Scott Pilgrim Takes Off: The Perfect Sequel?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Not sure if people just love or hate this show yet so I guess I'll find out based on who starts yelling at me for my opinion.
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FOR ME This series answered the age old question of "Does Ramona love Scott?" She does, she says she does, she tries to prove it, but for years she's been doubted by the fanbase. A version where Scott "Loses" and she spends the series looking for him kinda really does show a lot.
Why though? Why does she love him in the anime?
@@NationalistsRuinAmerica True. She immediately likes him.
@@NationalistsRuinAmerica She loves him for the same reasons Scott loved her, cause she heard his voice in a dream once. She's sorta just acting the same way that Scott acted towards her, and that's just enough. She reciprocated whatever he felt at first.
@@dartagnanjames8069 I remember in the comics that they had an easy time starting to date and making out sometimes, because they felt a chemistry between them. But that was just the start of it. Remember how much it took for Scott to say the L Word? That's where that whole joke came from. There's a big difference between dating your crush and being truly in love, a love that stood the test of time and interference.
Scott and Ramona went through so much more at the end of the comic, it felt like a true payoff. In the series their grand finale is in reality just their beginning. When the fused Ramona told Scott she loved him in such an Ernest way, I couldn't help but think "girl you dated that dude once, you don't love him, you haven't even seen him at his worst."
I hope if they make a second season Ramona and Scott almost break up before reconciling again, cuz that's what real relationships look like, and that's also what Their relationship looked like in the comic.
@@NationalistsRuinAmerica My experience with the comics was that Ramona was always a sort of Ambiguous goal post for Scott to reach. Their relationship was more fleshed out and I agree that I hope for a 2nd season where they go thru their ups and downs, but this series just positioned Scott as being to goal post for Ramona to reach. I sort of like that.
I loved that the main character, Matthew Patel, really got to shine in this series
Yep. I liked him maybe the most in the movie on his introduction alone. I overall love the alternate storytelling, where each of the exes can express themselves without being subsequently annihilated. Roxxie episode made me teary.
Wish he actually got more time in the story. Following Ramona just felt boring in comparison.
@@HeilRaynah
Yes I also agree how boring it felt. @@Jetpackguyy
@@HeilRayFollowing Ramona was to explore her character deeper while also advancing the plot of the story to physically find Scott. I don’t really believe it was boring, or even paced weird. I think they did a magnificent job expanding upon the idea of Ramona being flawed, and it was entertaining endearing as quite beautiful to watch her work through her break ups and help them find closure with her.
I love how they had to flex the animation by having regular Scott stop the final battle to tie his shoe. They didn't do a cheap "he bends over out of frame then stands back up" or "looney toons scramble animation over the shoe" no it was a frame by frame animation of him tying his shoe
that's a direct reference to the movie as well
That was actually a reference to the movie not sure if the comic did it but yeah fun fact lol
I personally think there’s so much more than just one season, mostly because of the post credit scene, but also the part that, Scott never really developed himself, he saw his future flaws, but not his current ones, so to me that seems like something interesting to see later
Why would Scott need development? He is not the protagonist
Be ause side characters and even background characters can have there own arcs alongside the main characters. It's what makes them more relatable
There’s not going to be a second season
Once the dust settled this wound up being a prequel as well as a what-if; Scott won't have the chance to see the Exes as 'what he could become' but he did see it with his future selves so that may be the catalyst for him to do better in the future. He did at least try to apologize to Knives at the end so there's something there already
he's supposed to be. that's the problem@@Diantroz
I love how they were able to take both parties, have both parties in the wrong, but still manage confront their issues (in unique ways) and manage to come to an understanding. And it’s not just Ramona’s exes.
Envy Adams manages to find closure in a different way than losing her Boyfriend to Scott defeating him and instead Wallace seducing him.
Knives Chau manages find herself and build a career with Stephen Stills, and having no hard feelings after her initial rant at Ramona.
Kim doesn’t get an apology from Scott, but understands what he brings to her life and they sort of let bygones be bygones. Plus, she is helping Roxie Richter after she’s able to find peace with Ramona.
The nuances of interactions go above and beyond the original, be it Novels, Animation, or Live Action. It’s a worthy sequel to Scott Pilgrim vs The World.
She never apologized to the skater dude tho
Just calls him a loser that was lucky to date her
The narcissism though 😅
@@Randomaccount9470 yeah, I didn’t even mention Lucas’s resolution, since that’s “whatever”. LOLZ!
@@RedDragonForce2 I think Lucas had found piece with himself. Him and Gideon are friends. He tries hitting on Kim yet fails but happy about it. Also Steph Pilgrim crushing on him hard. I say that's a good conclusion to his character.
@@noctisluciscaelum211 former enemy to future brother in law. Scott wouldn’t be completely against it.
I feel like Romana could have more time to explain more how she was going to learn from her mistakes. I felt it was kinda went by quickly when they were explaining it
Having both read the comic and watching this -- let's just say at start of both versions Scott and Ramona deserved each other.
Also it seemed like we missed out on seeing what really happened in the original timeline future, since it feels like either one or both of their character development didn't stick but we see a lot more of Scott's POV until the literal end
You sound like you've got your head on your shoulders about this. So before I watch, I have three main questions.
1: Does it capture the spirit of the 90s? That's what the original comic did so well, and would be the most important strength to retain here. (I'm giving this some kind of chance because Ramona as an object is one part of the 90s I'm not fond of, but that has it's limits the other way too!)
2: Is Ramona Flowers a complete Mary Sue, or does she also have flaws as the review suggests? This is obviously a more convoluted setting and story compared to the original. (A minus for sure.) But I can live with that if the characterization is good.
3: Is Scott Pilgrim "Done Dirty" as happens so often in a switch like this? He would need to be on equal footing with Ramona for the dynamic to feel fair. I like the idea of Ramona not simply hiding behind him, but not at Scott's character expense.
@jordanscherr6699 1) it definitely captures the feel of the 90's in the references and aesthetic
2) Ramona is very flawed in both versions, and making her the main protagonist lets it be more visible here
3) Scott loses some characterization due to being absent for most of the show, but he is portrayed faithfully to the comic from what we do get. At least Present Scott is; Future Scott is almost an exaggeration of what he was, and Far Future Scott came off as completely deranged, and we don't get much of a reason for it besides "Ramona left and he had a breakdown over it"
@@symantares9171 I'm sold then, and the review is MUCH appreciated. Thanks! I'm probably going to pick up the comic too though, that way I can take either narrative route that I chose. Edit: I.E. Make my own conclusion which route I prefer. But from what you described, neither will be painful to watch or read.
Would be nice if when Old Scott telling him the story they just put full flashback episode to see original timeline when Scott defeated The League but unsatisfied with the ending instead of a talking scene.
Original timeline is the same as the comic. That's what I assumed at least
I just finished the series and believe me as someone who never read the comic or a kind of see parts of the movie it sparked my interest to actually read the comic as well
Yes, you should definitely get into the comics. I think everyone who’s only watched the movie should also read the comics because it goes more into detail with the main plot of Scott Pilgrim
Same and the movie definitely didn't do that for me
You should definitely read the comics, that was the first version of the Scott Pilgrim story I experienced and it is really good.
The comics combine the best of the movie with the best of the anime. Scott and Ramona meet eye to eye, they both have their faults, they're both equally victims of each other, and in the end they both improve and face the future. Together.
I'm really happy what they did with the exes. I honestly still want to see the original comic adapted to animation, but I was sad after watching the final episode of Takes Off. I wanted so much more. 😢
That one scene of Gordon and Lucas. It's such a strange interaction, and somehow it works perfectly.
@@MrKiller392 it was a pleasant surprise! It reminded me of hanging out with my friends in junior high, minus the house destruction.
Same here, I loved how we learned more about them and even seeing how some of them were genuinely hurt by Ramona especially Roxie. I like how this series had Ramona confront what she did in the past and how it helped her become a better person. I would have really loved to see a straight up adaptation of the comics in an animated format, but I was more than happy with what we got.
@@MrKiller392the scenes with Gordon and Lucas was one of my favorite parts of the series. Gordon and Lucas becoming friends was unexpected, but it worked out extremely well with the type of story and humor that the world of Scott Pilgrim has.
@@morganyoung3557 I'm curious to see what they would do if they make another season. Like, will they have Scott confront his past, like in the original?
I wish they would’ve correctly adapted the show from the comic book into the anime, and add more depth into the character characters instead of doing a what if series, but I’m glad there’s people that can still enjoy it for what it is.
I could see that being a disappointment but they did a good job
I think the title of the video puts it pretty well, this isn't really an adaptation it's a sequel, i do get wanting to see a fateful adaptation tho.
@@TiredMoonRabbit yeah it's more like a epliouge
@@Johnmrobinson-vb5vdI wouldn't say epilog just yet, especially if the show continues.
It’s a classic Netflix bait n switch, like He-man and Castlevania Nocturne. Literally the same story as He-man revelations. We should have expected this. They should have been honest and called it Ramona Flowers, I would have watched the whole season. Now I feel fooled again…
Accidentally binged it in one sitting u_u
I loved the show to death and appreciated the different story in the Scott pilgrim universe,
Only thing I wish was different was the twist, it was still a great twist but I totally expected and thought it would've been better if he had died and came back to a checkpoint to fix his problems
Update, I binged it twice in one night
Not sure if people just love or hate this show yet so I guess I'll find out based on who starts yelling at me for my opinion.
I just watched this, scrolled down and found you already pinned someone's hilarious opinion on everyone in the comment section being "woke" just because they like it. XD
Amazing.
I think it plays into what many disheartened fans have experienced in the past. And so they will write it off as more of the same that destroyed their enjoyment of an IP in prior experiences.
I really enjoyed the Scott Pilgrim movie. It's been in my top 10 ever since. So I was initially excited for this new show.
Before I go further, I did enjoy the show, but have also grown to loath the marketing bait and switch, because of what it hides about the changed material. So I understand why many will abandon it after the first episode or by hearing about what happens.
But looking past the marketing. It's a very enjoyable watch. Showcasing that Ramona is just as messed up as Scott, and hurt people in her life because of it. They are both imperfect people, but can be the best for each other, while being understanding of the others flaws.
It's a coherent story (as much as you can get in that universe) that accomplishes what it sets out to do. Only brought down by its marketing bait and switch.
I hit the bait and switch. Stopped watching did some digging. Decided that I hate it.
I honestly liked the series ^^
Sure it’s driven me on a rollercoaster, but still it was amazing
Personally dislike the hell out of it but that’s my opinion I guess
the thumbnail is so clickbait...
Well I gotta bait SOMEBODY
@@CartoonUniverse and that bait is now going to make some people think this is some feminist political show when its not.
I feel kinda sad that the show implies that the original timeline of the comics would lead to everything that the Old Scott and Older Ramona experienced... I mean it's realistic maybe but like... Idk
Actually from what we saw of the flashbacks I wouldn’t say the future in the anime is the future of the graphic novels/comics. They are leaving out many things from the comics and a couple things look different.
If anything I’d say it is either the future of the movie or it’s the future of an alternate timeline altogether.
@@NarutoTsunadefan1 Scott played/watched the memories of Future Scott in which the memories are highly alluded to being everything what Scott experienced in the comic (if he didn't vanish while fighting Patel and continued beating the evil exes chronologically). Even Older Ramona's script titled it "Scott Pilgrim's Precious Little Life," the title of the comics
@@porygon-z8270 The first episode was also titled that. I think it’s safe to say that it’s the future of an alternate timeline, i.e., being the anime’s timeline had Scott not been kidnapped.
Things were already playing out differently in the first episode of the anime before Scott was kidnapped than the comic. So I doubt Future Scott is future of comics Scott.
@@porygon-z8270 So basically four timelines:
1. Comics
2. Movie.
3. Future Scott’s (what the anime would have been had he not kidnapped present day Scott)
4. The Anime’s
So basically the anime version of the canon story is Future Scott’s timeline.
It’s probably safer to say Future Scott is from that timeline than the comic’s. Comic’s Scott had developed and matured enough by the end of the series that I doubt he’d revert into how Future Scott acts.
@@NarutoTsunadefan1I hope what you are saying is true
It kinda reminds me of Bryan's other book called Seconds. The protag in that one had to also deal with her own misfortunes as a result of her actions.
I hope there are more seasons and not another one-off show that clearly has a lot more to tell.
I really enjoyed the show. It was great to have a new story with these characters, and I loved that they had the cast from the movie.
I hate that i understand the frustration with the rug pull because this shouldn't be the first Scott Pilgrim exposure for anyone for said twist to work.
Its the same issue with the Marvels. And no its not about Brie Larson or woke, its the fact that you need to watch the previous movies and other medium for this storytelling to be effective..
So i think this wouldve worked more if this show was sold as a sequel because first timers would just be lost just from the first ep.
kind of sad we don't get a faithful adaptation, though this is a good way to take the story if we aren't. in the movie it really kind of hand waves all the terrible things Ramona did and her actually having to face them is interesting.
The comic storyline has too much unnecessary filler and scott is completely unlikeable in the comics the show is "WAY" better than the original story
To be fair, Scott being unlikeable is the point.
@@TeaTimeTableI binge read the comics last night to watch the new Netflix series (cuz y'know, it's more of a what-if and all) and I gotta say it didn't feel like there were any fillers at all. And Scott being a jerk felt intentional (which I assume it is considering the development he gets), not just that but jerk Scott was hilarious too. Could be just me, I love a story with flawed characters getting better gradually as the story goes.
@@TeaTimeTable sounds like you weren’t an actual fan of the comic books, AND did not understand the comic books at all
@@camerondalton1495He’s also A-hole in movie too we just didn’t fully realized it because we see the world from his point of view.
I don’t think this was a bad retelling. Its showing Ramona’s point of view. This was something we did not get and makes us feel sympathetic to the evil exes altogether. I was shocked to see they became what they are because of how Ramona treated them. I was disappointed but it makes sense that the writer wanted to tell a different story but fix a lot of characters we didn’t get to experience, with a season 2 hinted. It will make sense on the evil exes going after Scott and be more friendly towards Ramona. But it can go a lot different. I am giving it a 4/5.
My disappointment is immeasurable
My favorite moments involved the Ex-on-Ex banter and relationships. The movie didn’t really have them interact, so scenes like the Matthew vs Gideon fight, Lucas and Todd’s rivalry, and Lucas and Gideon’s friendship were extremely satisfying to see. And Roxie was done so well; far-and-above the angry les-b*tch from the movie, I could see how she was actually a hurt and suffering girl who used violence as an outlet for her pain.
This version of Roxie is so cute.
Negascott and Lisa bros we got played once again
The issue is that if old Scott = comic Scott, then his development and the conclusion of the manga meant nothing. And the main character I grew up reading as a kid is alone and miserable.
The thing I’d say is a valid criticism of it, is it led everyone to believe it would be a faithful adaption.
Only to have the rug pulled out from under them. It’s very jarring for someone who’s a big fan.
That's the fault of the marketing.
Competent writers could have remained faithful while expanding Ramona story. The twist was completely unneeded. But the irony of show about dishonesty supported by dishonest marketing.
@@The_Last_Data_Houndit wasn't really that dishonest, they never really said what the actual show was going to be, plus it functions as a sequel.
@@TiredMoonRabbit pretty much the writers and author did say "the animated series will be its own thing in the universe of Scott Pilgrim", they never falsely advertised it, fans themselves did, the show is amazing and gives a lot of fleshing out that, honestly, a 1-1 adaptation wouldnt been able to because its harder to alter an already made framework than a new one
@@The_Last_Data_HoundThe supposed incompetent writer is Bryan Lee O’Malley himself, so get over yourself. You don’t sound like a critic, you sound like a crybaby
Honestly I didn’t expect it to be a sequel/subplot but I’m not disappointed despite that. Even though it’s from another perspective I still found it interesting and enjoyed it. I honestly like new things added onto lore as it provides more content, more screen time for other characters, and isn’t just a lazy copy and paste cash grab. If you’ve only seen Scott Pilgrim from the movie I recommend getting into the comics and game as well. I don’t blame the author for wanting to do something different and try to flesh out his other characters and at the end of the day it’s his choice.
Sometimes I feel like people are too quick to judge everything these days. There’s so much each has to offer and I’m sorry if I sound too optimistic about it but I’m still happy to see a continuation of Scott Pilgrim series. And hey, if there’s a 2nd season we’ll probably see more of Scott Pilgrim himself. I know it’s a bit different from what people are used to but I would still try to give it a chance and watch all of it and if you still don’t like it that’s fine. You can always go back to read the comics
I just wish I had seen the comics in motion!!! K
I was very disappointed thinking it would be the same story as the comics!!😢
Obs:Blame the Netflix trailers!!! They didn't say anything about their own story!!!
Obs Again: The series is incredible!!! , I was just disappointed by the story!🥲
People are right to judge it
Netflix lied about the show
& made romona the main
Character when its about
Scott pilgrim.
I mostly appreciate how they told a new story using the established setting, something I wish more tv/movie adaptations would do. Also I loved the Roxy/Ramona fight with all the references to various film genres.
same. At first i thought this was going to be a perfect adaptation of the comic but then when i saw Scott disappear, i was confused, untill i watch the rest of the serie only to realise this is a new story.
I really love the animation in Scott pilgrim takes off, love the fight scene, the actors were great, still wish they adapted the show from the comic book, but still this is pretty good.
We’ve seen the original SP saga across comics, a game, and a movie now, and I’m so happy they revisited it from another angle. It gave us so much from all these characters, opened up so many different situations for them to be in that did it revolve around Scott, and really fleshed out the romantic turmoil of Scott and Ramona beyond “they said sorry and now it’s ok”. I couldn’t ask for more
totally agree! loved this approach they took.
I loved this. Sure I wanted the original story with all the cool fights and stuff in anime form but this was still dope. Just wish they would've said upfront that it's a sequel or whatever.
But this still could've worked as a whole 3 season thing. 1st season adapts the og story, 2nd shows Scott and Ramona's issues and and separation, and the final season be this story with a few changes. Wouldve been pretty cool
Imo, the story from the comics could've taken up 2 seasons on its own and that's probably a gamble that Netflix didn't want to take
Netlfix should have been more clear in marketing, they just used the cheap bait and switch to get us hooked.
I would saying more about challenging the audience. Make it something more then a one tries to sell.
My take is I really liked the show, Don't get me wrong i would of much preferred a faithful recreation of the comics and add more depth into the characters similar to how they did.
However as a what if scenario i thought it was pretty fun take to see Ramona take a more leading role as you say having to confront her past/ex's herself rather than hiding behind scott as a scapegoat of sorts.
I never got the hate with Ramona I absolutely love her and scott as characters they're both lost as in neither of them know what they want, both are very flawed and due to this are both very susceptible to manipulation by gideon in the comics with the whole the glow thing. The comics do a good job of showing neither one is perfect and both are flawed but together they can work through their differences and make it work. which is really how relationships work it's not all sunshine and rainbows and sometimes the relationship sours but if you and your partner take the time and effort to just talk and help the other understand it can work just like it did for them. least that's my personal take.
They ruinined me Death note, Saint Seiya, One Piece LiveAction... the list of netflix’s sins is infinite... but those that hurt me more was Aggretsuko (last 2 seasons) & This... (Scott Pilgrim) because I had the disgrace of watching it...
😤
You will NEVER fool me again Netflix... NEVER!
I can see how some might feel it was false advertisement, because it kinda was, and not like it as a result, but I really liked that it was a different story and I got to see these characters and thier world again. Hope they do more seasons and maybe adapt the comic story too one day.
They won’t though. It’s a nextflix bait n switch. Just like He-man revelations (literally same story idea) and castlevania nocturne and anything else Netflix does. Trick audience to get them to watch a show where title character becomes a side character. Should’ve been honest n just called it Ramona Flowers… they obviously don’t have faith in the audience by not being honest about what you’re actually getting
@@fun-with-purpose1436the writer of the comics wanted to do this for years lmao it wasn't Netflix
I liked how the trailers didn't show us the twist in the first episode cause it made it more engaging than just seeing the same story as before but animated. I don't really like trailers that show too much of the story before we can actually see the movie/show/game
@@ashkesslet1149 He's talking about Netflix's advertising of it. Not what the creator wanted to write.
@@fun-with-purpose1436 My guy Bryan Lee O'Malley wrote this himself. This wasn't Netflix forcing anything, this is the story the original creator wanted to tell, not just another adaptation of the original comics.
This show is amazing, I read the comics back in 2019, watched the movie 5 times, and seeing this made me cry out of enjoyment!
Everyone's reaction to this show in a nutshell:
Half the Scott Pilgrim Fandom: Confused screaming
The other half: Poker face
People who have never heard of Scott Pilgrim: Finally some good F*cking Netflix
Honestly as much as I really hate bait and switches this one actually delivered on the story telling that almost justified it in the first place, actually giving something interesting and fun to latch on too instead of goin the Masters of the Universe revelations route of sticking you with a character that you despise the whole series and the plot trying to justify and gaslight you into thinking the main character is good and right but in reality the main character is just a douche. It was great exploring Ramona’s wrong doings with her exes and both of them coming to terms with their pasts and growing from it. Though the bait and switch is what hinders the show as well because….. you know it’s advertised as Scott pilgrim and shows scenes of him even though he’s gone most if not all season, I wished they could’ve sprinkled him in in some places without revealing the plot twist but that’s just me. Even though yes I’m a little disappointed that the comic wasn’t just adapted in the anime I knew it was going to have differences because the creator Bryan Lee O’Malley even said so whenever he was asked about an animated series with Scott pilgrim, he specifically wanted to be different from the comic, movie, and game. Just didn’t expect it to be this different but I welcome it for my case at least. Overall good show.
See this is what the discourse needs. So many people angry about past bait and switches, and needlessly applying that anger here, even though imo this one did it RIGHT for once. I get being disappointed, but I really question how you can watch this show and not find stuff to enjoy if you're a genuine fan.
If you excuse any bait and switch, they will find any excuse to keep making them
Pretty much. biggest issue is while it was said it would not be a direct adaptation, they still lied never telling people it was a entirely new story. If He was just honest that this was a what if short show people likely would have liked it. Sadly the bait and switch is going to push most people away as it tells people you did not think this story could hold up on its own, so you had to lie to get people in the front door.
@@garenthal9638
Yes & its encouraging laziness.
RUINED. SCOTT PILGRIM TAKES OFF AS IN HES NOT EVEN IN IT. I've been reading Scott since before the Movie. Took the love of my life on our first date to see the Film just to have something I've been waiting for be completely altered in such a way I can't help but feel slighted. IMAGINE THEY MADE A POWERPUFF GIRLS ANIME AND REPLACED THE GIRLS BEATING UP MONSTERS WITH FUCKING PROFFER X GETTING CLOSURE FOR 7 EPISODES. Absolutely messed up.
Just finished it and I gotta say though the story did almost a complete 180 I still enjoyed it ALOT. The animation was soooo gooood and I'm super happy the og live action cast came back and reprised their roles. If this somehow comes out as a box set I'm definitely getting it.
I like to think the old scott is the a version that never fought nega scott
This, old Scott is probably from an alternate version of the comic story all together with him having beat negative scott or just being based of the movie version where he just befriends negative scott. Things like the glow not being in the story and Gideon being rich of record labels instead of dream fuckery also give it away
@@JimmyJohnson-fv3mqso you saying that old Scott is a alternate version of comic Scott and not actually comic Scott
@@jaydenlopez3636 possibly, old Scott is technically takes off Scott if he won the battle, and takes off universe has some key things missing.
It's Scott Pilgrim after Bryan Lee O'Malley went to therapy
I was so happy that the ex's didn't just get killed in one shot they actually got to breathe, interact, forgive, and be forgiven. I NEED a second season!
It was a bait and switch
If netflix can do 3 Kissing booth movies than they can do a scott pilgrim cinimadic universe
As a normal guy who brings up Sonic more than he should, I felt called out. Lmao
The correct way to do this would be to name it 'Ramona Flowers vs the Universe' (or some other subtitle AFTER 'Ramona Flowers' and MARKET it as such so as to inform everyone coming to see it what they are being 'sold'.
This is NOT an adaptation... it's something of a quasi-sequel. This was a dishonestly marketed show that's good enough for what it is IF you aren't a big fan of the books (I think it is better for people who never read the books but just saw the film) a lot of character beats simply don't make sense when taken in accordance with the comic book. Like... do we just Ignore that Gideon has his six former ex's frozen in cryosleep somewhere while we're meant to feel bad for him moping at home? The dude is a MONSTER... and we're just meant to pretend like he's not cause the anime is... I guess retconning him... all the side characters are 'mixed around' too much to make space for all this extra stuff that never originally happened and where something like Communities 'dice roll' episode once did an excellent job of portraying a dozen separate realities branching off of an event and how it changes when one person is gone REALISTICALLY to all the characteristics and personalities of those remaining, Scott Pilgrim Takes off simply INVENTS new characteristics and personalities for its side characters to partake in. I'm sorry, but Mathew Patel winning or losing does NOT have any effect whatsoever on who Gideon Graves is BEFORE the fight. We can't pretend like he's actually honestly probably a pretty decent guy if given half the chance. He's got women hidden FROZEN in tubes in his basement.
The movie sidelined Ramona too much to focus SOLELY on Scott's development. This Anime sidelines Scott WAAAAAAAY too much to focus solely on Ramona's development, and as a result their relationship, forgetting the well enough done examinations of their personal growth in their staring role, is NOT developed at all. The books did a FANTASTIC job of showing TWO problematic people bettering themselves and overcoming their flaws to become worthy of each other... where is that here? It's not. Scott and Ramona don't actually even KNOW one another by the end of this adaptation. They've spent the LEAST amount of time together yet of any adaptation. The 'future' Scott is MORE likely to occur now than ever because now he hasn't gone through ANY personal growth to overcome his problems. Ramona has... but as the BOOKS were smart enough to know, ONE party of a relationship getting over their shit isn't enough. You BOTH have to make it work.
I agree the anime didn’t showcase Scott and Romona’s arc together but I felt it was pretty upfront about that in the show itself. Like the conflict at the end centered around Romona (literally) asking herself is this guy that I just met even worth it? Speaks to a lot of people’s experience of feeling pessimistic about new relationships after a history with bad breakups. The show explores Romona being realistically jaded and I see all the effort Romona goes through to find Scott as an exaggeration of her feeling compelled to give their relationship a shot. The show ends at the beginning of their relationship which is why we don’t see them “grow” together. It’ll happen in future seasons if Netflix green lights more but I feel the ending reads as optimistic.
@@ThePhobiephozee2000 It's fair that, if we DO get extra seasons and they DO get around to the two of them growing into a couple that it might recover and get around to being 'about as good as' the source... but at this juncture we don't even know if another season is even intended or not. I can't imagine it's cheap to get a cast this prolific together unless it really is just a ginormous passion project from everyone involved.
Currently I just cant see this as anything but the worst version of the material. Unlike the other two it doesn't stand on it's own like the others (Like who cares if Scott doesn't defeat Mathew Patel if you don't KNOW he's supposed to... and this show is riddled with this sort of thing that just necessitates foreknowledge). It doesn't have the glorious 'edger wright' sense of perfect timing and plot structure, and it doesn't (currently) approach the same degree of careful character work of the original for anyone except Ramona and a COUPLE of her Exes. I DO hope we get a season 2, I hope that if we do, it's more about the BOTH of them in the way the book was the best of both worlds that we have of that thus far.
I'm certainly not against more Ramona after how sidelined she was in the films in any way. She's the best part of this version, and if it were called 'Ramona Flowers Takes Off' I'd probably have even fewer complaints... but maybe, god willing, three or four seasons down the line, it'll all feel like more of a complete thing of its own... I'll still always be bummed we'll never get the BEST version of this brought to life onscreen though :(
I thiiiink. If you walked in expecting a faithful retelling: its jarring and upsetting.
I dont know if its bad yet, havent finished it, but it WAS very strange
I recommend finishing it (or at least getting to the penultimate episode). I had mixed feelings as well, but I felt the conclusion really tied everything together and felt extremely satisfying and heartfelt, so if you’re still a bit up in the air about it, reaching the finale should help.
As a recent fan of this series, i have found this as a great sort of sequel prequel type of thing that i feel like was needed for this type of story. This story always felt like a great coming of age story that we can now get from more perspectives which someone might need. I think if your on defense about this show or series just jump into it and see how you feel i never would've started this series if i wasnt curious, all in all i like this show and think fans and new watchers alike can fall in love with the story time and time again.
I loved the finale of that season but there’s one problem… I don’t know if Scott Pilgrim has a job yet!
Even tough I was kinda dissapointed to not see the adaptaion of the series, this anime has the central theme of Scott Pilgrim, to make up for your mistake and growing as a person.
Its like an epliouge to the comic were all the lose threads tie together and we get more character development for side characters in an interesting remix of the story
I feel kinda sad that the show implies that the original timeline of the comics would lead to everything that the Old Scott and Older Ramona experienced... I mean it's realistic maybe but like... Idk
@@porygon-z8270 I think what they where trying to say is that it is what could happen if scott let's his obsession with ramona get to overwhelming like ramona said scott didn't need to make one rough patch destroy thier relationship because couples get separated but re bown all the time if they love each other then they will get back together
@@Johnmrobinson-vb5vd Old Scott is definitely Prime Scott/the OG from the comics (Netflix Scott even played/watched everything that Old Scott went through which was basically the whole comic). It's just disheartening to see things go that way after all the fluff of self-growth and self-understanding that Scott and Ramona went through the whole comics all crumble because Scott and Ramona had one big oopsie of miscommunications. I mean sure, it fits the whole theme of these characters are all flawed and actual people, but still.
@@porygon-z8270 I see it more as a road block in there relationship that they eventually would overcome if scott learns from his future self
I just loved the execution of Scott being the eight Evil Ex 😂❤😂
Looking back the plot of the show is in the name. Scott pilgrim TAKES OFF… as in, dudes outta there lmao
I'm actually shocked to see that the HE-MAN fans aren't freaking over the Scott Pilgrim reboot because they literally did the exact same thing story wise.
Removing the male title lead from the actual story (While the story still revolves entirely around them) and having the female co-star become the lead.
However, I'll add this: This is less shocking because Ramona always had more agency in the comics. I'm just happy because in the Movie she was basically a prize to be won by everyone.
I mean what they couldve done is adapt the comics as they are in season 1. Then as a season 2 they show Scott and Ramona's fallout in the future leading to the Scott doing the time travel stuff tryna amend his mistakes stuff as we see in events that is shown in Scott Pilgrim Takes off.
I really thought the direction taken for this show was interesting, and while I was a little confused at first, the more I watched the more I got into it, and I can definitely say that this show is a pretty good alternate story to the original. Kind of like the Rebuild of Evangelion movies if I had to put a comparison to it.
I hated it. Perhaps I would think differently about it if it wasn't trying to market itself as an adaptation of the comic with the original cast. When in actuality it does a bait and switch and turns into something completely different.
Good ol’ Netflix bait n switch. Like every other property they have. He-man revelations, castlevania nocturne, the main character disappears and it becomes about a female side characters journey. Why can’t they just be honest about what the shows about. Constantly tricking the audience
@@fun-with-purpose1436I somewhat disagree. They made it pretty clear and said as much from the beginning that the series was gonna be a somewhat spiritual continuation of the original series (due to rights issues it legally can't be) about Teela learning about her mother, and transition into becoming the new Sorceress of Grayskull. Richter also had more screen time in his first season than Trevor had in his. Granted his had double the episodes, but still.
@@0Mitzuio NO. He-Man literally did not make it clear on what was about. Only that it was a sequel series. None of the plot points they wanted to explore needed Prince Adam to be nay-nay'd in order to be explored. Hell the Mike Young show explored some of those same plot points back in '03. I have the entire series on DVD so I'm very aware of this. It was a bait and switch through and through.
Too many times in movies and series people believe that women can only be strong if men are cut out of the picture. In this series it’s awesome to see both the guy and the girl have the determination to change. And make what they have work.
There is nothing wrong with a girl falling for a man. The times it fails is when one of the two starts to ignore the other. That’s when the true injustice occurs.
Wow this series seems great! I'm still PISSED that it wasn't a direct reboot
I like the show. To me, this show felt like a “What If…” show where what if… Scott Pilgrim, supposedly, loses to the 1st EX and how the rest of the story goes without him.
So they basically clotheslined him out of the story
@@shonenking3948hey it’s literally called Scott pilgrim ‘takes off’
I would go as far as to say that future Scott is from an alternate version of the og timeline aswell. Things like the glow or negative-Scott not being mentioned aswell as Gideon being rich from actual business instead of dream manipulation makes me wonder. It would make sense why Scott became so bitter in the future if he never came to terms with himself and his past mistakes
@@JimmyJohnson-fv3mq and yet each episode has Scott pilgrim in its title name, like be fuckin for real
I have mixed feelings about this. Firstly, I felt betrayed as, like many people, I was looking forward to a faithful adaptation of the comic story. Led on by the promotional material of course. I will give credit where it is due, the cast returning to their roles has had the time to refine their portrayal of the characters. Ramona is shown to be a lot less cold and abrasive and Scott a lot less whimpering and scummy than in the movie, which makes the relationship between them that much more likeable. I DID NOT like the focus on Young Neil though as the one repeated joke of him being oblivious got real old real fast. This show seemed to have a lot of jokes that fell flat, and became more eye-rolling each time they repeated it. All in all, this season felt like its purpose was to unchain the setting and characters from the source material and set them up for whatever story they want to tell in the coming seasons. So we'll see...
congratulations Netflix did the same as He-man changed the whole story, mischaracterizing the character and killing the protagonist at the beginning, damn sealing
It was really good and left me wanting more. I binged it last night and now theres a void that can only be filled with more Scott Pilgrim content. Post credits have me hyped for more seasons.
I really liked this series, not only did I love getting to see what Ramona's character was all about but I really loved getting to see so much more of the exes.
I loved this series so much and really hope we get more seasons. I think my favorite scene has to be Lucas Lee vs The Paparazzi because I love the Dead Kennedys, and the choreography of that fight was so stunning.
Gotta be honest, this series really let me down. I’m not saying it has to be a complete adaptation of the original series, I actually like when there’s different changes and twists, but the changes seemed like they were only there for the sake of being changes rather than enhancing the narrative and story. It’s missing a lot of that Scott pilgrim charm and I believe a lot of that is due to Scott’s absence. The plot about finding him just felt flat and uninteresting. I like the idea of the exes accepting the past and moving forward, but it felt very repetitive and shallow tbh. The thing that bothers me the most, however, is the way they advertised the series. It was just false advertising and I hate that.
If they wanted to do a series with Ramona Flowers, why not do that as a second season after they adapted the original story as the first season instead of pissing off the fans?!
I mean I’ve seen more Scott Pilgrim fans actually love and enjoy this series than Scott Pilgrim fans who are pissed off about it so…
@@NarutoTsunadefan1same here! the anime was full of easter eggs only fans would pick up on. My favorite is when young Neil is playing a video game and you can hear one of the background songs from the Scott Pilgrim The Game soundtrack. Cheesed so hard lmao.
Because everyone knows what happened in Scott Pilgrim vs The World. So why make a one to one version?
@@luckluca8982 Not everyone has seen it though?
@@georgeliquor1236 But most people that are watching the series whatched the movie. They even broght all the voice actors back
Definitely not a sequel but I enjoyed being able to experience something new with these characters
I kinda saw this twist coming when O'Malley said this wouldn't be a 1:1 adaptation as, 'anyone can read the comics anytime', but I wasn't expecting just HOW different it would be. I personally see this show as "Ramona Flowers Takes Off" but it was still cool to see new adventures coming from old characters and it still stayed true to the spirit of what the Scott Pilgrim books were all about. So this, to me, is a welcomed edition to the franchise that can stand as its own story. Just wish there was more of the title character, but that's all.
I love ur videos pls tell us what do u think about the plan of alastor with Charlie ❤❤❤❤
i love how in the end Ramona's "super" form looks like the middle of a magical girl transformation that never finishes, it fits with her character well
The show is called Scott Pilgrim and then there is no Scott. 😮
I don't do the bait and switch thing, if I wanted to watch a Ramona show I would, glad I read the spoilers beforehand, but happy for the fans that enjoyed it
I like it.. it makes it look that Scott isn't just an obsessive simp but at least it shows that she too is obsessed with Scott.. so they both have the same equivalent tasks to do for their relationship to work.
Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is not a Sequal. It's an Adaptation Updated for an Modern Audiance.
Having romona as the main
Character wouldnt of been
Bad if they just named it
Romoma flowers takes off
& let scott have his own
Show first.
I'm just shocked they pulled a he-man on scott pilgrim, I mean the plot and advertising method is almost identical. I mean the balls it must take to take a failure of a franchises concept, and pitch it again to the same producers that had it flop and get it green lit by them, to green light another bait and switch series that kills off the main lead....I mean I'm impressed with the sheer determination involved. well anyway I got grass to watch grow good luck with that.
I feel like people before watching the show are hating on it because of people on twitter talking about the first episode
Not going to lie i love the whole yelling at my opinions thing. But i just felt like not watching the video but posting this comment. Your thumb nail is wrong. This isn't a sequel. This is a remake of the comic. Scott doesn't die during the first battle in the comic. So might want to fix the thumbnail.
How to explain what Scott Pilgrim is to a person who has never seen the movie or read the comic books:
Just say "vegan portals" and walk away doing jazz hands.
Really loved it. Was pleasantly surprised when the story diverged from the original story, and it honestly made me enjoy the series a bit more. Having the show follow the characters on an original, unique story allowed the fans to be able to explore and learn more about the characters, and I personally appreciated seeing how the characters interacted with each other.
It's not a direct adaptation from the books, nor does it follow up the movie, but that honestly was a great decision: to expand on the lore and universe in a unique way rather than retread the same story. I know some would have preferred that it was a 1:1 adaptation of the book (because the book series was AMAZING), but honestly once you get over that, it becomes a genuinely well-written, visually appealing and enjoyable expansion to the Scott Pilgrim lore, that truly feels like the writers nailed the humor, pacing and visual storytelling of both the book and the movie and even the videogame.
Personally, with me having wanted more from the Scott Pilgrim franchise and story, it makes me hope and wish that more people will watch it, give it a chance and rate it highly, so we can get a few more seasons before Netflix inevitably cancels it solely for being another animated project. 😔
allright
good points and all
however
Who's name is on the title? And who did the Adds advert as MC, front and center?
my point being
regardless of how good YOU were able to find the show
the way that Netflix is doing things
this show WILL piss off older fans of the property
and MIGHT just trigger a second wave of nostalgia fueled haters, like with the HeMan (but not really) show did
I’m surprised people are disappointed that we got a new story- we’ve seen the original story through a comic, a game and a movie and this fleshes out all the characters so much more
My problem isn't that it's a new story, my problem is that it's rushed, the premise is flawed and I had zero emotional investment into it compared to the comic.
I knew I would like it but I wasn't expecting it to be as great as it was! This isn't just entertaining, it is VERY well-written!
I honestly loved the show from start to finish, visuals, voice work, animation, references, humor, and even more so the story, it was not what i expected but i welcomed it, while its not a 1 to 1 with the comics, it helps in fleshing itself out more in a way that a regular adaptation would be unable to do so, and would bring a different issue, the classic and usual "source vs adaptation" discourse of "why this was better than the other and you should or not waste your time, etc", and instead, gives us a complemetary work that serves to expand more on an already stablished world, if someone writes it off as "unfaithful, false marketing", pal, let me tell you, you are being delusional and havent gone past episode 1
PS. Wallace fucking rules baby
totally true & wallace is king
I loved the idea and the concept of this series much more than the actual show. Looking forward to where a Season 2 would go.
You can imagine all the air punching after watching this show that's not in fact about Scott Pilgrim at all. Put a chic in it. Make it LAME AF.
Ramona isn’t lame though.
@@fulcrum6760 Ya but it's not called Ramona Takes Off.
Great review and that's basically how I feel about the show and Ramona, Also love that Mathew Patel is basically OP. Can we dream at one point of Scott Pilgrim vs Travis Touchdown?
I'm glad that I checked this video out before looking at the series. Let's be clear here, I only casually read the comics, so I'm not glued to their narrative. That said, the danger of a woke feminist story immediately comes to mind. But given Ramona is clearly not perfect herself, I'm willing to actually give this one a chance. I'll poke around and see what I think.
Ha you think a feminist will depict a female as a flawed character.
@@t-wolf8502I didn't say I was sold out the gate! I'm still wary of this rather suspicious change in direction. All I'm doing is giving it a chance, and a cautious one at that. (You point out my concern, hence I didn't give you a down vote.)
Edit: (To be specific, this is not a series I will surprise-watch. Spoilers all the way from start to finish. Either they capture the spirit of the 90s or not, and that's what I'll judge it on. I will also wait to hear about a season 2, and how far this trend continues.)
So I came to my conclusion, and it's not terrible, but ultimately inferior. I still call it okay for what it is, but that doesn't change the fact it's bait and switch.
really hate those unskipable ads that are almost a full minute long and jsut have an annoying repeating few notes of a beat. real irritating.
I really enjoyed it and think the animation and voice acting is great but as a fan of the comic I thought it would be the comic series but with more depth and extra scenes
the author adressed this himself, if you love the comic you can always comeback reading it, but he didnt want to do something repetetive.
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and for me the series added more depth in a way, focusing on Ramona and the evil exes more since we already know Scott well enough in both comic and movie. also Knives had an extension in her development.
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in a big picture, the anime completed scott pilgrim franchise
@@lock664I never did I expecting to be original
@@lock664 I can definitely see that it’s interesting that all 3 versions of Scott pilgrim have different takes on the story and the anime definitely is a love letter to Scott pilgrim fans as a whole
@@lock664issue is never was straightforward about what the project was. The advertisements flat out lie, and he never said this is going to be a what if show with a ned lead character. On top of the he put Scott's name in the show. If it's a different show call it a new name, and tell people the plot, Fiona and cake was up front about what the show was, and people had no issues.
@@dmcoub78 Did you even read the comics? There are lots of times where Scott isnt the main focus, or they make room to flesh out other characters. This is pretty par for the course. Its not a different show. Its a sequel/what if. Where is the butthurt coming from? Cause the trailers didnt reveal the twist up front?
I love that the ad campaign totally made us think they were doing a faithful adaptation just to zag in the opposite direction. But I also like that the original plot still happened just…timey wimey stuff…we were able to see a subversive modernized story, without them completely shiting on the original canon.
Pretty much and it was so hilarious that they tried to make a movie of those events that ended up being a stage musical. It was different, but it was also a bit of a love letter to the original story too.
I havent watched the movie or read the graphic novels, but I gotta say I was genuinely impressed with the show. It felt like watching a literal graphic novel, a beat em up video game and a movie all rolled into one. I got to experience this in a different light than most fans. I remember being hyped for the show knowing nothing about the world of Scott Pilgrim and watching that leaked opening days prior to the shows release got me hooked on it and now I want more. I would be disappointed if Netflix didn't make a second season which by the looks of the post credits, looks like a setup for one, but for now, I'll have to find a way to get my hands on the books and watch the movie.
Scott pilgrim quite literally, took off.
I was extremely upset at the bait and switch that this show was. I was having a good time watching the show and seeing it in a medium that truely lifted the comic from the pages onto my screen. And then they killed Scott off for the rest of the show until the end where they bring in time travel bull crap.
Glad to see the show finally out!
vidéo for simp
At least they didn't pull a full-on Kevin Smith He-Man. Haven't seen it myself, but it seems to be more of a sequel and explores a different side to the story and characters and adds to the lore.
Would've loved to see Nega Scott make an appearance even if only on a cliff hanger
It looks like they will make another series so like Ramona said it's never to late lol
i loved the books and the movie growing up and this twist spin on the universe was a very pleasant surprise! im excited to see what may come of this series and what'll come next ^^
the most impressive aspect was the script's balancing across the entire ensemble cast
it reminds me of how The Sopranos would regularly shift the focus of the storyline away from Tony
almost every named character has a character arc with at least a B-story plotline
the exceptions are maybe Stacey and the Twins, but they were even more sparse in the comics and movie