Toronto Drama!? And Was Lucho Acosta Lucky NOT to Have a PK Called Against Him?
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- Andrew Wiebe is back for another edition of Instant Replay breaking down the most controversial plays from the weekend.
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I really enjoy these segments, but you're all over the place with handballs on this one.
One for DC was basically just like the other two and heâs all âhow can that be a handball?â Like yeesh.
Yeah. Try to get a handle on this.
As expected, no mention of suarezâs multiple offenses vs MTLâĶ Miami can go by a different rulebook and thats okay i guess
I'm still annoyed the week Revs played Miami he didn't review any of the no calls. Miami last defender American Football tackled Nacho Gil and no foul was called. Shoulder in ribs and hands wrapped around the knee. It was fucked and was the players 4th time in 16 minutes bringing Nacho Gil down. The towards the end of the game Miami grabbed Vrioni from behind pulled him to the ground and laid on top of him until a Miami teammate could get the ball. Ref didn't call anything and it lead to a Miami goal.
5:20 You were a lot nicer to Dajome than you are to defenders! I agree but I also am noticing your inconsistency! 2:33 Kessler is also in his natural motion and you agreed handball!
He is a defender there though. It just wasn't a cross in the area. The consistency and definition of what is natural I've given up on.
I feel like Lobzhanidze also hitting it with his arm could cancel it out
Love when the league posts videos weekly telling me that my team, and others across the league, got screwed. Youâd think there would be less clips each week to review if lessons are learned from reviewing these plays.
I think there ARE lessons learned, and that's hopefully the fans learning that officials are human, and with the exception of VAR-able offenses, they are what they are.
stunning missed PK in the cincinatti - crew match
FCC fan here...and I can't disagree. But, this time, it was the other team that got Guido'd!
Yeah, he was just trying to prevent a big play, did not play the ball at all.
At least heâs calling it both ways. If heâs calling it tight enough for that to be a pen, then itâs tight enough to call the foul on Kubo in the buildup to the Crew goal. Ends up 1-2 anyways
I can't stand the back and forth Wiebe will go for defending or disagreeing with shoulder to shoulder contact though. You don't have to play the ball in shoulder to shoulder contact. Acosta is a super short dude so shoulder to shoulder is a bit hard to call with him. I could see it going both ways but I can't stand how dead sure Wiebe is on these. You can't have it both ways. Either require them to play the ball, or all shoulder to shoulder contact is always fine. Same with his definition of handballs. The latter probably not his fault. The league needs better direction on handball rulings.
@@takisback He's really stuck on shoulder to shoulder like a U14 rec coach who heard it once and now thinks it's never a foul if they are shoulder to shoulder. There are a lot of factors including force and actually playing the ball which matter.
Hereâs the problem I have here. Should definitely have been a penalty on Acosta. However 3 weeks ago Klauss BODIES Willy Agada significantly harder and you say itâs a good shoulder to shoulder but Acosta with a shove is not a foul in your eyes? Andrew youâre as consistent as the refs are. It almost feels like part of the new PRO negotiation was that the MLS have to agree with the calls?
You can't seriously compare this Acosta foul with the Klauss call. Lucho tangles his legs with Matan but crucially leaves his feet to do so. Klauss just used his body, the only real problem there is that he wasn't really playing the ball--and neither was Lucho. In fairness Kubo was fouled before the Crew's goal, so it's really just down to the ref letting them play since it's a derby, much like in Mizzou
It's not about the force. It's about the intent to play the ball and where the contact is. Klauss didn't leave his feet and have the most awkward and dumb-looking dive of all time. Lucho left his feet, completely missed the ball and rammed into the crew defender. Clear pk.
Remember he gets paid by MLS and needs to side more with the refs than against. I miss Simon Borg who just didn't give a crap
@@Neumie1541 But also disagree just enough to keep us into it. To be fair most of the time I agree with him after he shows me the replays I can't see live but for some reason he just refuses to critique LAFC and Miami.
@@ravijammalamadaka6029 Those decisions come from his lord Garber. He can't be criticizing Garber's Darlings
if you want the rapids one offside the roldan one should be too
Itâs not clear and obvious that morris is in an offside position (Iâm a Timbers fan)
"I'm not offside, you're offside! This whole page is offside!"
Even if he is offside, Morris is 15 feet ahead of the keeper. Morris takes up 0.01 degrees of his vision
Obviously not taking about the clear penalty not called for Montreal against Miami and that the second goal for Miami should never have happened because AR decided to award a corner instead of a clear offside on Suarez. I would say should have let him score so they could have called it back for offside...but then again, its Miami, so it would not have been clear and obvious
What about the first goal for Montreal clear offsideð
@@lorez1n Certainly not clear. Using the grass lines on the field it is extremely close. Way too close for VAR to recommend review.
What penalty?? I don't remember. In the 2n goal I think that you are correct
@@victorpascual8511 On ChoiniÃĻre in the 30th minute
Honest question, why wouldnt var even seriously review the crew cinci penalty? Seems like a clear and obvious error to me or at least from ghe refs eyes a possible one
But Acosta is one of Garber's Darlings, so he can't be capable of committing a foul in the box
Weibe as inconsistent as PRO
dude is just suckin off the league to keep his job at this point
MLS. Apple TV. Why is weibe used for the majority of content? Weibe is overexposed. Iâm sure heâs a good guy but I just have never liked his loud, Forceful style. But seriously, what is wrong with you guys? Why are you putting him on everything? Heâs everywhere on Apple TV heâs everywhere on MLS videos. He does this video. He was doing extra time podcast until you suddenly seemingly canceled it. why is David Goss not the host of instant replay?and frankly the weibe and Doyle pairing on extra time was really nice. Why is it gone? Oh I bet I know weibe is kind of busy huh? Weibe Is this your choice or are they just making you do it? Anyway, for what itâs worth I donât approve!
Goss left
@@tibebe6571 It's Gass, not Goss, and he didn't leave by choice. That's clear from his final episode.
@@pcoccoli ok why did he leave then? Gass also is leaving his segment on TSS and that has no connection to Apple
You guys need to get a better mic for these.
MLS discipline committee recommends following suspensions for Toronto & NYCFC:
- Richie Laryea TFC, 3 games
- Prince Owusu TFC, 2
- Strahinja TanasijeviÄ NYC, 2
- Sean Johnson TFC, 1
- John Herdman TFC, 1
Donât show enough, feel like these need to be longerâĶ
Sean Johnson is fighting after the game? ðĪĢ You should be apologizing to your teammates.
Wow, Wiebe. Get your eyes checked on the Morris offside in Portland. The lines on the field show pretty clearly he was still in an offside position when the ball was kicked.
I also think the Seattle player is blocking the goal tenders view of the ball, which should result in the offsides call, according to the rules, an offside player can not interfere with the goaltender.
But he wasn't offside. Crepeau would have actually saved that shot if his own player (standing beside Morris, not behind him) had not deflected it. So Morris not only didn't block the goalie's vision on the original shot, but he *definitely* didn't block his view of the deflection. VAR, with multiple angles at their disposal, checked it thoroughly (Chapman held the kickoff for the check) and called it a good goal.
@@rockinmel1 The replay during the game showed there was no deflection, so Iâm not sure what youâre talking about. The view from the goal shows that the ball passes close to Morris and a couple feet away from the only Timbers player it could have deflected off of, Kamal Miller (4).
@@DukeTrout You mean you're not sure what everyone was talking about. Everyone agreed the ball had movement across the box and you can see it in the replays, maybe it was spin + turf, but Crepeau had it tracked until he didn't, and the ball went from heading right down the middle to suddenly going into the corner.
@@rockinmel1So, wait a second. You admit that Morris was both in an offside position and that he screened Crepeauâs view of the initial shot? Then thatâs all thatâs required for offside. Everything after doesnât matter because as soon as that happens, the ball should be whistled dead. It doesnât matter if it deflects, the offside offense already occurred. Check the Laws, dude.
I have never seen a referee signal more players to get up or make the "dive" gesture more times than Allen Chapman did in Portland. Weirdly, the match never got dangerous, which might be due to those signals - when a ref just ignores those incidents they seem to indicate to players that they can go a little further next time, but in effectively showing that he DID see them, he kept the match in check.
It got a little heated with Nouhou and Mosquera in the 55th minute. Chapman showed yellow to Nouhou which I thought was a bit unfair. I felt like a yellow to both would have made more sense.
Overall, I feel like Chapman let way too many fouls go in this game for both teams. I think the match stayed in check only because it was never more than a one goal lead and both teams really needed this win. If the lead ever extended to two or three goals, I think things would have gotten out of hand quickly.
The missed yellow there was Jordan Morris, who instigated the bad feelings there. He grabbed and shoved Mosquera before the Nouhou-Mosquera conflict.
@@DukeTrout I wouldn't say "missed." It happened right in front of the fourth official. There are "afters" in every match, and there's going to be either one card to the player whose behavior "stands out" the most or one to a player from each club. Ref doesn't go around handing out cards to everyone who has a grab or shove.
honestly I'm surprised it didn't get dangerous. We go into these matches expecting a lot of contact, possibly for someone from one or both teams to get a red card (can you say red card wedding lol), or for something bad to happen. We'll see what happens in the next match.
â@@wolffriendinus The issue with the "Red Card Wedding" match was a USL center ref that was far over his head in an MLS derby match situation. Daniel Radford never did get a job as a CR in MLS, and made a few highly-publicized mistakes as a VAR official before moving to management in US youth soccer this year (the Dilbert Principle at work). On the other hand, Allen Chapman is generally good at managing a tough match (although not so good at making sure shootout rules are properly enforced...)
The fight on Toronto vs NYCFC was the fight you mostly can get in European League. Humans are not robots, and fights like this can occur.
unlucky whoop whoop whoop
If thatâs a penalty at Hell is Real then Crewâs goal gets chalked off and it ends up 1-2 anyways, crew player absolutely bowls over Kubo to win the ball in the buildup to the goal
Call it a foul or call it not, at least Guido was calling it both ways
It's a derby, let em play! Esp after the El Trafico fiasco
No way! Kevin Cabral got ran into! Thatâs the defenders fault not Cabrals!!! Thatâs crazy!
It's also not Cabral's fault that the SJ defender is made of wet tissue paper and crumples at the slightest touch.
Such a BS call.
They called offside, not a foul.
@@Fireballof3 Whether the defender fell to the ground with a broken arm or he stayed on his feet and was just slowed by Cabral's position it is still offside by the book.
exactly, he got ran into in purpose
How a defender can be that weak and go down so easy at this level is beyond me. It's like when a player acts like he got shot in the back looking for the call, then doesn't get it and gets up and sprints and scores a goal
Love having female refs, just like my mom used to, she saw everything I did even behind her back.
Do the other missed calls from Hell is Real. Especially the one that led to a goal for Columbus. That ref was horrible
Lol thinking the first one is offsides. He didnt flop until a few seconds after so no, he did not impede the defender
Yeah. I think they let him go. Their loss. Loved Goss. I wonder where heâs headed.
Harriel was already going down, Angulo's arm doesn't ever extend, therefore there is no force, he touched him but did not push him, that is a dive.
Dude you made so many mistakes in this one.
1) The handball that is supposedly stopping a centering ball is NO HANDBALL. The arm is there in a NATURAL POSITION while running. So no PK.
Then, you used this argument @5:20 for a no-call. LOL
It is a no-call in BOTH cases.
2) As for that big lob pass and the offside given, again, no. It was a perfect goal. No offside. The defender was NOT moving towards the ball, he was tens of meters away, with no chance of playing the ball, the collision was intentional and ultra fake, the defender fell down like a snowflake all while he had so much time to go around the attacker and the attacker wasn't even blocking him. Sorry, it's a good goal.
3) The supposed offside with the player being in the line of sight of the GoalKeeper. Even in this camera angle, the attacker is CLEARLY offside. Though, he is far away from the keeper, so this is not an offside call. He is CLEARLY in an offside position but also literally 15 meters away, so it is still a goal.
This wasn't a good day for you, mate!
completely agree, it seems every week andrews takes just get worse and worse an it feels like hes just sucking the league off at this point
They called an offside not a foul lol. If a handball happens and it was not called by the ref and the players pass the ball back it wouldnât be called a handball. Youâre criticizing him but in my respectful opinion youâre incorrect
@Gamercatsus
I know what they whistled. I wrote that the fall was exaggerated not to imply it was a whistle for a foul, but to say that it was intentional by the defender to get an offside call. It was flopping.
As for the handball, it still is a natural motion. You run and your arms move in front of your body. Also, it is very close to the ball. No PK.
Saying this as an actual referee, BTW.
@@4400seriesFAN I can understand the one with the defender but for the handball one he was running with his arms super high which is unnatural but the offense did pass it back so the handball didnât really affect the game
@Gamercatsus
I think we are talking about different plays. I am talking about the one with the PK. The one that the attacker tried to center the ball in the penalty box.
Why is it Cabral's responsibility to move out of the way of the defender? In my opinion, the defender had his head turned, wasn't looking, and they mutually collided.
this never would of happened if one of the teams was relegated or promoted
It's his responsibility to not interfere with play while being in an offside position. If he was not offside, which is what was called, then it would have been different.
leave it to MLS to have PRO refs but no REL refs
Of course you think all the calls that went against Orlando were the right calls
Never mind that he was correct on those and quite frankly some of the easiest to analyze shown.
Acosta getting away with that foul is disgraceful to the MLS. You have reviewâĶ why do plays like that have no check?
They missed a call on the foul on Kubo in the box, so it's consistent
Major league soccer is a joke ð
yeah dont show the clear penalty montreal Choiniere wasnt awarded cause it was miami that fooled... cant expose how bias the league and refs are for miamis pink clown show
Tori Penso is the worst ref in the league button
Unkel is the Angel Hernandez of PRO