@@GNMbg We need a broadcast camera dedicated to the goal line then. How are extra cameras too expensive for the 10th highest league in the WORLD by revenue?
Okay but natural position is not always in front of your chest or stomach. When you're falling/sliding, the natural position is going to be stretched out. Classic engineer vs. mechanic situation.
I am sooooo tired of hearing Wiebe say "without a smoking gun angle" on these videos. You are a major sports league, you can't let goals be decided like this anymore, the other top leagues have moved on to the 21st century.
It’s a good thing the ATL goal didn’t matter too much in the long run, could’ve been a very different playoff picture for Miami if they had kept it close.
Busquets foul is obvious from the behind the goal angle. That little twist of his hips is intentional to block the path of the runner. Did the Atlanta player dive? The rulebook doesn't care. Foul is a foul.
Everyone acting shocked that MLS doesn't have goal line tech needs to calm down. There are a grand total of 7 domestic leagues in the world that currently use goal line tech. I'm also not sure they're going to want to implement it for the league until NYCFC gets their stadium built. Unless you want them to only use Red Bull Arena for home games when they can't use Yankee stadium. Cause I'm pretty sure no one wants to pay the set up costs for a stadium for just one game.
Boy, “unnatural position” is doing a lot of work here, both for Abram and the DC defender. Having arms outstretched for balance while turning, sliding, running, challenging is perfectly natural. This interpretation of the law actually causes players to play with their arms in unnatural positions (tucked in, behind the back, etc.) and creates an undue burden on the defenders to AVOID their arms being hit, never an intention of the rule.
Exactly. Like how are people supposed to stay balanced and upright if theyre arms are behind their back. it makes it way more difficult. and every other play has their arms out to their side why does it only matter if its in the 18
Plus Pines (the DCU defender) there is turning and the ball deflects off his foot into his arm. His arm is in a natural position from turning his body and has no time to react to the deflection off his foot. That's ball to hand, not hand to ball. Admittedly, I'm a DCU fan, but that'd be really rough to any defender if that was given as a penalty.
Allowing the late goal against SKC is both a poor defensive lapse and something that never would have happened if the right call had been made. Very well may have cost us 3 points in a tight WC playoff race. Unacceptable all around.
Busquets - Foul. Beaten. Lunged sideways, put his hip and knee in the path of the ball player. It's contact, it's a trip, it's a hip check, it's stopping the attacker from having a chance to get the ball. Period. Have to trust that the AR was on the goal line and made the right call there on that Muyamba goal, but MLS doesn't have goal line cams for some reason. SKC foul was a tactical one. Player smartly just pulled him back slightly enough to ruin his run.. it's a foul. Choiniere on Kamara, he jumped two footed, and landed on the ankle. Got to be a red.
Choiniere was given a yellow and rightfully so. He didn’t intend to hurt kamara. He wanted to play that ball but wasn’t quick enough and landed on kamara’s ankle. Plus, the game was still early, its pretty rare to see a red card so soon unless it’s not a blatant one.
I feel the same way. He was clearly pulling off the challenge. If he had stepped through that there would have been serious damage. Contact is going to happen when challenging 50/50 balls. A red card when there is clearly no intent is unacceptable in this situation.
Wiebe, how do you consistently call these players throwing their body in front of the ball being in an unnatural position? What's unnatural is trying to make athletic plays with your arms tucked in. Quit trying to say that any time an arm is away from the body it's "unnatural."
He appears to have a straight line view of it. It's pretty easy to see with slow motion Real time it was pretty fast and was a close deflection. Combining those two things makes it more difficult.
Look from 2:0-2:06 (in HD & bigger screen is better), the ball's shadow glided through the white line at the center, most likely not crossed the goal line
That Atlanta goal should not have stood, it’s hard to determine at first sight but upon further inspection you can clearly see between 2:03and 2:06 that the ball still retains some part of itself IN the line, not outside the line or in the goal, so it’s since it’s not completely past the line I don’t believe it should count Furthermore, that Busquets foul could count as a yellow card depending on the ref because intentional or not he did put his leg there which may have caused a player injury in the worst case scenario And lastly, it’s pretty clear to say that handball by Luis Abram was undebatable and a clear-cut handball, there’s been far more questionable handballs made unintentionally that still got counted so I don’t see why this one should be any different and not get called out
2:00 If you slow it down, and you can clearly see the shadow of the ball on the white line as its moving from the post to the keeper, ball did cross abit, but half of the ball was still on the line. Wrong call.
Oh man, come on Weibe… you were on point until the red card for choiniere. That is not excessive force or you would have called red on most of the plays you review. He was late and did not consider the safety of his opponent but not excessive. Also, that pull was weak but plenty to stop his advantage and allow the defender the time he needed to get ahead of reynoso. That one is absolutely a yellow. No argument at all for not giving that call. Refs screwed up. And I hate MIN. I want to see them miss the playoffs. So I’m glad SKC beat them.
Please, someone tell me what's the definition of "natural or un-natural". When you or jump your farms legs are naturally going away from the body. Am I wrong?
@@GNMbg A total of 5 countries (7 leagues) in the entire world have it. England (Premier and EFL Championship) France (Ligue 1) Germany (Bundesliga) Italy (Serie A & B) Netherlands (Eredivisie) NO LaLiga. No Saudi who has unlimited money.
Really doesnt look to have crossed the line... atlanta had more goal that probably shouldnt have been... miami still would have lost 3-2, but that's a much more accurate scoreline
That was not a foul by Busquets. If anything, a yellow should be given to atlanta for simulation. Also, 2 goals in the matter of games that need goal line tech, where is it?
I'd love to see the angle that leads you to believe that. The ones provided here are completely inconclusive leaving us to trust the AR doing his job. And, you're funny. If this happened and that happened then Miami maybe could have won. Yup. That's pretty much every game in the world. If the the defense had just not let those goals in or especially if they hadn't scored on themselves....come on!
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It's almost like the MLS should have goal line technology or something 🤣
too expensive, not worth it for the clubs
@@GNMbg We need a broadcast camera dedicated to the goal line then. How are extra cameras too expensive for the 10th highest league in the WORLD by revenue?
Not even laliga gyats that
they cant even get an obvious foul in the box right lmao
How is it possible to NOT have a view directly down the line of the goal?!?!?!
FR put a few fkin go pros in the woodwork
Or, even better yet, directly above the goal.
Okay but natural position is not always in front of your chest or stomach. When you're falling/sliding, the natural position is going to be stretched out. Classic engineer vs. mechanic situation.
It's never a natural position.
I mean in front of your chest or stomach is never a natural position.
I am sooooo tired of hearing Wiebe say "without a smoking gun angle" on these videos. You are a major sports league, you can't let goals be decided like this anymore, the other top leagues have moved on to the 21st century.
It’s a good thing the ATL goal didn’t matter too much in the long run, could’ve been a very different playoff picture for Miami if they had kept it close.
Busquets foul should've been a penalty and a yellow
Busquets foul is obvious from the behind the goal angle. That little twist of his hips is intentional to block the path of the runner. Did the Atlanta player dive? The rulebook doesn't care. Foul is a foul.
As I said, I agree. I also just try to imagine why the call wasn't sent down for review.
@@andrewwiebe9402Sorry, didn't mean to seem like I was debating the video. I just came from the game and was fired up for the comments lol
Everyone acting shocked that MLS doesn't have goal line tech needs to calm down. There are a grand total of 7 domestic leagues in the world that currently use goal line tech.
I'm also not sure they're going to want to implement it for the league until NYCFC gets their stadium built. Unless you want them to only use Red Bull Arena for home games when they can't use Yankee stadium. Cause I'm pretty sure no one wants to pay the set up costs for a stadium for just one game.
Then can afford Messi but not goal line technology?
Boy, “unnatural position” is doing a lot of work here, both for Abram and the DC defender. Having arms outstretched for balance while turning, sliding, running, challenging is perfectly natural. This interpretation of the law actually causes players to play with their arms in unnatural positions (tucked in, behind the back, etc.) and creates an undue burden on the defenders to AVOID their arms being hit, never an intention of the rule.
Exactly. Like how are people supposed to stay balanced and upright if theyre arms are behind their back. it makes it way more difficult. and every other play has their arms out to their side why does it only matter if its in the 18
Plus Pines (the DCU defender) there is turning and the ball deflects off his foot into his arm. His arm is in a natural position from turning his body and has no time to react to the deflection off his foot. That's ball to hand, not hand to ball. Admittedly, I'm a DCU fan, but that'd be really rough to any defender if that was given as a penalty.
They don't understand . They think a natural position is arms down by sides. Disappointing review.
Allowing the late goal against SKC is both a poor defensive lapse and something that never would have happened if the right call had been made. Very well may have cost us 3 points in a tight WC playoff race. Unacceptable all around.
Busquets - Foul. Beaten. Lunged sideways, put his hip and knee in the path of the ball player. It's contact, it's a trip, it's a hip check, it's stopping the attacker from having a chance to get the ball. Period.
Have to trust that the AR was on the goal line and made the right call there on that Muyamba goal, but MLS doesn't have goal line cams for some reason.
SKC foul was a tactical one. Player smartly just pulled him back slightly enough to ruin his run.. it's a foul.
Choiniere on Kamara, he jumped two footed, and landed on the ankle. Got to be a red.
No handball from chicago?!??
Maybe invest on some new extra cameras around the goal that way your not stuck in the same situation as Saturday afternoon
Cannot believe the No-pen call in the NY v NY game. Smh
Choiniere was given a yellow and rightfully so. He didn’t intend to hurt kamara. He wanted to play that ball but wasn’t quick enough and landed on kamara’s ankle. Plus, the game was still early, its pretty rare to see a red card so soon unless it’s not a blatant one.
I feel the same way. He was clearly pulling off the challenge. If he had stepped through that there would have been serious damage. Contact is going to happen when challenging 50/50 balls. A red card when there is clearly no intent is unacceptable in this situation.
Per Messi’s contract, he or any of his pals are not allowed to be the cause of any penalty
Just like Atlanta player contract has no red card for cresmachi foul😅😅😅first Atlanta goal is biggest robbery i have ever seen
then you must not have seen the Busquets non-PK call
No goal line technology is criminal
Goal line technology is incredibly expensive, and I'm sure as MLS continues to grow, we'll get it as the league has more money available
@@mcnoobie_ at least have a camera pointing down the goal line though like cmon?
@@EvieWillNotDie yea I'm not entirely sure why they don't have them
So you're calling LaLiga criminal?
@@MrCho14 apparently yes
LOVE these videos y'all! Keep going with them🙂 Helps me ref irl
Even saudi league has goal line technology. Have SOME SHAME MLS
I mean idk what Saudi league has to do with MLS, but they should definitely get goal line technology
Chicago handball in the box vs CF Montreal ????
Charlotte was a hand ball we should have got the pen thank you
Went in after it hit post
Wait, MLS doesn't have goal line technology?? ...
LaLiga doesn't feel the need for it either.
As a messi fan, some things are just a Inter Miami bonus ngl...
Wiebe, how do you consistently call these players throwing their body in front of the ball being in an unnatural position? What's unnatural is trying to make athletic plays with your arms tucked in. Quit trying to say that any time an arm is away from the body it's "unnatural."
Great comment. Where's their common sense? Is there no way you can debate it with them?
For Charlotte Fc game, I can't belive that the ref could not see the handball!
It was a clear and obvious handball...
Let's Go Charlotte Fc !
He appears to have a straight line view of it. It's pretty easy to see with slow motion Real time it was pretty fast and was a close deflection. Combining those two things makes it more difficult.
That's why Inter Miami got into this position. Those players are so insufficient.
The ball touches chest first.
If that's not Busquets/Fort Lauderdale the pen gets given. He is given way too much leeway constantly.
Good to know var is useless in other leagues too
Look from 2:0-2:06 (in HD & bigger screen is better), the ball's shadow glided through the white line at the center, most likely not crossed the goal line
Respect, Technologi'VAR..😊🤗😁👍,..
Yet another reason for goal line cameras.
This post was made by an Austin FC fan.
MLS should just get the goal-line technology quick.....
And I should just get that house in Malibu quick...
MLS can’t afford a GoPro cam on each post?
That Atlanta goal should not have stood, it’s hard to determine at first sight but upon further inspection you can clearly see between 2:03and 2:06 that the ball still retains some part of itself IN the line, not outside the line or in the goal, so it’s since it’s not completely past the line I don’t believe it should count
Furthermore, that Busquets foul could count as a yellow card depending on the ref because intentional or not he did put his leg there which may have caused a player injury in the worst case scenario
And lastly, it’s pretty clear to say that handball by Luis Abram was undebatable and a clear-cut handball, there’s been far more questionable handballs made unintentionally that still got counted so I don’t see why this one should be any different and not get called out
The angles are 100% useless. I trust the AR who was positioned on the line doing his job.
23 that's a clear penalty.
Again, completely ignoring an obvious missed call against Montreal. That Czichos handball non-call was a clear penalty.
Kerala❤️🔥
The @NeRevs need Messi.
Where's Messi?
He didn't play because he didn't want to play on the turf
Too much of a cry baby to play on turf.
You forgot Atlanta's clear offside "goal". Worst call I've seen this season!
2:00 If you slow it down, and you can clearly see the shadow of the ball on the white line as its moving from the post to
the keeper, ball did cross abit, but half of the ball was still on the line. Wrong call.
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Wasn’t goal like technology invented a long time ago? Why doesn’t the league have it?
Why doesn't LaLiga have it? Only 7 leagues in the world actually use it.
Oh man, come on Weibe… you were on point until the red card for choiniere. That is not excessive force or you would have called red on most of the plays you review. He was late and did not consider the safety of his opponent but not excessive. Also, that pull was weak but plenty to stop his advantage and allow the defender the time he needed to get ahead of reynoso. That one is absolutely a yellow. No argument at all for not giving that call. Refs screwed up. And I hate MIN. I want to see them miss the playoffs. So I’m glad SKC beat them.
You insane if you think that wasn't a red card. CLEARLY excessive force. Jumping with two feet at speed and lunging studs up into ankle.
Please, someone tell me what's the definition of "natural or un-natural". When you or jump your farms legs are naturally going away from the body. Am I wrong?
Not according to these fellas. They haven't a clue. I hope they see these sensible comments.
The MLS needs the goal line technology like the Premier League.
"like the Premier League" as if the other top European leagues dont have it haha
@@GNMbg A total of 5 countries (7 leagues) in the entire world have it.
England (Premier and EFL Championship)
France (Ligue 1)
Germany (Bundesliga)
Italy (Serie A & B)
Netherlands (Eredivisie)
NO LaLiga. No Saudi who has unlimited money.
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The Reynoso flop definitely wasnt anything. Just a flop
still can't wrap your arm around him. should have been called
If someone sells a foul too much, that means the foul didn't happen? He wrapped both arms around him after he got beat, that's a foul.
Giakoumakis's 4th goal on to Inter Miami was clearly offside.
Atlanta first goal is a clear robbery i have ever seen if this is a premiere leagues that was no goal
Really doesnt look to have crossed the line... atlanta had more goal that probably shouldnt have been... miami still would have lost 3-2, but that's a much more accurate scoreline
4-2 but ok
4-2 but ok
It went in plus the pk so 6-2
That was not a foul by Busquets. If anything, a yellow should be given to atlanta for simulation. Also, 2 goals in the matter of games that need goal line tech, where is it?
Ball def did not cross, and with the own goal, Miami could of won this match.
I'd love to see the angle that leads you to believe that. The ones provided here are completely inconclusive leaving us to trust the AR doing his job.
And, you're funny. If this happened and that happened then Miami maybe could have won. Yup. That's pretty much every game in the world. If the the defense had just not let those goals in or especially if they hadn't scored on themselves....come on!
Back to the boat Mr Cho@@MrCho14
Thats not a pen because he ran into busquets instead of following the ball. Eyes people, use em :)
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Just cause you care doesnt mean others dont. And its to the others that he is speaking.
@@accesscrimea got that the wrong way round, apebrain
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@@GNMbg "republican" 💀
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