Another thing, which would have been super interesting: if this could be repeated at 20 yards and 80 yards. Because the range has some super significant impact on the stretch behavior of monos and impacts the swing back behavior 😊. That would be super cool 👌.
This is great if you already know the wraps to a clean area. However if you were fishing on a dinner plate size spot and clip up the marker when your lead is dragged over it, the second time you go to cast the marker float onto the same spot you would be short of the spot.
Great vid. One thing I think might have helped in this project, was to get Rob to swim out with the maker, and drop it in the square patch, then clip the line. This would give you the exact number of wraps instead of casting to the area. Then clip the leads up to the same distance and see how accurate the cast is in comparison.
So you have to still give a few feet of line on the second cast of the marker float to get back onto the spot you found when dragging it the first time around?
I don’t know if this has already been said but maybe by clipping the marker rod up with the rod at the same angle as when you’ve just cast and hit the clip with would make a couple of feet difference . The video showed Rob clipping the marker rod up with a near horizontal rod whereas when hitting the clip on the fishing rods you’re at a far greater angle and even after feeling the lead down the fishing rod still was at a greater angle than horizontal 👍
Not once in the video did they mention that when you’ve casted out the marker, dragged it back and clipped it up on the spot you want, it won’t land on the same spot when you re cast the marker to find the spot again.
far and away the most informative underwater video. l can go fishing and catch fish, we all can. we can not however understand is whats happening before, during and after a cast is made. 5/5
The interesting thing is, that you marker/spot with a rod held horizontally. That means, the braided line is pointing directly towards the spot. When casting the baited up rod, you are hitting the clip with vertical rod and then feeling the lead down until the rod ist maybe angled up 45 degreeish. That means, you should add some line from a theoretical point of view, to compensate for the lifted up rod. But, as you have shown, this is not really an effect. Especially with Monos dir to stretch. That is a super important fact to take into account. Thanks :).
Exactly right Ian that was one of the main points that came up for Rob and Lee came to throughout the test. They started thinking it would be the type of line that makes the most difference (high stretch or low stretch) but in reality its not the biggest factor. Interesting points about the affect of the casting style has on bounce back and interesting that bounce back is more apparent when using fluorocarbon over mono. Glad you enjoyed it Ian!
interesting vid. would like to have seen you try afew spombs at the distances to see where the bait fell in relation to the spot. i work on the principle of clippin my spod up half rod lenght shorter (in 10/12ft), and would like to see how accurate it really is
exactly what I was thinking as well! I always use the 3ft of water to 1ft shorter on the spomb rule. Also it would be interesting to see what the difference was with fishing at say 100 yards, would the stretch in the mono make clipping up at the same difference be less accurate?.
Just watched this again after the spomb vid. I think the white lead at 25:49 was not much short despite it bouncing back because it would fall more vertical on the slacker line. Obviously on a big bounce back or shallow water it would not 'correct' itself so much.
Great video and adds more food for thought. It would be good as mentioned if different rod lengths, casting distances and water depth could be done. But I have certainly learnt a few things from this video... Great work...
Good work guys. It would be great to see this done when dropping rigs from a baitboat, using different lines (fluoro v braid for example). Assuming you've found a spot using a sonar are we talking about taking the boat another 30cms then clipping up the line to that distance to allow for swing back?
Tramp Buster UK at least my living room walls look more interesting that your misses. What's your problem. Jealous of a company going the extra mile for its customers.
Real eye opener! Amazing work guys! However, would love to have seen the comparison include braided mainlines too to see what the complete lack of stretch equates to in distance from the spot. Also would've been nice to see how a spod or two of bait would fall in the zone..
Hi Mark, the spot was found with braid so the distance for clipping up would not change. Wait for episode 2 in a few weeks, we have filmed putting spods out in that one so you will be able to see that.
Yeah I figured that with the marker rod, but my thinking was that maybe because of the lack of stretch in braid, it could possibly bounce back a bit more than mono when hitting the clip due to a lack of give in the line, so would you need to add a small amount of distance when clipping up?
All lines have different characteristics, "brilliant video", as a Diver i have looked at this before, over the next year I am going to try this again with Spod and Spomb, to look at how bait falls over different depths..... if you want a lift give us a shout :-)
Awesome video!! If your fishing in 20ft-25ft how much further would you clip your rigs compared to the marker? And how much further/shorter would you clip your spomb?? Example... The spot is 12 wraps and 20ft deep - fishing a low stretch mono. Thanks
Good stuff. Would love to see a follow up looking at double depth or distance and how much if at all you should let the rod tip follow the lead down when its hits the water to compensate for it arching back.
@Fox International Carp Fishing it would be intresting for you to do a video on bait dips oils bait additives etc work best accross the 4 seasons we carp fish in like it has been said certain fishmeals oils & bait dips congeal in a cold winter months is it true also how a low temperature winter fishmeal oil or bait dips reaction in the 4 different seasons all us carp fisherman fish through im just using a fishmeal as an example you could try some classic flavours like tutti fruity scopex live system etc 😊
Fluorcarbon also once stretched doesnt return back to its original form like mono does as it lacks the elasticity . Maybe the fluorocarbon was older and had already been pre stretch from use on the spool that landed further out than it should have . New/er fluorocarbon will have more stretch to begin with so maybe bounces back more . So maybe fluorocarbon needs to be pre stretched or worn in first to get accurate readings !!!
Your films are educational and you really have something to see and learn. Bravo. But we who speak poor English have a problem understanding everything. Is it a big problem to insert subtitles in another language? Here, specifically, I need Serbian or at least Croatian. It would mean a lot to us. Thank you in advance for your answer and greetings.
Brilliant video. Really wish that yo did the exact same test in 10ft but at 25wraps to see if the 10% stretch that you found was then doubled as I would expect.
Just found these vids, very informative. But you are casting with hardly any wind, i am guessing things would be a lot different or more difficult with a stiff cross wind?
Amazing video i have learnt loads as i am new to the carp fishing scene but i just have 2 questions 1st does this apply to all depth of water and 2nd do you clip up a spod to the same as your rods? Hope someone can help thanks in advance guys
1. Its hard to know for sure and it is something that we will test in the future. 2. Episode 2 will feature this, we have already filmed it and it will be out soon.
Hey guys, anyone have any idea on the swim tracker app he was using? Or does anyone have any advice or suggestions on any current ones at all giving that this video is 6 years old now lol. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!!
Wouldn't say the 3.25 rods are broomsticks, but yes they are stiffer, so it could have contributed for sure. The lack of stretch in Fluorocarbon however would have been a far more influential factor.
Did your mother not give you enough attention as a child? Is this where your attention seeking issues are coming from? Maybe you should ask yourself why am I calling someone I don't know a bum? Is it so I get a rise out of him on his tea break? I get to satisfy my craving for attention? Does no one listen to you at work? Have you got a shit job? You're clearly miserable and something must be unfulfilling in your life where you have to argue and troll someone about fucking fishing.
Great video guys, I’ve heard that over a certain amount of depth you need to change the distance of your spod to your rod you’re fishing with?? Thanks Raj😁💥🎣
Why is fishing becoming such a technical science with technology driving the intrest for anglers. What ever happened to the mystery and wonder fishing at a lake or a stream. Fishing is becoming way to industral. This video is interesting but I hope fisherman never forget the roots of what makes fishing special.
brilliant vid lads, the best by far on this subject. you didn't really touch on distance and depth. also stop worrying so much about how hard you hit the clip and instead clip up a few reels turns past the spot and reel 3 turns back as soon as the lead hits the water. that way the line's straight and it's consistent. fish braid on all rods. or buy a bait boat and know you're bang on then. to have a better idea about the drop use a lighter lead. top vid
At the start of the video, winding down to the lead then clipping up, then casting out and hitting the clip at a higher angle of the rod, surely you are falling short no??
The best underwater series. You actually do experiments instead of just waiting for runs
Another thing, which would have been super interesting: if this could be repeated at 20 yards and 80 yards. Because the range has some super significant impact on the stretch behavior of monos and impacts the swing back behavior 😊. That would be super cool 👌.
This is great if you already know the wraps to a clean area. However if you were fishing on a dinner plate size spot and clip up the marker when your lead is dragged over it, the second time you go to cast the marker float onto the same spot you would be short of the spot.
If the spot is 15 wraps out when you clip up the marker, in ten feet of water you would need to add a few feet the second time you re do the marker.
i like the "intelligent" ideas for research of some interesting aspects..great how Rob Hughes leads us to a certain knowledge...great to watch!
Hughes always giving the answers I need
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Wow what a great bit of information. Well done Rob, Lee and Harry
Great vid. One thing I think might have helped in this project, was to get Rob to swim out with the maker, and drop it in the square patch, then clip the line. This would give you the exact number of wraps instead of casting to the area. Then clip the leads up to the same distance and see how accurate the cast is in comparison.
Hi Col, the marker was cast first then the area was set next to it so the number of wraps with the Marker lead was exact.
So you have to still give a few feet of line on the second cast of the marker float to get back onto the spot you found when dragging it the first time around?
I don’t know if this has already been said but maybe by clipping the marker rod up with the rod at the same angle as when you’ve just cast and hit the clip with would make a couple of feet difference . The video showed Rob clipping the marker rod up with a near horizontal rod whereas when hitting the clip on the fishing rods you’re at a far greater angle and even after feeling the lead down the fishing rod still was at a greater angle than horizontal 👍
Not once in the video did they mention that when you’ve casted out the marker, dragged it back and clipped it up on the spot you want, it won’t land on the same spot when you re cast the marker to find the spot again.
far and away the most informative underwater video.
l can go fishing and catch fish, we all can. we can not however understand is whats happening before, during and after a cast is made. 5/5
Great video... informative, interesting and time to concentrate on technique
Very tecnical video, I really liked it. And very educational. Thank you!
Great vid guys, this will help my fishing soo much! 👍🏼
amazing,cheers Rob, Lee and fox
The interesting thing is, that you marker/spot with a rod held horizontally. That means, the braided line is pointing directly towards the spot. When casting the baited up rod, you are hitting the clip with vertical rod and then feeling the lead down until the rod ist maybe angled up 45 degreeish. That means, you should add some line from a theoretical point of view, to compensate for the lifted up rod.
But, as you have shown, this is not really an effect. Especially with Monos dir to stretch. That is a super important fact to take into account. Thanks :).
Well thank you so much, this will change both my casting and baiting from now on, what a great piece of work by you guys
I've always added up to half a wrap on my cast for swing bk 🤔can see why I'm blanking lol great video
Tramp Buster UK yeah I've worked that out lol
Brilliant and technical video, keep it up!!!
Lots of food for thought there. I've learnt a thing or two also so thanks fox. Great info 👍👍
Carpking71 thankssss foxsssss with a lisp ahahaha
Very immature!! I presume you must still be in primary school!! 😡
I love carp fishing and my grandad love's carp fishing to.🎣🐟🎣🐟🎣🐟🎣🐟🎣🐟🎣🎣🐟🐟
That was very interesting!
I really want to say something about this but Lee is in the video.......... Gobsmacked!!!
Brilliant video, really interesting to see
Gret watch lads, seems to be more about your casting style than the difference in wrap dimensions to the marker rod.
Exactly right Ian that was one of the main points that came up for Rob and Lee came to throughout the test. They started thinking it would be the type of line that makes the most difference (high stretch or low stretch) but in reality its not the biggest factor. Interesting points about the affect of the casting style has on bounce back and interesting that bounce back is more apparent when using fluorocarbon over mono. Glad you enjoyed it Ian!
interesting vid. would like to have seen you try afew spombs at the distances to see where the bait fell in relation to the spot. i work on the principle of clippin my spod up half rod lenght shorter (in 10/12ft), and would like to see how accurate it really is
Hi Garry, we are looking at this in episode 2 which we filmed the following day.
exactly what I was thinking as well! I always use the 3ft of water to 1ft shorter on the spomb rule. Also it would be interesting to see what the difference was with fishing at say 100 yards, would the stretch in the mono make clipping up at the same difference be less accurate?.
Fox International Carp Fishing thanks guys look forword to it.
Garry Wright what about the stretch in the mono compared to the braid on the Spod rod?
yamyamram could you explain the 3ft of water to 1ft shorter means?
Just watched this again after the spomb vid. I think the white lead at 25:49 was not much short despite it bouncing back because it would fall more vertical on the slacker line. Obviously on a big bounce back or shallow water it would not 'correct' itself so much.
Well done guys!Really informative vid.Thank you
Great video lads.
Great video and adds more food for thought. It would be good as mentioned if different rod lengths, casting distances and water depth could be done. But I have certainly learnt a few things from this video... Great work...
Cheers Paul, all things to look at in the future, very hard to cram everything in to a couple of days filming
@LOUTH DIVISION holy shit your sad, i'v seen about 12 of your comments and not one other person has even acknowleged you 😂
That was very informative! Thank you guys!
quality as usual guys
@tramp buster whats your problem bell end ?? Been blanking too much !
Interesting vid, more questions than answers though!
Great Video, Lots of info Thanks Guys
Good work guys. It would be great to see this done when dropping rigs from a baitboat, using different lines (fluoro v braid for example). Assuming you've found a spot using a sonar are we talking about taking the boat another 30cms then clipping up the line to that distance to allow for swing back?
Very interesting viewing cheers guy's
Tramp Buster UK at least my living room walls look more interesting that your misses. What's your problem. Jealous of a company going the extra mile for its customers.
Real eye opener! Amazing work guys!
However, would love to have seen the comparison include braided mainlines too to see what the complete lack of stretch equates to in distance from the spot. Also would've been nice to see how a spod or two of bait would fall in the zone..
Hi Mark, the spot was found with braid so the distance for clipping up would not change. Wait for episode 2 in a few weeks, we have filmed putting spods out in that one so you will be able to see that.
Yeah I figured that with the marker rod, but my thinking was that maybe because of the lack of stretch in braid, it could possibly bounce back a bit more than mono when hitting the clip due to a lack of give in the line, so would you need to add a small amount of distance when clipping up?
All lines have different characteristics, "brilliant video", as a Diver i have looked at this before, over the next year I am going to try this again with Spod and Spomb, to look at how bait falls over different depths..... if you want a lift give us a shout :-)
Great video thanks boys
Awesome video!!
If your fishing in 20ft-25ft how much further would you clip your rigs compared to the marker? And how much further/shorter would you clip your spomb??
Example... The spot is 12 wraps and 20ft deep - fishing a low stretch mono.
Thanks
Figure it out yourself numb nuts
wowh.thx for this!!!
Good stuff. Would love to see a follow up looking at double depth or distance and how much if at all you should let the rod tip follow the lead down when its hits the water to compensate for it arching back.
Tramp Buster UK Thanks that's really good to know 👍
@@mozart7820 Handled the pleb impeccably, squire.
Really good video
The white and yellow leads are a different shape that will make a massive difference
great video
@Fox International Carp Fishing it would be intresting for you to do a video on bait dips oils bait additives etc work best accross the 4 seasons we carp fish in like it has been said certain fishmeals oils & bait dips congeal in a cold winter months is it true also how a low temperature winter fishmeal oil or bait dips reaction in the 4 different seasons all us carp fisherman fish through im just using a fishmeal as an example you could try some classic flavours like tutti fruity scopex live system etc 😊
Fluorcarbon also once stretched doesnt return back to its original form like mono does as it lacks the elasticity . Maybe the fluorocarbon was older and had already been pre stretch from use on the spool that landed further out than it should have . New/er fluorocarbon will have more stretch to begin with so maybe bounces back more . So maybe fluorocarbon needs to be pre stretched or worn in first to get accurate readings !!!
Your films are educational and you really have something to see and learn. Bravo. But we who speak poor English have a problem understanding everything. Is it a big problem to insert subtitles in another language? Here, specifically, I need Serbian or at least Croatian. It would mean a lot to us. Thank you in advance for your answer and greetings.
Brilliant video. Really wish that yo did the exact same test in 10ft but at 25wraps to see if the 10% stretch that you found was then doubled as I would expect.
Jamie same goes for 20ft of depth but would think you are right on the distance.
LOUTH DIVISION grow up
Just found these vids, very informative.
But you are casting with hardly any wind, i am guessing things would be a lot different or more difficult with a stiff cross wind?
Nice casting mozza 👍🎣🎣🎣😂
Tramp Buster UK 👍that's why he's getting paid for it n not you ha ha lol 😂 😂 😂 😂
Tramp Buster UK keep on mate iv got a job how about you dole walla
Tramp Buster UK you must like bum then 😂😂😂
@LOUTH DIVISION you must go to some fucked up places to see spastics on E's...
Should have kept the rods the same you may find the blank of the rod also plays apart some are stiffer and straighten quicker.
Amazing video i have learnt loads as i am new to the carp fishing scene but i just have 2 questions 1st does this apply to all depth of water and 2nd do you clip up a spod to the same as your rods? Hope someone can help thanks in advance guys
daniel holbrow To both: Yes!
1. Its hard to know for sure and it is something that we will test in the future. 2. Episode 2 will feature this, we have already filmed it and it will be out soon.
Got a lot from watching this video cheers guys.
Hey guys, anyone have any idea on the swim tracker app he was using? Or does anyone have any advice or suggestions on any current ones at all giving that this video is 6 years old now lol. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!!
What if im going to cast on water were is deep 16 ft , haw mach im going to add ft on klip 6 or ?
getting far more lead spring back with the broomsticks. the soft rods have to have had an effect on cushioning the lead
Wouldn't say the 3.25 rods are broomsticks, but yes they are stiffer, so it could have contributed for sure. The lack of stretch in Fluorocarbon however would have been a far more influential factor.
It's winter let's start trolling people you need to grow up. Maybe go fishing instead of sitting behind a false name on the internet.
Shhhhh silly boy.
I've been at work since 4am. You don't even know me you absolute bellend. Bet you're a southerner though.
Did your mother not give you enough attention as a child? Is this where your attention seeking issues are coming from? Maybe you should ask yourself why am I calling someone I don't know a bum? Is it so I get a rise out of him on his tea break? I get to satisfy my craving for attention? Does no one listen to you at work? Have you got a shit job? You're clearly miserable and something must be unfulfilling in your life where you have to argue and troll someone about fucking fishing.
Great video guys, I’ve heard that over a certain amount of depth you need to change the distance of your spod to your rod you’re fishing with?? Thanks Raj😁💥🎣
we will be looking at this in episode 2, which will be out soon
Why is fishing becoming such a technical science with technology driving the intrest for anglers. What ever happened to the mystery and wonder fishing at a lake or a stream. Fishing is becoming way to industral. This video is interesting but I hope fisherman never forget the roots of what makes fishing special.
brilliant vid lads, the best by far on this subject. you didn't really touch on distance and depth. also stop worrying so much about how hard you hit the clip and instead clip up a few reels turns past the spot and reel 3 turns back as soon as the lead hits the water. that way the line's straight and it's consistent. fish braid on all rods. or buy a bait boat and know you're bang on then. to have a better idea about the drop use a lighter lead. top vid
Why didn't they Spod over it... surely if we Spod at the same distance the Spod will be going past the spot like the leads do when they hit the water?
Oh wait.. no stretch in braid is there... maybe cancels it out
Hi Tom, episode 2 has been filmed where we will look at this.
Whys Rob got a snorkel on for lmaooo you only use them when boat diving, good video though!
Because when he is diving in the surface layers he uses the snorkel rather than using his oxygen tanks to save the oxygen for when it is needed
Would be nice if swim mapper was working for apple phone
Dosnt work in USA. We’re I live carp run with tides
At the start of the video, winding down to the lead then clipping up, then casting out and hitting the clip at a higher angle of the rod, surely you are falling short no??
What about braid?
The marker lead was on braid, so there should be no difference with the fishing rods.
Fox International Carp Fishing Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Tramp Buster UK I didn't know the great lakes were considered noddy ponds. :) 14,000,000 acres. That's a pretty big pond.
How can the top of somebody head be so flat?
coloured flurocarbon? doesn't that negate the whole point and idea of flurocarbon?
Their trans flurocarbon is the bizz pal used it 2 season's now and devastating the improvements give it a bash
129 balloons I think
This makes me face palm at carp fishing even more...
@JackVoodoo It's too technical, he throws shiny things at bass and shoots stuff 🙄
32 mins? This could have been 5 mins with a better summary without Fox promos
no one casts in a clip like this
just use marker elastic it takes 10 seconds and you know exactly if you are where the marker float was or shorter. Jesus this is unnecesery
No need for all this......experienced anglers know what I'm on about.
Tramp Buster UK as long as your enjoying it with your Argos gear, deeper pro and bait boat then who am I to argue 😂
Tramp Buster UK how did you know? 😂.
Tramp Buster UK ok thanks for the advice, have a nice day 😉