Peopling the New World with Dr. Charles Speer 9.30.2021
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- “The Peopling the New World,” a talk by Idaho State University ecological anthropology professor Dr. Charles Speer, looks at current research about the arrival of the earliest peoples in the New World and the exciting roles played by sites in Idaho and New Mexico.
came across this due to my feed preferences. What a wonderful presentation. I downloaded the presentation. I was wondering if anyone had identified the use of color as a directional indicator in rock art? Thanks for your information.
Very informative; alot of facts CONNECTED.
JON in Pennsylvania
I am Heiltsuk and Nu7lhalk and a recent dig proves that we Heiltsuk (hey-sook) were here 15000 years ago. I believe that the Simon Fraser university and University of Victoria were involved in the dig.
We have stories of a great flood a whale rescued us, plus we had to outrun the last ice age or be frozen instantly. In what is now Alberta Canada they found a human footprint inside a dinosaur footprint. Both in North and South America there are pictographs of horses, sabertooth, mammoths and other extinct species. We wouldn't have drawn them if we Turtle Islanders hadn't seen them.
I heard about the drawings in the south and the drawings of the aircraft's, someone recently made model of one craft and it flew. Toe that model looks like the space shuttles.
If you were t there, then it’s not “we”, it’s they.
I think Asians and native Americans if they were connected were separated by the glaciation at the end of the last glacial minimum. They were here before the ice age, not related to ice age Asian people
@@Sixrabbbit my first boss was Chinese and he told me that we Indians are the Asian ancestors, and that we followed the big game across the land bridge westward in to Eurasia
Thank you. Great human science overview
Maybe I missed this but why couldn’t they have boated over? In the sixth century a Chinese Buddhist enterprise clearly describes mid Mexico
and never lost sight of land on the way over for more than three days, likely Barents Sea route. Thank you for this interesting presentation
Thank you
Thanks for this
Very informative, thank you . The old paradigm has changed after finding Footprints 23,000 BP, in New Mexico last year. Ice Free Corridor wasn't opened up at that era yet, then it seems to be coastal migration by boat along Kelp Highway of north Pacific ocean. Moreover, it wasn't "Express" migration from North America to the South. It seems to have moved step by step as normal pace and it took 70- 85 hundreds of years. It indicates that Asians started migration from the point, more than 30,000 years before to Beringia, whether it was in Siberia or in Hokkaido Japan. Ancestor, Proto Japanese "Sojin" since 35-30,000 BP in Hokkaido, had crossed 20km sea to the Tokyo islands for collecting obsidian by boat since 38,000 BP. So, descendants in Hokkaido could have migrated in coastal route. First Americans started from east freezing Siberia or along cold seashore connecting with sea of Hawaii 30,000 BP years before. Anyway now, the First Americans weren't mammoth hunters. A researcher Ryuzo Torii(WWⅠ era) , Tokyo Imperial University, paid attention to Routon tribe in northern Kuril islands and native Onkilon in Cukotskij sea shore tribe, in west Beringia. sunda-wind.net
When you take a closer look you realize these guys haven't got a clue as to how or when people first arrived in the Americas and is merely speculation on their parts.What's it called the Cerruti mammoth? in California 130,000 yrs ago.
What in the world are you talking about?
I think I learned more for reading your comments than I did from the lecture. I did see the white sands research. Very exciting.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
This field of study is obviously very much tainted by the Semmelweis Reflex as well as woke-ism. There is so much evidence that Solutrean man from Europe was present in North America prior to the Younger Dryas climate change. It is vital that science be objective and fact based; any other approach is anarchy and chaos. We are already living in a world in which "science" is simply not credible.
@@lh1822 are you truly curious or just being a passive aggressive troll?
Wonderful and broad view, some new info and new theory.
Great talk! Learned a lot. Fantastic update on a very interesting theme. Thanks. Quuck questuon David, what do you think about the relatively recent finding of a very old skeleton in now inundated coastal caves of the Yucatán peninsula?
No mention of Meadowcroft Rockshelter?
Thank you! This is such an excellent overview. One of the best on youtube. As a retired teacher, I applaud you and your team for creating all the visuallly detailed slides, and your relaxed interactive presentation.
Looking at the scene at the end of the presentation I'm asking myself how I would approach that situation if I were a primitive hunter. It seems obvious that a fire would push those cats off the carcass in a hurry. I can imagine using fire for alot of hunting applications. Surely that was common..
The Inuit did not need an ice free corridor to migrate. They did not require a coastal migration path either. Why then is it a requirement for migration at an earlier time to avoid the ice? I believe the paradigms are many and can fall under pressure from basic logic. Admusen proved their technology in the face of the paradigms in his time.
Sapiens is a great book.
Thank you , I knew there was evidence of older Humans .
Big question I have center's around the solutrian hyp. With many incursions from the West coast, we've seem to have forgotten eastern migrations simply because some people decided they came through a Ice free corridor and we're Clovis period. I do think it's a matter of time but eventually we will see incursions from All area's.
PS, I live in Washington and come from Oregon and having ran over every peice I could for 50+ year's, understanding what must have happened at and around the younger Drias, it's not to be expected to find much of anything it's buried 100's of feet, or blown out the Columbia River to who knows where. Our natives know much about this subject and should be asked. Much history here and there were survivor's who told the tale. Frankly the entire Pacific rim people's stories are based on fact. I've noticed that different from politicians, our native American brothers don't understand liying and for Darn sure don't tell these stories for anything other than teaching and expressing it's importance for and to the next generation
Same same in new Zealand. Old stuff gets hushed up.
Have all the continents been separated as much as today and how would those distances have changed migrations, etc?
continental drift happens very slowly - there wouldn't have much of a change in distances between now and the archaic human migrations - much less modern humans - a bigger effect was the ice age sea level change
Did they not find a Hearth on a island off the coast of Washington DC dateing back 50000 yrs?
Washington State
Great, thank you, very well done in such a short time period. I just picked up David Meltzer 2nd addition that came out this past winter, and i'm anxious to read it. I focus thoughts around how attractive the northern great basin lakes may have been to first peoples passing that far inland. While most family and friends bird watch around these reman at lakes, especially Warner Lake and Hart Mountain upland, I spend my time trying to visualize 20KA there. Your talk sparks further questions right away, especially the evocative last painting of dangers approaching a kill site, and how important it would be to a small band of first peoples to be safe enough in all they do to avoid loss of life or physical ability in any one person in the band, for the viability of that band. Thanks again, I hope to speak a bit with you sometime.
Are people aware how sharp obsidian can be????
We accept that ancient Australians crossed miles and miles of open ocean to get to the continent. How hard would it have been for folks to come to America the same way? The Vikings made to Iceland and Newfoundland. They weren’t that much more advanced.
good morning.....i humbly ask.....do you know how stone tools were made....
It requires minerals that have a specific crystal structure so that when broken, they tend to cleave away in sharp edges. This is somewhat like broken glass. The edge of the rock is smacked with another rock in a specific manner to work the edges very sharp. some minerals used are flint and obsidian. I once cleaved a flint rock, pressed it against my thumb and actually sliced it fairly easily (I wasn't expecting it to cut me, it was that sharp)
Look up "flint knapping"
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A single clovis point from an atlatl through the rib cage into the lungs would cause that elephant to eventually suffocate.
“Experimental Use of Clovis Weaponry and Tools on African Elephants
Extensive culling of elephants in Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe provided the necessary animals to test replicas of Clovis tools and weaponry. The experiments leave little doubt that Clovis projectile points can inflict lethal wounds on African elephants and that simple stone tools will perform the necessary butchering tasks. The physiology of mammoths and elephants is similar enough to make positive statements on the potential of this kind of stone-tool and weaponry assemblage, but we will never be able to compare elephant and mammoth behavior directly.” … “after two poor throws, one penetrated the rib cage just behind the shoulder, continued deep into the lung cavity, and, in the case of a live animal, would probably have been lethal within a relatively short time.” … “penetration was to the distal end of the mainshaft and into the lung cavity, producing a potentially lethal wound. At this point, the animal dropped on all fours (Figure 6).” … “Several throws were made at the second animal, which was a juvenile female, using each of the four remaining foreshafts, and each one successfully penetrated into the rib cage. One quartzite projectile point snapped just distal to the sinew binding (Figure 9), but it still continued into the rib cavity and produced a wound of lethal quality.”
My guess, the mammoth hunt could well start with one good dart penetration. One guy.
These people could read tracks and trails like their lives depended on it.
Probably knew through handed down experience where kill areas were to aim for.
Probably knew what it meant to the chances of success where ever the dart struck.
10 hunters go out in ones and twos. Meet up at mid day and evening until someone 1. Doesn't show or 2. Says I got one bleeding.
That's how hunting camps work to this day.
I suspect these animals had little fear of man. (Until it was too late)
Great talk, thank you. I have a concern. I really believe in include Native Americans in the research and excavations of sites. I also know that N.A. cultures have a different belief on ancestry than Europian cultures. However, I think it is very limiting to state that sites aged 13,000, or 16,000 (or older or younger) are ancesters of the local N.A. culture. We know these ancient peoples travel, a lot, as the normal course of surviving in the new land. For example in England there are sites that are pre-ice ages, where the people came in, stayed awhile, and then left as the ice moved over the land. When the ice left, (very likely) new people moved in. Even after the ice age(s), this flow of people moving in and out of England happend until England was finally turned into an island about 6,000 years ago (and even after that). The same had to be happening in the Americas, otherwise there would only be sites along the Northern West Coast, and nothing out East, nor into South America, nor in the interiors of these large continents. Since we do, then not all sites are ancestral to the local N.A. group. Probably most are not.
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If I'm not mistaken, human coprolites (preserved fecal matter) from the pre-clovis site of the Paisley Caves in Oregon genetically coincide with known Pleistocene Paleo-American DNA haplogroups, along with other artifacts also found in common to other pre-clovis archeological sites. With the known anthropological, archeological and genomic records the hard data it's a safe assumption that those responsible to these places are within the same genetic compilation of every other Indigenous American markers.
But hey, who's to say there weren't extremely small and isolated events that had taken place in the pre-Columbian, pre-Viking or the broadly distant past of various other Eurasian, Oceanic, or African peoples who may have found their way to the Americas and just didn't leave a genetic or material legacy? Infact, I believe it's been confirmed Australo-Melanesian genetic markers have been found in various tribes in the Amazon basin but beyond that, most I think would agree it's possible but not extremely probable. And until hard evidence presents itself for such events having taken place in prehistory, we'll never know and therefore can only speculate.
@@pseudoname3159 Good point
@@historybuff7491 Hey, here's what I thought was an extremely interesting discussion by the lead archeologist about he and his team's finds at the Paisley Caves in Oregon. You might find it interesting, when you have some time.
th-cam.com/video/ZfWuIkmYIQ8/w-d-xo.html
Why would the presence of human archeological sites in the eastern portions of the N.A. continent necessitate that those sites were created by people who had migrated from the east/modern day Europe? Surely it’s possible, but does their presence prove they migrated from the east? That seems like a logical leap to me. How long would it take to spread across the N.A. continent once in N.A.? The Lewis & Clark expedition only took 2.5 years. All this said, people definitely COULD have come from the East in some number. I don’t think the presenter says that that isn’t possible, just less likely than their theory. Lots of things are theoretically possible.
P.S.If you study european monarchs or even roman goverment.You will find that the christian doctrine.Is always adopted by the ruleing-powers.As a state/ruleing monarchy's Authorised Sponsored religion...Im just saying it's always seemed like a red flag to me.
I get how people can get sensitive about calling different religions myths. Odds are ours are too. It’s called syncretism.
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You know now they say all native americans.Came from just a few/small tribal Siberian oriental people's.But this (like the bible)iv always found more than a !"little"!unbelievable(common-sense).It seems to me.And it mite sound crazy.But mainstream science seems to be somewhat covertly christian influenced.
EDIT:After watching more or this video.It seems like the video.Is kind of saying the same thing as well.
@r3d_aN@rX!$t I think you stated the nature of your own condition.
The thing is, they did not know they were moving into a New World just like they could see the International Dateline. Of course it was drawn there yet.
Who actually drew that by the way? And when you travel through Beringia, you wrap around east and west. Between those two islands, everything to the east is the Far West. Everything to the west is the Far East.
I viewed a You Tube vid of a single pygmy killing a forest elephant with a spear. This man is off the mark in many places here. These are dart points used with atlatls not spears.
true, thats why they call themselves scientists. How many people mistake atlatl darts for arrowheads and spearpoints that are actually knives..
@@westho7314 an atlatl dart is basically an arrow and most people could care less about the difference. Is that hard to understand?
How does that discredit everything presented here, almost two hours of content? You may be right on this minute detail, but how does that relate to everything else?
@@wf2197 I took issue with many "facts" put forth here but only noted one. He's the scientist yet seems lacking on many points.
By the way, as for the First Americans, Ainu aren't indigenous or aborigine at all. They came in 12th century and no relation with First Americans theme completely. They are quite different from Australian Aborigine and American native Indians' situation. Related people for the First Americans are Proto-Japanese Hokkaido（PJH, Hokkaido Sojin）had lived there, northern part of Japanese archipelago, since 35-30,000 years ago though their bones haven' t been found yet. Similar peoples' bones were found in Okinawa, as samples of 36,000~27,000 years ago. On the other hand, their ancestors are famous for crossing sea more than 20km to collect obsidians at Onbase island in Tokyo islands since 38,000 years ago. Any way, it's not Ainu, but Proto-Japanese Hokkaido（PJH）or Hokkaido Sojin as the ancestral candidate people of the First Americans. These're well known matter about Ainu and ancestors, but really very strange of no mentioning from university scholars' side.
Have you brojen down the word Aborigine? Doesn't origine mean something like original? The ab would make it the opposite, like abnormal - opposite of normal.🤷🏻♀️
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How come he briefly touches on how first world people came in probably at least 12 different waves... but then he called them indigenous ?? Im confused by the words you're choosing to throw around
english words often have dualistic meanings, they always say things such as "i stand corrected" when there is no other explanation that adapts to their scientific theory. Or "what do you mean by that?" when they do not understand simple language..The people are the people. Many tribes names mean "the people", those people or we the people always state that we came from here.. I believe those people. Not the "new world" immigrants. who have no idea where here is.. but are so proud of where they came from in the "Old Country: Shundahai Timbisha.
"indigenous" is a relative term - not absolute - like "first" is
The Indians probably came before the pleistocene during the glacial minimum, if not long before that. Always been here
I think it's interesting that the professor A) lumped Italians into manifest destiny. I would like for him to point out the Italian and Irish characters.
B) mentioned that 19th century Americans would have been pro non-citizens voting. The violated treaties he alluded to were not signed by representatives of the same nation. Being "here" first was not the chief consideration on voting rights. Being a citizen was...A citizen not of a physical location but a citizen of the concept we call a nation.
C) Pretty sure that the pigs,dogs, chicken's and their diseases Aka Spanish first contact in the 1500s killed the Mound Buildings. The Cherokee speak of the moon-eyed people who were indigenous to their lands. A group they had conflict with and a group that was wiped out by the Cherokee. I've read over and over again. That between that first contact and the first explorations of the Chesapeake. That 90% of the population died because of disease. I wonder if he'll debunk the pox infested blankets.
D) population of Cahokia has nothing to do with the accomplishments of the Seminole nation or The Susquehanock Nation. They are distinctly different people's. Each interaction, positive or negative was an interaction with a different peoples. Not a genocide of the other because of the conflicts the other had. Jewish Apache bands unhappy with the Nation's treaty. Did not burn Hamburg to the ground while murdering the entire population. These two different, distinct and horrible episodes in human history. Share nothing more than the ugliness humans can perpetrate on one and other. To lump the entirety of the hundreds, of not thousands of individual nation's into one group by calling those unrelated atrocities regenocide. Is as racist an act as one can perpetrate and is propaganda. Just as he claims that the views of day. Negatively impacted our archeology. His political philosophy is negatively impacting his lecture. Joseph garbles would be proud Aristotle would be disappointed.
E) So it wasn't racism, it was an ignorance of Christian thought. Which is a primitive religious philosophy and saying that is nothing like the archaeologists he mentioned who thought the natives were primitive. Totally different smh... Also that primitive and destructive religion. Was combined with the enlightenment here in America. Which created the most free, prosperous and technologically advance civilization in human history....hmmm. No China is not on par with The United States. They are still committing genocide and not ones made up by racist professors. Who can only make the definition of genocide. If he convinces everyone that they Aztecs, Mississippian, Susquehanock, Hopi, Anasazi Blackfoot Sioux Cherokee Seminole Apache and the Iroquois Nation. Were all the same people. Smh...I hope his students are smart enough to see this for what it is....Male Bovine Waste.
F)...will edit.... comment if for my notes. Not for dialogue or defense of against cult members who may happen to read them. I will not respond to cult members. If you are curious as to what cult I am referring to. Don't worry about it. You won't believe it any way Just as the local German populations could not believe their own eye's testimony. When our American military ancestors showed them the death camps.
Yeah the idea that the Indians were all the same people and that they were peaceful on top of that is so ludacris it’s laughable. Unfortunately the educational system of the west only teaches “majority vs minority/oppressors vs oppressed/bourgeoisie vs proletariat” narratives now - irregardless of the truth. th-cam.com/video/iVqQosyOpg4/w-d-xo.html
Pygmies kill elephants with one poisoned arrow or spear point.
Fascinating , but slides too busy , and detracts from content . Excellent nevertheless
the sound...horrible
It's good that you touched on the unhealthy "if we don't see it, it doesn't exist" mentality versus, say, land that is now underwater, which may have been inhabited by humans long before they moved inland.
Another of the many holes in archeological attention is ignoring how the glaciers themselves wiped out enormous amounts of evidence of what came before they melted.
Paleontology has a similar problem with the way the Snowball Earth may have wiped out evidence of life, and something similar that may have helped create the "boring billion".
Imagine hoe many people failed
With Dr Chuck Speer, are you shitting me?
One point. The bedrock layer with artifacts and the sterile layer show's two things. A scouring down to bedrock,a habitation after. A sterile period with deposition and a re occupation going through Clovis to now repeatedly.
Younger Drias Friend's. Exactly on Time with the energy to wipe out all trace's and explain the whole kit and caboodle.
I live here and it's completely torn up and washed away,or it's under hundreds of feet of burden
My name is EIRINI LAMPRAKOU. I live in VOULIAGMENI ATHENS GREECE.
I'm guessing these people found fossils too. I'd make a myth too, if I found a dinosaur jaw or petrified wood or sharks teeth or such.
Deleware River Valley....South Western France......Tool mirror imageing....??? For get this ?????
America is not the New World but the Old World with Civilizations that rival Mesopotamia and Egypt in Antiquity,....!
Achuelean Hand Axe. identical to Afro/Euro/Asia also found in the America's And like those ancient hand axes found in the old world so many are surface finds, not in strata digs, Same as North America..Scientists and arrowhead collectors always call them pre-forms..strange notion of pre-perfection.
it is a bit embarrassing. Imagine if you built a ship and flew to Mars. Then you get to Mars and find people living there. Then you start demanding to know where the Martians came from... Yet you do not even know where your own Earthlings came from.... Yet, you ignore that and keep insisting Martians explain themselves or you will take their whole entire planet and sell it to the people from Venus.... This is America.
If you want to talk about anthropomorphism, than talk about anthropomorphism. If you want to talk about competing evidence for a different time line of populating of the Americas, talk about competing evidence. I find the comingulation of the two muddy and hard to follow.
BTW, when I hear phrases like "...a whole bunch of scholars..." my eyes involuntarily roll back in my head. Sounds as succinct as invoking Ancient Aliens.
No such thing as a native American. Some just got here before others, but all came from somewhere else!
so what you're saying is we're all africans? come on cut your bs
@@EvenTheEevee
I'm so white I'm pink and yeah, we're all Africans.
Boys and girls of the human race.
@@EvenTheEevee some just have more African in em than others while some have more Neanderthal than others. Some can even use boats and shape flint better than others too.
Your wrong your map is wrong your wrong about everything just stop lying
Hey bruddah, white man say "how" Ndn say "why?" We know how, no need to know why.. Their lies are merely incomplete stories about others they want to finish and own... Why we ask? Only the anglo knows how they come up with such partial truths passed off as whole realities. Shundahai, Timbisha
Lol
Well since the genealogy of the truest book (the Bible) proves the earth is only 6000 to 7000 yrs old you lost me when you said 15000 yrs.. obviously your first error
My name is EIRINI LAMPRAKOU. I live in VOULIAGMENI ATHENS GREECE.
My name is EIRINI LAMPRAKOU. I live in VOULIAGMENI ATHENS GREECE.
My name is EIRINI LAMPRAKOU. I live in VOULIAGMENI ATHENS GREECE.
My name is EIRINI LAMPRAKOU. I live in VOULIAGMENI ATHENS GREECE.