Coming back to these videos after like a decade is so fun. Equally hilarious seeing the comment section pros spend time seriously analyzing tuff fish hands
I have to wait for my jaw hinge to tighten up again before I can start to think about analysis. It was hanging open too long after that fold. Edit: Ok, after a sufficient amount of waiting, it's this: call there. 2nd Edit: Thanks for all the well wishing comments guys, Doc says the jaw should be fine. Recommends I don't watch any more of these videos.
That is seriously one of the most standard check-calls to the river I think I've ever seen. Hero plays the hand perfectly but he definitely doesn't even try to read villain. AQ is already on the board. Hero raised 20 pre which would be 5x the BB. Villain cold calls on button. If AQd is out on the board, what Kd would he have in that situation? K10 or KK. If he's halfway decent, he would only play K10 suited (even then that's marginal), which is pretty unlikely considering Heros perceived range preflop. It's an insta call in almost all scenarios.
I totally agree with ya. Hell, yesterday I folded top pair on the flop (I had AK, flop came up JK2) to a weak bet. Then I was like, hey, what the hell? Why did I fold?!?!?!
I love tuff_fish but he makes it hard on himself, you can't fold there. Especially since they will view him as VERY wide range and they will bet for value on very low flushes here. IMO Gotta love em tho!
with all that money in the pot that is a must call... it did look like he had it... but calling there is a plus play you call and cry for the amount of money in that pot...every single time
good old info raise ... why raise the turn to make him fold is bluffs`? since you pay the same amount if you check/call turn an river compared to your expert raise/fold turn.
Easy for you to say after seeing the hand tabletennisplayer. I think that we're all agreed that the problem lies in calling turn then folding the river. All the same, TF has a right to feel vulnerable. But let's look at this from the other side, 99 didn't exactly play this stellar either. He plays with 3rd pair on the board, been called after his bet on the turn then he goes ahead and bets on river anyway. Perhaps he had good reads on Tuff in which case nice play. But always risky
raise/fold turn is money burning, nothing else. if you think villian has bluffs in his range, then you can easily ch/c turn, and river. if you raise the turn you basicly invest the same amount of money, but with the result that you win less against his bluffs and loose the same amount against his nut flush.
we all have to remember these vids were recorded years ago when nlhe wasnt as aggresseve as it is nowadays. he probably was making a correct fold in context with the era dynamics. however his math about the river fold is incorrect, if he was giving the hand 50/50 probibility.
You must be really good if you know when you're beat all the time. Otherwise, us lesser humans do need pot odds while deciding when to call river bets.
I'm not sure how he could fold there. Even if he thinks the other guy has the king of diamonds, he still has to pay him off. He's getting great value to call with a big flush.
its actually agood fold on that kind of a board. This is a intelligent fold. The guy who bluffed that really made a bad move on a scary board. I think he can make a thin fold but way the guy bet it was lke he had the king of diamonds. 10 of diamonds maybe but unlikely. You guys cal lthat normally in a game on a 3 barrell on that board and you don't have the nuts your usually losing on the call on the river.
@fliptthescript lol its a terrible fold for that amount.Btw if he thinks he is behind he should fold the turn because his hand wont improve and if he is behind on the turn he is on the river
it's true, but you cant always base it on your return. There's a very small range in which he would be doing this with, namingly with the K of diamonds. If you play someone who never bluffs, and plays it that way, regardless of your return, if you're beat, you're beat, you should fold in some circumstances. I agree he should call here though, spesh against an aggro player on the button.
If you looked at the size of watchmynuts bets they weren't exactly impressive meaning he was trying to bluff value bets which is what turned tuff fish off in this situation. Personally, I think if you were invested as much as tuff fish was in that pot a call wouldn't have been a bad option, just to check his bluff.
"Better than 50/50, at least" Ok, tuff_fish. But you only need to be good ~25% of the time to make the call. Don't strain yourself thinking too hard. Folding is terrible.
This guy wshould announce the World Poker Tour. He would be better than Vince Van Patten, and his "He's got a wired pair", and Mike Sexton and his "HOLY MACKERAL" bullshit. Tuff for president.
"The chances of him having the Kd are better than 50%." Uhhh, yeah. And you're getting 3 to 1 on a river call after you called the turn. I don't see how this is ever a fold with the way it played out. Plus villian is running 44/18. Wtf tuff_fish?
wow, its been said just before me but i need to reiterate.. CHANCES OF HIM HAVING thE KD = 50%+ ??? wtf?? try using some math.. that'll let you know in HU situations he is at what,
Just commented on another video first time, saying that he really has no idea of poker at all, and each and every single comment he does makes it more and more obvious. This is the second video i watch, and the FIRST thing he does it making the BIGGEST possible beginners mistake ever, checking the flop and thus showing total weakness, and after that, putting the betting player on nuts... unbelievable.... hard to find a worse player with that bankroll i guess....
I thought you were setting him up by playing weak just so you could call off a bluff like that, why else call the flop and turn? Lol, you are you're own worst enemy.
Coming back to these videos after like a decade is so fun. Equally hilarious seeing the comment section pros spend time seriously analyzing tuff fish hands
I have to wait for my jaw hinge to tighten up again before I can start to think about analysis. It was hanging open too long after that fold.
Edit: Ok, after a sufficient amount of waiting, it's this: call there.
2nd Edit: Thanks for all the well wishing comments guys, Doc says the jaw should be fine. Recommends I don't watch any more of these videos.
Always gonna begrudgingly call here. You simply cannot fold.
He's Tuff Fish, he can fold what he likes.
Why would he call the turn and fold river? LoL
How on earth could you fold that? Never I might as well go down with a flush
This is the only tuff fish video that actually hurt me to watch
It's rare to find someone who really gets you.
He literally played every street wrong. That takes talent.
44 - 1 is not 50/50... this guy doesn't have a fuqqin clue. Also folding even a 50/50 with 3 - 1 pot odds... I couldn't...words...brain...pain....ow
That is seriously one of the most standard check-calls to the river I think I've ever seen. Hero plays the hand perfectly but he definitely doesn't even try to read villain.
AQ is already on the board. Hero raised 20 pre which would be 5x the BB. Villain cold calls on button. If AQd is out on the board, what Kd would he have in that situation? K10 or KK. If he's halfway decent, he would only play K10 suited (even then that's marginal), which is pretty unlikely considering Heros perceived range preflop.
It's an insta call in almost all scenarios.
+wrestlinglite Yeah your analysis is ok for today's poker. This was way back in the day though, most people were just clicking buttons, even at 2-4.
Shut up
This guy is a legend. WE WANT YOU BACK TUFF_FISH
The odds he had the K of D are more like 2% instead of over 50. Terrible, terrible fold...
THATS THE WORST FOLD EVER
RIP Mr. Fish. You were too good for this world.
"The chances of him having the King of Diamonds are better than 50/50 at least!!"
"But the chances of him having the King of Diamonds are better than 50-50 at least"
HAHAHA!!! this guy should announce poker on ESPN!
I totally agree with ya. Hell, yesterday I folded top pair on the flop (I had AK, flop came up JK2) to a weak bet. Then I was like, hey, what the hell? Why did I fold?!?!?!
I love tuff_fish but he makes it hard on himself, you can't fold there. Especially since they will view him as VERY wide range and they will bet for value on very low flushes here. IMO Gotta love em tho!
his experience does that he gets paranoid, and thinks he has the next best hand xD
Ha! This guy is a genius!
GOD I MISSED THE PARTPOKER GOLDEN AGE :(((((
good fold, he could of had the king of diamonds more than 80% of the time ^^
when i saw him fold i got physically angry
with all that money in the pot that is a must call... it did look like he had it... but calling there is a plus play you call and cry for the amount of money in that pot...every single time
after calling the turn too lol
I always fold secong.best hand always
Tuff fish sometime is scary chicken.
good old info raise ... why raise the turn to make him fold is bluffs`? since you pay the same amount if you check/call turn an river compared to your expert raise/fold turn.
the guy was betting it like he had the king of diamonds
Tough fish has to be right 26% of the time here to make the call profitable lolz
tuff fish is up 100 grand this year so far. Hes actually a pretty solid player. We all make mistakes even ivey folded a flush at the main event.
that's why you should lead out on the turn with 2nd nut flush. let this be a lesson to all you tuff_fish out there.
should've either bet or c/r the turn. tuff makes me cry.
Tuff fish needs to make a small check raise on the flop with a pair and a draw to get information about the strength of the opponents hand.
Easy for you to say after seeing the hand tabletennisplayer.
I think that we're all agreed that the problem lies in calling turn then folding the river. All the same, TF has a right to feel vulnerable.
But let's look at this from the other side, 99 didn't exactly play this stellar either. He plays with 3rd pair on the board, been called after his bet on the turn then he goes ahead and bets on river anyway.
Perhaps he had good reads on Tuff in which case nice play. But always risky
raise/fold turn is money burning, nothing else. if you think villian has bluffs in his range, then you can easily ch/c turn, and river. if you raise the turn you basicly invest the same amount of money, but with the result that you win less against his bluffs and loose the same amount against his nut flush.
Mad check on the river but damn.. How do not call that!!
omg i c him lose every time ..but when he has a hand he folds..lol
no I was thinking the same thing better to always play aggressive with draws such as that. Works for me anyways.
i love , when he is laughing when hee see the bluff
Haha he definitely talked himself into the other guy having the K. I bet if he didn't start off thinking that he might have called the river.
we all have to remember these vids were recorded years ago when nlhe wasnt as aggresseve as it is nowadays. he probably was making a correct fold in context with the era dynamics. however his math about the river fold is incorrect, if he was giving the hand 50/50 probibility.
Was a good 'value bet' on the river to discuss what essentially was a bluff, screaming that he wanted a caller. Bad fold though.
dummy folding, chances he had the kind d were so slim
#feelplayer
I played during the golden age but I was just as clueless as everyone else.
He had poket 9's and tuff fish thought he had the king of diamonds the only hand that beats his jack high flush
You must be really good if you know when you're beat all the time. Otherwise, us lesser humans do need pot odds while deciding when to call river bets.
I'm not sure how he could fold there. Even if he thinks the other guy has the king of diamonds, he still has to pay him off. He's getting great value to call with a big flush.
though.. he said "he wouldnt bet unless he had the Kd" well.. yes, if he knew you didn't have it
its actually agood fold on that kind of a board. This is a intelligent fold. The guy who bluffed that really made a bad move on a scary board. I think he can make a thin fold but way the guy bet it was lke he had the king of diamonds. 10 of diamonds maybe but unlikely. You guys cal lthat normally in a game on a 3 barrell on that board and you don't have the nuts your usually losing on the call on the river.
@fliptthescript
lol its a terrible fold for that amount.Btw if he thinks he is behind he should fold the turn because his hand wont improve and if he is behind on the turn he is on the river
it's true, but you cant always base it on your return. There's a very small range in which he would be doing this with, namingly with the K of diamonds. If you play someone who never bluffs, and plays it that way, regardless of your return, if you're beat, you're beat, you should fold in some circumstances. I agree he should call here though, spesh against an aggro player on the button.
Wow average VPIP for the table is 40.1, I wanna go back to 2005!!
if the chances of him have the K of daimonds is 50/50 then you should always call
Life earnings of Tuff_Fish= $-15,500, "that outta be sufficient".
@leos147
if the chances of him having the K of diamond is 66% then you should always call
Does this guy know that there is logic?
Are these cash games? Man... he has money to burn
terrible fold. When he said that "I know where the K of diamond is" iam like no, there is no chance he has a K diamond.
If you looked at the size of watchmynuts bets they weren't exactly impressive meaning he was trying to bluff value bets which is what turned tuff fish off in this situation. Personally, I think if you were invested as much as tuff fish was in that pot a call wouldn't have been a bad option, just to check his bluff.
@codimis thats why he is the FISH lol its a miracle that this guy plays 10 20 wish my bankroll would allow that
"Better than 50/50, at least"
Ok, tuff_fish. But you only need to be good ~25% of the time to make the call. Don't strain yourself thinking too hard. Folding is terrible.
4 to 1 on your money + 2nd nuts = .....not a fold
why would u pay for the river ?
unbelievable how soft the games were back in 2008, look at the bottom left on his HUD, the table is running 40/14 and this is a 2/4 game!!!!!!
This guy wshould announce the World Poker Tour. He would be better than Vince Van Patten, and his "He's got a wired pair", and Mike Sexton and his "HOLY MACKERAL" bullshit.
Tuff for president.
Instant classic
legend
Got suckered...i hate that.
Even if the guy has the K of diamonds 66% of the time, Tuff fish makes a profit by calling the river bet.
easy call
perhaps a defensive bet on the river could have saved you
lol should've been an easy call there i was sitting here thinking no way he has the k and of course he didn't.
Well fuck me to tears
wow.. he watched too much of that waterboat "education" videos on youtube
folding 2nd nuts getting 3 to 1 LOL
Are you any better..?
No..
he said 50/50 because when you play on party poker.. you ll perfectly understand:)
this guy is worth like 200,000, why would he fold a 75 dollar bet???
Really brave to post this video.
@World65FTW Cause he folded his flush.
All years winnings for tuff_fish: -$327,907
okay kiddo, whatever you say, lmao
didn't know arguments can be won by saying the same thing over and over again
I will try it, thanks for the ups bro
TBH i don't know what im saying. im only good at losing money, not winning.
"The chances of him having the Kd are better than 50%."
Uhhh, yeah. And you're getting 3 to 1 on a river call after you called the turn. I don't see how this is ever a fold with the way it played out. Plus villian is running 44/18. Wtf tuff_fish?
am i the only idiot who woulda raised the flop ?
what his nuts lol
wow, its been said just before me but i need to reiterate..
CHANCES OF HIM HAVING thE KD = 50%+ ??? wtf?? try using some math.. that'll let you know in HU situations he is at what,
naw if he had hte king of diamonds he owuld of bet way more on the river then 140.
He folded 2nd nuts against a 44 VPIP player and only having to call 1:3
fk me to tears
getting 1 to 6 actually
god tuff fish ur playing those stakes and expect positive results? jesus christ play at micro stakes for another 5-10 years
@Hurley5647 lol, i know i shouldnt, but it's painful to watch
actually its 4 to 1, call 70 to win 280
Just commented on another video first time, saying that he really has no idea of poker at all, and each and every single comment he does makes it more and more obvious.
This is the second video i watch, and the FIRST thing he does it making the BIGGEST possible beginners mistake ever, checking the flop and thus showing total weakness, and after that, putting the betting player on nuts... unbelievable.... hard to find a worse player with that bankroll i guess....
hows he getting 1 to 6 lol
that doesnt even make sense
mamma che scarso!cm si fa a foldare per 70 su quel pot col second nuts?
haha
keep telling yourself that
I thought you were setting him up by playing weak just so you could call off a bluff like that, why else call the flop and turn? Lol, you are you're own worst enemy.