That is text book on how not to log. The guy running the chain saw was rubbing it back and forth like it was a hand saw. Half of the trees were fell in a direction that would break then into as many peices as possible.
In Russia it is called "barbaric logging". It is forbidden to saw on the slopes of the ravines so that there is no soil erosion. Whoever does this goes to jail.
This is why logging should be managed by the right people!!what's wrong with people ??The greed for money is the problem and it's not the actual people that's doing the work it's the people that are on the other end!!
Nice display of the use of the Arch and winch the last two trees fell perfect, the first two looks like they had alot that broke off. Hard to fell a tree and not waste in that kind of terrain. Thanks for the video.
No it's not hard to not waste. We winch DF up almost vertical slopes. Every tree is saved to the tassle. I know the volume isn't in the tops, but you're only as good as your last job. Good arch setup tho. Slow dozer extracting on level ground. Wheel skidder... Guess they didn't have one.
Nasty ground but very poor falling that made it a lot more dangerous & wasted probably 30% the wood, You will get a lot of breakage but this was excessive. Oh & yes I log, mostly private ground. You would have to clean the debris out the creek & couldn't afford to loose that kind of money here in the US. Invest in a tree jack & somebody who knows how to use it. Loved the arch action, not how it was intended to be used (long skids usually with a bald face 7 or 8, they were used a lot in my area up until truck logging & rubber tired skidders made them obsolete) but it got enough lift to get the job done.
En français cet engin s'appelle une ''arche à roues''..... cela permet de traîner facilement les troncs d'arbres... beaucoup utilisé avant l'existence des ''skiders'' ces grands tracteurs à roues plus rapides que les bulls qui sont nécessaires dans les cas difficiles comme dans la video!!.. dans la vidéo la méthode évite que les troncs ne dévalent jusqu'au fond de la vallée lors de leur chute... malgré tout ils se détruisent à moitié!!!.; Bonne vidéo... travail périlleux pour l'abatteur!!..
The problem is insurance is so high that training a faller isn’t feasible. You are expected to know what to do….A cutter needs to produce for the company to stay afloat. This faller doesn’t need to be fired, he needs better training.
Okay, I'm no logger...but why not fell the trees uphill so they don't shatter like that? You could either turn them around as you winch them up the hill, or hell, just drag them top-first instead of butt-first.
+justforever96 Yeah, just like they did the trees at 5:30. Fell them towards the dozer, then winch the bases around as they go up the hill. Somehow I suspect that the commenters are right, and these guys are basically amateurs.
I was in the wood for years on saws horses winchs forwoder harvester hand turfer saw winch .you name it i did it. But the way that saw man was dorking a the butt of that tree with that saw bar ... whell that showed how good he was ... cut it and run behind a nother tree 😕... the tops of the trees all smash up .... what a wast of timber 😢....if the forster or my boss= contractor saw that wast of timber = p45 and kicked out of the wood ... for good😢... helo frpm ireland😉...
What a disgraceful exhibition of forestry cowboys trashing a woodland. The felled trees are smashed and their value much reduced, the loose soil on the steep sided gorge is disturbed and will be washed into the stream during the next rains, the ground vegetation is largely destroyed. If you wanted a demonstration of how NOT to harvest timber you could hardly find a better one.
Hé Gérald, Hé Tengo... si l'on fait de l'abattage libre les troncs descendent tout en bas et se détruisent complètement.... directionnel!!!!.... et quoi encore!!!...tous les deux vous parlez comme des pies!!!.. vous êtes des nuls.... Avec 25 hommes nous coupions 2500M3/mois!!!!.... je connais trés bien cela!!!...By.....
Wow, that place looks quite hard to fall timber in and get anything out of at all. Although not bad for the arch use, it didn't look large enough to get out a swing yarder if one was available.
i think this is terrible terrian to log in but the root of the tree hold the soil in place, they are not cutting the roots and stump out. by the time the roots decompose new trees are already established
Very poor logging techniques. You destroy more wood than you harvest and by clear cutting that hillside, that will lead to serious erosion and silting of downhill waterways. Unprofessional and one more thing...I LOVED the guy 'sawing' the tree with the chainsaw, lmao! That how you do that?!!! ha hah ha
the timber faller needs replaced. What a waste of timber by breaking it like that. At least your not logging bobtail with the cat and are using an arch. but what a waste. Ant idea how much footage you lost in the draw shattering it like that?
*I have lived in Wa., Or., and Idaho as a logger/and tree trucker for 30+ years. *I read the negative comments, and thought I would throw my two cents in. *This is a difficult and dangerous strip to log. *A video can be Very deceiving. *We do not know exactly where the land ownership, begins or ends, i.e. the cut line. Or what the contract states concerning trees felled onto private ground. *The faller is in a dangerous situation, [as usual] but here, he is even more so. *Steep ground, *Plus being "tied" to a cat, and another human/the cat skinner. Trust me,.. *it's On your mind. *Falling trees in steep terrain up hill where stumps are present. Will often cause the trees to become bound up between the stumps, when they are turned butt first as the are yarded. *We do not know if these trees will be saw logs for lumber, or chipped for pulp. (I've hauled many loads of nice "saw logs" to paper mills when the demand $ was high) * The video shows only 4 trees being felled, and one of them is 'schoolmarmed' near the top. *We do not know what debris/tops/limbs were left behind, nor how 'raked clean the finished strip was. *The rooted stumps will help with the erosion which will occur. But, again we do not know if, or what type of erosion control measures were put in place at the completion. *Trees are normally planted ASAP after logging, at a rate of 3 for every 1 harvested. * Private timber companies, private land owners, along with the National Forest Land and Timber Managers, do all they can to "Get It Right". Long gone are the days of "Rape And Pillage". Other than my rant; I must say; It was cool seeing an arch being used.
well thankyou very much for the good comment there are a lot of people out there who wipe their arse with plastic and all of those logs on that job went as export and pulp cheers
@ToxicHolocaust2050 one thing that we often misconcive is the fact that we humans are as natural as a bever or a deer we have taken the position of top of the food chain and to our dismay have made some poor choices leading to the depleation of some of our natural resources but timber always grows back it gows through stages like every thing like here in Maine our pioiner trees would be like aspen gray bearch and beach then once you have a canopy again you will get your climax species like pine hemlock spruce rock mapel yellow birch... by using good harvesting practice we can acually speed up the progress in a "climax" forest it took a long time to realize our faults as we are not perfect and like alot of things corprate intrest will always have intrest wich is where alot of the problems we can both verry much agree on arise but whipe you butt with hemp free tp with no fear the planet has been here for billions of years and its not gowing away any time soon and trees still grow every day I think the solution to our problem is education and responsible logging hemp is just not cost effective you would have every farmer in the us growing the stuff driving up the price of food please educate your self if you really care I my self am about probly 10th gen logger and up untill 40 years ago we could hardly make a dent on the forest now we can cover 200 acres a week with the rite rigging and put a hurting on the woods you better belive it but the industry is starting to squander at its own dismay things will run a cycle yes it will take time will we all die in the meantime no from logging i dont think perhaps we could divert some attention to the real problem at hand wich is america INC. and the corprate take over of this great land
That is text book on how not to log. The guy running the chain saw was rubbing it back and forth like it was a hand saw. Half of the trees were fell in a direction that would break then into as many peices as possible.
What are you on about mate, these bloke clearly know what their doing.
In Russia it is called "barbaric logging". It is forbidden to saw on the slopes of the ravines so that there is no soil erosion. Whoever does this goes to jail.
Just like invading a sovereign nation?
This is where Home Depot gets its 2x4 lumber. Only the best quality
Lol
This is why logging should be managed by the right people!!what's wrong with people ??The greed for money is the problem and it's not the actual people that's doing the work it's the people that are on the other end!!
Tight stuff for guys on the ground... rubbish trees? What a shit gully to work in.
They are slaughtering that timber! Man, I've never seen such wasted resource due to not knowing how to feel timber without total destruction!
Haven’t seen an arch since the ‘70’s.. used to work behind one in big lagoon
Hacks, pure and simple!
Nice display of the use of the Arch and winch the last two trees fell perfect, the first two looks like they had alot that broke off. Hard to fell a tree and not waste in that kind of terrain. Thanks for the video.
No it's not hard to not waste. We winch DF up almost vertical slopes. Every tree is saved to the tassle. I know the volume isn't in the tops, but you're only as good as your last job. Good arch setup tho. Slow dozer extracting on level ground. Wheel skidder... Guess they didn't have one.
Future landslide area this kind of cutting is nuts!
That was really cool to watch!
Really interesting !!
Never seen a vid with an arch!
Thanks for that
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Nasty ground but very poor falling that made it a lot more dangerous & wasted probably 30% the wood, You will get a lot of breakage but this was excessive.
Oh & yes I log, mostly private ground.
You would have to clean the debris out the creek & couldn't afford to loose that kind of money here in the US. Invest in a tree jack & somebody who knows how to use it.
Loved the arch action, not how it was intended to be used (long skids usually with a bald face 7 or 8, they were used a lot in my area up until truck logging & rubber tired skidders made them obsolete) but it got enough lift to get the job done.
En français cet engin s'appelle une ''arche à roues''..... cela permet de traîner facilement les troncs d'arbres... beaucoup utilisé avant l'existence des ''skiders'' ces grands tracteurs à roues plus rapides que les bulls qui sont nécessaires dans les cas difficiles comme dans la video!!.. dans la vidéo la méthode évite que les troncs ne dévalent jusqu'au fond de la vallée lors de leur chute... malgré tout ils se détruisent à moitié!!!.; Bonne vidéo... travail périlleux pour l'abatteur!!..
The problem is insurance is so high that training a faller isn’t feasible. You are expected to know what to do….A cutter needs to produce for the company to stay afloat. This faller doesn’t need to be fired, he needs better training.
Is it desirable to have the trees break into splinters when they fall?
if they are looking for chip wood, it is ok, all they have to do is make several trips to get one tree....
Aí sim que é trabalho de profissionais.
You can all that equipment to get two chopsticks good work safe God bless
Is that in florida?
Amazing bust o matic
They are leavin half the timber in the bush...wtf????
funny how every you tube commenter is an expert. If this is "the worst thing ever" you haven't see many logging operations.
TA
I'm sure the mill likes the busted up trees. Mulch?
What part of NZ?
Neat rig
Well that was a nice little gorge.
Okay, I'm no logger...but why not fell the trees uphill so they don't shatter like that? You could either turn them around as you winch them up the hill, or hell, just drag them top-first instead of butt-first.
+justforever96 Yeah, just like they did the trees at 5:30. Fell them towards the dozer, then winch the bases around as they go up the hill. Somehow I suspect that the commenters are right, and these guys are basically amateurs.
You rocket scientists give it a go ! Show em how it's done!
What is that you zoom in on in the beginning? I can't make it out.
A shot of just how steep it is. Plus a shot of trees felled and left across the waterway
I have a 7G, it never occurred to me to use it as a yarder.
I was in the wood for years on saws horses winchs forwoder harvester hand turfer saw winch .you name it i did it. But the way that saw man was dorking a the butt of that tree with that saw bar ... whell that showed how good he was ... cut it and run behind a nother tree 😕... the tops of the trees all smash up .... what a wast of timber 😢....if the forster or my boss= contractor saw that wast of timber = p45 and kicked out of the wood ... for good😢... helo frpm ireland😉...
This job was at Rewa between Cheltnam and Hunterville
Does anyone know where this is?
Good video
What a disgraceful exhibition of forestry cowboys trashing a woodland.
The felled trees are smashed and their value much reduced, the loose soil on the steep sided gorge is disturbed and will be washed into the stream during the next rains, the ground vegetation is largely destroyed.
If you wanted a demonstration of how NOT to harvest timber you could hardly find a better one.
+Tengooda You said it all. Damn, it is such a pain to watch this...
Hé Gérald, Hé Tengo... si l'on fait de l'abattage libre les troncs descendent tout en bas et se détruisent complètement.... directionnel!!!!.... et quoi encore!!!...tous les deux vous parlez comme des pies!!!.. vous êtes des nuls.... Avec 25 hommes nous coupions 2500M3/mois!!!!.... je connais trés bien cela!!!...By.....
Jean BERNEDE ya yuele ses mal fais Pi tu le ser!
Problem is the lost lumber from the trees breaking against the other side when felling.
Why are they damaging most of there logs
arh yes the farmers wood lot nice and steep
Faller is in some very tricky situations here... Nicely done.
Keep draggin that DIRT
Tough way to pay the light bill.
Looks like you have an short skid, always nice huh
I have fell Timber in Alaska. Cut trees down in Iraq. I wood not even finish watching this.
Cut a few myself,, FOB Prosperity next to Embassy
Do you cut your stumps 1.5 high like most yanks and your dopey humbolt scarves?
The fish and streams only speak when there gone.
Wow, that place looks quite hard to fall timber in and get anything out of at all. Although not bad for the arch use, it didn't look large enough to get out a swing yarder if one was available.
i think this is terrible terrian to log in but the root of the tree hold the soil in place, they are not cutting the roots and stump out. by the time the roots decompose new trees are already established
logging with the Flintstones. Kind of a cluster..., gents
The title should be " How not to harvest logs "
broke ever tree and raping the forest
Lots of know it alls in the comments. That looked very steep to me, I don't think the camera showed it that well
👍👍 mantaaaappp
Why mast this trees die???
where did they get these clowns ,,,
Barnum & Bailey.
They waste a lot of good wood
That was the first thing I said to myself when they fell. Would never step foot on my land leaving wood behind like that.
I ran a D7 with a rubber tired arch one summer but I never did anything that stupid.
Muy interesante, estoy relacionado a la explotación.
why not add more chokers if you gonna yard half a tree! wtf Batman
what a mess you call that logging
Sure ruined a lot of good logs playing cowboy.
thats cool as shit, great operating skills!
Wow I've seen a few arches but never had a chance to see them get used. And hats off to that faller. That is awefully dangerous down there.
buenas maquinas
There prob still working there
Impossible? Nothing is impossible!
Very poor logging techniques. You destroy more wood than you harvest and by clear cutting that hillside, that will lead to serious erosion and silting of downhill waterways. Unprofessional and one more thing...I LOVED the guy 'sawing' the tree with the chainsaw, lmao! That how you do that?!!! ha hah ha
Mike .R. He was yanking that chainsaw like a one man cross cut!
the timber faller needs replaced. What a waste of timber by breaking it like that. At least your not logging bobtail with the cat and are using an arch.
but what a waste. Ant idea how much footage you lost in the draw shattering it like that?
I agree with Mathewbanchero-cut trees and destory the land-talk about creating a washout-these trees were hold the soil. WTF
chur chur. please stay safe guys. kia ora from Levin
just a bit steep down in the gully and i could see somebody getting hurt.
Not their first time :)
wow now do u use the arch do retrive all the broken tops lol pffttt
If he fell them downhill he could haul alot more product to market
BUCHERS
this reminds me on "Lord of the Rings"
I'd let it go back to native, and plant the flat in pines.
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I don't think I would post this video. Very destructive of trees. Pull 1 at a time up hill while cutting and don't drop them over the valley that way.
7G sounds sweet. Good operator. far from nice ground down there. faller doing well
that dozer could pull 10 trees no sweat
cutting down those nice big trees for what? all broken up pieces
*I have lived in Wa., Or., and Idaho as a logger/and tree trucker for 30+ years.
*I read the negative comments, and thought I would throw my two cents in.
*This is a difficult and dangerous strip to log.
*A video can be Very deceiving.
*We do not know exactly where the land ownership, begins or ends, i.e. the cut line.
Or what the contract states concerning trees felled onto private ground.
*The faller is in a dangerous situation, [as usual] but here, he is even more so.
*Steep ground,
*Plus being "tied" to a cat, and another human/the cat skinner. Trust me,..
*it's On your mind.
*Falling trees in steep terrain up hill where stumps are present.
Will often cause the trees to become bound up between the stumps, when they are turned butt first as the are yarded.
*We do not know if these trees will be saw logs for lumber, or chipped for pulp. (I've hauled many loads of nice "saw logs" to paper mills when the demand $ was high)
* The video shows only 4 trees being felled, and one of them is 'schoolmarmed' near the top.
*We do not know what debris/tops/limbs were left behind, nor how 'raked clean the finished strip was.
*The rooted stumps will help with the erosion which will occur.
But, again we do not know if, or what type of erosion control measures were put in place at the completion.
*Trees are normally planted ASAP after logging, at a rate of 3 for every 1 harvested.
* Private timber companies, private land owners, along with the National Forest Land and Timber Managers, do all they can to "Get It Right". Long gone are the days of "Rape And Pillage".
Other than my rant;
I must say; It was cool seeing an arch being used.
well thankyou very much for the good comment there are a lot of people out there who wipe their arse with plastic and all of those logs on that job went as export and pulp cheers
@@foxpine You are very welcome.
Yo I got one too
The arch sure works.As for the rest....snooze.
boy this comment section is a warzone
So is that jobsite!
highly illegal haha
What part of this is illegal
typical truck driver knows everything never actually cut down a tree just there to haul them to town
Unsafe and unprofessional.
Lingen Zwei fucking stupid. Most of the product broke as it does falling down hill.…………
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@ToxicHolocaust2050 one thing that we often misconcive is the fact that we humans are as natural as a bever or a deer we have taken the position of top of the food chain and to our dismay have made some poor choices leading to the depleation of some of our natural resources but timber always grows back it gows through stages like every thing like here in Maine our pioiner trees would be like aspen gray bearch and beach then once you have a canopy again you will get your climax species like pine hemlock spruce rock mapel yellow birch... by using good harvesting practice we can acually speed up the progress in a "climax" forest it took a long time to realize our faults as we are not perfect and like alot of things corprate intrest will always have intrest wich is where alot of the problems we can both verry much agree on arise but whipe you butt with hemp free tp with no fear the planet has been here for billions of years and its not gowing away any time soon and trees still grow every day I think the solution to our problem is education and responsible logging hemp is just not cost effective you would have every farmer in the us growing the stuff driving up the price of food please educate your self if you really care I my self am about probly 10th gen logger and up untill 40 years ago we could hardly make a dent on the forest now we can cover 200 acres a week with the rite rigging and put a hurting on the woods you better belive it but the industry is starting to squander at its own dismay things will run a cycle yes it will take time will we all die in the meantime no from logging i dont think perhaps we could divert some attention to the real problem at hand wich is america INC. and the corprate take over of this great land
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Thats some bad falling
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Come on man that is low grade logging
that's one way to do it....
Not many good saw logs....most will be pulp.
They do not know how to log
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