Response to Mother's Basement's "Persona 5 the Animation is a Total Waste of Time" Video

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  • @TheMetalBlade5
    @TheMetalBlade5  5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    17:05 CORRECTION: He didn't say it was bad, he said "Aside from the atrocious action, Persona 5 the Animation is passable".

    • @venomw6823
      @venomw6823 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      TheMetalBlade5 Random question I thought of thinking the title, what do you think P5 would be like as a Saturday Morning cartoon, not an Anime a cartoon like Mario bros or street fighter or darkstalkers

    • @n-extrafries-surprise
      @n-extrafries-surprise 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Venom T OH DEAR GOD
      I cant imagine How much they Will butcher Joker’s personality and make the cartoon much more family friendly, with The demons be called monsters and rewrite the ending because its too “satanic”. Though it Will be corny and so bad it might be good -to meme-

    • @Joker3180Z
      @Joker3180Z 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're not pronouncing Akira Kurusu right it's not uh keer uh, it's ok kee rah and it's not ker oo soon is ker uh soo

  • @-xxphantomsnipsxx-9106
    @-xxphantomsnipsxx-9106 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    The problem I had with the 3-4 episodes of this anime when I watched them is that it felt like the anime wasn't engaging enough. Over the span of those episodes I can now see from getting the and playing the game that they rushed things to much. They skipped over all the information you'd get when beating kamoshida in the game and you learn next to nothing of the impact it did to everybody. Not to mention when I was watching the anime I had never played the game, yet my question was still "Why didn't I get to see what happened to kamoshida?" They made me not to want to watch it anymore so I stopped and got the game that was on sale for 20 bucks on the ps store, perfect opportunity!

  • @xeanheart
    @xeanheart 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Unless a show offends me on the personal level, I tend to give it 5 or 6 episodes before deciding if I wanna continue. That's usually enough time for the first arc to wrap up.

  • @readurasawamonster9782
    @readurasawamonster9782 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Joker is in smash. Now I'm hoping for batman

    • @kneau
      @kneau 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      IttiOnTH-cam careful or we’ll end up with Nightwing

    • @timemaster1016
      @timemaster1016 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A G N O M I N A Wrost case scenario,we get Damian Nightwing.

    • @Acequatch
      @Acequatch 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, we already have Robin

    • @etgamer16
      @etgamer16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Crow kinda looks like Batman so maybe he will be in Smash 😂

  • @UnchartedWalters06
    @UnchartedWalters06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Best aspect: The music is still amazing!
    Worst aspect: The character designs, especially my boi Ryuji!

  • @indiraturner5506
    @indiraturner5506 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    If Jojo 4 got improved in the Blu Ray version, so can Persona 5 The Animation.

    • @ivanthegameswine8075
      @ivanthegameswine8075 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol it didn’t

    • @madmiles5288
      @madmiles5288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The main problem with Persona 5 the animation is the direction. Part 4 had good direction with bad character art. Persona 5 the animation has bad direction and animation with good character art. Blu-Ray can only help character art.

    • @Joker3180Z
      @Joker3180Z 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I watched the dub on funimation and yes the animation quality got better

    • @Joker3180Z
      @Joker3180Z 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@madmiles5288 what bad direction I never noticed a bad direction

  • @Anaxisca
    @Anaxisca 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    At all the responses that I saw, this is defenely the best. It was so entratament(with high quality as well great pick of clips to show of examples) and I defenly agreed with your arguments.Personally I thought that the anime was all right.It defenely got a rought start , but it to improved a lot (not in a mind blow) and I always had a great time to watch.There some flaws but it's good in a way. When Mother's Basement's pop out at the time, I thought thingking of wacthing and decided to myself if worth it to do a respense when I get the change to making vidoes. I regret that decision. From my button of my heart thank for this.This is defenly one of my top 10 of Comentaries video/responses styles vidoes ever.Even better: THIS IS ON TOP 3.

  • @Bell.-
    @Bell.- 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I will always appreciate critical responses to Your mothersbasement. I feel like that guy sits on this throne he made for himself and comes off like he’s the all knowing and never wrong anime critic and that everyone else’s opinion is below his own.
    I’ve given many of his videos a chance but they always leave me with a bad taste in the mouth.

    • @tavynmay
      @tavynmay 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jackie Bell I kinda feel the same way about that guy tbh

  • @JoshtheOverlander
    @JoshtheOverlander 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Its good to see you again, Metal. Haven't been watching your videos lately, but this is a good video to come back to.
    Btw, when it comes to "That's a video for another time"... Yeah, he does that a lot. I'm still waiting on a video for the Kekkai Sensen ED.

  • @swagjames6458
    @swagjames6458 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thank U! Someone actually agrees that Akira Kurusu should be his actually name!

    • @vittoriopugliese3352
      @vittoriopugliese3352 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think his name shouldn't be anything, because he needed to be AXED from the anime.

  • @kingofmonsters14
    @kingofmonsters14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there is also this little argument: not everyone has enough time to play games, much less a hundred hour long RPG with a combat system they may not (i personally don't like turn-based RPG's), so an anime adaption is likely their best bet to enjoy a story they hear is amazing, but don't have time to play. and if you look up people who turn games into movies- take cutscenes and important gameplay bits and mash them like they're a movie; for example, YIC17 and Gamer's Little Playground- Persona 5, just on story content alone, clocks in at around 65 hours.

  • @undertaker9991
    @undertaker9991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Persona 4 the anime was gold. (No pun attended.) But when the argument is brung up on P5 anime its simply trying to catch lighting in bottle on a sequel to a well beloved franchise with a budget of 25$ and 10 of that was the lead animator's laundry budget.
    The reason why the p5 anime went under people noises is because of its unappealing visuals. Yes design matters but on a deeper analyst, its the lowest of the totem pole. Narratively, action and caracter wise P5 the anime is probably great. But its visual view didn't "promise". That's.....all.
    P.S.
    Mother Basement doesn't know what the hell he's talking about! "Why look at the anime when you can play the game." Uh ..because Persona has always been a narrative piece and a tv show helps illustrate and emphasis. And that hasn't stop people before with the p3 movies and the p4 anime.

  • @itsame764
    @itsame764 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've been watching Persona 5 The Animation and I LOVE it though I haven't gotten the chance to actually play Persona 5 since my brother is almost always playing the ps4 so I can't really compare them however I usually dont compare Adaptations/Remakes of anything mainly because I like to see what merits it has over the original so that particularly is why this video really pissed me off

    • @Princeomishore
      @Princeomishore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No you should play the game. The whole anime is hot fucking garbage

    • @theinsp3ctor368
      @theinsp3ctor368 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You compared them anyway because in order to see what merits it has over the original you'd have to be familiar with both to notice what's good and what's bad

    • @vittoriopugliese3352
      @vittoriopugliese3352 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I disliked the anime as it dumbed down the game. By the way, Joker's whole existence in the anime is a problem, as the anime would have been better without him.
      The anime that, you know, HAS NO PLAYER WHOM JOKER IS A SELF-INSERT FOR!

  • @OnyxOfTheEarth
    @OnyxOfTheEarth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Akira Kurusu may be a better sounding name, but it doesn't say anything about Joker's character unlike Ren Amamiya. Just sayin.

    • @atomicaftershow
      @atomicaftershow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wdym

    • @hasannaim8381
      @hasannaim8381 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Atomic After Show ren mamma mia >>>>>>

    • @vittoriopugliese3352
      @vittoriopugliese3352 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Akira Kurusu, Ren Amamiya, he deserved none of those names. Because the anime needed to AXE him. Joker is a player insert, in an anime, that by its very nature HAS NO PLAYER! That doesn't make sense. It would have been better to have the protagonist be an actual character and Joker not present at all.

    • @lambousginiguccigod2007
      @lambousginiguccigod2007 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vittoriopugliese3352 or they could of just gave him a better character for his anime counterpart

    • @vittoriopugliese3352
      @vittoriopugliese3352 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lambousginiguccigod2007 Atlus would never do that. And basically half of the cast seems to exist only to act as Joker's mouthpiece after their arc.
      Not to mention, the story can make sense if you axe him and rewrite a few things, for instance: make Yusuke or Makoto, or even Haru since she lacks story presence, the one who has attacked Shido and is taken in by Sojiro, and only have them awaken in their respective arcs while only Ryuji and Morgana fight in Kamoshida's.

  • @TajirMusil
    @TajirMusil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was very disappointed in the persona 5 anime, not only because I like persona 5, but because the persona 4 anime was really good.

  • @calamaria9221
    @calamaria9221 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Late, but yah he really should have waited till the anime finished. It doesn't help that he implies that he somehow watched the whole anime even though there was only 3 at the time.

    • @Princeomishore
      @Princeomishore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anime is finished and it's still hot fucking garbage. Fight scenes are trash and they skip over important moments for characters.

  • @Sonic171K
    @Sonic171K 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I watch Mother's Basement from my mother's basement.

  • @jasonmunozjr
    @jasonmunozjr ปีที่แล้ว

    Anime boss fights were rushed EXCEPT the first one since it lasts several minutes and Shadow Sae for similar reasons plus Makoto's development during the latter.

  • @cy1763
    @cy1763 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey Metalblade I thought since you don’t have videos to response to. I thought “Which Smash Character Waited the Longest” by Kotaku can make for a good response video. If you watch or have already watched it and don’t think so that’s perfectly fine. It’s just a video request I thought of since the video is inaccurate with a couple of characters. Also if you see this comment thank you for reading it and if you don’t find the video worthy of a response that’s perfectly fine.

  • @lincolnwaugh4047
    @lincolnwaugh4047 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Also another point for his first claim "There's no reason to watch the anime" is what if there's people out there that never was able to buy the PS4? Like me.

    • @LTDLetsPlays
      @LTDLetsPlays 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      watch a lets play

    • @lincolnwaugh4047
      @lincolnwaugh4047 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LTDLetsPlays what if I never heard of persona 5 or the series?

    • @n-extrafries-surprise
      @n-extrafries-surprise 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lincoln Waugh ok, take your time to watch The anime... and then watch a Lets play. Youre missing so much goodness from The persona 5’s game play :O

    • @lincolnwaugh4047
      @lincolnwaugh4047 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@n-extrafries-surprise I know, but consoles these days can't get cheaper

    • @lincolnwaugh4047
      @lincolnwaugh4047 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And I'm already watching a gameplay from a guy named JoneAwsome

  • @tinyarmadillo
    @tinyarmadillo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Also what if someone can’t play the game because they don’t have ps3/4

    • @ragnaricstudios5888
      @ragnaricstudios5888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Pussyslayr also, does persona have a 3DS version, or am I thinking dangonrampa

    • @n-extrafries-surprise
      @n-extrafries-surprise 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dusk Art i think youre thinking of Perosna Q , there is no persona 3, 4 or 5 games in the 3ds. Theres no Danganronpa on The 3ds either but you can buy that game from Steam and play it on PC.

    • @burnttoast-fi8138
      @burnttoast-fi8138 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rpcs3? (ps3 emulator)

  • @connorlee3704
    @connorlee3704 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MetalBlade5... Y U NO RESPOND TO REWIND 2018?!

  • @vittoriopugliese3352
    @vittoriopugliese3352 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Persona 5's anime adaptation was bogged down by various factors, but the most important was keeping Joker in it.
    Joker is not a character, he represents the player, so Persona 5 Royal's anime adaptation, which has no player, needs to rewrite the plot so that it can be done by the actual characters and doesn't include the player himself.
    Other shortcomings of the anime were caused by the team's trying to keep game mechanics in it even if they aren't appropriate to the anime medium.
    How this anime adaptation needs to be done to be good:
    Joker does not exist. Joker's traits are split between Yusuke (he got transferred from Kosei to Shujin, he assaulted Shido and attempted to murder him, he's taken by Sojiro, he enters Kamoshida's Palace alongside Ryuji, he takes Morgana at Leblanc) and Makoto (she's the leader of the Phantom Thieves, she knows Goro was behind everything). Joker's design is taken by a nameless and non-speaking recurring cameo character at Shujin whom the PTs never actually interact with.
    Kaneshiro's arc happens before Madarame: Makoto is met earlier to "officially found" the phantom thieves. Yusuke is already following Ryuji and Morgana in Kamoshida's Palace but is a noncombatant navigator/strategist until Madarame's arc.
    Yusuke has a new character arc, having both Madarame and Shido as nemeses. Since he was raised by Madarame, he started developing a psychological complex that made him fanatically obsessed with beauty, art, nature and purity (and also being a Shinto fundamentalist), to the point of being a sociopath with "those that do not appreciate true beauty". After seeing Shido rape the woman, he willingly attempts to kill him, calling him "an impure petty tyrant drunk with power, which only death can redeem". He's taken by Sojiro not because he's innocent, but because Sojiro knows Yusuke has a mental disorder, and he wants to take in mentally disturbed people because he feels he has failed Futaba. His two palaces have him deal with both Madarame's abuse (Madarame) and Yusuke's own sociopathy (Shido).
    The Velvet Room appears in dreams to Yusuke and Ryuji (and later to anyone who joins the PT). No mention is made of the Wild Card, as now Yusuke is Emperor and Goro is Justice (no one is Fool). Persona Fusion and Demon Negotiation simply do not exist at all, as they would be a blatant deus-ex-machina and a one-off mechanic that is never used after the first time: every character has a Persona tied to his/her personality, including Yusuke and Makoto. Instead, Ultimate Personas appear in the plot, and Yusuke and Makoto get theirs at the same time when fighting Shido. Satanael is a third-level Persona of Makoto created when Yusuke's Kamu Susanoo is fused with Anat. The Velvet Room is seen first-person, so Yusuke never talks to the twins.
    Social Links are replaced by various bonding scenes where parts of the Social Links of two or more characters from the game are composed into one, and more character development is given to the characters. There are episodes completely focused on those scenes. Ultimate Personas are not always granted through Social Links (see Yusuke and Makoto) but Haru and Ann get theirs in a bonding scene with each other, and Futaba in one with Yusuke.
    Ryuji dies for real after Shido's Palace collapses. Seiten Taisei is a boss in Maruki's arc, as the true form of a Shadow guardian in Maruki's Palace that looks identical to Ryuji (as the PTs' grief for Ryuji's death is used by Maruki as a "wish he wants to grant to them").
    Makoto and Morgana travel to the TV station alone, rather than with Ann's class (but Ryuji and Ann follow them, while Yusuke stays home). There, Makoto and Goro start suspecting each other.
    Maruki's arc is focused on Makoto, Goro and Kasumi. Yusuke loses focus until the Palace exploration, as he willingly goes to a psychiatric clinic for rehab (instead of a juvenile hall), then follows his game counterpart.
    Persona fights are animated this way: the Persona stays out and damage to a persona is transmitted to the user (like Stands in JoJo). The protagonists have no weapon or gun in the real world but their Persona can transform into a weapon (a shotgun for Ryuji, a submachine gun for Ann, a katana for Yusuke, a slingshot for Morgana, a gun for Makoto, a sniper rifle for Futaba, an axe for Haru, a laser gun for Goro). Futaba's ultimate Persona Prometheus can fight, even though Necronomicon can't.
    The title is not "Persona 5 the Animation", but "An Emperor Among Phantom Thieves", without the Persona name in it (because Persona game mechanics are taken off, and it doesn't follow the game series's traditions).
    Some characters are fully written off the plot, like Iwai (since there are no weapons), Ohya (already of minimal importance in the game), Chihaya (voice actor died and already of minimal importance in the game) and non-Yaldabaoth Igor (the voice actor died. Yaldabaoth has killed and replaced Igor, and he's replaced by Lavenza at the end, with Lavenza's fusion being actually caused by Igor). Other non-party SL are done by various party members, such as Ryuji that does Kawakami, Yusuke does Hifumi, etc. Some characters, like Caroline and Justine, exist but have their SL taken off (in the twins' case, it focuses on Fusion, which is a mechanic that cannot be adapted in Anime form).
    Yusuke and Makoto do not receive the World Arcana. The World is Maruki's Arcana instead of the non-existing Councillor, while Kasumi is the Fool.
    The "Cognitive Protagonist" can't work with Makoto as the PT leader, as Sae has a Cognition of Makoto which looks different than her human self. The Cognitive Protagonist gambit is replaced by Futaba altering her appearance through Necronomicon to resemble Makoto and get killed off (for real) in place of Makoto herself. Like Ryuji, Futaba is resurrected by Maruki as a Cognition, though she, like him, is dispelled from existence after the ending. Like Ryuji, Futaba's Ultimate Persona only appears as a boss, used by the Cognitive Futaba (or it appears in Sae's Palace to create Makoto's skin around Futaba, but still never fights directly until the Cognitive Futaba uses it).
    The final Palace (Maruki) has the party splitting: Makoto, Goro and Kasumi fight Maruki, while Yusuke duels the Cognitive Futaba (which he sees as repairing the damage he committed) and Ann and Morgana defeat Cognitive Ryuji.
    To those who want Joker to stay, why?
    Other than fanservice, what would Joker do if he stayed in the anime? Nothing that another character couldn't do by taking his few traits and incorporating them into his new characterization.
    Remember that to make a good anime you sometimes need to take liberties from the source material. And completely writing off a silent and/or weakly characterized protagonist is the most important liberty to take, as it shows that the anime exist independent from the game and the player playing it
    P5 was adapted into a fanservice-heavy trainwreck of an anime faithful to the game. P5R and subsequent games need to be adapted into good anime that break off from the game!

  • @snailcat5806
    @snailcat5806 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I literally just watched the video

  • @shinjikaguri8933
    @shinjikaguri8933 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The anime is terrible, yet enjoyable like a guilty pleasure yet in all honesty... The pacing was so out of place for me and how they went to the scenes and how they went with the story and character from what I've seen was not good and I just don't like P5 the animation for that... SO I RECOMMEND THEY START OVER WITH P5 ROYAL!!!

  • @moonraven6145
    @moonraven6145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I guess that's what happens when you quickly release a video when you've only seen 3 episodes.

  • @Buffypoodle
    @Buffypoodle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The animation though is super low quality

  • @tobiasarevalo9929
    @tobiasarevalo9929 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    btw why is it acceptable for an anime to be bad at the start if it isnt perfection from start to finish then what is the point?

    • @1slayer959
      @1slayer959 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well then I got bad news for you buddy.
      NOTHING, is perfection start to finish.
      I guess you gotta quite all forms of intertainment now.
      What's the point right

  • @FoxflameGoddess
    @FoxflameGoddess 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i feel like im the only one who likes this anime
    edit: akira is only his name in the manga. everywhere else his name is ren. so, while neither is “canon” per se, ren is “more canon” if that makes sense

  • @ganon_t99
    @ganon_t99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We're never it coming!

  • @tobiasarevalo9929
    @tobiasarevalo9929 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    PLAY THE GAME

  • @jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042
    @jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Persona 5's CGI is terrible

  • @Peasham
    @Peasham 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After P5 itself being not very good, I can't say I cared about the anime much either.

    • @guilhermemeyer4326
      @guilhermemeyer4326 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, not good at all, it was just almost GOTY...

    • @Peasham
      @Peasham 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guilhermemeyer4326 Because something being popular automatically makes it good?

    • @guilhermemeyer4326
      @guilhermemeyer4326 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Peasham No, it has nothing to do with popularity. Persona 5 was there because it deserved. Celeste isn't a famous game, but was on the list of the GOTY of 2018.

    • @Peasham
      @Peasham 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guilhermemeyer4326 Do.. do you realize how they even give away awards? There is no objective standard to a game "deserving" to be in the GOTY, it is literally all based off of popularity, the hell are you talking about?
      Also, Celeste is pretty famous for an indie game. From what I've read, we're talking half a million copies sold. Add to that everyone praising the shit out of it, and it's no wonder it's on the list.

    • @mariophreak
      @mariophreak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Peasham That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if YOU think P5 isn't very good. I respect that. However P5 almost being GOTY does mean most people do think it is a great game.

  • @mrman6035
    @mrman6035 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sorry, had to dislike for Akira.