I'm very surprised you didn't mention the biggest difference between these two games: the actual gameplay. Hit detection was completely reworked on the SNES version to feel far more satisfying than the arcade version. Also, the throwing enemies into the screen or side to side was basically random in the arcade version and was fully controlled and selectable in the SNES version. I'm shocked there hasn't been a ROM hack to make the SNES version have 4 players yet to this point with how popular it is. Because for me, aside from the minor graphical differences, it's the only thing the arcade version has over the SNES game.
The gameplay between the two is completely different but people who don't really play beat'em up mostly focus on visual and music rather than actual gameplay.
I think the Sega Genesis Golden Axe is better than the arcade too. Similar to this game, hit detection improved and "weight" added so it feels like you've hitting something. Plus it had an extra level.
I loved the snes version but have come to appreciate the smoother animation details in thr arcade version. The snes version lost a lot of animation in the port which is very noticable coming off playing the snes version. One problem with emulating the arcade version is not being able to pick a turtle since its based on the first player port being used. You can get around it but its anoying
There is a ROM of the 2 player cabinet out there. It lets you select any of the 4 turtles no matter which joystick you're using. Most 4 player games that have a dedicated joystick per character have a 2 player variant that lets you do this. The first TMNT, The Simpsons, Gauntlet etc.
The arcade game has slightly better graphics and animation, fuller sounding music from that Yamaha 2151 FM chip, more voice samples and sprite scaling. The SNES has more precise gameplay and those mode 7 stages but man this port is one of the first games I would rather play at home than at the arcade. It doesn't just feel like it wants you to keep feeding it quarters and actually gives you a chance to get through the game. Only thing I miss is that pizza power song in the intro from their coming out of our shells tour, i would watch the attract mode over and over just to hear that clip!
Fun fact, the throwing foot soldiers into the screen thing was actually not a Mode 7 effect. Common misconception that I just found out about the other day. I forget who explains it, but there's a TH-cam channel that did a video on mode 7 effects in games that aren't actually mode 7.
'Pizza Power, oh that's what makes us feel alright.' Turtles in Time is such an amazingly fun game. The choice between the arcade and SNES ports is a difficult one. I think the most fun to be had is with 4 players in this game, so choosing the arcade is a no-brainer if you have more than 1 friend (or arcade strangers) to play with. But, if it's just a solo affair or just you and one friend, well, the choice is extremely more difficult. I know a lot of fans prefer the SNES sound, but, me, I've always preferred the arcade soundtrack. The SNES music is great too, and in some ways better in ; however, I just prefer the arcade music. Otherwise, though, for 1 to 2 players, I'd go right with the SNES port. Or...if you want the best of both worlds, grab the MSU-1 hack with the arcade soundtrack (though it's not mixed in terms of balance maybe as well as it could be). So...this is an amazing game that everyone who enjoys side/belt-scrolling beat-em-ups should play in both incarnations, and, even if you are not a fan of the genre, maybe at least listen to the OST of the arcade and SNES versions of Turtles in Time and even Hyperstone Heist for the Genesis (and definitely listen to the soundtrack of TMNT III: The Manhattan Project too, since Konami just knocked it out of the park with that music). Fans of fun games should play it in this order to best appreciate the differences: 1. arcade, 2. SNES, 3. Hyperstone Heist, 4. SNES with MSU-1 patch. Of course, everyone should play the original '89 TMNT arcade game as well and the NES port of that (should have got a Genesis port as well, IMO...haven't seen anything of Master Linkuei's Genesis homebrew in years, but the Master System homebrew from xfixium is looking amazing for the system). As much as I love Turtles in Time (+The Arcade Game, Shredder's Revenge, and Hyperstone Heist, my favorite TMNT beat-em-up remains TMNT 3 on the NES.
While the SNES music isn't bad, I think the arcade music is much better. There are just certain elements of the SNES soundtrack that bother me, like how choppy the instrumentation is and the heavy use of orchestra hits. The arcade's FM sound is much smoother and matches the action better. I think it was this game that got me interested in taking a look at the MSU-1 hacks. Being able to play the SNES version of the game with the arcade music is a wonderful thing.
Arcade version is more nostalgic but for me the winner is hands down the SNES version. Tighter gameplay, more interesting bosses, and you can tell the game was redesigned for a more fulfilling console experience rather than sucking the quarters out of your pocket. The arcade version is straight up one of the most unfair and punishing arcade beat-em-ups out there that does not want you to get better. If you somehow survive a stage for 5 minutes without dying, it suddenly drops an instant-death bomb right on your head that is unavoidable unless you react with a move that gives you i-frames. It was probably designed as a measure to get back to the attract mode if the player walks away from the machine, but some of those stages are longer than 5 minutes so it ends up punishing anyone going for a 1 credit clear. There's also the Genesis version (Hyperstone Heist) which is rarely mentioned. It's not quite as good as the SNES version but it's worth playing as it has an exclusive stage and a bunch of other differences.
Both are excellent, I'm a little more partial to the SNES version due to the extras and how impressive of a conversion it was for the time especially when you consider this was released only a couple years after the NES port of the original game which really demonstrated how much of a powerhouse the SNES was, yes the graphics and the music were better in the arcade but not by much, however the one thing I like more in the arcade version is just the pacing of the game it just flows a little quicker for me. Both versions are included within the Cowabunga Collection and I recommend playing both you can't go wrong with either.
Played the 4 player arcade machine years ago and man it was something else, what fun we had throwing 10p’s into that machine. The multi player aspect was the best thing about tmnt.
The effect of the Foot soldiers being thrown toward the screen isn't Mode 7. Its a common misconception. There is a video on TH-cam clarifying this. In short, it's just different sized sprites being displayed in succession to create that effect.
Here's the thing, both versions do not play "exactly the same". The snes version is better, not just because it has better boss fights and more content, it plays better. If you go into the options, you can turn on an option for controlling when you run. In the arcade version you only run after walking for a set amount of time. In the snes version, you can also control when you do the throw and ground slam. In the arcade version, these moves are random. Yes, the arcade version has more character animation, but the snes version has better gameplay.
During that fleeting pre teen to mid teen time- I remember seeing a Turtles in Time machine as a 14 year old only one time on vacation, and not being able to pickup (afford) someone else's progress during the continue screen. I never saw an arcade in PA with a Turtles in Time Machine..despite seeing the OG TMNT machine everywhere between 1989 to 1993. Then knowing about the SNES version, and not being able to play it because I had a Genesis. Renting the Hypertone heist for Genesis and not appreciating it and still not understanding gameplay patterns (which are critical in TMNT arcade games). Then waiting until 1998 as a college freshman for MAME and SNES emulators to be only somewhat capable of playing TMNT Turtles in Time...while being more interested in other things like girls and beer and having to do well in school. When the game finally could play on an emulator, on a Pentium 2, it still had problems where layers would flicker on and off. So you got most of the game, but not all of it. I played Turtles in Time for SNES (and Karate Kid for NES) the day before my daughter was born...before speeding my wife to the hospital when it was time. Turtles in Time is one of those really important games to me.
I would pick the SNES version. More than the extra levels and bosses, the actual controls just feel better and more responsive. If you can throw the foot soldiers into the screen intentionally in the arcade version, I haven't figured out how to, it feels random. The Shredder fight wouldn't work on arcade because of that. The ideal version of this game would be a merging of the two, the SNES's tighter controls and extra content with the arcade's superior graphics and sound. Kinda surprised no one has taken a crack at that fangame wise.
Only got to play the arcade version a few times as a kid, but I remember being more impressed with its version of the future stage, since it had the nice graphic of the buildings showing between the gaps in the road, plus more standard gameplay, whereas the SNES version felt like a drawn-out bonus stage with worse-than-F-Zero graphics
The music is better and the game allows for more enemies on screen with the arcade version in addition to allowing 4 players. Those things put that one over the top for me though it is awesome playing through the technodrome and fighting the rat king.
I agree with your conclusion that both games are different enough and good enough to both be worth playing. Many of the changes for the SNES version make a lot of sense as far as stage progression or help the presentation and gameplay. Of course, the first Shredder fight is very clever. It uses three background tile layers to make that happen. The actual background, Shredder in the foreground, and the fake scaling of the Foot Soldiers are all using background layers. And rearranging the game gets more bosses in. Bebop isn't even in the arcade, but putting him and Rocksteady on the pirate ship was a great move for the SNES game. SNES has other good changes. Auto run is optional. I initially hated the auto run in the arcade, so the option is very nice. I've since gotten used to it. For the home port, the two throws can be done reliably on demand and Konami incorporated that into the scoring system which matters for getting extends(3 points for screen toss, 2 points for side slam, 1 point otherwise). The turtles have much greater differences in the home version. Raphael is much faster but much weaker for the home port. Michaelangelo is the tank. I also like the way they made the hits feel in the SNES version. When you hit Foot Soldiers in the arcade, they flail about. In the SNES, they look properly stunned. That and the different sound effect make it feel like the impacts land harder. I also think they made the timing easier for the, I believe, four different jumping attacks. With that said, the arcade is a technical marvel. While the SNES does a nice job replicating the graphics, the arcade's animation is excellent. I also like the concrete monster in the prehistoric level. He's pretty easy, so that helps. I also strongly prefer the arcade music over the arranged SNES soundtrack. The SNES music isn't bad, but it was never to my taste and I think the arcade is way better that way. I also like Neon Night Riders better as a regular scrolling stage in the arcade as opposed to a Mode 7 bonus stage.
I wish someone would release a rom hack of the SNES to make it more inline with the arcade: Added 4p, enhanced MSX music, added animation frames, enhanced colors. Call it the Gnarly Edition or something With all these enhanced ports I’m seeing with the Sega Genesis like Mortal Kombat Arcade edition and Final Fight MD, I think it’s time to see SNES games get that kinda love.
Arcade of course! It was such an experience to play with friends on the massive cabinet with great audio and a huge screen - these games would be in my dreams as a kid
Oof!! Now that's a tough one VGE. I'm going with the Super NES version because it was a fantastic port that was on a rare occasion that the home console version was better for its time. 8^)
I have these and more via the TMNT: The Cowabunga Collection on PlayStation. I would say the answer to your question is difficult. Arcade has 4 player, better graphics and sound, but the SNES one has extra content. Perhaps the SNES version, merely due to it not being tuned to eat your change as fast as possible?
The arcade version might have four players on screen and awesomely detailed sprite work, which the SNES version is missing frames of animation but the SNES version more than makes up for it in terms of content with the extra level, different level designs and way better boss battles. Definitely the better game overall.
Strangely the Genesis port got a totally different name: subtitle The Hyperstone Heist. And it has a dedicated run button! I keep the full soundtrack of all 3 on my phone, can’t choose.
Close call, but I would have to pick the arcade version. The arcade had more enemies on screen at the same time and different types of enemies not on the Snes version. Also for the Snes version, it is too easy to grab the foot soldiers and slam them around, killing everyone that gets hit by that move. It's what I find myself doing a lot of the times. That's much harder to do in the arcade version.
I don't think they are using mode 7 for the screen throws but loading in different sprites. (I think mode 7 only works on background layers, and getting the throw to be a background layer would be too much of a sacrifice for the actual backgrounds. +No actual sprite scaling and rotation in the SNES afaiK) It was an impressive port, for sure! Turtles in Time, Castlevania IV, and Super Ghouls n Ghosts really stick out as big early bangers for the SNES.
You are correct. The Foot Soldiers thrown at the screen are a fake-scaling effect which was done to some degree on all the various major consoles(usually to scale down rather than up). It's clear in motion that the Foot Soldiers don't scale smoothly on the SNES, but in distinct steps, but it happens fast enough that it looks reasonably good. Though I call it fake scaling, it's a good effect under the circumstances. What's going on is that the game uses a video mode that allows a third background tile layer for the Foot Soldier toss so as not to have to deal with any horizontal sprite limits, and it redraws the tiles larger in sequence. One way to tell in game that it's using the third background layer for the toss is in stage one when giant Krang shows up. At that point you have the far background, the foreground, and Krang all being displayed as background layers which makes it impossible to do the screen toss until the segment with Krang is over. No matter what, the only throw the game allows during that part is the slide slams.
Arcade version has the better graphics and cleaner voice samples, but it plays like a button masher. Fun to play with 4 friends but nothing spectacular otherwise. SNES version has much better music, the Technodrome stage, and it plays like a proper beat 'em up. I absolutely love this one, even if Shredder's Revenge has objectively surpassed it.
Another key difference is Slash isn't even in the arcade version, you fight some low budget mud monster. I think that alone is the key reason for me the home version is better.
Play the super nes version semi reguarly. The last time I played the arcade was the collection release 2 years ago, and before that, when mame came along on the wii and I thought it would be fun to try it on the crt. As good as the arcade is, it’s not very well balanced being a coin eater. Even on hardest, the super nes version is wonderfully balanced and fair at all times.
There's no Mode 7 going on in the Shredder boss fight on SNES, the scaling sprites are just an animation. Anyway, I've never played the Arcade original, but like, I honestly always tend to prefer console versions if one is available, caveats and all, because they're pretty much always better balanced, and I find it kinda meaningless to beat a game by spamming the quarter button, whereas if I beat the console version, I feel like I beat it legit.
I’m a sucker for animation which is better on the arcade so I gravitate towards that version. But I’d much rather fight bebop and rocksteady pirates than Toka and razor so for long play, SNES.
@ ah yes, I have been using GroovyMiSTer to stream from a mini PC running mame :) What I would love to see is an arcade rom hack that brings the two together!
The Cowabunga Collection on Steam has the arcade and SNES version of the game, along with about 10 other titles. Just don't get the Switch version. That always loses out against PC/console ports.
The original arcade version is vastly superior when it comes to animations and music, but the SNES version offers better controls and a complete experience. It's a tough call...
Dinosaur stage arcade version boss fight some blob looking thing. Same stage snes boss fight slash enough said. Arcade just good because of 4p and better graphics but snes version wins overall.
SNES has much tighter controls and fewer but more powerful enemies who require a full combo to be killed. Arcade version has slippery controls, hits feel weaker, the moves are random, combos don't connect as well and it's too chaotic. SNES wins.
I'm taking the SNES version, as the overall better package beats out slightly better graphics. The graphics aren't better by enough to justify all the content you'd lose. Obviously in the Cowabunga collection you get to play both, but the Snes version always felt like a more complete game and is my favorite of the two.
@@VideoGameEsoterica It's a shame the reshelled version wasn't the definitive version it could have been. I played it and found myself still wanting play the Snes version over it. It came out so much later and had much more powerful hardware than either of the previous versions and felt underwhelming.
@VideoGameEsoterica Especially when you learn all intricacies and begin to break everything down. I love beat em ups so i play them repeatedly. But i get it they're meant more for multi-player fun.
These ports are always a great service, arcades were harder to find than rental stores in my area. In a way, cheaper too. "Stand here while I go and lose your five dollars" is a hard sell to parents as an elementary school kid.
I personnely prefer the ARCADE version just because I played the game in the arcade on release in 1991 before even owning a SNES, so I always prefered the arcade aesthetic and art design, I love the way minions vanish in an upward light show, it seems when you kill a minion, that he's going back to his timeline, while in the SNES version they simply explode within a few frames, it looks cheaper. But thats my opinion. Of course I do love the SNES version as well because it is so closed to the arcade and yes its a longer ride and they simply improved the arcade version but with some system limitation unfortunately, otherwise the SNES version is a clear winner as far as gametime is concerned. Like you said JUST PLAY BOTH VERSIONS !!!! The arcade 1st and the snes version 2nd, and you get it all !
The only aspect in which the arcade version is better is the graphics. And not by much. The arcade gameplay is really unfair with stupid mechanics to take your quarters. The snes version is more fun, fair and balanced. It also has more content, levels, bosses and story. You can finish it in 1 credit without problems and enjoy it, the arcade is impossible, almost a nightmare, most people don't try to play the game seriously to understand its mechanics, they just spam credits.
You're not watching TH-cam on a CRT? Poser. Seriously though... TH-cam compression is awful and anything but raw pixels gets ugly artifacting, so please ignore this person with magic TH-cam void power and keep releasing clean feed content.
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 88 | คู่เอก "ป้อมเพชร vs อัสลามจอน"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ZqTVVbMgbo/mqdefault.jpg)
![[#2024MAMA] BIGBANG (빅뱅) - 뱅뱅뱅 (BANG BANG BANG) + FANTASTIC BABY | Mnet 241123 방송](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EQsYfiPR9uM/mqdefault.jpg)
I'm very surprised you didn't mention the biggest difference between these two games: the actual gameplay. Hit detection was completely reworked on the SNES version to feel far more satisfying than the arcade version. Also, the throwing enemies into the screen or side to side was basically random in the arcade version and was fully controlled and selectable in the SNES version.
I'm shocked there hasn't been a ROM hack to make the SNES version have 4 players yet to this point with how popular it is. Because for me, aside from the minor graphical differences, it's the only thing the arcade version has over the SNES game.
Both hit detections feel good so I more focused on presentation and content
I was going to say the same thing. Play control was vastly better in the home conversion
The gameplay between the two is completely different but people who don't really play beat'em up mostly focus on visual and music rather than actual gameplay.
Agreee. One of the rare occasions, especially in the 16-bit era, where the home version is better than the arcade original.
It rarely happened but it did here
I think the Sega Genesis Golden Axe is better than the arcade too.
Similar to this game, hit detection improved and "weight" added so it feels like you've hitting something.
Plus it had an extra level.
I should add that to the Port Authority list
I agree wholeheartedly. The biggest difference for me is the hit detection; it's so much crisper on the SNES.
Naaaa sorry guys but arcade is better… and I grew up playing the snes version.
The Rat king boss fight is awesome because he is riding a vehicle from the toyline!!
I had so many of those toys in the early 90s
That’s called merchandizing. It’s exploitation of kids.
I loved the snes version but have come to appreciate the smoother animation details in thr arcade version. The snes version lost a lot of animation in the port which is very noticable coming off playing the snes version. One problem with emulating the arcade version is not being able to pick a turtle since its based on the first player port being used. You can get around it but its anoying
The best part is we get two great versions. Everyone wins!
There is a ROM of the 2 player cabinet out there. It lets you select any of the 4 turtles no matter which joystick you're using. Most 4 player games that have a dedicated joystick per character have a 2 player variant that lets you do this. The first TMNT, The Simpsons, Gauntlet etc.
@homiedclown yes that was the general setup for the diff cabs
@@homiedclown The Cowabunga Collection has these and about 10 other turtle games on Steam.
Tough choice, I would have to go with...
... wait, what's that? IT'S TRIBUTE GAMES WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
🤣
The arcade game has slightly better graphics and animation, fuller sounding music from that Yamaha 2151 FM chip, more voice samples and sprite scaling. The SNES has more precise gameplay and those mode 7 stages but man this port is one of the first games I would rather play at home than at the arcade. It doesn't just feel like it wants you to keep feeding it quarters and actually gives you a chance to get through the game. Only thing I miss is that pizza power song in the intro from their coming out of our shells tour, i would watch the attract mode over and over just to hear that clip!
It’s rare the console eclipses the arcade but this may be the first time
Fun fact, the throwing foot soldiers into the screen thing was actually not a Mode 7 effect. Common misconception that I just found out about the other day.
I forget who explains it, but there's a TH-cam channel that did a video on mode 7 effects in games that aren't actually mode 7.
Good to know
'Pizza Power, oh that's what makes us feel alright.' Turtles in Time is such an amazingly fun game. The choice between the arcade and SNES ports is a difficult one. I think the most fun to be had is with 4 players in this game, so choosing the arcade is a no-brainer if you have more than 1 friend (or arcade strangers) to play with. But, if it's just a solo affair or just you and one friend, well, the choice is extremely more difficult. I know a lot of fans prefer the SNES sound, but, me, I've always preferred the arcade soundtrack. The SNES music is great too, and in some ways better in ; however, I just prefer the arcade music. Otherwise, though, for 1 to 2 players, I'd go right with the SNES port. Or...if you want the best of both worlds, grab the MSU-1 hack with the arcade soundtrack (though it's not mixed in terms of balance maybe as well as it could be). So...this is an amazing game that everyone who enjoys side/belt-scrolling beat-em-ups should play in both incarnations, and, even if you are not a fan of the genre, maybe at least listen to the OST of the arcade and SNES versions of Turtles in Time and even Hyperstone Heist for the Genesis (and definitely listen to the soundtrack of TMNT III: The Manhattan Project too, since Konami just knocked it out of the park with that music). Fans of fun games should play it in this order to best appreciate the differences: 1. arcade, 2. SNES, 3. Hyperstone Heist, 4. SNES with MSU-1 patch. Of course, everyone should play the original '89 TMNT arcade game as well and the NES port of that (should have got a Genesis port as well, IMO...haven't seen anything of Master Linkuei's Genesis homebrew in years, but the Master System homebrew from xfixium is looking amazing for the system). As much as I love Turtles in Time (+The Arcade Game, Shredder's Revenge, and Hyperstone Heist, my favorite TMNT beat-em-up remains TMNT 3 on the NES.
Now all I want is pizza 🤣
I still sing this song anytime I order a pizza 😂
@qwert9876 as one should
While the SNES music isn't bad, I think the arcade music is much better. There are just certain elements of the SNES soundtrack that bother me, like how choppy the instrumentation is and the heavy use of orchestra hits. The arcade's FM sound is much smoother and matches the action better. I think it was this game that got me interested in taking a look at the MSU-1 hacks. Being able to play the SNES version of the game with the arcade music is a wonderful thing.
Arcade, better graphics and sounds, 4 players co-op. SNES, more polished gameplay.
And everyone wins because we can play both
Arcade version is more nostalgic but for me the winner is hands down the SNES version. Tighter gameplay, more interesting bosses, and you can tell the game was redesigned for a more fulfilling console experience rather than sucking the quarters out of your pocket. The arcade version is straight up one of the most unfair and punishing arcade beat-em-ups out there that does not want you to get better. If you somehow survive a stage for 5 minutes without dying, it suddenly drops an instant-death bomb right on your head that is unavoidable unless you react with a move that gives you i-frames. It was probably designed as a measure to get back to the attract mode if the player walks away from the machine, but some of those stages are longer than 5 minutes so it ends up punishing anyone going for a 1 credit clear.
There's also the Genesis version (Hyperstone Heist) which is rarely mentioned. It's not quite as good as the SNES version but it's worth playing as it has an exclusive stage and a bunch of other differences.
SNES is def the more concise version. But both are awesome. Just play it back to back
snes cant mode 7 sprites, enemies at screen is plain old animation, good game
SNES has more effects for the game
Both are excellent, I'm a little more partial to the SNES version due to the extras and how impressive of a conversion it was for the time especially when you consider this was released only a couple years after the NES port of the original game which really demonstrated how much of a powerhouse the SNES was, yes the graphics and the music were better in the arcade but not by much, however the one thing I like more in the arcade version is just the pacing of the game it just flows a little quicker for me.
Both versions are included within the Cowabunga Collection and I recommend playing both you can't go wrong with either.
Yes that’s the real result. Both versions are legit
Played the 4 player arcade machine years ago and man it was something else, what fun we had throwing 10p’s into that machine. The multi player aspect was the best thing about tmnt.
Bringing three friends along for the ride was the best part
The effect of the Foot soldiers being thrown toward the screen isn't Mode 7. Its a common misconception. There is a video on TH-cam clarifying this. In short, it's just different sized sprites being displayed in succession to create that effect.
Noted :)
Here's the thing, both versions do not play "exactly the same". The snes version is better, not just because it has better boss fights and more content, it plays better. If you go into the options, you can turn on an option for controlling when you run. In the arcade version you only run after walking for a set amount of time.
In the snes version, you can also control when you do the throw and ground slam. In the arcade version, these moves are random. Yes, the arcade version has more character animation, but the snes version has better gameplay.
Plays the same to me = the same fun
During that fleeting pre teen to mid teen time- I remember seeing a Turtles in Time machine as a 14 year old only one time on vacation, and not being able to pickup (afford) someone else's progress during the continue screen. I never saw an arcade in PA with a Turtles in Time Machine..despite seeing the OG TMNT machine everywhere between 1989 to 1993. Then knowing about the SNES version, and not being able to play it because I had a Genesis. Renting the Hypertone heist for Genesis and not appreciating it and still not understanding gameplay patterns (which are critical in TMNT arcade games). Then waiting until 1998 as a college freshman for MAME and SNES emulators to be only somewhat capable of playing TMNT Turtles in Time...while being more interested in other things like girls and beer and having to do well in school. When the game finally could play on an emulator, on a Pentium 2, it still had problems where layers would flicker on and off. So you got most of the game, but not all of it.
I played Turtles in Time for SNES (and Karate Kid for NES) the day before my daughter was born...before speeding my wife to the hospital when it was time. Turtles in Time is one of those really important games to me.
Turtles then a baby. Sounds like a busy 24 hours!
I would pick the SNES version. More than the extra levels and bosses, the actual controls just feel better and more responsive. If you can throw the foot soldiers into the screen intentionally in the arcade version, I haven't figured out how to, it feels random. The Shredder fight wouldn't work on arcade because of that.
The ideal version of this game would be a merging of the two, the SNES's tighter controls and extra content with the arcade's superior graphics and sound. Kinda surprised no one has taken a crack at that fangame wise.
Extra levels and bosses make the diff for me
Only got to play the arcade version a few times as a kid, but I remember being more impressed with its version of the future stage, since it had the nice graphic of the buildings showing between the gaps in the road, plus more standard gameplay, whereas the SNES version felt like a drawn-out bonus stage with worse-than-F-Zero graphics
Arcade has a bit more visual flare it’s true
The graphics and the four players goes to the arcade, but the soundtrack was better on the SNES in my humble opinion 🙂
If only we could combine the game into one master version
I'd bet it could be done on something like OpenBor or the Streets of Rage Remake engine
The music is better and the game allows for more enemies on screen with the arcade version in addition to allowing 4 players. Those things put that one over the top for me though it is awesome playing through the technodrome and fighting the rat king.
Man, I love this game both versions the arcade and super Nintendo were amazing
Def a situation where both versions are awesome
I agree with your conclusion that both games are different enough and good enough to both be worth playing. Many of the changes for the SNES version make a lot of sense as far as stage progression or help the presentation and gameplay. Of course, the first Shredder fight is very clever. It uses three background tile layers to make that happen. The actual background, Shredder in the foreground, and the fake scaling of the Foot Soldiers are all using background layers. And rearranging the game gets more bosses in. Bebop isn't even in the arcade, but putting him and Rocksteady on the pirate ship was a great move for the SNES game.
SNES has other good changes. Auto run is optional. I initially hated the auto run in the arcade, so the option is very nice. I've since gotten used to it. For the home port, the two throws can be done reliably on demand and Konami incorporated that into the scoring system which matters for getting extends(3 points for screen toss, 2 points for side slam, 1 point otherwise). The turtles have much greater differences in the home version. Raphael is much faster but much weaker for the home port. Michaelangelo is the tank. I also like the way they made the hits feel in the SNES version. When you hit Foot Soldiers in the arcade, they flail about. In the SNES, they look properly stunned. That and the different sound effect make it feel like the impacts land harder. I also think they made the timing easier for the, I believe, four different jumping attacks.
With that said, the arcade is a technical marvel. While the SNES does a nice job replicating the graphics, the arcade's animation is excellent. I also like the concrete monster in the prehistoric level. He's pretty easy, so that helps. I also strongly prefer the arcade music over the arranged SNES soundtrack. The SNES music isn't bad, but it was never to my taste and I think the arcade is way better that way. I also like Neon Night Riders better as a regular scrolling stage in the arcade as opposed to a Mode 7 bonus stage.
Yes that really is the best conclusion; we were spoiled by having two amazing versions of the same game
I wish someone would release a rom hack of the SNES to make it more inline with the arcade:
Added 4p, enhanced MSX music, added animation frames, enhanced colors. Call it the Gnarly Edition or something
With all these enhanced ports I’m seeing with the Sega Genesis like Mortal Kombat Arcade edition and Final Fight MD, I think it’s time to see SNES games get that kinda love.
I bet one day that will happen
Arcade of course! It was such an experience to play with friends on the massive cabinet with great audio and a huge screen - these games would be in my dreams as a kid
It’s a close fight on this one
I'd go with the arcade original personally but it is pretty damn impressive what they pulled off on the SNES hardware
Really the end result is there are two awesome versions
Oof!! Now that's a tough one VGE. I'm going with the Super NES version because it was a fantastic port that was on a rare occasion that the home console version was better for its time. 8^)
I’d tend to agree. A rare instance of the home version beating the arcade
One of the few example of a superior home port! It would be a pizza crime if you didn't play this game!
I had to let the home port win for once haha
I have these and more via the TMNT: The Cowabunga Collection on PlayStation. I would say the answer to your question is difficult.
Arcade has 4 player, better graphics and sound, but the SNES one has extra content. Perhaps the SNES version, merely due to it not being tuned to eat your change as fast as possible?
Very difficult. There isn’t a real clear cut choice
The arcade version might have four players on screen and awesomely detailed sprite work, which the SNES version is missing frames of animation but the SNES version more than makes up for it in terms of content with the extra level, different level designs and way better boss battles. Definitely the better game overall.
My fav part is both are so good the real winner is us because we have two legit awesome versions of the same game
Strangely the Genesis port got a totally different name: subtitle The Hyperstone Heist. And it has a dedicated run button! I keep the full soundtrack of all 3 on my phone, can’t choose.
Genesis getting an oddball pivot version like Konami did with Sunset Riders
Close call, but I would have to pick the arcade version. The arcade had more enemies on screen at the same time and different types of enemies not on the Snes version.
Also for the Snes version, it is too easy to grab the foot soldiers and slam them around, killing everyone that gets hit by that move. It's what I find myself doing a lot of the times. That's much harder to do in the arcade version.
The good thing is both versions are so great we all win
Both versions are pretty good. The home port got more levels, but the arcade has better animation.
Yes that’s the best part. No real loser here
I don't think they are using mode 7 for the screen throws but loading in different sprites. (I think mode 7 only works on background layers, and getting the throw to be a background layer would be too much of a sacrifice for the actual backgrounds. +No actual sprite scaling and rotation in the SNES afaiK)
It was an impressive port, for sure! Turtles in Time, Castlevania IV, and Super Ghouls n Ghosts really stick out as big early bangers for the SNES.
It has mode 7 vibes but it could be some other hardware trick
You are correct. The Foot Soldiers thrown at the screen are a fake-scaling effect which was done to some degree on all the various major consoles(usually to scale down rather than up). It's clear in motion that the Foot Soldiers don't scale smoothly on the SNES, but in distinct steps, but it happens fast enough that it looks reasonably good. Though I call it fake scaling, it's a good effect under the circumstances. What's going on is that the game uses a video mode that allows a third background tile layer for the Foot Soldier toss so as not to have to deal with any horizontal sprite limits, and it redraws the tiles larger in sequence. One way to tell in game that it's using the third background layer for the toss is in stage one when giant Krang shows up. At that point you have the far background, the foreground, and Krang all being displayed as background layers which makes it impossible to do the screen toss until the segment with Krang is over. No matter what, the only throw the game allows during that part is the slide slams.
@@ravagingwolverine666 Oh! So perhaps they are using a background layer then! Very interesting, thanks.
That "pizza power" song i swear i heard from the Coming out of Our Shells tour. 😂 Idk if the game did it first tho
A long and storied history of good turtles music
Very good snes Port from konami also like Sunset Riders 👍
Konami always had great ports to SNES
@@cardetailingstudioaustria4121 Konami were wizards when it came to getting the most out of the Snes hardware.
Arcade version has the better graphics and cleaner voice samples, but it plays like a button masher. Fun to play with 4 friends but nothing spectacular otherwise.
SNES version has much better music, the Technodrome stage, and it plays like a proper beat 'em up. I absolutely love this one, even if Shredder's Revenge has objectively surpassed it.
It’s fun to play them back to back. See the differences and the similarities
Another key difference is Slash isn't even in the arcade version, you fight some low budget mud monster. I think that alone is the key reason for me the home version is better.
Poor mud monster. What did he do to you 🤣
Play the super nes version semi reguarly. The last time I played the arcade was the collection release 2 years ago, and before that, when mame came along on the wii and I thought it would be fun to try it on the crt. As good as the arcade is, it’s not very well balanced being a coin eater. Even on hardest, the super nes version is wonderfully balanced and fair at all times.
It’s def after your quarters. But so many arcade games are
SUPER NES is just a slight behind the arcade plus the extra stages are worth it
Extra content when it’s this good is always welcome
There's no Mode 7 going on in the Shredder boss fight on SNES, the scaling sprites are just an animation.
Anyway, I've never played the Arcade original, but like, I honestly always tend to prefer console versions if one is available, caveats and all, because they're pretty much always better balanced, and I find it kinda meaningless to beat a game by spamming the quarter button, whereas if I beat the console version, I feel like I beat it legit.
You can always just give yourself four credits on the arcade version and call it after that too
I’m a sucker for animation which is better on the arcade so I gravitate towards that version. But I’d much rather fight bebop and rocksteady pirates than Toka and razor so for long play, SNES.
The best part is you can play play them back to back. Best of both worlds
it’s a great time to be alive and with a MiSTer 😜
Hopefully we get a Turtles in Time arcade core eventually
@ ah yes, I have been using GroovyMiSTer to stream from a mini PC running mame :)
What I would love to see is an arcade rom hack that brings the two together!
The Cowabunga Collection on Steam has the arcade and SNES version of the game, along with about 10 other titles. Just don't get the Switch version. That always loses out against PC/console ports.
It’s fun they compiled them all together into one
*SNES is better and in Europe a lot of countries never got this sequel in arcades!* 💡⭐️
Yes it didn’t get near the distribution the original game did
The original arcade version is vastly superior when it comes to animations and music, but the SNES version offers better controls and a complete experience.
It's a tough call...
Good thing it’s easy to play both!
Arcade version always wins for me, even the home port is better. Arcade is arcade
It’s a tight race. Two amazing games
@ I'm not necessarily referring to this game. I'm generally pulled more to the arcade version just because 😁
Haha I get that. I feel the same a lot of the time
Wait is TiT fully compatible on MiSTer? I thought X-men was the current Konami project.
Only on SNES
Dinosaur stage arcade version boss fight some blob looking thing. Same stage snes boss fight slash enough said. Arcade just good because of 4p and better graphics but snes version wins overall.
4P makes a diff
Do you know if the arcade Turtles in time is coming to the Mister?
No definitive guarantees but I’m sure it will eventually
I like the SNES one because it is like a remixed version.
I wish we could jam both together as one
@VideoGameEsoterica they would have to jam Hyperstone Heist into that as well and have the best of all worlds.
@Jokerwolf666 hat trick rom hack
I played the arcade when it came out and it eat lots of quarters so I have to say the Arcade for me is the best!
The good thing is both are 10/10s
@@VideoGameEsoterica definitively! now with emulation the best thing is you can play either or as much as you want :)
Exactly. Options are limitless
Do speak in this rhythmic cadence in real life too? Like when you’re speaking with people? Or is it just how you do for your TH-cam videos?
🤷🏻♂️ depends on what I am saying. I swear a lot more IRL though that’s for sure
SNES has much tighter controls and fewer but more powerful enemies who require a full combo to be killed. Arcade version has slippery controls, hits feel weaker, the moves are random, combos don't connect as well and it's too chaotic.
SNES wins.
A close contest
arcade version does move a bit faster and smoother combat
Arcade always has the technical advantage
I'm taking the SNES version, as the overall better package beats out slightly better graphics. The graphics aren't better by enough to justify all the content you'd lose. Obviously in the Cowabunga collection you get to play both, but the Snes version always felt like a more complete game and is my favorite of the two.
SNES benefits by coming out second for sure
@@VideoGameEsoterica It's a shame the reshelled version wasn't the definitive version it could have been. I played it and found myself still wanting play the Snes version over it. It came out so much later and had much more powerful hardware than either of the previous versions and felt underwhelming.
@Lastjustice at least we still get good beat em ups from TMNT
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah we have, as even recently with Shredder's revenge. I'm glad beat em ups have made a come back.
SNES version is better for me simply because hitting foot soldiers has more impact.
And some fun Mode 7 stuff too
The Snes has a nr of very important gameplay tweaks improvements, but is also far too easy.
It can be a bit easier
@VideoGameEsoterica Especially when you learn all intricacies and begin to break everything down. I love beat em ups so i play them repeatedly. But i get it they're meant more for multi-player fun.
SNES
In this instance the home port takes the lead
Snes version wins . Would like to see snes remake with 4players.
Maybe one day. Games are getting mods all the time
The Snes version is way better. You can obviously see the impact of each hit and everything.
Just different IMO.
These ports are always a great service, arcades were harder to find than rental stores in my area. In a way, cheaper too.
"Stand here while I go and lose your five dollars" is a hard sell to parents as an elementary school kid.
Haha my dad loved arcades too so it worked
I personnely prefer the ARCADE version just because I played the game in the arcade on release in 1991 before even owning a SNES, so I always prefered the arcade aesthetic and art design, I love the way minions vanish in an upward light show, it seems when you kill a minion, that he's going back to his timeline, while in the SNES version they simply explode within a few frames, it looks cheaper. But thats my opinion. Of course I do love the SNES version as well because it is so closed to the arcade and yes its a longer ride and they simply improved the arcade version but with some system limitation unfortunately, otherwise the SNES version is a clear winner as far as gametime is concerned. Like you said JUST PLAY BOTH VERSIONS !!!! The arcade 1st and the snes version 2nd, and you get it all !
I get it. The arcade is a vibe and it’s the OG
Is the arcade turtles in time on mister?
Not yet. Hopefully one day
@VideoGameEsoterica :(
@@VideoGameEsoterica Jotego said he's got a few more releases before the end of the year so who knows!!
I am curious what they are gonna be
The only aspect in which the arcade version is better is the graphics. And not by much. The arcade gameplay is really unfair with stupid mechanics to take your quarters. The snes version is more fun, fair and balanced. It also has more content, levels, bosses and story. You can finish it in 1 credit without problems and enjoy it, the arcade is impossible, almost a nightmare, most people don't try to play the game seriously to understand its mechanics, they just spam credits.
It’s impressive just how well the visuals translated to SNES
Not showing it in CRT renders these retro channels mute & void ...
Mute and void? lol I’m sorry is the lack of a CRT filter ruining your fun today? Hold your fingers over your eyes. Squint and call it scanlines
You're not watching TH-cam on a CRT? Poser.
Seriously though... TH-cam compression is awful and anything but raw pixels gets ugly artifacting, so please ignore this person with magic TH-cam void power and keep releasing clean feed content.
@VideoGameEsoterica CRT filters don't count either. You're completely missing the point🫡
All videos in the future will be shipped out on VHS to your home
@@VideoGameEsoterica don't make promises you can't live up to. You don't even have CRT filters let alone a genuine CRT TV. 🫣
First!!
10 points for thee!