@@camerontroutman1605 I think it's the fact that it's written in a Disney font which is what we associate with innocent and happiness yet it's being used to say something malicious and dark that makes it sinister and disturbing. You don't expect something you associate with innocents to say something as dastardly as that.
Do you believe that Kovu deserved to suffer as Simba did in his past? And also because you believe that Simba was a much, way, *BETTER* than Mufasa was???
This song shows how DEEPLY the Pride Lands are still wounded from Scar's Reign, they were ready to cast out Kovu just because he looked like Scar and wasn't an outsider. Scar's disaster still taints their memories
You seem to be forgetting that they are the food supply. They were doing no better under Mufasa than they were Scar. The predators got screwed over in Scar's reign, NOT the rest of the savannah life.
@@alyssabullock6421 0:34 and 1:32 Bambi feels sad but he’s not a Bad Deer. And remember,It’s not only Illegal to Kill. It’s wrong and it’s also Foolish. And souls don’t die.
This is a good song for a variety of reasons, enjoyable to listen to, but what I like most is how it shows the perspective of the rest of the animals who live in the Pride Lands. You see them in the movies as background characters, but it's especially memorable to hear about all the pain they went through while they lived under Scar. I like the line "Someone once lied to us, not we're not so blind". Really gives a good in-depth look into the rest of the animals and how they feel.
After I had gotten older I noticed that too, at first I thought it was just a filler song but after returning to Disney songs like this, it was then that I knew they meant their suffering under scar from the first movie.
Which makes it all the more powerful that his role as Scars heir, something that was once his greatest point of pride, has ruined the best thing hes ever had in a way that, at the time, feels total and absolute. This whole scene was like everyone saying "you did this, you're on HIS side, that's all that's needed to be certain you are bad in every way we cannot afford to trust, and that means you not only aren't part of this pride, this community you never were to begin with. How can you be if every part of you is dripping with HIM?" And he cant argue, even knowing that the ambush was a frame up, bc as far as hes been told his whole life the rest is as true as can be. This sort of storyline can be done really cheaply if you dont bother actually showing the character in question realising by themselves just how wrong everything they thought they knew was, but seeing him hunching under the accusing, almost resigned stares of this kingdom that had become so much more jaded because of the man he grew up looking up to, so quiet as the truth and what it meant for him sank in? It still gets to me, every time God I love this film
That part really disgusts me. Because they're all lying! They are TRULY blind because they are so _consumed_ by their hatred for Scar and the Outsiders, they see ONLY what they *want* to see! 🤬💢 Am I right??
@Elysia63 not necessarily, they didn't give him the benefit of the doubt at all for sure. They thought he wasn't one of them and gave him a slight chance to prove them wrong. The next lines to me are the hardest "for we knew he would do what he's done, and we know that he will never be one of us."
I love this song because it perfectly incapsulates the lasting impact of Scar's reign, let alone his impact on Simba. It's the type of trauma that Kiara can never truly understand, even if that trauma leads simba to irrational decisions.
@@Elysia63 ofc kovu had nothing to do with the ambush but his original intentions weren’t pure that’s the thing. ofc simba wanted nothin to do with kovu after he thought it was suspicious and everyone around him was just telling him he’s paranoid.
It felt like this movie and this song really really really wanted Kovu to be Scar's son, but had to slip in this "technically he's not really" bit at the last second so Simba's daughter wouldn't be his cousin.
+TheFirstHurrah why is that? because lions do that in real life? it's a movie, Nala is not Mufasa's daughter lol and Kovu is not Scar's son, as he repeats about three times during the movie
+D@N!3L jAcKsOn Because have you seen ANY male lions in the pride lands pride besides Mufasa and Scar during the events of the first film? NO. Scar and Mufasa are the ONLY male lions in the pride; which logically means Nala HAS to be the daughter of one of them. I'm guessing she's not Scar's daughter.
That moment where he looks into his reflection and sees Scar is chilling. Takes the message of "remember who you are" from the first film and twists it in on itself.
The animals think they are *ALWAYS* right and that they think they were right along about Kovu, BUT THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 *THEY* are the ones who are blind because they are *SO* consumed by their hatred for the Outsiders and Kovu, they see ONLY what they WANT to see!!!
Born in grief Raised in hate Helpless to defy his fate Let him run Let him live But do not forget what we cannot forgive I always got chills when the birds came out to attack Kovu. The way Simba was looking at him made it look like he actually called for the attack. It was just set up so well. You could also see the clear disappointment on Simba’s face at the end. He truly believed that Kovu would be the one to break the chain of hatred his uncle left behind. I could in fact imagine Simba eventually inviting the other Outsiders back home had the “betrayal” not happened.
"Let him run, let him live" was such a powerful part, it shows even at the face of evil, some people are still willing to let you off with mercy, while others will give u far more fatal punishments, like execution
It's the basic tenet of justice: innocent until proven guilty. If Simba ordered them to kill Kovu and he turned out to be innocent, think what'd happen to the movie. Also, it's partly a sadistic pleasure of rage to chase your enemy.
Late reply but I feel that it's the same as what Scar did to simba after killing Mufasa. When the young Simba was stricken in grief and guilt, Scar told him to run away and good thing for the hyenas incompetence and the cactus field, simba survived and was found and raised by timon and pumba
Personally I feel it takes it to a much darker place but in a good way, like it’s great writing but at the same time that implies they wanted to kill him but he didn’t even do anything, they all assumed he did and didn’t look for any evidence, and also just because the sins of his father when he hadn’t known them long enough to show that he wasn’t capable of those things or that he isn’t evil, it’s great writing mimicking the real world too I love it
*Kovu during the ambush:* -"I had nothing to do with this!" -Constantly jumps in to save Simba's life -"Run!" -Stays back to buy Simba time to escape. *Simba:* Bruh, clearly a traitor. Lol, banish him.
In Simba's defense he was still in shock with the revelation Zira planted that Kovu was in on it to kill him. Whatever Kovu did to help him was null and void. And it did not help that he was an Outsider. But yeah, Simba was in the wrong as well which is the lesson his own daughter ended up teaching him.
Daniel Solie No he is not. He’s just trying to protect his family and people. Remember he is dealing with people who sided with the guy who murdered his father and destroyed his home.
They did not need to go this hard on this song, but I'm so glad it did. Best song in Lion King 2, hands down. Also impactful for being the first time when all the other animals got a voice.
Did all of the animals have THE RIGHT to do all of their treatment on Kovu and even say that he *deserves* to suffer as Simba did? Plus, you even agree that they are "not so blind" because they are NOT AT ALL??
"Let him run, let him live, but do not forget what we cannot forgive" is just very emotional. Simba's entire pride including every animal beside the lions were deeply affected by the revelation of how Scar murdered Mufasa, a king they all loved, and also the attempt on Simba's life. And they're so triggered just by Kovu looking the part that they aren't willing to listen to anyone's judgement but Simba's, because they also love Simba. It just speaks more incredible volumes to the way the antelope singer keeps reciting, "Deception." It just makes me feel for the entire pride and we don't even hear about them all.
No way, I was thinking the same thing. I once called 'We don't talk about Bruno' the 20's equivalent 'Not one of us'. I think 'Not one of us' fits Bruno rather well.
As a young child, I always enjoyed the movie but never understood why all the dislike to the outland lions. As I grew older, I realized that it was a way to show prejudice in a Disney movie and I am so thankful to this movie for showing me how awful prejudice and intolerance to those who are different from you can be ever since I was a kid. This was my favorite song besides the intro.
And the impact Scar's tyranny had not only on Simba, hence why he was always desperate and tries to rule the same way his father taught him, until his unfortunate death, but the other animals in the kingdom as well.
@@healthbar8439 prejudice against the outlanders. Not only did Simba exile Zira he also exiled the innocent children who had nothing to do with Scar's crimes, innocent children left fending for themselves. It's no wonder they were indoctrinated by Zira into thinking Simba was their enemy.
That's not prejudice they were traders when Simba returned instead of them standing behind the true king after they have seen all the chaos Scar & the Hyenas brought to the pride lands they decided to fight with scar instead, so for their obvious treason they were exiled & naturally they would take their young with them especially the boys born under Scars Rule because they would be their only hope at revenge. So they actually deserved it(not the children) but the traders yes, and it just shows over time some can change & be forgiven for their crimes and others gwt so wrapped up in the hate, anger, and lies they tell their selves to justify their wrong doing pretty much what the lyrics say💯!!!
@@marcusrobinson6731 That's still prejudice my guy. The pridelanders wanted kovu out because of what scar did. Kovu isn't scar and isn't like scar. They prejudged kovu without knowing him
This song fucked me up so bad when I was a kid. I've always been an outcast with my family and this song just hits me right in the feels. Even as young as I was (like 4 or 5) I connected to deeply with this.
+Y Bizzle My dad came to see us for the first time in six years but he didn't want to see us. He tried to get back together with Mom but since she refused to break up with her boyfriend he got a pissbaby attitude and left early and later we found out he planned on getting back with mom and taking us down to Alabama then kick Mom out and give us back to his abusive mother who had beaten me when we lived with her. His motive? Not paying child support If he tries to visit us again we are going to call the police on him
+Kyla Harkins Or just being an outcast in general: feeling as though you can do nothing right, that sometimes it feels like the world is conspiring against you. I agree, it's a tough lot in life to feel different. :-/
RocketVoice Mlp™ that's what I'm saying it's crazy that he was with his mom to do a favor for scar cause he was raised to follow in scars prints but when he met Kiara he changed but he couldn't be forgiven cause it was too late
"I'm going to break Uncle Iroh from prison, and BEG for his forgiveness. I've realized he's been a REAL father to me. Though I have come to an even bigger decision. I'm gonna join the Avatar, and help him defeat YOU."
Very similar emotions in that scene but the actual events taking place are completely the opposite. The same ideas expressed but Zuko has moved past his trauma with being exiled to the point that he is, in effect, doing that same thing to himself. The emotional parallels between the scenes show the differences in character development for those two facially scarred characters.
"Just leave us alone!" "Free to go back with your own." Those words cut me every time! I feel like little Anna from Frozen getting rejected by those I considered family
This movie is almost like an aftermath of Scars time as King. He may be gone, but his effects as King still linger. Nor Will they be forgotten. It has greatly scarred everyone in the Pride Lands. Almost like A PTSD that will NEVER go away.
+DeAndre Oglesby •Zira: I have failed you, Kovu. ...I have failed you. •Kovu: I should've known the Outsiders were planning to take over! •Zira: Kovu, King Simba is evil! •Kovu: From my point of view, the Outsiders are evil! •Zira: *_WELL THEN, YOU ARE LOST!!!_*
the creepy thing is. how similar they are to each other, they are related to someone thats the antagonist, treated as one as well. has a sibling that is evil as well. rejected by one of the protagonist (ish) turned away from his family because of a mistake. has a scar. missing parent.
***** I may be mistaken but after joining the group I don't think he ever really betrayed them. The song does work though - his betrayal was against the fire nation.
As a kid, I thought that this song/scene in the movie was no big deal; they just drove Kovu out of their area.. As a young adult it hits so hard now. Kovu is a character that represents every person who's ever been rejected by groups from both sides of their life. He was raised by a bitter, revengeful mother and family, but he's not bad. Nevertheless, owing to where he comes from, he's labelled as greedy and wicked by others who don't understand that it's wrong to generalise. He was accused and blamed for something he didn't do and didn't know about either. He wants to be accepted as 'good' but doesn't get the chance. The way he's driven out and excluded is really sad, with an entire musical number dedicated to vilifying him and pushing forward the point that he's an outcast. Only this time, he's an outcast from both sides. I'm sure many people in real life would be able to identify somewhat with this.
Yes to all of this. And at the same time it doesnt paint the Pride Land people as evil or wicked, they got burned once when Scar took the throne, and seeing one of his pride come back ruffled some feathers but it wasnt until the Outcasts ambushed Simba while he was alone with Kovu and made sure to go "Well done Kovu, just as planned" right in Simbas face before trying to kill him, so either Simba died and all was well for a hostile takeover of the Pride Lands or he managed to survive and Kovu got burned over there. Just out of pure vindictive spite when Kovu wouldnt be the Assassin they wanted him to be. So in that light it was understandable that the Pride Lands people acted on that proof, horrible as it was.
For all the ones who got rejected, forgotten by humanity, outsiders, running away from war. Because of the ancestors and other reasons this song can totally fits.
Oof do you think this is how the african american people felt in the past and in today's era? Maybe thats why their all being so pushy with the black lives matter thing of their's.
I always thought this song was my theme as a kid: not really fitting in and feeling like I might be rejected forever. Luckily that's not quite the case today, but these lyrics still stick.
Is anyone here just to appreciate the song? For the longest time, I thought this was from Prince of Egypt. I hadn't seen either movie in a while, but I still felt like such an idiot.
Sarah Tilgner Don't worry. If I didn't already know what movie this was off of, I would have thought that too. I actually thought about that come to think of it.
I maintain that Simba was entirely justified in banishing Kovu. He'd allowed Kovu into his home and had gone so far as to accept him and the second he let his guard down, Zira ambushed him. From his perspective, it looks like Kovu gained his trust and then the second they were alone away from Pride Rock he tried to kill him. This reaction was entirely warranted
But Kovu still didn’t deserve to be banished cause it wasn’t his fault for the ambush as it was Zira and her influence that caused the messs to happen.
in this song i imagine every type of bully-victim singing about their experience with bullying. "deception. Disgrace" sort of a way to get a inside-look of what their everyday looks like. all the mean words getting thrown at them daily
StotSie as someone who was bullied I actually agree with you on that, yet I can see that they thought this way of me when I was facing suspension because of what a teacher's bully like actions led me to react like. I did get to hear the events that happened after. But I do agree with you fully
That's probably what everyone was thinking the minuet Scar told everyone he killed Mufasa. As well The Hyenas when Scar ratted them out to just to save his own sorry skin.
This song is actually very satisfying to listen to when someone you once trusted betrays you. I recommend listening to this if you ever been hurt by someone if only this could happen to those people.
@@Elysia63 Do you really need to be that person? You Clearly, don't understand the comment. For one I wasn't talking about Kovu (that should have been obvious) and two wasn't suppose to be taken seriously. But I guess I need to be more specific for now on.
@@Elysia63 They could be sometimes just like everyone has certain thoughts that they carry from time to time. It was meant to be relatable for anyone might have been currently betrayed depending on the person or situation (cheaters, abusers, evil people, people who betray their country, whatever the case). Your saying you wouldn't be satisfied if this situation didn't happen to another character (let's say if Scar was still alive). Another example, it's like when you watch Batman interrogate someone on TV, video games, or comic books, (like in Arkham Knight when Batman snaps the thugs arm for gassing the cop in the beginning of the game) the next you hear someone say "if only Baman could interrogate (the worst person you could think of)." Again not meant to be taken seriously but something for someone to feel satisfied for a moment incase they were feeling that way.
@@Elysia63 You: shouts at people in the comments and accuses them of things they didn’t do. Them: Tells you off gently. Also you: calm down you guys, you’re so meeeeaaan. Seriously, how old are you?
@@Elysia63 there’s no reason for you to defend Kovu though. Everyone here agrees with you. There’s this thing called dramatic irony in films, where the audience knows something about the characters or plot, that the characters do not. WE as an audience know that Kovu was not to blame for Zira’s attack, but Simba doesn’t know that. The point of that scene was that Zira’s set Kovu up so that the characters THINK that Kovu was behind it. So it makes sense given what he thinks he knows for Simba to exile him. But what you aren’t realising is that nobody here thinks Simba is correct. There is a difference between understanding the reason behind someone’s actions, and supporting said actions. We do not support Simbas decisions, but we can understand WHY he’s doing what he’s doing. It’s ok to understand a character’s motivations without supporting them, because that’s what makes characters complex and morally grey.
@@Elysia63 I haven’t seen any comments like these throughout this entire video. I think you’re making these up and jumping to conclusions just to start arguments that don’t need to exist because you crave attention.
Do you 100% believe the animals are lying at that part? Because they DEFINITELY are. Because they're SO _consumed_ by their hatred for Scar, they see ONLY what they *want* to see?
G o d d a m n . You can only pick up so many of the words they’re saying in the movie, but now actually reading them... wow. It’s so powerful with a breathtaking choir. Chills.
This song goes SO HARD!!!! Like it had NO BUSINESS going this hard!!! The voices and drum beat meshed together PERFECTLY during the "but do not forget what we can not forgive!" I will listen to that part repeatedly for a good 10 minutes just soaking in its beauty!!
Me and my friend on a sleepover at 11:30 pm: -Alright one more funny video. Also us at 3 am: **somehow managing to harmonize nearly perfectly.** Born in Grief, raised in hate! Helpless to defy his fate
Simba:we are one...*turns to see kovu* wait a second whose he he's not one of us Kiara:dad you just said we are one then you turn around and see him and say we aren't one
That's because he's not sure if Kovu thinks of them all as a one, but he interprets from the ambush and the way Kovu behaves that Kovu doesn't think he's one of them. If anything Simba is seeing the situations empathically.
![Deliver Us [Lyrics]~The Prince of Egypt](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OqiEJ0WFUwA/mqdefault.jpg)
Seeing 'Born in grief, raised in hate, helpless to defy his fate' in a Disney font is really sinister
How is that sinister? I’m just asking a honest question
@@camerontroutman1605 It just Has that energy, y'see?
@@camerontroutman1605 I think it's the fact that it's written in a Disney font which is what we associate with innocent and happiness yet it's being used to say something malicious and dark that makes it sinister and disturbing. You don't expect something you associate with innocents to say something as dastardly as that.
Idk Disney is pretty dark in general if you really think about it
I always thought it was “Help us defy his fate”
Like they’re angry but they won’t be like him
"Born in greed, raised in hate, helpless to defy his fate" is such a powerful lyrcis. Like it was never Kovu's fault he became like this.
Yep. They understand why he’s the way he is, but they’re not willing to give him an excuse because of it.
But they didn’t know that tho so ofc they go say some like that
@DANIEL CHUKWUKERE If you find the real lyrics, it actual is "Born in greed", not "grief"
It really wasn't
In Italian, they say: "You grew up in grudge, you'll face your fate alone \ You have to go, live and go, but you'll never have our forgiveness".
Alot of sequels were bad but this is one of the few Disney sequels that was a masterpiece.
Do you believe that Kovu deserved to suffer as Simba did in his past? And also because you believe that Simba was a much, way, *BETTER* than Mufasa was???
Is that what you're saying???
@@Elysia63 he was just saying that this sequel was good
@@Elysia63 Are you mental?
@@Elysia63 🤡
This song shows how DEEPLY the Pride Lands are still wounded from Scar's Reign, they were ready to cast out Kovu just because he looked like Scar and wasn't an outsider. Scar's disaster still taints their memories
Well, it wasn't that long ago either. It's been like a decade or so.
Well, that, and the fact Kovu was set up by Zira to look like he tried to have Simba killed.
You seem to be forgetting that they are the food supply. They were doing no better under Mufasa than they were Scar. The predators got screwed over in Scar's reign, NOT the rest of the savannah life.
@@alyssabullock6421 0:34 and 1:32 Bambi feels sad but he’s not a Bad Deer. And remember,It’s not only Illegal to Kill. It’s wrong and it’s also Foolish. And souls don’t die.
@@maozedong8370 you must not have seen the first lion king if that’s what you think.
You know it's bad when a zebra can sing better than you
Matthew lawley XDDDD
I screamed 😂😂😭
Matthew lawley but these are talking zebras! They have magic powers!
Yes it is
Andy Tsung they are turds
This is a good song for a variety of reasons, enjoyable to listen to, but what I like most is how it shows the perspective of the rest of the animals who live in the Pride Lands. You see them in the movies as background characters, but it's especially memorable to hear about all the pain they went through while they lived under Scar. I like the line "Someone once lied to us, not we're not so blind". Really gives a good in-depth look into the rest of the animals and how they feel.
I hadn't thought of that until you mentioned this... now I see why...
After I had gotten older I noticed that too, at first I thought it was just a filler song but after returning to Disney songs like this, it was then that I knew they meant their suffering under scar from the first movie.
now*
Which makes it all the more powerful that his role as Scars heir, something that was once his greatest point of pride, has ruined the best thing hes ever had in a way that, at the time, feels total and absolute. This whole scene was like everyone saying "you did this, you're on HIS side, that's all that's needed to be certain you are bad in every way we cannot afford to trust, and that means you not only aren't part of this pride, this community you never were to begin with. How can you be if every part of you is dripping with HIM?" And he cant argue, even knowing that the ambush was a frame up, bc as far as hes been told his whole life the rest is as true as can be. This sort of storyline can be done really cheaply if you dont bother actually showing the character in question realising by themselves just how wrong everything they thought they knew was, but seeing him hunching under the accusing, almost resigned stares of this kingdom that had become so much more jaded because of the man he grew up looking up to, so quiet as the truth and what it meant for him sank in? It still gets to me, every time
God I love this film
I love how badass and powerful simba looks on that rock
"Someone once lied to us, so now we're not so blind" that hits hard for some reason. This whole song hits hard. It's a really powerful song.
That part really disgusts me. Because they're all lying! They are TRULY blind because they are so _consumed_ by their hatred for Scar and the Outsiders, they see ONLY what they *want* to see! 🤬💢 Am I right??
@Elysia63 not necessarily, they didn't give him the benefit of the doubt at all for sure. They thought he wasn't one of them and gave him a slight chance to prove them wrong. The next lines to me are the hardest "for we knew he would do what he's done, and we know that he will never be one of us."
Born in grief, raised in hate
Helpless to defy his fate
Gave me chills, man
It's actually Born in greed, not grief
@@stevenguerra1626 1:15 and 1:17 and why should they not forget about him and usually remember him?
@@stevenguerra1626Straight from Jack Feldman's lyrics (writer of the song)... "born in grief".
@@stevenguerra1626 Look up the lyrics, it says 'grief'.
Simba: "We are one."
Simba, an hour later: "He is not one of us."
Go home, Simba, you're drunk.
Best thing I've heard!
LoveMusic538 it was obviously before he discovered the truth, you mook
Brynhildr's Beloved lol !!!!!😂😂😂😂
XD😂😂😂😂😂😂
He could be baked and drunk at the same time... who knows
Now this is a song when you're kicked out of your Squad
lol
That's so fucking true!
For real though...
Relatable
+Chris Laurent (GAMEFREAK728) yes, I know of this feeling.
I love this song because it perfectly incapsulates the lasting impact of Scar's reign, let alone his impact on Simba. It's the type of trauma that Kiara can never truly understand, even if that trauma leads simba to irrational decisions.
@Kristina Brumbaugh yes in order to protect his family yes
@Kristina Brumbaugh Mufasa
@Kristina Brumbaugh yes
@@Elysia63 ofc kovu had nothing to do with the ambush but his original intentions weren’t pure that’s the thing. ofc simba wanted nothin to do with kovu after he thought it was suspicious and everyone around him was just telling him he’s paranoid.
@@Elysia63 It's an animated kid's movie about talking lions, Kristina, it's not that deep
The anthem of those of us who never really belonged, but were just kinda there...
Relate.
Agree
Anthem of the outcasts 😞
ME as a kid: these zebras can sing
Meeee lol
lol ikr 😀
And the giraffes
+Viktoriya Lebedinskaya I know his voice do
+Viktoriya Lebedinskaya Yeah, that was what my ear caught ^-^
It felt like this movie and this song really really really wanted Kovu to be Scar's son, but had to slip in this "technically he's not really" bit at the last second so Simba's daughter wouldn't be his cousin.
Danny Cam Yeah, even though Nala was probably also Mufasa's daughter, and Simba's half-sister.
TheFirstHurrah shhhhhh hahaha
+TheFirstHurrah why is that? because lions do that in real life? it's a movie, Nala is not Mufasa's daughter lol and Kovu is not Scar's son, as he repeats about three times during the movie
+TheFirstHurrah that doesn't make sense Mufasa died when Simba was a child
+D@N!3L jAcKsOn Because have you seen ANY male lions in the pride lands pride besides Mufasa and Scar during the events of the first film? NO. Scar and Mufasa are the ONLY male lions in the pride; which logically means Nala HAS to be the daughter of one of them. I'm guessing she's not Scar's daughter.
That moment where he looks into his reflection and sees Scar is chilling. Takes the message of "remember who you are" from the first film and twists it in on itself.
I love how they continued the story into a different arc of the same tale. "Someone once lied to us (Scar) now we're not so blind".
The animals think they are *ALWAYS* right and that they think they were right along about Kovu, BUT THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 *THEY* are the ones who are blind because they are *SO* consumed by their hatred for the Outsiders and Kovu, they see ONLY what they WANT to see!!!
AM I RIGHT????
@@Elysia63 I see your point. But its only a movie after all 🤣
@@Elysia63 Dude, you're taking this waaaaay too serious.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 Sorry. I just get aggravated when many people comment say how Simba was being king and what he had done
still In my Opinion the best Song of the whole Lion King Movie Series.
KupferFuchsyx3 agreed
Love the vocals
Same
Agreed as well as we are one. I see another PMD explorers of sky fan?
Kupfer well your opinion is wrong
You know Disney did a good when I can sense the hate and I don't even know what's going on
Omg you really need to watch the movie!
So this dude did a thing and got yeeted from life
Same
Speaking Of Disney.
This song perfectly describes The Live Action Disney Remakes of Old Animated Films.
@@dylansmith5206 This is the song I sing when new trailers for Live Actions for original GOOD movies. Live Action just isn't Disney's thing...
Born in grief
Raised in hate
Helpless to defy his fate
Let him run
Let him live
But do not forget what we cannot forgive
I always got chills when the birds came out to attack Kovu. The way Simba was looking at him made it look like he actually called for the attack. It was just set up so well. You could also see the clear disappointment on Simba’s face at the end. He truly believed that Kovu would be the one to break the chain of hatred his uncle left behind. I could in fact imagine Simba eventually inviting the other Outsiders back home had the “betrayal” not happened.
Forgiveness only comes through sacrifice
Hands down one of THE best Disney songs
This song was put together so good
Yesss
I always thought they said "See you later, alligator!"
Lol
+NakiNaki Serrano You're not alone... I still flip between alligator and agitator when I sing this, so... :3
Alligators: wait, what?
Alligators: wait, what?
+NakiNaki Serrano omg I thought that too! Wow, i've been wrong for all these years lol.
2:00 that voice right there
holy shit
IKR
MuppetMollyStarGleek omg agreed
I KNOWWW!! So good!
Im shook
Yeah, Its like your siblings telling you to. And your like nah I dont care. Then at 2:00 moms come in and tell you get out. LOVE THAT PART
"Let him run, let him live" was such a powerful part, it shows even at the face of evil, some people are still willing to let you off with mercy, while others will give u far more fatal punishments, like execution
It's the basic tenet of justice: innocent until proven guilty. If Simba ordered them to kill Kovu and he turned out to be innocent, think what'd happen to the movie.
Also, it's partly a sadistic pleasure of rage to chase your enemy.
Late reply but I feel that it's the same as what Scar did to simba after killing Mufasa.
When the young Simba was stricken in grief and guilt, Scar told him to run away and good thing for the hyenas incompetence and the cactus field, simba survived and was found and raised by timon and pumba
Personally I feel it takes it to a much darker place but in a good way, like it’s great writing but at the same time that implies they wanted to kill him but he didn’t even do anything, they all assumed he did and didn’t look for any evidence, and also just because the sins of his father when he hadn’t known them long enough to show that he wasn’t capable of those things or that he isn’t evil, it’s great writing mimicking the real world too I love it
*Kovu during the ambush:*
-"I had nothing to do with this!"
-Constantly jumps in to save Simba's life
-"Run!"
-Stays back to buy Simba time to escape.
*Simba:*
Bruh, clearly a traitor. Lol, banish him.
In Simba's defense he was still in shock with the revelation Zira planted that Kovu was in on it to kill him. Whatever Kovu did to help him was null and void. And it did not help that he was an Outsider. But yeah, Simba was in the wrong as well which is the lesson his own daughter ended up teaching him.
Yeah, simba is honestly an egotistic jerk in this movie.
Daniel Solie No he is not. He’s just trying to protect his family and people. Remember he is dealing with people who sided with the guy who murdered his father and destroyed his home.
Igot a quetsion..... why the animals who sing the exile didnt join the fight? I mean.,,, are they scared?
This literally like every game of Among Us
When someone from your squad betrays you.
For real
Hahaha
I just blocked their number.
Deception! An outrage! Disgrace! For shame! Let him run... Let him live... But do not forget what we can not forgive ☠
I felt that 😔
When someone fakes being in a fandom
Carlee Boulais so true
Carlee Boulais no comment has been more true
fandom's suck anyway.
me with over watch honestly
the characters r cute but I know nothing about them . . . except that one's gay
The truest comment I've seen in weeks
They did not need to go this hard on this song, but I'm so glad it did. Best song in Lion King 2, hands down. Also impactful for being the first time when all the other animals got a voice.
Did all of the animals have THE RIGHT to do all of their treatment on Kovu and even say that he *deserves* to suffer as Simba did?
Plus, you even agree that they are "not so blind" because they are NOT AT ALL??
"Let him run, let him live, but do not forget what we cannot forgive" is just very emotional. Simba's entire pride including every animal beside the lions were deeply affected by the revelation of how Scar murdered Mufasa, a king they all loved, and also the attempt on Simba's life. And they're so triggered just by Kovu looking the part that they aren't willing to listen to anyone's judgement but Simba's, because they also love Simba. It just speaks more incredible volumes to the way the antelope singer keeps reciting, "Deception." It just makes me feel for the entire pride and we don't even hear about them all.
This scene had my heart broken for Kovu D:
***** damn cartoons breaking other cartoons hearts how dare they!!!!!!!!!
***** my heart is a black hole..
***** o_o you reply fastly im scared now *runsaway*
I was all KOVOOOOOOO!!!!(〒︿〒)(〒︿〒)(〒︿〒)(〒︿〒)(〒︿〒)
***** Kopa wasn't in any of the movies so I doubt most people know about Kopa.
This song fits Zuko from Avatar the last air bender.
Omg yassss
An AMV is how I found dis song
Or Anakin from Star Wars.
Suits a lot of characters from different series, I guess. But it fits Zuko the best! ;)
Agree :3
"someone once lied to us now we're not so blind" hits different
We dont talk about bruno really learned a lot in this song.
This song is a masterpiece.
No way, I was thinking the same thing. I once called 'We don't talk about Bruno' the 20's equivalent 'Not one of us'. I think 'Not one of us' fits Bruno rather well.
bro, not even the Madrigal family went so hard
We don’t talk about Bruno was a little more comedic of course. I’m in my 30’s and this still makes me cry
I had the biggest crush on Kovu when I was little😂
+Forever Lotr THANK GOD I'M NOT ALONE
+Forever Lotr same
+Floyd Lawton Having a crush does not necessarily mean you want to engage in intercourse.
Yeah... It would be creepy to do that
Dude I was 7 I didn't even know what fucking was
As a young child, I always enjoyed the movie but never understood why all the dislike to the outland lions. As I grew older, I realized that it was a way to show prejudice in a Disney movie and I am so thankful to this movie for showing me how awful prejudice and intolerance to those who are different from you can be ever since I was a kid.
This was my favorite song besides the intro.
And the impact Scar's tyranny had not only on Simba, hence why he was always desperate and tries to rule the same way his father taught him, until his unfortunate death, but the other animals in the kingdom as well.
Explain how you think this movie is prejudice?
@@healthbar8439 prejudice against the outlanders. Not only did Simba exile Zira he also exiled the innocent children who had nothing to do with Scar's crimes, innocent children left fending for themselves. It's no wonder they were indoctrinated by Zira into thinking Simba was their enemy.
That's not prejudice they were traders when Simba returned instead of them standing behind the true king after they have seen all the chaos Scar & the Hyenas brought to the pride lands they decided to fight with scar instead, so for their obvious treason they were exiled & naturally they would take their young with them especially the boys born under Scars Rule because they would be their only hope at revenge. So they actually deserved it(not the children) but the traders yes, and it just shows over time some can change & be forgiven for their crimes and others gwt so wrapped up in the hate, anger, and lies they tell their selves to justify their wrong doing pretty much what the lyrics say💯!!!
@@marcusrobinson6731 That's still prejudice my guy. The pridelanders wanted kovu out because of what scar did. Kovu isn't scar and isn't like scar. They prejudged kovu without knowing him
Simba : Exile¡¡¡
Other animals : *ROAST MODE ACTIVATED*
This song fucked me up so bad when I was a kid. I've always been an outcast with my family and this song just hits me right in the feels. Even as young as I was (like 4 or 5) I connected to deeply with this.
yes same here
+Y Bizzle My dad came to see us for the first time in six years but he didn't want to see us. He tried to get back together with Mom but since she refused to break up with her boyfriend he got a pissbaby attitude and left early and later we found out he planned on getting back with mom and taking us down to Alabama then kick Mom out and give us back to his abusive mother who had beaten me when we lived with her. His motive? Not paying child support
If he tries to visit us again we are going to call the police on him
I've been an outcast in my family too I know how you feel
+Kyla Harkins Or just being an outcast in general: feeling as though you can do nothing right, that sometimes it feels like the world is conspiring against you. I agree, it's a tough lot in life to feel different. :-/
I'm sorry. :(
imagine the Angels sung this when Lucifer was cast out of heaven
As a spn fan all I can say is RIGHT IN THE FEELS!!!
omg you too?
WHO THE FUCK IS CUTTING ONIONS
I was JUST thought of that last night!
I thought you meant Lucifer Morningstar ;)
That last “disgrace” snatches my soul everytime
me: exists
the kids at my high school: "He is not one of us."
"Someone once lied to us now we're not so blind" cough tigerstar cough cough HollyLeaf COUGH
COUGHHHHH LEAFPOOL AND SQUIRRELFLIGHT AHEMMM
Well, I mean..... Longtails blind so...
Alyssa Bullock but he's dead...
Joe Eggebeen oh, right XD
Alyssa Bullock lol yeah
I felt so bad for Kovu
same
me too but it wasn't right of him to help his mom just to do a favor for scar in the first place but that was still bold
RocketVoice Mlp™ that's what I'm saying it's crazy that he was with his mom to do a favor for scar cause he was raised to follow in scars prints but when he met Kiara he changed but he couldn't be forgiven cause it was too late
same
Snape Snape Severus Snape Same. But this song was so good.
Honestly it’s hard to believe how underrated this movie still is. I personal love it
Everybody talking about the Zebra voices, but that hippo got me shook.
"I'm going to break Uncle Iroh from prison, and BEG for his forgiveness. I've realized he's been a REAL father to me. Though I have come to an even bigger decision. I'm gonna join the Avatar, and help him defeat YOU."
i live avatar but.... why?
+Nick Lewis I live avatar too
Very similar emotions in that scene but the actual events taking place are completely the opposite. The same ideas expressed but Zuko has moved past his trauma with being exiled to the point that he is, in effect, doing that same thing to himself. The emotional parallels between the scenes show the differences in character development for those two facially scarred characters.
I love the passion and power of that scene
oh yea.
This is truly the best Disney movie series. The Lion King has truly outdone itself.
When you first came here you ask for judgement. And I pass it now! EXILE!
Kiara knew what he was going to say, right before he said it.
"He asked for trouble the moment he came."
@Julie Castro when you have an accent and start playing cod on XBOX
I loved Lion King 2. Don't get the bad reviews.
IKR?!
i wish lion guard had the same vibe as the first 3 movies
i agree it was one of my faves
CloudsSting I love the Lion Guard, but I know what you mean.
Fuck the lion guard
This is low-key the best Disney song.
“Born in greed, raised in hate, helpless to defy his fate”
"Let him run, let him live, but do not forget what we cannot forgive."
"Just leave us alone!" "Free to go back with your own." Those words cut me every time! I feel like little Anna from Frozen getting rejected by those I considered family
Man black people can sing with soul
Love Bird well the movie take place in Africa. So yeah black people sing better and that hippo voice😃.
RJcruzzer hell yea that hippo lol
Music is our way to freedom. Music is also a way to discuss our pain. That’s why when we sing, you can feel whatever we are singing about.
Michaela Fleming 100% true
Michaela Fleming i cry when I listen to it ... I feel it
This movie is almost like an aftermath of Scars time as King.
He may be gone, but his effects as King still linger. Nor Will they be forgotten. It has greatly scarred everyone in the Pride Lands. Almost like A PTSD that will NEVER go away.
The whole song is a masterpiece but I especially LOVE the flute part at the beginning of the song! Just beautiful
Someone once lied to us
Now, we’re not so blind
Holy fuck, these are some HARD hitting lines. So revealing.
its 2022 but this song still gives me goose bumps when i hear it .The same way it made me feel when i was younger
Same with me
Luke Castellen
Jorah Mormont
Zuko
Anikan Skywalker
are those the ppl singing
+The Toontastic Toon no characters that this song applies to.
Fangirl Friday ohh ok
Anakin Skywalker not Anikan btw
+DeAndre Oglesby
•Zira: I have failed you, Kovu. ...I have failed you.
•Kovu: I should've known the Outsiders were planning to take over!
•Zira: Kovu, King Simba is evil!
•Kovu: From my point of view, the Outsiders are evil!
•Zira: *_WELL THEN, YOU ARE LOST!!!_*
Man this soundtrack is so slept on, spin the block on this song so often
When you finally get that villager you disliked off your island in animal crossing.
Lol it's like kicking him off the island in Animal Crossing New Horizons or exiling them.
I wish I could animate just so I could make that.
Underrated comment
I'll play this when dotty decides to leave
could almost be prince zuko's theme song from Avatar: The Last Airbander
O.O
Bang on
the creepy thing is. how similar they are to each other, they are related to someone thats the antagonist, treated as one as well. has a sibling that is evil as well. rejected by one of the protagonist (ish) turned away from his family because of a mistake. has a scar. missing parent.
It's not fit for him.
Yes he was exiled and has a scar, but he did not betray anyone and no one considers him evil and a threat.
***** I may be mistaken but after joining the group I don't think he ever really betrayed them. The song does work though - his betrayal was against the fire nation.
When I was a kid, when ever this scene was on and even now, I feel so deeply for Kiara, bless her 🧡
I cried during this part of the movie....
Me to bro when frist sene the movie
Neon Clan I still do
iDid not cry
I didn't cry at this scene, but I remember my jaw dropping when the monkeys started throwing stones at Kovu.
Finally, found one that wasn't labeled for kids
Ikr!
It's annoying...
1:01 - 1:21 such powerful part
I'd say the powerful moment is 0:00 to 2:43
It *is,* isn’t it?
This is absolutely one of my favorite movie songs ever.
As a kid, I thought that this song/scene in the movie was no big deal; they just drove Kovu out of their area..
As a young adult it hits so hard now. Kovu is a character that represents every person who's ever been rejected by groups from both sides of their life. He was raised by a bitter, revengeful mother and family, but he's not bad. Nevertheless, owing to where he comes from, he's labelled as greedy and wicked by others who don't understand that it's wrong to generalise. He was accused and blamed for something he didn't do and didn't know about either. He wants to be accepted as 'good' but doesn't get the chance. The way he's driven out and excluded is really sad, with an entire musical number dedicated to vilifying him and pushing forward the point that he's an outcast. Only this time, he's an outcast from both sides. I'm sure many people in real life would be able to identify somewhat with this.
Yes to all of this.
And at the same time it doesnt paint the Pride Land people as evil or wicked, they got burned once when Scar took the throne, and seeing one of his pride come back ruffled some feathers but it wasnt until the Outcasts ambushed Simba while he was alone with Kovu and made sure to go "Well done Kovu, just as planned" right in Simbas face before trying to kill him, so either Simba died and all was well for a hostile takeover of the Pride Lands or he managed to survive and Kovu got burned over there.
Just out of pure vindictive spite when Kovu wouldnt be the Assassin they wanted him to be.
So in that light it was understandable that the Pride Lands people acted on that proof, horrible as it was.
For all the ones who got rejected, forgotten by humanity, outsiders, running away from war. Because of the ancestors and other reasons this song can totally fits.
Oof do you think this is how the african american people felt in the past and in today's era? Maybe thats why their all being so pushy with the black lives matter thing of their's.
@@regraby3544 you think so?
i'm half black and half white and i feel the same way as you all do.
Song of outsiders.
No doubt!
Maybe a Soc song
I always thought this song was my theme as a kid: not really fitting in and feeling like I might be rejected forever. Luckily that's not quite the case today, but these lyrics still stick.
WishfulThinkingArt Same, I'm in Missourid
Is anyone here just to appreciate the song?
For the longest time, I thought this was from Prince of Egypt. I hadn't seen either movie in a while, but I still felt like such an idiot.
best to just move your eyes past all the bs..
+Sarah Tilgner (Ena Spark) oh i can see where you thought it was the prince of egypt.. and ohh just realizing this is a really old comment hahaa
Sarah Tilgner Don't worry. If I didn't already know what movie this was off of, I would have thought that too. I actually thought about that come to think of it.
this would be a good song after he killed the egyptian dude to save the slave, especially in the bible the pharaoh actually wanted him killed
@@janibii_608 or when satan was kicked out of heaven
You know the pride is not fucking around when they bring out the soulful zebra and gazelle, and hippo bass.
I maintain that Simba was entirely justified in banishing Kovu. He'd allowed Kovu into his home and had gone so far as to accept him and the second he let his guard down, Zira ambushed him. From his perspective, it looks like Kovu gained his trust and then the second they were alone away from Pride Rock he tried to kill him. This reaction was entirely warranted
But Kovu still didn’t deserve to be banished cause it wasn’t his fault for the ambush as it was Zira and her influence that caused the messs to happen.
But how would Simba know that? It was a justified reaction, cruel as it seems when you know the truth@@jarekmiller4337
in this song i imagine every type of bully-victim singing about their experience with bullying. "deception. Disgrace"
sort of a way to get a inside-look of what their everyday looks like. all the mean words getting thrown at them daily
StotSie as someone who was bullied I actually agree with you on that, yet I can see that they thought this way of me when I was facing suspension because of what a teacher's bully like actions led me to react like. I did get to hear the events that happened after. But I do agree with you fully
Yeah. Being bullied sucks. Now I just make mean people terrified of me and thus the bullying of me and anyone else stopped.
This song reminds me of Malfoy later on.
i agree!! this is amazing
Greg Goodenough Have you not seen Harry Potter ???? Draco Malfoy is the kid who's dad is a death eater.
Draco is soon to be a death eater. Until the dark lord was destroyed
Muggles these days
fhs2013cb How can you tell? All I know is that Draco is the true main rival of Harry Potter. TBH
I bawled my eyes out at this scene when I was a kid.
28 years , showing this to my husband who had never seen it. Still bawling.
Such a great song. Very relatable if you've ever been publicly shunned. Whether or not it was actually your fault, these lyrics hit pretty hard.
When people are taller than me...
Choco Wat i feel your pain being 4'8 at 15.
Plagg The Cute Kwami Im like 5'2 won't say my age but its younger than fiften
Choco Wat that's me all the f*cking time
People taller than average height feel the same way tho.
I feel ya.
I love this song. I'm an outcast in my own family.
thekrustykrabpizza!!! !!!
Lol and yet your username is catchy.
Why? Doesn't your family love you?
Just learn to forgive and move on. You are responsible for your own life, not them. Improve yourself
Why are we caring about the lions when we got these darn zebras making my favorite song gosh darn it
I don’t know why so many people put hate on this movie, I loved it!!
Fr
Zuko is the only person I think of hearing this song now. GOD that show is like pretty much perfect.
Deception...Disgrace...those words only meant for Scar, not for Kovu T__T
That's all they see when they look at him, the next Scar
True
That's probably what everyone was thinking the minuet Scar told everyone he killed Mufasa.
As well The Hyenas when Scar ratted them out to just to save his own sorry skin.
"Someone once lied to us
Now we are not so bliiiiiiind"
There it is, they didnt want their home to be overtaken by greed and evil *again*
@@aitipsea3909 exactly, it shows how scar treated them in the time he was king
This song is actually very satisfying to listen to when someone you once trusted betrays you. I recommend listening to this if you ever been hurt by someone if only this could happen to those people.
@@Elysia63 Do you really need to be that person? You Clearly, don't understand the comment. For one I wasn't talking about Kovu (that should have been obvious) and two wasn't suppose to be taken seriously. But I guess I need to be more specific for now on.
@@Elysia63 They could be sometimes just like everyone has certain thoughts that they carry from time to time. It was meant to be relatable for anyone might have been currently betrayed depending on the person or situation (cheaters, abusers, evil people, people who betray their country, whatever the case). Your saying you wouldn't be satisfied if this situation didn't happen to another character (let's say if Scar was still alive).
Another example, it's like when you watch Batman interrogate someone on TV, video games, or comic books, (like in Arkham Knight when Batman snaps the thugs arm for gassing the cop in the beginning of the game) the next you hear someone say "if only Baman could interrogate (the worst person you could think of)." Again not meant to be taken seriously but something for someone to feel satisfied for a moment incase they were feeling that way.
@@Elysia63
You: shouts at people in the comments and accuses them of things they didn’t do.
Them: Tells you off gently.
Also you: calm down you guys, you’re so meeeeaaan.
Seriously, how old are you?
@@Elysia63 there’s no reason for you to defend Kovu though. Everyone here agrees with you. There’s this thing called dramatic irony in films, where the audience knows something about the characters or plot, that the characters do not. WE as an audience know that Kovu was not to blame for Zira’s attack, but Simba doesn’t know that. The point of that scene was that Zira’s set Kovu up so that the characters THINK that Kovu was behind it. So it makes sense given what he thinks he knows for Simba to exile him.
But what you aren’t realising is that nobody here thinks Simba is correct. There is a difference between understanding the reason behind someone’s actions, and supporting said actions. We do not support Simbas decisions, but we can understand WHY he’s doing what he’s doing. It’s ok to understand a character’s motivations without supporting them, because that’s what makes characters complex and morally grey.
@@Elysia63 I haven’t seen any comments like these throughout this entire video. I think you’re making these up and jumping to conclusions just to start arguments that don’t need to exist because you crave attention.
"Someone once, lied to us
Now we're not so blind."
Chills
Do you 100% believe the animals are lying at that part? Because they DEFINITELY are.
Because they're SO _consumed_ by their hatred for Scar, they see ONLY what they *want* to see?
This song in avatar:
"Someone once lied to us. Now we're not so blind."
Toph: EXCUSE ME?
Everyone: Sorry...
DBZayan I'm done
that was more of a reference of Scar when he lied.
After seeing the Nostalgia Critic's review of the movie recently I felt like comming here to listen to this song.
Chuck Lee omg sameeeee
Even after all these years this song and We Are One are tied for my all time favorites
Erron Hammesvar lion king songs are unmatched
Very few songs give me as intense goosebumps as this song does. The melody, words and sentiment are genius. My favorite Disney song ever.
When Kylo Ren tries to redeem himself by joing The Resistance.
True words. He's not one of us 'cause he killed Han Solo and then Luke
Star wars fans to Disney.
Wow you predicted Rise of Skywalker
@@catzgaming1857 he didn't really
Walking in the wrong classroom be like....
The lion king 2 never misses with a song!
#lionking2
That moment when that one kid tells the teacher " do we have homework?"
Perfect song for Theon Greyjoy.
He deserved what he got
Or Jon, from catelyn's point of view of course
Brian Callahan I think it fits Jon from the POV of Catelyn or the Night's Watch brothers who stabbed him.
G o d d a m n .
You can only pick up so many of the words they’re saying in the movie, but now actually reading them... wow. It’s so powerful with a breathtaking choir. Chills.
This song goes SO HARD!!!! Like it had NO BUSINESS going this hard!!! The voices and drum beat meshed together PERFECTLY during the "but do not forget what we can not forgive!" I will listen to that part repeatedly for a good 10 minutes just soaking in its beauty!!
Me when you walk into the wrong classroom lol
Me and my friend on a sleepover at 11:30 pm: -Alright one more funny video.
Also us at 3 am: **somehow managing to harmonize nearly perfectly.** Born in Grief, raised in hate! Helpless to defy his fate
This can fit perfectly for a hero turning evil.
I get chills every time I see Kovu looking at his reflection and Scar appears.
One race of people fit this song so well.
Simba:we are one...*turns to see kovu* wait a second whose he he's not one of us
Kiara:dad you just said we are one then you turn around and see him and say we aren't one
Thats the part Simba cant explain
Kovu:😞😭
Kiara: dad now look what you done *comfort kovu*
Simba............, wooops
@@ferretfang5515 Simba angrily:SOMEONE LIED TO US..not again Kiara..not again
That's because he's not sure if Kovu thinks of them all as a one, but he interprets from the ambush and the way Kovu behaves that Kovu doesn't think he's one of them. If anything Simba is seeing the situations empathically.