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Hello Dan, love your videos. So how about LH business class in europe? I have booked LHR to Ath via FRA and I thought it was a great price (500 USD RT)
The problem with LH crews is the inconsistency: Depending on the purser in charge, they will go out of their ways to provide a great experience for passengers, while other pursers kinda tell them to provide only the bare minimum. Usually, however, LH crews are always trying their best to make the most out of what their company lets them.
I can only say that Lufthansa was a BLISS some years ago, in economy, after having the other star alliance members on my legs being incredibly disappointing. Specifically: I went from Hannover via Frankfurt to Osla, then Trondheim. On the way there, my Lufthansa flight was 15min delayed, causing me to miss my connecting flight and spending 8 hours in Oslo, falling sick to a bad cold due to ~Airport Vibes~. On the way back, i was really uncomfortable towards Oslo, with barely a Tea being given to me and no other pleasantries. Then, on the Lufthansa part, I had a spacious seat, very friendly crew and they were confused when I carefully asked if I could have a second drink and how much it would cost. Yes, I ended up not getting my money back, but the flight back with LH was absolutely great. Worth its money.
Lufthansa Premium Economy was my first ever Y+ experience. Didnt try it again for half a decade because I just couldnt see the value over Economy, was very pleasantly surprised when I tried it on Cathay.
Just did the A350 premium economy from Munich to Delhi in the bulkhead aisle seat on the right side. The recline was great, but as someone who is 5’8, I felt weirdly cramped due to the wall ahead instead of being able to slide under the seat in front of me. I was genuinely uncomfortable throughout trying to find a comfortable position.
True! That's why I never pick a bulkhead seat in premium economy. I had a bulkhead seat on a domestic United flight in First Class (which is comparable to Premium Eco on intercontinental flights), and I hated the fact I couldnt stretch my legs
Worse than that you have to stow your screens before landing ~20mins. No matter the airline. I have done LH premium economy many times DEN to FRA or MUC on the A340 or A350 and it’s pretty good tbh. ESP as both are around 10hrs or so. I do agree that the lack of screening from the economy seats does not feel special.
Did they have foot rest for the bulkhead seat? I flew on Air Canada's premium economy 777. The bulkhead seats did not have a foot rest and I was falling out of the seat constantly mid flight.
@@karlnicholls1784 Disagree, i had the screen up until the last minutes before touchdown on Singapore economy, and also on Thai businessclass. Be nice to the crew, no unnecessary questions, dont get talkative to the crew after a few shots, dont act Canadian in any way, no perfume (if youre a guy) - this is called being POLITE and will earn you some goodwill.
Please do not get people fired over a wet floor (water). thanks Also ask for corporate filming permission first and respect people not wanting to be covered by your lenses.
Thanks for the video! I had a 9hr flight to Vancouver with LH from Munich in Eco and a premium eco flight back. They surprised me positively on both flights. Improved a lot since the pandemic. The hot towel surprised me a lot and the crew was great. We would also get drinks for the long flights and a bottle of water in economy. Dishes were yummy and we had even two meals on the flight (I think this happens on flights that are 9 hrs or longer). All in all maybe some way to go but on the right track IMO!
Flew from YVR to FRA this last July on a Lufthansa 747-400 in Premium Economy. There we had one dedicated lavatory and galley located between Premium Economy and Business towards the front. The separation from plain Economy was a fixed bulkhead and curtains across the aisles. The seating was 2-4-2, though it was actually more like 2-2|2-2 with a double wide armrest in the middle. I would deduct some points for the awkward placement of the seat bracing that makes it difficult to impossible to store any carry-on under the seat in front of you, or to stretch your legs out comfortably under the seat in front of you.
I just booked a Premium Economy flight on Lufthansa for May/June of 2024, from Saint Louis to Frankfurt. It was not just a couple hundred dollars/euros to upgrade from economy. It was roughly $500 EACH WAY to upgrade to Premium Economy. Also, the upcharge to pick your seat is a little ridiculous.
You always seem to fall victim of what I call the “Lufthansa Effect”, which is that the crews treat non-German speaking pax WILDLY differently in comparison to the German-speaking ones. Probably a language barrier, I feel the LH Effect too when flying IB or TK. Although I’m not a native speaker, I live in Germany and I speak the language fluently. I’ve had the chance of running tests for the LH Effect multiple times. If I address a crew member in English, all I can get is “Chicken or pasta”. If I address a crew member in German, the crews tend to be so much more engaging and talkative and even funny! The difference in treatment is mind boggling.
I can at least minimally confirm your test. We flew LH both times my high school took the German students to Germany. I was in German 3 the first time and just had basics for travel but inside the country. They were polite but very short with me despite a very feeble attempt at stringing words together. When I went again in 2019 after finishing a majority of German V (the highest level) and being conversationally fluent I had a way easier time and got better service. But I also noticed that the flight heading to Germany in 2019 had two of five flight attendants as Americans, whereas in 2017 the first time, none of the flight crew were Americans even on the flight back into the States.
I'm not a native speaker either, but unfortunately speaking German with the crew doesn't make up for the meager, paltry, and stingy offerings which started even before COVID and have even extended to sister airline Swiss...at least they stopped serving that penne with tomato sauce on every flight, but that second "meal" is sometimes just an otis spunkmeyer muffin and a cup of yogurt (on Swiss, it's a tiny croissant) and I have deplaned hangry many, many, many times. I've since switched to United to stay in Star Alliance but United food is now catching up and has taken a rapid decline recently as well :(
@@swerves I will say at least Premium Economy Plus meals are not the sadness it has been. I flew last year in August from IAD-LHR and it was edible and enjoyable.
I think they just come across as that. I can assure you that most LH crew enjoys their job and their interactions with passengers. My best guess is that a lot of LH crew members (like most Germans) are very self aware about their accent and english profficiency which might lead them to avoid talking English as much as possible, if that makes sense. In General, American and south European "warm" culture is very different to the German culture. As a German, I really enjoy my visits to the US because in Germany most employees, especially in customer service act like you annoy them. You rarely get a smile from anyone.
I just flew Lufthansa Premium Economy last week. I had a flight between Dublin and FRA and then FRA to Riyadh. I had never flown Lufthansa before despite having a friend of 30+ years that works cabin crew for them. I was not impressed by Lufthansa. It was mediocre at best, but for me the plus was my flight crew on each flight were quite joyous and accommodating. We'll see next month when I return to Dublin if I sing the same song. BTW the pumpkin curry meal was also served on my flight. Looked like a plate of sick but really was very tasty.
This fits my experiences with LH. I tend to fly internationally from ORD, which means if going to Europe, you're likely on LH or UA to MUC or FRA. A few years ago the calculus changed and I've preferred flying UA to LH in all classes, Polaris to basic based on service, entertainment options, and customer service if something goes wrong for connections. The final straw for me was a MUC-ORD on a new a350 without ac vents--the cabin crew kept the cabin in the high 70s the entire flight and refused to lower it even after multiple people complained--drenched in sweat and stuffy is no way to arrive after a 9-10 hour flight.
This happened to me last March '23 when I flew from ORD to MUC and had a window seat. I literally was burning up it was so hot. I had to keep switching seats with my wife who had an aisle seat. I really thought highly of LH before this trip but will never consider them again.
I flew LH Premium Economy last May-June. We did have a wall divider between our section and Ecomomy on both flights-Poland-US-Poland. It was double the price of Economy for me. But it was worth it because I was much more comfortable physically. I am 68 years old now and appreciate being more physically comfortable. I don’t know if I can go back to Economy. Yes, I agree, the orange mint juice at the beginning of the flight is really tasty. I normally have good service on the plane. Some better than others.
Took this PE from buenos aires to francfort and it was okay (since i got upgraded because they attributed my selected seat that i paid for to someone else) more leg room but also cold staff and ok meal (I always eat before at the airport to not go hungry). Love your videos, I’ve only been watching you since not even a month, keep on the good work !
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it's very sad they have not improved their service over the years. we never had a good experience with Lufthansa unless it's domestic. my hubby would prefer to walk on water than using Lufthansa for long haul ever again.
I am finally flying on the LH A380 next year (LAX-MUC) and have Premium booked on my return trip. I am curious to try it. But the bathroom issue is one of the things I really dislike about Premium, because I am not good at maneuvering around hundreds of sleeping beauties (or not). In economy I can at lease choose a seat closer to the lavatory.
In Lufthansas A380, premium economy has its own separate cabin in the front of the plane with separate bathrooms, making it more comfortable than on any other of their aircraft. I have tried this once FRA-MIA and liked it a lot.
As someone who lives in FRA having no choice but to fly regionally with LH I have to say, your reports fits my exact opinion about LH. I would probably never fly with LH for long haul. I could do 3hours max. But wowzers this premium economy screams basic economy to me...
My first confrontation with PE was with BA ( World Traveller Plus) on their B 747 in 4 classes! Long time ago. But so nice because of the extra leg room on long flights ( think it was J’Burg) And EVA of course
I flew EVA air from AMS to BKK, when my flights from FRA to BKK were cancelled due to storms, so LH had me go from KRK -MUC-AMS-BKK. I was pleasantly suprised at the level of service I experienced on economy on EVA, compared to the service I got on LH premium economy on my flights to Europe. EVA are just awesome, so I can Only imagine how much better their premium economy would be!
Any plans to try LOT PE? For work reasons I've ended up doing it between Tokyo and Warsaw fairly regularly, and while it's a bit weird, it's more cut-down (LOT) business than upgraded economy, and much better service than what I see in this video.
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To be honest, this is precisely what i want from premium economy. Im a bigger guy, the extra space is what i want, not all the bells a whistles that comes with business.
2 Weeks ago i went from Tokyo to Frankfurt & the Premium Economy was fantastic. 14 Hour flight felt like 5. There was so much space & the seats were really comfortable. I dont see a big plus for using the Business Class.
I always fly Premium Economy only for the increased leg space. Cabin arrangement depends heavily on aircraft. I never had been on PE on the A330 but I can tell you that PE on B787 and A350 are much better in layout (including better lavatory ratio) than the shown A330. One drawback in all PE that I have seen until now is the tray table which is in the armrest. I never choose your proposal for bulkhead seat as in addition the flight entertainment is in the armrest as well. Really cumbersome when you have to get up.
Are the table trays still very flimsy? Took a flight last year, was super difficult to keep the drink in place. This time, premium economy and I'll be bringing my work laptop. 14" screen, slim ultrabook, about 3 pounds. Will have Wi-Fi. So can possibly get some work done.
Lufthansa, everyone’s favourite European Airline. I would like to see how LOT Polish Airlines compares to Lufthansa in Business or Premium Economy if that is possible.
Will you try Singapore premium economy? I recently did a 14 hour flight on both business class and premium economy in November and I found the service way better in premium economy than what I got in business class.
Thanks for sharing your PE experience. Answers many questions. Lufthansa economy like 10 years ago, asked for Gluten free. They brought me a sandwich on bread that looked and felt like Angel food cake - respect. 🥪🥪🥪😻😻😻
Haven’t watched yet but I flew Lufthansa one time and have been telling everyone how awesome they are. Only Alaskan has better service but Lufthansa had the best food and most comfortable seating.
Dan are the premium economy seat 27 sections good? I see the plane is 747-400 however I don’t know if these seat can recline back I believe they do but not 100% sure. Also the bulkhead seats are taken already. I have also been checking out your videos on British airlines business class seeing for 1500 more than Lufthansa for premium. We want to fly from Houston to Bologna Italy in September. We flew Lufthansa 2 years ago business to Italy and it was nice but that was on business expense. Just waving our options. Thanks in advance for your input! Love the videos!!
Last week I flew Lufthansa premium economy from Frankfurt to Singapore on a 747. The seat recline was barely more than economy and I slept very little due to the fact that I was in an exit row, and it was very cold near the door. The “blanket” provided resembled a threadbare tea towel and had no warmth. Fortunately I had brought extra socks and a pashmina with me which helped somewhat. I would not pay for this seat again. The meals were hot and tasty and I have no complaints there. The toilet situation is drastic. Two in front of premium economy and four in the tail. These created problems as the aisles are too narrow for a person to pass the carts, and carts spent a long time in the aisles, as that was the entire economy section.
So right about the bulkhead seats. I’ve traveled Lufthansa one way economy and return premium economy, both bulkhead! Very pleased with both experiences, and the prices were great. Going out I was in a beautifully retrofitted and immaculately clean aircraft. The bathrooms were down a short flight of stairs and pristine. The meal going out was roasted chicken and was surprisingly good. Going back I appreciated the bigger seat, etc. But I would have been just as happy in a bulkhead economy seat. Great vid!
I appreciated what your mom said about passengers. I took a British Airways economy flight from Pittsburgh to London with return. The service from the flight attendants was much better than I expected. I latter learned BA flight attendants rate the Pittsburgh flight highly because of the passengers.
Absolutely right! There are only tiny portions, that's the case in Y+ and also in C. The 2nd service is subterranean, these wraps are not edible. And the service between meals is virtually non-existent. What doesn't work at all are the toilets, which are shared with the Y and also the lack of separation from the Y cabin. Simply bad!
Omg! My sister and family already booked a Long Haul flight from Frankfurt to Singapore. Well, need to warn them to bring their own snacks as well. No wonder ur SO IN LOVE WITH LUFTHANSA 😎
The best seats in LH PremEco are the second row window seats. This is row 11/16 in A343 as example. The headrest, when reclined is aligned with the pillar between the windows. Other rows will have the window and this will make your head fall between seat and window. Bulkhead is not good because you can not stretch your legs and provides a cramped position.
The fact that it is hard to get out of your seat with the person in front of you being in full recline [almost certain on a night flight] unless you are a skinny shape shifter, is a deal-breaker for me. And ONE toilet for every 43 passengers. Assuming a strict roster of a specific time for the bathroom, and a specific duration allowed in the bathroom -say 5 mins per person] it would take 3.58 hours for everyone to have a five minute bathroom break! If the average was 10 minutes that gets over than 7 hours-so even on an 8 hour flight there is dubious access, even with strict rostering. Without strict rostering, it is almost guarantied that you would would have to delay ablutions if you were unlucky. Military or police types, or cabin crew, have training and experience at getting their business done, a quick teeth clean, hair done, a shave, make-up, uniform detailing, etc, etc with a 5 minute time frame, and end up looking fresh and well turned out. Civilians? Not so much. The better seat is more comfortable, but over about 6 hours, the blood tends to pool in your lower abdomen unless you have access to a flat-bed. All the other points are just about the same, including a dubious level of service from the cabin-crew in this example. Different people want different things. I would prefer a flat bad seat on a long-haul, even if the in-flight meal was a ham sandwich and a bottle of water. But we are stuck with a business model and average consumer demands. And if you want a really posh meal, it is probably more cost-effective to go to a 5-star restaurant on the ground. But if you must eat 5-star on an aircraft, then enjoy. Not moralizing. Ironically, the people who would get the most benefit health-wise from a flat-bed seat are people with disabilities, seniors and pensioners, but unless they are fairly well-off they would not be able to afford more than one or two trips, and some pensioners, none.
Pretty damning review! I was planning on a Fall '24 flight from the US E coast to Athens via Lufthansa, I'm having very second and third thoughts now about flying with them.
I fly Lufthansa frequently from SFO to FRA and I share your opinion almost fully. Premium economy in LH is worth it if it's a little bit more expensive than the standard economy. On my route, if I can snatch it for $200/5-10k points as an upgrade, I'll get it but otherwise I'd skip. Business on LH is atrocious, honestly Premium Economy on United is much better than Business on LH (bar the lie-down seat of course). I disagree though on the bulkhead seating in premium economy. I flew it once and honestly I didn't like it. The infotainment system in these seats is a hassle and weirdly there's not much to do with your feet despite generous legroom (on regular seats, you just put them under the seat in front of you)
Wow that was a great video I'm a super tall guy and now I have options that are affordable instead of paying thousands of dollars for business class thank you so much❤
Usually Premium eco tickets are very expensive with LH. I just purchased FRA MIA RT in C for 900 Euro and collect even miles, these Hiddensee gems are sometimes available
Yeah. I flew LH economy in the past. I was pretty happy with everything (I am 194 cm) but the portion size left to be desired. Had the Veal Gulash which was delicious but even my 90 year old granny could have eaten more. Luckily they packed extra and gave me anotjer full tray. On my flight back I packed Chinese take out in LA. That’s literally my only problem with them here. If they could just get us some more food.
Ahh making me anxious about my decisions now! I’m flying Incheon to Frankfurt then Frankfurt to Dublin in April with LH! I really hope it’s a great experience it’s going to be my first major overseas trip. Then I’m flying Swiss back home!
To be honest, I like Swiss airline’s better. The seat is much more comfortable and bigger, you’ll have more legroom as well. In addition they feed you more often and better meals. They even distribute toys for children. Everyone gets free earbuds, pillows and blankets. I just came back home from my European trip on Dec 29, 2023.
I think many non germans are just not accustomed to german culture. The flight attendants might speak the bare minimum and not smile - because thats quite a normal thing in Germany. Sure, there are valid problems with Lufthansa... but this might not be one.
I was a Senator with Lufthansa for 10 years. Then lost it all during Covid. Anyway already before Covid 2020, Lufthansa was going downhill very fast. 10 years ago it was one of the best in Europe, but now - forget about them. I have numerous times had my flight cancelled due to various strikes, and the staff are surely not happy working for LH and it shows.
Interesting to see the evolution. Premium Eco is somewhat the same level of comfort as Business Class 25 years ago. It's filling the gap, left by a constantly downgraded economy class and an upgraded business class.
*Explanation to your mom:* We Germans don't really smile that much. Only when close friends are around because we like to take things more serious than in comparison to other countries 😅
@@NonstopDan There are two near the E Gates in Terminal 2 (Primeclass and Priority - near the Emirates lounge I think) and the Air France Lounge in the Schengen zone is also Priority Pass. I've been to them all in the past, though I'm a Lufthansa Senator nowadays so don't tend to bother. You nailed the Lufthansa PE review, by the way. I'm in FRA now waiting for my regular flight in PE flight to Luanda. Given the poor quality of Lufthansa Business, I think their PE is the sweet spot for them.
After twice being burned (figuratively) with ultra-warm transatlantic flights on Lufthansa (probably 82F 28C), I’ve decided to never take them again. The Americans I were with were extremely uncomfortable, the Germans didn’t look uncomfortable. Anyone else have this experience?
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Heloo I'm swedish too
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Hello Dan, love your videos. So how about LH business class in europe? I have booked LHR to Ath via FRA and I thought it was a great price (500 USD RT)
The problem with LH crews is the inconsistency: Depending on the purser in charge, they will go out of their ways to provide a great experience for passengers, while other pursers kinda tell them to provide only the bare minimum.
Usually, however, LH crews are always trying their best to make the most out of what their company lets them.
I can only say that Lufthansa was a BLISS some years ago, in economy, after having the other star alliance members on my legs being incredibly disappointing.
Specifically: I went from Hannover via Frankfurt to Osla, then Trondheim. On the way there, my Lufthansa flight was 15min delayed, causing me to miss my connecting flight and spending 8 hours in Oslo, falling sick to a bad cold due to ~Airport Vibes~. On the way back, i was really uncomfortable towards Oslo, with barely a Tea being given to me and no other pleasantries. Then, on the Lufthansa part, I had a spacious seat, very friendly crew and they were confused when I carefully asked if I could have a second drink and how much it would cost.
Yes, I ended up not getting my money back, but the flight back with LH was absolutely great. Worth its money.
Maybe they didn't like to have to go to Kenya...
Lufthansa Premium Economy was my first ever Y+ experience. Didnt try it again for half a decade because I just couldnt see the value over Economy, was very pleasantly surprised when I tried it on Cathay.
Just did the A350 premium economy from Munich to Delhi in the bulkhead aisle seat on the right side. The recline was great, but as someone who is 5’8, I felt weirdly cramped due to the wall ahead instead of being able to slide under the seat in front of me. I was genuinely uncomfortable throughout trying to find a comfortable position.
True! That's why I never pick a bulkhead seat in premium economy. I had a bulkhead seat on a domestic United flight in First Class (which is comparable to Premium Eco on intercontinental flights), and I hated the fact I couldnt stretch my legs
Worse than that you have to stow your screens before landing ~20mins. No matter the airline. I have done LH premium economy many times DEN to FRA or MUC on the A340 or A350 and it’s pretty good tbh. ESP as both are around 10hrs or so. I do agree that the lack of screening from the economy seats does not feel special.
Did they have foot rest for the bulkhead seat? I flew on Air Canada's premium economy 777. The bulkhead seats did not have a foot rest and I was falling out of the seat constantly mid flight.
@@karlnicholls1784 Disagree, i had the screen up until the last minutes before touchdown on Singapore economy, and also on Thai businessclass. Be nice to the crew, no unnecessary questions, dont get talkative to the crew after a few shots, dont act Canadian in any way, no perfume (if youre a guy) - this is called being POLITE and will earn you some goodwill.
bulkheads are risky!
Lufthansa is everyone’s favourite airline 😂
But I thought yours was Qatar Airways?😜
Please do not get people fired over a wet floor (water). thanks
Also ask for corporate filming permission first and respect people not wanting to be covered by your lenses.
@@NonstopDan😂😂😂 certainly
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@@NonstopDanbahahaha!!! So funny! 😂
Thanks for the video! I had a 9hr flight to Vancouver with LH from Munich in Eco and a premium eco flight back. They surprised me positively on both flights. Improved a lot since the pandemic. The hot towel surprised me a lot and the crew was great. We would also get drinks for the long flights and a bottle of water in economy. Dishes were yummy and we had even two meals on the flight (I think this happens on flights that are 9 hrs or longer).
All in all maybe some way to go but on the right track IMO!
Flew from YVR to FRA this last July on a Lufthansa 747-400 in Premium Economy. There we had one dedicated lavatory and galley located between Premium Economy and Business towards the front. The separation from plain Economy was a fixed bulkhead and curtains across the aisles. The seating was 2-4-2, though it was actually more like 2-2|2-2 with a double wide armrest in the middle. I would deduct some points for the awkward placement of the seat bracing that makes it difficult to impossible to store any carry-on under the seat in front of you, or to stretch your legs out comfortably under the seat in front of you.
Had that same seat bracing problem in Lufthansa economy last summer. Couldn't move my feet around or change positioning of my legs.
I just booked a Premium Economy flight on Lufthansa for May/June of 2024, from Saint Louis to Frankfurt. It was not just a couple hundred dollars/euros to upgrade from economy. It was roughly $500 EACH WAY to upgrade to Premium Economy. Also, the upcharge to pick your seat is a little ridiculous.
Same here, but to sao Paulo. I booked the First Economy seats with extra legspace tho. 100 each per flight.
how did u upgrade? on their website/app or at the airport?
@@cyrellg3491 We upgraded (to Premium Economy) on the web site, and also paid the extra to pick our seats.
I can smell a Kenya Airways review in the distance. Can’t wait for my home airline to FINALLY feature on this channel 🎉🎉
You always seem to fall victim of what I call the “Lufthansa Effect”, which is that the crews treat non-German speaking pax WILDLY differently in comparison to the German-speaking ones. Probably a language barrier, I feel the LH Effect too when flying IB or TK.
Although I’m not a native speaker, I live in Germany and I speak the language fluently. I’ve had the chance of running tests for the LH Effect multiple times. If I address a crew member in English, all I can get is “Chicken or pasta”. If I address a crew member in German, the crews tend to be so much more engaging and talkative and even funny! The difference in treatment is mind boggling.
I can at least minimally confirm your test. We flew LH both times my high school took the German students to Germany. I was in German 3 the first time and just had basics for travel but inside the country. They were polite but very short with me despite a very feeble attempt at stringing words together. When I went again in 2019 after finishing a majority of German V (the highest level) and being conversationally fluent I had a way easier time and got better service. But I also noticed that the flight heading to Germany in 2019 had two of five flight attendants as Americans, whereas in 2017 the first time, none of the flight crew were Americans even on the flight back into the States.
I'm not a native speaker either, but unfortunately speaking German with the crew doesn't make up for the meager, paltry, and stingy offerings which started even before COVID and have even extended to sister airline Swiss...at least they stopped serving that penne with tomato sauce on every flight, but that second "meal" is sometimes just an otis spunkmeyer muffin and a cup of yogurt (on Swiss, it's a tiny croissant) and I have deplaned hangry many, many, many times. I've since switched to United to stay in Star Alliance but United food is now catching up and has taken a rapid decline recently as well :(
@@swerves I will say at least Premium Economy Plus meals are not the sadness it has been. I flew last year in August from IAD-LHR and it was edible and enjoyable.
I think they just come across as that. I can assure you that most LH crew enjoys their job and their interactions with passengers. My best guess is that a lot of LH crew members (like most Germans) are very self aware about their accent and english profficiency which might lead them to avoid talking English as much as possible, if that makes sense. In General, American and south European "warm" culture is very different to the German culture. As a German, I really enjoy my visits to the US because in Germany most employees, especially in customer service act like you annoy them. You rarely get a smile from anyone.
I noticed this visiting Germany too 10 years ago
I just flew Lufthansa Premium Economy last week. I had a flight between Dublin and FRA and then FRA to Riyadh. I had never flown Lufthansa before despite having a friend of 30+ years that works cabin crew for them. I was not impressed by Lufthansa. It was mediocre at best, but for me the plus was my flight crew on each flight were quite joyous and accommodating. We'll see next month when I return to Dublin if I sing the same song. BTW the pumpkin curry meal was also served on my flight. Looked like a plate of sick but really was very tasty.
This fits my experiences with LH. I tend to fly internationally from ORD, which means if going to Europe, you're likely on LH or UA to MUC or FRA. A few years ago the calculus changed and I've preferred flying UA to LH in all classes, Polaris to basic based on service, entertainment options, and customer service if something goes wrong for connections.
The final straw for me was a MUC-ORD on a new a350 without ac vents--the cabin crew kept the cabin in the high 70s the entire flight and refused to lower it even after multiple people complained--drenched in sweat and stuffy is no way to arrive after a 9-10 hour flight.
This happened to me last March '23 when I flew from ORD to MUC and had a window seat. I literally was burning up it was so hot. I had to keep switching seats with my wife who had an aisle seat. I really thought highly of LH before this trip but will never consider them again.
I flew LH Premium Economy last May-June. We did have a wall divider between our section and Ecomomy on both flights-Poland-US-Poland. It was double the price of Economy for me. But it was worth it because I was much more comfortable physically. I am 68 years old now and appreciate being more physically comfortable. I don’t know if I can go back to Economy. Yes, I agree, the orange mint juice at the beginning of the flight is really tasty. I normally have good service on the plane. Some better than others.
Took this PE from buenos aires to francfort and it was okay (since i got upgraded because they attributed my selected seat that i paid for to someone else) more leg room but also cold staff and ok meal (I always eat before at the airport to not go hungry). Love your videos, I’ve only been watching you since not even a month, keep on the good work !
Hi. I see the lowest option to buy aeroplan points - 45000 points for $1400 CAD ( $1050 USD) , have no idea how you are quoting $585 usd for 45000 points , please let me know. Thanks
Probably buying points in another member program which lets you convert them to aeroplan.
it's very sad they have not improved their service over the years. we never had a good experience with Lufthansa unless it's domestic. my hubby would prefer to walk on water than using Lufthansa for long haul ever again.
6:45 how exactly can you acquire Aeroplan points at $13/thousand? AC’s own website sells them at $31.49/thousand (if you buy between 20k and 75k).
I was also wondering the same thing
I am assuming you actually have to buy points somewhere else and transfer them to Aeroplan
I am finally flying on the LH A380 next year (LAX-MUC) and have Premium booked on my return trip. I am curious to try it. But the bathroom issue is one of the things I really dislike about Premium, because I am not good at maneuvering around hundreds of sleeping beauties (or not). In economy I can at lease choose a seat closer to the lavatory.
In Lufthansas A380, premium economy has its own separate cabin in the front of the plane with separate bathrooms, making it more comfortable than on any other of their aircraft. I have tried this once FRA-MIA and liked it a lot.
I just flew this 3 days ago (Frankfurt to Nairobi) and I was able to enter the Lufthansa Business Lounge with my Amex Platinum card 😊
4:36 Yes I flew to Rio in the first line of normal Economy and it was like heaven. Thanks Lufthansa
you literally have everything. I come here before any international flight. thanks for sharing. thinking of flying this to lisbon from LA next week. ❤
As someone who lives in FRA having no choice but to fly regionally with LH I have to say, your reports fits my exact opinion about LH. I would probably never fly with LH for long haul. I could do 3hours max. But wowzers this premium economy screams basic economy to me...
premium economy in lufthansa is economy in emirates lol
I go out of my way to not fly with LH. Also, offering the same seat pitch on long-haul economy as on short-haul should be illegal.
Does LH really have 3 hrs fights within Germany? Oh, I guess they circle around the new Berlin airport....
10:24 I’ve had that problem in Premium Economy when I flew British Airways, but their recline is awesome.
My first confrontation with PE was with BA ( World Traveller Plus) on their B 747 in 4 classes! Long time ago. But so nice because of the extra leg room on long flights ( think it was J’Burg)
And EVA of course
I flew EVA air from AMS to BKK, when my flights from FRA to BKK were cancelled due to storms, so LH had me go from KRK -MUC-AMS-BKK. I was pleasantly suprised at the level of service I experienced on economy on EVA, compared to the service I got on LH premium economy on my flights to Europe. EVA are just awesome, so I can Only imagine how much better their premium economy would be!
at 1:50 , Eurowings a330 non-neo? With the visor? - I thought they retired all their a330s. Could anyone please explain?
Any plans to try LOT PE? For work reasons I've ended up doing it between Tokyo and Warsaw fairly regularly, and while it's a bit weird, it's more cut-down (LOT) business than upgraded economy, and much better service than what I see in this video.
DO YOU HAVE ANY REACTION ON THE WAY YOUR FRIEND JOSH GOT BANNED FROM QATAR AIRWAYS RECENTLY ?
Hie Dan, been watching a lot of your videos and I love them.
I noticed you mention VPN as an option to get cheaper flights.
Can you please please do a video on VpN use and getting cheap flights?
Thanks in advance ,sorry for the long comment😊
To be honest, this is precisely what i want from premium economy. Im a bigger guy, the extra space is what i want, not all the bells a whistles that comes with business.
I am a bigger guy in width not length 😂😂 and I booked the premium economy to Thailand in December so hopefully I will have comfort
2 Weeks ago i went from Tokyo to Frankfurt & the Premium Economy was fantastic. 14 Hour flight felt like 5. There was so much space & the seats were really comfortable. I dont see a big plus for using the Business Class.
I've always wanted to fly Lufthansa! Love your content!
I always fly Premium Economy only for the increased leg space. Cabin arrangement depends heavily on aircraft. I never had been on PE on the A330 but I can tell you that PE on B787 and A350 are much better in layout (including better lavatory ratio) than the shown A330.
One drawback in all PE that I have seen until now is the tray table which is in the armrest. I never choose your proposal for bulkhead seat as in addition the flight entertainment is in the armrest as well.
Really cumbersome when you have to get up.
Are the table trays still very flimsy? Took a flight last year, was super difficult to keep the drink in place. This time, premium economy and I'll be bringing my work laptop. 14" screen, slim ultrabook, about 3 pounds. Will have Wi-Fi. So can possibly get some work done.
Thanks for looking at economy! This is helping me with travel plans.
Do you have to share the IFE screen when you're sitting on the first row of Premium Economy? It looks like there's only one..
Lufthansa, everyone’s favourite European Airline. I would like to see how LOT Polish Airlines compares to Lufthansa in Business or Premium Economy if that is possible.
Will you try Singapore premium economy? I recently did a 14 hour flight on both business class and premium economy in November and I found the service way better in premium economy than what I got in business class.
I wonder if you could review EVA Premium economy soon? I am very interested in choosing it for my families flights to visit me next year 😅
Dan will you review and compare Delta and United premium eco cabins?
Thanks for sharing your PE experience. Answers many questions.
Lufthansa economy like 10 years ago, asked for Gluten free. They brought me a sandwich on bread that looked and felt like Angel food cake - respect. 🥪🥪🥪😻😻😻
How is it possible that Air canada Aeroplane miles can be used by any airline? Do they not have limited airline partners?
Haven’t watched yet but I flew Lufthansa one time and have been telling everyone how awesome they are. Only Alaskan has better service but Lufthansa had the best food and most comfortable seating.
Any info. Or feedback on KLM premium comfort . Im flying from YVR to AMS (direct) in April.
I actually been on Premium Economy on Lufthansa and it was very nice!
Dan are the premium economy seat 27 sections good? I see the plane is 747-400 however I don’t know if these seat can recline back I believe they do but not 100% sure. Also the bulkhead seats are taken already. I have also been checking out your videos on British airlines business class seeing for 1500 more than Lufthansa for premium. We want to fly from Houston to Bologna Italy in September. We flew Lufthansa 2 years ago business to Italy and it was nice but that was on business expense. Just waving our options. Thanks in advance for your input! Love the videos!!
How do you rack up so many airline points?
Last week I flew Lufthansa premium economy from Frankfurt to Singapore on a 747. The seat recline was barely more than economy and I slept very little due to the fact that I was in an exit row, and it was very cold near the door. The “blanket” provided resembled a threadbare tea towel and had no warmth. Fortunately I had brought extra socks and a pashmina with me which helped somewhat. I would not pay for this seat again. The meals were hot and tasty and I have no complaints there. The toilet situation is drastic. Two in front of premium economy and four in the tail. These created problems as the aisles are too narrow for a person to pass the carts, and carts spent a long time in the aisles, as that was the entire economy section.
Thanks so much for the tip at 4:40. Just booked my long haul Lufthansa flight and chose this option! Excited to have that extra legroom!
Glad it was helpful!
@NonstopDan will you review JAL new first class on the a350-1000 in january or feburary?
So right about the bulkhead seats. I’ve traveled Lufthansa one way economy and return premium economy, both bulkhead! Very pleased with both experiences, and the prices were great. Going out I was in a beautifully retrofitted and immaculately clean aircraft. The bathrooms were down a short flight of stairs and pristine. The meal going out was roasted chicken and was surprisingly good. Going back I appreciated the bigger seat, etc. But I would have been just as happy in a bulkhead economy seat. Great vid!
What seat number do you recommend
Hi Dan.
Will you fly ANA premium economy?
That amenity kit is substantially better than the Porsche Design amenity kit I got in LH business class 2 weeks ago.
Thank you for sharing this trip.
Being close or at the bulkhead or a wall is nice. There is since of privacy there.😊😊
Why don’t you try azul Brazilian premium economy I would love to see the video and the seats, I would love the travel tips
Do you have plans to fly ZipAir’s basic business class?
True, the price needs to be taken into consideration.
I appreciated what your mom said about passengers. I took a British Airways economy flight from Pittsburgh to London with return. The service from the flight attendants was much better than I expected. I latter learned BA flight attendants rate the Pittsburgh flight highly because of the passengers.
Absolutely right! There are only tiny portions, that's the case in Y+ and also in C. The 2nd service is subterranean, these wraps are not edible. And the service between meals is virtually non-existent. What doesn't work at all are the toilets, which are shared with the Y and also the lack of separation from the Y cabin. Simply bad!
@NonstopDan, can you review NEOS airlines? I want to know if it is any good.
Omg! My sister and family already booked a Long Haul flight from Frankfurt to Singapore. Well, need to warn them to bring their own snacks as well. No wonder ur SO IN LOVE WITH LUFTHANSA 😎
Are you gonna try Swiss Premium, it would be a good comparison.
Love this series❤
How is KLM Premium comfort? I want to fly from ams to tokyo. Would be stoked if you could test the KLM version :D
Good review. The food? On a par with what both BA and Malaysia served me on my last long-haul flights - in Economy.
Wow. The food portion is so small when you compared it to your iPhone. I don’t normally eat big portions however that is still too small for me.
Where do you get 1.000 Miles for only 13 Dollars? If I want to buy it it says 2.000 Miles is the minimum and they cost 70 Dollars
The best seats in LH PremEco are the second row window seats. This is row 11/16 in A343 as example. The headrest, when reclined is aligned with the pillar between the windows. Other rows will have the window and this will make your head fall between seat and window. Bulkhead is not good because you can not stretch your legs and provides a cramped position.
Who cares where your head falls😂, that is such a strange remark
The fact that it is hard to get out of your seat with the person in front of you being in full recline [almost certain on a night flight] unless you are a skinny shape shifter, is a deal-breaker for me. And ONE toilet for every 43 passengers. Assuming a strict roster of a specific time for the bathroom, and a specific duration allowed in the bathroom -say 5 mins per person] it would take 3.58 hours for everyone to have a five minute bathroom break! If the average was 10 minutes that gets over than 7 hours-so even on an 8 hour flight there is dubious access, even with strict rostering. Without strict rostering, it is almost guarantied that you would would have to delay ablutions if you were unlucky.
Military or police types, or cabin crew, have training and experience at getting their business done, a quick teeth clean, hair done, a shave, make-up, uniform detailing, etc, etc with a 5 minute time frame, and end up looking fresh and well turned out. Civilians? Not so much.
The better seat is more comfortable, but over about 6 hours, the blood tends to pool in your lower abdomen unless you have access to a flat-bed.
All the other points are just about the same, including a dubious level of service from the cabin-crew in this example. Different people want different things. I would prefer a flat bad seat on a long-haul, even if the in-flight meal was a ham sandwich and a bottle of water. But we are stuck with a business model and average consumer demands. And if you want a really posh meal, it is probably more cost-effective to go to a 5-star restaurant on the ground. But if you must eat 5-star on an aircraft, then enjoy. Not moralizing.
Ironically, the people who would get the most benefit health-wise from a flat-bed seat are people with disabilities, seniors and pensioners, but unless they are fairly well-off they would not be able to afford more than one or two trips, and some pensioners, none.
Hello Dan, what are your thoughts about what Josh Cahill went through with Qatar Airways?
I’m from SEasia, considering between Lufthansa Or Air France premium eco , now I think I can make a decision. Thanks for this clip 😀
Pretty damning review! I was planning on a Fall '24 flight from the US E coast to Athens via Lufthansa, I'm having very second and third thoughts now about flying with them.
Hope we get to see JAL premium economy in this series.
Gosh. I miss Kenya. It's been many years since I've been there. All the best to the power couple. ✈
Unfortunately flying from Australia to Europe return once a year its very hard to earn adequate points . No real deals.
I fly Lufthansa frequently from SFO to FRA and I share your opinion almost fully. Premium economy in LH is worth it if it's a little bit more expensive than the standard economy. On my route, if I can snatch it for $200/5-10k points as an upgrade, I'll get it but otherwise I'd skip. Business on LH is atrocious, honestly Premium Economy on United is much better than Business on LH (bar the lie-down seat of course). I disagree though on the bulkhead seating in premium economy. I flew it once and honestly I didn't like it. The infotainment system in these seats is a hassle and weirdly there's not much to do with your feet despite generous legroom (on regular seats, you just put them under the seat in front of you)
Wow that was a great video I'm a super tall guy and now I have options that are affordable instead of paying thousands of dollars for business class thank you so much❤
Kicking off the flight with Priscilla: Queen of the Desert before watching Red White and Royal Blue... girl this is the camp content I am here for.
Usually Premium eco tickets are very expensive with LH.
I just purchased FRA MIA RT in C for 900 Euro and collect even miles, these Hiddensee gems are sometimes available
Love the shade thrown in this video 😂💅
Your mom is so kind!
Yeah. I flew LH economy in the past. I was pretty happy with everything (I am 194 cm) but the portion size left to be desired. Had the Veal Gulash which was delicious but even my 90 year old granny could have eaten more. Luckily they packed extra and gave me anotjer full tray. On my flight back I packed Chinese take out in LA.
That’s literally my only problem with them here. If they could just get us some more food.
Ahh making me anxious about my decisions now! I’m flying Incheon to Frankfurt then Frankfurt to Dublin in April with LH! I really hope it’s a great experience it’s going to be my first major overseas trip. Then I’m flying Swiss back home!
To be honest, I like Swiss airline’s better. The seat is much more comfortable and bigger, you’ll have more legroom as well. In addition they feed you more often and better meals. They even distribute toys for children. Everyone gets free earbuds, pillows and blankets. I just came back home from my European trip on Dec 29, 2023.
Great review Dan. What about the extra luggage allowance?
I fell you should try finnair's flagship premium economy on the a350
How’d you get a better bag even with socks, than I did in business to Buenos Aires??
I think many non germans are just not accustomed to german culture. The flight attendants might speak the bare minimum and not smile - because thats quite a normal thing in Germany. Sure, there are valid problems with Lufthansa... but this might not be one.
People in Germany really don’t smile? Yikes
I was a Senator with Lufthansa for 10 years. Then lost it all during Covid. Anyway already before Covid 2020, Lufthansa was going downhill very fast. 10 years ago it was one of the best in Europe, but now - forget about them. I have numerous times had my flight cancelled due to various strikes, and the staff are surely not happy working for LH and it shows.
Interesting to see the evolution. Premium Eco is somewhat the same level of comfort as Business Class 25 years ago. It's filling the gap, left by a constantly downgraded economy class and an upgraded business class.
You need to review PE JAL - hard shell seat and lounge access - amazing!
*Explanation to your mom:* We Germans don't really smile that much. Only when close friends are around because we like to take things more serious than in comparison to other countries 😅
As someone with ADHD I don't think I've ever been so early for something in my life, or early for anything in general come to think about it...🤣
There are three airside Priority Pass lounges in Frankfurt.
Oh really? If you're the expert, tell me where there's a PP lounge airside in Frankfurt🙂
@@NonstopDan There are two near the E Gates in Terminal 2 (Primeclass and Priority - near the Emirates lounge I think) and the Air France Lounge in the Schengen zone is also Priority Pass. I've been to them all in the past, though I'm a Lufthansa Senator nowadays so don't tend to bother.
You nailed the Lufthansa PE review, by the way. I'm in FRA now waiting for my regular flight in PE flight to Luanda. Given the poor quality of Lufthansa Business, I think their PE is the sweet spot for them.
Great Video 👍
After twice being burned (figuratively) with ultra-warm transatlantic flights on Lufthansa (probably 82F 28C), I’ve decided to never take them again. The Americans I were with were extremely uncomfortable, the Germans didn’t look uncomfortable. Anyone else have this experience?
Although I do agree that 28°C is way too hot
Great content as always.
Dan, you didn’t miss anything in any Lufthansa cabin since 2016, nothing has changed for the better 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great vid tks ,nice couple btw 👍
This was identical as if I were watching an Iberia premium economy video.
Having flown with many PE flights I totally dislike the full recline from the chair Infront. It is a total pain.