Arcane was not canon... until it became a hit. Riot then decided to pivot their entire established world to capitalize on the show's success, changing a lot of the lore in the process.
@@wood_louse119 That was a big mistake, because Season 2 was 100% written with a "We've been told by Riot that this isn't League canon" mindset, and Riot making it canon right before S2 aired really shot down the enjoyment of the show for a LOT of League players.
@wood_louse119 I agree. I think some of the unsatisfying conclusions were born because of the push to make it canon, and they didn't have enough time to write everything around it, and just did what they could.
@@kellanwlasitz Why doesn't it make sense ? just make it so that all characters in LOL are taken when the champions reach their primeor something. It actually makes it better since there isn't plot armor for all champions
@@HannaHsOverInvested this is fact originally arcane wasnt meant to really be a part of the lore but when it became the most popular riot IP, riot decided to make arcane the main lore meaning that the world is very wonky after arcane because now the lore has a different time line. also the lore has nothing to do with the game, the lore has the same characters as the game but the game is not a part of the lore at all
They we're already known for retconing lore with new characters/character updates so them making Arcane cannon just means we're gonna see a lot more retcons as they continue updating the game
The game itself has no narrative. It is akin to giving all the pieces of a chess board their own backstory and relationships with other pieces on the chess board and then playing around of chess in which none of that means anything practically. The history of the characters and their relationships are just to give an aesthetic to the over all universe. The game doesn't even take place in any of its settings. Just an Arena to which they are summoned.
@@HannaHsOverInvestedThe League of Legends universe consists of four "dimensions": 1. Void; 2. Celestial; 3. Spirit Realm and 4. Physical in the form of the planet Runeterra, There are no infinity stones here. But different types of magic and Runes = Runeterra. In the very beginning there was only the Void and the Guardians, but then light appeared and reality emerged, which woke the Guardians up, taking away their sleep and ignorance of their own existence, which is why they are trying to destroy it in order to have peaceful peace again. In reality, death appeared/emerged through the spirit realm in the guise of the gray man/pale man, who later split into two aspects of death, the peaceful death of a lamb and the brutal death of a wolf. In the universe = Celestial Realm, the Twilight dragons like Aurelion Sol created stars around which planets were formed. And later, celestial beings and gods began to get involved in the manipulation of reality. The celestial gods created constellations that served as predictions and guidelines for people and, using the world runes, created the planet Runeterra in one of the regions. Apparently, they created Spirit Gods like Anivia, Ornn, Volibear,... who reshaped the surface of the planet as we know from the Frerjord legions. They pulled up part of the earth to create Mount Targon, which serves as the Gate to the Celestial Realm Targon Prime = "Universe". One of the Celestial Gods, for an unknown reason, later hid the world runes through the Runeters, which over time caused a magical radiation, thanks to which the planet became full of spirits, demons and later created magical beings; Celestial giants; Yordles = Heimerdinger,... from Bandle City, which is in the spiritual realm; Vastayashai'rei (Shapeshifting Spirit Race) + Humans = Vastaya ^ Spirit Race and Humans and then Animalistic Humanoid Races. Later, the Targions, with the help of the Celestials, created a star metal crown for Aurelion Sol, whom they enslaved and thus forced to listen to the commands of the Celestial Aspects to use their celestial fire to seal/destroy the Void rifts that the Watchers had created in attempts to penetrate reality and possibly destroy it. Over time, it is clear that various types of magic have appeared or originated on Runeterra: Celestial, Spiritual, Shadow, Runic, Elemental, Temporal, Necronic, Blood,... Runeterra is supposed to serve as a place where super powerful beings of Ascended Celestial Aspects = Celestial Demigods are to be created, for example, a person ascends to the top of Mount Targon and one of the Celestials chooses him as a suitable host. Or in Shurima, with the help of the Sun Disc, I reflect celestial magic into the chosen people to create the Ascended Shuriman golden god warriors, where some failed and were created Baccai = Ramus and others were Ascended Sunborn Nasus, Renekton,... And later their fragments were created after the battle in the Darkins void. All of this is intended to serve as a defensive shield against the Void and its watchers, who seek to destroy reality by creating rifts in the Void through which voidmakers and monsters can pass, devouring and destroying. Or by controlling and corrupting the minds and bodies of beings on Runeterra.
@@HannaHsOverInvestedIf you didn't want to play League of Legends on PC. Then you could play League of legends wild rift on mobile its better. Card game Legends of Runeterra where you have even voice lines. Or Riot Forge Canon lore storytelling games like Ekko Covergence; Viego Ruined King; Nunu and Wilump Song of Nunu; Ziggs and Heimerdinger Hextech Mayhem; Sylas Mageseeker; BandleTale
I recommend you "The world of riot mmo is already done" and the kinda old but still interesting "story of league of legends explained' bot by necrit, first one is a video about the posible setting for a future massive game, with the main topic being the runaterra world and the second one is about the main storylines of the game.
The reason why it feels like things are overlooked is because they have plans to continue the connected universe, it is the reason they introduces alternative timelines as well
11:39 Most of the lore is on the website and in the different cinematics. However in game there are some cute interactions between characters that know each other. Like if you kill Caitlyn as Vi, they say some funny voiceline or whatever.
On the notion of whether the show will ever 'surpass the game' i'd argue that it somewhat has already. Most of the characters within League of Legends (with the exception of Viego and Gangplank who have been canonically 'dealt with') exist in a limbo-esque state where they get stories, but said stories rarely affect them in any meaningful way - somewhat like sitcom shows always returning to the status quo at the end of the episode. Jayce and Viktor (and Heimerdinger, Jinx, and Warwick) seemingly dying, or at the very least getting spirited away, is one of the biggest things to happen to an existing character ever. That said, you could also argue that we don't really see any of them definitively 'die'. Viktor and Jayce could have just been transported by the hexgate/arcane to somewhere else. Jinx could have survived and left on the ship as people theorize. Heimerdinger, as an immortal yordle spirit, could have returned to Bandle City, and Warwick could still become the monster we know as his short story describes prototype Warwick being discarded by Singed and thrown away, turning into the wolf while his corpse laid in a Zaunite heap (and we know the tower him and Jinx fell down goes all the way to Zaun as evidenced by Ekkos tree being affected by the bottom reactor earlier in the season).
Singed is a fascinating character. Fascinating in that he's the person who causes the atrocities that inspire, like, a sixth of the entire game's backstories.
It is funny because League itself is a multiplayer battle game so there is only story to make the characters you play more interesting. You don't see any story in the gameplay outside of the characters voice lines making reference to their backstories and relationships. When the game released the story was an afterthought and all the characters were just summoned to the "League of Legends" by summoners (player stand in) to resolve disputes in combat. That got retconned in 2014 when they decided they want to build out the lore and give the game a real story. However, pretty much all of the story is relegated to the Universe website where their bios and short stories can be found. Only the briefest of character descriptions are found in the game. It is very easy for a league player to play for years and know literally nothing about the story or lore. Universe would get updated regularly with new short stories so players that were interested could learn more about the characters and some of their stories could be advanced (or learn about it from a Necrit video). Then Arcane season 1 released. It was never meant to be canon but its huge success made Riot shift gears. Universe halted and has mostly not been revisited since. Riot later declared that Arcane was to be canon and the north star of the lore going forwards. It was clear that they stopped publishing stories because of this. The Universe site would no longer be the means of advancing the story. Unfortunately, that leaves the current hundreds of stories that exist be either retconned in the face of contradicting Arcane, or in a limbo state of semi-canon since their material hasn't been covered at all in the show. At the same time the portrayals of characters in the game from voice lines, backstory, or even visual character design are often fully not canon despite still being in the game with no indication of when or even if they will be updated to reflect new canon. Vi was an enforcer in Arcane for 2 episodes before quitting but in League she is still the full time enforcer that she is the stories on Universe. Some of the less popular characters in League still haven't even had their story properly updated from the 2014 retcon so some players don't have faith that Riot will truly follow through with this retcon either. Changes do make sense because 90% of character backstories involve 1 or less fellow champions so you can't really have a show with every important character having little to nothing to do with each other. But if they don't bring them to the game then you feel like you aren't even actually playing the characters from the show. Also many people are unhappy with how season 2 ended for their characters. In game Viktor is getting updated to reflect his Arcane design and it is large departure from what fans of the in game character have enjoyed (not to mention he only looked that way for all of 10 minutes before getting poofed). And Ambessa got added to the game with the release of season 2 but since she died she obviously will be a time capsule of who she was in the show and will never have any more content around her (except the prequel novel she is getting). None of this will stop a league player from enjoying the gameplay, but for us lore enjoyers the inconsistencies in game and the uncertain futures for characters we've enjoyed for sometimes over a decade can be really disappointing.
Their other game Legends Of Runeterra expanded on Caitlyn's hunt for the criminal mastermind she's after. All she knew was that the mastermind was known as "C", but she does end up finding out in the end who C is and I think you would LOVE C's design.
arcane is basically a series that retcons League of Legends lore like a lot of lore, conuinities, 2 characters, and even alternate universes were completely erased by the retcon so it is League canon now... even though it absolutely shouldn't be canon
My own headcannon is Arcane takes place before the League of Legends is created. In the League, there's obviously resurrection magic and the ability to create things like minions and monsters. So even if people die in Arcane, by the time the League is founded, they have ways of bringing people back to life (or at least creating replicas of them). Due to the conflicts between things like Shimmer, Hextech, and runes, the nations of Runeterra use their technology/magic to create the League in order to solve disputes without destroying the world.
@@Toni-sz7xm Whether or not it will be a good thing we will have to wait and see. It isn't the first time Riot has reworked character and world lore on a massive scale, but there will be a lot of holes they have to fill and characters they will have to rewrite. If Viktor is gone, how does Blitzcrank come to be? What about characters like Camille, who is comprised of hextech parts? How does the Arcane (the magic force) affect magic in the rest of Runterra (especially the wild magic Vastayans prefer and fight for against the humans of Ionia)? Not saying it can't be done, but it is gonna take a lot of work.
If you want to know more about the original universes there is a "universe" Page in which most of all the stories that made up the universe are. The official wiki is also maintained by people who know about lore. You can check other champions and regions in there too
Arcane is basically an entirely different continuity at this point, The second major rewrite of League, but all of this can be basically waved away by saying that all versions of league lore are just different realities. This was also semi-confirmed by Riot's other game "Convergence" where Ekko glimpses the other possible realities, including Arcane
For a decade they made a lot of stories that did not really fit together, one year ago they started really adjusting everything to really create a cannon history. That's why "Still Here" video is soo lore-heavy. They have a site called League of Legends universe with a LOT of comics, videos, short stories and more, most of them are good. Actually riot is great at doing it. From necrit's channel I'll sugest you the "riot mmo world is already made." For a writter as yourself, you'll probably like the plots already suggested in the various regions from Runeterra (the name of the planet). Love your videos
As the video states, League of Legends is MOBA (Multiplayer Online Battle Arena) game. It is not a story game. League of Legends lore discussed in this video comes from information any player can read about when choosing a character to play. Lets say you want to play as Jinx. You can select her, read about her lore, then fight other players. However, understanding the lore has no barring on the actual gameplay. There are plenty of players right now who "main" a certain character because they're fun to play. But they have no idea what their actual lore is. Games like League of Legends, Overwatch, Valorant, Apex Legends, and other multiplayer fighting games will develop well made lore that the player can choose to read about if they want. But if they aren't interested, it won't effect the gameplay.
Necrit is indeed the man in terms of League Lore. He hasn't yet done a specific breakdown on lore differences though - it's more like he brings those up during his detail reviews of Act 1-3 (up to 2 hrs long). His shorter recaps would be a better start (under 20 mins) and thereafter looking up his older videos about the champions who cought your attention. Apart from the obvious champions in the show it's also worth to look into his vids about champions who just got hinted at or had easteregg references in the show - for Zaun that would be Oriana and Janna. The strongly hinted set up for a sequel series they did in season 2 is pointing towards Noxus. Here you could dive into his vids about LeBlanc (matron of the Black Rose) and Swain (who's iconic Raven got introduced in EP 8 and 9) .
The reason I didn't watch that one is because I wanted something that included season 2. In hindsight, maybe I should have just watched the season 1 one, but I will patiently wait for him to create a season 2 video.
@@HannaHsOverInvested There's also a very insightfull interview with Christian Linke on Necrit's channel , about what to expect next. Could possibly be very usefull for your content on Arcane...
@@HannaHsOverInvested Another great channel for character insight specifically is TBSkyen. He goes into specifics about each character and who they are in the game's lore, including criticisms he has about some of the characters who are, unfortunately, harmful stereotypes because the game was made in 2009. And he also has videos talking about Arcane and how things are different, they're on his own reaction channel called 3BSkyen. (2BSkyen is his gameplay channel)
It´s funny; riot said Arcane is canon, while they were rebuilding and polishing the lore in the game. But for some reason they cut creative staff down to a stump, cancelling all the cool project´s they had planned before arcane right around arcane getting it´s success. (The lore is largely Biographies and stories expanding the world and characters on league´s website.) Seriously; Riot sucks. All the good leadership is pretty much gone and as everyone they only care for money now. Example; they released a Character that is pretty much a postar, just to sell a 50 dollar skin of a Band-skin called KD/A. She had some relationships with the Hextech crystals; Here is where it get´s bad; Originally Hextech crystals were mined by piltover as energy source, but what people didn´t know is they are the energy of a Race called brackern, pretty much theyr remnant souls. Skarner was the last one to guard these, and having failed his task he grew to hate humanity. They re-writ him completely. Skarner is now pretty much a Monster of a far-away Civilization, literally in a bubble world protected from any outside-interaction (convinient) and the whole Brackern race is just whiped from all stories. So where did these Crystals come from now? We don´t know. That´s a plot-hole that exists for no reason now. They did this pretty much due to this Pop-star girl having some more depth to her then being a mary-sue to help Zaun and piltover live in harmony. Arcane is still good, so all credit should go to fortiche, while there are some changes i don´t like they did really good and delivered till the end.
The short of it is- Arcane takes the very broad aesthetics, names, and general circumstances of some League Characters and makes an AU out of it, meanwhile Riot Games can’t decide what actual LoL lore is to save their lives on a day to day basis. They SAY arcane is official canon now, but they haven’t even finished establishing the *last* big canon shake up they made several years ago. League of Legends as a game isn’t a property suited to real long form storytelling, and if it were Riot aren’t the guys to tell that story.
No, the fact that Vi and Jinx are sisters is PRETTY clear in the game as well. Very sad that they didn't took in account that even if there is no appearance, it's clear that LeBlanc and Swain "appear" in the series.
Actually, Jinx`s real name Powder and the confirmation that she was Vi`s baby sister was first revealed in League`s card battler spin-off "Legends of Runeterra" back when they still had cinematics."Legends of Runeterra" came out in 2020, one year before "Arcane" Season 1 premiered although it was in production all the way back since 2016, it was put on hiatus twice, first because Riot execs and creatives couldn`t see eye to eye until Fortiche was brought on board and then because of COVID.
One thing to understand is that there is quite a huge disconnect between the lore and the actual game, because the whole of the lore was completely changed a decade ago. Originally, the lore was about competing nations who would use an area called Summoner’s Rift to settle disputes and grievances, rather than going to war. They would each hire or co-op five ‘champions’ to represent them and these champions would fight to destroy the enemy’s Nexus Crystal, winning the event and, in turn, the dispute. You saw this in the League cinematic called ‘A New Dawn’. They decided to change the lore in order to make a more interesting and expansive world, but also because they had designs to expand their game and media catalogue. The main game mode called Summoner’s Rift, however, did not change and teams of five battling it out to destroy the enemy’s Nexus is still the core mode of the game; though there are others. Over the years the lore of different games somewhat drifted apart. It became a mish mash of scores of stories from different writers. However, with the success of Arcane, they felt compelled to unify the lore into one coherent story and this has caused some stories to be again retconned.
Arcane season 1 was not really canon, but for season 2 they decided that it was canon and some things were retconned / changed. For example, Jinx was actually older than Vi, and remembers Vi, but since their parents died, Vi was an orphan and had no memory or knowledge of Jinx. And when Vi became an enforcer, Jinx terrorized her with crazy illegal activities just to be close to her sister. Altho she never told Vi that they are related. So in short, stuff like that was changed :)
Most of the changes were well received by the LoL community except one, which is viktor. People loved viktor because he was the MACHINE Herald and they made him the Arcane Herald.
I saw another comment about what to play if not League, but they didn't mention a game called "Teamfight Tactics" There are a few videos called "Nightmare on reroll street" (part 1-2) Which might be worth checking out if you've already seen season 2, some people on the comments there joke that it's the "canon ending" to Arcane season 2. The game itself is an "auto battler" or "auto chess", the current season is themed around Arcane, you build a team of characters like Powder/Violet/Vander and they battle against other player's teams, in an 8 player match, until only one player remains. People compare it to chess, card games or sometimes poker.
As I watched necrit's interview of showrunner Christian Linke after the 3rd act drop, I get a feeling that the reason why a lot of stories were changed and retcon was to bring more interconnectivity and coherence to the lore and the overarching stories. I must agree that Caitlyn's original story was one of my favourite LoL origin stories. However, it was likely too detached from the rest of the champion stories and hence was likely one of the reasons for the massive rewrites. Whether this is for the better or worse, I will reserve judgement until I see more of the rewritten lore as a whole.
The vid completely skipped Ekko lol Also barely showed ingame footage or side media sources. Not even to mention due to being out before Act 3 it didnt talk about any teased characters like Le Blanc, Jhin or Swain. Minimum effort for fast clickbait I guess. TL-DR: I second the Necrit suggestions from other comments. Those have actual well-researched informations about the lore.
It's fascinating to me that League of Legends, a game that simply involves a team of players competing against another team of players, could spawn a critically acclaimed TV show. I used to play it before, and I don't recall any story from it since it was just a battle arena game played for fun. The character descriptions is what provided some lore, which was still an optional read. The way I see it, It's as if each piece in a game of chess were given a story, and works because of how much care was put into those stories.
I dont know if anyone else answered this but no, this lore isn't in the actual game aside from voice lines you sometimes hear with character interactions. The game of league is like somewhat of an alternate reality battlefield. The player is called a "Summoner" because you are essentially summoning the character to control and fight with them. The lore just serves to create interesting stories for the characters.
“Why didnt they do that” they decided make her obsessed with jinx instesd of having her own goals she more exists to help , himder or facilitate vis goals in the show honestly id of prefered her obsession with the mysterials lady grey to been in the sh9 but then been one morr loos end
I find it curious that peoples keep assuming the series will stay in the Piltover storyline. It's far more likely that the next season would start of from one of the other mayor storylines. The forming of Damacia, the war between the Freylord clans, the war between Ionia and Noxus. There are some mayor stories that are based around other regions which can't be incorperated with Arcane. As I have a Demacian fondness a lot of Demacia Lore is already part of the comic book Lux. This might be a reason to not make a series out of it. Luxanna Crownguard would be a very likeable character to attract peoples in a series. A clumsy mage thats tries to hide her potential as magic is outlawed in Demacia.
Christian Linke confirmed after the finale of Arcane S2 aired that Riot and Fortiche have three shows in the works, all set in different regions: One in Noxus, one in Ionia, and one in Demacia. They also said that one of those shows has already been in production for a year, but not to expect a quick turn around on them, because Arcane took almost 10 years to make, and while a lot of that framework will be utilized in those shows, it will still be a long process to make the shows of a similar quality to Arcane.
I love how they did a reverse-Wolverine on Vi. Wolverin is short in the comics, but made tall in the movies. Whereas Vi is tall in the game, but made short in the show.
Is all of this lore in Game: So by game there is a main one called "summoners rift" in league. There are verbal queues for the characters as you play the game but no. it's not a rpg or story driven game. it's a combat driven fighter that has a massive map and objectives for the fighters. There are subgames that pop up from time to time inside of league of legends that flesh out the lore but Summoners Rift itself is where you "the summoner" summon the characters (from league of legends lore and story) to fight each other. basically pulling them out of the universe and into "the rift" or the battle arena. Think of it like street fighter but with a big map The new Map that added called the bridge of progress is the same concept based on Arcane but again, nothing happens on the bridge of progress that drives the story forward, it's just a smaller summoners rift map.
"Do we like act 3? Because I liked act 2" Thank god I'm not the only one. (spoilers discussed below) The entire show is aesthetically brilliant, and much of the story moments in isolation are strong. But season 2 felt structurally messy to me. I felt like so much of what happened lacked setup. I didn't feel like the stories all fit together as well as season 1. And I can't for the life of me tell you what the central theme/story of season 2 was. Who were the main characters? What are the main actor's motivations? (Viktor's turn to villain confuses and infuriates me) When the finale comes around, what am I deeply emotionally invested in that I'm hoping to happen? I have no idea. Act 2's Vander extended-family story was the highlight of season 2. After that... bwah? It feels like nothing really changed for our main characters that was comprehensible. Cait had already gotten back in touch with her humanity, and come to some kind of peace with her need for revenge. Vi was united and reconciled with the 3 people she loves most. Jinx gets acceptance from her family, and is able to cooperate with others and live in the moment rather than be governed by her trauma. And Jayce has literally always been a well-meaning, but impulsive dumbass when it comes to anything but science. And the undercity vs Piltover conflict which has been central since the show's inception melts away entirely. In act 3... none of that changes. The meaningful character changes in act 3 are Viktor and Mel. Viktor's change makes no sense to me at all. There's a version of the story where it does. But all of Viktor's actions in a1-2 suggest he's retained most of his humanity, values individuality, rejects (consciously) abusing the arcane, etc. Mel's is oddly the most interesting story in act 3 to me, but felt at arm's length from the rest of the story. And last character gripe: Jinx's vision of Silco gives her advice that could be believable coming from -actual- Silco reflecting, but not from what she knew of him, nor her own mind. Oh, example of what I mean about story moments strong in isolation: episode 7 was a beautiful pair of vignettes. Still I love the show. I gripe because I love it. But I was hoping for so much more from its resolution.
Arcane wasnt supposed to be canon, but now it is and along with card game legends of runterra and future shows and movies they are making the lore more intact cuz it could get confusing sometimes
The reason her segment was just a recap and not a comparison like the rest is because Ambessa originated in Arcane, and was added to League of Legends after the fact.
A running theme is that Riot Games commits to absolutely nothing story-wise, just in case something else proves more popular. A particularly egregious example that's kinda related to Arcane is the story of Skarner. In his original lore, the Hextech crystals were literally carved out of the bodies of his hibernating species for the benefit of Piltover. It was a good allegory for how ambitious countries trample over indigenous people and lands. His story rewrite did a complete 180, and now he's some crazy isolationist that threatens to kill anyone under who wants to make contact with the outside world.
Arcane is one of many ways Riot has been adjusting and cleaning up the lore/worldbuilding to better unify things into a single coherent and interconnected narrative for years now. One major point they got wrong in the video. We've known for years that Jinx and Vi were sisters even before Arcane. The Caitlyn changes better tie her into the overall narrative of the backstory of Piltover and Zaun. Something else to keep in mind, the events of Arcane are basically the past in relation to current League storytelling and world building. And another major point regarding Arcane is that Piltover and Zaun are among the smallest "regions" in Runeterra (the world of League of Legends). We get some of Noxus in the mentions and obviously through everything Ambessa does. But even that is only a small glimpse of what Noxus is and what's happening there. Shurima is barely hinted at through brief images and hints regarding Ambessa's backstory. None of the other major (and much larger) areas and political powers are even mentioned at all. As I've mentioned before, Arcane is barely even the tip of the iceberg that is the world of League of Legends. It's going to be fun seeing what else we get in the upcoming additional series they've announced.
That is a big statement! But honestly, in western animation, if you remove Avatar: The Last Airbender, I do not really see any show decisively stomp arcane as a show.
Why noone talking about the wind god from Zaun? Called "Janna"? that must be so cool to know about the past. About Roses clan this can be "Leblanc" shadowclone because she can control her country with her clones. Wheres "BlitzCrank" from Singed project? Theres Plenty of Materials what arcane can go through.
Hi Paisley ! You’re a fantastic creator, the video reacted to sounded a little AI’d to me. However I’m so glad you’re able to dissect the show with more nuance than others thank you !
Yes, this is my first experience with an AI video. I didn't really know they were created like that. I guess I'm naive thinking that that's not happening but, I was wrong!
Not in game the games website has pages for characters that include short stories the creators hired writers wo make short stories and biographies for each character
league of legends lore has been retconned and additional AUs created like a million times, so even if something was in the lore, it can be changed super easily and often. Each character in the game has a very basic (3-4 paragraphs) of lore on their store page, and that's it. its not till Arcane was a hit that Riot basically said "Okay, now we will actually care about lore, so everything we produce from now on (aside from current AUs like Star Guardian skin line) are all Canon", and they will retcon any old lore as needed to maintain continuity for Arcane and any current and future media. all media from like 2022 and on are all "more" canon than any of the older lore. for the most recent example, they just did a complete rework on Viktor, including lore, visuals, and gameplay to align with arcane, and he now has a specific arcane skin.
Arcane is a full lore reboot. With the new lore, all previous canons, retcons, skinlines (like KDA and star guardians) become parallel timelines within the Arcane multiverse.
"does't all this lore is in the game?" Short answer: no. The game is nearly completely devoid of lore, save from a few texts from the website and a few character interactions. Riot have been investing in other games and forms of media to try and explore this world they've set up.
As for the game thing, Christian LinkedIn, co creator, said that season 1 was bringing the characters to their game self's which was an utter lie that makes me think that apart from pitching arcanes initial idea he really doesn't know what he's talking about
I really did like episode 7 but yea, episode 8 and 9 felt rushed. Supposedly episode 9 was going to be 90 minutes long. I feel like we could have had a better build up to the fight, and apparently we would have had more scenes of Jinx and Ekko, getting the undercity ready to fight. Really wish Netflix let them cook more xD
There is very little lore in the game itself, aside from character lines. The lore is mostly from when characters are released with short stories, or cinematics / stories written after release. But League lore has always been fluid, and has been scrapped/ retconned multiple times. Some early characters even have 0 lines of lore other than a description.
League of Legends the game can be thought of as a digital "sports" game. Two teams competing for objectives and points and ultimately one team wins and one team loses. The lore around characters is majorly inconsequential to the gameplay, but was created for fun because we gamers are often big lore nerds 😂. Other games Riot has produced since then has incorporated the lore more directly.
To word how the story is told in game to someone who has no idea what a MOBA (the genre of game League is) is: Essentially when you play the game you have quite literally zero actual story, plot or narrative. The actual game itself is a team of 5 players picking characters (who all get different abilities) and fighting another 5 players to destroy the others base. If a character dies they respawn after a short time, nothing in final and it all resets after each game. The existing cannon itself is almost entirely told through character bios. Each one of the characters in the game gets a short bio, a few paragraphs long that gives the essence of the character - essentially like the stories you heard in the video you just watched. When people say XYZ was "hinted at" in-game this almost entirely comes from voice-lines in the game. They are throw away "Catch This!" when throwing a grenade kinda lines in how they're implemented but they all are highlight characterised so Jinx is all excitable and shouting about explosions, Ambessa is all intense and angry, etc.... ANYWAY the hints come in as when X character kills Y character (or hits them with an attack or something equivalent) they sometimes have specific voice-lines they use. For instance there are two characters who are canonically lovers so if one player picks one then kills the other they say a voice-line to the effect of "Why, My love?".. there's a few between Jinx and Vi that hinted at their relationship, same with Caitlyn and Vi, etc.
League of Legends, the game, is an online competitive 5v5 game. Each person uses a different character from the League of Legends universe, but what happens in the game itself has nothing to do with the lore, i'ts completely separate, it's like having a soccer game, but the all the players are characters from Harry Potter. You can get bits and pieces of voice lines during the game that can give you a bit of lore, but that's just it. All of the lore comes from outside the game itself, where writers post biographies and short stories about the characters and the world. You even have some comics about a few characters. And if you would like to know more about the different parts of the world of Runeterra, you should watch Necrit's "The world of riot mmo is already done".
Seek out other videos about League of Legends lore. This maybe one of the most popular, but it seems to have several gaps and errors. For example, players of LoL have known, almost since Jinx first debuted as a champion, that Vi was her sister.
I can't get enough of this show the show is awesome it's so badass it also has a sad story also but I will watch the show all the time hope you make more videos like this Hannah my favorite bestie your funny sometimes at the end of your video 😊😊❤
Love act 3, looking forward to things being fleshed out in Riot's other series'. I don't think this is the last we've seen of almost anyone from the cast. League's world is HUGE and there are so many places and characters for the Arcane cast to interact with. Could have done with a "lets wrap this up" episode but not a season, I don't need to see blitzcrank THAT badly
Gameplay isn’t canon, you’re just playing characters against another team of characters. The characters have lore with them in the world of runeterra, but it’s like overwatch in that everything they’re doing isn’t canon when you’re playing it.
11:39 No, it isnt in the game, but there are voicelines from some champions to others relating to the lore outside the game (the ingame arena is the game) love ur vids btw!!
Yeah, I'd go for the Necrit reviews of the series over whatever this was. This video was mostly correct, but mainly just at a superficial level. It makes a few mistakes, and sounds like it was read by an AI.
I was actually thinking it was AI too because some of the sentences were very strange. Just a few words in the wrong place a couple times through the video, I was like did Chat gpt write this?
@@HannaHsOverInvested Yeah I also think ChatGPT wrote at least a large chunk of the video. As for the voice and images selected I can't tell because I don't know enough about those types of AI to spot the signs.
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In the game, you dont play as the champions (vi, ekko, jinx) but rather as a powerful summoner playing a simulated war with champions from different universes, thus the same champion, Lets say Vi, could have vastly different backtories, one of them is the Vi from arcane, others have Vi as a demon, one where she's an android and so on, so Arcane is canon in the sense that it is one of the universes where you can pick from
As a season 1 league vet I find a soft canon approach makes the lore more enjoyable given that I've been around through so many retcons. They're still just making it up as they go. Is Christian Bale's batman canon? Is Rob's? Ben's? Does it matter? It really comes down to how well the stories are written and whether or not thr writers respect the characters. Besides, as soon as they introduced parallel universes and time travel the value of "canon" plummeted like a crypto scam coin. The universe is great but it's mostly just a vehicle to tell good stories in. My 2 cents.
the guy you listened to is way off about a lot of things since his script was clearly written by ai just watch necrit he is so good at lore he is a part of it now
Over all the league universe is rich in character lore, world building, and content the unfortunate situations experienced by myself and 100's if not hundreds of thousands more do not make up the LOL community as a whole. it is worth getting lost in the lore/word itself That being said... Whoever told you the league community is "warm and welcoming" should be ashamed of themselves, just speaking from experience as some one that was not contributing (played for over 14 years) to the toxicity, but willing and 100% intends to be honest about the reality of that community. Not all the people that play league, but a large majority are incredibly rude, immature, bad mannered among other things rhymes with "spacist" or at least bigots in one way or another. Can't count the times I've been been called "tigger" for not doing what the person on my team that's "feeding" = (providing resources to the enemy team aka helping them win) thinks should be done or various other situations. You made a respectable choice for not getting into the game just avoid it all together not worth the probability of running into a individual such as the many described above.
I didnt watch Arcane when it initially came out and didn't understand the hype around it. I saw Jinx cosplay a lot over the last couple of years but just chalked it up to another weeb cosplay that i didn't understand . I did, however, try to watch Arcane a couple of times but failed miserably and didnt get past the first minutes of the first episode over the last 3 years. Then last week, idk what made me try it one more time? But im happy i did, bc im now obsessed with this world, especially with Jinx. God willing, the next season comes out within the time it took for this season to be made.
0:15 oh GOD DON'T!!! DO NOT!!! STAY AWAY!!! Y'all trying to kill her gaming hobby in it's infancy, introducing her to THAT cesspool of UNFETTERED HYPER-TOXICITY! Go BACK, do NOT touch!!! I am begging you! 🙏😭
The lore is not linked in league of legends game. Right now most league players do not know almost anything about the lore, unless they research it or see it on the league universe site. That said Riot is developing an MMO for years that will be lore driven and they have some side games like Ruined King RPG and a card game that let's you in on the lore of some characters and regions of Runetera.
The League of Legends game in simpler terms is just a fighting game with characters you pick to play as. There is no lore to it. It's kind of like Super Smash Brothers if you are familiar with that game. Mario has nothing to do with Sonic, who has nothing to do with Donkey Kong, etc, but they are played in the same game. The lore comes from the stories and comics. There are small tidbits of lore in the Champion's bios within League, but that's really it. If you did actually want to play a game that is lore accurate, The Ruined King is a great one for that. And its single-player so none of the fun loving community you mentioned at the beginning.
riot didnt respect their previous lore writers, canning alot of them from their jobs. Only to turn around to make arcane canon because it got very popular
I really liked Act 3 of Arcane. Honestly, I've been a League of Legends hater for years and years and loved the show, so I think I like it even more because I think the stories for all the champions in the game are terribly thought out and just absolutely godawful and the way they were all done in the series was so much better, haha.
Yeah unfortunately the video was really confusing even for me who knows the lore. Btw Hannah, most of the lore is not part of the game itself but it fleshed out in short stories where most characters have 2-3 of them and the range from a 5 minutes to 30 minute reads. In league of legends universe site. Plot lines like the black rose or things in piltover itself are going to be continued in other shows. It isn’t the best way of doing it, I agree that act 3 was a little messy, even as someone who knows the lore itself, but they are planning on continuing some plots lines, more obviously for me as a lore nerd is Mel’s story, there was a 3 eyed raven in the last scene which references someone is noxus and it looked like the raven swallowed some hextech. Mels was also seen on a noxian ship heading back home.
That thought occurred to me halfway through the video. There were a few sentences where some of the words were a little off of what I understand humans to talk like and I thought... is this an AI video?
Whoever is telling you the League Community is warm and welcoming is not your friend, Please distance yourself from these people immediately for your own safety 😆
"How warm and welcoming the LoL community is." I thought the common understanding was that it's one of the most toxic multiplayer communities ever. I wanted to try it out so I played this practice match where human players play together against an enemy team emulated by the computer and there were people raging in the chat. I think you can skip this one Hannah. Enjoy the series and the trailers, but stay away for your mental health's sake.
Ah yes, the League community, warm and welcoming! Do not ever play that hellish game, it is sin. Sloth, Greed, Wrath, Envy, Gluttony, Pride, Lust. All of it.
Watching an AI voiceover reading an AI script is pretty disgusting, wish you wouldve done your research and reacted to real creators not cashgrab channels.
Riot don't know themself how to handle LOL lore. They were rewriting it and forgot some stuff they made up a lot of times even before Arcane was created. Before Arcane hype they were saying it will not be canon, but now as show became super popular they changed they mind again and start claiming it is canon. My assumption they will let Arcane writers retcone all they want from already established lore and create their vision of LOL world in upcoming TV shows (they already said that Arcane universe will expand in future shows about Demacia, Noxus, Ioina regions), after that Riot will claim as canon created lore and progress LOL lore from this point.
It is really stupid for him to create a video like that before the last act of season 2 were released. Like, the show wasn't over just yet and then he makes this? Can't he just wait?
Arcane was not canon... until it became a hit. Riot then decided to pivot their entire established world to capitalize on the show's success, changing a lot of the lore in the process.
I felt it sucked. Watched the last episode yesterday and I was just always waiting for the series to pivot to the game lore
@@wood_louse119 That was a big mistake, because Season 2 was 100% written with a "We've been told by Riot that this isn't League canon" mindset, and Riot making it canon right before S2 aired really shot down the enjoyment of the show for a LOT of League players.
@Hey-Its-Dingo Yea, idk it just felt sad that they straight up ended the story of alot of charakters towards and at the end
@wood_louse119 I agree. I think some of the unsatisfying conclusions were born because of the push to make it canon, and they didn't have enough time to write everything around it, and just did what they could.
@@wood_louse119 Yeah Viktor being organic and Warrick not becoming full wolf are a huge miss for me.
"...and would continue his pursuit of bringing about the golden evolution..." Like nails on chalkboard for me. It's GLORIOUS EVOLUTION!
The "idk why this was changed" Just pretty much comes back at the fact that until Riot decided to make it canon arcane was a whole separated universe
Is this fact or debated? That it is its own separate universe.
they made it cannon. which dosnt make sense since ambessa dies and shes in the game
@@kellanwlasitz Why doesn't it make sense ? just make it so that all characters in LOL are taken when the champions reach their primeor something. It actually makes it better since there isn't plot armor for all champions
@@HannaHsOverInvested this is fact originally arcane wasnt meant to really be a part of the lore but when it became the most popular riot IP, riot decided to make arcane the main lore meaning that the world is very wonky after arcane because now the lore has a different time line. also the lore has nothing to do with the game, the lore has the same characters as the game but the game is not a part of the lore at all
They we're already known for retconing lore with new characters/character updates so them making Arcane cannon just means we're gonna see a lot more retcons as they continue updating the game
The game itself has no narrative. It is akin to giving all the pieces of a chess board their own backstory and relationships with other pieces on the chess board and then playing around of chess in which none of that means anything practically. The history of the characters and their relationships are just to give an aesthetic to the over all universe. The game doesn't even take place in any of its settings. Just an Arena to which they are summoned.
Really! That is fascinating
Like overwatch 😂
@@HannaHsOverInvestedThe League of Legends universe consists of four "dimensions": 1. Void; 2. Celestial; 3. Spirit Realm and 4. Physical in the form of the planet Runeterra,
There are no infinity stones here.
But different types of magic and Runes = Runeterra.
In the very beginning there was only the Void and the Guardians, but then light appeared and reality emerged, which woke the Guardians up, taking away their sleep and ignorance of their own existence, which is why they are trying to destroy it in order to have peaceful peace again.
In reality, death appeared/emerged through the spirit realm in the guise of the gray man/pale man, who later split into two aspects of death, the peaceful death of a lamb and the brutal death of a wolf.
In the universe = Celestial Realm, the Twilight dragons like Aurelion Sol created stars around which planets were formed.
And later, celestial beings and gods began to get involved in the manipulation of reality.
The celestial gods created constellations that served as predictions and guidelines for people and, using the world runes, created the planet Runeterra in one of the regions.
Apparently, they created Spirit Gods like Anivia, Ornn, Volibear,... who reshaped the surface of the planet as we know from the Frerjord legions.
They pulled up part of the earth to create Mount Targon, which serves as the Gate to the Celestial Realm Targon Prime = "Universe".
One of the Celestial Gods, for an unknown reason, later hid the world runes through the Runeters, which over time caused a magical radiation, thanks to which the planet became full of spirits, demons and later created magical beings; Celestial giants; Yordles = Heimerdinger,... from Bandle City, which is in the spiritual realm; Vastayashai'rei (Shapeshifting Spirit Race) + Humans = Vastaya
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Spirit Race and Humans and then Animalistic Humanoid Races.
Later, the Targions, with the help of the Celestials, created a star metal crown for Aurelion Sol, whom they enslaved and thus forced to listen to the commands of the Celestial Aspects to use their celestial fire
to seal/destroy the Void rifts that the Watchers had created in attempts to penetrate reality and possibly destroy it.
Over time, it is clear that various types of magic have appeared or originated on Runeterra: Celestial, Spiritual, Shadow, Runic, Elemental, Temporal, Necronic, Blood,...
Runeterra is supposed to serve as a place where super powerful beings of Ascended Celestial Aspects = Celestial Demigods are to be created, for example, a person ascends to the top of Mount Targon and one of the Celestials chooses him as a suitable host.
Or in Shurima, with the help of the Sun Disc, I reflect celestial magic into the chosen people to create the Ascended Shuriman golden god warriors, where some failed and were created Baccai = Ramus and others were Ascended Sunborn Nasus, Renekton,... And later their fragments were created after the battle in the Darkins void.
All of this is intended to serve as a defensive shield against the Void and its watchers, who seek to destroy reality by creating rifts in the Void through which voidmakers and monsters can pass, devouring and destroying.
Or by controlling and corrupting the minds and bodies of beings on Runeterra.
@@HannaHsOverInvestedIf you didn't want to play League of Legends on PC.
Then you could play
League of legends wild rift on mobile its better.
Card game Legends of Runeterra where you have even voice lines.
Or Riot Forge Canon lore storytelling games like Ekko Covergence; Viego Ruined King; Nunu and Wilump Song of Nunu; Ziggs and Heimerdinger Hextech Mayhem; Sylas Mageseeker; BandleTale
@@adriankuban2904 OR TFT
Which is themed on Arcane this set (13), like set 6 was too
I recommend you "The world of riot mmo is already done" and the kinda old but still interesting "story of league of legends explained' bot by necrit, first one is a video about the posible setting for a future massive game, with the main topic being the runaterra world and the second one is about the main storylines of the game.
The reason why it feels like things are overlooked is because they have plans to continue the connected universe, it is the reason they introduces alternative timelines as well
Play multiple Universe = wife-sharing
11:39 Most of the lore is on the website and in the different cinematics. However in game there are some cute interactions between characters that know each other. Like if you kill Caitlyn as Vi, they say some funny voiceline or whatever.
On the notion of whether the show will ever 'surpass the game' i'd argue that it somewhat has already.
Most of the characters within League of Legends (with the exception of Viego and Gangplank who have been canonically 'dealt with') exist in a limbo-esque state where they get stories, but said stories rarely affect them in any meaningful way - somewhat like sitcom shows always returning to the status quo at the end of the episode. Jayce and Viktor (and Heimerdinger, Jinx, and Warwick) seemingly dying, or at the very least getting spirited away, is one of the biggest things to happen to an existing character ever.
That said, you could also argue that we don't really see any of them definitively 'die'. Viktor and Jayce could have just been transported by the hexgate/arcane to somewhere else. Jinx could have survived and left on the ship as people theorize. Heimerdinger, as an immortal yordle spirit, could have returned to Bandle City, and Warwick could still become the monster we know as his short story describes prototype Warwick being discarded by Singed and thrown away, turning into the wolf while his corpse laid in a Zaunite heap (and we know the tower him and Jinx fell down goes all the way to Zaun as evidenced by Ekkos tree being affected by the bottom reactor earlier in the season).
Singed is a fascinating character.
Fascinating in that he's the person who causes the atrocities that inspire, like, a sixth of the entire game's backstories.
It is funny because League itself is a multiplayer battle game so there is only story to make the characters you play more interesting. You don't see any story in the gameplay outside of the characters voice lines making reference to their backstories and relationships. When the game released the story was an afterthought and all the characters were just summoned to the "League of Legends" by summoners (player stand in) to resolve disputes in combat.
That got retconned in 2014 when they decided they want to build out the lore and give the game a real story. However, pretty much all of the story is relegated to the Universe website where their bios and short stories can be found. Only the briefest of character descriptions are found in the game. It is very easy for a league player to play for years and know literally nothing about the story or lore. Universe would get updated regularly with new short stories so players that were interested could learn more about the characters and some of their stories could be advanced (or learn about it from a Necrit video).
Then Arcane season 1 released. It was never meant to be canon but its huge success made Riot shift gears. Universe halted and has mostly not been revisited since. Riot later declared that Arcane was to be canon and the north star of the lore going forwards. It was clear that they stopped publishing stories because of this. The Universe site would no longer be the means of advancing the story. Unfortunately, that leaves the current hundreds of stories that exist be either retconned in the face of contradicting Arcane, or in a limbo state of semi-canon since their material hasn't been covered at all in the show. At the same time the portrayals of characters in the game from voice lines, backstory, or even visual character design are often fully not canon despite still being in the game with no indication of when or even if they will be updated to reflect new canon. Vi was an enforcer in Arcane for 2 episodes before quitting but in League she is still the full time enforcer that she is the stories on Universe. Some of the less popular characters in League still haven't even had their story properly updated from the 2014 retcon so some players don't have faith that Riot will truly follow through with this retcon either.
Changes do make sense because 90% of character backstories involve 1 or less fellow champions so you can't really have a show with every important character having little to nothing to do with each other. But if they don't bring them to the game then you feel like you aren't even actually playing the characters from the show. Also many people are unhappy with how season 2 ended for their characters. In game Viktor is getting updated to reflect his Arcane design and it is large departure from what fans of the in game character have enjoyed (not to mention he only looked that way for all of 10 minutes before getting poofed). And Ambessa got added to the game with the release of season 2 but since she died she obviously will be a time capsule of who she was in the show and will never have any more content around her (except the prequel novel she is getting). None of this will stop a league player from enjoying the gameplay, but for us lore enjoyers the inconsistencies in game and the uncertain futures for characters we've enjoyed for sometimes over a decade can be really disappointing.
Their other game Legends Of Runeterra expanded on Caitlyn's hunt for the criminal mastermind she's after. All she knew was that the mastermind was known as "C", but she does end up finding out in the end who C is and I think you would LOVE C's design.
arcane is basically a series that retcons League of Legends lore like a lot of lore, conuinities, 2 characters, and even alternate universes were completely erased by the retcon so it is League canon now... even though it absolutely shouldn't be canon
I think it was a good decision tbh but everyone has a right to their opinion :3
@@Toni-sz7xm when is it ever a good thing to erase YEARS worth of lore for the sake of making things more "streamlined"?
yep just like the ruination
My own headcannon is Arcane takes place before the League of Legends is created. In the League, there's obviously resurrection magic and the ability to create things like minions and monsters. So even if people die in Arcane, by the time the League is founded, they have ways of bringing people back to life (or at least creating replicas of them). Due to the conflicts between things like Shimmer, Hextech, and runes, the nations of Runeterra use their technology/magic to create the League in order to solve disputes without destroying the world.
@@Toni-sz7xm Whether or not it will be a good thing we will have to wait and see. It isn't the first time Riot has reworked character and world lore on a massive scale, but there will be a lot of holes they have to fill and characters they will have to rewrite. If Viktor is gone, how does Blitzcrank come to be? What about characters like Camille, who is comprised of hextech parts? How does the Arcane (the magic force) affect magic in the rest of Runterra (especially the wild magic Vastayans prefer and fight for against the humans of Ionia)?
Not saying it can't be done, but it is gonna take a lot of work.
If you want to know more about the original universes there is a "universe" Page in which most of all the stories that made up the universe are. The official wiki is also maintained by people who know about lore. You can check other champions and regions in there too
Arcane is basically an entirely different continuity at this point, The second major rewrite of League, but all of this can be basically waved away by saying that all versions of league lore are just different realities. This was also semi-confirmed by Riot's other game "Convergence" where Ekko glimpses the other possible realities, including Arcane
For a decade they made a lot of stories that did not really fit together, one year ago they started really adjusting everything to really create a cannon history. That's why "Still Here" video is soo lore-heavy. They have a site called League of Legends universe with a LOT of comics, videos, short stories and more, most of them are good. Actually riot is great at doing it.
From necrit's channel I'll sugest you the "riot mmo world is already made." For a writter as yourself, you'll probably like the plots already suggested in the various regions from Runeterra (the name of the planet).
Love your videos
As the video states, League of Legends is MOBA (Multiplayer Online Battle Arena) game. It is not a story game. League of Legends lore discussed in this video comes from information any player can read about when choosing a character to play.
Lets say you want to play as Jinx. You can select her, read about her lore, then fight other players. However, understanding the lore has no barring on the actual gameplay. There are plenty of players right now who "main" a certain character because they're fun to play. But they have no idea what their actual lore is.
Games like League of Legends, Overwatch, Valorant, Apex Legends, and other multiplayer fighting games will develop well made lore that the player can choose to read about if they want. But if they aren't interested, it won't effect the gameplay.
Necrit is indeed the man in terms of League Lore. He hasn't yet done a specific breakdown on lore differences though - it's more like he brings those up during his detail reviews of Act 1-3 (up to 2 hrs long). His shorter recaps would be a better start (under 20 mins) and thereafter looking up his older videos about the champions who cought your attention.
Apart from the obvious champions in the show it's also worth to look into his vids about champions who just got hinted at or had easteregg references in the show - for Zaun that would be Oriana and Janna.
The strongly hinted set up for a sequel series they did in season 2 is pointing towards Noxus. Here you could dive into his vids about LeBlanc (matron of the Black Rose) and Swain (who's iconic Raven got introduced in EP 8 and 9) .
Necrit made a video about the differences after season 1. And it is better at doing what the video title suggests.
The reason I didn't watch that one is because I wanted something that included season 2. In hindsight, maybe I should have just watched the season 1 one, but I will patiently wait for him to create a season 2 video.
@@HannaHsOverInvested There's also a very insightfull interview with Christian Linke on Necrit's channel , about what to expect next. Could possibly be very usefull for your content on Arcane...
@@HannaHsOverInvested Another great channel for character insight specifically is TBSkyen. He goes into specifics about each character and who they are in the game's lore, including criticisms he has about some of the characters who are, unfortunately, harmful stereotypes because the game was made in 2009. And he also has videos talking about Arcane and how things are different, they're on his own reaction channel called 3BSkyen. (2BSkyen is his gameplay channel)
It´s funny; riot said Arcane is canon, while they were rebuilding and polishing the lore in the game.
But for some reason they cut creative staff down to a stump, cancelling all the cool project´s they had planned before arcane right around arcane getting it´s success.
(The lore is largely Biographies and stories expanding the world and characters on league´s website.)
Seriously; Riot sucks. All the good leadership is pretty much gone and as everyone they only care for money now.
Example; they released a Character that is pretty much a postar, just to sell a 50 dollar skin of a Band-skin called KD/A.
She had some relationships with the Hextech crystals;
Here is where it get´s bad; Originally Hextech crystals were mined by piltover as energy source, but what people didn´t know is they are the energy of a Race called brackern, pretty much theyr remnant souls.
Skarner was the last one to guard these, and having failed his task he grew to hate humanity.
They re-writ him completely. Skarner is now pretty much a Monster of a far-away Civilization, literally in a bubble world protected from any outside-interaction (convinient)
and the whole Brackern race is just whiped from all stories.
So where did these Crystals come from now? We don´t know. That´s a plot-hole that exists for no reason now.
They did this pretty much due to this Pop-star girl having some more depth to her then being a mary-sue to help Zaun and piltover live in harmony.
Arcane is still good, so all credit should go to fortiche, while there are some changes i don´t like they did really good and delivered till the end.
The short of it is- Arcane takes the very broad aesthetics, names, and general circumstances of some League Characters and makes an AU out of it, meanwhile Riot Games can’t decide what actual LoL lore is to save their lives on a day to day basis.
They SAY arcane is official canon now, but they haven’t even finished establishing the *last* big canon shake up they made several years ago.
League of Legends as a game isn’t a property suited to real long form storytelling, and if it were Riot aren’t the guys to tell that story.
No, the fact that Vi and Jinx are sisters is PRETTY clear in the game as well.
Very sad that they didn't took in account that even if there is no appearance, it's clear that LeBlanc and Swain "appear" in the series.
Actually, Jinx`s real name Powder and the confirmation that she was Vi`s baby sister was first revealed in League`s card battler spin-off "Legends of Runeterra" back when they still had cinematics."Legends of Runeterra" came out in 2020, one year before "Arcane" Season 1 premiered although it was in production all the way back since 2016, it was put on hiatus twice, first because Riot execs and creatives couldn`t see eye to eye until Fortiche was brought on board and then because of COVID.
One thing to understand is that there is quite a huge disconnect between the lore and the actual game, because the whole of the lore was completely changed a decade ago.
Originally, the lore was about competing nations who would use an area called Summoner’s Rift to settle disputes and grievances, rather than going to war. They would each hire or co-op five ‘champions’ to represent them and these champions would fight to destroy the enemy’s Nexus Crystal, winning the event and, in turn, the dispute.
You saw this in the League cinematic called ‘A New Dawn’.
They decided to change the lore in order to make a more interesting and expansive world, but also because they had designs to expand their game and media catalogue.
The main game mode called Summoner’s Rift, however, did not change and teams of five battling it out to destroy the enemy’s Nexus is still the core mode of the game; though there are others.
Over the years the lore of different games somewhat drifted apart. It became a mish mash of scores of stories from different writers. However, with the success of Arcane, they felt compelled to unify the lore into one coherent story and this has caused some stories to be again retconned.
Arcane season 1 was not really canon, but for season 2 they decided that it was canon and some things were retconned / changed. For example, Jinx was actually older than Vi, and remembers Vi, but since their parents died, Vi was an orphan and had no memory or knowledge of Jinx. And when Vi became an enforcer, Jinx terrorized her with crazy illegal activities just to be close to her sister. Altho she never told Vi that they are related. So in short, stuff like that was changed :)
Most of the changes were well received by the LoL community except one, which is viktor. People loved viktor because he was the MACHINE Herald and they made him the Arcane Herald.
I saw another comment about what to play if not League, but they didn't mention a game called "Teamfight Tactics"
There are a few videos called "Nightmare on reroll street" (part 1-2) Which might be worth checking out if you've already seen season 2, some people on the comments there joke that it's the "canon ending" to Arcane season 2.
The game itself is an "auto battler" or "auto chess", the current season is themed around Arcane, you build a team of characters like Powder/Violet/Vander and they battle against other player's teams, in an 8 player match, until only one player remains. People compare it to chess, card games or sometimes poker.
the is it cannon question is so complicated for it to be explained
As I watched necrit's interview of showrunner Christian Linke after the 3rd act drop, I get a feeling that the reason why a lot of stories were changed and retcon was to bring more interconnectivity and coherence to the lore and the overarching stories. I must agree that Caitlyn's original story was one of my favourite LoL origin stories. However, it was likely too detached from the rest of the champion stories and hence was likely one of the reasons for the massive rewrites. Whether this is for the better or worse, I will reserve judgement until I see more of the rewritten lore as a whole.
The vid completely skipped Ekko lol
Also barely showed ingame footage or side media sources. Not even to mention due to being out before Act 3 it didnt talk about any teased characters like Le Blanc, Jhin or Swain. Minimum effort for fast clickbait I guess.
TL-DR: I second the Necrit suggestions from other comments. Those have actual well-researched informations about the lore.
It's fascinating to me that League of Legends, a game that simply involves a team of players competing against another team of players, could spawn a critically acclaimed TV show.
I used to play it before, and I don't recall any story from it since it was just a battle arena game played for fun. The character descriptions is what provided some lore, which was still an optional read. The way I see it, It's as if each piece in a game of chess were given a story, and works because of how much care was put into those stories.
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I dont know if anyone else answered this but no, this lore isn't in the actual game aside from voice lines you sometimes hear with character interactions. The game of league is like somewhat of an alternate reality battlefield. The player is called a "Summoner" because you are essentially summoning the character to control and fight with them. The lore just serves to create interesting stories for the characters.
3:19 The main version of the game is on PC, with a similar version with a handful of changes playable on phones.
I sincerely hope "warm and welcoming" was meant sarcastically.
me too XD
25:14 it's in text, you read it, it's in their character bios
“Why didnt they do that” they decided make her obsessed with jinx instesd of having her own goals she more exists to help , himder or facilitate vis goals in the show honestly id of prefered her obsession with the mysterials lady grey to been in the sh9 but then been one morr loos end
I find it curious that peoples keep assuming the series will stay in the Piltover storyline. It's far more likely that the next season would start of from one of the other mayor storylines. The forming of Damacia, the war between the Freylord clans, the war between Ionia and Noxus. There are some mayor stories that are based around other regions which can't be incorperated with Arcane.
As I have a Demacian fondness a lot of Demacia Lore is already part of the comic book Lux. This might be a reason to not make a series out of it. Luxanna Crownguard would be a very likeable character to attract peoples in a series. A clumsy mage thats tries to hide her potential as magic is outlawed in Demacia.
I'm still wishing for something that could incorporate Kindred. To me, he's the most fascinating fantasy character like... ever.
Christian Linke confirmed after the finale of Arcane S2 aired that Riot and Fortiche have three shows in the works, all set in different regions: One in Noxus, one in Ionia, and one in Demacia. They also said that one of those shows has already been in production for a year, but not to expect a quick turn around on them, because Arcane took almost 10 years to make, and while a lot of that framework will be utilized in those shows, it will still be a long process to make the shows of a similar quality to Arcane.
Ambessa is about to have a novel about herself soon.
I love how they did a reverse-Wolverine on Vi.
Wolverin is short in the comics, but made tall in the movies.
Whereas Vi is tall in the game, but made short in the show.
Is all of this lore in Game: So by game there is a main one called "summoners rift" in league. There are verbal queues for the characters as you play the game but no. it's not a rpg or story driven game. it's a combat driven fighter that has a massive map and objectives for the fighters. There are subgames that pop up from time to time inside of league of legends that flesh out the lore but Summoners Rift itself is where you "the summoner" summon the characters (from league of legends lore and story) to fight each other. basically pulling them out of the universe and into "the rift" or the battle arena.
Think of it like street fighter but with a big map
The new Map that added called the bridge of progress is the same concept based on Arcane but again, nothing happens on the bridge of progress that drives the story forward, it's just a smaller summoners rift map.
"Do we like act 3? Because I liked act 2" Thank god I'm not the only one.
(spoilers discussed below)
The entire show is aesthetically brilliant, and much of the story moments in isolation are strong. But season 2 felt structurally messy to me. I felt like so much of what happened lacked setup. I didn't feel like the stories all fit together as well as season 1. And I can't for the life of me tell you what the central theme/story of season 2 was. Who were the main characters? What are the main actor's motivations? (Viktor's turn to villain confuses and infuriates me) When the finale comes around, what am I deeply emotionally invested in that I'm hoping to happen? I have no idea. Act 2's Vander extended-family story was the highlight of season 2. After that... bwah? It feels like nothing really changed for our main characters that was comprehensible. Cait had already gotten back in touch with her humanity, and come to some kind of peace with her need for revenge. Vi was united and reconciled with the 3 people she loves most. Jinx gets acceptance from her family, and is able to cooperate with others and live in the moment rather than be governed by her trauma. And Jayce has literally always been a well-meaning, but impulsive dumbass when it comes to anything but science. And the undercity vs Piltover conflict which has been central since the show's inception melts away entirely. In act 3... none of that changes. The meaningful character changes in act 3 are Viktor and Mel. Viktor's change makes no sense to me at all. There's a version of the story where it does. But all of Viktor's actions in a1-2 suggest he's retained most of his humanity, values individuality, rejects (consciously) abusing the arcane, etc. Mel's is oddly the most interesting story in act 3 to me, but felt at arm's length from the rest of the story. And last character gripe: Jinx's vision of Silco gives her advice that could be believable coming from -actual- Silco reflecting, but not from what she knew of him, nor her own mind.
Oh, example of what I mean about story moments strong in isolation: episode 7 was a beautiful pair of vignettes.
Still I love the show. I gripe because I love it. But I was hoping for so much more from its resolution.
Arcane wasnt supposed to be canon, but now it is and along with card game legends of runterra and future shows and movies they are making the lore more intact cuz it could get confusing sometimes
The reason her segment was just a recap and not a comparison like the rest is because Ambessa originated in Arcane, and was added to League of Legends after the fact.
Oh really!!! Interesting
A running theme is that Riot Games commits to absolutely nothing story-wise, just in case something else proves more popular. A particularly egregious example that's kinda related to Arcane is the story of Skarner. In his original lore, the Hextech crystals were literally carved out of the bodies of his hibernating species for the benefit of Piltover. It was a good allegory for how ambitious countries trample over indigenous people and lands. His story rewrite did a complete 180, and now he's some crazy isolationist that threatens to kill anyone under who wants to make contact with the outside world.
Arcane is one of many ways Riot has been adjusting and cleaning up the lore/worldbuilding to better unify things into a single coherent and interconnected narrative for years now.
One major point they got wrong in the video. We've known for years that Jinx and Vi were sisters even before Arcane.
The Caitlyn changes better tie her into the overall narrative of the backstory of Piltover and Zaun.
Something else to keep in mind, the events of Arcane are basically the past in relation to current League storytelling and world building.
And another major point regarding Arcane is that Piltover and Zaun are among the smallest "regions" in Runeterra (the world of League of Legends). We get some of Noxus in the mentions and obviously through everything Ambessa does. But even that is only a small glimpse of what Noxus is and what's happening there. Shurima is barely hinted at through brief images and hints regarding Ambessa's backstory. None of the other major (and much larger) areas and political powers are even mentioned at all.
As I've mentioned before, Arcane is barely even the tip of the iceberg that is the world of League of Legends.
It's going to be fun seeing what else we get in the upcoming additional series they've announced.
That is a big statement! But honestly, in western animation, if you remove Avatar: The Last Airbender, I do not really see any show decisively stomp arcane as a show.
Why noone talking about the wind god from Zaun? Called "Janna"? that must be so cool to know about the past. About Roses clan this can be "Leblanc" shadowclone because she can control her country with her clones. Wheres "BlitzCrank" from Singed project? Theres Plenty of Materials what arcane can go through.
Hi Paisley ! You’re a fantastic creator, the video reacted to sounded a little AI’d to me. However I’m so glad you’re able to dissect the show with more nuance than others thank you !
Yes, this is my first experience with an AI video. I didn't really know they were created like that. I guess I'm naive thinking that that's not happening but, I was wrong!
To clarify: The gameplay they show is with and against bots, it doesn't really look like that when playing in a real game (against other players).
Not in game the games website has pages for characters that include short stories the creators hired writers wo make short stories and biographies for each character
league of legends lore has been retconned and additional AUs created like a million times, so even if something was in the lore, it can be changed super easily and often. Each character in the game has a very basic (3-4 paragraphs) of lore on their store page, and that's it. its not till Arcane was a hit that Riot basically said "Okay, now we will actually care about lore, so everything we produce from now on (aside from current AUs like Star Guardian skin line) are all Canon", and they will retcon any old lore as needed to maintain continuity for Arcane and any current and future media. all media from like 2022 and on are all "more" canon than any of the older lore. for the most recent example, they just did a complete rework on Viktor, including lore, visuals, and gameplay to align with arcane, and he now has a specific arcane skin.
Arcane is a full lore reboot. With the new lore, all previous canons, retcons, skinlines (like KDA and star guardians) become parallel timelines within the Arcane multiverse.
Arcane became officially cannon a few months ago when Riot announced that they're going to be connecting all the lore together.
"does't all this lore is in the game?"
Short answer: no.
The game is nearly completely devoid of lore, save from a few texts from the website and a few character interactions. Riot have been investing in other games and forms of media to try and explore this world they've set up.
As for the game thing, Christian LinkedIn, co creator, said that season 1 was bringing the characters to their game self's which was an utter lie that makes me think that apart from pitching arcanes initial idea he really doesn't know what he's talking about
The guy's last name is "LinkedIn"? Like the business social media LinkedIn?
Same question
@@PhoenixPalmer88 No, his name is Christian Linke. Sounds like a weird auto-correct bug.
note: always remember to keep autocorrect turned off
I really did like episode 7 but yea, episode 8 and 9 felt rushed. Supposedly episode 9 was going to be 90 minutes long. I feel like we could have had a better build up to the fight, and apparently we would have had more scenes of Jinx and Ekko, getting the undercity ready to fight. Really wish Netflix let them cook more xD
There is very little lore in the game itself, aside from character lines. The lore is mostly from when characters are released with short stories, or cinematics / stories written after release. But League lore has always been fluid, and has been scrapped/ retconned multiple times. Some early characters even have 0 lines of lore other than a description.
League of Legends the game can be thought of as a digital "sports" game. Two teams competing for objectives and points and ultimately one team wins and one team loses. The lore around characters is majorly inconsequential to the gameplay, but was created for fun because we gamers are often big lore nerds 😂. Other games Riot has produced since then has incorporated the lore more directly.
To word how the story is told in game to someone who has no idea what a MOBA (the genre of game League is) is:
Essentially when you play the game you have quite literally zero actual story, plot or narrative. The actual game itself is a team of 5 players picking characters (who all get different abilities) and fighting another 5 players to destroy the others base. If a character dies they respawn after a short time, nothing in final and it all resets after each game.
The existing cannon itself is almost entirely told through character bios. Each one of the characters in the game gets a short bio, a few paragraphs long that gives the essence of the character - essentially like the stories you heard in the video you just watched.
When people say XYZ was "hinted at" in-game this almost entirely comes from voice-lines in the game. They are throw away "Catch This!" when throwing a grenade kinda lines in how they're implemented but they all are highlight characterised so Jinx is all excitable and shouting about explosions, Ambessa is all intense and angry, etc....
ANYWAY the hints come in as when X character kills Y character (or hits them with an attack or something equivalent) they sometimes have specific voice-lines they use. For instance there are two characters who are canonically lovers so if one player picks one then kills the other they say a voice-line to the effect of "Why, My love?".. there's a few between Jinx and Vi that hinted at their relationship, same with Caitlyn and Vi, etc.
League of Legends, the game, is an online competitive 5v5 game. Each person uses a different character from the League of Legends universe, but what happens in the game itself has nothing to do with the lore, i'ts completely separate, it's like having a soccer game, but the all the players are characters from Harry Potter. You can get bits and pieces of voice lines during the game that can give you a bit of lore, but that's just it. All of the lore comes from outside the game itself, where writers post biographies and short stories about the characters and the world. You even have some comics about a few characters. And if you would like to know more about the different parts of the world of Runeterra, you should watch Necrit's "The world of riot mmo is already done".
Seek out other videos about League of Legends lore. This maybe one of the most popular, but it seems to have several gaps and errors. For example, players of LoL have known, almost since Jinx first debuted as a champion, that Vi was her sister.
I can't get enough of this show the show is awesome it's so badass it also has a sad story also but I will watch the show all the time hope you make more videos like this Hannah my favorite bestie your funny sometimes at the end of your video 😊😊❤
No way that video skipped over ekko. Wild.
Love act 3, looking forward to things being fleshed out in Riot's other series'. I don't think this is the last we've seen of almost anyone from the cast. League's world is HUGE and there are so many places and characters for the Arcane cast to interact with. Could have done with a "lets wrap this up" episode but not a season, I don't need to see blitzcrank THAT badly
Gameplay isn’t canon, you’re just playing characters against another team of characters. The characters have lore with them in the world of runeterra, but it’s like overwatch in that everything they’re doing isn’t canon when you’re playing it.
11:39 No, it isnt in the game, but there are voicelines from some champions to others relating to the lore outside the game (the ingame arena is the game) love ur vids btw!!
Necrit is the man on lore
Necrit is THE GUY about LOL lore, so you did it well girl
Wow. This is the earliest I've ever been
Since your a writer , id recommend you read the ruination , which is a book made by riot explaining the lore of 1 champion
Yeah, I'd go for the Necrit reviews of the series over whatever this was. This video was mostly correct, but mainly just at a superficial level. It makes a few mistakes, and sounds like it was read by an AI.
I was actually thinking it was AI too because some of the sentences were very strange. Just a few words in the wrong place a couple times through the video, I was like did Chat gpt write this?
@@HannaHsOverInvested Yeah I also think ChatGPT wrote at least a large chunk of the video. As for the voice and images selected I can't tell because I don't know enough about those types of AI to spot the signs.
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That's awesome! Thank you for sharing that. I hope you have so much success.
In the game, you dont play as the champions (vi, ekko, jinx) but rather as a powerful summoner playing a simulated war with champions from different universes, thus the same champion, Lets say Vi, could have vastly different backtories, one of them is the Vi from arcane, others have Vi as a demon, one where she's an android and so on, so Arcane is canon in the sense that it is one of the universes where you can pick from
As a season 1 league vet I find a soft canon approach makes the lore more enjoyable given that I've been around through so many retcons. They're still just making it up as they go.
Is Christian Bale's batman canon?
Is Rob's? Ben's? Does it matter?
It really comes down to how well the stories are written and whether or not thr writers respect the characters.
Besides, as soon as they introduced parallel universes and time travel the value of "canon" plummeted like a crypto scam coin.
The universe is great but it's mostly just a vehicle to tell good stories in. My 2 cents.
I like that term, soft canon. That makes sense to me
yes necrit is the guy
the guy you listened to is way off about a lot of things since his script was clearly written by ai just watch necrit he is so good at lore he is a part of it now
Over all the league universe is rich in character lore, world building, and content the unfortunate situations experienced by myself and 100's if not hundreds of thousands more do not make up the LOL community as a whole. it is worth getting lost in the lore/word itself
That being said...
Whoever told you the league community is "warm and welcoming" should be ashamed of themselves, just speaking from experience as some one that was not contributing (played for over 14 years) to the toxicity, but willing and 100% intends to be honest about the reality of that community.
Not all the people that play league, but a large majority are incredibly rude, immature, bad mannered among other things rhymes with "spacist" or at least bigots in one way or another. Can't count the times I've been been called "tigger" for not doing what the person on my team that's "feeding" = (providing resources to the enemy team aka helping them win) thinks should be done or various other situations.
You made a respectable choice for not getting into the game just avoid it all together not worth the probability of running into a individual such as the many described above.
none of the lore really has any part in the game on a significant level beyond voice lines between eachother.
I didnt watch Arcane when it initially came out and didn't understand the hype around it. I saw Jinx cosplay a lot over the last couple of years but just chalked it up to another weeb cosplay that i didn't understand . I did, however, try to watch Arcane a couple of times but failed miserably and didnt get past the first minutes of the first episode over the last 3 years. Then last week, idk what made me try it one more time? But im happy i did, bc im now obsessed with this world, especially with Jinx. God willing, the next season comes out within the time it took for this season to be made.
0:15 oh GOD DON'T!!! DO NOT!!! STAY AWAY!!!
Y'all trying to kill her gaming hobby in it's infancy, introducing her to THAT cesspool of UNFETTERED HYPER-TOXICITY! Go BACK, do NOT touch!!! I am begging you! 🙏😭
The lore is not linked in league of legends game. Right now most league players do not know almost anything about the lore, unless they research it or see it on the league universe site. That said Riot is developing an MMO for years that will be lore driven and they have some side games like Ruined King RPG and a card game that let's you in on the lore of some characters and regions of Runetera.
Arcane is wholesome fun.
League makes Chernobyl look like Mr Rogers neighborhood
Morale of Arcane: orphan for every vilain!
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Tbh this was the worst video to react, he didn't even showed Victor's look in game, you should definitely watch Necrit
Yeah, I live and learn.
The League of Legends game in simpler terms is just a fighting game with characters you pick to play as. There is no lore to it. It's kind of like Super Smash Brothers if you are familiar with that game. Mario has nothing to do with Sonic, who has nothing to do with Donkey Kong, etc, but they are played in the same game.
The lore comes from the stories and comics. There are small tidbits of lore in the Champion's bios within League, but that's really it.
If you did actually want to play a game that is lore accurate, The Ruined King is a great one for that. And its single-player so none of the fun loving community you mentioned at the beginning.
Arcane wasn't cannon, but become cannon later
riot didnt respect their previous lore writers, canning alot of them from their jobs. Only to turn around to make arcane canon because it got very popular
I really liked Act 3 of Arcane. Honestly, I've been a League of Legends hater for years and years and loved the show, so I think I like it even more because I think the stories for all the champions in the game are terribly thought out and just absolutely godawful and the way they were all done in the series was so much better, haha.
hi hannah where i can free ebook i have friend that might wanna read it?
of course i ask her too to review it
email me and I will send it to you contact [@] hspaisley . com
I feel like the video you are reacting too was made by AI..
Yeah unfortunately the video was really confusing even for me who knows the lore. Btw Hannah, most of the lore is not part of the game itself but it fleshed out in short stories where most characters have 2-3 of them and the range from a 5 minutes to 30 minute reads. In league of legends universe site.
Plot lines like the black rose or things in piltover itself are going to be continued in other shows. It isn’t the best way of doing it, I agree that act 3 was a little messy, even as someone who knows the lore itself, but they are planning on continuing some plots lines, more obviously for me as a lore nerd is Mel’s story, there was a 3 eyed raven in the last scene which references someone is noxus and it looked like the raven swallowed some hextech. Mels was also seen on a noxian ship heading back home.
That thought occurred to me halfway through the video. There were a few sentences where some of the words were a little off of what I understand humans to talk like and I thought... is this an AI video?
Whoever is telling you the League Community is warm and welcoming is not your friend, Please distance yourself from these people immediately for your own safety 😆
Weird that they skipped Ekko.
"How warm and welcoming the LoL community is."
I thought the common understanding was that it's one of the most toxic multiplayer communities ever. I wanted to try it out so I played this practice match where human players play together against an enemy team emulated by the computer and there were people raging in the chat.
I think you can skip this one Hannah. Enjoy the series and the trailers, but stay away for your mental health's sake.
Ah yes, the League community, warm and welcoming!
Do not ever play that hellish game, it is sin. Sloth, Greed, Wrath, Envy, Gluttony, Pride, Lust. All of it.
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you have got to teach me how to do a book trailer
I had some lines from the audiobook I liked and thought of the type of images I wanted with it. Then I hired a designer
Did this dude just make a arcane vs league video without showing a picture of league viktor?
Oh my gosh that's right! I didn't even think of that. But also I think I accidentally reacted to a video created by an AI
is haven required new or just released
Both? 😅 It is my latest book and it has just been released
yordles dont die permanently they come back
Thank God
@@HannaHsOverInvested They respawn in their Hometown, Bandle City, Heimer just needs to take a bus back to Piltover
Arcane is canon, therefore Maddie truly does not understand martial law! 😂
Watching an AI voiceover reading an AI script is pretty disgusting, wish you wouldve done your research and reacted to real creators not cashgrab channels.
This video you reacted to is pretty terrible at showing the differences. I wish you would watch the one from Necrit
Riot don't know themself how to handle LOL lore. They were rewriting it and forgot some stuff they made up a lot of times even before Arcane was created. Before Arcane hype they were saying it will not be canon, but now as show became super popular they changed they mind again and start claiming it is canon.
My assumption they will let Arcane writers retcone all they want from already established lore and create their vision of LOL world in upcoming TV shows (they already said that Arcane universe will expand in future shows about Demacia, Noxus, Ioina regions), after that Riot will claim as canon created lore and progress LOL lore from this point.
It is really stupid for him to create a video like that before the last act of season 2 were released. Like, the show wasn't over just yet and then he makes this? Can't he just wait?