IvoryNK, Disney owns them since late 00s but they distributed Pixar films the entire time. Disney doesn’t micromanage storydecisons and this video should not blame Disney when Pixar here something poor. I bet people don’t credit overall Disney management when Pixar does something great.
Can't Disney just admit the Rebellious Princess is no longer a subversion or radical but just a cliche. Seriously, the new subversion is to just have a non-action princess who still uses her smarts and kindness to get through life.
@@Woodenfanapunzel was one of the last “girly” female protagonists that was still accountable and competent while not being an obnoxious always correct girl boss that ironically posses traits that are stereotypically associated with the concept of “toxic masculinity”. Almost implying that to be feminine, womanly, and delicate is weakness and it’s more honoring and preferable for a woman to behave like an aggressive cold man to be “strong” and “empowering “. How that isn’t perceived as sexist I will never know.
Worth noting the original director of what became Brave was fired halfway through production and the new directors changed the film a LOT, so the first-draft dialogue thing is probably true, and also explains why nothing makes sense.
And the original inspiration for the movie was the original Director, a mother, and her relationship with her own daughter. By getting rid of her, they also destroyed the emotional foundation.
I also think it’s so similar to Disney films like Aladdin and Little Mermaid and typical cliches like Quest for Camelot (not Disney film but mentioned here) because the director was trying to make some commentary on those plots and do it better. But badly failed.
What’s even sadder is that this was going to be directed by Brenda Chapman, who made The Prince of Egypt. But she was fired because of creative differences between John Lasseter, and she was replaced by a director who had no idea what he was doing. I really think there must be a Chapman Cut of this film, because according to the Blu-ray bonuses, they cut out more than 80% of the film, probably after Chapman was let go of. I really want a Chapman Cut of Brave called The Bear and The Bow, make it a Disney+ series.
I think one of the biggest sins of this movie was that they barely even focused on Mor'du's backstory, because at least there could've been a thematic reason as to why the queen also turned into a bear. It could tie into the story of Mor'du and how he lost both his family and his humanity. Being the eldest son who's most prominent trait was his power, he was furious to find out that the throne was to be separated between him and his brothers. He felt as if his birthright was taken from him. This resulted in him slicing the stone tablet of him and his brothers, severing his relationship with them. This also ties in with Merida slicing the tapestry of her family and how she almost did the same thing as him. Needing power in order to defeat his three brothers, he turned to the witch and gave up the ring that symbolized his family. With the spell in his hand, he was given the choice to either mend the broken relationship with his younger brothers, or to gain its power to rule over them. He chose the latter, resulting in the literal and figurative loss of his humanity. He accepted the form of the beast, and brought havoc for generations to come, with the descendants of his brothers eventually forming the four clans we saw in the film. Merida turning her mother into a bear was meant to represent how she forcefully wanted to change the status quo, almost the same way Mor'du did. However, this resulted in the queen almost suffering the same fate as Mor'du. But because they still cared and loved each other, the queen used her newfound strength to stand up to Mor'du and protect her loved ones. In the end, Merida did change her mother, but in a way that mended the relationship of the two. As oppose to Mor'du desire to change how things worked, which only resulted in death, tragedy and the destruction of his family and humanity.
This movie might even have come across as *better* without the Mor'du story, because if they were trying to teach them a lesson about selfishness and severing familial connections, then *Merida* should've turned into a bear, not Eleanor. And I personally would've felt more connection to the material that way. If Pixar REALLY wanted to do the bear thing (even though it was already done better in Brother Bear), Merida should've felt insecure about her lack of interest in the princess duties and asked the witch for a spell to change *her,* not her mother. The movie could've played out exactly the same after that. And maybe not lean so much on the idea that a war would start if Meroda doesn't get married?? Cause now it seems like the neighboring kingdoms will be pissed later on when they don't have the money or good trading routes because the betrothal didn't go through as promised. 🙄 They just really should've stuck with the angle it was advertised as instead of this garbage. When I saw trailers for this movie on TV, I thought it would be a really cool story about a badass princess who fought bad guys and shot a bow and didn't back down to anyone with a lot of Celtic lore and fairy tale creatures. :( Instead the only fictional creatures we got was Scary Evil Bear Man (which at this point is just an immortal bear) and the Will-O-Wisps which we barely even got a glimpse of.
That would be more cohesive. But it wouldn't be a message that I would like. Sometimes, the way that things work actually is terrible and needs to be changed. Arranged marriage was always terrible.
Yeah, I think that even most people who LIKED Brave would agree that Wreck it Ralph deserved the Oscar that year instead of it. EVERYONE disliked that.
The only reason why Brave won the Best Animated Feature Oscar was because the Academy Voters tend to be like aimless sheep, always voting for anything with the Pixar name, regardless of quality. I agree that Wreck It Ralph should have won, but it lost for the same reasons The Social Network lost to The King's Speech. Academy Voters without any common sense, who don't even bother to watch all the nominees at that time.
So it turns out that they (the studio) had a woman director that wanted a focus on the mother daughter aspect but mid-way in the development of the film she was let go. The movie was rework and we got the current "Brave" movie. There's a TH-camr here that did an hour long analysis and included the behind the scenes and why it went wrong. Another TH-camr talks abouts what's the possible folktale the movie may have based on. In the end, the movie was a Frankenstein movie that was done poorly.
The mother daughter stuff was the weakest part of the movie, you really need to know what you are doing to make it work, so I would also have fired the old director, but the staff at the end only worked around what was already done instead of completely reworking the film, just like they did with Toy Story 2.
The whole thing of the princess nearly starting a war due to her selfishness can best be summed up by Enter's best quote: "Think through your implications"
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Also any of his videos mentioning Powerpuff Girls 2016. Then it almost came back in that 2010's Worst Cartoons episode in the form of "maybe you should think this through."
I actually liked brave and honestly can you blame Merida for not wanting to marry I still think Merida fits the bill for a gay or asexual Disney princess better then elsa
The comparison between Brother Bear and Brave on the bear transformation is on point. The main problem is that Brave has a lack of symbolism In Brother Bear, the Bear is specifically stated, represents "love," and when Kenai gets this spirit totem, he hates it. Only after he turns into the Bear does he develop a "brotherly" love for Koda and pushes pass his hatred for bears. In Brave there's no clear indication of what the bear is supposed to represent despite appearing all throughout the movie, which is why Elinor turning into a bear seems to have no meaning outside of the irony that her husband is bear killer.
It’s clearly supposed to represent the loss of humanity that occurs when you let the important relationships in your life deteriorate over dumb stuff, and understanding each other’s point of view.
You know, contrasting Aladdin and Brave like this REALLY makes me appreciate Aladdin’s animation so much more. You really don’t see animated films with this much color anymore. It’s not only well-animated, it’s well lit and very vibrant.
That's not exactly saying much. It seems like the weakest Pixar films always have one aspect about it that's talked about and nothing else. In this movie's case, it was the hair.
Kenai turned into a bear because of his totem. His totem was a bear, which was the totem of 'love' and he dismissed that notion so he turns into a bear to learn the value of love. The bear he killed was just an animal to him, a beast some might say. So he turns into a bear to learn that bears were just as alive as he was and were affected by what he did. There were multiple reasons for a bear specifically but the main one was in fact his totem and learning to value love moreso than the bear he killed.
I think the shot of the crown was supposed to show that the mother had lost her human mind and left the crown behind. Because she always took the Crown with her even as a bear, the fact that she left it behind showed the audience that something was wrong.
The bootleg ripoff movie "Kiara the Brave" has a more fitting title than this, and that movie was literally made just to cash in on whatever popularity this one may have gotten
Still can’t believe they kicked off one of the directors of the freaking prince of Egypt from this film, pretty much ripping it away from its potential.
Practically? No, it DID rip the film away from its potential. Apparently original director Brenda Chapman based it on her own relationship with her daughter. Firing her meant the film lost its emotional core -- especially because a LOT of her work was cut and rewritten by the new director. Shameful.
Agree. It was terribly advertised for the product it was. Maybe people wouldn't be so harsh on it if the expectation was never "omg this is Pixar doing Lord of the Rings!"
@@Twinklethefox9022 TheMysteriousMrEnter actually points out Brave's bad advertising and brings up a very good point at 6:11. The poster and most of the advertising portrays Merida using her bow and arrow, but very little of the actual movie shows Merida using her bow.
To be fair, when I first saw the movie. I thought the shot of the crown was meant to convey that Eleanor was slowly losing her humanity. For someone who holds their role as a queen in such high esteem, a crown would be very important to her since it is a symbol of what she once was. Her leaving behind that crown was meant to show the audience that her losing her crown was meant to convey that she was losing the one thing remained of her once human form.
Was about to leave this exact comment. This honestly came off to me as something related to MrEnter's autism. Instead of considering the emotions of the character, in relation to the crown, he instead just assumes the crown is entirely a tool and utility.
I was, originally, really interested in this film, as it _looked_ like it would be a Ghibli-style Pixar film, set amongst a Scottish mythology backdrop. That sounds *_awesome,_* especially when you consider some of the horrifying monstrosities in Scottish mythology. There’s _so_ much you could do in that kind of setting. And we got this. What a crock.
Here’s a little story. This film had a very troubled production. It first started out as a project called The Bear and The Bow (which i think is a much better title) and was gonna be directed by Brenda Chapman, which would’ve made it the first Pixar film with a female director. But there was a lot of creative differences between her and the studio. This ultimately led to Chapman being removed from the project. Mark Andrews then took over and became the new director. He then had the story heavily reworked and rewritten. The title of the film was then changed to Brave
I'm glad I'm not the only one here....I found Merida to be the most selfish Disney princess of them all. Jasmine didn't want to be forced to be betrothed because she wanted to marry for love and that wasn't something that'd hurt anyone. Especially after she already fell in love with Aladdin. Hell, even in the remake, they show more of her having a concern for her people and not wanting to marry a corrupt idiot, and also loving Aladdin. And in both versions, she greatly loved her father. Merida all too willingly went to use a potion on her mother which nearly permanently turned her into a bear. She seemed way too eager to risk that and that selfishness was sickening. And I know the mother was also selfish, but she was doing it for her people, and following the tradition she grew up with, and Merida had hardly any regard for what a potion from a stranger could do to her. She isn't portrayed to be super naïve either so it comes across as cruel. She's an awful person who didn't care about her people or her mother until what, the end of the movie? I saw it recently with my mother and we both felt the same--very uncomfortable at how little regard she showed for using a potion on her mom. Her mom did look like she's straight up dying and Merida would say things like, "are you going to change your mind about me being betrothed?"
It honestly it gets worse the more you think about it. Never mind her turning her mother into a bear, because that was an accident. Her true intention behind giving her mother the potion was far more wicked. She basically tried to use magic to rob her mother of her free-will in order to have her way. What other Disney characters have done something like that?
Agree. It's no wonder why I find Merida to be my most despised Disney princess, and also shows how Pixar, despite their innovation, actually isn't that good in creating princess films unlike its parent company Disney. I honestly didn't get why Merida received so much praise for breaking away from the stereotypes of other Disney Princesses before her when her film came out, when in all honesty, Disney already had created a "badass princess" already and had done it right via Fa Mulan from Disney's "Mulan" back in 1998.
@@cartooncritique6625 It wasn't just so she could have her way. She wanted her mom to accept her for who she was because her mom was trying to turn her into someone she wasn't. Yes I know that during that time period women were expected to be a certain way but still.
@@yogalover2753 Yes, and her mother did need to be taken to task for that, but that doesn't change that Merida's methods were still borderline evil, and I feel like the movie never fully addresses that fact.
@@maxmeidl4909 I hate to admit it, but I actually enjoy Cars 2. I've always hated Brave, even when I was young. I enjoy Cars 2 despite its flaws. But Brave's flaws are so numerous that I couldn't enjoy it.
The thing with Brave that annoys me is Scotland's monarchy was not passed down in the way they show it like the English or French monarchies. They are a tanistry which means the crown flips to the other side of the family
So the triplets would technically be heirs to the throne anyway, which makes Merida complaining all the more annoying because she's not even in line for it.
I understand why Brave is terrible, but personally, I think Toy Story 4 is Pixar’s worst film. It not only has a bad story, but gladly shits over the original trilogy of Toy Story and destroys the characters of the original.
Actually is more of a deconstruction of that idea, and give a pretty indeep sight of what a toy could do when they don't have an owner or their owner doesn't like them. Pretty week compare dto the other ones, yes, but I still think is a solid Toy Story sequel. I recommend to watch Schaffrilar Pixar Rankong for more further analysis
Just while listening to this, I had an idea for how to improve that one specific aspect of Cars 2. Have a scene where Mater meets another vehicle who seems to have a similar personality to him, they hit it off because Mater is still mad at Lightning at this point. The other guy gives him some good advice to reconcile. Then it's revealed he's the American spy and just really likes using the country bumpkin persona in cover. This fixes 3 things. 1. If this specific agent has a reputation for the country bumpkin mask being used a lot, it makes since the other spies wouldn't immediately sense something is wrong. 2. It furthers Mater's subplot with Lightning. 3. It gives him a better reason to stick the beacon on Mater right before being grabbed and kidnapped, since he knows him and knows he at least has a good heart. Maybe their conversation went to Mater's work with lemons and the spy figured he might be helpful in this.
I knew this film would blow when the trailer dropped. There is no way you can do Celtic/Gaelic mythology without a ton of fighting, blood, gore, and drinking. Seriously, look up some of the myths, they make a shonen anime look tame. Yet somehow Disney looked at this culture and said, "how about a tame mother daughter conflict where the only deadly thing is a semi-magical, deadly bear and arrows are fired maybe, six or seven times.
That kind of reminds me of how, back in the late 90's, Disney was going to do an animated film set in 1970's/Disco Era New York City featuring animals. They then scrapped the idea when they did some research and realized that there was NO WAY they could make a movie in that setting and also make it family-friendly.
Wait, how about Disney's Hercules? We all know Greek mythology was a lot more bloody and sexually explicit like God of War, but to this day that film is still enjoyable...
@@cardboardbox5704 Hydra fight, you literally get to see Hercules decapitate the Hydra then cut to the stump bulge and sprout two new heads, ending with Hercules getting eaten and having to cut his way out. Same with the Boar in the montage, Hercules fires arrow, we get to travel with the arrow, right before the boar gets head shot, hard cut to vase depicting Hercules serving it to the city on a platter. The problem with Brave isn't that they aren't 100% accurate, its that they didn't even try to display any of the mythology except the Will-o-wisps tenatively. You could set this movie in just about any period, with any european culture and not much changes. The witch is generic enough, the story is generic enough, the only thing even holding it to Celtic mythology is the characters design, accents, and Wisps which could easily be exchanged for generic magical help for them to break the curse.
Here's a problem I always had with the film. I always felt like Merida had an easy solution to all her problems. She could've just said "I like riding horses, shooting bows, and not wearing corsets. I will marry the prince who has absolutely no problem with me doing all those things". It seems like she would have more freedom living with her new husband than she does living with her Mom. All her suitors did seem pretty feeble, so she was likely to wear the pants in any of those relationships. Yes, she's still marrying a man she doesn't love, but the film put way more emphasis on her lack of freedom than it did on that aspect.
However she was being forced into marrying the 3 individuals she had no choice in the matter that what the problem was its not what she was wanting it was very clear the mother was also trying to change her to be a certain way. This is why she went for her own hand. The mom was very dismissive of her daughter. Yea Merida complained a lot but can you blame her when she has no say in anything whatsoever that even a war could break out that is a lot to have on your shoulders and to be forced to be mislabel and lose her freedom to. It wasn't an easy solution. It was very clear she didn't love them and to be forced to marry someone you don't love and have all you like taken away isn't living. You are basically a prisoner with being allowed to look pretty but nothing.
@@dracophoenixttv Its called dutty. I know this generation cant understand the fact that in the past, royalty would marry for alliance and to keep their nation safe and not go to war. I know the sense of "Sacrifice" is foreign to a selfish generation but sometimes you have to think further than "I want to be happy". Thats what it means to be in position of leadership. You do it because of duty not because you want it. Pretty sure if you lived during these times youll be mad to learn that your princess doesnt want to get marry to such and such man cause she's looking for "love", and thus sending you and the kingdom into a war that could have been avoided. But because we live in a different time, its easy to judge these people and talk about "love" and not wanting to be a princess. And its not just girl being married like that, princes to were married for alliance and peace between kingdoms.
@@mrbob4104 Oh brother... By that same logic, the draft was legal. As was slavery. Forcing somebody into something, whether marriage, labor or going to fight and die for a war that does NOT affect them is wrong no matter how you spin it. I'll happily take 21st Century 'selfishness' over being a slave to the machine as you suggest. And the government has a duty to give it's civilians rights. The people do not have a duty to prop up that government's goals diplomatically or militarily. Their only 'duty' should be to their own people, not to a king or country. Fuck right off with that shit.
I kind of appreciate that Enter doesn't always go along with what's popular. Like his Extra Credits Orcs video. Extra Credits might be channeling through popular Twitter discourse in pointing out how certain fictional depictions are bigoted. Enter points out how self-congratulatory, arrogant, straw-manny, dumb, and damaging this kind of discourse and mindset is.
The one tiny bit of detail I did like was one of the sons that was competing for Merida's hand in marriage had a running joke where he talked in an incredibly thick accent. The bit that interested me was that Pixar told the actor to speak gibberish in a Scottish accent, but the actor (who was a northeast Scottish native) said "Actually, I'll just speak my native tongue instead" so if you listen to his lines carefully, his lines does fit the dialogue. In fact, the casting is one of the few things I would give Brave credit for, it's full of talented Scottish actors like Billy Connelly and Robbie Coltraine (RIP) with a few British ones who do their best with such a weak script. While Disney is known nowadays for casting actors who are close to or part of the culture their films take place in (i.e. Moana, Coco, Encanto), before Brave they didn't really do that with rare exceptions like Mulan.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX she actually.the director was a she,but eventually was replaced by a man. I believe it was for creative diffrences,at least that is what i recall since she doesn't really talk about it much.
@@gatewoodanimations9753 the one flaw that many seem to think is kenai being turned into a bear because unlike the princess and the frog (even though that's a good movie too) and especially brave, I felt like kenai needed to be turned into a bear for the story to work yet many digress
@@gokublack9724 Yes! I don’t like how people think Kenai turning into a bear was unnecessary when it 100% was. His totem was a bear and he killed a bear so he was put into a bears shoes and learn how to love. The flaws I am thinking about are more about the second act tonal shift and the confession scene. And even tho I do Understand their frustrations and I somewhat agree, those two flaws don’t stop me from loving the movie. To me all the positives outweigh the negatives by a long shot
Why Brave is how it is is because the original director was fired and the replacement didn’t know what he was doing. You’d be almost GUARANTEED to like this movie if that original director could finish the job
@@Soufriere84 I see several comments on here pointing out Brave's change in directors, probably TheMysteriousMrEnter fails to mention that trivial, but very noteworthy fact in the actual video itself.
I am not a Brave fan, in fact I greatly detest it, but there's no way I'd say it's worse than The Good Dinosaur. The TH-camr *eliquorice* actually does a good job showing how the archery contest scene is done extremely well. I disagree that the corset makes Eleanor looked detached, or at the very least, her being detached makes her look awful. Merida is going through the same thing Eleanor had to go through meaning Eleanor would know the pain Merida is feeling but as the queen she's expecting Merida to grin and bare it like she did. Also in that exact scene, we see Eleanor let the queen mask slip a bit because seeing her daughter properly dressed brings up maternal instincts. She instinctively wanted to nurture Merida but held it in.
Merida's dad is so fun but then her mom is a complete wet blanket, but that could also be fun, for her to be a real played up prim and proper lady or something, but they were wishy washy about it and tried to make the mom's traits seem good. Now there's plenty to being polite and elegant and the good that it can do, but they were taking a negative stereotype and, without understanding the positives that that stereotype comes from, tried to make the negatives seem positive.
I remember being somewhat annoyed when the announcement was made that Merida became part of the Princess line, because I remembered that Disney initially had a rule that movies from other studios Disney owned were not to be represented in the line seeing as Brave is not produced by Disney Animation but by Pixar. The line originally had a criteria saying that no CGI characters were to be added yet Tangled broke that rule.
Elinor was annoying to me. Also, "awful and detached as possible" describes her better than I can (Plus,her becoming a bear made her quiet, soooooooo that's a plus for me)
The fact that this was a replacement of another Pixar Movie called Newt, which is their ONLY cancelled movie, makes me very sad because Newt looked better than Brave (even if it did look like Rio, but with Newts)
"I suppose a princess just does what she's told!" Unironically yes! Most nobles were supposed to do what the king told them to do. That's also the only reason your dad was able to stop the lords from literally going to war with each other!
I guess Mr Enter did not know that Brave was based on the fairy tale Rose-Red, of the Snow-White and Rose-Red fame. Does it help the plot make sense? No. Does it explain ... anything? Somewhat. At least it was not a romance.
The original Grimm fairytale is miles (or should I say kilometers) better than this slog. This movie had potential to actually be good and it was wasted
@@ChildofChrist1983 I agree. I'm honestly sick of adaptations conflating it with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, it's a perfectly good story all on its own.
@@reasyrandom And we wouldn’t even have the theme parks or Disney Animation if Walt Disney himself didn’t risk all he had to bring us the original classic movie. Walt was never about the money, but family. Disney as a whole is a shell of what it once was and all it represented. And now, Pixar is falling down that same hole with its woke and gay agenda garbage. Walt Disney was hardly a saint, but at the end of the day, he was humble and knew what mattered. All this modern trash is just an insult on him and his legacy as well as our childhoods. And other places are no better these days. It’s why I’ve all but given up on modern media and modern entertainment as a whole, say for a few exceptions. Classics are classics for a reason, whether it’s storybooks or music or movies or shows, and they deserve far more love and attention than the slop we have now. I’m not just saying all this as an 80s baby and a Christian, but as a person. And it’s time people wake up and realize and remember what REAL quality entertainment is. Thankfully, some people are, what with all these remakes and forced trans/gay/woke agendas and endings and such. But some is hardly enough
I always thought it didn't make much sense for Merida to be given in marriage; the marriage was supposed to bring peace between the clans, but if you give the princess royal to one clan, that just means one clan would have a connection to royalty that the other ones lack, which would create imbalance between them. It would have made more sense for Merida's brothers to be be married to daughters from each clan, since there are three princes and three clans. Merida could have become queen after Fergus and kept the royal line going.
Honestly, when I first saw this film in 2012, it really reminded me of the kind of movie you'd expect from Dreamworks at the time. I kind of mourn what this movie was supposed to be based on the original director's vision.
@coachcherokee1488 mainly the humor reminded me. Shrek the third had come out not long before this; to their credit DreamWorks has evolved significantly since
It makes me feel angry the fact that dark scenes that can be at the same time fully visible has been solved years ago The lord of the rings Many mayor scenes take place at night, but to keep everything in view, they just use dark blue THAT IS IT blue instead of black and your night scene is both dark and visible I didn't even notice until someone in tiktok point it out
I'm 50/50 on Brave. I think the voice acting, despite being insufferable at times is delivered well and portrays the emotions of each character perfectly. The characters are a whole other story though: I liked how wild and loud her father was, but I knew that a lot of the film's humour would centre around stereotypes surrounding the clans, which were a little tasteless, to say the least. Merida, for what she's worth, has at least one defining moment in the movie that shows that she's changed over the course of the movie, and that's the scene in the Great Hall when she's able to break up all the fighting between the clans, and encourages the sons to make their own choices too, rather than be forced into an arranged marriage by their fathers. Though, aside from that, I always found her to be whiny and obnoxious, dim-witted and squeamish despite being constantly referred to as a "Tomboy" (which is only evident in the scene when she's using her bow and fighting off her father.) and as for Eleanor? I couldn't stand how little she took into consideration her daughter's feelings, and it came off like she was being built up to be the film's antagonist. Mor'du was a service level villain and I didn't care too much for him, but the lore surrounding him was interesting. The music is gorgeously composed though, and the animation does show a lot of improvement over the course of the company's history. Overall, it has a lot of flaws but it has small doses of good sprinkled between, even if it's minor. I'll still come back and watch, if not for the Gaelic vocals and the emotional moments when Merida is with her mother as a child.
14:30 I always took that scene as a sign she was straying farther away from being a human; not considering that she should keep wearing the crown and instead focus on bear things. When she struck Merida she had a moment to reflect on what was happening.
Actually the biggest kick to the gonads about the whole marriage thing is that she is given the freedom to not marry and the war doesn't really happen at all! Sure there was a battle but just one. That shows how goddamn poorly they thought out the reason for her to get married.
Hmm. A Disney Princess ranking eh? I best be seeing Nala. Everyone always seems to forget about the one that's both actually royal (glares at Mulan), and fought in a battle after trying to find help for her people.
The fact that this are two movies badly stitched together SHOWS. It looks like originally, there was a great movie here. The movie about the curses and the highlands and the Prince from the past turned into a giant bear now threatening them... That sounds like a big great epic that should be called. "Brave." But then that was deemed too dark.... AFTER animation had already begun, and they quickly stitched on ALL the Disney Cliches to make it more.... profitable... I guess.
It was. The original director, Brenda Chapman (directed Prince of Egypt), had a very different plan for the movie, but was fired and 80% of the movie was remade by the new director, and the title was changed. Brave was given the treatment Justice League and Suicide Squad got (+ Solo, as 80% of that movie was remade after firing original director pair Lord & Miller).
Movies becoming virtually unwatchable on home media and streaming is sadly becoming more common these days. Same thing happened with the 2014 Godzilla movie until WB/Legendary finally fixed it for the 4K release.
My head cannon was always that the witch turned the queen into a bear because that's the only transformation spell she knows. Probably says something that I found exploring that idea with my siblings more interesting that most of the movie.
I remember going to the theater to see this and leaving completely disappointed. All the time I kept thinking "where's the pixar touch in this, a twist, a dark scene, anything"
I think the "dark" scene is supposed to be saved for Mordu since he is effectively a human who has turned into a feral beast. It's especially important to know that he killed his own brothers for the sake of his own pride. Of course, because Mordu doesn't have much screen time, he has little impact on the narrative as a whole. Instead, Pixar decided it would be best to separate it into a short that is only available on the Blu Ray DVD release of Brave, which I think hurts the movie if people do not see it. (Which is likely)
i actually think this movie gets way too much hate i like the use of celtic culture and mythology, i like how the problem is solved with diplomacy rather than fighting, and i think that it really was betrayed by its marketing which set up expectations that were entirely inaccurate TBH i think Lightyear was the worst pixar movie because it was way more empty and frustrating and really just felt like a movie devoid of artistry entirely
This movie did a great job taking the overused "Rebellious Princess" and showing the real world consequences of it as well as what kind of person would be willing to bring them about. Shame they clearly did not mean too do so or do anything else well.
I think it would have been stronger if Eleanor was either killed or made ill severely by Merida. That would have affected Merida much more deeply. And then fix the problem at the end of the film of course.
@@animezilla4486 Elemental looks genuinely fun. It probably won't be in my Top 10, but I don't see anything overtly bad about it, aside from the concept not being too original.
Nathan Zed really made me think: do we enjoy fiction for its' plot or its' vibe? I enjoyed this movie more of its' vibe than its' plot. Overall, I think Pixar should consider doing another princess movie without any studio interference.
All I remember really from watching Brave was thinking about how all the plotlines could have been resolved in 2 minutes if the characters sat down and talked through their misunderstandings.
So I have a conspiracy theory about this, that weirdly also applies to the newer Disney/Pixar movies sans Frozen, and that's that most of the plot feels like its designed to be resolved in a Kingdom Hearts game. A LOT of the newer non-remake Disney movies feel like they're supposed to be in a KH game later down the line, and Disney's been referencing the series more frequently both with the Chip and Dale movie and the new Mickey Mouse shorts.
Even when Toy Story 4 is not perfect, it does actually close the story of Woody pretty well and reconstruct Toy Story message of a toy living for a kid. Still, Klaus deserved the Oscar better
The Good Dinosaur was incredibly mundane but the environments were quite fantastic (hell, even more so than Brave) and honestly the shroom scene alone gave it a star in my book. I still enjoyed Toy Story 4, despite the EXTREME slap in the face ending (though that doesn't mean I like it, it's easily the weakest of the series) But yeah, the movies post Inside Out don't hit as much anymore. I've rewatched some recently, and Soul and Coco were the only ones I truly liked (though I haven't rewatched Finding Dory and Incredibles 2 since I've seen them in theaters years ago :p)
@erick martinez The concept of Toy Story 4 (being an epilogue/addendum for Woody) wasn't beyond salvaging and Pixar/Toy Story-esque, but the execution was abysmal. Look at GamingMagic13's review.
the main problem with Brave and Frozen 2 too is that the princess never have to do any actual sacrifice, they just complain they want things done their way and that it, they get what they want, but thats not what happens in real life, in real life we have to work , we have to make commitments, and sometimes we have to give up of one or two dreams in order to bring the great good in our lifes.
Honestly, I completely forgot this movie even existed. I never even had any interest in this movie when it came out. Edit: I also am a sucker for celtic music. I love Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly.
Do you know how this movie really could have been better? If Merida actually killed her mom. Think of it. This would have opened up a whole new possibility of development. If Merida killed Eleanor then she would have to realize what she had done and eventually cope that her mother will never come back.
@@Catpaw616 The twist with that would be to bring her back to life at the end of the film with magic or something. But Merida realizing consequences to rash actions would have made for a deeper story.
8:50 Considering marriage has been drilled into Merida's head by her mom, it makes sense she would think in those terms even in the most precarious situations. Of course is not a great look for her, especially because she's been struggling to gather any kind of sympathy in parallel with her mom.
OMG I'm not alone. I did not enjoy this movie and everyone else I know loved it and I genuinely don't understand why. I liked the parents (would have preferred a movie about the two of them meeting and falling in love) and the whole time I was watching I was just thinking "Brother Bear did it way better."
The one thing people fall back on when it comes to Brave is, “Merida is a strong, independent young woman!” I’ve watched the film several times, and she moreso comes off as a whiny brat of a teenager who probably would have not batted an eye if that food poisoned her “mum” for real.
Honestly, my biggest problem with Brave is it was too predictable. For example, I called who Mor’du was going to be the instant they mentioned the story about the prince who wanted power and turned into a monster. Then, later, the witch mentions the same prince, so by the time Merida puts two and two together, my reaction is less, ‘Oh, snap! I did *NOT* see that coming!’ and more, ‘Oh, what took you so long?’
I have personally never understood the curse that Ellinor was cursed to have...it turns her into a non-morphic bear yet she still can think and have human emotions yet she can't talk? I don't remember that being part of the spell. I mean if it wasn't for her being able to have a human mind she would be a mostly feral bear. How come Kenai from Brother Bear can talk in Brother Bear but isn't being able to be understood by humans and how come the other animals can talk too?
I was excited for this movie based on the trailers, thinking it was a movie about Merida going on some spiritual/magical quest to change her fate. I thought this because that was what the marketing was implying in the trailers/posters/synopsis. I can clearly see why they left out the part about her mom becoming a bear, as they probably realized how dumb the entire middle of their movie was and decided to not show it. I would have probably preferred a movie about the Demon Bear and how he came to turn on his brothers over this movie.
Over here in Scotland, everyone was excited for this movie just as it was coming out Everyone was so excited for it! That's all I heard at school at the time
@@ExtremeWreck people were excited though?? It was just kinda disappointing
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To those who don't know this movie had a lot of problems during its production, it supposed to be the first Pixar movie written by a woman, but the executives thought the movie had a "feminist" message, which made the woman to be fired and they rewrite the hole thing.
Oh, yeah, this one… I remember watching it on theater, and I remembered only the fight scene between Merida and her mom and the bear transformation scene. There are moments that completely got me off guard looking at it back. Now I understand why this is considered to be Pixar's most forgettable movie (An original one, at least). Quite ironic that it's also their only Princess film (And they know it, otherwise they won’t reference it in Ralph Breaks the Internet).
If you ask me Brave is far from the worst Pixar film. Is it a masterpiece? No. Is it terrible? No. Considering all the crap Pixar has made in the past decade I'd say Brave ranks somewhere in the middle of their entire catalog maybe in C or D tier. If you want something truly awful whose very existence is a crime against humanity look to something like Lightyear or Toy Story 4. Brave on the other hand is just meh.
this Pixar I actually walked out off at the halfway point, the only reason I managed to stay as long was the utterly amazing animation on the horse and Merida's hair.
I'm gonna just go out on a limb here. I'm predicting 200 will either be something people have been wanting or something very controversial like an Animated Atrocities on The Owl House.
I actually have a much better plot for this movie. Merida goes on an adventure to kill Mor’Du. And the bear would be a completely different character. Like someone she meets during her adventure. And with the archery scene showing off how brave she is to everyone before her adventure begins. Have her mother listen to her and let her be who she truly is. And cut the witch out completely. Or if the witch needs to be in the movie maybe have her be in part of the story about the one kingdom that fell into war. Like a part of the story that no one knows if being true or not. And she finds out it is true because the bear she met is actually a human being in a bear’s body. And to break the curse would be the person not mending a bond but remembering who he truly is and accepting who he truly is. And they work together and successfully kill Mor’Du. And once the job is done the bear fully accepts who he truly is and transforms back to human and thanks Merida for helping him understand. They both return to Merida’s kingdom with the fur of Mor’Du and the entire kingdom cheers for her. Her father and mother and three brothers look at the person who she met and she explains everything to them about him. And they humbly accept him as one of their own in the kingdom. The wisps would be her guide like leading to Mor’Du. Like where he’s been or where he currently is now or warning her if he’s near. Oh and put less darkness in the movie.
Believe it or not, I think there could be a sequel to Brave that aims to fix what was flawed, according to what Mr. Enter and many others have pointed out. It worked for producing Cars 3, right? I can see why others praise and adore Brave though. A sequel to Brave can feature improved lighting and a step-up for Merida's character that can make her more likeable.
@SMW5465 Why do you have to be like that to me at the beginning? All I have done was make suggestions on how a sequel to Brave can be a big improvement. And I see the good in Cars 3.
@SMW5465 It’s cool to see the positives of Cars 2. I think Mater’s character progression in the film had some effectiveness too. I have been viewed as an idiot too. I was considered unintelligent a few times in 2022.
If u want a better and shorter version of this movie, watch the Brave short about the backstory to Mordu, the evil bear in this movie. Does everything the movie should've done
Eleanor turned back because Merida finally realized how much her mom meant to her and vice versa. Therefore, patching things up, therefore, "mending the bond," which is what was needed to break the curse. It's not the movie's fault you didn't get that, especially since everyone else did.
That’s just you coping and seething over the shittiness of this film, and the message you claimed to have been mentioned in this film was handled better in Soulcalibur and in One Piece too.
2012 was an odd year: Pixar gave us a cliche princess film while Disney gave us a movie that Pixar would've made
I'm usually pissed off when people call Disney movies "Pixar", but I totally get the confusion with Wreck-It Ralph.
@@reasyrandom Disney absorbed Pixar.
IvoryNK, Disney owns them since late 00s but they distributed Pixar films the entire time. Disney doesn’t micromanage storydecisons and this video should not blame Disney when Pixar here something poor. I bet people don’t credit overall Disney management when Pixar does something great.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 I just stopped thinking of them as separate entities a while ago.
I'm 100% convinced they switched their movies during production.
Can't Disney just admit the Rebellious Princess is no longer a subversion or radical but just a cliche. Seriously, the new subversion is to just have a non-action princess who still uses her smarts and kindness to get through life.
Imo, Dorohedoro has one of the best action female character in the form of Noi,
They can't. That requires awareness.
You know, by that tack, Rapunzel from Tangled is a subversion now, lol. For the most part.
@@Woodenfan yep
@@Woodenfanapunzel was one of the last “girly” female protagonists that was still accountable and competent while not being an obnoxious always correct girl boss that ironically posses traits that are stereotypically associated with the concept of “toxic masculinity”. Almost implying that to be feminine, womanly, and delicate is weakness and it’s more honoring and preferable for a woman to behave like an aggressive cold man to be “strong” and “empowering “. How that isn’t perceived as sexist I will never know.
Worth noting the original director of what became Brave was fired halfway through production and the new directors changed the film a LOT, so the first-draft dialogue thing is probably true, and also explains why nothing makes sense.
And the original inspiration for the movie was the original Director, a mother, and her relationship with her own daughter. By getting rid of her, they also destroyed the emotional foundation.
Wow. Never get into professional animation without thinking twice, then?
This film probably could have been better had the original director stayed for the whole project.
I also think it’s so similar to Disney films like Aladdin and Little Mermaid and typical cliches like Quest for Camelot (not Disney film but mentioned here) because the director was trying to make some commentary on those plots and do it better. But badly failed.
That screams, "Uh Oh"
What’s even sadder is that this was going to be directed by Brenda Chapman, who made The Prince of Egypt.
But she was fired because of creative differences between John Lasseter, and she was replaced by a director who had no idea what he was doing.
I really think there must be a Chapman Cut of this film, because according to the Blu-ray bonuses, they cut out more than 80% of the film, probably after Chapman was let go of.
I really want a Chapman Cut of Brave called The Bear and The Bow, make it a Disney+ series.
Wait what?!! I love the prince of Egypt. I haven't watched it in a while even though I own the VHS of it. Just no way to watch it anymore.
@@Twinklethefox9022 They recently released a remastered 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray of it that looks really great.
@@Twinklethefox9022 There's always streaming services.
@@jlev1028 Disney+ doesn't have it probably.
@@andykishore Is there something I'm missing? No offense meant lol but what would a Dreamworks film be doing on Disney+?
I think one of the biggest sins of this movie was that they barely even focused on Mor'du's backstory, because at least there could've been a thematic reason as to why the queen also turned into a bear. It could tie into the story of Mor'du and how he lost both his family and his humanity. Being the eldest son who's most prominent trait was his power, he was furious to find out that the throne was to be separated between him and his brothers. He felt as if his birthright was taken from him. This resulted in him slicing the stone tablet of him and his brothers, severing his relationship with them. This also ties in with Merida slicing the tapestry of her family and how she almost did the same thing as him. Needing power in order to defeat his three brothers, he turned to the witch and gave up the ring that symbolized his family. With the spell in his hand, he was given the choice to either mend the broken relationship with his younger brothers, or to gain its power to rule over them. He chose the latter, resulting in the literal and figurative loss of his humanity. He accepted the form of the beast, and brought havoc for generations to come, with the descendants of his brothers eventually forming the four clans we saw in the film.
Merida turning her mother into a bear was meant to represent how she forcefully wanted to change the status quo, almost the same way Mor'du did. However, this resulted in the queen almost suffering the same fate as Mor'du. But because they still cared and loved each other, the queen used her newfound strength to stand up to Mor'du and protect her loved ones. In the end, Merida did change her mother, but in a way that mended the relationship of the two. As oppose to Mor'du desire to change how things worked, which only resulted in death, tragedy and the destruction of his family and humanity.
This movie might even have come across as *better* without the Mor'du story, because if they were trying to teach them a lesson about selfishness and severing familial connections, then *Merida* should've turned into a bear, not Eleanor. And I personally would've felt more connection to the material that way. If Pixar REALLY wanted to do the bear thing (even though it was already done better in Brother Bear), Merida should've felt insecure about her lack of interest in the princess duties and asked the witch for a spell to change *her,* not her mother.
The movie could've played out exactly the same after that. And maybe not lean so much on the idea that a war would start if Meroda doesn't get married?? Cause now it seems like the neighboring kingdoms will be pissed later on when they don't have the money or good trading routes because the betrothal didn't go through as promised. 🙄
They just really should've stuck with the angle it was advertised as instead of this garbage. When I saw trailers for this movie on TV, I thought it would be a really cool story about a badass princess who fought bad guys and shot a bow and didn't back down to anyone with a lot of Celtic lore and fairy tale creatures. :( Instead the only fictional creatures we got was Scary Evil Bear Man (which at this point is just an immortal bear) and the Will-O-Wisps which we barely even got a glimpse of.
@@elderlybrunch4169 They turned Mordu's Story into a animated short.
That would be more cohesive. But it wouldn't be a message that I would like. Sometimes, the way that things work actually is terrible and needs to be changed. Arranged marriage was always terrible.
Charizard needs HUGS
They made an entire short on mor'du's backstory
The Oscars choosing this over Wreck-it Ralph should be considered a crime worthy of being tried at The Hague.
Yeah, I think that even most people who LIKED Brave would agree that Wreck it Ralph deserved the Oscar that year instead of it. EVERYONE disliked that.
@@foxtoons1999 definitely
@@foxtoons1999 You speak Truth.
The only reason why Brave won the Best Animated Feature Oscar was because the Academy Voters tend to be like aimless sheep, always voting for anything with the Pixar name, regardless of quality. I agree that Wreck It Ralph should have won, but it lost for the same reasons The Social Network lost to The King's Speech. Academy Voters without any common sense, who don't even bother to watch all the nominees at that time.
Any movie that can make Roger Ebert change his mind about an entire goshdarn MEDIUM OF ENTERTAINMENT is worthy of praise.
Sequel was hot garbage tho.
So it turns out that they (the studio) had a woman director that wanted a focus on the mother daughter aspect but mid-way in the development of the film she was let go. The movie was rework and we got the current "Brave" movie.
There's a TH-camr here that did an hour long analysis and included the behind the scenes and why it went wrong.
Another TH-camr talks abouts what's the possible folktale the movie may have based on.
In the end, the movie was a Frankenstein movie that was done poorly.
Is the channel eliquorice?
This movie had a girl director replaced with a boy director, both with two completely different visions for this movie.
The mother daughter stuff was the weakest part of the movie, you really need to know what you are doing to make it work, so I would also have fired the old director, but the staff at the end only worked around what was already done instead of completely reworking the film, just like they did with Toy Story 2.
@@schris3 really? For me it seemed to be the strongest part. It`s what I remember this movie most for 😅 what do you think was the strongest part? :)
@@andykishoremoral of story. Don't let men write anything involving a woman (half the time)
And yet Wreck-It-Ralph lost an Oscar over this
@@michaelg4981 Yeah, and people complain to Encanto winning over Mitchels vs Machines.
At least Encanto was good
It's Shark Tale all over again
@@AkameGaKillfan777 At least Shark Tale didn't win that Oscar.
Don't sleep on ParaNorman. I just want Laika to win an Oscar once.
And this film got nominated over From Up on Poppy Hill.
Poppy Hill is very underrated, and I loved it even more than Wreck-It Ralph.
The whole thing of the princess nearly starting a war due to her selfishness can best be summed up by Enter's best quote: "Think through your implications"
Also... it wasn't original either (though I try to forget that Mulan II exists).
What video what that quote on?
@@cosmicspacething3474 On several, but I think it was on his It's a Wishful Life Fairly Oddparents review
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Also any of his videos mentioning Powerpuff Girls 2016.
Then it almost came back in that 2010's Worst Cartoons episode in the form of "maybe you should think this through."
I actually liked brave and honestly can you blame Merida for not wanting to marry I still think Merida fits the bill for a gay or asexual Disney princess better then elsa
The comparison between Brother Bear and Brave on the bear transformation is on point. The main problem is that Brave has a lack of symbolism
In Brother Bear, the Bear is specifically stated, represents "love," and when Kenai gets this spirit totem, he hates it. Only after he turns into the Bear does he develop a "brotherly" love for Koda and pushes pass his hatred for bears.
In Brave there's no clear indication of what the bear is supposed to represent despite appearing all throughout the movie, which is why Elinor turning into a bear seems to have no meaning outside of the irony that her husband is bear killer.
It’s clearly supposed to represent the loss of humanity that occurs when you let the important relationships in your life deteriorate over dumb stuff, and understanding each other’s point of view.
@@alexandersavage305 how do bears represent that, though
You know, contrasting Aladdin and Brave like this REALLY makes me appreciate Aladdin’s animation so much more. You really don’t see animated films with this much color anymore. It’s not only well-animated, it’s well lit and very vibrant.
The one thing I can give Brave credit for, was that it helped advance Pixar’s technology. Particularly the hair physics.
also it inspired a lot of films with it.
It made me proud of my curls and it was nice seeing Scottish representation. That’s literally it. All it gave us lmzo
That's not exactly saying much. It seems like the weakest Pixar films always have one aspect about it that's talked about and nothing else. In this movie's case, it was the hair.
Kenai turned into a bear because of his totem. His totem was a bear, which was the totem of 'love' and he dismissed that notion so he turns into a bear to learn the value of love. The bear he killed was just an animal to him, a beast some might say. So he turns into a bear to learn that bears were just as alive as he was and were affected by what he did.
There were multiple reasons for a bear specifically but the main one was in fact his totem and learning to value love moreso than the bear he killed.
Yes. 100 percent.
I think the shot of the crown was supposed to show that the mother had lost her human mind and left the crown behind. Because she always took the Crown with her even as a bear, the fact that she left it behind showed the audience that something was wrong.
I suppose it was pretty Brave for Pixar to make a movie this "unique", so the name is rather fitting.
The bootleg ripoff movie "Kiara the Brave" has a more fitting title than this, and that movie was literally made just to cash in on whatever popularity this one may have gotten
Still can’t believe they kicked off one of the directors of the freaking prince of Egypt from this film, pretty much ripping it away from its potential.
Practically? No, it DID rip the film away from its potential. Apparently original director Brenda Chapman based it on her own relationship with her daughter. Firing her meant the film lost its emotional core -- especially because a LOT of her work was cut and rewritten by the new director. Shameful.
Practically? No, it did kill the potential of this film.
@@Soufriere84 Ah, the old Joss Whedon treatment.
Looks like I get to call you out for once. That's NOT how you use the word "practically."
@@Double-R-NothingIf I were Brenda Chapman, I would want to go uncredited or be credited as Alan Smithee or something.
I liked it honestly. My biggest issue was how poorly advertised it was. I really thought it would be very different from what we got.
You and everybody else. I was NOT impressed by the whole twist with the bear.
@@TheAeroAvatar go cry a river
Same. None of the interesting stuff happens until the very end. I remember it takes a while for even the mom to turn into a bear.
Agree. It was terribly advertised for the product it was. Maybe people wouldn't be so harsh on it if the expectation was never "omg this is Pixar doing Lord of the Rings!"
@@Twinklethefox9022 TheMysteriousMrEnter actually points out Brave's bad advertising and brings up a very good point at 6:11. The poster and most of the advertising portrays Merida using her bow and arrow, but very little of the actual movie shows Merida using her bow.
To be fair, when I first saw the movie. I thought the shot of the crown was meant to convey that Eleanor was slowly losing her humanity. For someone who holds their role as a queen in such high esteem, a crown would be very important to her since it is a symbol of what she once was.
Her leaving behind that crown was meant to show the audience that her losing her crown was meant to convey that she was losing the one thing remained of her once human form.
That's true. After all without it she looks like a regular bear.
THIS, I'm not sure how he missed that
I picked up on that too.
Was about to leave this exact comment. This honestly came off to me as something related to MrEnter's autism. Instead of considering the emotions of the character, in relation to the crown, he instead just assumes the crown is entirely a tool and utility.
@BurnBird1 I don't know how much his Aspergers played a role in this mistake. This is coming someone who has Aspergers himself.
I was, originally, really interested in this film, as it _looked_ like it would be a Ghibli-style Pixar film, set amongst a Scottish mythology backdrop. That sounds *_awesome,_* especially when you consider some of the horrifying monstrosities in Scottish mythology. There’s _so_ much you could do in that kind of setting.
And we got this. What a crock.
Anything even CLOSE to that would be better than this.
look up cartoon saloon to fill your void
@@flickcentergaming680 idk i thought the movie was pretty good maybe im missing something
There is a monster beaver in Scottish mythology. That's awesome!
Even though it’s Irish, Cartoon Saloon’s films are the better versions of Brave.
Here’s a little story. This film had a very troubled production. It first started out as a project called The Bear and The Bow (which i think is a much better title) and was gonna be directed by Brenda Chapman, which would’ve made it the first Pixar film with a female director. But there was a lot of creative differences between her and the studio. This ultimately led to Chapman being removed from the project. Mark Andrews then took over and became the new director. He then had the story heavily reworked and rewritten. The title of the film was then changed to Brave
I'm glad I'm not the only one here....I found Merida to be the most selfish Disney princess of them all. Jasmine didn't want to be forced to be betrothed because she wanted to marry for love and that wasn't something that'd hurt anyone. Especially after she already fell in love with Aladdin. Hell, even in the remake, they show more of her having a concern for her people and not wanting to marry a corrupt idiot, and also loving Aladdin. And in both versions, she greatly loved her father. Merida all too willingly went to use a potion on her mother which nearly permanently turned her into a bear. She seemed way too eager to risk that and that selfishness was sickening. And I know the mother was also selfish, but she was doing it for her people, and following the tradition she grew up with, and Merida had hardly any regard for what a potion from a stranger could do to her. She isn't portrayed to be super naïve either so it comes across as cruel. She's an awful person who didn't care about her people or her mother until what, the end of the movie? I saw it recently with my mother and we both felt the same--very uncomfortable at how little regard she showed for using a potion on her mom. Her mom did look like she's straight up dying and Merida would say things like, "are you going to change your mind about me being betrothed?"
It honestly it gets worse the more you think about it. Never mind her turning her mother into a bear, because that was an accident. Her true intention behind giving her mother the potion was far more wicked. She basically tried to use magic to rob her mother of her free-will in order to have her way. What other Disney characters have done something like that?
Agree. It's no wonder why I find Merida to be my most despised Disney princess, and also shows how Pixar, despite their innovation, actually isn't that good in creating princess films unlike its parent company Disney. I honestly didn't get why Merida received so much praise for breaking away from the stereotypes of other Disney Princesses before her when her film came out, when in all honesty, Disney already had created a "badass princess" already and had done it right via Fa Mulan from Disney's "Mulan" back in 1998.
@@cartooncritique6625 It wasn't just so she could have her way. She wanted her mom to accept her for who she was because her mom was trying to turn her into someone she wasn't. Yes I know that during that time period women were expected to be a certain way but still.
@@kingandrewcecil348 They probably just wanted to show that not all princesses need a prince.
@@yogalover2753 Yes, and her mother did need to be taken to task for that, but that doesn't change that Merida's methods were still borderline evil, and I feel like the movie never fully addresses that fact.
The best part about this movie is the big brawl between all the clans. And the end, of course.
@@maxmeidl4909 I hate to admit it, but I actually enjoy Cars 2. I've always hated Brave, even when I was young. I enjoy Cars 2 despite its flaws. But Brave's flaws are so numerous that I couldn't enjoy it.
The thing with Brave that annoys me is Scotland's monarchy was not passed down in the way they show it like the English or French monarchies.
They are a tanistry which means the crown flips to the other side of the family
So the triplets would technically be heirs to the throne anyway, which makes Merida complaining all the more annoying because she's not even in line for it.
I just remember sitting in the theater and halfway through the film I just thought to myself 'seriously, this is all they're doing'
I can remember it too there where only 2 People in the entire Theater with me 😂
I understand why Brave is terrible, but personally, I think Toy Story 4 is Pixar’s worst film. It not only has a bad story, but gladly shits over the original trilogy of Toy Story and destroys the characters of the original.
I couldn't agree more
Actually is more of a deconstruction of that idea, and give a pretty indeep sight of what a toy could do when they don't have an owner or their owner doesn't like them.
Pretty week compare dto the other ones, yes, but I still think is a solid Toy Story sequel.
I recommend to watch Schaffrilar Pixar Rankong for more further analysis
Also Toy Story 4 was delayed over Incredibles 2, i'll never forgive TS4 for that
@@Lucios1995 Off topic but I love your pfp
Nah TS4 gets so much hate, it’s nothing spectacular but it’s okay
Just while listening to this, I had an idea for how to improve that one specific aspect of Cars 2.
Have a scene where Mater meets another vehicle who seems to have a similar personality to him, they hit it off because Mater is still mad at Lightning at this point. The other guy gives him some good advice to reconcile. Then it's revealed he's the American spy and just really likes using the country bumpkin persona in cover. This fixes 3 things.
1. If this specific agent has a reputation for the country bumpkin mask being used a lot, it makes since the other spies wouldn't immediately sense something is wrong.
2. It furthers Mater's subplot with Lightning.
3. It gives him a better reason to stick the beacon on Mater right before being grabbed and kidnapped, since he knows him and knows he at least has a good heart. Maybe their conversation went to Mater's work with lemons and the spy figured he might be helpful in this.
Ooh, that would've been great!
Good ideas! :03
I knew this film would blow when the trailer dropped.
There is no way you can do Celtic/Gaelic mythology without a ton of fighting, blood, gore, and drinking. Seriously, look up some of the myths, they make a shonen anime look tame.
Yet somehow Disney looked at this culture and said, "how about a tame mother daughter conflict where the only deadly thing is a semi-magical, deadly bear and arrows are fired maybe, six or seven times.
My dude alot of us Scots were disappointed that it was basically a terrible Scottish "Brother bear" when our history & mythology is fucking insane.
That kind of reminds me of how, back in the late 90's, Disney was going to do an animated film set in 1970's/Disco Era New York City featuring animals. They then scrapped the idea when they did some research and realized that there was NO WAY they could make a movie in that setting and also make it family-friendly.
Wait, how about Disney's Hercules? We all know Greek mythology was a lot more bloody and sexually explicit like God of War, but to this day that film is still enjoyable...
@@cardboardbox5704 Hydra fight, you literally get to see Hercules decapitate the Hydra then cut to the stump bulge and sprout two new heads, ending with Hercules getting eaten and having to cut his way out. Same with the Boar in the montage, Hercules fires arrow, we get to travel with the arrow, right before the boar gets head shot, hard cut to vase depicting Hercules serving it to the city on a platter.
The problem with Brave isn't that they aren't 100% accurate, its that they didn't even try to display any of the mythology except the Will-o-wisps tenatively. You could set this movie in just about any period, with any european culture and not much changes. The witch is generic enough, the story is generic enough, the only thing even holding it to Celtic mythology is the characters design, accents, and Wisps which could easily be exchanged for generic magical help for them to break the curse.
My frustration is that they wasted so much potential setting it in a fantastical version of Scotland. So much mythology they could draw upon
Here's a problem I always had with the film. I always felt like Merida had an easy solution to all her problems. She could've just said "I like riding horses, shooting bows, and not wearing corsets. I will marry the prince who has absolutely no problem with me doing all those things". It seems like she would have more freedom living with her new husband than she does living with her Mom. All her suitors did seem pretty feeble, so she was likely to wear the pants in any of those relationships. Yes, she's still marrying a man she doesn't love, but the film put way more emphasis on her lack of freedom than it did on that aspect.
Fair enough. But hey, teenagers, right?
However she was being forced into marrying the 3 individuals she had no choice in the matter that what the problem was its not what she was wanting it was very clear the mother was also trying to change her to be a certain way. This is why she went for her own hand. The mom was very dismissive of her daughter. Yea Merida complained a lot but can you blame her when she has no say in anything whatsoever that even a war could break out that is a lot to have on your shoulders and to be forced to be mislabel and lose her freedom to. It wasn't an easy solution. It was very clear she didn't love them and to be forced to marry someone you don't love and have all you like taken away isn't living. You are basically a prisoner with being allowed to look pretty but nothing.
@@dracophoenixttv Its called dutty. I know this generation cant understand the fact that in the past, royalty would marry for alliance and to keep their nation safe and not go to war. I know the sense of "Sacrifice" is foreign to a selfish generation but sometimes you have to think further than "I want to be happy". Thats what it means to be in position of leadership. You do it because of duty not because you want it.
Pretty sure if you lived during these times youll be mad to learn that your princess doesnt want to get marry to such and such man cause she's looking for "love", and thus sending you and the kingdom into a war that could have been avoided. But because we live in a different time, its easy to judge these people and talk about "love" and not wanting to be a princess.
And its not just girl being married like that, princes to were married for alliance and peace between kingdoms.
@@mrbob4104 Oh brother...
By that same logic, the draft was legal. As was slavery. Forcing somebody into something, whether marriage, labor or going to fight and die for a war that does NOT affect them is wrong no matter how you spin it. I'll happily take 21st Century 'selfishness' over being a slave to the machine as you suggest. And the government has a duty to give it's civilians rights. The people do not have a duty to prop up that government's goals diplomatically or militarily. Their only 'duty' should be to their own people, not to a king or country.
Fuck right off with that shit.
I think it's clear what the statement is. "Don't be stupid and turn your mother into a bear".
I know this might sound weird, but your brand of negativity really brightens up my day, Mr. Enter.
I like that he doesn't scream his head off like in his old videos 😅
I kind of appreciate that Enter doesn't always go along with what's popular. Like his Extra Credits Orcs video. Extra Credits might be channeling through popular Twitter discourse in pointing out how certain fictional depictions are bigoted.
Enter points out how self-congratulatory, arrogant, straw-manny, dumb, and damaging this kind of discourse and mindset is.
Sometimes, it's hearing someone screaming at something you hate that you need to brighten your day.
Atleast he's giving the movie the business
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying my stuff
The one tiny bit of detail I did like was one of the sons that was competing for Merida's hand in marriage had a running joke where he talked in an incredibly thick accent. The bit that interested me was that Pixar told the actor to speak gibberish in a Scottish accent, but the actor (who was a northeast Scottish native) said "Actually, I'll just speak my native tongue instead" so if you listen to his lines carefully, his lines does fit the dialogue.
In fact, the casting is one of the few things I would give Brave credit for, it's full of talented Scottish actors like Billy Connelly and Robbie Coltraine (RIP) with a few British ones who do their best with such a weak script. While Disney is known nowadays for casting actors who are close to or part of the culture their films take place in (i.e. Moana, Coco, Encanto), before Brave they didn't really do that with rare exceptions like Mulan.
Yeah, that was my favorite too. I didn't know Robbie Coltraine was in this! The casting and the soundtrack were both really good.
Apparently the director of this film was arbitrarily fired and replaced halfway through production, which is part of the reason it's so disjointed
Wait, really!? Lmao Why did he get fired?
@@BlackWingedSeraphX she actually.the director was a she,but eventually was replaced by a man. I believe it was for creative diffrences,at least that is what i recall since she doesn't really talk about it much.
The Brave/Rise of the Brave Tangled Frozen Dragons fanbase: YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE!!!
I am still pissed off that this shit won an Oscar over Wreck-It-Ralph.
Hot take: brother bear isn't a bad movie, although objectively it's decent at best
I don’t believe that’s a really hot take. Pretty sure most people think that way about brother bear
I feel like everyone thinks that.
I still love the movie, and I don’t care how many flaws it has.
@@gatewoodanimations9753 the one flaw that many seem to think is kenai being turned into a bear because unlike the princess and the frog (even though that's a good movie too) and especially brave, I felt like kenai needed to be turned into a bear for the story to work yet many digress
@@gokublack9724 Yes! I don’t like how people think Kenai turning into a bear was unnecessary when it 100% was. His totem was a bear and he killed a bear so he was put into a bears shoes and learn how to love.
The flaws I am thinking about are more about the second act tonal shift and the confession scene. And even tho I do Understand their frustrations and I somewhat agree, those two flaws don’t stop me from loving the movie. To me all the positives outweigh the negatives by a long shot
I love that film!
Still one of my favorite Disney films 20 years later
Why Brave is how it is is because the original director was fired and the replacement didn’t know what he was doing. You’d be almost GUARANTEED to like this movie if that original director could finish the job
I'm surprised John (Enter) didn't point that out, because IIRC he does in other films with troubled productions
@@Soufriere84 I see several comments on here pointing out Brave's change in directors, probably TheMysteriousMrEnter fails to mention that trivial, but very noteworthy fact in the actual video itself.
I am not a Brave fan, in fact I greatly detest it, but there's no way I'd say it's worse than The Good Dinosaur. The TH-camr *eliquorice* actually does a good job showing how the archery contest scene is done extremely well.
I disagree that the corset makes Eleanor looked detached, or at the very least, her being detached makes her look awful. Merida is going through the same thing Eleanor had to go through meaning Eleanor would know the pain Merida is feeling but as the queen she's expecting Merida to grin and bare it like she did. Also in that exact scene, we see Eleanor let the queen mask slip a bit because seeing her daughter properly dressed brings up maternal instincts. She instinctively wanted to nurture Merida but held it in.
Merida's dad is so fun but then her mom is a complete wet blanket, but that could also be fun, for her to be a real played up prim and proper lady or something, but they were wishy washy about it and tried to make the mom's traits seem good. Now there's plenty to being polite and elegant and the good that it can do, but they were taking a negative stereotype and, without understanding the positives that that stereotype comes from, tried to make the negatives seem positive.
I remember being somewhat annoyed when the announcement was made that Merida became part of the Princess line, because I remembered that Disney initially had a rule that movies from other studios Disney owned were not to be represented in the line seeing as Brave is not produced by Disney Animation but by Pixar. The line originally had a criteria saying that no CGI characters were to be added yet Tangled broke that rule.
Elinor was annoying to me.
Also, "awful and detached as possible" describes her better than I can (Plus,her becoming a bear made her quiet, soooooooo that's a plus for me)
The fact that this was a replacement of another Pixar Movie called Newt, which is their ONLY cancelled movie, makes me very sad because Newt looked better than Brave (even if it did look like Rio, but with Newts)
"I suppose a princess just does what she's told!" Unironically yes! Most nobles were supposed to do what the king told them to do. That's also the only reason your dad was able to stop the lords from literally going to war with each other!
I guess Mr Enter did not know that Brave was based on the fairy tale Rose-Red, of the Snow-White and Rose-Red fame. Does it help the plot make sense? No. Does it explain ... anything? Somewhat. At least it was not a romance.
The original Grimm fairytale is miles (or should I say kilometers) better than this slog. This movie had potential to actually be good and it was wasted
@@ChildofChrist1983 I agree. I'm honestly sick of adaptations conflating it with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, it's a perfectly good story all on its own.
@@reasyrandom And we wouldn’t even have the theme parks or Disney Animation if Walt Disney himself didn’t risk all he had to bring us the original classic movie. Walt was never about the money, but family. Disney as a whole is a shell of what it once was and all it represented. And now, Pixar is falling down that same hole with its woke and gay agenda garbage. Walt Disney was hardly a saint, but at the end of the day, he was humble and knew what mattered. All this modern trash is just an insult on him and his legacy as well as our childhoods. And other places are no better these days. It’s why I’ve all but given up on modern media and modern entertainment as a whole, say for a few exceptions. Classics are classics for a reason, whether it’s storybooks or music or movies or shows, and they deserve far more love and attention than the slop we have now. I’m not just saying all this as an 80s baby and a Christian, but as a person. And it’s time people wake up and realize and remember what REAL quality entertainment is. Thankfully, some people are, what with all these remakes and forced trans/gay/woke agendas and endings and such. But some is hardly enough
I always thought it didn't make much sense for Merida to be given in marriage; the marriage was supposed to bring peace between the clans, but if you give the princess royal to one clan, that just means one clan would have a connection to royalty that the other ones lack, which would create imbalance between them. It would have made more sense for Merida's brothers to be be married to daughters from each clan, since there are three princes and three clans. Merida could have become queen after Fergus and kept the royal line going.
Honestly, when I first saw this film in 2012, it really reminded me of the kind of movie you'd expect from Dreamworks at the time.
I kind of mourn what this movie was supposed to be based on the original director's vision.
How is this dream works this is a pitiful attempt at classic Disney
@coachcherokee1488 mainly the humor reminded me. Shrek the third had come out not long before this; to their credit DreamWorks has evolved significantly since
It makes me feel angry the fact that dark scenes that can be at the same time fully visible has been solved years ago
The lord of the rings
Many mayor scenes take place at night, but to keep everything in view, they just use dark blue
THAT IS IT
blue instead of black and your night scene is both dark and visible
I didn't even notice until someone in tiktok point it out
I'm 50/50 on Brave. I think the voice acting, despite being insufferable at times is delivered well and portrays the emotions of each character perfectly. The characters are a whole other story though: I liked how wild and loud her father was, but I knew that a lot of the film's humour would centre around stereotypes surrounding the clans, which were a little tasteless, to say the least. Merida, for what she's worth, has at least one defining moment in the movie that shows that she's changed over the course of the movie, and that's the scene in the Great Hall when she's able to break up all the fighting between the clans, and encourages the sons to make their own choices too, rather than be forced into an arranged marriage by their fathers. Though, aside from that, I always found her to be whiny and obnoxious, dim-witted and squeamish despite being constantly referred to as a "Tomboy" (which is only evident in the scene when she's using her bow and fighting off her father.) and as for Eleanor? I couldn't stand how little she took into consideration her daughter's feelings, and it came off like she was being built up to be the film's antagonist. Mor'du was a service level villain and I didn't care too much for him, but the lore surrounding him was interesting. The music is gorgeously composed though, and the animation does show a lot of improvement over the course of the company's history. Overall, it has a lot of flaws but it has small doses of good sprinkled between, even if it's minor. I'll still come back and watch, if not for the Gaelic vocals and the emotional moments when Merida is with her mother as a child.
Yeah, not to mention that Mor'du was too strong and scary for anyone to handle, so we never saw him again lol.
14:30 I always took that scene as a sign she was straying farther away from being a human; not considering that she should keep wearing the crown and instead focus on bear things. When she struck Merida she had a moment to reflect on what was happening.
The crown is a symbol of her humanity, as without it, she looks like a regular bear.
Wonder if he'd do a Toy Story 4 review. Cause if I'm being honest, that movie completely ruined the trilogy.
Depends on what his opinion is on Toy Story 4.
Actually the biggest kick to the gonads about the whole marriage thing is that she is given the freedom to not marry and the war doesn't really happen at all! Sure there was a battle but just one. That shows how goddamn poorly they thought out the reason for her to get married.
Hmm. A Disney Princess ranking eh?
I best be seeing Nala.
Everyone always seems to forget about the one that's both actually royal (glares at Mulan), and fought in a battle after trying to find help for her people.
The fact that this are two movies badly stitched together SHOWS. It looks like originally, there was a great movie here. The movie about the curses and the highlands and the Prince from the past turned into a giant bear now threatening them... That sounds like a big great epic that should be called. "Brave."
But then that was deemed too dark.... AFTER animation had already begun, and they quickly stitched on ALL the Disney Cliches to make it more.... profitable... I guess.
It was. The original director, Brenda Chapman (directed Prince of Egypt), had a very different plan for the movie, but was fired and 80% of the movie was remade by the new director, and the title was changed.
Brave was given the treatment Justice League and Suicide Squad got (+ Solo, as 80% of that movie was remade after firing original director pair Lord & Miller).
Movies becoming virtually unwatchable on home media and streaming is sadly becoming more common these days. Same thing happened with the 2014 Godzilla movie until WB/Legendary finally fixed it for the 4K release.
My head cannon was always that the witch turned the queen into a bear because that's the only transformation spell she knows. Probably says something that I found exploring that idea with my siblings more interesting that most of the movie.
I actually like this movie. I don’t think it’s Pixar’s strongest work but it’s still enjoyable. I really like the music.
Same! I mean, it's not on the levels of Ratatouille or WALL-E for sure, but I enjoy it.
@Sharpester I liked lightyear but even I can admit the movie definitely wasn't their best. I kinda want to give Brave another chance.
I remember going to the theater to see this and leaving completely disappointed. All the time I kept thinking "where's the pixar touch in this, a twist, a dark scene, anything"
I think the "dark" scene is supposed to be saved for Mordu since he is effectively a human who has turned into a feral beast.
It's especially important to know that he killed his own brothers for the sake of his own pride.
Of course, because Mordu doesn't have much screen time, he has little impact on the narrative as a whole. Instead, Pixar decided it would be best to separate it into a short that is only available on the Blu Ray DVD release of Brave, which I think hurts the movie if people do not see it. (Which is likely)
@@nekonomicon2983 hey thanks for the tip, i'll see if i can see it on disney+
i actually think this movie gets way too much hate i like the use of celtic culture and mythology, i like how the problem is solved with diplomacy rather than fighting, and i think that it really was betrayed by its marketing which set up expectations that were entirely inaccurate
TBH i think Lightyear was the worst pixar movie because it was way more empty and frustrating and really just felt like a movie devoid of artistry entirely
There you go, there's the silver lining: at least it's not "Lightyear"
I didn't think it was horrible, not great, but not bad. Just okay.
@@DragonGoddess18and?
@SIMBA-tq2ch And that's not a good retort. That's like dismissing all criticism against Biden by saying, "At least he's not Trump."
@@jlev1028 oh great, now the comments are going to devolve into a political argument
This movie did a great job taking the overused "Rebellious Princess" and showing the real world consequences of it as well as what kind of person would be willing to bring them about. Shame they clearly did not mean too do so or do anything else well.
I think it would have been stronger if Eleanor was either killed or made ill severely by Merida. That would have affected Merida much more deeply. And then fix the problem at the end of the film of course.
I don't especially like Brave but I don't think it's the worst Pixar movie. That would probably be Cars 2 or Lightyear
I encourage are you looking forward to the upcoming movie elements
Agreed
@@animezilla4486 Elemental looks genuinely fun. It probably won't be in my Top 10, but I don't see anything overtly bad about it, aside from the concept not being too original.
What about Bug's Life? It is so boring, I frequently forget it exists.
I feel Cars 2, Lightyear, and Good Dinosaur are definitely worse than Brave
Nathan Zed really made me think: do we enjoy fiction for its' plot or its' vibe? I enjoyed this movie more of its' vibe than its' plot. Overall, I think Pixar should consider doing another princess movie without any studio interference.
"Doesn't want to get married even though a war will break out if she doesn't"
Wow, it also ripped off Mulan 2!
I'm guessing it's more so anti forced marriage, but it doesn't really get addressed
I remember really liking Brave back when it came out. Rewatching it now, I think it's because I love the sound of Kelly MacDonald's voice.
I used to like it because the trailers sold me on a completely different movie.
Personally, Lightyear was way worse for me. At least I could sit through Brave. Lightyear was so boring, I couldn't even finish watching it.
Budlightyear yeah the movie lie to us
I couldt sit through this either
All I remember really from watching Brave was thinking about how all the plotlines could have been resolved in 2 minutes if the characters sat down and talked through their misunderstandings.
So I have a conspiracy theory about this, that weirdly also applies to the newer Disney/Pixar movies sans Frozen, and that's that most of the plot feels like its designed to be resolved in a Kingdom Hearts game. A LOT of the newer non-remake Disney movies feel like they're supposed to be in a KH game later down the line, and Disney's been referencing the series more frequently both with the Chip and Dale movie and the new Mickey Mouse shorts.
Reminds me of a Family Guy cutaway gag:
“Pixar. We’re not even a guaranteed home run anymore.”
I forgot how “unbearable” Brave was
....You couldn't resist, could you?
Ba dum tsss
Get out. ;)
boo!👍
*spawning Bears*
I only saw Brave once, when I was having a low mood episode, and all I really remember is the song. That, and the Pixar Theory.
IDK. These days the quality of Pixar has dropped further and further. I'd say their worst film is either Good Dinosaur or Toy Story 4.
Even when Toy Story 4 is not perfect, it does actually close the story of Woody pretty well and reconstruct Toy Story message of a toy living for a kid.
Still, Klaus deserved the Oscar better
The Good Dinosaur was incredibly mundane but the environments were quite fantastic (hell, even more so than Brave) and honestly the shroom scene alone gave it a star in my book. I still enjoyed Toy Story 4, despite the EXTREME slap in the face ending (though that doesn't mean I like it, it's easily the weakest of the series)
But yeah, the movies post Inside Out don't hit as much anymore. I've rewatched some recently, and Soul and Coco were the only ones I truly liked (though I haven't rewatched Finding Dory and Incredibles 2 since I've seen them in theaters years ago :p)
@erick martinez The concept of Toy Story 4 (being an epilogue/addendum for Woody) wasn't beyond salvaging and Pixar/Toy Story-esque, but the execution was abysmal. Look at GamingMagic13's review.
@@pranavrao6370the review is good I just wish it was only 2-3 hours instead of 6
Pixar has been going downhill in the past decade.
Brave is the laziest name for a movie
Fun Fact: This movie was originally going to be called “The Bear and The Bow”. But it was changed to Brave at the last minute
Honestly that seems to be a trend these days!
A lot of Disney movie names are lazy I mean CARS AND PLANES?!
@@zim._hates_dib that's what I'm saying!
@@zim._hates_dib But at least with those two you're given what the title says!
Merida isn't really brave…
7:50
this family portrait was an Easter egg in Cars 2 in the bar where Grem And Acer crash into and get beaten to a pulp.
the main problem with Brave and Frozen 2 too is that the princess never have to do any actual sacrifice, they just complain they want things done their way and that it, they get what they want, but thats not what happens in real life, in real life we have to work , we have to make commitments, and sometimes we have to give up of one or two dreams in order to bring the great good in our lifes.
Elsa didn’t really complain. She was just eager I guess
Honestly, I completely forgot this movie even existed. I never even had any interest in this movie when it came out.
Edit: I also am a sucker for celtic music. I love Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly.
Mr. Enter: Brave is Pixar's worst film
Lightyear: *I'm a joke for you?*
I don't care what he says, Cars 2 is way worse.
@@pundertalefan4391 Ah yeah, now I remember that Cars 2 was so out of the place for the first and third films.
@@thelxguy9101 I know, right? Cars 3 should've been Cars 2.
No
@@pundertalefan4391at least car2 was entertaining
Do you know how this movie really could have been better?
If Merida actually killed her mom. Think of it. This would have opened up a whole new possibility of development. If Merida killed Eleanor then she would have to realize what she had done and eventually cope that her mother will never come back.
Eh that seems too dark for a Pixar film
@@Catpaw616 The twist with that would be to bring her back to life at the end of the film with magic or something. But Merida realizing consequences to rash actions would have made for a deeper story.
8:50 Considering marriage has been drilled into Merida's head by her mom, it makes sense she would think in those terms even in the most precarious situations. Of course is not a great look for her, especially because she's been struggling to gather any kind of sympathy in parallel with her mom.
Worst film? Very strong words when Cars 2 and The Good Dinosaur exist
Edit: I stand corrected
OMG I'm not alone. I did not enjoy this movie and everyone else I know loved it and I genuinely don't understand why. I liked the parents (would have preferred a movie about the two of them meeting and falling in love) and the whole time I was watching I was just thinking "Brother Bear did it way better."
The one thing people fall back on when it comes to Brave is, “Merida is a strong, independent young woman!”
I’ve watched the film several times, and she moreso comes off as a whiny brat of a teenager who probably would have not batted an eye if that food poisoned her “mum” for real.
I loved the aesthetic of this film
and that’s about it…
birb
yes birb :3
It was missing Phil Collins singing “Mother Bear, I let ya down.”
Damn... That Kiara reference was a deep cut.
This sure was a movie that existed.
Honestly, my biggest problem with Brave is it was too predictable. For example, I called who Mor’du was going to be the instant they mentioned the story about the prince who wanted power and turned into a monster. Then, later, the witch mentions the same prince, so by the time Merida puts two and two together, my reaction is less, ‘Oh, snap! I did *NOT* see that coming!’ and more, ‘Oh, what took you so long?’
Thank you.
I have personally never understood the curse that Ellinor was cursed to have...it turns her into a non-morphic bear yet she still can think and have human emotions yet she can't talk? I don't remember that being part of the spell. I mean if it wasn't for her being able to have a human mind she would be a mostly feral bear. How come Kenai from Brother Bear can talk in Brother Bear but isn't being able to be understood by humans and how come the other animals can talk too?
I was excited for this movie based on the trailers, thinking it was a movie about Merida going on some spiritual/magical quest to change her fate. I thought this because that was what the marketing was implying in the trailers/posters/synopsis. I can clearly see why they left out the part about her mom becoming a bear, as they probably realized how dumb the entire middle of their movie was and decided to not show it. I would have probably preferred a movie about the Demon Bear and how he came to turn on his brothers over this movie.
To be honest, I didn't hate this movie.
Your dumb
Over here in Scotland, everyone was excited for this movie just as it was coming out
Everyone was so excited for it! That's all I heard at school at the time
Aye exited's the word, & then we a' watched it. Disappointment's the word
@@Saedraverse where abouts are you fae?
@@Saedraverse never seen someone type like you
I guess nobody there was excited for their own CGI movie, Sir Billi.
@@ExtremeWreck people were excited though??
It was just kinda disappointing
To those who don't know this movie had a lot of problems during its production, it supposed to be the first Pixar movie written by a woman, but the executives thought the movie had a "feminist" message, which made the woman to be fired and they rewrite the hole thing.
No. It was only because the Director had control disputes with Pixar. While it was wrong for her to be fired, it was not some kind of gender thing
@NTF Operative I see, i said that based in a video i saw years ago and i didn't really look up if that's true or not
Oh, yeah, this one… I remember watching it on theater, and I remembered only the fight scene between Merida and her mom and the bear transformation scene. There are moments that completely got me off guard looking at it back.
Now I understand why this is considered to be Pixar's most forgettable movie (An original one, at least).
Quite ironic that it's also their only Princess film (And they know it, otherwise they won’t reference it in Ralph Breaks the Internet).
Not a princess movie but I think Hercules is really underrated. Like it's in my top 5 disney movies rn.
If you ask me Brave is far from the worst Pixar film. Is it a masterpiece? No. Is it terrible? No. Considering all the crap Pixar has made in the past decade I'd say Brave ranks somewhere in the middle of their entire catalog maybe in C or D tier. If you want something truly awful whose very existence is a crime against humanity look to something like Lightyear or Toy Story 4. Brave on the other hand is just meh.
Toy Story 4 is miles ahead of brave
this Pixar I actually walked out off at the halfway point, the only reason I managed to stay as long was the utterly amazing animation on the horse and Merida's hair.
I'm gonna just go out on a limb here. I'm predicting 200 will either be something people have been wanting or something very controversial like an Animated Atrocities on The Owl House.
It's high guardian spice lol
Why in the hell would The Owl House be on Animated Atrocities?
@@Animestar21 It probably isn't.
@@tyresewilson7399 that sounds about right
@@Animestar21 gay people
I actually have a much better plot for this movie. Merida goes on an adventure to kill Mor’Du. And the bear would be a completely different character. Like someone she meets during her adventure. And with the archery scene showing off how brave she is to everyone before her adventure begins. Have her mother listen to her and let her be who she truly is. And cut the witch out completely. Or if the witch needs to be in the movie maybe have her be in part of the story about the one kingdom that fell into war. Like a part of the story that no one knows if being true or not. And she finds out it is true because the bear she met is actually a human being in a bear’s body. And to break the curse would be the person not mending a bond but remembering who he truly is and accepting who he truly is. And they work together and successfully kill Mor’Du. And once the job is done the bear fully accepts who he truly is and transforms back to human and thanks Merida for helping him understand. They both return to Merida’s kingdom with the fur of Mor’Du and the entire kingdom cheers for her. Her father and mother and three brothers look at the person who she met and she explains everything to them about him. And they humbly accept him as one of their own in the kingdom. The wisps would be her guide like leading to Mor’Du. Like where he’s been or where he currently is now or warning her if he’s near. Oh and put less darkness in the movie.
Nice
Believe it or not, I think there could be a sequel to Brave that aims to fix what was flawed, according to what Mr. Enter and many others have pointed out. It worked for producing Cars 3, right? I can see why others praise and adore Brave though. A sequel to Brave can feature improved lighting and a step-up for Merida's character that can make her more likeable.
@SMW5465 Why do you have to be like that to me at the beginning? All I have done was make suggestions on how a sequel to Brave can be a big improvement. And I see the good in Cars 3.
@SMW5465 It’s cool to see the positives of Cars 2. I think Mater’s character progression in the film had some effectiveness too. I have been viewed as an idiot too. I was considered unintelligent a few times in 2022.
Honestly the way the story was set up it feel clear that this is a won-and-done story
The biggest issue is how this film won a Golden Globe and Academy Award for Best Animated Feature over Wreck-It Ralph.
And that From Up on Poppy Hill didn’t get nominated.
That film was even better than Wreck-It Ralph, and I loved that film.
If u want a better and shorter version of this movie, watch the Brave short about the backstory to Mordu, the evil bear in this movie. Does everything the movie should've done
Eleanor turned back because Merida finally realized how much her mom meant to her and vice versa. Therefore, patching things up, therefore, "mending the bond," which is what was needed to break the curse. It's not the movie's fault you didn't get that, especially since everyone else did.
That’s just you coping and seething over the shittiness of this film, and the message you claimed to have been mentioned in this film was handled better in Soulcalibur and in One Piece too.
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr the only one coping and seething here is you my friend. Maybe mid piece will teach you about that.
I actually really liked this movie when I saw it in theaters, but I haven't seen it since. I liked it more than Cars 2 as a kid
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