I knew that hairspray was good for this. Never tried it before. After leveling my bed for the 8th time and getting a failed first layer everytime, I have searched for this video to learn how to apply it. Watched it, grabbed my mom's hairspray, sprayed it as shown. Started my print. Here I am staring at a gorgeous print being made. Amazing first layer stuck great. Thanks
@@messagetotheuniverse after this i bought a glue stick... i never knew that would make my life much much easier. It is very hard to clean the hairspray but glue stick is much much better. Just a bit of water and wipe it off. Glue stick > hairspray. Hairspray is better for maybe larger projects
If you have a removable flexible build plate, you basically have to add some kind of adhesive. I have never had good luck getting anything to stick on flexible removable build surfaces without some kind of adhesive. Hairspray works on 90% of plastic types. Glue stick will work for the rest. Spray away from the build plate and always clean up after using glue sticks. It can be a pain if you leave the glue on and keep reapplying.
@@Kendiyastro you better watch your z offset while using glue stick, if the nozzle scrubs the bed that nastly glue gonna fill inside the nozzle and clog it, it doesn't even come out with the push of filament and you gotta clean the entire nozzle just because of that, happened to me twice or thrice , spent a week to figure out the problem, its been 6 months I havent used glue stick or any kind of glue at all
I’ve found that the cheapest hair sprays (Aquanet, Suave, et. al.) are the best. Some of the fancier hairsprays seem to do worse, and I’m guessing it’s because of additives such as moisturizers, conditioners, and sun protectants. I’ve had great luck with cheap hairspray on my build plate, and I seem to need to reapply it once every couple weeks or so.
Another reason to use hairspray is as a separation agent when printing PETG or TPU. A small layer of spray will help prevent the print from permanently sticking to and destroying your build surface.
thanks for the idea for taking off the build plate. I have gotten L’oreal paris Elnett extra strength from my Shoppers It works so far I sprayed I spread with a paintbrush using layers is my first time, trying this hairspray with my glass bed
I was struggling with PLA printing an item with a large footprint. Could not get the first layer to stick no matter what settings I tried. Then I tried some aquanet and wow - best first layer ever!
Your videos are awesome. I'm new to 3d printing. Neptune Elegoo 4. I've been using the supplied glue stick. How do I get a trial sample of your adhesive.
do you know what the active chemical for adhesion in hair spray is? some hair sprays dont work for me. i found that ones that have copolymer in their ingredients tend to work a little better (but not perfect). sometimes they put dexpanthenol or other "care" substances (oily) in there that actually reduce your adhesion. Did you use the same stuff for your nano copolymer stuff?
Hi I have watched numerous videos about the hairspray and I am still confused. What I am confused about is I have never printed before do I use this with before I print my first thing or is this only to be used once the adhesion wears?
Hey Shetika! You apply it typically before each print, it provides a stickier surface to stick to so you dont get issues with lifting or popping off mid print.
I already use hairspray, have the bed on 80°C and the nozzle on 215°C and my prints still lose contact to the bed after a few layers. The first layers are printing fine, but thant after maybe 3-5 layers some corners lift up. Any further suggestions? It`s an Ender-3 Max and I only print PLA so far.
If PLA isn't sticking at 80c, with hairspray, it's probably the wrong hairspray -- they all use different chemicals. You can get a sample of our adhesive at visionminer.com/sample, but it's strange you're not getting results at all at those temps...
The temperature recommendation is usually written by the manufacturer on each roll. So I would pay attention to that, also it depends on the printer. Cheaper printers use and require higher temps
Thanks guys. I’m having issues with glue stick maintaining adhesion since starting to use eSun PLA+ hoping to give this a go today and make a cardboard booth to spray my glass plate in.
So how does this affect the leveling of your printer considering you are adding a layers of material to the plate? I don't see how you can level it AFTER the application without clogging the nozzle.
@@VisionMiner I gried the Hairspray, and Superglue to no avail only to find out the Extruder Gear handle is broke (not giving enough pressure for the gear to control Filament) and have ordered new parts.
Since this post, I have been using Hairspray, and it works GREAT... Since the nozzle never touches the build plate, there is no reason to worry like I did about nozzle clogs. Thank you everyone for your replies...
@@VisionMiner if you want to sell a product you should show it actually working and how good it works with various surfaces and materials and heat settings...
Hah! Yeah, shipping to Australia is terrible, which is why we have dealers over there :) Check out the product page, this should hotlink you to the section with dealers (see 3DPrinterGear in Australia): www.visionminer.com/adhesive#resellers
@@VisionMiner I just checked out your webpage and it looks like great stuff. I have two questions before purchasing it: 1. When brushing it on does the finished surface show brush streaks or does it self level sufficiently to eliminate the brush streaks? 2. Is the bottom of the part that's against the print surface shiny or matte finish?
with abs you can take some acetone, mix in some bits and pieces from failed abs prints, and put a thin layer of that slurry on your print surface. just make sure ur acetone doesn't have any additives, and that you wait for it to dry before heating the printer. acetone is very flammable
im a caveman... my plate heats up in less than a minute so i just grab the plate off the magnetic plate and place the plate on a chair next to the printers and give it a four passes in a z shape then flip 180 degree and repeat, then a small circle and larger circle. the fine mist covers more less to a "flat" surface :) the heat from the plate seems to dry out the hairspray real fast and the prints stick even better as if the spray gets annealed or something. try ur self and see it sticks even better ;)
I had a print that wouldn’t stick at first and then I used this hairspray trick. It stuck pretty well but the problem was it stuck PRETTY WELL. I had to man handle it off. For those who try the hairspray trick use a very very thin layer of hairspray
"Free sample" yeah nah fam you want $5 i feel t his video was just an advertisement to sell your crap, been using hairspray for ages with zero issues. also abit of sugar mixed in with water works well too
1. This video is several years old, you missed the free sample 2. This wasn't designed for your basic materials, which do work find with stuff like hairspray or sugar (some of the time) 3. It's a much stronger, more dynamic solution than hairspray or sugar, simply put 4. Don't hate, just keep using hairspray til you need something for Nylons or PC, functional materials :)
wait, you're saying to level the bed. Then remove the bed, use hairspray, and not relevel the bed. it would be near impossible to level the bed covered in hairspray. I've sprayed hairspray jsut find while my bed is on the printer. You can't think that I"m so careless as to not be able to spray hairspay like i spray bullets in a zombia apocolypse. c'mon. This video is completely ridiculous and useless unless you have an ABL system, and what's worse is they put a TON of hairspray on that play. You'd have to use a mallet to get the print off, just a few light spray will do you. this is not a useful video
I knew that hairspray was good for this. Never tried it before. After leveling my bed for the 8th time and getting a failed first layer everytime, I have searched for this video to learn how to apply it. Watched it, grabbed my mom's hairspray, sprayed it as shown. Started my print. Here I am staring at a gorgeous print being made. Amazing first layer stuck great. Thanks
Thanks for sharing!
Ive always used a layer of painter tape and a glue stick, works very well, ran out of glue stick so im here lol
@@messagetotheuniverse after this i bought a glue stick... i never knew that would make my life much much easier. It is very hard to clean the hairspray but glue stick is much much better. Just a bit of water and wipe it off. Glue stick > hairspray. Hairspray is better for maybe larger projects
If you have a removable flexible build plate, you basically have to add some kind of adhesive. I have never had good luck getting anything to stick on flexible removable build surfaces without some kind of adhesive. Hairspray works on 90% of plastic types. Glue stick will work for the rest. Spray away from the build plate and always clean up after using glue sticks. It can be a pain if you leave the glue on and keep reapplying.
@@Kendiyastro you better watch your z offset while using glue stick, if the nozzle scrubs the bed that nastly glue gonna fill inside the nozzle and clog it, it doesn't even come out with the push of filament and you gotta clean the entire nozzle just because of that, happened to me twice or thrice , spent a week to figure out the problem, its been 6 months I havent used glue stick or any kind of glue at all
I’ve found that the cheapest hair sprays (Aquanet, Suave, et. al.) are the best. Some of the fancier hairsprays seem to do worse, and I’m guessing it’s because of additives such as moisturizers, conditioners, and sun protectants.
I’ve had great luck with cheap hairspray on my build plate, and I seem to need to reapply it once every couple weeks or so.
Another reason to use hairspray is as a separation agent when printing PETG or TPU. A small layer of spray will help prevent the print from permanently sticking to and destroying your build surface.
thanks for the idea for taking off the build plate. I have gotten L’oreal paris Elnett extra strength from my Shoppers It works so far I sprayed I spread with a paintbrush using layers is my first time, trying this hairspray with my glass bed
Great video. I appreciate you guys taking the time to put this information out there for us.
I was struggling with PLA printing an item with a large footprint. Could not get the first layer to stick no matter what settings I tried. Then I tried some aquanet and wow - best first layer ever!
I have a Sidewinder X2, i can't remove bed so easy. What's your advice?
Your videos are awesome. I'm new to 3d printing. Neptune Elegoo 4. I've been using the supplied glue stick. How do I get a trial sample of your adhesive.
So question would this work on pei I fell like I can but want to make sure before I do
i was only thinking of doing this today! so i had to check, ,,nice one.. I just feel strange going to buy hair spray ,,with no hair,,,,,,lol
Do you wait for the hairspray to dry thrn print?.....
Anyone else use their mons hair spray
@Cai Lewendon me too hahaha
yep 😅
Nah, used some (cheap a$$) hairspray I got as a gift that I would never use on my head
I use my dads 😂
Here
do you know what the active chemical for adhesion in hair spray is? some hair sprays dont work for me. i found that ones that have copolymer in their ingredients tend to work a little better (but not perfect). sometimes they put dexpanthenol or other "care" substances (oily) in there that actually reduce your adhesion. Did you use the same stuff for your nano copolymer stuff?
For UK printer folk, TRESemme number 3 firm hold (black and blue can) is the dogs doodahs.
Hi I have watched numerous videos about the hairspray and I am still confused. What I am confused about is I have never printed before do I use this with before I print my first thing or is this only to be used once the adhesion wears?
Hey Shetika! You apply it typically before each print, it provides a stickier surface to stick to so you dont get issues with lifting or popping off mid print.
I already use hairspray, have the bed on 80°C and the nozzle on 215°C and my prints still lose contact to the bed after a few layers. The first layers are printing fine, but thant after maybe 3-5 layers some corners lift up. Any further suggestions? It`s an Ender-3 Max and I only print PLA so far.
I have the same issue and actually the plate needs cleaning. Guess too much grease on mine.
If PLA isn't sticking at 80c, with hairspray, it's probably the wrong hairspray -- they all use different chemicals. You can get a sample of our adhesive at visionminer.com/sample, but it's strange you're not getting results at all at those temps...
80c is too hot for PLA, 60c should be max for PLA.
The temperature recommendation is usually written by the manufacturer on each roll. So I would pay attention to that, also it depends on the printer. Cheaper printers use and require higher temps
Thanks guys. I’m having issues with glue stick maintaining adhesion since starting to use eSun PLA+ hoping to give this a go today and make a cardboard booth to spray my glass plate in.
Probably easier and safer to get a sample bottle of ours, a single coating lasts 50+ pirints on glass in our experience :) but hairspray may help too!
@@VisionMiner I don’t think you ship it to Australia though.
We do ship to Australia, but we also have a few dealers there :)
So, what should you do if your build plate does not come out? i have a glass build plate and it is screwed in and not removable.
That's an interesting one... What machine is that? You can get Nano Polymer Adhesive, we just released the new $19 bottle!
there's absolutely no need to use expensive iso! denatored/methylated ethanol, diluted to ~50% is far cheaper and just as effective as a degreaser
Depends where you buy it, it's not that much more. But yeah, it all works :)
I use my moms hair spray so its free
man, in the end of video you sugest to use nano polymer adhesive, but how to clean and prep it ?
Just water or alcohol, it's super easy :) Look up the "how to nano polymer adhesive" video :)
So how does this affect the leveling of your printer considering you are adding a layers of material to the plate? I don't see how you can level it AFTER the application without clogging the nozzle.
Well, it doesn't clog the nozzle, I can tell you that -- ideally you've already leveled and then set the z-offset.
@@VisionMiner I gried the Hairspray, and Superglue to no avail only to find out the Extruder Gear handle is broke (not giving enough pressure for the gear to control Filament) and have ordered new parts.
so if you level your bed ...then remove plate...spray...then put on same way is was...put a mark on it so you don't screw up...
Since this post, I have been using Hairspray, and it works GREAT... Since the nozzle never touches the build plate, there is no reason to worry like I did about nozzle clogs. Thank you everyone for your replies...
I suppose there are only some brands which work! I used a hairspray and the printbed became like nonstick pan!!
Samples still available?
Should i spray it with the build plate fully cooled down? As well as cleaning it, should i wait for to cool down to room temp?
Yes, generally --- and do it away from the printer, of course! For cleaning, some warmth will help get it off.
Can't you just spray the hairspray on a towel and wipe the bed without removing it?
Won't the towel then add unnecessary micro hairs with the glue from the towel binding with the print?
will this work for a tempered glass bed, or does it need to be normal glass? Also for cleaning, does it matter if it is 70% or 99% alcohol? Thanks!
it does matter. 70% could damage the tempered glass. use 99%. sadly speaking from experience
i only spray when its on the printer
After you apply the hair spray, how do you level your plate without wiping off the spray?
Simple answer: we don't use hair spray. It's not ideal. But you'd have to level it with the spray on... or before and guess the z-offset
@@VisionMiner how do you achieve printing on glass without any additional adhesive?
@@VisionMiner if you want to sell a product you should show it actually working and how good it works with various surfaces and materials and heat settings...
Trying to get a sample bottle and it cost 60 AUS just for shipping????
Hah! Yeah, shipping to Australia is terrible, which is why we have dealers over there :) Check out the product page, this should hotlink you to the section with dealers (see 3DPrinterGear in Australia): www.visionminer.com/adhesive#resellers
If you contact them directly, they should have samples available :)
May have accidentally spray some on while the bed was on the printer, what should I do?
I do it all the time and never think about it
Over time it can cause issues, cleaning everything out with alcohol is usually the best bet...
Send it to me, it's not good anymore. I will dispose of it.
I tried Aquanet and got fish eyes in the surface finish of the hair spray. How do you get rid of fish eyes when applying the hair spray?
Not sure if that's possible... we just use our own Nano Polymer Adhesive now! :)
Vision Miner Does your nano polymer apply without leaving fish eyes on the surface?
Where can I get some of your nano polymer?
@@MOVIEKICKS Oh yeah, it's basically a mirror finish.... check it out: www.visionminer.com/adhesive
@@VisionMiner I just checked out your webpage and it looks like great stuff.
I have two questions before purchasing it:
1. When brushing it on does the finished surface show brush streaks or does it self level sufficiently to eliminate the brush streaks?
2. Is the bottom of the part that's against the print surface shiny or matte finish?
lmao they see you
What about ABS??
Camus doesnt work for abs man...
@@huydoan9279 yeah i bet theres too much temp around.
Our Nano Polymer Adhesive works GREAT with ABS!
Glue stick works sometimes... depending on the part
I was about to ask this! Abs is such a bummer material
with abs you can take some acetone, mix in some bits and pieces from failed abs prints, and put a thin layer of that slurry on your print surface. just make sure ur acetone doesn't have any additives, and that you wait for it to dry before heating the printer. acetone is very flammable
im a caveman... my plate heats up in less than a minute so i just grab the plate off the magnetic plate and place the plate on a chair next to the printers and give it a four passes in a z shape then flip 180 degree and repeat, then a small circle and larger circle. the fine mist covers more less to a "flat" surface :) the heat from the plate seems to dry out the hairspray real fast and the prints stick even better as if the spray gets annealed or something.
try ur self and see it sticks even better ;)
that's a good tip you provide; spray glass outside the printer
I had a print that wouldn’t stick at first and then I used this hairspray trick. It stuck pretty well but the problem was it stuck PRETTY WELL. I had to man handle it off. For those who try the hairspray trick use a very very thin layer of hairspray
How about making adhesion with Hot glue gun ?
It would melt with the heat of the filament... and good luck getting it flat :)
@@VisionMiner Already tried it. Doesn't work!
I've just been spraying into a paper towel with the towel capturing 100% of the spray and then wiping it onto the plate ...
Here I sit. Covered in hairspray
...uh,
explain?
Instructions unclear got it everywhere
I do all the you tell me not to do 😅
"Free sample" yeah nah fam you want $5 i feel t his video was just an advertisement to sell your crap, been using hairspray for ages with zero issues. also abit of sugar mixed in with water works well too
1. This video is several years old, you missed the free sample
2. This wasn't designed for your basic materials, which do work find with stuff like hairspray or sugar (some of the time)
3. It's a much stronger, more dynamic solution than hairspray or sugar, simply put
4. Don't hate, just keep using hairspray til you need something for Nylons or PC, functional materials :)
wait, you're saying to level the bed. Then remove the bed, use hairspray, and not relevel the bed. it would be near impossible to level the bed covered in hairspray. I've sprayed hairspray jsut find while my bed is on the printer. You can't think that I"m so careless as to not be able to spray hairspay like i spray bullets in a zombia apocolypse. c'mon. This video is completely ridiculous and useless unless you have an ABL system, and what's worse is they put a TON of hairspray on that play. You'd have to use a mallet to get the print off, just a few light spray will do you. this is not a useful video
The main point is, there are much better options, but in a pinch, it's to show people that it can, in fact, be used :)
Just fyi to all...the sample is no longer free
Load of bs. The free sample costs five dollars.
And it's worth every penny if you're having adhesion issues :)
Hairspray/glue is a pretty outdated technique
Guy on the right really, really reminds me of jayz2cents