)
3.) Halloween 4 (1988)
my top 3 for sure
and before anybody comments some bs i’ve been watching this series for 10+ yearsOVER AND OVER AGAIN!, it’s just my OPINION!
2018 trilogy is bad. I WILL die on that hill. (That ending music is great)
I will too with you!
I rather the OG sequels :) we stil got Dr Loomis in them.
Worse ever the latest trilogy!
lol the only 3 films that actually match the point of the original.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug lol
@@millyoneyedeaz1350 They're bad films.
I was a teen when these hit. I liked the Thorn story and was excited for the mystery to get solved. 🙄
Me too. The ending of H6 in the producers cut gets me so amped and then lets me down because they never continued on from that point.
And with the passing of Donald Pleasence it would make it difficult too. But I so wished that Jamie Lloyd wasnt offed in H6.
I want to know what becomes of Michael's son. He's gonna be a cursed and gifted baby for sure.
I know so many of us had so many questions never answered and Pcut of six answered them!
There was a planned sequel to the Pcut version of six. That sounded real good but we never got it@@ItsaKindOfMagic86
The last movie may have been a cluster F, but I honestly like the Thorn time-line. Mainly for Loomis, the series just isn't the same without Donald Pleasence 😢
I adore the thorn trilogy, particularly 4 and 6. Michael is legit scary in many moments throughout the three movies, we get more Loomis, we get the Rachel/Jamie sisterhood, an unhinged adult Tommy who serves as the original 2018 Laurie - knowing he’s out there and investigating him. Kara is a single parent trying to do what’s best for her child. 5 made a lot of whacky decisions, but 6 did its best to actually paste all of it together in a way that tied into ancient Celtic Halloween origins. I wouldn’t want every single Halloween to be like Curse, but I think it’s an overly hated film and certainly “switched up the formula” long before Corey existed. This trilogy is a lot of fun.
Since Michael is currently dead, it would be cool if they revisited the anthology idea for potential sequels. Halloween 3 is a silly movie, but it's gotten some more respect in the decades since it came out.
Watched it for the first time in years as a forty three year cynical old man yesterday.It's absolutely appalling stuff doesn't age well at all.
They have tv rights so maybe they can do the anthology thing there just don't let it become ahs, the first few seasons but it got stale
@teethonthecurb161 It's trash, but fun trash in my opinion.
Watching this again, I had to come back to say that 1989 really screwed the Unholy Trinity over. We got the worst and lowest performing Films of Elm Street, Friday, and Halloween all in 89. The fact that 89 had some surprise hits, and surprise "flops" all throughout the year, deserves it's own Documentary. Especially what the year meant for Horror/Slasher Films. 89 changed everything.
1989 :( the end of the 80s era...
tho some 80s in spirit things did spill over into the early 90s
Nightmare 5 is actually still the highest grossing slasher film of 1989 and rewatching it recently I really liked it I think its really underrated like Scream 3 back in the days
I've learned to appreciate the thorn trilogy in my own way. Except for 5 I just kinda pretend that little event never happened and Rachel is alive and well.
I do like this, but going by this how would you explain Rachel's absence in 6, did she die off screen :(
@nicholaschen4432 I wouldn't dare want to burden you of the pain that is Halloween 5. The worst movie in the series . I made another comment it is such a terrible movie I prefer resurrection over it. If you must know just watch the first 10 to 15 minutes as the rest of the movie doesn't even matter . The rest of the movie after Rachel's fate adds absolutely nothing to the rest of the series. H5 is just something I never want my poor eyes to see again. But I agree that Rachel was a great protagonist and she should've absolutely been in Halloween 6!!!!
way too much hate for this trilogy, especially from those who think Ends is such a good movie.
As Far As I Know , Unless you count the producers cut of pat 6 , there is no Thorn Trilogy. 5 and 6 are the only ones with that Thorn cult.
I grew up to the Thorn trilogy
Loved Halloween III
I thought I was the only one who enjoyed Curse of Michael myers for what it is. Sure, the plot is junk. But outside of the 2018 reboot or the zombie remake, we';ve never seen michael unleashed like this. It's fun!
I love the thorn trilogy! I feel iy perfectly explains why Michael went evil very suddenly, why he only returns particular halloweens, noy every halloween and it very wrll explains why he appears so immortal and recovers very well from 90% of his injuries. Love this trilogy and kind of wish they stuck with it for the remainder of the movies. Love the othet movies that followed but would have been nice to thorn thrown in there too
Totally agree! I'm in the same boat.
Exceot I dont like the movies that followed H6. I wanted a continuation of from H6. Like a "son of Michael Myers" sequel.
I just wish they didnt off Jamie Lloyd. she is my fave Halloween final girl.
Things that didn't need explaining until Halloween 4. The first movie did a perfectly fine job explaining how he operates and the injuries he had at the end are far from unreasonable for someone to walk away from, especially with an adrenaline rush. Much smaller and weaker people have survived far worse.
There was to be a sequel to the Producers cut version of part 6 that sounded great! but they went with h20 instead sadly. and its been crap ever since@@ItsaKindOfMagic86
To me the Pcut of six is the best in the franchise. I wish they had done the sequel that was planned for it!
Thorn trilogy was great in my opinion having him indestructible, but still getting injured. If only they would've added more elements to it to make it a little better that would've make it a success to continue. Of course, I think the first death of Laurie Strode in Halloween Resurrection was a better, smarter, and more realistic move on Laurie's part than Halloween Ends. Ends just focused on Corey Cunningham growing as the next vicious Michael Myers, only to be killed off by Michael and commit partial suicide. In a way, he was actually stronger than Michael Myers was.
4 is tied with 2 as my favorite sequel and I prefer 6 over 5.
I love Halloween III!
I like the thorn concept.
The only issues is H5 needed a lot of work, it had major issues that bled into H6.
And Jamie should have teamed up with Tommy.
4/ 5 have always been my favorite in the series
Rachel is the biggest problem . She could have died in Halloween 5 but at the end. Let her basically do everything Tina did and scrap Tina , and then on top of that actually bring back Danielle Harris. Like what the actual fffff was that? Complete middle finger to the fans to bring her character back without the proper actress and either kill her off in the first ten minutes or shoot her in the head unceremoniously in a hospital bed??? Like are you serious . The thorn trilogy could have been so good if somebody just actually cared man. I feel passionately about these cuz they were what I grew up with but as I got older and realized the holes I was so disappointed
I feel like the cult stuff could work well with Michael myers, it was just executed very poorly, but it works because Michael isn’t human and some people are ok with just not knowing but til this day we don’t know what Michael really is.
Yeah with some more polished writing it could have been legendary. They were trying to add some freshness so they dont just repeat the same movie. I like that they tried. I dont mind at all Michael being fleshed out with ties to a cult and curse. It helps fill in plotholes. Yes some people dont like Michael having his origins over explained because they prefer him to be mysterious. it is possible to still keep him myserious with the Thorn backstory, just have him break free from it and ta-da he is on his own again - after he wipes the cult out in a masscare, proving evil itself controls him. At some point you cant avoid fleshing out characters. Even Jason Voorhees has gone through some wacky ideas to keep his movies fresh.
Halloween 4 was so good! Yes, the mask had problems but the story and characters were so good!!!!
PAUSE min 38:46. Just want to say Thank You. Part 6 is my favorite of all the movies
To me the Pcut of six is the best in the franchise. I wish they had done the sequel that was planned for it!
@@robertpreston2220 Same here. I am so happy I finally got a copy of the Pcut for a price that wasn't 80+$.
So sad, that we didn't even get a H7 and H8 comic book, if they didn't want to make it into a film. It worked with Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, so why not trying it out?
Also imo Michael was the scariest and finally a three dimensional character in H6 Pcut instead of a charcater without any persinality you could swap out for anyone else, without changing anything of the plot. I like the whole Michael is innocent and a victim himself angle. It adds to the character a lot and lets us understand, why he acted in certain ways in certain situations.
@@valeriebreidenstein8362 very cool that you got that! I agree so much with what you said. Shame they mess it all up!
Halloween 6 mask is my personal favorite. It scares the shit outta me 😂
I love Halloween 4
halloween 6 is lowkey really good. i mean the cult stuff is kind of meh, but the kills are really good.. the atmosphere is really good.. and michael’s mask is one of my favorites in this. not to mention, paul rudd
This is the only one I’ll watch. I like it.
I need to ask something, this is the second video I've seen where someone says people in Haddonfield know that Jamie is Michael's niece, but I never saw it that way.
I thought the kids tormenting her at school were just being mean and didn't know how right they were about Jamie's uncle being the boogeyman.
Doesn't Jamie even say something about the kids at school being right when Rachel tells Brady that Michael is Jamie's uncle as if they have only just found out themselves.
Maybe I'm just a dumbass. Anyway, feel free to let me know if I missed something here.
I woul have to go back and watch the movies for a confirmed answer
but maybe some of the elder folks - particulary the older ladies - gossiped in town and the rumor got spread that way?
This narrator cannot say a single sentence without following a very specific speech pattern. Literally everything he says is this slightly delayed (awkward unnecessary pauses in between words). Reminds me so much of the family guy sketch where the emperor figured out the dialogue “something something darkside. Something something the force.” This narrator: “the film of Halloween… was to be released… in 1978… under director… John carpenter…”
I didn't even notice until I saw your comment, now that's all I can hear. Lol.
To me the Pcut version of six is the best in the franchise. I wish they had done the sequel that was planned for it! Instead all we got was crap after six!!
That cult was a good idea
I think so too. It falls in with the theme of Halloween. I wanted it to line with the coven in H3. but they set H3 in its own universe, whcih they shouldnt have done but they wanted to distance themselves so far from Michael Myers. A halloween anthology I would be down for. And a continuation from H6 so we can find out what becomes of Michael's son. He would be cursed and gifted like his parents.
It was great to finally have answers!
Micheal was never a human flesh and blood typical human. Even in the first movie, didn’t Loomis say he’s not human? And in the first, he lifted a grave stone, and lifted up Bob with one hand, and shoved a knife through his body and impaled him into a wall. A human could not do this. He was more than human even in the original movie.
Thorn Trilogy is best trilogy. It's too bad they didn't continue on after H6. I would literally take any film in the Thorn Trilogy over any film that came after it.
I love 4 but 2 will always be my fave. The fact that they erased it with the 2018 reboot was so dumb given it was a continuation of the same damn night. I get that they wanted to undo the "sister" link that pt2 started but it woulda been less awkward to simply say "we made a mistake, she in't related to him". Cuz the part in 2018 where the friend of Laurie's granddaughter says "so he's a guy that stabbed a few people like 40 yrs ago, big deal" wouldnt have been needed had 2 stayed canon and now he also survived 6 slugs and then went on to kill the staff of a hos[ital an a few other random fold, making him seem super dangerous. But as for 5/6 I will watch them when they're on but I put 5 tied with Fri the 13th pt7/8, Leatherface TCM3, and Hellraiser 3, and Curse is the equivalent to Jason goes to Hell for me. Halloween 3 is the equal of Fthe13 pt5, Nightmare on Elmstreet 2 or New Nightmare
Michael looks like a plum when he’s stood next to that geezer in the cloak by the altar 😂😂😂😂😂
I'll take the thorn trilogy over the new trilogy any day of the week
Agree!!!!!
not even close! the new ones are garbage!
Where do you rank the Rob Zombie Halloween movies?
There’s a video that has a thumbnail that shows H1 Myers, H5 Myers, and unmasked Rob Zombie H2 Myers and none of them want to hang out with the new Myers.
@@lionelhutz5137 personally I fvcking love them!
the brutality and carnage in Rob Zombie's 2 films is a super rad change up from the less is more formula in the OG movie... imo that's how remakes should be, somthing that takes its source from the original but goes in a completely different direction.
and honestly shout out to H2 for its depiction of trauma and mental illness, it definitely made Laurie a more tragic and grounded character
Part 6 > parts 4&5
Halloween 🎃 is the best slasher out there. Jason Voorhees and Freddy Krueger. Even Chucky! Charles Lee Ray. Are really good. I can't forget about Scream. I like the cult version. I also like the original timeline too.
They're all great! Even the bad ones! 😂
Halloween: Stabbed in the neck with a knitting needle, poked in the eye with a wire hanger, stabbed in the abdomen with his own knife, shot six times, falls off the balcony.
Halloween II: Shot 6 more times in the hospital, shot twice in his eyes, and was burned alive.
I understand what Mr. Akkad was thinking, but like did he not add a supernatural element Carpenter wanted to do in the unmade Halloween IV? Just seems weird to me.
I swear I saw a version of 5 where the dog talked telepathically it was on paramount
and in part 5 Since Myers Fell in the river and such his mask grew a bigger nose somehow and his hair grew instantly way longer too.
I cant see that one dude in anything other than Dazed and Confused.
Halloween 3 was amazing
This is the Halloween movie I find unique as well as different they keep Michael Dark as Dark as he was in the First 2 movies Michael returns and changes how he kills abit and the camara trick they started in H4 and kept doing in more Halloween movies like twice in H4 in gas station Michael appears and looks like he’s at a distance before Michael got his famous mask at the store when Loomas shoots at him he finds out it was a mirror trick somehow with myers face showing another time in H4 Jamie in her room saying her prayers and Myers appears in the Mirror to check out his target in a Thunder storm and used the same trick 2 times in H20 that mask sucked
I absolutely love that runky track a the end! O but I disagree, part 4 & 5 are awAY! Better than 6, provoking more childhood nostalty
I think the thorn storyline was a good premise and could have worked if you had better writers. I enjoyed it as a kid but I can see why people had issues with it. But honestly if he had good storytellers it could have worked in there pretty good
"Favorite since the original" dude the new Halloween mask, 2018 and beyond, looks like the first movie's mask has been sitting in an evidence locker for 40 years.
The Thorn storyline it mixed among Halloween fans
it is, but that is ok
we can all share ideas on how to fix it, rewrite it, retcon it, ignore it and scrap it
we got options
I prefer to analyse and fix it and rewrite it :) it has some good elements and moments, just mishandled, but my bias is Jamie Llyod is my Halloween final girl. I cant skip this trilogy.
I loved finally having answers
Tom Morga didn’t play Roy Burns, Dick Weand did. Morga was the stunt double
You could be confusing people. There was an actual Thorn trilogy. Damien Thorn the Omen trilogy
1, 2, 4 is the best trilogy. I like the Jamie Lloyd trilogy ('Thorn' is only in H6, foreshadowed in H5) but they did both the Jamie Lloyd character and Danielle Harris dirty in H6.
Strangely, I don't mind the H6 Producer's Cut, even though Jamie still gets offed. The incest is ballsy; the cult at least explains his supernatural powers after FIVE films; the end is refreshingly different.
The Weinsteins' 'Theatrical Cut' was a mess: less coherence, turned gory but convoluted, and the sanatorium showdown replacing the PC ending was a stupid cliffhanger. At least the P-cut tells a coherent story.
First killing, then retconning Jamie Lloyd out was dreadful, she's tied with Michael and Loomis as franchise star if you ask me. Much more compelling than Laurie Strode, and JLC herself pales before Danielle Harris.
They dropped the ball in truly abysmal fashion.
If anything, I'd like a sequel to H4, or a new follow-up to H5... Jamie Lloyd/Harris deserve another shot. All the other retcons and reboots were an annoyance. At least keep the 'reaction to Jamie's death' scene in H20.
An adult Jamie Lloyd in one final showdown beats any iteration of JLC/Laurie.
Does anyone else hear Lucky from Dr. Doolittle talking in this? Lol
What are the music of your Video?
The writer said Halloween 7 would of had the girl and boy killed and Tommy take the blame for Halloween six and find out the whole town is in on it
Maybe this is a hot take, but I mhch prefer Carpenter's original idea of an anthology series. Maybe they could've tried to seed interconnective tissue between original stories like shared supporting characters in order to maintain interest, but there's only so much you can do with what was originally a very self contained story.
I liked the THORN Storyline
i will forever, be grateful to debra hill, for giving us, our beloved series. however, learning that she was the reason that girard, directed 5. i have mixed emotions right now. we all make mistakes. but, that was a major, royal screw up.
Thron trilogy is still the best continuation of the timeline. H20, I've never been a fan of it. The tone and atmosphere is so off and odd. Resurrection is bad, but I find it dumb fun and don't hate it to the degree that most fans do. I actually enjoy it more than H20. Then we have the david gordon green trilogy ignoring the original H2 was a mistake imo. But halloween 2018 was good, not great, but good halloween kills was fine as a follow-up and 2nd entry. Then we have ends, which is a strong contender for the worst film in the franchise, which destroyed what could have been a decent trilogy.
4 is prime to me as a good Halloween sequel, then the rest killed it.
I still would have loved to see Myers in bandages then a white Data mask.
the bandages would look better than the mask used in H4
H4 mask is one of the worst masks in the franchise
the worst. Resurrection too@@ItsaKindOfMagic86
They could’ve made Michael Myers play into insidious the movie like he was in the dreamworld, and an evil spirit got into Michael
Is it really a “trilogy” though? Part 4 has absolutely nothing to do with thorn it’s not even mentioned it’s more of a two film thing I always get puzzled when people call it that because only 5 and 6 have thorn in it and it’s very minor in the 5th film as well it’s mostly just the curse of Michael myers.
They did show the thorn tattooed on Michael's inside wrist during part 4 somewhere
Where?
It is about Jamie and her connection to Michael. Which they should have paid that off in H6. But dropped the ball. H5 is to blame for the bad set up.
I do like the trilogy though, what it could have been had it been handled better.
I still want my H7 "the son of Michael Myers" I want it! 🔪🔪🔪
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They never showed or mentioned thorn in part 4
Halloween IV shouldn’t really be lumped-in with 5 and 6…
I was born in 1988, the year this trilogy started.
I feel bad for Carpenter. He literally just wanted a one and done slasher and the studios kept pushing for more.
All that money though I'm sure helps