@@chuckn4851 Why not? Bills reputation only grew while Dutch faded into obscurity so by 1911 Bill and his gang had a more infamous rep than the long disbanded gang of Dutch
Bill was a veteran with PTSD who struggled to find his place in society when he finished service. He fell in with a gang that moved around constantly and used guerilla warfare tactics which probably made him feel some sort of normal, eventually seeing this gang as his family. Towards the end, Bill went with the guys that didn’t make him feel worthless and alone.
@@Grendelynden Sadly? That's what it is. I'm gay and I accept it as sexual deviancy. Deviancy doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means you're out of the norm.
Ah, Bill was a lost soul, who just needed an occasional gesture that one cares about him and appreciated him to make him happy and give him something to hold on to or, so to speak, to provide him with an anchor to keep him grounded in life. If that had been granted to him continuously by the "good" guys in the gang, he would not have felt disoriented and hopeless, and drifted into unfettered brutality and lashed out against the world the way he did in between the games and in RDR1.
@@squidward9747 towards the end of the game. Arthur tells Micah off then starts having a coughing fit, Micah mocks him for being sick and Bill says to Micah “you show him some god damn respect”.
@@ViViDG no Bill says that to Sadie after she accuses Dutch of leaving John in prison, but when Micah makes fun of Arthur having a coughing fit Bill says “Micah Shut it”
It's small details like this that make me love this game so much. I never understood why they thought he was dumb when he was a savage when I was younger. But when you see him in the 2nd game, it's like "yeah, how tf was New Austin so scared of him?" then you realize time has passed since the end of the 2nd game. Bill being a heavy alcoholic, probably screwed himself psychologically big time, and it helps explain his beginning lines in the 1st, "No more Dutch, and no more you." After all, he wasn't so sure who to side with as he definitely had some respect for Arthur, but Dutch being his daddy, he sided with Dutch. And then probably realized how crazy Dutch had gone, and left while in mental pain all about it. The dude really lost it man. Sad to see a goofy character just flip like that. Damn
"You knew the truth, John. And they hated you for it." Damn yes, John wasn't blind about Dutch and the others. On the opposite, Billa and Javier were too loyal to notice the madness of their leader.
@@tjjordan4207 Arthur starts to see who is in real dutch only in chapter 5-6, John sees dutch's true self on chapter 2 because he was on blackwater heist and sees how dutch started to go crazy
Because Bill had a reason to act like he did. Javier was clever, cunning and was willing to give up Dutch and Bill when you confronted him. He was a snake. Bill just needed approval
John was very angry about being left to die by his family. But that was Dutch, Micah and Javier. Bill was already on the train, so it was no more his fault than Arthur. So while he could kinda justify going after Dutch and Javier. Bill never actually betrayed John even though their friendship deteriorated significantly. Its why he tried talking with Bill to find a way out of their legal problems together- while he didn't try that at all with Javier and Dutch.
Bill's voice actor did once say he could of been saved. I think it was something like "If Abigail had a talk with him give him a sort of meaning he may had turned his life around more"
Watching interviews, I get the impression that Steve J. Palmer is one of those actors that really cares about their character more than typical. Appreciates it more; it means more to him. Compared to some of the main cast, too. And that's not me having a go. It's just the way it is sometimes with acting.
Out of Bill, Javier and Dutch, I would agree Bill would be the only one who could be convinced. Javier and Dutch are revolutionaries to the core, whether truthfully like Javier or just as a means to boost their ego like Dutch. Dutch said before he jumped he couldn't fight his own nature. Bill on the other hand was just angry at everything, he could've probably been talked down, though he would've been executed anyway.
@@thewholehorse7140 nah go back to RDR2 and watch how Javier pointed his gun UP when Arthur, John, Javier, Micah, & Bill took Durch's side at the end of the game. (The part where we run into the cave to escape them all) Javier was the one who could have been convinced the most. He didn't want to shoot them or hurt them. He was conflicted and confused. Bill was not nor never.
@@riley5722 agreed. I also think, based on interviews and panels he was a part of, that he’s one of the few actors from the game who is actually a gamer and played through both titles to completion. I noticed it when the panel were asked who their favourite characters were they all chose each other whereas Steve went into detail about the trapper. A miscellaneous character who he would likely never have interacted with on the soundstage.
I think Bill really needed like a friend. Like just someone that didnt shit on him like everyone else. Feel like if he had that things might have turned out different.
The interaction feels like they put up with each other, like a mature married couple. But a time has passed since the RDR2. But in general the voice acting is way better in the sequel, even if it is the same actors. This conversation feels scripted to the point of awkwardness. If Abigail broke John's balls in RDR2, he would flip out at her - in this he is like 'yeah whatever you say woman'. The chemistry they have in RDR2 is way better than RDR1 in general and that's because you know who they are by the time you play the sequel.
I feel like Bill threatening to castrate Kieran was a reference or nod to what Bill would do to that town in red dead 1, where the barn had a naked castrated man hanging Two things that this made me think, first being it's a clever foreshadowing of who Bill would later become, the second being it's a scary thing to think about. Bill was a killer like the rest in rdr2 but never seemed the sadistic and murderous type who enjoyed it. I wonder if everything that happened finally broke him to doing those things or if like Dutch, he was hiding the worst parts of himself and after the gang split he had no reason to hold back anymore I actually find Bill likeable in rdr2, except for his casual racism of course Bill seemed more stupid and prone to anger in rdr2 but still very loyal and seemed the kinda guy who you knew you could depend on for help when things got bad
Unfortunately this is really the kind of conversation where it really shows the limitation of Arthur not existing in the lore when this game was made; I know all about how they are supposed to move on and forget but this exact memory is tied to Arthur now. John wasn't the first to see that things were going south or at least if he was the first he wasn't really the first one to act on it. Leaving the gang for a while wasn't because they were no longer a family at that point. I just cannot see how this conversation can take place without mentioning how it was Arthur that tried to save as many people in the gang as possible during Dutch's downfall. Obviously I'm not really complaining, there's simply no way to add Arthur retroactively, but it kind of feels weird when you see stuff like this in the first game now
@@ACLA23 all they have to do is add a trigger/triggers for when the dialog plays. It's a big map and they should be able to do that with out breaking anything pretty easy like. Not a hard task if the rerelease team understand the tools their working with.
@@ACLA23 If they do they should literally just release the first game as a DLC to the second. They can add in the rest of the RDR1 map and then put the old dialogue in the game to fit the animations
swimmer8585 calling rdr1 a dlc to rdr2 would be the most disrespectful thing ever. It was regarded as one of the best games of the ps3 and Xbox 360 era and you said it should be a dlc to its sequel smh
That last scene when arthur told John to run with his family and never look back was his redemption. He couldn’t save his own family because he was out following the gang.
This wagon has one of my favorite horse breeds in this game which would be the turkemon I love that dark bay color on the horse I love the stripe on his forehead in fact it reminds me of a horse that I want a Breyer model his name is Ravel and he is actually a Breyer model that is a traditional and traditional horses are actually based off real horses
@@goodgenes0 thank you for having my back I'm tired of having bullies we don't need bullies right now with all the crap that's going on the world that's the last thing we need
Back in 2010 I really hated Abigail. But through rdr2 I learned that Abigail would never give up on John even when he gave up on her and their kid, she never let go of John and gladly accepted him back after he abandoned her for a year. I doubt Bonnie would do that. And I doubt Abigail would ever do that for another man other than John. Also I suppose bonnie was eager for adventure and shooting because she grew up on a ranch, comparatively dull life. Abigail has led a much worse life already and been on the run with Dutch's gang for years, she's seen the proverbial war. She's had enough of death and crime and the dangers it brings because she's lived it already. Unlike bonnie who still naively thinks such a life is an "exciting" life.
If they do a remake of this game, they need to add in little hints of Arthur. It would make sense for John never to say his name, but it would also make sense for there to be moments when Arthur's influence can be felt, a way to show that did exist without ruining the story and characters.
It’s like they had rdr2 planned before rdr1 everything adds up so perfectly when you come back and listen to then talking about the old gang and how dutch and Javier and bill betrayed John
@@LuvEvoI I agree, when RDR1 was written, Arthur hadn't been thought of yet. But we can recontextualise that comment about John knowing "first" to mean that John knew before Bill and the others, and they hated him (and Arthur) for it because they didn't want to believe it, and when they did realise, they felt duped.
Someone already mentioned the PTSD and gay hate, but it's more than that. His own gang treated him like shit. Hosea and Arthur laugh at him to his face about being a "sheep in wolf clothing" and even Dutch calls him out for having "a tiny little mind" when they're going after Bronte. They aren't wrong, but when his own family beats up on him (pretty much nonstop) of course he's going to build resentment.
@@Kyle_919 I feel you but I would also assume the army would of been very lenient back then. Dishonorable discharge is despicable things. Like running away from the army or not fighting with your team. He had to do something out of the ordinary.
@@BigPat6521 he tried to kill someone i believe, and also deviancy.. which back then could have meant many things, but knowing Bill, probably something gay
Victor Maldonado he was probably a douche to a lotta people and tried to kill one sue to his anger issues and extreme insecurity. And the deviancy is heavily implied to him being gay and trying to touch another solider
I think it's more of Bill was a victim of extreme untreated PTSD, alcoholism, and a deeply seeded need to be accepted rooted in childhood trauma. Which really paints him in a tragic light. If mental health was an issue that was addressed back then would Bill ha e became a violent alcoholic, or would he still have been "Marion"
@@WonkyTonkBotty thankfully i never been married, i dont have relationship bonds like other people do i find modern woman to be quite annoying and volatile when they dont get their way, they dont act like third world russian mail order brides.
Back in 2010 I really hated Abigail. But through rdr2 I learned that Abigail would never give up on John even when he gave up on her and their kid, she never let go of John and gladly accepted him back after he abandoned her for a year. I doubt Bonnie would do that. And I doubt Abigail would ever do that for another man other than John. Also I suppose bonnie was eager for adventure and shooting because she grew up on a ranch, comparatively dull life. Abigail has led a much worse life already and been on the run with Dutch's gang for years, she's seen the proverbial war. She's had enough of death and crime and the dangers it brings because she's lived it already. Unlike bonnie who still naively thinks such a life is an "exciting" life.
@preternatural Yeah, not much of a change of ending. But I like that they gave you the option to have Arthur die peacefully rather than being shot by a rat.
If they do red dead redemption remake include the stuff in the second game I think it would be More exciting and gives me a chance to forgotten caltos though in the second game
Bill was my second hated character besides Micah. He was racist, a drunk who started fights and I knew he was gonna be the villain in RDR so I expected him to be the rat or something
How was he racist? Because he said he didn't like the natives literally scalping his friends? Before that they scalped innocent civilians including women and children before that they scalped each other including women and children. During this time they were also a main drive for violent crime in the country.
@@RealLenny which reminds me of some folks in real life that a good people when youre alone with them but just assholes in their main group. You mostly cant save those people
I think it's more of Bill was a victim of extreme untreated PTSD, alcoholism, and a deeply seeded need to be accepted rooted in childhood trauma. And being an extreme asshole has members like Micah and Dutch encourage him so he feels partially accepted.
I know that he was only even thought of during the second game's development, but I wish that Arthur existed as a character during the first one. Like it feels wrong just saying how they ALL left John for dead, completely ignoring Arthur. But it makes sense. Also, when it talks about John being half dead on the side of the road then being saves by somebody kind reminds me of Arthur's tuberculosis diagnosis scene
Bill was such a goofy character in rd2 that it's easy to forget that he was the secondary antagonist of the first game
Tertiary I'd say.
Quaternary
In rdr1 he was more of a focal point than Dutch lol
@@Batt-man That's the only thing about the game I never really liked or got why the writers wrote the story as such.
@@chuckn4851 Why not? Bills reputation only grew while Dutch faded into obscurity so by 1911 Bill and his gang had a more infamous rep than the long disbanded gang of Dutch
Bill was a veteran with PTSD who struggled to find his place in society when he finished service. He fell in with a gang that moved around constantly and used guerilla warfare tactics which probably made him feel some sort of normal, eventually seeing this gang as his family. Towards the end, Bill went with the guys that didn’t make him feel worthless and alone.
Well he didn't "finish" his service so much as he was discharged of trying to kill someone he shouldn't have and deviancy
@@dazmaz1269
He was also gay-
@@BloodInTheStrawberries They already said deviancy, that’s sadly what they called it in the 1800’s
@@Grendelynden ehhh it's got a nice ring to it
@@Grendelynden Sadly? That's what it is. I'm gay and I accept it as sexual deviancy.
Deviancy doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means you're out of the norm.
Ah, Bill was a lost soul, who just needed an occasional gesture that one cares about him and appreciated him to make him happy and give him something to hold on to or, so to speak, to provide him with an anchor to keep him grounded in life. If that had been granted to him continuously by the "good" guys in the gang, he would not have felt disoriented and hopeless, and drifted into unfettered brutality and lashed out against the world the way he did in between the games and in RDR1.
That’s why I was always nice to Bill in RDR2, he seemed like a decent feller
@@EvanBiser and he pat the camp dog.
Spot on bro. Sadly theres alot of bill Williamson out there. It doesn’t hurt at all to praise somebody u never know what they are going thru
There's a reason Bill is my friend's favorite character. He had a heart, he just disguised it, then lost it.
Bro he isn’t real
Abigail: *sleeps with Johns entire gang*
John: *speaks with another woman*
Abigail: “wait!… that’s illegal!”
Abigail wasn't married or in a relationship then. John is now. 🤷♂️
Maybe she knows how easy it is to go from one to another and is sceptical of bonnie?
@Ziyan’s Power And she wasn't doing anything but her job.
The talking isn't the problem, it's holding Abigail to a standard that's incompatible 🤷♂️
@@lilmshavok7297 I can tell you've never had a proper relationship with a good looking female
@Adonis04 women🍵
I felt so bad for Bill, he was awkward and not very smart, but when Bill stood up to Micah he was berating Arthur made me gain some respect for him.
When did he stand up for him?
@@squidward9747 towards the end of the game. Arthur tells Micah off then starts having a coughing fit, Micah mocks him for being sick and Bill says to Micah “you show him some god damn respect”.
@@ViViDG no Bill says that to Sadie after she accuses Dutch of leaving John in prison, but when Micah makes fun of Arthur having a coughing fit Bill says “Micah Shut it”
I don’t he is racist
It's small details like this that make me love this game so much. I never understood why they thought he was dumb when he was a savage when I was younger. But when you see him in the 2nd game, it's like "yeah, how tf was New Austin so scared of him?" then you realize time has passed since the end of the 2nd game. Bill being a heavy alcoholic, probably screwed himself psychologically big time, and it helps explain his beginning lines in the 1st, "No more Dutch, and no more you." After all, he wasn't so sure who to side with as he definitely had some respect for Arthur, but Dutch being his daddy, he sided with Dutch. And then probably realized how crazy Dutch had gone, and left while in mental pain all about it. The dude really lost it man. Sad to see a goofy character just flip like that. Damn
The turn Javier took is also really sad to me.
"You knew the truth, John. And they hated you for it."
Damn yes, John wasn't blind about Dutch and the others. On the opposite, Billa and Javier were too loyal to notice the madness of their leader.
Except for Arthur.
@@tjjordan4207 Arthur starts to see who is in real dutch only in chapter 5-6, John sees dutch's true self on chapter 2 because he was on blackwater heist and sees how dutch started to go crazy
John sounds like he has more of a soft spot for Bill then Javier when you compare him talking about them.
It felt that Arthur was closer to Javier than John was to him.
Because Bill had a reason to act like he did. Javier was clever, cunning and was willing to give up Dutch and Bill when you confronted him. He was a snake. Bill just needed approval
Because Bill was a fool, whereas Javier went insane.
Because he expected more from Javier “like a brother” so he was more hurt when talking about Javier.
John was very angry about being left to die by his family. But that was Dutch, Micah and Javier. Bill was already on the train, so it was no more his fault than Arthur. So while he could kinda justify going after Dutch and Javier. Bill never actually betrayed John even though their friendship deteriorated significantly. Its why he tried talking with Bill to find a way out of their legal problems together- while he didn't try that at all with Javier and Dutch.
Bill's voice actor did once say he could of been saved. I think it was something like "If Abigail had a talk with him give him a sort of meaning he may had turned his life around more"
Watching interviews, I get the impression that Steve J. Palmer is one of those actors that really cares about their character more than typical. Appreciates it more; it means more to him. Compared to some of the main cast, too. And that's not me having a go. It's just the way it is sometimes with acting.
Out of Bill, Javier and Dutch, I would agree Bill would be the only one who could be convinced. Javier and Dutch are revolutionaries to the core, whether truthfully like Javier or just as a means to boost their ego like Dutch. Dutch said before he jumped he couldn't fight his own nature. Bill on the other hand was just angry at everything, he could've probably been talked down, though he would've been executed anyway.
@@thewholehorse7140 nah go back to RDR2 and watch how Javier pointed his gun UP when Arthur, John, Javier, Micah, & Bill took Durch's side at the end of the game. (The part where we run into the cave to escape them all)
Javier was the one who could have been convinced the most. He didn't want to shoot them or hurt them. He was conflicted and confused. Bill was not nor never.
@@riley5722 agreed. I also think, based on interviews and panels he was a part of, that he’s one of the few actors from the game who is actually a gamer and played through both titles to completion.
I noticed it when the panel were asked who their favourite characters were they all chose each other whereas Steve went into detail about the trapper. A miscellaneous character who he would likely never have interacted with on the soundstage.
What’s this „could of“? It is „could have“!
I think Bill really needed like a friend. Like just someone that didnt shit on him like everyone else. Feel like if he had that things might have turned out different.
“They was still kinda family.”
Damn that paired with knowing that not all gang members were all bad like Arthur, and Hosea for example, hits hard man.
Idk why but it feels like the dialogue and interaction between Abigail and John have more natural chemistry than in RDR2
No it didn’t
The interaction feels like they put up with each other, like a mature married couple. But a time has passed since the RDR2. But in general the voice acting is way better in the sequel, even if it is the same actors. This conversation feels scripted to the point of awkwardness. If Abigail broke John's balls in RDR2, he would flip out at her - in this he is like 'yeah whatever you say woman'. The chemistry they have in RDR2 is way better than RDR1 in general and that's because you know who they are by the time you play the sequel.
well, they have spent some time married with each other. It's only natural that they'd be closer in 1 than in 2.
Bruh, more than 10 years passed, it's obvious.
@@lancepage1914 Abigail has a different VA
I always antagonize Bill and Micah, they react so well.
same
"I don't work hard, I work smart"
Bill isn’t that bad, he just went downhill like Dutch from all the deaths etc. Micah on the other hand is a different story.
yeah same bill so no different than micha he actually become worse than micha
@@badreedinedjellali1328 how is bill worse than micah?
That timer thing was so annoying and unnecessary
Back in 2010 I really thought John was gonna bone the shit out of Bonnie 😭😂
Same
I know I would've
I feel like Bill threatening to castrate Kieran was a reference or nod to what Bill would do to that town in red dead 1, where the barn had a naked castrated man hanging
Two things that this made me think, first being it's a clever foreshadowing of who Bill would later become, the second being it's a scary thing to think about. Bill was a killer like the rest in rdr2 but never seemed the sadistic and murderous type who enjoyed it. I wonder if everything that happened finally broke him to doing those things or if like Dutch, he was hiding the worst parts of himself and after the gang split he had no reason to hold back anymore
I actually find Bill likeable in rdr2, except for his casual racism of course
Bill seemed more stupid and prone to anger in rdr2 but still very loyal and seemed the kinda guy who you knew you could depend on for help when things got bad
Unfortunately this is really the kind of conversation where it really shows the limitation of Arthur not existing in the lore when this game was made; I know all about how they are supposed to move on and forget but this exact memory is tied to Arthur now. John wasn't the first to see that things were going south or at least if he was the first he wasn't really the first one to act on it. Leaving the gang for a while wasn't because they were no longer a family at that point.
I just cannot see how this conversation can take place without mentioning how it was Arthur that tried to save as many people in the gang as possible during Dutch's downfall.
Obviously I'm not really complaining, there's simply no way to add Arthur retroactively, but it kind of feels weird when you see stuff like this in the first game now
Blame rdr2 for these inconsistencies and plot holes
I'm not going to blame either of them for anything
@@zoroasper9759 Alrighty then
@@BeatleHarrison I blame Arthur for bein so damn hawt
@@crangesmcbasketball1828 Seek god
"he was a complete nonce in the second game"
He was a WHAT?!
LMAO i read that and i was like "..WHAT"
It didnt originate as a term for pedophile, not sure if this dude was referring to the rumor that Bill was g*y but either way, no bueno
Read that in Plankton's what.
If they ever do a remaster they need to add dialogue about Arthur
If they’d remaster the game they wouldn’t be able to do that only for a remake but a remake is basically impossible
@@ACLA23 all they have to do is add a trigger/triggers for when the dialog plays. It's a big map and they should be able to do that with out breaking anything pretty easy like. Not a hard task if the rerelease team understand the tools their working with.
@@ACLA23 If they do they should literally just release the first game as a DLC to the second. They can add in the rest of the RDR1 map and then put the old dialogue in the game to fit the animations
YeahWeLitT.V. With El Gato Cortez do you not know how a remaster works? You can’t add stuff to a remaster
swimmer8585 calling rdr1 a dlc to rdr2 would be the most disrespectful thing ever. It was regarded as one of the best games of the ps3 and Xbox 360 era and you said it should be a dlc to its sequel smh
That last scene when arthur told John to run with his family and never look back was his redemption. He couldn’t save his own family because he was out following the gang.
Told you Dutch was crazy it was his hat. It was made with mercury
Bill is one of my fav characters in rdr2
Why thank you kindly
@@billwilliamson7087 hi Bill!
@@Jellyhead-mv7hb Hey feller
@@billwilliamson7087 Bill ! I implore you to think about this
Abigail sounds like that lady from k rose
I ain't that dumb!
This wagon has one of my favorite horse breeds in this game which would be the turkemon I love that dark bay color on the horse I love the stripe on his forehead in fact it reminds me of a horse that I want a Breyer model his name is Ravel and he is actually a Breyer model that is a traditional and traditional horses are actually based off real horses
We’re you having a stroke
Who asked?
@@EduardoSalamanca1960 your brother amos
@@goodgenes0 thank you for having my back I'm tired of having bullies we don't need bullies right now with all the crap that's going on the world that's the last thing we need
@@ededdandeddytv5164 did you? Considering you can't spell "were"
IDK if they had a prequel in mind when they made RD1, but it’s impressive had RD2 filled in the blanks of John’s backstory with the gang
@preternatural source
Nah they retconned a lotta stuff John was friends with bill but in rdr2 he just has some interactions and that’s it
@preternatural provide the source
@preternatural do it
I like how there’s quite literally hardly any woman as fine as Abigail in rdr
Abigail looks like an old hag in rdr, she's fine as hell in rdr2
I actually prefer Bonnie though
Maybe only Bonnie
Bonnie is much better than Abigail, but John obviously loves Abigail.
Surprised there any wheels left on that wagon going that speed off road!!
it’s so hard to play with Bill after knowing the ending
Abigail has got far more of an accent in this gang.
Back in 2010 I really hated Abigail.
But through rdr2 I learned that Abigail would never give up on John even when he gave up on her and their kid, she never let go of John and gladly accepted him back after he abandoned her for a year.
I doubt Bonnie would do that.
And I doubt Abigail would ever do that for another man other than John.
Also I suppose bonnie was eager for adventure and shooting because she grew up on a ranch, comparatively dull life.
Abigail has led a much worse life already and been on the run with Dutch's gang for years, she's seen the proverbial war.
She's had enough of death and crime and the dangers it brings because she's lived it already.
Unlike bonnie who still naively thinks such a life is an "exciting" life.
If they do a remake of this game, they need to add in little hints of Arthur. It would make sense for John never to say his name, but it would also make sense for there to be moments when Arthur's influence can be felt, a way to show that did exist without ruining the story and characters.
Couldn’t agree more
It’s like they had rdr2 planned before rdr1 everything adds up so perfectly when you come back and listen to then talking about the old gang and how dutch and Javier and bill betrayed John
Except for artur. The had no clue about him when they made the first game
Abigail at the end she says “yk the truth John and they hated u fo it” wat truth is she talkn about?
The truth about Dutch, about the gang, that all those beliefs about being "noble savages" was a total lie. John saw it first.
Hey now. Let’s give Arthur the credit he deserves. He saw it first and shed light on it for John. But he wasn’t a character when rdr 1 came out lol.
@@LuvEvoI I agree, when RDR1 was written, Arthur hadn't been thought of yet. But we can recontextualise that comment about John knowing "first" to mean that John knew before Bill and the others, and they hated him (and Arthur) for it because they didn't want to believe it, and when they did realise, they felt duped.
@@emilyprice178 somewhere out there in a parallel universe, we knew about an arthur morgan in 2011
@@emilyprice178 nah, John saw that first, remember the talk Arthur and John had in chapter 2
Someone already mentioned the PTSD and gay hate, but it's more than that. His own gang treated him like shit. Hosea and Arthur laugh at him to his face about being a "sheep in wolf clothing" and even Dutch calls him out for having "a tiny little mind" when they're going after Bronte. They aren't wrong, but when his own family beats up on him (pretty much nonstop) of course he's going to build resentment.
When you find yourself in a hole the first thing you do is stop digging. John Marsden🎯
I like all the rdr1 videos
Boney MacFarlane.
Anyone else feel like it just sounds like they’re constantly shouting at eachother with the dialogue in the first game compared to the second?
Most of the dialogue is in open winds, so it makes sense. Gotta' remember they're movin' roughly 30 - 40 miles an hour with no wind protection.
@@ZaZi-Zeta01 but they dont shout like that in RDR2
Something tells me we will get RDR1 remake at some point
Every video you post is something I literally just played lol
Dishonorable discharge from the army for bill. Says something right there.
Yeah but he also fought in the bloodiest and costliest war ever fought on American soil so can’t blame him too much. Probably seen the worst of it
@@Kyle_919 I feel you but I would also assume the army would of been very lenient back then. Dishonorable discharge is despicable things. Like running away from the army or not fighting with your team. He had to do something out of the ordinary.
@@BigPat6521 he tried to kill someone i believe, and also deviancy.. which back then could have meant many things, but knowing Bill, probably something gay
Victor Maldonado he was probably a douche to a lotta people and tried to kill one sue to his anger issues and extreme insecurity. And the deviancy is heavily implied to him being gay and trying to touch another solider
I think it's more of Bill was a victim of extreme untreated PTSD, alcoholism, and a deeply seeded need to be accepted rooted in childhood trauma.
Which really paints him in a tragic light. If mental health was an issue that was addressed back then would Bill ha e became a violent alcoholic, or would he still have been "Marion"
might sound sad and disloyal but i would have left abigail for bonnie, bonnie was always nicer to john while abigail always nags like my mother
Married life, eh?
@@WonkyTonkBotty thankfully i never been married, i dont have relationship bonds like other people do i find modern woman to be quite annoying and volatile when they dont get their way, they dont act like third world russian mail order brides.
Well John did leave leave and his kid and kept getting them Into trouble between 1899-1907 so it’s justified. Bonnie doesn’t know about any of that
Back in 2010 I really hated Abigail.
But through rdr2 I learned that Abigail would never give up on John even when he gave up on her and their kid, she never let go of John and gladly accepted him back after he abandoned her for a year.
I doubt Bonnie would do that.
And I doubt Abigail would ever do that for another man other than John.
Also I suppose bonnie was eager for adventure and shooting because she grew up on a ranch, comparatively dull life.
Abigail has led a much worse life already and been on the run with Dutch's gang for years, she's seen the proverbial war.
She's had enough of death and crime and the dangers it brings because she's lived it already.
Unlike bonnie who still naively thinks such a life is an "exciting" life.
Ahhh he know the shortcut
I always thought during the second game that it is not fair everytime the gang talked shit about him or making him a fool
I think it would be cool if they redid rdr1 but gave us options for different endings like rdr2 or gta5.
That would ruin RDR1.
I'd like to see alternate dialogue mentioning other characters from rdr2 and another visit from Sadie or Charles.
@preternatural Yeah, not much of a change of ending. But I like that they gave you the option to have Arthur die peacefully rather than being shot by a rat.
I am taking that Normal line.
If they do red dead redemption remake include the stuff in the second game I think it would be More exciting and gives me a chance to forgotten caltos though in the second game
I would have wedded bonnie and gave her an Heir to The MacFarlane's Ranch,
Bill was my second hated character besides Micah. He was racist, a drunk who started fights and I knew he was gonna be the villain in RDR so I expected him to be the rat or something
Idk he was dealing with some stuff. In chapter 6 at the wagon robbery him and arthur get along pretty well.
How was he racist? Because he said he didn't like the natives literally scalping his friends? Before that they scalped innocent civilians including women and children before that they scalped each other including women and children. During this time they were also a main drive for violent crime in the country.
@@RealLenny which reminds me of some folks in real life that a good people when youre alone with them but just assholes in their main group. You mostly cant save those people
I think it's more of Bill was a victim of extreme untreated PTSD, alcoholism, and a deeply seeded need to be accepted rooted in childhood trauma.
And being an extreme asshole has members like Micah and Dutch encourage him so he feels partially accepted.
Lmao at Abigail trying to act tough.
aw i love bonnie
I know that he was only even thought of during the second game's development, but I wish that Arthur existed as a character during the first one. Like it feels wrong just saying how they ALL left John for dead, completely ignoring Arthur. But it makes sense.
Also, when it talks about John being half dead on the side of the road then being saves by somebody kind reminds me of Arthur's tuberculosis diagnosis scene
She looks like Cleet killer
Is it just me or I've always liked bill?
I’m confused can someone explain
Stop pitying Bill. He was an amazing character with no sad backstory.
I played the whole game and can't remember who the fuck bill is
The big fat guy who rides a shire horse. He robs the Valentine bank with you.
Whoa