EP238 - Out now: Fix the PHEV battery yourself 🛠🚗💻
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You did it: smarter people than me have worked hard on a solution for the PHEV battery problem... and found it.
The DIY Triple Procedure which calibrates your software to the battery. And you can do it at home.
All the details will be coming soon on this channel.
I'm still torn apart about the software/battery problem. If the so DBCAM is correct (as Mitsubishi says), we see fully healthy batteries in 4-5 year old cars and but also totally f****d up batteries in new 2019 models. What is correct and why is it like this?
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Fact can be stranger than fiction and from something small a much bigger impact than first considered can be achieved. Good one Andy and to everyone who's spent their time, effort and knowledge working out what's going on and what could be the solution. One of the best things about the internet. People like Andy and the community help a lot of people make informed choices and not to feel isolated in their problems. That would have a material impact in terms of sales and choices made by end users.
We would hope consumer law and companies do the right thing, but that's not always the case.
The APP solution sounds very good. Please stay tuned and give us more information about this issue Andy
Nice Stats Andy...I think we are getting some traction. Congratulations...when you said you must be crazy...I was nodding yes...
Thank's Andy. I've recently bought an imported MY14 in Spain, and I wath your videos with interest since I also suffer this battery degradation issue,and here in Spain most of the dealers know nothing about triple procedure. So, a DIY would be really appreciated. I'll stay tuned
José Luis, I also have a 2014 Phev showing 69.4% SoH right now. Did you find a solution to recover the original battery? Thanks
@@delnaval Not at all, and exchanging the battery pack it's so expensive that it's not worth at all. bad quality or design of the battery ☹️
Hello from Vancouver Island!! I’ve watched everyone of your videos. Thank you so much for all of your information. I love my PHEV but have been watching to see what happens with Mitsubishi does.
Thank you Kyle, much appreciated.
Beautiful place over there where you are!
Hey from Portugal! So last year my dad bought a PHEV, since then he usually uses pure EV mode, the range that appeared was 42kms. Now it just shows 35kms. He went to Mitsubishi and they didn’t say nothing! They said it was all good, and the reason was just that my dad wasn’t careful while driving, what does not make any sense... I feel bad for my dad because this his new car, last one was a Mitsubishi Carisma from 1999, i was looking forward for the PHEV, and for Mitsubishi but now this is just sad.
Thank for your awesome videos! Hope Mitsubishi does something about this issue
Well, get your dad a MUT3 device for his birthday and everything will be fine ;)
Nice lunchbreak news over my breakfast.
Great idea and thanks.
God work keep going big hugs from sweden
Congrats on your milestone :)
Thanks for sharing your advice
Keep up the good work.
Hallo Andi! Ich habe mir letzte Woche einen Outi PHEV 12/2013 zugelegt. Leider direkt den ersten Defekt (Bremslichtschalter vermutlich) ASR-Fehler und keine Möglichkeit auf D oder R zu schalten... wir reparieren.
Auf jeden Fall bin ich bei der Fehlersuche auf deinen Kanal gestoßen. Vielen Dank für deine Mühe diese Geschichten zu recherchieren und in einem auch für mich verständlichen Englisch zu teilen! Ich freue mich auf weitere Beiträge, vielleicht mal wieder auf Deutsch ;).
Awesome!!!!! Thanks Sir!!
Top bloke carry on dude 👍👍👍
My diesel from MY2008 had a recall in 2018 for the windscreen wiper motor because it was potentially unsafe. Certainly MMC can do a BMU replacement for their faulty and polluting PHEV's because they are using more fuel than neccesary and lugging around perfectly good batteries without applying them for driving EV driving! #PHEVgate
Since my 2019 PHEV is ordered, I've started watching your video's and to be honest, it schocked me. Guess I should have done this before spending €46.000. Nothing I can do now then to follow your channel and see if a solution comes up. I will follow the state of my battery from delivery, that's for sure. Thanks for your time and effort, great channel!
It's still a great car; you now have the knowledge to start fighting for warranty from the very beginning.
@@markotrieste you sure are right about that!
Hi Andy, think you have hit the nail on the head, how many of these vehicles have Mitsubishi made and sold worldwide? If the problem is the BMU and they cannot make alterations to it's software, and therefore the only way is to replace it with a new one, think of the cost to them. Mitsubishi might think a recall of these vehicles would look bad for them (although I always think the opposite when this is done by a manufacturer). The bad publicity they are getting now is only going to grow as your and others airing this problem shows with the viewing figures you are all getting. Better Mitsubishi owns up and calls for a recall to solve this problem rather than let it fester. I would buy one of these vehicles tomorrow if they didn't have this fault. I can't believe Mitsubishi can't see the harm this is doing to them and their reputation and even potential greater sales if it's sorted. Keep up the pressure and good work you are doing and let's hope they see sense. 👍
I agree with you a recall does not look bad. It's a brave and honest thing to correct something is not right. It's happening sometimes. We are humans. Come on Mitsubishi!
Grateful for all this work that you have been working on for us consumers, it should no longer go between your issues explaining that something is wrong with the calculation of the charge on the battery in this car which should be repaired, this causes Increase consumer spending and should be regarded as a slight defect, it should be on the shoulders of the manufacturer to pay for all the work and hassle out of showing consumers the obvious design deficiencies encountered during your measurements on this car.
It is time for those who service these cars to ask for instructions on repairing the charge on battery and loading and requiring guidance but not overlapping.
Hi Andi, as always nice info's from unplugged EV.
With regards to the "optimal desogned BMU", expecting to see also the BMU V1.0 in the next Outlander, as you know never change a running system, hehe :-)
Keep us updated on this channel, we should reach the next 1/2 million views^^
BR, Sven
Thanks Andy 👍
I have zero faith in Mitsubishi........
A real shame, as the car is such a great machine in so many other ways!
Looking fwd to diy instructions
Thanks for your efforts and time, hope to evolve some more. Greetings from Hungary! Is there any possibility to set a selfmade software to handle the situation?
PHEV WATCHDOG app will not work on the 2023 OUTLOOK PHEV . Is an upgrade coming ?? TIA
The 2014 PHEV with the used battery that achieved 39.9Ah after DBCAM is probably correct. Due to the "artificial" degradation going on since 2014, the battery was never put under constant stress, it was being under-charged since the owner bought the car. Battery studies have shown that if you keep the battery charge near the sweet spot somewhere in the middle, then degradation is almost NIL.
So to re-frame, think about like this. The battery is programmed to not use the bottom or top 20% (or whatever it is), AND, out of the showroom it was calibrated to 38Ah, with an additional artificial degradation slapped on top.
The Mitsubishi programmers are either geniuses, or complete idiots. If they were geniuses then as part of the regular 12 month service routine they would include a BMU reset and DBCAM. So, they're idiots that happened upon a coincidental method to keep battery health at an optimum state.
Every full charge of the PHEV puts the battery to real 100%. 4.1V is 100%SoC as per the Yuasa specs for the LEV40 cells. Even it did not use the full capacity from the beginning (38Ah) it was still charged to 4.1V. This should have caused some degradation over the years. Even keeping the battery on 65%SoC of this time frame would have caused some deg...
I'm wondering as you said why seems there is no degradation in 4-5 years old cars and after triple procedure the SOH restores almost completely. May be there is a top "hidden" buffer. May be the real capacity of the batteries is bigger and the real degradation is still in this buffer. That's why Mitsubishi says that battery will be usable until the end of vehicle's life.
That would be like in the Ioniq Electric where the battery has 31.8kWh but only 28kWh are available.
However, this is not the case in the PHEV. It always charges to 4.1V which is 100% real SoC of the battery as per manufacturer. Because of that we don't see any regen if fully charged, the battery cannot take more energy.
Hi Andy, You are THE BEST reviewer I found on internet when it comes to Mitsubishi Outlander. I also have an idea to buy a beast and still evaluating my options. I am from Sri Lanka and the market price of a used 2014 model is roughly around USD 32,000. I am evaluating Nissan x-trail model as well. (2016 used vehicle market price is ¬ USD 30K ). I checked the battery replacement cost from the agent in Sri lanka and he said its around USD 12,000, and that is a VERY VERY BIG concern for me it hybrid battery fails. I checked few models (YOM 2014) and dnt know how long battery lasts? Do you think will it fail in next 1-2 year time? If something happens (100% battery failure) could I still start the vehicle and run in Petrol mode? Kindly give some advisors . btw thank you for your time and for these great video series
You just got another subscriber 😀
Great, thank you!
Hello all.
Just wanted tomfind out if mitsubishi have actually addressed this issue now? I'm about to buy 2015 with 80.000miles on the clock. What should I check first? Thanks
hi all!
my outlander is 5 years old and has 103000 km.
i'm swiss but live in tenerife (canary islands) where the streets are mostly either upwards or downwards.
the state of health on the watchdog is 63% and mitsubishi anounced that i'll get a new
battery.
dies anybody know wheter mitsu programs the bmu correctly?
means same behaviour like a new car or degrading within a couple of month...?
regards
ganderpe
This is good news. Is there going to be a follow-up fro you Andy on what to do with these solutions. The lexia methos seems the cheapest way.
I will keep an eye on all these projects and update you from time to time.
Watched it during my lunch break. Ps. I don't think a difficulty of the BMU replacement is what keeps Mitsubishi from updating it. All in all, battery replacement is a few orders of magnitude more costly than this.
Bonza!
The "triple procedure" seems to work very well but the underlying problem is still there, as soon as you start to use the car the buggy software starts to lower the SoH at an insane rate, that is nothing that this procedure can fix, we need a updated software.
Someone who has also a Nissan Leaf said that the Leaf also calculates a degradation of the battery, but it is only 0.01 Ah every couple of weeks, so it is only 10% of what the PHEV calculates and with longer interwall.
I agree. We need a fix. But having in mind the official answer from MMC, I wouldn't expect any fix soon.
And in the mean time, if we have the means to do the procedure at home by our own means, we can do it every year and keep the range at good levels.
That is explained well, Einar!
Another point worth thinking about is that the 30 Kwh hour Leaf was supposed to have lost more battery capacity than the 24 Kwh batteries did, are we now seeing a similar decline with the 2019 PHEV? Also, looking to the future, Nissan and Mitsubishi are now in alliance (with each other and with Renault) and the technological exchanges will produce advances which may be applied to older models.
I've not long purchased a used 2017 phev, 80k miles and the battery range when starting claims 21miles range from a full charge, and it appears reasonably accurate based on my normal commute, so I assume the BMU has made false assumptions over its life or the batteries have indeed degraded?
I want to 44 Kw at the existing battery pack I can't find some one who did this project!?
Would the wires and controller handle it?
Hello! I´m from Sweden with 2014 model. Here we have cold climate and when battery is cold it has very short range. Could this impact on the fast degration? Many rides with cold battery wrigts low capacity in BMU. /Torbjorn
Cold climate has an impact on capacity and range but not on degradation.
Same issue in the 2021????
Where are you going to hang the TH-cam award when it comes?
I got many many years to think about that... Maybe next to the Jaegermeister bottles ;)
ich geh in 2 Tagen einen 2019 Probefahren und der wird dann wahrscheinlich auch gekauft...
Ja, mach, ist nen geiles Auto. Du weisst ja Bescheid um was es hier geht und auf was du dich da einlaesst.
@@unpluggedEV Ja so ist es :-) Meine Arbeitsweg hin un zurück 39km - sollte also alles mit elektro ausreichen...
@@Games_to_be_played Das sollte gut funktionieren. Im Winter koennte es knapp werden, wenn Du auch noch die Heizung einrechnest. Aber du kannst ja daheim vorheizen ;)
@@unpluggedEV So war heute beim netten Autohändler :-) Hab einen bestellt S-Edition in weiss und in 2 Wochen kann ich ihn abholen :-)
@@Games_to_be_played du bist aber mutig! Ich hatte das viele Geld nicht investiert...
No wonder these are so cheap second hand. Think I'll avoid this mess
I think this *has* to be a software issue; I can still get 80 km of EV range out of from my 2012 Opel Ampera with 10,4 kWh net capacity.
Don't those have 16kwh batteries? Massive buffer at either end. GM get some stick and deservedly so in some cases. But the volt is a really nice piece of engineering.
10kwh out of 16 basically is 60%, so full =80, empty=20. The sweet spot. Plus it's thermally managed with a liquid system. Deg should be extremely low for such a design.
Kannst du dieses Video auch auf deutsch derhen ? Das wäre nett :-)
Das schaffe ich leider aus zeitlichen Gruenden nicht, sorry. Ihr solltet euch mal zusammentun und die Videos mit deutschen Untertiteln versehen...
@@unpluggedEV Habs ja erst jetzt gesehen: Man kann die Videos von TH-cam übersetzten lassen ;-) Alles gut. Weiter so...
@@Games_to_be_played Echt, wie geht das denn???
Edit: Ach ja, jetzt hab ich's auch gefunden. Das'ja cool! Danke fuer den Tip!
@@unpluggedEV Unten rechts im Videofenster: links neben den Einstellungen auf Untertitel klicken und in den Einstellungen die Sprache zum Übersetzten auswählen...
Hier geht ein deutscher
Kannst du das Video auch auf Deutsch machen würde mich freuen LG Nino
Surely all the triple procedure "fixes" is completely irrelevant in real life? The batteries charge up to 4.1v and go down to 3.8v. The difference between them is the capacity. The BMU is "measuring" capacity and comparing the calculated capacity against the nominal capacity but it's just an estimate. Sure if you confuse the hell out of the BMU it might think your capacity is better than it is for a while but it's not going to magically make the actual capacity any more or any less. Batteries degrade and the software is just trying to model that. Mitsibushi clearly didn't do a great job but then who cares? It's irrelevant in a PHEV. In a pure EV in which range is more critical it might be important (if it says 40 miles and you run out after 10 it's an issue) but in a PHEV with a full tank of petrol? I'll try and maximise my EV range but I don't care what the car thinks it could / should be. Surely all the "procedures" are just to create a theoretical capacity on a screen. Good for bragging rights in the pub but not much else.
Guten Tag. Ich schreibe aus Spanien aber auf Deutsch da ich besser verstehe als englisch
Habe vorzahlung für oírla der prevé 2019 gemacht. Preis 38900 € mit voll Ausstattung gleicher Preis wie eclipse Cross 4x4 Automatik
Wenn ich hier die Probleme sehe mit Batterie bin nicht mehr sicher ob ich kaufen soll oder nicht.
Das Auto ist sehr groß aber die Technik hat mich fasziniert.
Si wie ich sehe würden sie es nicht empfehlen zu kaufen?
Ich kann dir leider keine Antwort geben, weil ich deinen einzelenen speziellen Fall nicht kenne.
@Andy kannst du mir vl helfen? Ich möchte mir gerne einen PHEV 2014 kaufen und wollte dich hier nach deiner Meinung bitten. Du würdest mir wirklich weiterhelfen. Danke schon jetzt.
Tja, meine Meinung kennst du doch sicherlich wenn das nicht das einzige Video ist, was du geschaut hast.
Kannst Du dir keinen EV kaufen? Hybrid ist soooooo gestern.
Hallo Andy,
mit Begeisterung verfolge ich Deinen Kanal, da ich eigentlich vorhabe, mir ein solches Fahrzeug zuzulegen, jetzt aber aufgrund der Sturheit seitens Mitshubishi verunsichert bin!
Da Du ja der
Deutschen Sprache mächtig bist, wäre es toll, wenn Du ab und zu mal ein
Video in Deutscher Sprache drehen würdest!
Ansonsten großes Dankeschön für Dein wunderbares Angagement!
Vielen Dank, Alex! Ja, mal sehen, das ganze ist ein Zeitproblem aber ab und an sollte sicherlich gehen...
@@unpluggedEV Hallo Andy,
Erstmals vielen Dank für Deine schnelle Antwort aus dem Land der Kängurus! Es ist auch interessant mit Dir durch Australien zu fahren!
Es würde auch Deutscher Untertitel reichen!
Nur weis ich nicht wie viel Mehraufwand das für Dich ist?
Wie kann ich meinen Beitrag dazu leisten Mitsubishi zur Behebung Ihrer fehlerhaften Software zu beheben?
Vorher werde ich mir, obwohl er mir zusagen würde, keinen kaufen!
Viele Grüße aus Bayern
Alex
Danke Dir. Deutsche Untertitel kann ich zeitlich nicht leisten, aber es schauen ja genuegend Leute aus deutschsprachigen Laendern zu, vielleicht ergibt sich was. Jemand aus Polen hat auch das deutsche Video uebersetzt. Sollte also machbar sein...
Im moment sieht es nicht so aus, das MMC einen fix fuer das Problem anbieten wird.
Please delete those videos cause you realised that you cannot fix anything, but just ruining battery more...