383 SBC-WHAT WORKS? NITROUS, SUPERCHARGER, E85
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- FULL DYNO RESULTS. POWER GAINS? ZEX, 6/71 & E85. We Put Power Adders to the test! Using a BPE 383 Power Adder long block, we ran the test motor NA, then with Zex Perimeter Plate Nitrous, then with a Weiand 6/71 Supercharger (at 3 boost levels), then finally with boost on E85. How much power was each worth?
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Thank you bald dyno Jesus.
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Lol straight up
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Thank you Richard! Your the best thing that ever happened to TH-cam!!! Make sure you guys like comment and subscribe!!! There’s not another like him 🙏🏾
Richard does a really good job of engaging with the comments too. He's in Califonia, it's 2am there and he's already in the comments.
thnx-I look forward to the comments
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This channel is AWESOME!! So happy to watch and learn about ALL these different combos! Thank U!!
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS NITROUS 383!
Love all the small block stuff!!!
Yes definitely need some of that triple awesomeness. Great video as always.
Hey man if you could add part numbers to the items you're testing that would be awesome
Love ya much! Any merchandise! Keep em coming Richard best on the tube channels by far😁
I chuckled at the sweet corn E85. No one makes E85 out of sweet corn even though E85 is pretty sweet! lol
That was corney
fiendwithout - there is a kernel of truth to that
Your channel is my new addiction.. thank you for doing all of this.
I have to listen to a work mate who is stuck in the past blow about how much better the old school 327 and double jump heads are ...me, I'm all about the LS . How about testing the old school combos of the past so we know what we had back in the day when dyno testing wasnt being done by people like you.
I'd love to know myself. Take care.
I have lots of those
Do it!! Triple threat!! Im building a 383 stroker and this is the exact content im looking for!!!!
Been waiting for a while for this after he told me he was gonna put out a video of one. I'm building a nitrous 383. I'll tell ya the specs if u want to compare.
@@chasewebber4316 yea that would be cool. I actually haven't started the actual build yet. Getting it all down on paper before i start, and finishing off the chassis. Shoot me an email evarts22@gmail.com
@@chasewebber4316 I know this is 2 years old but the off chance you see this, I would like your specs!
Interesting and entertaining with dyno info, does it get any better, must admit I imagined 383 with blower doing bit better than 700 on e85 but that's what's so good, it is reality not theory
More power adders video#2 👍🏾 I know where you going thanks Richard
Wow sweet that 383 rumbles
Let’s do some EGT testing. Across an LS long runner with different combos and fuel. So if the meth water is t reaching cylinders evenly you could see it on individual EGT probes. Then with or with out boost/nitrous and E-85 pump 93 and methanol fuel.
Love the channel and content. Good work!
Keep the sbc videos coming!save the sbc!
Been looking at this exact engine and a 6-71 for a front engine dragster project. Good info
Circa 2002: I built a 454 4bolt ported 2.19 1.88 oval heads heavy TRW forged piston, Comp 292 Magnum cam RPM Airgap 850 Holley. Ran great. Later bolted 8-71 Wieand with 2 850s, made 800hp at 5500, absolutely insane for those days. Incredibly low budget for that power back then..
Love a good old sbc
Enjoying the sbc stuff. Roots on E85 was a treat.Twin screw next?
Love it 💪🏻
Awesome always had a love for a roots blower
Where's the blow through turbo ? Lol . Love the videos keep up the good work.
My question is how much would a 100 jet turn into on a roots blower?
They say a 100 shot on a turbo car could turn into a 250 wheel increase ?
Keep the vids coming ! Love real world results ! 👍🏻
Hit the like cause it's the least I could . You're doing all the testing. Dang,,, make me feel bad! Hahaha keep them coming.....
I’d like to see blown 383 on E85 with nitrous.
Yes sir I would love to see that myself. I can tell you firsthand Nitrous on top of a blower even running Race Gas will give a lot more gain then it’s supposed to because it will make the blower super efficient
@@squeeksbigtwinssbtexhaust7339 we used to run a 69 Camaro 32 years ago. Stock chassis 28x10 slicks, 509 with a dyers 8-71 and a big shot under each carb. Was an absolute monster in its day.
On my iron headed flat top 383, I used a Big Shot plate with a .120 bottom exit solenoid. Ran 120n 85f jets. Was a monster in a street G body..
great numbers like the look of the blower
About 6 months ago I took delivery of a C4 that I had "resto modded" basically a track car. For nostalgic reasons, I had the LT1 rebuilt as a 383 with forged internals, AFR LT1 heads, a medium strength comp cam 224/230 112LSA, Holley ECU, Coil on Plug conversion w/EFI 24X system, blah, blah...
At roughly 11.2 compression and 93 octane it puts out 452whp @ 6200 rpm w/434 wft/lb @4200 with over 365 ft/lb available from 2200 to 6000. A gen II SBC so not exactly the same but in the ball park. It makes for a very nice autoX, track, and street package. Instant torque & throttle response with enough "high end" power to be useful on the road courese.
Which Holly EFI system did you go with? How did you enjoy the tuning experience?
@@otm646 HP EFI. I enjoyed paying somebody to build/tune it. ;-)
That’s a good look at the old sbc !! @Richard holder Have you ever used 4 pattern cam ! I have a 434 ci sbc almost built and I’m kinda regret spending the money on it instead of building an Ls 😬 this is why I have so many questions. Also that air gap makes more torque then a Victor Senior ?
Love your videos!!!! you rock!!!!!
Cmon everyone. Push that subscribe button. It’s like nitrous for Richard.
You’ve already seen a baseline of Holdener’s Hands. Let’s see what happens when we add a shot of 1 million subscribers.
Great video as always Richard
Love your videos
Good to know as I'm currently building a 383 for a project. Low buck 11:1 compression with cheaper but good flowing heads and aggressive flat tappet cam.
If you have e85 reliably in your area you can still run boost on it. E85 usually measures out at 102-106 octane but the charge cooling makes it work better under boost.
This was fun, I enjoyed the corn juice.
Another Awesome Video that helps me like usual..I have a horrible sm chevy in my Pro Street Camaro w/a BDS 6:71 but Lousy 355😩.Ur experience with E85 is what I need to know abt & I will be changing to E85 carbs..I would like to try an Injector on E85, B & U jetted for Alcohol..Im hoping to get abt 700Hp that I can drive around..The heat issue u speak of was terrible w/a BBC & Overdriven BDS 6:71..It made So Much Heat in blower that when I finally got where I was going the engine temp would shoot up to 220-230 so I had my wife follow me w/a Big 5gal race fuel jug filled with water!😮..I am definitely gona do what you suggest to do bcz this was very helpful video, thanks again Richard🎸🎸🎸
I'd like to see the blown, e85, Nitrous! I run a forged bbc 402ci with gen V 088 head and a B&M blower on e85 in a boat, I have been contemplating if it would make much tq. I know my blower will condensate so much the top of the intake stays puddled with condensation. Maybe use a diff fuel for the nitrous? Anyway you said it so I hope to see you try it soon, its all sitting right in front of you....lol. Enjoying your videos man keep it up, good content! I like seeing old school chevys tested on!
Hurray rich did a motor that I thought of for him to do.
You forgot the twin turbos sir. So us more boost applications with the 383 stroker, what are its limits
Any way we can get a video of this 383 with max boost and running nitrous.
The cooling of the nitrous would make the blower 100% efficient.
Be nice to see you do a video on it as lots of people are going this route now.
I'd like to see a pump gas 400 or 434 build, old tech vs new tech. Like old iron darts vs CNC aluminum heads
#2 turbo! E85! 1000 HP!
Worth a revisit is the 871 blower build you did in 2012 for super chevy.
383 Baby!!!!!!!!!!!
Piston dome compression comparison would be a great video
1 point compression adds 3-4% power
I would love to hear a build for a 383 that's all out racing. Radical cam strictly track
Just finished building mines about to swap this 4.3l V6 94 Chevy!
Being a power adder deal I'd think you'd be safe with a 250 shot of nitrous, I bet it would have made some awesome numbers!
And nitrous is cold!
Still waiting on sloppy stage 2 vs the world! Ss2 vs ss3? Haha. Like subscribe and ring the fuckin bell people!
Had a 383 with nitrous in a 66 Chevelle man that thing was nice
Back in the old days, had a stock 396 (1966). WANTED more POWER, replaced with built 427, would run slicks on Friday & Saturday.
Would ride like a Cadillac.
I was looking at this exact engine last week! I would love to see your twin turbo dyno results!
no twin turbos on this 383
@@richardholdener1727 how much boost do you think it can handle?
@@partainbanner Boost is a number. I'd assume since it's marketed as a power adder shortblock, its likely rated to 900+ flywheel horsepower.
@@partainbanner It's not how much boost, but how much power can it handle.
@@richardholdener1727 could you please settle an online debate. What head piston combo is better for a 9.5 sbc daily driver. 75cc chamber with flat tops or 64cc chamber with D dish pistons.
Like ur tests I think your right try nitrous on the blower with pump gas tanx
I need to figure out this combo for efi. Going to pull my motor on my K5 Blazer on 40's with one ton axles. Have to do efi as it's often at very weird angles at very high altitudes. 🤔
Those BluePrint engines run pretty damn good, my bud Scott works for them. I really like ethanol fuel, cheap easy crazy power. You can make it at home as long as you don't drink it and ya get the free permit.
Daily driving a 13:1 iron head NA Pontiac 455 that makes the same torque as the blown 383 (over a wider RPM range) with a Qjet on E85 is seriously fun. Tires and transmissions aren't so fond of it. Its too bad I can't bring one of my engines out there and run it, nobody in the magazine world wants to run anything but very mild daily driver Pontiac engines under 500hp/tq... ever since they killed the Pontiac specific mags there hasn't been any coverage of these engines, its all chevy and Ford stuff with a bit of Mopar..
Tossed a crank kit in it and sent the heads to be ported and milled, then splurged a bit on the hydraulic roller cam so that 455 cost me $4200 to build. It would easily make the same power with a $150 flat tappet hydraulic cam and be closer to $3000. Kinda makes the crate chevys look expensive for the minimal power they make.
13:1? Yes you will be putting good gel in the poncho! I also like to be different and am running a bb olds but at 11:1 I would if went higher but don’t know about the corn permit? Message me on social media I’d like to know more. Thank you! And thank you Richard Holdener for all the hard work and hours you put in to provide the data so that we may build projects that are proven and don’t waste so much $. What’s more for people you don’t even know!!! That’s huge hats off to you sir!!!
@@mikestufano4961 you only need the permit if you plan to produce ethanol, you can run E85, E90 or E98 in your vehicle without any permits or anything. All you need to run ethanol is a dedicated carb or EFI system tuned for it, and enough supply capacity to feed your engine. Its not as dire as most claim it is, in my street driven cars its all stock sized hard lines and stock tanks. You need to make sure its all clean though, because gasoline leaves varnish and residue that ethanol cleans out.
Making ethanol is moonshining if you don't have the BATF permit for a micro producer. All you need to do is look up the ethanol fuel production permit, its free under 5000 gallons per year.
Making enough fuel to run your car takes up quite a bit of space. Its not really something you can do in the suburbs, and no way to do it in an apartment unless you plan to only run small engines on it. Small engines have no problem with ethanol, but a big problem with additives they put in it when mixed with gasoline. That is what is causing problems, not ethanol.
You need a source of sugar, water, and a place to go with what comes out of the still, like a herd of cattle, chickens, hogs, or earth worms or something else that will eat it and produce something useful. There might be a lot of it depending on the source of sugar. Its all edible, the water is reusable, and there is nothing toxic about it unless you're microbial life. It also works great as a hand sanitizer and degreaser.
Using bakers yeast you get one gallon of ethanol from ten gallons of water, because the yeast can only tolerate 10% of their waste (ethanol) in the water they live in. There are hardier strains of yeast that can withstand 20% so you get 2 gallons per ten, and like I said before, you can use most of it again if you capture it and filter out any solids. Using 55 gallon drums for fermentation will yield you 5 gallons per barrel. So you need four barrels to fill the 20 gallon tank on your car. It takes about a week for the whole process using the batch method I use.
It takes work and planning, most of the work involved is collecting the starch/sugar, and cleaning, the yeast do the really heavy lifting turning the sugar into ethanol and CO2. Making an engine run on ethanol is easy, but depending on which carb you have to convert, it can be involved to varied degrees. Qjets are involved because they have a wide tuning range, Holleys are metering block mods and a booster swap.
Its easier to run E85, I do that too. But I have to drive 2 hours to fill barrels, then drive back. Nobody sells it closer to where I live. Usually a carb swap is all you need, unless the car has spent the better part of a decade on race gas or ethanol free gasoline, in which case it will have varnish and sludge that will plug the pump, filter, and carb/injectors when ethanol cleans it out.
Its a different thought process tuning for ethanol, using the same methods you use for gasoline will make power, but you can make so much more running rich and hot.
hey Richardfirst of all I want to give you props on your videos brother if they're very informative you're knowledgeable on a number of things! I have an 87 GM zz3 crate motor in an 81 regal I'm looking to add nitrous just something nice for a daily driver with a pretty good punch and reliability what do you recommend could you let me know a kit I'm sure it's probably a zex kit that's what you guys use a lot please let me know man if you have time thank you 👍
zex or sniper works well
@@richardholdener1727 I see kits for under $100 then I see kits for 600 what do I need exactly to buy to get n to install..
@@richardholdener1727 amen I wanted to ask you one more question I got no response... When you get time witch kit like I said I see them $400 to $600 what's needed.Done.
jesus that small block was screaming
Subscribed!
Turbo time. 😎👍🏻
Best thing on 350's
Im hoping richard will do something along the lines of tbi for us poor guys. Already have 383 with vortec heads in my 93 burb. I am hoping he could recommend a better efi system to better handle a supercharged induction. Have to spend what little money i can save very wisely
The bloodviking special
It would be exciting to do a sbc at 1000 hp on e85. But a stock block won't cut it. I'm an engine guru. I'd dare try it like this. Maybe with a sonic checked stock block. Hence the low rpm ceiling.
21 psi boost
Afr best, newest heads.
383 steel crank
Plate mounts, not side mounts
Blower 8 71
274 roller cam on full dur.
Duel 650 carbs
Steel main caps
Block fill
Flatop 9.5.1 pistons
Arp fasteners
Max rpm 5500.
Better yet, lets see a 383 combo that produces over 1000hp, the engine masters says it has that potential and more with the right combination, perhaps aluminum heads, fi tech fuel system on twin hairdryers
No FiTech...thats for sure. I have it on my BBC now. Not enough tuning parameters. They Holley Sniper is a much better choice.
Procharged Even better.
Username and pfp check out
Bro I'd love to see the 383 with the 6 71 blower, plus nitrous & e85 I'm building that right now for my 83 elco street /strip
How about a stroked 350 vs a destroked 400. Yesteryears two most popular cheap street crank swaps. The no replacement for displacement crowd 383 vs the we can spin 8000rpm all day 377 crowd.
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Be cool also you do a turbo on that combo with fuel injection, I am building a 383 also, with forged internals factory 4bolt main, with billet caps and arp bolts, set of AFR 210 race 76cc, make about 9.4 comp, and a crane cam 242/248 duration on 112 with 575 lift, with twin 68mm turbos, to make 1100hp, on a max of 16psi..hopefully it will work.
I built a forged 383 turbocharged heads cam intake ls1 ecu w/ efi and coil over plug for 6500 . Ever single part nut bolt gasket all new . You cant do that with a ls1
www.theturboforums.com/threads/a-machinist-a-turbo-and-his-l31-gmc.381269/
@@markrich3271 are you trying to brag or what cause this is like the 3 time I've seen this comment
@@chasewebber4316 no, maybe some one built similar, and says setup works
@@markrich3271 looks good!! I am also looking for reliable with air conditioning, and once in a while have some drag fun.
You've seen his lobe separation angle video right?
Could you do 350/ 383 with TPI set up? Most people bash them, but they make a ton of torque.
Of course you should of made it triple awesome
Would love to see something on the modern LT1( C7 Corvette Engine) and the (L86 & L87) Truck Engine and what the difference is.
i have those vids up too
Richard, any testing with Blowers and Water/Methanol vs none or vs E85? Would have loved to see that same E85 run with 50/50 Methanol/Water injection.
I don't think much gain adding it to E85
Yeah, the 250 shot on E85 would have been interesting. In the blower...more interesting..maybe cleanup involved lol.
Next: Centrifugal and turbo! 😉
I'm considering getting this engine as a short block and putting 220cc heads on it for a little more flow with the 6-71. Any ideas what to expect powerwise?
Could you do another on e85 with single and s480 and twin s366 turbos and see the results
Turbocharge 🤔🙏🏾
Blower + nitrous + E85? Interesting but sounds like a good way to find the weak spot in the rotating assembly. LoL.! PS. Do it!
What fuel pressure did you run on the nitrous kit, and what timing was it at on the e85 and nitrous
Would love to see this test with the procharger f-1a. 94 and e-85 ....with and without an intercooler...
it's like you already know what we did
Please do some V6 stuff like the GM LV3 and Ford's 3.7 . I'll bet there are tons out there for real cheap.
who makes cams for them
comp cams
they also supposedly uses 350 pistons and same stroke stroke.
Wow likely nice
Man 25 years ago if you had that blower there was nothing cooler. Turbos were not even on the radar. I never even seen a turbo car at the track. Now if you got that blower. It’s just a glorified heat pump on top of your engine. Lol. I still love them. Me and a friend did a 174 on a 331 stroker a couple years ago just for the cool factor. It only made 550hp but it was cool as hell
Turbo = big power
Blower = badass
2.5l turbocharged Chrysler minivans were blowing the doors off most cars on the road 25 years ago.
I remember those going into the 10s
Realized I wasn't subscribed, sorry Rich!
thnx for fixing it
What about a 10 to 1 406 LS on alcohol and 6-71 blower? What kind of power output sounds about right?
Is the powergain e85 vs gasoline just the difference in fuel or did you change the ignition?
very interested in your findings with the ls3 supercharged E85 and a 150 wet shot
it works fine
What was the end gap on those piston rings ? Top , second ?
question, if you wanted to inject nitrous as a top up to the lower state of tune blown motor, would you still use the perimeter plate beneath the carb? and if so would the jetting guide for NOS be the same. I have always assumed in my mind that fuel jets would need to be bigger on either a carb or a NOS plate when being drawn through a blower. My thoughts are that the fuel would wet/soak the blower rotors and so a percentage of fuel in the jet must accommodate for this. Am I overthinking this?
JETTING IS THE SAME
@@richardholdener1727 thank you for quick reply
Hi Richard you are the best ..I have questions I have a 383 small block I had high dome pistons put in it and am not happy can I run nitrous with that high dome piston I think it’s 11.1 ??
yes-with enough octane
OK I liked it and shared it, but can you explain to me why you wouldn’t Just use a small block 400 with those little short stubby 556 rods and make more power?
BPE supplied the motor and asked us to run power adders
Did you do any test on a small block 400 with stock rods?
What is the threshold for a 96 to 99 vortec bottom end?
What size were the blower carbs?
There' s nothing like the big ol' Weiand sticking out the hood with a pair of 4 barrels sitting on top!
Screw packaging.
Those blower assemblies are heavy...
Agreed, bad ass
Maybe someday you can run a Quadrajet against the Holley and see if we could have equal power
I want to see that ALSO.
Turbo's please, single and twins with nitrous???
I was waiting for nitrous and blower pull on e85.
That would be nice to see with the lights off in the dyno room. The nitrous runs have just a touch of flame out the pipe, with 15 pounds and a 200 shot there would be a pretty good show.
Good old SBC. But... Didn't you make same NA power and more boosted power with a turbo'd 5.3? I know that's comparing apples to oranges. How much did the longblock cost?
Well to be fair, the 5.3 was running more boost. Waay more.
@@fonzieramirez296 they ran a 5.3 in one of those tests and stepped the boost up to the same level and it made more power than this.
What was the blower jets set at how large .on the E85
Hey Richard I was wondering what would happen if you sprayed nitrous to the supercharged 383? With the roots style blower you stated it liked the cooling properties that the e85 gave so I was just wondering how would a 100 shot with the supercharger act. Also I have a 11.5.1 comp. 383 and i spray 250 shot can i throw a supercharger on it or will i grenade my engine.
that would be a lot
Love your videos man keep them coming
I’d really like to know the price tag for all these engine combos that you test
Generally he gives the specs for everything, so you have to look it up. Creators generally don't post prices because they vary between retailers and are always subject to change.
Engine BP38316CT1 is $6,200 the blower $3,800 for the polished or $3,400 for non polished. The carburetor be about another $1,000 maybe a little more. With plugs wires fuel lines and pump be around $12,000 . I know bc I looked into doing this set up for my hot rod decided it was to much for me. So just got a 383ci dressed from blueprint. For under 5k
@@erickvorst5776 I built a forged 383 turbocharged heads cam single plane 4150 tb w/ efi intake ls1 ecu w/ efi and coil over plug for 6500$ . Ever single part nut bolt gasket all new .
www.theturboforums.com/threads/a-machinist-a-turbo-and-his-l31-gmc.381269/
@Struinzu Vaffencullo that's the truth!
@Robert Ambrose yeah, too bad they're ugly