Had a remap done 18 months ago and it’s been brilliant, better acceleration especially in 3rd to 5th and the MPG has improved as I don’t have to push the pedal on hills 👍🏻
Best upgrade Ive done to our 2017 Boxer. Its like a new van with a bigger engine. It really use to struggle on long motorway uphill runs especially in France. Not now, 6th gear all the way
As a seller of fiat Ducato parts there is a big difference in spares on larger HP engines ie larger turbochargers,intercoolers ,clutches and thickness of driveshafts etc.
Haha. It’s me, your new co-presenter! That was a long question …. Sorry. Just an update to say that our dealer and Autotrail got involved and expedited the part and made sure it was fixed properly. So far all seems well.
That is excellent news! We have had several listeners contact us offering details of companies and repair specialists that might help. Let me know if useful!
The dealer where you took your MH for warranty work can easily tell whether the engine has been re-mapped by simply plugging into the OBD port and interrogating the ECU.
The down side of remapping many Fiat/Relay/Boxer based vans, is that the increased torque will be above the safe design torque limit of the gearbox clutch.
Yes it is still the case on many vans, I speak from experience from our customers many that have been put back to standard. The other thing to remember is that the more powerful vans as standard have updated clutches from new. So always buyer beware
Would have appreciated if you had discussed the down sides of mapping - where potential mechanical issues following a remap are concerned. The discussion seems to imply that there were none - by not mentioning any, insurance aside.
Re-mapping will entail a lot of extra wear and tear on your turbo Matt, as it's the only thing that produces the extra power. Suggest you change the oil and filter more often to lessen the load 🤞
@@tradecarsdirectltd2344 And let's not forget the increased clutch wear. I know from personal experience to the tune of £1500 for new clutch and DMF. There are a number of potential downsides that are rarely mentioned or discussed.
@markgraham3201 My 2023 Adria has the 9-Speed Auto which has a map on gear selector which holds the gear's longer. So you got 1/ Eco - Ok for flat motorway. 2/ Norm - Ok normal driving - 3/ Power Good for overtaking or very steep gradient's. Only map out of warranty i.e. 2 year's plus, but unless you really feel you are under powered, leave it as it is 🤷♂️
The real elephant in the room that no one is discussing is the growing number of dealerships entering administration, within this genre of the leisure industry. Dealerships can’t move stock from 2023, let alone 2024. The 2025 range is only around the corner, that Dealerships are obligated to buy. Dealerships, even with reductions in price are not shifting their 2023/2024 stock, which leads to cash flow issues. This leads to Dealerships entering administration. Administration means stock legally has to go back to Manufacture of origin. Manufacturers are already too far down the material ordering process line to properly adjust production numbers for 2025. Now unsold stock from administration is being returned. A perfect storm where supply and demand is evidencing a real feeling of market reduction in this leisure genre. Some will point blame towards the Pandemic, others to rising costs of raw materials. Others will claim an overpriced leisure industry, that set prices for short term gain. Prices have arguably now become so unaffordable, from Camp Sites, to Vans and the accessories, that something had to give. A perfect storm of a number of factors. Add the newbies who joined this leisure industry during restricted travel years who are now abandoning an overpriced UK leisure genre for a cheaper overseas traditional leisure genre, means the whole tourism and van life leisure market is going through a very real readjustment. Some would argue it is much needed to get the correct clientele who have always been avid fans of this leisure genre back to front and centre of this leisure genre. A podcast actually giving honest reality (Broadlane Dealership, just 1 example) and opinion for customers, is well overdue Matt, as the silence from the industry experts is sadly so self evident.
I’ve been quite vocal on the topic and I trust seen to be honest. We do have a few exciting episodes coming up with a view from behind the scenes. How dealer stocking finance works and what happens to the stock in the event of a collapse. They will be coming later this year. Most people have no idea how this industry is ‘wired’ and just see higher prices as bigger profits for the dealer. Sometimes this is true but not usually and I can explain why. In fact this last 12 months has been incredibly hard for dealers. The other huge issue is the standards of service the industry delivers. Aftercare is often criticised. I would love to unpack this some more too as it drives me mad. So stay tuned and thanks for watching.
Good question. I would have thought the Euro rating was set at the point of build. I’ve not come across anyone being able to change it retrospectively. Not to say it’s not possible! I don’t know.
every map should be individually done on a rolling road not a cheap generic one from a bloke with a laptop it will probably clog your dpf filter because it's burning point will be messed up in the map
Use a reputable company like Celtic Tuning who have agents all over the UK. They will come to you. my Son is one of them so we get our vehicles done at cost :-) Rolling road tuning is only really needed for modified engines.
Think you would have been better doing this one on the £40 NC500 charge the Scottish council have imposed ! Rediculous, free car parks and use of their facilities is going to ruin trade for camp sites who depend on traveller's bookings. I actually think this will impact on the amount of NC500 user's if that's what they are hoping for, as not everybody trust car parks as a safe park up, especially older people. Will they pay the fee and also book a site pitch 🤷♂️ It's going to work out a lot of money overall if you a retired couple ! Let us know what you think Matt . . . Sam Cannock Staffs 🙏
You will be lucky to get on the free car parks they are full of cyclists camper vans from June onwards and in June most are Dutch so will they also pay?
@williamcoulter5462 Will be absolute chaos, and could get a bit tasty 💪 if you haven't paid the £40 🤣 Don't think the council realise what they have started, at least it will keep the police busy . . .
Nice to have you along albeit briefly. It’s a shame you made such a judgement seemingly so quickly.! We have over 140 episodes to consume. We take what we report on or share very seriously but like to have a chuckle at the same time. Sorry if the humour is not for you. That’s fine with us.
Had a remap done 18 months ago and it’s been brilliant, better acceleration especially in 3rd to 5th and the MPG has improved as I don’t have to push the pedal on hills 👍🏻
That’s my experience too.
Best upgrade Ive done to our 2017 Boxer. Its like a new van with a bigger engine. It really use to struggle on long motorway uphill runs especially in France. Not now, 6th gear all the way
I’m the same in ours! It happily sits in 6th gear and at 35+mpg!
As a seller of fiat Ducato parts there is a big difference in spares on larger HP engines ie larger turbochargers,intercoolers ,clutches and thickness of driveshafts etc.
Thanks for sharing. So would you deter someone from having a remap?
@@MotorhomeMattno just stating facts.
Haha. It’s me, your new co-presenter! That was a long question …. Sorry. Just an update to say that our dealer and Autotrail got involved and expedited the part and made sure it was fixed properly. So far all seems well.
That is excellent news! We have had several listeners contact us offering details of companies and repair specialists that might help. Let me know if useful!
The dealer where you took your MH for warranty work can easily tell whether the engine has been re-mapped by simply plugging into the OBD port and interrogating the ECU.
Thanks for commenting. That may well be the case but is this an issue? I’ve never had a Fiat dealer flag it as one. Have you out of interest?
Had my bailey alliance done by pendelton performance tuning absolute spot on
What’s been the most notable improvement for you?
The down side of remapping many Fiat/Relay/Boxer based vans, is that the increased torque will be above the safe design torque limit of the gearbox
clutch.
Is that still the case if post remap the vehicle is driven sensibly? If so I may have to hold back in ours!
Yes it is still the case on many vans, I speak from experience from our customers many that have been put back to standard. The other thing to remember is that the more powerful vans as standard have updated clutches from new. So always buyer beware
Would have appreciated if you had discussed the down sides of mapping - where potential mechanical issues following a remap are concerned. The discussion seems to imply that there were none - by not mentioning any, insurance aside.
Re-mapping will entail a lot of extra wear and tear on your turbo Matt, as it's the only thing that produces the extra power. Suggest you change the oil and filter more often to lessen the load 🤞
@@tradecarsdirectltd2344 And let's not forget the increased clutch wear. I know from personal experience to the tune of £1500 for new clutch and DMF. There are a number of potential downsides that are rarely mentioned or discussed.
@markgraham3201
My 2023 Adria has the 9-Speed Auto which has a map on gear selector which holds the gear's longer. So you got 1/ Eco - Ok for flat motorway. 2/ Norm - Ok normal driving - 3/ Power Good for overtaking or very steep gradient's. Only map out of warranty i.e. 2 year's plus, but unless you really feel you are under powered, leave it as it is 🤷♂️
The downsides were alluded to by Josh in the interview. I’ve had remapped cars and motorhones for years. Never experienced a downside myself
Thanks for the insight. I own a Vw T6 which was remapped 4 years and 68000 miles ago. Original clutch and turbo. 3rd steering rack tho!
The real elephant in the room that no one is discussing is the growing number of dealerships entering administration, within this genre of the leisure industry. Dealerships can’t move stock from 2023, let alone 2024. The 2025 range is only around the corner, that Dealerships are obligated to buy. Dealerships, even with reductions in price are not shifting their 2023/2024 stock, which leads to cash flow issues. This leads to Dealerships entering administration. Administration means stock legally has to go back to Manufacture of origin. Manufacturers are already too far down the material ordering process line to properly adjust production numbers for 2025. Now unsold stock from administration is being returned. A perfect storm where supply and demand is evidencing a real feeling of market reduction in this leisure genre. Some will point blame towards the Pandemic, others to rising costs of raw materials. Others will claim an overpriced leisure industry, that set prices for short term gain. Prices have arguably now become so unaffordable, from Camp Sites, to Vans and the accessories, that something had to give. A perfect storm of a number of factors. Add the newbies who joined this leisure industry during restricted travel years who are now abandoning an overpriced UK leisure genre for a cheaper overseas traditional leisure genre, means the whole tourism and van life leisure market is going through a very real readjustment. Some would argue it is much needed to get the correct clientele who have always been avid fans of this leisure genre back to front and centre of this leisure genre. A podcast actually giving honest reality (Broadlane Dealership, just 1 example) and opinion for customers, is well overdue Matt, as the silence from the industry experts is sadly so self evident.
I’ve been quite vocal on the topic and I trust seen to be honest. We do have a few exciting episodes coming up with a view from behind the scenes. How dealer stocking finance works and what happens to the stock in the event of a collapse. They will be coming later this year. Most people have no idea how this industry is ‘wired’ and just see higher prices as bigger profits for the dealer. Sometimes this is true but not usually and I can explain why. In fact this last 12 months has been incredibly hard for dealers.
The other huge issue is the standards of service the industry delivers. Aftercare is often criticised. I would love to unpack this some more too as it drives me mad. So stay tuned and thanks for watching.
All, as far as I know, increase power by more than 10%.
Yes that was my understanding too
Does remapping have any implications for the Euro rating of the engine ?
Good question. I would have thought the Euro rating was set at the point of build. I’ve not come across anyone being able to change it retrospectively. Not to say it’s not possible! I don’t know.
every map should be individually done on a rolling road not a cheap generic one from a bloke with a laptop it will probably clog your dpf filter because it's burning point will be messed up in the map
I’ve never experienced any DPF filter in years of driving a remapped vehicle
@@MotorhomeMatt I have was from a bad map was redone on the rolling road now it's perfect the the mapper told me he gets them all the time
Interesting! As with anything I guess it’s about the quality of the product you buy. Thanks for commenting
Use a reputable company like Celtic Tuning who have agents all over the UK. They will come to you. my Son is one of them so we get our vehicles done at cost :-) Rolling road tuning is only really needed for modified engines.
Think you would have been better doing this one on the £40 NC500 charge the Scottish council have imposed !
Rediculous, free car parks and use of their facilities is going to ruin trade for camp sites who depend on traveller's bookings.
I actually think this will impact on the amount of NC500 user's if that's what they are hoping for, as not everybody trust car parks as a safe park up, especially older people. Will they pay the fee and also book a site pitch 🤷♂️ It's going to work out a lot of money overall if you a retired couple !
Let us know what you think Matt . . . Sam Cannock Staffs 🙏
It’s a topic I’m following closely and is being widely reported. No doubt we will cover it in a future episode
You will be lucky to get on the free car parks they are full of cyclists camper vans from June onwards and in June most are Dutch so will they also pay?
@williamcoulter5462 Will be absolute chaos, and could get a bit tasty 💪 if you haven't paid the £40 🤣 Don't think the council realise what they have started, at least it will keep the police busy . . .
You need to get other side of remapping where things have gone wrong think gadget John had problems worth sharing
I will look into this thank you.
Thanks for watching and sharing
It's not funny 😂 guy's knocking his faulty van 🤷♂️ I feel for him, think I know a mobile guy who can diagnose and repair any fault 🧐
Feel free to share the details here or at mhmp.info/askmatt
I will happily pass them on
I thought I would have a look at this channel.
Unfortunately the "humour" is a bit puerile..... I'll give it a miss.
Nice to have you along albeit briefly. It’s a shame you made such a judgement seemingly so quickly.! We have over 140 episodes to consume. We take what we report on or share very seriously but like to have a chuckle at the same time. Sorry if the humour is not for you. That’s fine with us.
I'm back again.
I've watched a few more episodes, and have now got 'used' to the humour........👍