COOL STORY BRO. When it seems like "EVERYONE" DISLIKES one person... I get sus... we all know better by now after the T-Ara incident. Don't believe this nonsense unless there are solid proof.
The fact that April dickriders still deny any bully happening meanwhile there’s literally videos on top of videos of them bullying Hyunjoo, infront of camera. Crazy
@@afearfuljeffrey9478 those malicious 'bullying proof' videos have been debunked by Knetz ages ago as just sensationalist content creators riding the hate train for views and money. so whose duck r u riding now? theirs? lol
@@MO-nj7tj Why would they need to be named? Don't you realize that it could put the victim in jeopardy? Like doxxing, be good with hacking, and leaking their addresses? These idols DO expect their fanbase to give them backlashes after they give names because these idols can't be bothered to fight their own battles.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
I think they just didn't like each other. Looking at Hyunjoo's personality during The Unit and the diary that Naeun's sister shared, it seems that Hyunjoo has a victim complex and tends to exaggerate small things like someone grazing her by accident and then saying she's "scared", it seems she just tries to make other people see that person as mean when it's definitely not true. But considering Naeun's diary, she also had motives to not be close or kind to Hyunjoo, maybe she limited herself to tolerate Hyunjoo as a work colleague, resulting in not caring too much about taking the wrong shoes or tumbler, had it been another member's possessions she maybe would've apologized more genuinely. Since she didn't like Hyunjoo's personality, she probably wasn't willing to put up with her attitude at times like when the kimbap incident happened, same goes for the rest of the members.
I don't know how many people here have lived in conditions like the girls described, I did for a good chunk of time and it was awful. Specially when you're young, you lost all privacy, been stress out all the time, you stop caring for others and just prioritize your time over anyone else. It's a recipe for a misunderstanding going to actual harassment, adults around those environment don't care for the kids just don't want to be bother. So I don't know which side is right but I can imagine both have truth in their claims, the real problem isn't them but the company's work and life conditions.
Seems like Hyunjoo was a brat and didn't like to be told what to do and didn't get along with anyone. Somin is seriously the nicest person. Rumors are rumors, and after the T-Ara incident, in going to place my bet on the majority, since all the girls have diff personalities and all got along instead of this one complainer.
@@RC-ud4qo Just remember we don't really know yet, so as with T-ara should have happen, it's better to support who you want without over criticized or giving hate to the other. It reminds me the AOA situation with Mina, not everything is black and white. Although I just talk from my own experiences.
@@Prios-by5sz the thing is that the ones believing or siding with hyunjoo are completely erading the "truth" in April's claims. Hyunjoo stated that she just wanted to be famous and got interested in the idols life when her friend (umji from GFriend) got street casted in front of her (and she didn't). That alone just shows she's an envious person so no, she IS the problem.
The way that Naeun admitted to many of the accusations in official legal/police documents and people are convinced Hyunjoo is another Hwayoung. Their evidence against Hyunjoo rests entirely in the fact that she had a hard time getting close to the other members… That’s how ostracizing someone works aint it? Y’all are like those teachers that assumed a bullied kid fighting back is the perpetrator because the bully is popular.
Hyunjoos 'friend' and sibling should not have made comments at all because they wrote about what Hyunjoo TOLD them, not about things they actually saw happen. I think Hyunjoo has some kind of childhood trauma that has made her unable to regulate her emotions, causing everything to be a bigger deal then it actually is. This attitude eventually took a toll on the members, because I imagine they had to have been walking on eggshells around her to keep her level headed and working in April. I think Hyunjoo truely believes that those girls werent nice to her, but I also think the girls were coworkers and working hard, and she was taking everything way harder than she needed to. Hyunjoo needs therapy, and the girls deserve justice for having their careers ruined.
Hyunjoo needed therapy even back then and DSP did not do enough to take care of her or the other members. Given that DSP did confirm a lot of the accusations i just find it so annoying how easily this all could’ve been avoided. DSP could’ve taught them how to be empathetic and Hyunjoo could’ve gone to therapy. Ostracism is indeed bullying and not justifiable just because the “girl with childhood trauma” acted weird, but it’s unrealistic to expect tweens and teens to behave maturely when adults don’t set a proper work environment. I think the response from some of the members is what made me not feel bad for them “loosing” fame (only Naeun was famous). It was obvious Hyunjoo did not intend on going public with any accusations given the fact that she was booked and busy at the time. But some people including some of the fans act like she master planned it all.
@@SpudhutCXrep I agree, the company definitely should have done more and stepped in to assist because they were adults and the idols are basically just children. I think too that this could have prevented a lot of issues, even if Hyunjoo had still decided to leave April!
@@SpudhutCXrep There was a Korean lawyer that literally said that two girls came to him a year ago asking what they could do about it. It was literally planned and it happened right after Naeun/April started to climb up on chart and Naeun was actually considered the it girl. If you read the reason why Hyunjoo wanted to be an idol you would understand she IS a very envious and insecure person even before April.
@@SpudhutCXrep actually DSP did provide them with mental health counseling services (provided by a third party company). Naeun and Chaewon had to undergo 6 months of therapy sessions due to work stress (probably mostly due to hyunjoo's misbehavior).
@@peonisie th-cam.com/video/W7sy4slPPsk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bfhKRD8aYaeofgHQ The first 3 minutes. She exaggerates details. Context they are both long time friends before this show and the fact that she is able to frame her friend in this light tells me that there is def more layers to the whole April situation. Disclaimer tho, Hyosun has come out publicly to say that they have remained friends after this programme and this is all in the past but this video is enough for me to determine that she is not the most reliable reporter.
it's pretty clear that u haven't read the content of that diary but only focus on the rumor going around about it. also, the cases were dropped. not lost. dropped case = no case = no court hearings = no court judgement. know the difference.
@@jorgeousssss haven't u heard the term "everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law'? The burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused. Hyunjoo is the one who has the moral and legal obligation to prove her accusations, not April members having to prove their innocence. so, until hyunjoo files a 'bullying' lawsuit against APRIL members and wins, APRIL members will remain innocent.
If you passed through auditions to become an idol, or got scouted, and received training, you are expected to take the position and job seriously. You may lack some experience or progression, so it is your job to ask your co-workers / peers, to may lend a hand on how to conquer an obstacle that you can't get through since this is a team effort. She has to pull through mutually, it's not just one sided where you expect lessons from your choreographer, or peers, speak up and ask. Be a decent human being, work hard, attend to every practice, attend to every music show performance, be on time, respect others, know your belongings and perhaps keep it with your reach of belongings with it being mixed up. All of these accusations is so baseless, no evidence whatsoever, if she left for mental health, she should've admitted herself to the hospital or clinic or institution and have a diagnose for it and receipt. Ain't no way you try to claim something, and then the whole group is going against you says something, one person does not represent the entire group, every member is their own, and they recall their true experiences with Hyunjoo. As for some elementary bullying, you f*cking took your sweet a** time to finally come out and claim that accusations. All these bullying accusations, pull up, show your name and face and receipts. dassit.
If u think all idols r nice decent human beings, u have to be the dumbest person alive. Ppl come out with bullying and SA accusations after many yrs cause they were too afraid to b4
I had a best friend who would have drama with everyone else in our friend group. And even when she goes and joins a new group of friends she will have drama with them too. I always took her side because she was my bff and just thought people didn't like her because she was very pretty. She always gets her way. But I start to question our friendship when she started having drama with her own sister! I was very close to her sister too (she is super nice and non dramatic) and start to realize is it really all these people that have drama with you or is it you who has the drama? Because all these other people are still very close friends except her and she would always bad mouth these people. Then I was like when is it going to be me that you will start drama with? So I just slowly stopped hanging out with her. Sometimes you just have to look at the whole picture....is it them or is it you cause it's like a pattern.
They even sued Hyunjoo and her brother seven times and lost all of them. Their stans keep trying to purposely spread misinformation and attack Hyunjoo on her ig account but the truth is that to this day the public hates this group. April and DSP sealed their fate/reputation from the moment they responded to the allegations. They confirmed everything her brother accused them of doing indirectly, insulting Hyunjoo to defend themselves and dismissed her suicide attempt in the coldest way possible.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
@@heyitsrosieyou’re projecting, the police found that the claims that Hyunjoo’s FRIEND made were false, Hyunjoo herself was never explicitly found to have purposefully lied about it. and no, most of of the arguments were not about it, they were about the fact that she attempted because of the animosity. April’s manager was a woman but there was a guy who was always seen as part of the staff who fans saw as a sort of manager, so, even then i kind of agree that it is a matter of words, Chaewon might’ve dated that guy and people might’ve seen him as a de facto manager.
@@SpudhutCXrep projecting what? Hyunjoo's FRIEND was repeating what HYUNJOO said to her. She was working with an important law firm that obviously knew the holes in the laws. That's why the claim was done by her brother and friend who pretended to not be her friend knowing the LAW would protect them and Hyunjoo.
I’m sorry it’s clear the group bullied her by the way they talk about her. They even admitted to doing some of the stuff she mentioned and then had a good story behind it. They’re all saying they were scared of her like be real, sure she’s annoying but she was the nicest in the group. Plus, naeuns diary already says what type of person she is especially that her sis bullied other ppl too.
@@Liquid_silver88the same can be said to you who's defending naeun tbh, the gp of korea sides with hyunjoo, just look up the facts of the case intead of blindly trusting these so called kpop news channels. They tried suing her and her younger minor brother at that time four times but they failed even when defamation cases can be won easily in korea. That sums up everything, doesnt it?
Girl, a lot of people unsubscribed from her yt channel when they found out that she lied and refused to come to court. She also started a rumor that their leader was dating their manager and caused them to be late for promotions. Also the court ruled that there wasn’t enough proof on either side.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
you left out a lot of details such as the final result of the re-investigation into the defamation case (7/7/22) which revealed that Hyunjoo was proven to have lied about the dating rumor and there was no evidence of bullying within the group's members. you also left out about the most recent news about an interview result of 5 former agency employees which testified against hyunjoo. i don't know if this is intentional on your part or you just haven't heard about these facts yet.
People who do this type of videos never do actual research some facts yall always miss - Hyundai and her friend consulted a law firm a year ago ( A lawyer on TH-cam talked about it) it was right when April/Nauen were taking off and getting popular which shows it was PLANNED. - They made her brother and friend go first because that way it would protect HYUNJOO from getting sued. She wasn't the one in first hand talking about it so she was the one doing the "defamation" do you get it? - The fact that she went with the narrative that Rachel and Chaekyung weren't bullies because they joined later is such a LIE considering that Chaekyung was living in the dorm with all of them before!! She's one of the oldest trainees. - They said Naeun was bullying hyunjo since 2012 and Naeun joined DSP in 2015 two month before the debut - They only LOST THE defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told theirs. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the defamation law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. - THE CASES WERE ONLY DROPPED NOT LOST DROPPED. - Chaewon called out the police for their biased and arbitrary decision, they didn't take their evidence, they didn't listen their witnesses, they didn't want to investigate anything and after that they re opened the case. - Charwon kept going cause because of hyunjoo's words saying she was dating the manager caused her harassment, name Callings and worse things said about her for that. - in 2022 Chaewon posted the police results that the rumour of her dating the manager was FALSE and that the bullying can't be proven false or true. - THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HYUNJOO BASED A LOT OF HER EVIDENCE ON THE LIE THAT CHAEWON WAS DATING THE MANAGER SO HE LET IT HAPPEN.
I think they don't get along tbh. Chaekyung and Rachel were added into the group later and they seemed getting along well compared with Hyunjoo. So, who knows since when they didn't get along and it must be have been something they pilled up. I always think that we can't get along with everyone but it must have been something they didn't say.
@@seeyou5191 in an interview they did say that they were scared of hyunjoo since she likes to accuse them of things that they never do and complained / reported it to the CEO. none of her accusations were proven true but it caused them mental distress for being accused like criminals. even the company's staff were hesitant to deal with her, moreover get close to her. they described her as a walking time bomb that could explode at any moment. so it makes sense if they didn't want to mix or having anything to do with her.
does anyone think that those incidents can be described as bullying, some stuff about shoes and a tumbler? Seriously? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. Regardless of being true or not, I think it should have not been given the attention , it just makes the concept of bullying feel cheap and unimportant. There has to be something wrong with korean society to make these petty incidents able to destroy careers. I do not think anyone committed a terrible crime, they should have never been canceled and they deserve to continue with their lives and their careers. As for Naeun, I wonder if the best thing to do is just do nothing. Every time she tried to do some damage control it just got worse.
There's a particular clip of Hyunjoo in Unit that if it wasn't caught by cameras, she would've or would be able to manipulate the narrative to tell people she was bullied by her competitor. She reacts dramatically to stuff. I don't know if it was just her personality that the smallest of things become a big deal when it comes to her.
I'm defending no one, so this is my opinion....... For me it seems like nobody really like hyunju in April for her exaggerating personality. But they are being too obvious and forget to pretend at some point. Now they can't take it back.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
April fans still here trying desperately act as if Hyunjoo had made it all up. Just by the "defense" of the company and the other members back then, you can already see that the accusations have truth in them, even they admit it even if it wasn't intentional . Stop pretending this case is similar to T-ara and AOA because is not. Also where were all these people when the group was still actively releasing music?
@@TaylorLeeKnowThey didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
I can’t help but pity everyone, the young girls probably were not taught to behave themselves and Hyunjoo already battled depression, depression can also make things seem worse that they are, DSP fucked the girls up by monitoring their weight more diligently than their chemistry as a group, I know that Jinsol was accused of being a bully in the singing school she studied at before right after debuting so it seems like no one in her life bothered to check up on her, happy people don’t bully. DSP should not have admitted that many of the incident did happen even if their intention was to argue that the girls did not mean harm, which is the most plausible scenario, but it did not do them any favors.
it's sad bcs even tho april not crazy popular, they slowly getting recognized. after almost 7 years debuted. they deserve better. without ignoring hyunjoo experience, i think all this happened only because they're so young that time. having to live social life early making them super sensitive. when other member trying to do their best to relay on each other, maybe hyunjoo find it harder. she just think member hate her when it just the other member putting more effort to trust each other. and with more time hyunjoo spend alone it just making them more apart than closer. i heard that time hyunjoo audition as actress, so when she departed from april i don't think much of it.
Hyunjoo started the rumor that their leader was dating their manager. they banned april because hyunjoo arrived late in the dream candy promotions and thats why there isn't a single muah vid.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
Honestly speaking...most of the time when issues oike this accur commentors often neglect using common sense and basic knowledge before commenting....No matter who is the person being accused either ordinary persons or public figure if its not proven and declared the accused guilty therefore we dont have the rights to labeled that persons of what she/he being accused of....thats basic knowledge....and by the way to those always say that in korea bullying is very big thing in their country is not true...not unless you become korean celebrity or public figured.....
Also, I am not the smartest person in the room, I am sure there are much smarter people in south korea. So if I start realising that by statistics it is just not possible that so many people in the entertainment industry were bullies in school, I am sure the smart people of south korea already realised that all these accusations cannot be all true. Or at least they cannot be all considered bullying. But here we are again. It is just absurd.
April was unknown and there career wad flopping If they spent there time buying albums instead of typing hate comments when your group said you had all the evidence and lost in court you know how easy it is for criminals to win a defamation suit even if its real
Ikr? This vid is clearly misreporting the issue. Naeun and her company tried to sue not once but 4 times of defamation against hyunjoo and her minor little brother and they lost when defamations cases can be won easily in korea, doesn't that says a lot? And fans still insists that naeun's innocent while theyre also actively harrassing and bullying hyunjoo on her ig just like their idol
Tbh at the end of the video they said that hyunjoo was sued 7 times.Its hard to win these kind of cases as most of the bullying are not recorded and they are looking for evidence. This whole case is not that black and white but here in korea they do disliked them
Hyunjoo and her friend consulted a law firm a year ago ( A lawyer on TH-cam talked about it) it was right when April/Nauen were taking off and getting popular which shows it was PLANNED. - They made her brother and friend go first because that way it would protect HYUNJOO from getting sued. She wasn't the one in first hand talking about it so she was the one doing the "defamation" do you get it? - The fact that she went with the narrative that Rachel and Chaekyung weren't bullies because they joined later is such a LIE considering that Chaekyung was living in the dorm with all of them before!! She's one of the oldest trainees. - They said Naeun was bullying hyunjo since 2012 and Naeun joined DSP in 2015 two month before the debut - They only LOST THE defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told theirs. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the defamation law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. - THE CASES WERE ONLY DROPPED NOT LOST DROPPED. - Chaewon called out the police for their biased and arbitrary decision, they didn't take their evidence, they didn't listen their witnesses, they didn't want to investigate anything and after that they re opened the case.
@@flouriteeyes2241They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
@@yogiye2501They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
I am always on April's side, like who the heck made a TH-cam channel when this situation became big. It's clear she wanted to monopoly all of the fame from it. She always skipped practice and missed lots of activities, especially during Tinkerbell promotions which caused the members to miss all of the opportunities and have to cancel most of their promotions. If the members are mad at her because of this, this is not bully but she needs to be professional while working! Because of her, the entire team have to suffer. She shouldn't do this in the first place. She also deletes most of our comments when people keep asking her for the truth, but she can't even make a single video about it but April members like Chaewon did. She shouldn't hide it if she were the victim in the first place. All of us can see that most April members get along with each other but not Hyunjoo. This is because how can you be close to her if she doesn't even stay in the dorm, skip practices including skip group activities. They don't interact that much but still, we can see the other members tried their best to be close to her. I hope she can tell the truth instead of hiding. Because of her fake claims, she destroyed not 1 but 6 wonderful souls who are hardworking, kind and ambitious and Hyunjoo needs to learn from them. She always plays the victim card well. Even in the UNI-T, we can see Hyosun just bump her a bit, she immediately act like she's hurt like COME ON!!
but we still don't know what is true and what is a lie. Why are they trying to excuse Naeun in the comments? bro you don't know if she's a bully or not, stress or personal problems are not excuses to bully.
Sometimes, I do wonder if the bullying allegations were true, why don't they all just apologize to the victims they've hurt to give them all the closure they deserve? Running away, denying what you did, AND abusing your rich status by taking legal actions because you know regular citizen don't have the money to afford a lawyer will only make things worst and make you look bad. This isn't how you respond to these accusations against you. It'll give you the side-eyes, and make the people around you have trust issues.
Well because if they apologize then they’re not allegations. You don’t apologize for something you don’t do. You get a lawyer to defend you for something you didn’t do or are accused of. Apologizing wouldn’t have helped. They were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. Esp when you have a group like T-ara who said nothing, did nothing in the wake of allegations, and their career was screwed anyway only to find out their accuser was a liar years later. These girls did the opposite trying to defend themselves and their career was screwed anyway. There’s no winning for anyone involved.
@@InevitableAgent What you said on the first part doesn't make any sense. Of course it's no longer allegations, because it's TRUE now. Actually, I'd apologize for all the shit I've done to the people I've to set the record straight and to give everyone the closure they all deserve. I don't expect any forgiveness and I can understand and respect the fact if people hate me for the all the reasons I've done to them. I want to do better than my abusers/bullies who couldn't apologize and acknowledge their wrong doings back and continues life not giving a single F while I live my life being traumatized everyday. This is why everyone generally hates celebrities. Even I do too, I'll always side with the non celebrity victim first because I know all of you will D-ride these idols immediately despite all evidences out there where they're not always innocent as they seem.
@InevitableAgent Didn't the leader say it was true that they all hated the former member tho? Even if the former member sounds like she lied because of the details not matching, I believe her because complex ptsd results in memory loss.
@@elenaasi3960 I honestly don’t care. I’m responding to the comment that they did wrong by not apologizing and getting a lawyer. But when you’re accused of something and need to defend yourself, you get a lawyer and they shouldn’t be criticized for doing so.
As much I loved April song, but in my opinion is : - Is HJ innocent/Nice? No - Is April Member Innocent? No What I can see, HJ really did not get along with the members so April member ended up bullying her without them realizing it. But what the reason? Well I think because HJ is also the problem. HJ is the problem in the group, and April members did not handled this situation very well and leads to bullying her. Did HJ guilty? Yes Did April members guilty? Also yes.
Can we please not bring this situation up again… Naeun and April were innocent, and Hyunjoo is the one who got blacklisted from the industry. That tells me all I need to know. End of story. The members are trying to move on from these false bullying rumors… so please stop dragging Naeun’s name through the mud again after years have already passed… 🫠
That is Naeun is trying to comeback to the entertainment world which makes people angry as she wasn’t able to prove that she wasn’t a bully. In korea now they talk about her quite a lot
@@yogiye2501 Oh, come on. I’m pretty sure most of the Koreans were on her and the other April members’ side towards the end. I remember Hyunjoo got cancelled a long time ago for a different scandal. Also, Hyunjoo’s friend admitted to helping her create fake rumors to bring down the other members. 😒 And what do you mean Naeun’s trying to return? She never left the industry… she just had a few small roles in dramas over the years. This whole situation is so similar to AOA’s Mina and Jimin… people need to wake up already and stop being deceived over and over again.
@@dhglowlightbluecome back to reality..Naeun is struggling to make a comeback and. That's the reality...just because of her appearance in one of the famous youtuber's video..that youtuber is getting cancelled now ..people are even cancelling the ones who are associating with Naeun
@@yogiye2501 people who think/believe or has the mindset that 'Naeun should prove that she wasn't a bully' is the root of the problem. it shows that they lack the basic understanding of how the law works. in the eyes of the law, this mindset violates these basic law principles: 1. the burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused. so hyunjoo is the one who has the moral and legal obligation to prove her accusations as the truth. not Naeun having to prove that she wasn't a bully. 2. everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. so until hyunjoo sues Naeun and wins in court, Naeun is by default innocent.
Honestly? It feels like this is a very messy situation thats not as black and white as people on "both sides" are putting it. Theres so much pressure put on young people as idols and trainees and it seems like little help to reseolve conflict or take breaks and centre mental heath im not surprised stores like this are common
april didn’t bully that girl. so many staff members have come up on the last 2-3 days sharing what truly happened. the april members just weren’t close to hyunjoo and hyunjoo didn’t want to get close to them from the very beginning. they had some squabbles yes but nothing about it was bullying. plus it’s been known that hyunjoo has a nasty attitude and she was exposed for being a bully in school, where’s the outrage with that?
April did not bully her, I feel it's just a misunderstanding. She's skipped practices a lot, group activities and more and of course, the members said that they were upset because most of their hard work was destroyed and wasted. Imagine you can't perform due to 1 member missing! Besides, who the heck made a TH-cam channel when this situation became huge, it's clear she wanted to scrap all the fame. She doesn't even post any single video regarding this issue except for April members like Chaewon. She just keeps quiet and pretends nothing ever happens. In the UNIT, you can even see she got "hit" by Hyosun but it's just a tiny bump., but she act like she's hurt so much like COME ON!!
@@kimimiralte3787yes They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law. It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law. Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
I dont understand why something like bullying can ruin someone's while career. Like i get it if the victim got physically bullied or on the verge or harm. But ive been severely bullied, but i do not wish downfall on my bullied no matter if they were a artist/actor or something big. Most get bullied, a lot of people bully without wanting their victim to harm themselves. I honestly think its dumb
@@tracyyamah1870 i mean cmon, be a bit hard on yourself. Life aint ease and you cant just go ruining somones life cus they made fun of you. If they severely hurt, like beat up their victim etc, yes i get it. But some comments here n there should never be enough for you to ruin someone's life and career over fucking youth/teen years. We ALL make mistakes in our youth, it doesnt mean it should ruin our future .. like cmon
@@miow3597 depends, I've heard that in Korea the bullying is different and one thing I agree is how some people can be s€x 0ff€nder and can keep their career, but people who got accused people for no reason get horrible treatment
@@L.G.127 sx offenders or people of that kind should 10/10 lose their career. But people who bully? Definitely depends on how they bully. If they spread intimate pics etc, definitely lose their career. But to call someone names etc, like thats not good enough "reason" for them to lose their career. So how they bully, the severity etc into consideration. But just plain bully, thats not "severe" etc i think is plain stupid.
Koreans are the biggest snowflakes alive. Omg, I can not imagine "omg you kicked my desk and cursed at me when I was 10" and now thar haunts me forever. Wtf is wring with people, there are literal children being abused by adults and parents and THIS is what haunts you
We don't really know what actually happened between them. But it is still making me sad, because I like April and follow them since their debut, untill they disbanded 🥲
The way that Naeun admitted to many of the accusations in official legal/police documents and people are convinced Hyunjoo is another Hwayoung. Their evidence against Hyunjoo rests entirely in the fact that she had a hard time getting close to the other members… That’s how ostracizing someone works aint it? Y’all are like those teachers that assumed a bullied kid fighting back is the perpetrator because the bully is popular.
Naeun never admitted to any of the accusations. none of them do. in fact they all refuted the accusations by presenting solid proofs and witnesses while hyunjoo never presented anything / anyone other than her words. stop creating and spreading lies.
@@chuuu4610 10 times? lmao where did u get all these nonsense? the defamation cases were dropped. meaning she hasn't won any of them either. if she has had credible proof to support her accusations, she would've sued the other members. she never did.
COOL STORY BRO. When it seems like "EVERYONE" DISLIKES one person... I get sus... we all know better by now after the T-Ara incident. Don't believe this nonsense unless there are solid proof.
That's my thought exactly. Bud just rode on T-Ara incident for views which doesn't last lol
T-Ara, AOA, Soojin, Garam……the list goes on. You’d think people would learn by now not to take sides when we don’t have all the info.
And aoa
The fact that April dickriders still deny any bully happening meanwhile there’s literally videos on top of videos of them bullying Hyunjoo, infront of camera. Crazy
@@afearfuljeffrey9478 those malicious 'bullying proof' videos have been debunked by Knetz ages ago as just sensationalist content creators riding the hate train for views and money. so whose duck r u riding now? theirs? lol
one thing i can say.. if someone accused someone of bullying.. they need to be named so we can search everything about them.
even kim garam is fake..
@@MO-nj7tj Why would they need to be named? Don't you realize that it could put the victim in jeopardy? Like doxxing, be good with hacking, and leaking their addresses? These idols DO expect their fanbase to give them backlashes after they give names because these idols can't be bothered to fight their own battles.
Is it tbh we don’t know
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
I think they just didn't like each other. Looking at Hyunjoo's personality during The Unit and the diary that Naeun's sister shared, it seems that Hyunjoo has a victim complex and tends to exaggerate small things like someone grazing her by accident and then saying she's "scared", it seems she just tries to make other people see that person as mean when it's definitely not true. But considering Naeun's diary, she also had motives to not be close or kind to Hyunjoo, maybe she limited herself to tolerate Hyunjoo as a work colleague, resulting in not caring too much about taking the wrong shoes or tumbler, had it been another member's possessions she maybe would've apologized more genuinely. Since she didn't like Hyunjoo's personality, she probably wasn't willing to put up with her attitude at times like when the kimbap incident happened, same goes for the rest of the members.
I don't know how many people here have lived in conditions like the girls described, I did for a good chunk of time and it was awful. Specially when you're young, you lost all privacy, been stress out all the time, you stop caring for others and just prioritize your time over anyone else. It's a recipe for a misunderstanding going to actual harassment, adults around those environment don't care for the kids just don't want to be bother. So I don't know which side is right but I can imagine both have truth in their claims, the real problem isn't them but the company's work and life conditions.
Seems like Hyunjoo was a brat and didn't like to be told what to do and didn't get along with anyone. Somin is seriously the nicest person. Rumors are rumors, and after the T-Ara incident, in going to place my bet on the majority, since all the girls have diff personalities and all got along instead of this one complainer.
@@RC-ud4qo Just remember we don't really know yet, so as with T-ara should have happen, it's better to support who you want without over criticized or giving hate to the other. It reminds me the AOA situation with Mina, not everything is black and white. Although I just talk from my own experiences.
@@Prios-by5sz the thing is that the ones believing or siding with hyunjoo are completely erading the "truth" in April's claims. Hyunjoo stated that she just wanted to be famous and got interested in the idols life when her friend (umji from GFriend) got street casted in front of her (and she didn't). That alone just shows she's an envious person so no, she IS the problem.
The way that Naeun admitted to many of the accusations in official legal/police documents and people are convinced Hyunjoo is another Hwayoung. Their evidence against Hyunjoo rests entirely in the fact that she had a hard time getting close to the other members… That’s how ostracizing someone works aint it?
Y’all are like those teachers that assumed a bullied kid fighting back is the perpetrator because the bully is popular.
Hyunjoos 'friend' and sibling should not have made comments at all because they wrote about what Hyunjoo TOLD them, not about things they actually saw happen. I think Hyunjoo has some kind of childhood trauma that has made her unable to regulate her emotions, causing everything to be a bigger deal then it actually is. This attitude eventually took a toll on the members, because I imagine they had to have been walking on eggshells around her to keep her level headed and working in April. I think Hyunjoo truely believes that those girls werent nice to her, but I also think the girls were coworkers and working hard, and she was taking everything way harder than she needed to. Hyunjoo needs therapy, and the girls deserve justice for having their careers ruined.
Hyunjoo needed therapy even back then and DSP did not do enough to take care of her or the other members. Given that DSP did confirm a lot of the accusations i just find it so annoying how easily this all could’ve been avoided. DSP could’ve taught them how to be empathetic and Hyunjoo could’ve gone to therapy.
Ostracism is indeed bullying and not justifiable just because the “girl with childhood trauma” acted weird, but it’s unrealistic to expect tweens and teens to behave maturely when adults don’t set a proper work environment.
I think the response from some of the members is what made me not feel bad for them “loosing” fame (only Naeun was famous). It was obvious Hyunjoo did not intend on going public with any accusations given the fact that she was booked and busy at the time. But some people including some of the fans act like she master planned it all.
@@SpudhutCXrep I agree, the company definitely should have done more and stepped in to assist because they were adults and the idols are basically just children. I think too that this could have prevented a lot of issues, even if Hyunjoo had still decided to leave April!
@@SpudhutCXrep There was a Korean lawyer that literally said that two girls came to him a year ago asking what they could do about it. It was literally planned and it happened right after Naeun/April started to climb up on chart and Naeun was actually considered the it girl. If you read the reason why Hyunjoo wanted to be an idol you would understand she IS a very envious and insecure person even before April.
@@SpudhutCXrep actually DSP did provide them with mental health counseling services (provided by a third party company). Naeun and Chaewon had to undergo 6 months of therapy sessions due to work stress (probably mostly due to hyunjoo's misbehavior).
That video from the survival show the unit told me all I needed to know about hyunjoo, just sayin
Which video please?
@@peonisie th-cam.com/video/W7sy4slPPsk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bfhKRD8aYaeofgHQ The first 3 minutes. She exaggerates details. Context they are both long time friends before this show and the fact that she is able to frame her friend in this light tells me that there is def more layers to the whole April situation.
Disclaimer tho, Hyosun has come out publicly to say that they have remained friends after this programme and this is all in the past but this video is enough for me to determine that she is not the most reliable reporter.
Yeah, I grew to know Hyungjoo through The Unit, and she's a bit of a gaslighter and has a victim complex.
@@nikkishy3024 tysm but omg????????? I'm so shocked, what kind of behavior is this wtf 💀💀💀
@@peonisie And this is her knowing there are cameras around... 🫠 It's scary really
They all lost there cases trying to sue hyunjoo it pretty clear and her sister didn't help her with that diary
it's pretty clear that u haven't read the content of that diary but only focus on the rumor going around about it. also, the cases were dropped. not lost. dropped case = no case = no court hearings = no court judgement. know the difference.
@@malleusmaleficarum5455 That doesn't mean they're innocent, basically as the video says we still don't know what's true and what's not.
@@jorgeousssss haven't u heard the term "everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law'? The burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused. Hyunjoo is the one who has the moral and legal obligation to prove her accusations, not April members having to prove their innocence. so, until hyunjoo files a 'bullying' lawsuit against APRIL members and wins, APRIL members will remain innocent.
If you passed through auditions to become an idol, or got scouted, and received training, you are expected to take the position and job seriously. You may lack some experience or progression, so it is your job to ask your co-workers / peers, to may lend a hand on how to conquer an obstacle that you can't get through since this is a team effort. She has to pull through mutually, it's not just one sided where you expect lessons from your choreographer, or peers, speak up and ask. Be a decent human being, work hard, attend to every practice, attend to every music show performance, be on time, respect others, know your belongings and perhaps keep it with your reach of belongings with it being mixed up. All of these accusations is so baseless, no evidence whatsoever, if she left for mental health, she should've admitted herself to the hospital or clinic or institution and have a diagnose for it and receipt. Ain't no way you try to claim something, and then the whole group is going against you says something, one person does not represent the entire group, every member is their own, and they recall their true experiences with Hyunjoo.
As for some elementary bullying, you f*cking took your sweet a** time to finally come out and claim that accusations. All these bullying accusations, pull up, show your name and face and receipts. dassit.
If u think all idols r nice decent human beings, u have to be the dumbest person alive. Ppl come out with bullying and SA accusations after many yrs cause they were too afraid to b4
I had a best friend who would have drama with everyone else in our friend group. And even when she goes and joins a new group of friends she will have drama with them too. I always took her side because she was my bff and just thought people didn't like her because she was very pretty. She always gets her way. But I start to question our friendship when she started having drama with her own sister! I was very close to her sister too (she is super nice and non dramatic) and start to realize is it really all these people that have drama with you or is it you who has the drama? Because all these other people are still very close friends except her and she would always bad mouth these people. Then I was like when is it going to be me that you will start drama with? So I just slowly stopped hanging out with her. Sometimes you just have to look at the whole picture....is it them or is it you cause it's like a pattern.
thats really fucked up .. but when that robot voice said "commit ass" I lost it 😂😂😂😂😂
They even sued Hyunjoo and her brother seven times and lost all of them. Their stans keep trying to purposely spread misinformation and attack Hyunjoo on her ig account but the truth is that to this day the public hates this group. April and DSP sealed their fate/reputation from the moment they responded to the allegations. They confirmed everything her brother accused them of doing indirectly, insulting Hyunjoo to defend themselves and dismissed her suicide attempt in the coldest way possible.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
@@heyitsrosieyou’re projecting, the police found that the claims that Hyunjoo’s FRIEND made were false, Hyunjoo herself was never explicitly found to have purposefully lied about it. and no, most of of the arguments were not about it, they were about the fact that she attempted because of the animosity. April’s manager was a woman but there was a guy who was always seen as part of the staff who fans saw as a sort of manager, so, even then i kind of agree that it is a matter of words, Chaewon might’ve dated that guy and people might’ve seen him as a de facto manager.
@@SpudhutCXrep projecting what? Hyunjoo's FRIEND was repeating what HYUNJOO said to her. She was working with an important law firm that obviously knew the holes in the laws. That's why the claim was done by her brother and friend who pretended to not be her friend knowing the LAW would protect them and Hyunjoo.
I’m sorry it’s clear the group bullied her by the way they talk about her. They even admitted to doing some of the stuff she mentioned and then had a good story behind it. They’re all saying they were scared of her like be real, sure she’s annoying but she was the nicest in the group. Plus, naeuns diary already says what type of person she is especially that her sis bullied other ppl too.
It's so sad how fools like you are easily convinced. "Hyunjoo is so sweet" stfu. You don't know her
@@Liquid_silver88the same can be said to you who's defending naeun tbh, the gp of korea sides with hyunjoo, just look up the facts of the case intead of blindly trusting these so called kpop news channels. They tried suing her and her younger minor brother at that time four times but they failed even when defamation cases can be won easily in korea. That sums up everything, doesnt it?
Girl, a lot of people unsubscribed from her yt channel when they found out that she lied and refused to come to court. She also started a rumor that their leader was dating their manager and caused them to be late for promotions. Also the court ruled that there wasn’t enough proof on either side.
@flouriteeyes2241 yup you figured it out You should be on their team!
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
you left out a lot of details such as the final result of the re-investigation into the defamation case (7/7/22) which revealed that Hyunjoo was proven to have lied about the dating rumor and there was no evidence of bullying within the group's members. you also left out about the most recent news about an interview result of 5 former agency employees which testified against hyunjoo. i don't know if this is intentional on your part or you just haven't heard about these facts yet.
People who do this type of videos never do actual research some facts yall always miss
- Hyundai and her friend consulted a law firm a year ago ( A lawyer on TH-cam talked about it) it was right when April/Nauen were taking off and getting popular which shows it was PLANNED.
- They made her brother and friend go first because that way it would protect HYUNJOO from getting sued. She wasn't the one in first hand talking about it so she was the one doing the "defamation" do you get it?
- The fact that she went with the narrative that Rachel and Chaekyung weren't bullies because they joined later is such a LIE considering that Chaekyung was living in the dorm with all of them before!! She's one of the oldest trainees.
- They said Naeun was bullying hyunjo since 2012 and Naeun joined DSP in 2015 two month before the debut
- They only LOST THE defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told theirs. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the defamation law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
- THE CASES WERE ONLY DROPPED NOT LOST DROPPED.
- Chaewon called out the police for their biased and arbitrary decision, they didn't take their evidence, they didn't listen their witnesses, they didn't want to investigate anything and after that they re opened the case.
- Charwon kept going cause because of hyunjoo's words saying she was dating the manager caused her harassment, name Callings and worse things said about her for that.
- in 2022 Chaewon posted the police results that the rumour of her dating the manager was FALSE and that the bullying can't be proven false or true.
- THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HYUNJOO BASED A LOT OF HER EVIDENCE ON THE LIE THAT CHAEWON WAS DATING THE MANAGER SO HE LET IT HAPPEN.
1:49 i was there, international fans were cancelling naeun and freaking out on other social media...
I think they don't get along tbh. Chaekyung and Rachel were added into the group later and they seemed getting along well compared with Hyunjoo. So, who knows since when they didn't get along and it must be have been something they pilled up. I always think that we can't get along with everyone but it must have been something they didn't say.
in videos they seem not get along well . not trying to mix with hyunjoo
@@seeyou5191 in an interview they did say that they were scared of hyunjoo since she likes to accuse them of things that they never do and complained / reported it to the CEO. none of her accusations were proven true but it caused them mental distress for being accused like criminals. even the company's staff were hesitant to deal with her, moreover get close to her. they described her as a walking time bomb that could explode at any moment. so it makes sense if they didn't want to mix or having anything to do with her.
does anyone think that those incidents can be described as bullying, some stuff about shoes and a tumbler? Seriously? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. Regardless of being true or not, I think it should have not been given the attention , it just makes the concept of bullying feel cheap and unimportant. There has to be something wrong with korean society to make these petty incidents able to destroy careers. I do not think anyone committed a terrible crime, they should have never been canceled and they deserve to continue with their lives and their careers. As for Naeun, I wonder if the best thing to do is just do nothing. Every time she tried to do some damage control it just got worse.
There's a particular clip of Hyunjoo in Unit that if it wasn't caught by cameras, she would've or would be able to manipulate the narrative to tell people she was bullied by her competitor. She reacts dramatically to stuff. I don't know if it was just her personality that the smallest of things become a big deal when it comes to her.
The lee hyunju girl just sounds like a drama Queen
She does seem like it if you watched her bits in Uni.T
I'm defending no one, so this is my opinion.......
For me it seems like nobody really like hyunju in April for her exaggerating personality. But they are being too obvious and forget to pretend at some point. Now they can't take it back.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
Naeun played a character who was bullied. That must’ve been so hurtful to the real victims of Naeun. 💔
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
April fans still here trying desperately act as if Hyunjoo had made it all up. Just by the "defense" of the company and the other members back then, you can already see that the accusations have truth in them, even they admit it even if it wasn't intentional . Stop pretending this case is similar to T-ara and AOA because is not. Also where were all these people when the group was still actively releasing music?
Sounds like your not Asians.
Exactly. I’m supporting the K netizens in here.
@@TaylorLeeKnowThey didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
Exactly
@@pinkvelvet6405 what Hyunjoo say wa fishy tho
I can’t help but pity everyone, the young girls probably were not taught to behave themselves and Hyunjoo already battled depression, depression can also make things seem worse that they are, DSP fucked the girls up by monitoring their weight more diligently than their chemistry as a group, I know that Jinsol was accused of being a bully in the singing school she studied at before right after debuting so it seems like no one in her life bothered to check up on her, happy people don’t bully.
DSP should not have admitted that many of the incident did happen even if their intention was to argue that the girls did not mean harm, which is the most plausible scenario, but it did not do them any favors.
it's sad bcs even tho april not crazy popular, they slowly getting recognized. after almost 7 years debuted. they deserve better.
without ignoring hyunjoo experience, i think all this happened only because they're so young that time. having to live social life early making them super sensitive. when other member trying to do their best to relay on each other, maybe hyunjoo find it harder. she just think member hate her when it just the other member putting more effort to trust each other. and with more time hyunjoo spend alone it just making them more apart than closer.
i heard that time hyunjoo audition as actress, so when she departed from april i don't think much of it.
This is a case that still makes me wonder who was the victim
They give me mean girsl vibe since day one ,with time i saw why ! I believe the victim girl as her statements got proven by themselves.
Hyunjoo started the rumor that their leader was dating their manager. they banned april because hyunjoo arrived late in the dream candy promotions and thats why there isn't a single muah vid.
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
Honestly speaking...most of the time when issues oike this accur commentors often neglect using common sense and basic knowledge before commenting....No matter who is the person being accused either ordinary persons or public figure if its not proven and declared the accused guilty therefore we dont have the rights to labeled that persons of what she/he being accused of....thats basic knowledge....and by the way to those always say that in korea bullying is very big thing in their country is not true...not unless you become korean celebrity or public figured.....
Also, I am not the smartest person in the room, I am sure there are much smarter people in south korea. So if I start realising that by statistics it is just not possible that so many people in the entertainment industry were bullies in school, I am sure the smart people of south korea already realised that all these accusations cannot be all true. Or at least they cannot be all considered bullying. But here we are again. It is just absurd.
April was unknown and there career wad flopping If they spent there time buying albums instead of typing hate comments when your group said you had all the evidence and lost in court you know how easy it is for criminals to win a defamation suit even if its real
Ikr? This vid is clearly misreporting the issue. Naeun and her company tried to sue not once but 4 times of defamation against hyunjoo and her minor little brother and they lost when defamations cases can be won easily in korea, doesn't that says a lot? And fans still insists that naeun's innocent while theyre also actively harrassing and bullying hyunjoo on her ig just like their idol
Tbh at the end of the video they said that hyunjoo was sued 7 times.Its hard to win these kind of cases as most of the bullying are not recorded and they are looking for evidence. This whole case is not that black and white but here in korea they do disliked them
Hyunjoo and her friend consulted a law firm a year ago ( A lawyer on TH-cam talked about it) it was right when April/Nauen were taking off and getting popular which shows it was PLANNED.
- They made her brother and friend go first because that way it would protect HYUNJOO from getting sued. She wasn't the one in first hand talking about it so she was the one doing the "defamation" do you get it?
- The fact that she went with the narrative that Rachel and Chaekyung weren't bullies because they joined later is such a LIE considering that Chaekyung was living in the dorm with all of them before!! She's one of the oldest trainees.
- They said Naeun was bullying hyunjo since 2012 and Naeun joined DSP in 2015 two month before the debut
- They only LOST THE defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told theirs. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the defamation law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
- THE CASES WERE ONLY DROPPED NOT LOST DROPPED.
- Chaewon called out the police for their biased and arbitrary decision, they didn't take their evidence, they didn't listen their witnesses, they didn't want to investigate anything and after that they re opened the case.
@@flouriteeyes2241They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
@@yogiye2501They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
it girl lee naeun you will always be famous.
Gumiho, is that your real voice or AI? I just wanna know, because you do sound like an AI.
Yes it’s ai voice, when I used my real voice people said they couldn’t understand my accent
@@gumihoi I see. Thanks for clearing my doubts.😊
I am always on April's side, like who the heck made a TH-cam channel when this situation became big. It's clear she wanted to monopoly all of the fame from it. She always skipped practice and missed lots of activities, especially during Tinkerbell promotions which caused the members to miss all of the opportunities and have to cancel most of their promotions.
If the members are mad at her because of this, this is not bully but she needs to be professional while working! Because of her, the entire team have to suffer. She shouldn't do this in the first place.
She also deletes most of our comments when people keep asking her for the truth, but she can't even make a single video about it but April members like Chaewon did. She shouldn't hide it if she were the victim in the first place.
All of us can see that most April members get along with each other but not Hyunjoo. This is because how can you be close to her if she doesn't even stay in the dorm, skip practices including skip group activities. They don't interact that much but still, we can see the other members tried their best to be close to her.
I hope she can tell the truth instead of hiding. Because of her fake claims, she destroyed not 1 but 6 wonderful souls who are hardworking, kind and ambitious and Hyunjoo needs to learn from them. She always plays the victim card well. Even in the UNI-T, we can see Hyosun just bump her a bit, she immediately act like she's hurt like COME ON!!
but we still don't know what is true and what is a lie. Why are they trying to excuse Naeun in the comments? bro you don't know if she's a bully or not, stress or personal problems are not excuses to bully.
Sometimes, I do wonder if the bullying allegations were true, why don't they all just apologize to the victims they've hurt to give them all the closure they deserve? Running away, denying what you did, AND abusing your rich status by taking legal actions because you know regular citizen don't have the money to afford a lawyer will only make things worst and make you look bad. This isn't how you respond to these accusations against you. It'll give you the side-eyes, and make the people around you have trust issues.
Well because if they apologize then they’re not allegations. You don’t apologize for something you don’t do. You get a lawyer to defend you for something you didn’t do or are accused of. Apologizing wouldn’t have helped. They were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. Esp when you have a group like T-ara who said nothing, did nothing in the wake of allegations, and their career was screwed anyway only to find out their accuser was a liar years later. These girls did the opposite trying to defend themselves and their career was screwed anyway. There’s no winning for anyone involved.
@@InevitableAgent What you said on the first part doesn't make any sense. Of course it's no longer allegations, because it's TRUE now. Actually, I'd apologize for all the shit I've done to the people I've to set the record straight and to give everyone the closure they all deserve. I don't expect any forgiveness and I can understand and respect the fact if people hate me for the all the reasons I've done to them. I want to do better than my abusers/bullies who couldn't apologize and acknowledge their wrong doings back and continues life not giving a single F while I live my life being traumatized everyday.
This is why everyone generally hates celebrities. Even I do too, I'll always side with the non celebrity victim first because I know all of you will D-ride these idols immediately despite all evidences out there where they're not always innocent as they seem.
@InevitableAgent Didn't the leader say it was true that they all hated the former member tho? Even if the former member sounds like she lied because of the details not matching, I believe her because complex ptsd results in memory loss.
@@InevitableAgentI don't think it was the group's fault tho.I think that member already had a weak mentality to begin with.
@@elenaasi3960 I honestly don’t care. I’m responding to the comment that they did wrong by not apologizing and getting a lawyer. But when you’re accused of something and need to defend yourself, you get a lawyer and they shouldn’t be criticized for doing so.
That Hyunjoo girl is a pick me girl
How they tried to sue her and lost
@@User-q8d9j They didn't lose, they dropped the case. Her brother's case, however, was cleared of defamation.
As much I loved April song, but in my opinion is :
- Is HJ innocent/Nice? No
- Is April Member Innocent? No
What I can see, HJ really did not get along with the members so April member ended up bullying her without them realizing it. But what the reason? Well I think because HJ is also the problem. HJ is the problem in the group, and April members did not handled this situation very well and leads to bullying her.
Did HJ guilty? Yes
Did April members guilty? Also yes.
Can we please not bring this situation up again… Naeun and April were innocent, and Hyunjoo is the one who got blacklisted from the industry. That tells me all I need to know. End of story. The members are trying to move on from these false bullying rumors… so please stop dragging Naeun’s name through the mud again after years have already passed… 🫠
That is Naeun is trying to comeback to the entertainment world which makes people angry as she wasn’t able to prove that she wasn’t a bully. In korea now they talk about her quite a lot
@@yogiye2501 Oh, come on. I’m pretty sure most of the Koreans were on her and the other April members’ side towards the end. I remember Hyunjoo got cancelled a long time ago for a different scandal. Also, Hyunjoo’s friend admitted to helping her create fake rumors to bring down the other members. 😒 And what do you mean Naeun’s trying to return? She never left the industry… she just had a few small roles in dramas over the years. This whole situation is so similar to AOA’s Mina and Jimin… people need to wake up already and stop being deceived over and over again.
@@dhglowlightbluecome back to reality..Naeun is struggling to make a comeback and. That's the reality...just because of her appearance in one of the famous youtuber's video..that youtuber is getting cancelled now ..people are even cancelling the ones who are associating with Naeun
Hyunjoo now paying for her lies all the april members are living happily now
@@yogiye2501 people who think/believe or has the mindset that 'Naeun should prove that she wasn't a bully' is the root of the problem. it shows that they lack the basic understanding of how the law works. in the eyes of the law, this mindset violates these basic law principles: 1. the burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused. so hyunjoo is the one who has the moral and legal obligation to prove her accusations as the truth. not Naeun having to prove that she wasn't a bully. 2. everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. so until hyunjoo sues Naeun and wins in court, Naeun is by default innocent.
her only sin has been being pretty 💔
Honestly? It feels like this is a very messy situation thats not as black and white as people on "both sides" are putting it.
Theres so much pressure put on young people as idols and trainees and it seems like little help to reseolve conflict or take breaks and centre mental heath im not surprised stores like this are common
It’s obviously who is the victim here. Honestly April just have to pay for price they make.
april didn’t bully that girl. so many staff members have come up on the last 2-3 days sharing what truly happened. the april members just weren’t close to hyunjoo and hyunjoo didn’t want to get close to them from the very beginning. they had some squabbles yes but nothing about it was bullying. plus it’s been known that hyunjoo has a nasty attitude and she was exposed for being a bully in school, where’s the outrage with that?
April did not bully her, I feel it's just a misunderstanding. She's skipped practices a lot, group activities and more and of course, the members said that they were upset because most of their hard work was destroyed and wasted. Imagine you can't perform due to 1 member missing!
Besides, who the heck made a TH-cam channel when this situation became huge, it's clear she wanted to scrap all the fame. She doesn't even post any single video regarding this issue except for April members like Chaewon. She just keeps quiet and pretends nothing ever happens. In the UNIT, you can even see she got "hit" by Hyosun but it's just a tiny bump., but she act like she's hurt so much like COME ON!!
Are korean really forgiving? Why is it so easy for bullies to make a comeback? And victim are really that powerless even the evidence are shown?
Didn't the court ruled that there was not enough evidence on both sides??
@@kimimiralte3787yes
They didn't lose. The cases were DROPPED because it couldn't be proven right or wrong. They only "lost" the defamation cases because the police considered Hyunjoo told her side of the story and April told their side. Defamation would be if the events didn't happen but April acknowledged that it happened so it didn't go through the DEFAMATION law.
It was just a "she said this and I say this" case and that is NOT under the defamation law.
Chaewon sent the case again and this time the police DID find HYUNJOO lied about Chaewon dating the manager which is what she based off almost all of her claims. The police also determined that the BULLYNG can't be proven false or true since there's not enough evidence. Once again it's just a matter of words.
Interesting........everyone you know what they say don't jump to conclusions get all the facts first.
I dont understand why something like bullying can ruin someone's while career. Like i get it if the victim got physically bullied or on the verge or harm. But ive been severely bullied, but i do not wish downfall on my bullied no matter if they were a artist/actor or something big. Most get bullied, a lot of people bully without wanting their victim to harm themselves. I honestly think its dumb
well, your not them , you may have different thoughts to them
@@tracyyamah1870 i mean cmon, be a bit hard on yourself. Life aint ease and you cant just go ruining somones life cus they made fun of you. If they severely hurt, like beat up their victim etc, yes i get it. But some comments here n there should never be enough for you to ruin someone's life and career over fucking youth/teen years. We ALL make mistakes in our youth, it doesnt mean it should ruin our future .. like cmon
@@miow3597 depends, I've heard that in Korea the bullying is different and one thing I agree is how some people can be s€x 0ff€nder and can keep their career, but people who got accused people for no reason get horrible treatment
@@L.G.127 sx offenders or people of that kind should 10/10 lose their career. But people who bully? Definitely depends on how they bully. If they spread intimate pics etc, definitely lose their career. But to call someone names etc, like thats not good enough "reason" for them to lose their career. So how they bully, the severity etc into consideration. But just plain bully, thats not "severe" etc i think is plain stupid.
Koreans are the biggest snowflakes alive. Omg, I can not imagine "omg you kicked my desk and cursed at me when I was 10" and now thar haunts me forever. Wtf is wring with people, there are literal children being abused by adults and parents and THIS is what haunts you
We don't really know what actually happened between them. But it is still making me sad, because I like April and follow them since their debut, untill they disbanded 🥲
why are you soo slow
The way that Naeun admitted to many of the accusations in official legal/police documents and people are convinced Hyunjoo is another Hwayoung. Their evidence against Hyunjoo rests entirely in the fact that she had a hard time getting close to the other members… That’s how ostracizing someone works aint it?
Y’all are like those teachers that assumed a bullied kid fighting back is the perpetrator because the bully is popular.
Naeun never admitted to any of the accusations. none of them do. in fact they all refuted the accusations by presenting solid proofs and witnesses while hyunjoo never presented anything / anyone other than her words. stop creating and spreading lies.
@@jinsolaris8575 Hyunjoo’s been sued 10 times and hasn’t lost once. Of course she has credible proof.
Ffs ppl.
@@chuuu4610 10 times? lmao where did u get all these nonsense? the defamation cases were dropped. meaning she hasn't won any of them either. if she has had credible proof to support her accusations, she would've sued the other members. she never did.