Once, kept creeping on a girl in our group in a D&D Adventures group. It was....bad, and couldn't get him to leave because he was related to the store owner.
That wasn't satisfying revenge at all! What actually happened to his character to teach him anything!? Then there's the fact that HE gets the kill shot and probably feels super justified doing it. NO ONE LEARNED ANYTHING IN THIS!
100% agree. This was an out of game issue. They tried to solve it in game and it clearly didn't work. Creep should have been confronted or the op should have just left.
This is a weird story because of the way the DM forced them to play a female character that the DM’s partner immediately then hit on? Yeah, shit is suss from the start. I doubt DM was as oblivious as they acted.
I think DM knew about Wizard's...creepier aspects, and was using Asa to teach Wizard a lesson. I have to agree with others in stating, "clearly that lesson A) wasn't a good one, and B) wasn't learned, in any event." I do like the whole, "This PC was secretly evil all along" angle, though. Having a PC with goals directly opposed to the rest of the party is definitely a way to get some interesting play and counterplay going on, especially if one character is able to catch wind of that.
I think the DM wanted to catch their irl partner in the act of cheating. It sounds like they might have, but at this player's expense... Of course, there's also the possibility the DM and their irl partner are into this kind of thing and were doing a power trip... eugh. It's never ok when a player takes IC into OOC. Ever. We're here to play pretendy-fun-time when we play D&D, not make real drama between people.
That’s because this story is fake. At least from a certain point onward at the minimum. I can believe the setup was maybe real, but there’s an obvious point where they go from “This happened” to “Yeah, *that* happened”
DM conspires with OP to get "revenge", that never happens, to "teach him a lesson", that he apparently never learned, all while OP is still really uncomfortable with all this... Sounds like the DM manipulated OP into staying in the game just to add some extra drama.
Maybe the couple even got a kick out of this. This is so wrong in many levels. I expected the storry twist to be the gm flirting with OP to get back to the wizard - but this sh..show i did not expect
What's weird is the story claims OP is friends with the DM for a long time. So they would know how they act and what ever weird power play they like. Cause we all end up learning way to much about long term friends someway or another. So either the story is fake, exaggerated, or OP was Krayne. Cause OP being Asa makes no sense to stick with this for as long as they did, not complain to the DM why isn't anything happening to their spouse, or anything along those lines.
@@kuzmavolkov Could easily be true; OP just doesn't realize their friend has manipulative or even abusive tendencies. It's sadly very common, these days especially with people learning half their social skills from interacting through a screen. Look at the unfortunate memes around male feminists turning out to be abusers, why does it happen so often? Because that outspoken identity is the crux of their manipulation; logic dictates that they can't be abusive and also pro-women, so their partners often dismiss their (usually sporadic) abusive behavior. The point of manipulation is to trick the target into thinking that the lie you're telling them can't possibly be a lie and so they dismiss the truth as being impossible. So it is absolutely possible for OP to think that they're friends with the DM while being emotionally manipulated and used, and the DM may or may not even realize their own abusive habits (most abusers don't think they're abusers).
IMHO doesn't sound like that revenge was worth at all. Putting so much time to try "to teach him a lesson" while still feeling very uncomfortable, with the mention of age difference, and all just for a *character* to have a suicidal mood and eventually the very same giving not just the killing blow to Asa but also being extra creepy about it.
Worst part it sounds like all it did was give the creep vindication when he was scorned by the character who rejected him being evil and a good passive character being all over him. If anything I don't see how this didn't just reinforce the creep factor. The fact the messages continued and the campaign partial died due to "lack of fun" should tell you everything. This 'revenge' didn't do anything.
This is a failed revenge, dm didn't do anything to wizard and op lost a character no doubt to the DM's jealousy if anything this sounds like the dm got revenge on asa because wizard couldn't keep it in his pants.
indeed. all this did was let a incel get revenge on the girl that rejected him. nothing was learned and now he even get's to feel smug about what he did rather than shame.
Agreed. This was just passive aggressiveness that went over his head. Nothing was learned, and the problem player only wound up feeling vindicated and justified in the end. The victim in this winds up playing the bad guy and in character, looking like a horrible person all for what? This was a complete backfire. You. got. Played.
Yeah, that's not how you handle a creep. You talk to them out of character and tell them to stop, you tell them you're uncomfortable. If they don't stop, you have a vote to see who leaves the group. That's the best way to deal with it in my experience.
eh, if somebody's being a creep, they should be the person to leave the group because they made the situation - no vote required, especially if they're going as far as this guy did.
@@katiethompson8174 hi, I'm sorry your friend had to go through that. Clearly the guy was a jerk and a creep to a professional degree. it's unfortunate how that played out so... Ambiguously.
@@nutterbutter9069 having group support is very important for people who are being targeted by creeps. The group is either with the creep or with the victim and all parties need to know where everyone stands on the matter. That way the creep can be held accountable and get a taste of the way people in general respond to that sort of behavior. Sometimes a group is full of creeps and if the victim is without sympathy they need to leave, and forcing the group to vote you out makes that easier.
@@katiethompson8174 excuse me wtf he’s literally a great person who has a really hard time picking up on social cues and it’s not fair at all that this guys uncomfortable feelings we’re not communicated. ITS A CHARACTER IN A GAME
This was the opposite of a perfect revenge. Since when was this a revenge. The Flipping Wizard guy got it all at the end....I don't get it. This was a horrible story with no good end xD. Though I guess it is a real story. I'm sorry for you, Asa player, you deserved better and so did your character. Changes you made not even for yourself but because you trusted your DM. God dammm...
Glad it worked for them. Was not revenge in any real way to me. The guy that wanted to sleep with the elf girl was rejected and then he got to kill her and carry her head around as punishment? Sounds like the girl was punished - made a BBEG and then beheaded! And the part where he started dumping on himself was classic abuser behavior. “I did so wrong” speech and expected the women he tried to sleep with to make it better?! I personally don’t know I would have stayed at the table. Sounds like the entire thing was messed up.
And then to have the NPC (who's just the DM) run up to him after being rejected is basically reinforcing that response. OP didn't fall for it but DM sure did, or at least was satisfied OP got to say what she wanted to say to ultimately make herself look like the good person forgiving him. Fucking disgusting.
I’m still trying to figure out how anyone learned anything about anything from this story, Considering that about a third of the way through the fanfic starts. I am still trying also to figure out what Krayne was? I thought he was a Dragonborn? Then a half elf? Then a shapeshifter? Was he a wizard? Magus? Spell sword? Fighter with a flaming sword? I am just.... confused..
This was just wrong in all accounts. The intentions were wrong, the path chosen was wrong where nothing came from it, and the author was just manipulated and controlled like a puppet caught in the middle of a spat between Zeus and Hera.
And had the exact outcome from being in between the two. The "revenge" was just for the DM to revel in Wizard's discomfort and have someone talk shit to them, only for that desire to fizzle out because "I can't stay mad at you I luuurve youuuuuu"
Well, it was the creepy player that summoned the drama so I am totally on OP's & DM's side. And, all players being pawns of gods in their personal spats, is a total fantasy setting method of operation... so very fair game in AD&D. If the role-playing gain was a genre that involved a universe with no gods of any kind (that includes all greater powers), I'd be more prone to agree.
This sounds like the DM was conspiring with the creep to punish OP for rejecting the creep's advances, and OP was too stupid to realize he was being played for a fool the entire time...
it sounds more like DM asked if OP had actually told wizard to stop when they were "ready to leave the campaign" so OP left and wrote a revenge fanfic about the story but forgot about the revenge part.
I have no patience for creeps like these, but seeing how his character was facing off against the big bad, it would be interesting to see a self sacrifice plot twist. That way, he gets punished for what he did while also (for once) doing the right thing.
So OP refers to the characters by name, but the players by class, but not the class they're playing, instead calling them the class they like playing... Then says Cleric is playing a cleric like that should be obvious, when in the next breath introduces Wizard, who is playing a bard. But wait! Wizard doesn't want to play a bard, so he changes... to a sorcerer. Wt-actual-f OP? And all that is not even mentioning the fact that there was no plotting in the story, no revenge, no lesson, and the Creep (which would have been a much better identifier than Wizard) even gets to justifiably kill the object of his frustration. This was just a D&D story about an interesting campaign and roleplaying. The fact that there was a creepy player that actually got a payoff to their RP in the worst way is a side story to the campaign itself.
I'm fairly certain that this is more of a story of how a child got gaslit by her DM and a weird older guy into playing into some weird, and incredibly uncomfortable power fantasy stories. I mean, this guy gets to treat her however he pleases, she's encouraged to play along with it to "teach him a lesson" and how does it result? Multiple weeks, in and out of character abuse and harassment. I feel awful for this girl, it seems like she was manipulated by multiple parties, and doesn't even realize it.
I would say no lesson was taught. Sounds like a Los on everyone's part to me. No need to make big plans, just kill his PC while he sleeps. Super simple, and great Revenge. As a DM I make it very clear that if anybody goes down those bizarre creepy evil paths during a game, I will kill off their character.
Dkesnt that limit story capability though? My character went evil in a campaign I was in. Tldr, arcanist started good, was traumatized by a near death experience. Tried to use magic to solve his problems until he crossed the necessary ethics boundary to achieve lichdom. Ingame his research accidentally created an undead curse that was spreading like a plague, in order to not ruin the world hd worked so hard to live forever in, started using the criminal underground d to help stop the spread and work with the party to get tabs on the bbeg my character made a 'truce' with during his lich research. It was an incredibly fun story. Would you have killed him for kidnapping homeless people ro practice soul magic and magical devices used to pulling souls out of the body safely?
@@xenosayain1506 maybe . . . But I'm more worried about someone going evil and acting out cuties type stuff and rape scenes. I also wouldn't allow them doing any type of sexual stuff at the table. That is how you get put in prison for sexual harassment. Anyone who allows that is just crazy
@@andrewthomas4636 it isnt crazy, it depends on the story. That is like saying rated r movies with adult content shouldn't exist. Just make the expectations and disclaimer at the start. Sexual tension is ok, if a character has swx. I just fade to black, say it was great, and tell how much time passed. You can describe the horror of rape mentally without acting out sex. Happened to a player by a creature in my campaign. A homebrew creature we borrowed from a video game. The size of young dragon it pinned her down. Pierce her stomach with its tail and implanted an embryo(similar to a xenomorph from alien) then came the undertone of unwanted pregnancy and the ticking clock.(players came up with an aweso.e off the rails way of removing the parasite. Sexual undertones being one of our characters infiltrated the lings chamber as a concubine. We'd fade to black when duty called, but it paid dividends for story content and the assassination that came later. Point being. Discuss what each group is ok with an go there. No one is saying go x rated, but what is wrong with an r rated movie?
@@xenosayain1506 yeah, but for me I don't want to open that kind of door and not be able to close it. I do explain right at the beginning of every one of my sessions my definitive lines. Getting super dark and super creepy is the reason why D&D as the negative stigma that it does. I know several people that said they will never play D&D again because of issues just like that. My argument would be, just cuz some people are okay with it doesn't mean everybody is okay with it. Those are the kinds of things that can break up a party, and many times people will say they are okay with it when they really aren't because they don't want to be the odd man out.
@@andrewthomas4636 then judge it group by group. And if you are too uncomfortable with it, that is ok to. All I was trying to get across is the more dark and adult content can be ok. Just have some defining lines that are gauged by and discussed by the group before play. If not you might miss out on some stuff. The torture of the homeless turning them undead was kind of gruesome and uncomfortable. It also led to an awesome storyline because we discussed it beforehand. So you do you and have fun ultimately. I'm trying to offer food for thought.
This was a failure by all accounts, and on all sides. If a player is being creepy, talk to them about it and get them to stop. If they don't stop, then they have the leave the game. If they can't leave because they are married to the DM, then don't stick with the game. This "revenge" story ended with the creep's character continue being a creep and making the victim uncomfortable for the entire game. It continued even after killing the player character that was trying to teach him a lesson.
Seriously feels like Asa was in charge for the first half of the horror story and then a complete 180 was flipped and all of a sudden it was Crane the shit bag telling the story. "Perfect Revenge" was absolute bullshit, there was no revenge, it was the almost but still perfect revenge for Crane. He got rejected countlessly, he was shamed rightfully so, tricked, and then got to behead the character Asa and gallivant it around like a trophy while also taking on the lead until the very end of the campaign. The fact that the person is even still friends with this couple is alarming on its own, especially the DM who allowed ALL OF THIS. No, you drop that couple harder than a sack of bricks hiding the evidence in a lake.
this story was incredibly lame, it all turned into a big nothing burger at the end. The DM was trash for dragging it out and not putting their foot down when an obvious problem was happening, Creepy player learned nothing and basically got to be the hero, and the player whose perspective this is from is foolish for sticking around and dealing with a no win situation. Once Again I would like to remind everyone: NO TABLETOP IS BETTER THAN BAD TABLETOP.
1. To you GM's out there... Keep your "Couples' Issues" OUT of the damn Game! Don't use Game scenario or mechanics to punish or teach your S.O. a lesson. Don't employ, or harass other Players into plotting with you on your S.O... Don't get pissed off about In-Game flirting and take it out on the other Players OR your S.O... Don't let your senses of Reality vs. Fantasy get so blurred you can't tell which is real!!! If you have issue with your S.O.'s flirtatious nature In-Game, then take it up in conversation (personal AND PRIVATE) with your S.O. Get your OWN sh*t together so you can functionally run the Game. ASK about the flirtations between Characters if you need, and worry about the foundations of your relationship at THAT level, not plastering the sh*t all over the rest of us. Most of the time, we (Other Players) are just having fun In-Game and In-Character through the R.P. We do NOT give a damn what the hell ever your petty and personal issues are. 2. For you Players out there... Pay attention to when "plotting" with or around the GM might have anything to do with a "Lovers' Tiff"... AND AVOID the "Couples' Issues" with In-Game antics at ANY AND EVERY cost!!! This ALSO includes NOT using In-Game scenario or mechanics to HELP teach anyone's S.O. a thing or three!!! Don't take the sh*t of harassment, employment, or berating and shaming (etc...etc...ETC) to get involved with a GM who seeks to punish others with the Game. Try not to piss off anyone else around the Table with In-Game antics in general, but ESPECIALLY be careful about shared flirtations with other's S.O.'s in general... That includes occasional side-convo's with someone who might take it as a sleight to re-assure them it's JUST the In-Game RP between CHARACTERS... It's a Game, and thereby should be FUN!!! Yes, we pick on each other and give each other grief from time to time, from long-standing private jokes about the record-holding series of fumbles to suspiciously overt romances springing up between certain Players and Characters at the Table... It CAN be funny, particularly when a couple Players are well seasoned for that kind of banter, and consistently get kindled into relationships because the rest of the Table is too entertained with it... Okay... fine enough... AND then we laugh it off and get BACK TO REALITY. All you're ever going to do with this kind of antics is collapse the dynamics between Players and GM, and bring down Campaigns prematurely... You'll eventually do enough damage that relationships suffer or come apart altogether. and you'll eventually hate yourself for participating in something so destructive, even self-destructive. IF you find yourself inescapably dragged into petty relationship BULLSHIT, quit the game. It's just not worth it... I'd rather sit alone and become a bad novelist than play in a Game where I'm constantly too on guard to have any fun, or afraid I'm setting fire to someone else's relationship. I'd rather just bitch mindlessly in online forums about the horrible people around me and NEVER play again, than stoop to this kind of crap... AND make no mistake, this was (in fact) crap. As much as I love D&D, and I regard it as THE greatest hobby in the world, I still value my friends more. I can only hope others share my sentiments on both portions of that. ;o)
It felt less of a lesson and more of a "Well, now that she's clearly on a different path from you... You're a main anime protagonist with different intentions now."
10 minutes in, I scroll down to the comments and see everyone saying no actual revenge occurs. Now I'm not even going to finish this video. I clicked on it to hear a creep get his comeuppance. If that's not what I'm getting, I'm no longer invested in this story.
That was... a lot to take in. I don't know how I feel right now, but it isn't any form of satisfaction over how the story got resolved. Feels more like a compromise that doesn't actually address the problems that started the whole issue in the first place.
Wow seriously, what a poor way to handle the game imo. It made the victim go down a path they were EVEN MORE UNCOMFORTABLE with and gratified the asshole creep with a victory. Creep and DM ruin DnD for a casual player- more accurate title possibly
A line that wasn't in this story but could've really taught that lesson: Asa - "You'd have to rape me to have me, Krayne. That is how much I despise you." Or just have her call him a rapist at some point to some capacity; such as comparing Krayne to a rapist. Most creeps will back off if they're called out like that & take a moment to reflect. They either stop being a creep or don't learn the lesson.
I think there was waaaaay too much roleplaying for this to be a revenge story against the player. Revenge against the character would have been "You wake up this morning only to find that your dick has been stolen by a fae and your libido has gone with it, you no longer feel attraction to asha...or any woman for that matter." Revenge against the player would have been a swift ban.
I think the far better option would to just boot the toxic player without ruining the campaign for the sake of 'teaching a lesson' with a plan that includes your ribs getting crushed. But hey, at least it turned into an interesting story
Two minutes after the game starts I would call everybody crazy, and leave the session. But for some reason this person enjoyed the drama and stayed. This tells me that he was not better that the drama they created.
DM: Trash(Should've booted Krayne and not make Asa endure that at all.) Krayne: Trash(Absolute creepshow and needs help) Asa: Shouldn't have had to endure that and should've left
I myself will always prefer the solution of a DM honestly approaching a problem player and telling them that they're out of line to conspiring with another player to punish them. The players need to be able to trust their DM and a maliciously conspiring DM destroys that.
Gonna be real here, wizard is a absolute creep but DM really needed to respect Asa and her player and either have set it up so asa’s old player got to kill her, or at least killed wizard’s character first.
I feel bad for OP, they were relentlessly targeted by a perverted creep, then manipulated by an irrationally jealous and enabling DM. The DM should have nipped that mess in the bud the moment it started, instead they punished OP by making them completely change their character, taking ownership of said character, then allowed Wizard's character to become the hero while desecrating OP's character in the most evil and obsessive way possible. The DM's entire plan to "teach wizard a lesson" was really just an elaborate way to victim shame OP.
I was once part of a live action roleplay group where they had a wish spell. the entire point of it, was to be a fun trap for greedy characters. In the time I went there there wasn't a single wish made that had a happy ending, as the GM's would all sit down together between sessions and try to find holes in peoples wishes. (whished had to be submitted the session before the wish was cast.) When whispers of one of BBE possibly getting resurrected started, a group of people made a 26 page document with a single wish that the same BBE to stay dead next time they were killed. (If I remember correctly, Killing people was the one thing a wish couldn't do.) So to me 8 pages sounds perfectly reasonable.
Oh how I wish Asa had at least ended in a double kill of Krayne and Asa at least because she seemed intelligent enough to put up a plan ahead but I guess things don't work out like such since Elves happen to be my favorite base race to play
well everybody keeps complaining about unjust deserts, so I will just add this: Regarding the murder hobo's ever changing backstory: "Did I ever tell you how I got these scars?"
So I'm playing a character with multiple personality disorder, and one of the personalities has actually made a deal with our bbeg, and is likely to try and get his own body and likely will be a problem for the party eventually
You should play her again with a revenge story with her being ressurected after learning her lesson but still holding a grudge. So she uses he new life to become some one new amd have wizard play as a character too. His same character from before havung her old skull as proof. Through out this whole thing she becomes more amd more familiar and then the twist. She bocame a dark elf aftee being ressurected and became more powerful than before. And then endimg wizards character by holding him down with one foot cracking his sternum not letting him breath and slicung it off. Or letting him go sayinh shes won. Ending her role as a character with her leavung the party to lead a new life.
I think out of this whole thing, only the DM got something she wanted, and the problem player did as well when he managed to earn a cathartic relapse. This sounds like another story I've heard, actually, only it was a chick getting indignant that another person's character wouldn't return their advances, while that person was already an evil character as planned, which ended up blowing up early, after which said chick was no longer a problem player. Same thing happened at the end, except the real problem was on the verge of being addressed and then snuffed out by an early reveal. In that case, and in this one, the problem was never truly addressed, and nobody learned anything.
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!! The wizard learned absolutely nothing and got the happy end!! This is like a Greek myth where Zeus and Hera get into a spat because of a mortal woman only for her life to be utterly ruined while Zeus gets off scot free without learning a darn thing while Hera acts like she succeeded in teaching him a lesson!! NO, THIS IS NOT GOOD!! OP should have left the campaign long before the "revenge"!!!
that was far from a perfect revenge. that was barely revenge at all, OP just suffered through extra stuff, had to give up their character in the end and then watch the person who made them uncomfortable in the first place, destroy their original character
Or the DM could have, you know kicked him out, I'm not even half way through and this story already A. Doesn't make any sense as to how this is a punishment in any way shape or form B. The OP even says they basically alienated the cleric during all this and they felt bad about it..so remind me how the DM is any better then the problem player? Also suspicious when they were basically told when they joined the campaign to play a female character...red flags...red flags everywhere
I liked the good story of character interaction, I don't like that it came at the expense of OP's comfort and an imposed shift in character, though glad OP got to have fun anyway with it. I agree with many of the other comments here, as a revenge it's not really that good, and more often than not the best way to deal with a problem like this is to take it out of character, had a player in my group do a similar thing of continuously hitting in my character, no matter how hard she said no, which included drawing a gun on him, so when I realized he wasn't going to get it I laid it out very plainly in a long paragraph explaining my discomfort and how I wasn't having fun and a few other things, and he gave a short apology, and it was *years* before he hit on one of my characters again, and if he got shut down by other party members he tried flirting with he'd back off quickly. He was still a problem character in other ways and the main reason he was at our table for so long is he was young and we thought we could teach him to be better, haven't invited him back once he realized we couldn't help in that.
If I were DM and doing a similar thing... The girl would have not become the BBEG, and I would have had Krayne be working for/aligned with the BBEG (he sounded like he wanted the death of the Elven race) and fudge dice rolls into killing him or putting him into a nightmare realm where he is on the recieving end. Maybe have a succubus that preys on guys like that help Asa kill him... (My trans ace succubus, Bob, could make an appearance!)
Imo this doesn't sound like the perfect revenge, and I really don't think the DM made the right calls here. It involved the narrator investing hours and hours into making their character something they hadn't wanted to, while continuing to be made uncomfortable by Wizard. There's also no lesson in having Krayne be the one who (brutally) kills Asa for rejecting him (being the BBEG was pretty clearly secondary to that), and letting him beat her up prior to that. There was no sense of revenge in either of those things, just more of the narrator's PC suffering because of Krayne to varying degrees. If anything, this is the perfect example of how NOT to plan a revenge, or handle a creep. In contrast to this, I remember the time when I came to one of my DMs about another player saying something wildly inappropriate about my PC and she immediately talked to the other player (under no uncertain terms), and the problem was handled right there with no further drama or discomfort. For revenge, this channel has posted so many legitimately satisfying PvP revenge stories, and imo, I really feel like that's how this should have gone if the narrator and the DM wanted to work the revenge angle. Like, the right angle is not to change Asa into a horrible baddy, it's to recognize Krayne for the baddy he already is, and treat him as such in the narrative (and no, it doesn't matter if the problem player is your partner).
I am planning to try and make a character who by acting completely in his own self-interest does a whole lot of good for a lot of people. Befriends an abused goblin of the Boros Legiion (yes we are in Ravinca. Gives him access to powerful items promises him immortality and a lot more so he can have a get out of death free card and an insider agent. Has friends stick into the ranks of the Orzhov Syndicate to free indentured souls just to not down Orzhov but hey the freed souls will be pleased. Just doing all the accidental goodness and kindness being spread by someone that just wants knowledge and power for the sake of having more.
I would not have continued to play with the party if it made me uncomfortable every time. Also the others players should have voiced this as well. Honestly the lack of any one else caring is a huge problem, and the idea to change your character from what is was (IMO pretty disgusting). I would never change my character because of how another player is acting, that is disrespectful to my characters. All of which I lovingly make, the solution to a shitty player is never to ignore him and try to change your fun and playstyle to try to make them go away. Instead the party should have had a chat with the player after session about his actions. Also again as I always state, in session 0 one of the things dm's and players need to talk about is what is okay and not okay. Since there are players issues about characters dating each other when the players themselves have someone they are dating (playing in the same campaign). There should never be a thing involving the character x character stuff. Also there should be some kind of punishment if the players break the session 0 rules. If there was then that player may not have made that campaign miserable for you.
Oh for sure Asa would have murdered Krane. I as DM would have had Asa get a wish spell of Point Of Death NO SAVING THROW on Krane. So whenever she saw Krane she could monologue then halfway through monologue point at Krane and he just pops. Like a video game gore explosion. Complete with extra organs and blood. In fact that is revealed as Asas' preferred way of death. Death by extra organs and blood other than skin. Then make re roll a current level character. That guy needs to be humbled.
I killed one of my murderhobo players(good friend but can't be serious for the life of him) after some messed up shenanigans and murder in the town they entered, he barely escaped the guards and ran into the woods with 1 HP where he conveniently ran into the BBEG's goons that were gonna be attacking peasants that night. That was the only player character I've killed, I think that ways a lot better than what happened in this video.
I do not agree with how the DM handled it. It does not sound as a "lesson", considering how in the end the person that was the "victim" of the creepy behavior, ended up losing more than the creep. Sounds to me like subtly reinforcing the edgelord and creepy behavior of the guy, and rewarding him with having the satisfaction of killing the "evil elf". Feels wrong
Ignoring the creepiness of this, the story that this drives is actually really good. The IRL stuff might have been bad, but a former team mate revealed to have been evil and the character drama was actually quite well done.
to my knowledge attempted murder of a princess is punishable by death. the second he entered elven lands they would have executed him. the rest of the party might have had a trial but if she is the new queen/ruler of the elven lands he would have not lived that long with her LE alignment.
That entire campaign seemed to be engineered to create drama and angst, definitely not my cup of tea. Character interactions should be strictly disassociated from real life. If a player, begins to suffer due to consequences affecting their character, I recommend a heart to heart conversation with a rational adult. Being able to separate your own real life personal feelings from whatever your character might be going through in a make believe roleplaying game, should be a mandatory skill required by all players and D.M.s. Failure to exhibit this skill, should perhaps sound a warning bell, that perhaps this sort of activity is not mentally or emotionally safe for that player. Let’s face it some people just cannot handle it.
Creepy behavior by players attempting to fulfill lurid sexual fantasies with an unwilling participant, should not be tolerated by a D.M. Or the rest of the party. It must be nipped in the bud and forbidden to persist. Kicking out the offensive player after 1 warning should alleviate that problem.
Geez this was real freaking uncomfortable to listen to, like holding onto a sneeze that's punching you in the face. No fault of your own, it was narrated well as usual, but this felt like an absolute win for the creepy player. He got cool roleplay interactions out of it, he murdered the character who rejected him, and the player had to sit through an uncomfortable experience being strung along by the DM. Not sure what the takeaway is. I do hope OP has gotten a better grasp of her boundaries and won't put up with this in future games, and I'm at least glad she got some cool fulfilling bits out of it. I'm always skeptical of any DM that tries to solve problems between players using the actual game itself instead of just straight up talking to or even kicking players if they're making the others uncomfortable....
Not going to lie, if the problem player could have separated IC from OOC and wasn't being a creep in PMs; the In-Character drama and traveling with a BBEG could have made for a good story. But, that option was entirely lost in this case.
So DM felt uncomfortable with what ‘Creep‘ did and didn’t tell the person who made her/him uncomfortable, but instead manipulated OP until OP felt uncomfortable too, so they could both not talk to the ‘Creep‘ who is oblivious at this point and plot revenge on him? This is indeed a DnD horror story, but the villain isn’t the one they call creep, it’s OP and the DM.
Yeeah as everyone else said, no lesson was learned and it got REALLY petty. Interesting story though. But dumb move on the player's part staying, shame on the DM not putting their foot down (also don't see how making elven hitler would fix the creep problem at all), and shame on the creep for what he did. The fact the DM is still together with problem player creep is a red flag the player clearly hasn't heeded, not sure if DM is naive but that relationship sounds like a ticking time bomb of red flags.
Experienced DM here.. It bothers me that the female character was a requirement. You don't do that unless you have motivation to act on something related to that. Which never happens here. I am seriously wondering if the DM and that player were working together. Also 3 people is plenty for a party. You DO NOT use a DMPC ever. Especially 2 or 3 where it makes up half the party, that is just toxic by itself. If you ever find out there is a DMPC (especially multiple) RUN. IDK if they are IRL friends....just...go P.S. I will never purposefully kill a PC under normal circumstances....but if I was the DM here and this stuff got creepy and didn't stop after warnings....I would have plotted with Asta to eventually have her kill that PC....or at least have her leave him to die in a trap or something. Then if that continued with next PC they would have been out of the game. Even if they were my partner. Although I don't know who would ever want a partner like that....
"the kind of guy that writes an 8 page document about wish" Wait... Wizard was the guy who usurped the DM in the other video by making himself a god with wish?
So where was the revenge in this story?? Did I miss something? The creep never had to pay for any of his player's crimes (only just a 'woe is me' moment), let alone *actually learn anything* as teh player. That was so lame. Crane wrecked the game's fun for everyone else, and practically 'won' the game he was playing. If this was revenge, it FAILED. I subscribed when I saw the Astoshan story, which was amazing, as well as a lot of the other stories around that time (The ogre crafty smith story, Selena the superficial, the friendly black dragon one), but recently too many failed stories like this make me question staying.
ah, you see this story is mis-leading. It truly is a bully story of what happens to players caught in the middle of two S.O. players and thier manipulative and abusive actions. the TLDR here is if you don't have a session 0 and you don't bring up issues after session with everyone at the table, then this is the inevitable outcome. So before that last part happens leave the group if the creep wont.
Inter party drama and turmoil has rarely ever turned out well for me as a D.M. Especially if it’s actually the players that have a problem with each other. Adult RP scenarios with people that can actually separate their real life from their character’s situations make for the best role players in my humble opinion. Player’s need to imagine themselves as “actors” in a play or movie, this should help them detach their personal feelings from their character. Too many role players seem to have a hard time with this, it’s sad. If you are a deeply troubled person there exists a high probability your character’s will be deeply troubled, this can allow for unexpected triggered events to occur where your “Character’s” feelings get hurt and you as a player will begin to form resentments towards the offending player, just because of something their character did. Let’s all analyze our ability to keep characters and players separate in our minds. Try not to be a creep, treat the D.M. and the other players with respect, or at least politely and enjoy the role play for what it is. Taking a shower and bringing snacks or drinks to a game is usually well received as well. Try not to be tardy. Pay attention to the story as it unfolds, especially when it’s not your turn. These few helpful hints will go a long way in any group RPG.
I'm kind of curious how Asa was the villain, since the humans were trying to genocide her people first... Also I am in agreement with just about everyone commenting. There was no revenge, let alone a perfect revenge. Having Asa be futa and turning the tables on Crane after paralyzing him would have been a better revenge.
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This was an awesome story
No I have not, and I am happy with that
Ehhh, depending on ones definition of creep possibly
Once when I was DMming, twice when I was a player in 5e AL.
Once, kept creeping on a girl in our group in a D&D Adventures group. It was....bad, and couldn't get him to leave because he was related to the store owner.
That wasn't satisfying revenge at all! What actually happened to his character to teach him anything!? Then there's the fact that HE gets the kill shot and probably feels super justified doing it. NO ONE LEARNED ANYTHING IN THIS!
100% agree. This was an out of game issue. They tried to solve it in game and it clearly didn't work. Creep should have been confronted or the op should have just left.
Preach it, brother.
i learned that i have a fetish for xenophobic elf chicks. that's something.
@@JT5555 lmao
100% Agree......
This is a weird story because of the way the DM forced them to play a female character that the DM’s partner immediately then hit on? Yeah, shit is suss from the start. I doubt DM was as oblivious as they acted.
NO DOUBT
I feel like the DM was a mastermind
I think DM knew about Wizard's...creepier aspects, and was using Asa to teach Wizard a lesson. I have to agree with others in stating, "clearly that lesson A) wasn't a good one, and B) wasn't learned, in any event."
I do like the whole, "This PC was secretly evil all along" angle, though. Having a PC with goals directly opposed to the rest of the party is definitely a way to get some interesting play and counterplay going on, especially if one character is able to catch wind of that.
Yea dm is also as bad as wizard but for slightly different reasons.
I think the wizard was only hitting on OP to make the DM jealous
I don’t see how the wizard learned anything from this. He even still got to kill Asa later on down the line. This dm make no sense...
I think the DM wanted to catch their irl partner in the act of cheating. It sounds like they might have, but at this player's expense... Of course, there's also the possibility the DM and their irl partner are into this kind of thing and were doing a power trip... eugh.
It's never ok when a player takes IC into OOC. Ever. We're here to play pretendy-fun-time when we play D&D, not make real drama between people.
@@hexxidelux6224 well said.
If you compromise your morals to teach a lesson, you taught nothing worth learning.
They have multiple DMPCs, you can't trust a DM who has those.
That’s because this story is fake. At least from a certain point onward at the minimum. I can believe the setup was maybe real, but there’s an obvious point where they go from “This happened” to “Yeah, *that* happened”
DM conspires with OP to get "revenge", that never happens, to "teach him a lesson", that he apparently never learned, all while OP is still really uncomfortable with all this...
Sounds like the DM manipulated OP into staying in the game just to add some extra drama.
And into ruining her own character for her partner to later kill heroicly
You cannot teach someone a lesson with a Xerxes seized ego.
Kill him or don't.
There is no lesson.
Maybe the couple even got a kick out of this. This is so wrong in many levels. I expected the storry twist to be the gm flirting with OP to get back to the wizard - but this sh..show i did not expect
What's weird is the story claims OP is friends with the DM for a long time. So they would know how they act and what ever weird power play they like. Cause we all end up learning way to much about long term friends someway or another. So either the story is fake, exaggerated, or OP was Krayne. Cause OP being Asa makes no sense to stick with this for as long as they did, not complain to the DM why isn't anything happening to their spouse, or anything along those lines.
@@kuzmavolkov Could easily be true; OP just doesn't realize their friend has manipulative or even abusive tendencies. It's sadly very common, these days especially with people learning half their social skills from interacting through a screen.
Look at the unfortunate memes around male feminists turning out to be abusers, why does it happen so often? Because that outspoken identity is the crux of their manipulation; logic dictates that they can't be abusive and also pro-women, so their partners often dismiss their (usually sporadic) abusive behavior. The point of manipulation is to trick the target into thinking that the lie you're telling them can't possibly be a lie and so they dismiss the truth as being impossible.
So it is absolutely possible for OP to think that they're friends with the DM while being emotionally manipulated and used, and the DM may or may not even realize their own abusive habits (most abusers don't think they're abusers).
IMHO doesn't sound like that revenge was worth at all.
Putting so much time to try "to teach him a lesson" while still feeling very uncomfortable, with the mention of age difference,
and all just for a *character* to have a suicidal mood and eventually the very same giving not just the killing blow to Asa but also being extra creepy about it.
Worst part it sounds like all it did was give the creep vindication when he was scorned by the character who rejected him being evil and a good passive character being all over him. If anything I don't see how this didn't just reinforce the creep factor. The fact the messages continued and the campaign partial died due to "lack of fun" should tell you everything. This 'revenge' didn't do anything.
This is a failed revenge, dm didn't do anything to wizard and op lost a character no doubt to the DM's jealousy if anything this sounds like the dm got revenge on asa because wizard couldn't keep it in his pants.
indeed. all this did was let a incel get revenge on the girl that rejected him. nothing was learned and now he even get's to feel smug about what he did rather than shame.
Agreed. This was just passive aggressiveness that went over his head. Nothing was learned, and the problem player only wound up feeling vindicated and justified in the end. The victim in this winds up playing the bad guy and in character, looking like a horrible person all for what? This was a complete backfire.
You. got. Played.
@@watcherofmemelords7967 This is kind of my take too.
Yeah, that's not how you handle a creep. You talk to them out of character and tell them to stop, you tell them you're uncomfortable. If they don't stop, you have a vote to see who leaves the group. That's the best way to deal with it in my experience.
Hi I know the person who went through this and he was such a fucking ass who had the biggest head he has the worst god complex I have ever seen
eh, if somebody's being a creep, they should be the person to leave the group because they made the situation - no vote required, especially if they're going as far as this guy did.
@@katiethompson8174 hi, I'm sorry your friend had to go through that. Clearly the guy was a jerk and a creep to a professional degree. it's unfortunate how that played out so... Ambiguously.
@@nutterbutter9069 having group support is very important for people who are being targeted by creeps. The group is either with the creep or with the victim and all parties need to know where everyone stands on the matter. That way the creep can be held accountable and get a taste of the way people in general respond to that sort of behavior. Sometimes a group is full of creeps and if the victim is without sympathy they need to leave, and forcing the group to vote you out makes that easier.
@@katiethompson8174 excuse me wtf he’s literally a great person who has a really hard time picking up on social cues and it’s not fair at all that this guys uncomfortable feelings we’re not communicated. ITS A CHARACTER IN A GAME
This was the opposite of a perfect revenge. Since when was this a revenge. The Flipping Wizard guy got it all at the end....I don't get it. This was a horrible story with no good end xD.
Though I guess it is a real story. I'm sorry for you, Asa player, you deserved better and so did your character. Changes you made not even for yourself but because you trusted your DM.
God dammm...
Glad it worked for them. Was not revenge in any real way to me. The guy that wanted to sleep with the elf girl was rejected and then he got to kill her and carry her head around as punishment? Sounds like the girl was punished - made a BBEG and then beheaded!
And the part where he started dumping on himself was classic abuser behavior. “I did so wrong” speech and expected the women he tried to sleep with to make it better?!
I personally don’t know I would have stayed at the table. Sounds like the entire thing was messed up.
And then to have the NPC (who's just the DM) run up to him after being rejected is basically reinforcing that response. OP didn't fall for it but DM sure did, or at least was satisfied OP got to say what she wanted to say to ultimately make herself look like the good person forgiving him. Fucking disgusting.
You can pinpoint the moment this story bacames a fanfic of itself
lol yep
I was sort of thinking the same thing when that part with the begging came up.
I’m still trying to figure out how anyone learned anything about anything from this story, Considering that about a third of the way through the fanfic starts.
I am still trying also to figure out what Krayne was? I thought he was a Dragonborn? Then a half elf? Then a shapeshifter? Was he a wizard? Magus? Spell sword? Fighter with a flaming sword?
I am just.... confused..
@@braynechylde4982 He was whatever OP wanted him to be at the time to bash him better.
@@darklord884 I doubt that's the case. If anything this sounds like OP was actually Krane but knew it would sound bad if told in his perspective
This was just wrong in all accounts. The intentions were wrong, the path chosen was wrong where nothing came from it, and the author was just manipulated and controlled like a puppet caught in the middle of a spat between Zeus and Hera.
Man, that's the best way to describe this. The OP was just a pawn being strung along, and ultimately was the only one to suffer.
That was a perfect analogy for this situation.
And had the exact outcome from being in between the two. The "revenge" was just for the DM to revel in Wizard's discomfort and have someone talk shit to them, only for that desire to fizzle out because "I can't stay mad at you I luuurve youuuuuu"
Well, it was the creepy player that summoned the drama so I am totally on OP's & DM's side. And, all players being pawns of gods in their personal spats, is a total fantasy setting method of operation... so very fair game in AD&D. If the role-playing gain was a genre that involved a universe with no gods of any kind (that includes all greater powers), I'd be more prone to agree.
Plotting with a DM is essentialy acting knowing the gods themselves are on your side...
It's a rare experience, but oh so satisfying as well.
“I have an army”
“I have the DM”
“....Damn it.”
Happened with me on several occasions to give the newbies some spice.
@@Brythnoth_of_the_Void I have dice that let's me roll infinite nat 20s
@@Nitk16 have some that are damn near close to doing that.
This sounds like the DM was conspiring with the creep to punish OP for rejecting the creep's advances, and OP was too stupid to realize he was being played for a fool the entire time...
it sounds more like DM asked if OP had actually told wizard to stop when they were "ready to leave the campaign" so OP left and wrote a revenge fanfic about the story but forgot about the revenge part.
I have no patience for creeps like these, but seeing how his character was facing off against the big bad, it would be interesting to see a self sacrifice plot twist. That way, he gets punished for what he did while also (for once) doing the right thing.
Agreed, that would have been a better story line then creating a faction of Nazi elves.
So OP refers to the characters by name, but the players by class, but not the class they're playing, instead calling them the class they like playing... Then says Cleric is playing a cleric like that should be obvious, when in the next breath introduces Wizard, who is playing a bard. But wait! Wizard doesn't want to play a bard, so he changes... to a sorcerer. Wt-actual-f OP?
And all that is not even mentioning the fact that there was no plotting in the story, no revenge, no lesson, and the Creep (which would have been a much better identifier than Wizard) even gets to justifiably kill the object of his frustration. This was just a D&D story about an interesting campaign and roleplaying. The fact that there was a creepy player that actually got a payoff to their RP in the worst way is a side story to the campaign itself.
I'm fairly certain that this is more of a story of how a child got gaslit by her DM and a weird older guy into playing into some weird, and incredibly uncomfortable power fantasy stories. I mean, this guy gets to treat her however he pleases, she's encouraged to play along with it to "teach him a lesson" and how does it result? Multiple weeks, in and out of character abuse and harassment. I feel awful for this girl, it seems like she was manipulated by multiple parties, and doesn't even realize it.
Yeah it's triggering af that no one actually helped OP but instead gaslit and victim shamed them and their character.
I would say no lesson was taught. Sounds like a Los on everyone's part to me.
No need to make big plans, just kill his PC while he sleeps. Super simple, and great Revenge.
As a DM I make it very clear that if anybody goes down those bizarre creepy evil paths during a game, I will kill off their character.
Dkesnt that limit story capability though? My character went evil in a campaign I was in. Tldr, arcanist started good, was traumatized by a near death experience. Tried to use magic to solve his problems until he crossed the necessary ethics boundary to achieve lichdom. Ingame his research accidentally created an undead curse that was spreading like a plague, in order to not ruin the world hd worked so hard to live forever in, started using the criminal underground d to help stop the spread and work with the party to get tabs on the bbeg my character made a 'truce' with during his lich research. It was an incredibly fun story. Would you have killed him for kidnapping homeless people ro practice soul magic and magical devices used to pulling souls out of the body safely?
@@xenosayain1506 maybe . . . But I'm more worried about someone going evil and acting out cuties type stuff and rape scenes. I also wouldn't allow them doing any type of sexual stuff at the table.
That is how you get put in prison for sexual harassment. Anyone who allows that is just crazy
@@andrewthomas4636 it isnt crazy, it depends on the story. That is like saying rated r movies with adult content shouldn't exist. Just make the expectations and disclaimer at the start. Sexual tension is ok, if a character has swx. I just fade to black, say it was great, and tell how much time passed. You can describe the horror of rape mentally without acting out sex. Happened to a player by a creature in my campaign. A homebrew creature we borrowed from a video game. The size of young dragon it pinned her down. Pierce her stomach with its tail and implanted an embryo(similar to a xenomorph from alien) then came the undertone of unwanted pregnancy and the ticking clock.(players came up with an aweso.e off the rails way of removing the parasite. Sexual undertones being one of our characters infiltrated the lings chamber as a concubine. We'd fade to black when duty called, but it paid dividends for story content and the assassination that came later.
Point being. Discuss what each group is ok with an go there. No one is saying go x rated, but what is wrong with an r rated movie?
@@xenosayain1506 yeah, but for me I don't want to open that kind of door and not be able to close it. I do explain right at the beginning of every one of my sessions my definitive lines.
Getting super dark and super creepy is the reason why D&D as the negative stigma that it does.
I know several people that said they will never play D&D again because of issues just like that.
My argument would be, just cuz some people are okay with it doesn't mean everybody is okay with it. Those are the kinds of things that can break up a party, and many times people will say they are okay with it when they really aren't because they don't want to be the odd man out.
@@andrewthomas4636 then judge it group by group. And if you are too uncomfortable with it, that is ok to. All I was trying to get across is the more dark and adult content can be ok. Just have some defining lines that are gauged by and discussed by the group before play. If not you might miss out on some stuff. The torture of the homeless turning them undead was kind of gruesome and uncomfortable. It also led to an awesome storyline because we discussed it beforehand. So you do you and have fun ultimately. I'm trying to offer food for thought.
That's actually beautiful, cudos to the player for sticking to it and laying him out
This was a failure by all accounts, and on all sides.
If a player is being creepy, talk to them about it and get them to stop. If they don't stop, then they have the leave the game. If they can't leave because they are married to the DM, then don't stick with the game. This "revenge" story ended with the creep's character continue being a creep and making the victim uncomfortable for the entire game. It continued even after killing the player character that was trying to teach him a lesson.
Wizards lucky he didn't walk down the wrong dark alley !!
Seriously feels like Asa was in charge for the first half of the horror story and then a complete 180 was flipped and all of a sudden it was Crane the shit bag telling the story. "Perfect Revenge" was absolute bullshit, there was no revenge, it was the almost but still perfect revenge for Crane. He got rejected countlessly, he was shamed rightfully so, tricked, and then got to behead the character Asa and gallivant it around like a trophy while also taking on the lead until the very end of the campaign. The fact that the person is even still friends with this couple is alarming on its own, especially the DM who allowed ALL OF THIS. No, you drop that couple harder than a sack of bricks hiding the evidence in a lake.
this story was incredibly lame, it all turned into a big nothing burger at the end. The DM was trash for dragging it out and not putting their foot down when an obvious problem was happening, Creepy player learned nothing and basically got to be the hero, and the player whose perspective this is from is foolish for sticking around and dealing with a no win situation.
Once Again I would like to remind everyone: NO TABLETOP IS BETTER THAN BAD TABLETOP.
NGL, I feel bad for the Kitsune Cleric for having to witness all this mess. XD
1. To you GM's out there... Keep your "Couples' Issues" OUT of the damn Game!
Don't use Game scenario or mechanics to punish or teach your S.O. a lesson.
Don't employ, or harass other Players into plotting with you on your S.O...
Don't get pissed off about In-Game flirting and take it out on the other Players OR your S.O...
Don't let your senses of Reality vs. Fantasy get so blurred you can't tell which is real!!!
If you have issue with your S.O.'s flirtatious nature In-Game, then take it up in conversation (personal AND PRIVATE) with your S.O. Get your OWN sh*t together so you can functionally run the Game. ASK about the flirtations between Characters if you need, and worry about the foundations of your relationship at THAT level, not plastering the sh*t all over the rest of us. Most of the time, we (Other Players) are just having fun In-Game and In-Character through the R.P. We do NOT give a damn what the hell ever your petty and personal issues are.
2. For you Players out there... Pay attention to when "plotting" with or around the GM might have anything to do with a "Lovers' Tiff"... AND AVOID the "Couples' Issues" with In-Game antics at ANY AND EVERY cost!!!
This ALSO includes NOT using In-Game scenario or mechanics to HELP teach anyone's S.O. a thing or three!!!
Don't take the sh*t of harassment, employment, or berating and shaming (etc...etc...ETC) to get involved with a GM who seeks to punish others with the Game.
Try not to piss off anyone else around the Table with In-Game antics in general, but ESPECIALLY be careful about shared flirtations with other's S.O.'s in general... That includes occasional side-convo's with someone who might take it as a sleight to re-assure them it's JUST the In-Game RP between CHARACTERS...
It's a Game, and thereby should be FUN!!! Yes, we pick on each other and give each other grief from time to time, from long-standing private jokes about the record-holding series of fumbles to suspiciously overt romances springing up between certain Players and Characters at the Table... It CAN be funny, particularly when a couple Players are well seasoned for that kind of banter, and consistently get kindled into relationships because the rest of the Table is too entertained with it... Okay... fine enough... AND then we laugh it off and get BACK TO REALITY.
All you're ever going to do with this kind of antics is collapse the dynamics between Players and GM, and bring down Campaigns prematurely... You'll eventually do enough damage that relationships suffer or come apart altogether. and you'll eventually hate yourself for participating in something so destructive, even self-destructive.
IF you find yourself inescapably dragged into petty relationship BULLSHIT, quit the game. It's just not worth it... I'd rather sit alone and become a bad novelist than play in a Game where I'm constantly too on guard to have any fun, or afraid I'm setting fire to someone else's relationship. I'd rather just bitch mindlessly in online forums about the horrible people around me and NEVER play again, than stoop to this kind of crap... AND make no mistake, this was (in fact) crap.
As much as I love D&D, and I regard it as THE greatest hobby in the world, I still value my friends more. I can only hope others share my sentiments on both portions of that. ;o)
I just listened to 20 minutes of what exactly? Title should read “dm validates creep for creepyness”
Yeah. That sucked.
It felt less of a lesson and more of a "Well, now that she's clearly on a different path from you... You're a main anime protagonist with different intentions now."
10 minutes in, I scroll down to the comments and see everyone saying no actual revenge occurs. Now I'm not even going to finish this video. I clicked on it to hear a creep get his comeuppance. If that's not what I'm getting, I'm no longer invested in this story.
Yeah the creep basically won sadly. The whole thing was like Abusive Obsession: The Game.
Dude. How do you manage to upload these things as I’m sitting down to eat lunch? Your timing is incredible.
That was... a lot to take in. I don't know how I feel right now, but it isn't any form of satisfaction over how the story got resolved. Feels more like a compromise that doesn't actually address the problems that started the whole issue in the first place.
Wow seriously, what a poor way to handle the game imo.
It made the victim go down a path they were EVEN MORE UNCOMFORTABLE with and gratified the asshole creep with a victory.
Creep and DM ruin DnD for a casual player- more accurate title possibly
That’s my sister! Needless to say, Mr. Wizard should probably keep me from finding out his real name.
Dude you sisters story sounds fake, and not that good of an ending tbh.
That was a very unsatisfying conclusion...
I hate people who cant even attempt to make their backstory consistent. That's one red flag of a creep right there.
only the joker get's to do that.
A line that wasn't in this story but could've really taught that lesson:
Asa - "You'd have to rape me to have me, Krayne. That is how much I despise you."
Or just have her call him a rapist at some point to some capacity; such as comparing Krayne to a rapist. Most creeps will back off if they're called out like that & take a moment to reflect. They either stop being a creep or don't learn the lesson.
Honestly, he probably would have tried.
Your definition of perfect is very different from mine.
Yeah no, this smells like a DM setup to start drama for his own amusement.
Absolutely. This is some kind of fetish.
I've heard enough Monkey Paw stories to justify the 8 page essay to make sure you get the Wish right.
I think there was waaaaay too much roleplaying for this to be a revenge story against the player. Revenge against the character would have been "You wake up this morning only to find that your dick has been stolen by a fae and your libido has gone with it, you no longer feel attraction to asha...or any woman for that matter." Revenge against the player would have been a swift ban.
I think the far better option would to just boot the toxic player without ruining the campaign for the sake of 'teaching a lesson' with a plan that includes your ribs getting crushed. But hey, at least it turned into an interesting story
Two minutes after the game starts I would call everybody crazy, and leave the session. But for some reason this person enjoyed the drama and stayed. This tells me that he was not better that the drama they created.
DM: Trash(Should've booted Krayne and not make Asa endure that at all.)
Krayne: Trash(Absolute creepshow and needs help)
Asa: Shouldn't have had to endure that and should've left
I myself will always prefer the solution of a DM honestly approaching a problem player and telling them that they're out of line to conspiring with another player to punish them. The players need to be able to trust their DM and a maliciously conspiring DM destroys that.
These stories are why I never solo queue ranked games.
"I don't see why they can't see that this is just a game."
to
"It made me feel really uncomfortable."
Minus the romance and the beheading, this would make a good movie or book!
Gonna be real here, wizard is a absolute creep but DM really needed to respect Asa and her player and either have set it up so asa’s old player got to kill her, or at least killed wizard’s character first.
I feel bad for OP, they were relentlessly targeted by a perverted creep, then manipulated by an irrationally jealous and enabling DM. The DM should have nipped that mess in the bud the moment it started, instead they punished OP by making them completely change their character, taking ownership of said character, then allowed Wizard's character to become the hero while desecrating OP's character in the most evil and obsessive way possible. The DM's entire plan to "teach wizard a lesson" was really just an elaborate way to victim shame OP.
I was once part of a live action roleplay group where they had a wish spell. the entire point of it, was to be a fun trap for greedy characters. In the time I went there there wasn't a single wish made that had a happy ending, as the GM's would all sit down together between sessions and try to find holes in peoples wishes. (whished had to be submitted the session before the wish was cast.) When whispers of one of BBE possibly getting resurrected started, a group of people made a 26 page document with a single wish that the same BBE to stay dead next time they were killed. (If I remember correctly, Killing people was the one thing a wish couldn't do.)
So to me 8 pages sounds perfectly reasonable.
Oh how I wish Asa had at least ended in a double kill of Krayne and Asa at least because she seemed intelligent enough to put up a plan ahead but I guess things don't work out like such since Elves happen to be my favorite base race to play
"Bro I've got the perfect revenge plan. Let's give him exactly what he wants with no consequence!"
Weird revenge plan but okay.
Creeps shouldn’t be allowed to play D&D tbh. It ruins the wonderful world that is D&D for everyone
Why did they make the person dealing with the weird shit into a villain? This seemed like victim blaming with more steps.
well everybody keeps complaining about unjust deserts, so I will just add this:
Regarding the murder hobo's ever changing backstory:
"Did I ever tell you how I got these scars?"
13 blessings and three players? If you’d just had one more it would have been Pirates of Darkwater.
Great story. Would love to play a PC that secretly becomes the BBEG.
So I'm playing a character with multiple personality disorder, and one of the personalities has actually made a deal with our bbeg, and is likely to try and get his own body and likely will be a problem for the party eventually
if i ever played a character based on myself,she would HAVE to be.XD
This might make for good book
honestly your DM sounds kind of terrible.
You should play her again with a revenge story with her being ressurected after learning her lesson but still holding a grudge. So she uses he new life to become some one new amd have wizard play as a character too. His same character from before havung her old skull as proof. Through out this whole thing she becomes more amd more familiar and then the twist. She bocame a dark elf aftee being ressurected and became more powerful than before. And then endimg wizards character by holding him down with one foot cracking his sternum not letting him breath and slicung it off. Or letting him go sayinh shes won. Ending her role as a character with her leavung the party to lead a new life.
I think out of this whole thing, only the DM got something she wanted, and the problem player did as well when he managed to earn a cathartic relapse. This sounds like another story I've heard, actually, only it was a chick getting indignant that another person's character wouldn't return their advances, while that person was already an evil character as planned, which ended up blowing up early, after which said chick was no longer a problem player. Same thing happened at the end, except the real problem was on the verge of being addressed and then snuffed out by an early reveal. In that case, and in this one, the problem was never truly addressed, and nobody learned anything.
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!! The wizard learned absolutely nothing and got the happy end!! This is like a Greek myth where Zeus and Hera get into a spat because of a mortal woman only for her life to be utterly ruined while Zeus gets off scot free without learning a darn thing while Hera acts like she succeeded in teaching him a lesson!! NO, THIS IS NOT GOOD!! OP should have left the campaign long before the "revenge"!!!
I like how at no point did OP ever tell wizard to stop. It makes me believe that at least part of this story is true.
that was far from a perfect revenge. that was barely revenge at all, OP just suffered through extra stuff, had to give up their character in the end and then watch the person who made them uncomfortable in the first place, destroy their original character
“Revenge, the most worthless of causes” - King Arthur (Camelot 1967)
But the Wizard is still alive! How was that a satisfactory revenge? He could've at least been mortally wounded as well.
Or the DM could have, you know kicked him out, I'm not even half way through and this story already
A. Doesn't make any sense as to how this is a punishment in any way shape or form
B. The OP even says they basically alienated the cleric during all this and they felt bad about it..so remind me how the DM is any better then the problem player?
Also suspicious when they were basically told when they joined the campaign to play a female character...red flags...red flags everywhere
I liked the good story of character interaction, I don't like that it came at the expense of OP's comfort and an imposed shift in character, though glad OP got to have fun anyway with it. I agree with many of the other comments here, as a revenge it's not really that good, and more often than not the best way to deal with a problem like this is to take it out of character, had a player in my group do a similar thing of continuously hitting in my character, no matter how hard she said no, which included drawing a gun on him, so when I realized he wasn't going to get it I laid it out very plainly in a long paragraph explaining my discomfort and how I wasn't having fun and a few other things, and he gave a short apology, and it was *years* before he hit on one of my characters again, and if he got shut down by other party members he tried flirting with he'd back off quickly. He was still a problem character in other ways and the main reason he was at our table for so long is he was young and we thought we could teach him to be better, haven't invited him back once he realized we couldn't help in that.
revenge never really ends very well in real life. because then it normally leads to just more bad feelings on one or both sides.
Not if you kill one end. Just murder em and be happy. In prison. For life.
If I were DM and doing a similar thing... The girl would have not become the BBEG, and I would have had Krayne be working for/aligned with the BBEG (he sounded like he wanted the death of the Elven race) and fudge dice rolls into killing him or putting him into a nightmare realm where he is on the recieving end. Maybe have a succubus that preys on guys like that help Asa kill him... (My trans ace succubus, Bob, could make an appearance!)
Imo this doesn't sound like the perfect revenge, and I really don't think the DM made the right calls here. It involved the narrator investing hours and hours into making their character something they hadn't wanted to, while continuing to be made uncomfortable by Wizard. There's also no lesson in having Krayne be the one who (brutally) kills Asa for rejecting him (being the BBEG was pretty clearly secondary to that), and letting him beat her up prior to that. There was no sense of revenge in either of those things, just more of the narrator's PC suffering because of Krayne to varying degrees.
If anything, this is the perfect example of how NOT to plan a revenge, or handle a creep.
In contrast to this, I remember the time when I came to one of my DMs about another player saying something wildly inappropriate about my PC and she immediately talked to the other player (under no uncertain terms), and the problem was handled right there with no further drama or discomfort. For revenge, this channel has posted so many legitimately satisfying PvP revenge stories, and imo, I really feel like that's how this should have gone if the narrator and the DM wanted to work the revenge angle. Like, the right angle is not to change Asa into a horrible baddy, it's to recognize Krayne for the baddy he already is, and treat him as such in the narrative (and no, it doesn't matter if the problem player is your partner).
I am planning to try and make a character who by acting completely in his own self-interest does a whole lot of good for a lot of people. Befriends an abused goblin of the Boros Legiion (yes we are in Ravinca. Gives him access to powerful items promises him immortality and a lot more so he can have a get out of death free card and an insider agent. Has friends stick into the ranks of the Orzhov Syndicate to free indentured souls just to not down Orzhov but hey the freed souls will be pleased. Just doing all the accidental goodness and kindness being spread by someone that just wants knowledge and power for the sake of having more.
I would not have continued to play with the party if it made me uncomfortable every time. Also the others players should have voiced this as well. Honestly the lack of any one else caring is a huge problem, and the idea to change your character from what is was (IMO pretty disgusting). I would never change my character because of how another player is acting, that is disrespectful to my characters. All of which I lovingly make, the solution to a shitty player is never to ignore him and try to change your fun and playstyle to try to make them go away.
Instead the party should have had a chat with the player after session about his actions. Also again as I always state, in session 0 one of the things dm's and players need to talk about is what is okay and not okay. Since there are players issues about characters dating each other when the players themselves have someone they are dating (playing in the same campaign). There should never be a thing involving the character x character stuff. Also there should be some kind of punishment if the players break the session 0 rules. If there was then that player may not have made that campaign miserable for you.
I kept waiting for the twist and when I came I missed it.
This... went both horribly wrong and horribly stupid. I question the DM's state of mind and the Creep.
Oh for sure Asa would have murdered Krane. I as DM would have had Asa get a wish spell of Point Of Death NO SAVING THROW on Krane. So whenever she saw Krane she could monologue then halfway through monologue point at Krane and he just pops. Like a video game gore explosion. Complete with extra organs and blood. In fact that is revealed as Asas' preferred way of death. Death by extra organs and blood other than skin. Then make re roll a current level character. That guy needs to be humbled.
I killed one of my murderhobo players(good friend but can't be serious for the life of him) after some messed up shenanigans and murder in the town they entered, he barely escaped the guards and ran into the woods with 1 HP where he conveniently ran into the BBEG's goons that were gonna be attacking peasants that night. That was the only player character I've killed, I think that ways a lot better than what happened in this video.
I do not agree with how the DM handled it. It does not sound as a "lesson", considering how in the end the person that was the "victim" of the creepy behavior, ended up losing more than the creep. Sounds to me like subtly reinforcing the edgelord and creepy behavior of the guy, and rewarding him with having the satisfaction of killing the "evil elf". Feels wrong
Ignoring the creepiness of this, the story that this drives is actually really good. The IRL stuff might have been bad, but a former team mate revealed to have been evil and the character drama was actually quite well done.
So the elf named asa in that story, wanted to kill all humans but maybe kill all half-elf as well
to my knowledge attempted murder of a princess is punishable by death. the second he entered elven lands they would have executed him. the rest of the party might have had a trial but if she is the new queen/ruler of the elven lands he would have not lived that long with her LE alignment.
given the things that go wrong when casting Wish, I think 8 pages is due diligence.
That entire campaign seemed to be engineered to create drama and angst, definitely not my cup of tea. Character interactions should be strictly disassociated from real life. If a player, begins to suffer due to consequences affecting their character, I recommend a heart to heart conversation with a rational adult. Being able to separate your own real life personal feelings from whatever your character might be going through in a make believe roleplaying game, should be a mandatory skill required by all players and D.M.s. Failure to exhibit this skill, should perhaps sound a warning bell, that perhaps this sort of activity is not mentally or emotionally safe for that player. Let’s face it some people just cannot handle it.
Creepy behavior by players attempting to fulfill lurid sexual fantasies with an unwilling participant, should not be tolerated by a D.M. Or the rest of the party. It must be nipped in the bud and forbidden to persist. Kicking out the offensive player after 1 warning should alleviate that problem.
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I feel like the Dm tried but failed to get the point across to the wizard
Wizard was a real wierdo but it seems like the rp in this group was very intense
BTW, Ibu means mother in Indonesian/Malaysian, so the dude character is searching for his daughter with his motherly love.
DM and Crane are made for each other
Geez this was real freaking uncomfortable to listen to, like holding onto a sneeze that's punching you in the face. No fault of your own, it was narrated well as usual, but this felt like an absolute win for the creepy player. He got cool roleplay interactions out of it, he murdered the character who rejected him, and the player had to sit through an uncomfortable experience being strung along by the DM. Not sure what the takeaway is. I do hope OP has gotten a better grasp of her boundaries and won't put up with this in future games, and I'm at least glad she got some cool fulfilling bits out of it. I'm always skeptical of any DM that tries to solve problems between players using the actual game itself instead of just straight up talking to or even kicking players if they're making the others uncomfortable....
Not going to lie, if the problem player could have separated IC from OOC and wasn't being a creep in PMs; the In-Character drama and traveling with a BBEG could have made for a good story. But, that option was entirely lost in this case.
This was not getting back at him
So DM felt uncomfortable with what ‘Creep‘ did and didn’t tell the person who made her/him uncomfortable, but instead manipulated OP until OP felt uncomfortable too, so they could both not talk to the ‘Creep‘ who is oblivious at this point and plot revenge on him?
This is indeed a DnD horror story, but the villain isn’t the one they call creep, it’s OP and the DM.
Yeeah as everyone else said, no lesson was learned and it got REALLY petty. Interesting story though.
But dumb move on the player's part staying, shame on the DM not putting their foot down (also don't see how making elven hitler would fix the creep problem at all), and shame on the creep for what he did.
The fact the DM is still together with problem player creep is a red flag the player clearly hasn't heeded, not sure if DM is naive but that relationship sounds like a ticking time bomb of red flags.
Experienced DM here.. It bothers me that the female character was a requirement. You don't do that unless you have motivation to act on something related to that. Which never happens here. I am seriously wondering if the DM and that player were working together.
Also 3 people is plenty for a party. You DO NOT use a DMPC ever. Especially 2 or 3 where it makes up half the party, that is just toxic by itself.
If you ever find out there is a DMPC (especially multiple) RUN. IDK if they are IRL friends....just...go
P.S. I will never purposefully kill a PC under normal circumstances....but if I was the DM here and this stuff got creepy and didn't stop after warnings....I would have plotted with Asta to eventually have her kill that PC....or at least have her leave him to die in a trap or something. Then if that continued with next PC they would have been out of the game. Even if they were my partner. Although I don't know who would ever want a partner like that....
The were for sure. I bet this was some kind of fetish or kink.
Wait..the half elf had dragon born features still..?
"the kind of guy that writes an 8 page document about wish" Wait... Wizard was the guy who usurped the DM in the other video by making himself a god with wish?
The biggest creep, was the DM.
So where was the revenge in this story?? Did I miss something? The creep never had to pay for any of his player's crimes (only just a 'woe is me' moment), let alone *actually learn anything* as teh player. That was so lame. Crane wrecked the game's fun for everyone else, and practically 'won' the game he was playing.
If this was revenge, it FAILED.
I subscribed when I saw the Astoshan story, which was amazing, as well as a lot of the other stories around that time (The ogre crafty smith story, Selena the superficial, the friendly black dragon one), but recently too many failed stories like this make me question staying.
ah, you see this story is mis-leading. It truly is a bully story of what happens to players caught in the middle of two S.O. players and thier manipulative and abusive actions. the TLDR here is if you don't have a session 0 and you don't bring up issues after session with everyone at the table, then this is the inevitable outcome. So before that last part happens leave the group if the creep wont.
BBEG asa shouldve tried to take krayne with her. Or at least permanently disfigure his face.
This isn't how this should ever been handled
I thought it was the bard that was meant to try and seduce everyone and everything
Inter party drama and turmoil has rarely ever turned out well for me as a D.M. Especially if it’s actually the players that have a problem with each other. Adult RP scenarios with people that can actually separate their real life from their character’s situations make for the best role players in my humble opinion. Player’s need to imagine themselves as “actors” in a play or movie, this should help them detach their personal feelings from their character. Too many role players seem to have a hard time with this, it’s sad. If you are a deeply troubled person there exists a high probability your character’s will be deeply troubled, this can allow for unexpected triggered events to occur where your “Character’s” feelings get hurt and you as a player will begin to form resentments towards the offending player, just because of something their character did. Let’s all analyze our ability to keep characters and players separate in our minds. Try not to be a creep, treat the D.M. and the other players with respect, or at least politely and enjoy the role play for what it is. Taking a shower and bringing snacks or drinks to a game is usually well received as well. Try not to be tardy. Pay attention to the story as it unfolds, especially when it’s not your turn. These few helpful hints will go a long way in any group RPG.
I'm kind of curious how Asa was the villain, since the humans were trying to genocide her people first...
Also I am in agreement with just about everyone commenting. There was no revenge, let alone a perfect revenge. Having Asa be futa and turning the tables on Crane after paralyzing him would have been a better revenge.