Watch Jeep Beat The SNOT Out Of A New Gladiator To Test For Durability!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2019
- (www.TFLoffroad.com) In this episode we examine how FCA, Jeep, Dodge, and RAM develop and test their new cars and trucks. We check out a suspension test device, a brake noise tester, a seat development room and a 10 million dollar simulator.
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Great review of the test facility. Thanks for sharing Tommy.
Richard West why have a 15million dollar simulation just use beamng drive
“Scotty Kilmer has entered the chat”
Jake Wheelie i work at a ford dealership and i can say that fords do the same (well some of them but usually 30K+) my 2006 mazda 3 has an axel boot torn and that’s it 130K miles on it currently while i see SO MANY timing chain cover leaks and rear main seal leaks! at 30K! honestly the escapes (pretty much all years) are just crap but everyone has one
Scotty Kilmer what an idiot, according to him it bad to use the 12 volt outlet, idk how people still watch that idiot
They've had this tunnel for 25 years and yet they can't put a descent headlight in the Wrangler.
They used all the money on the tunnel. no money left for testing.
Or the ram 2500?
So true lol!
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life John 3:16
The new lights are spot on. Never had a problem in my Rubicon. Not sure about the halogen one though
If this is what FIAT jeep does for testing, then toyota must throw their trucks into f5 tornados for testing
Haha true i judt bought a 2019 tacoma trd. A used one with 30k miles is 30k i paid 33k
@@Jv19979 🙌
No Toyota let's another car companies do the testing while their vehicles run on 3 decades old technology. For God's sake they still using drums... That's great if you want your car to run.... If you want any kind of innovation be prepared to spend some time at dealership. My 32 year old 300 sdl got more technology than any new Toyota vehicle short of entertainment system.
@guy proulx He's alluding to the idea that all other companies put new technology in their cars, and later on, when it becomes reliable, then Toyota uses it. Basically, letting all the other manufacturers beta test the new gimmicks.
@guy proulx You're separating technology from the question of durability..can't be done. Durability of a modern car is directly related to the technology of the parts, materials, and systems used to build it. The most durable, reliable vehicles are generally the ones with older proven technology. Toyota isn't leading the pack on anything cutting-edge...but they are generally known for producing the most durable and reliable vehicles out there. It's a good thing! Let the other manufacturers work the bugs out of the newest stuff...
You can't simulate 10 years worth in 4 to 6 weeks months as materials break in 10 years differently, oil, seals, rubber, plastics decay... Cannot be replicated....so soon, it will still be new in 6 months but still good to know they do that.
Well only the government can afford to design a vehicle and test it for 10 years before actually using it. 🙃
FCA has that covered. They only source materials that will break down in 6 months.
Where's needs to be guy standing there spraying road salt all over it also
That's what I was wondering. Different environments and corrosion causes the vehicle to drastically wear differently than a simulated durability test.
Plus, on that simulator the wheels aren't turning, so anything related to the axles and the rest of the drivetrain aren't tested.
Y’all saying testing the suspension for a 10 year time or something. But how about the 10 years of rust from being in northern states and Canada
Sand blast the frame.... Spray LPS 3 on the frame... drive the dam frame. lol no but seriously. LPS 3/ or fluid film wayyy better than POR 15 or Rust MD trust me on that.
@@gittyupalice96 if you're diligent and reapply it all the time it's definitely better. if you get lazy it can get real crusty underneath tho. sometimes the factory rust proofing is ok though, my 22 year old toyota still has strong steel underneath where i've removed the paint to check.
they tested for 10 years worth of simulated driving yet we can't get 6 years out of a pickup truck on the washboard roads in eastern Colorado I call BS
@@brandonsabin1471 haha, exactly. Thats what I thought when I watched their gentle 'tests' above. whats the failure point on these pickups out of curiosity? To be fair washboard is really rough on everything.
@@0xsergy broken frames and axles we have five F-150s one of which is only two years old that have broken axle tubes and we have six Toyota's that have various frame damage everywhere also lots of electrical gremlins due to damaged ground wires (terminals cant handle vibration and snap off)
Why is FCA getting sued for broken Wrangler frames, you think they would have broken a few doing this. Makes you wonder if that machine actually does a good enough job.
I think the Gladiator in the rig has welds done by the FCA preproduction crew, but the affected production Gladiators have their chassis welds done by an outside contractor, so FCA can blame them for the shoddy welds.
I wonder if it can simulate a 5 foot vertical drop?
I just read the story. Some of the earlier Jeeps had Frame-side Track Bar Mounts breaking. It's an issue BleepinJeep actually covered in a video over 6 years ago. Track Bar Mounts have to strong and solid; otherwise, they can break or cause Death-Wobble.
I somewhat don’t believe that they’re checking NVH be my neighbor has a 2016 Chrysler 200S with the 2.4 and that car shakes inside it’s horrible even the steering wheel shakes this is the worst 4 cylinder NVH I know that 4 cylinders aren’t bad because I have a turbocharged 4 cylinder and I can’t feel a thing inside compared to the 2.4 MultiAir if your planning to purchase a 200 get one with the V6
@@La-yt1wr those were notorious for breaking engine mounts, I would have that checked.
2 inches of space in the lighting on the left side
“KeEpS tHe GlArE oUt Of A 6 fOoT tAlL cAr”
That’s sweet... but having owned a Jeep the frame, wheels and suspension isn’t the issue. It’s the other mechanics, engine, transmission, alternator, water pump, hell the entire electrical system. What good is a we’ll tested frame if the engine or transmission fails? And there’s a reason why I say that, I’ve been stranded in my Jeep a dozen freaking times!
Erin Thor Yup :/ Jeeps are cool! But it’s those transmissions! Did you notice with the gladiator they didn’t even have the “wheels” spinning or the engine even on? So they aren’t testing the transmission or engine durability.
Silver Qilin - LOL! I understand the reason for testing the suspension. There are many things Jeep does well. What I find myself trying to focus on is any indication on WHY. I would bet that the reason for the testing is to ensure its ability to last past the warranty period AND THEN FAIL AFTERWARDS. Down line post-warranty revenue matters! (To them)
Best way to get around transmission issues is to get the manual!
Caleb M. Do they currently sell a manual?
It's a Jeep thing!!😂
Does that simulation have the inside of the dealer service bay? Because any vehicle you buy from them will be guaranteed to have to get fixed under warranty many times.
FCA. Lets test the gladiator after it's been in production for 5 months.
They're still trying to work all the bugs out. It'll be ready to go in 2022.
OMG you people are ignorant. You do know that jeep has been around since WWII right?
Every maker has recalls, breakdowns, every vehicle. That's fact.
I've owned 8 jeeps, not one problem, just routine maintenance, perfect vehicles
It's a hobby, build a rock crawler and sell, we're good. Stick to the Hyundai and that kick ass 10 year warranty.
As a deputy sheriff we use driving simulation and yes, many times vertigo became an issue and we had to shut down.
Take it to a Toyota testing track and it won’t make it to lunch
Anfrax It probably wouldn’t even make it to their Testing Track anyway.
I know you are right, And I just got owned but:
You’ll never know cos your Jeep won’t make it there anyway
I know you are right, And I just got owned but:
That’s why here in Aus you don’t see wranglers in the Outback.
So how the hell did they get through the quality control with bad frame welds and bad drive shafts?? Each one should go through this before sale. Haha.
Where's the machine that applys salt, mud and UV rays to that Jeep on the "durability" tester? Those impact reliability as much as driving does.
Where is the area where they test the reliability of the E-Torque system in the Wrangler?
in Italy lol.. thats why it failed xD
Alright I know my Magnum was never run on the torture machine the way the front end klunks 😂
It flunks because your broke ass doesnt maintain the suspension components or even know how to replace them. That's like blaming apple for ignorant users installing 2500 viruses on their computers. It's the user not the nanufacturer
@@kepler656 to be fair a new car shouldn't have that issue. my 20 year old toyota had the factory front end on it when i replaced it all last summer. oem tierods, balljoints, control arms, etc and no play. i only replaced it all cause i was doing the bushings. 200k km on the car when i tore down the suspension. but yeah you're right, people fix yo shit.
These new headlights are blinding people from on coming traffic.
Thanks for the excellent peek into the R&D work FCA puts into their models. Very impressive. Great content as always.
From what I learned from watching manufactures that test everything in house under controlled environment never translate into the rear world. Also I think the sim is just a game.
I'v done sim for aircraft and it never feels the same. You talk to pilots and they will tell you there is landing a plane and then there landing a sim. lol Sims do have there place though.
You talk to pilots and they will tell you there is landing a plane and then there landing a sim...and then there is landing FSX Steam Edition... th-cam.com/video/SgDRUQGcZmA/w-d-xo.html
You build one to simulate the driving based on real world testing. You cannot do real world testing based on simulations. All the suspension travel, steering response, all of that cannot be 'made to happen' in real life. It simulates the driving experience, not the physics of the vehicle.
So FCA products work great... in a controled and virtual environment
Got it 👌
Marco Femto don’t forget. Only 4-6 weeks too. Then the FCA is ready to be released to its new home..... the body shop
@@causeoflava exactly what I was about to say four to six weeks designed to simulate 10 years of hard use. There is no accurate way to stimulate that other than to actually do what you're saying for the amount of time you're saying everything other than that is just an assumption of a simulation
Congrats on being my fave reviewer/tester at TFL. Glad to see you continuing your education and bringing what pertains to the masses. Keep up the great innovative work!
I was at the Ferrari Assembly Plant in Maranello, Italy.... It gave me a complete different outlook on Car Assembly Plants, absolutely stunning in every aspect ! You can eat off the floor in this factory, food was spectacular, amazing technology that puts US Car Plants to shame !! Something everyone should see, it truly is a work of art in motion !!
They tested the Toyota 79 series on that same machine they are testing the gladiator on and the machine wore out....
Do you got a link to that
Jacob Jordan it’s a joke. It’s making a statement about Toyota’s reliability.
@@josephsamsor1698 I thought you might have a bit (secret info on thare reliability process)
Jk I knew that. nobody could get cause it's a closely guarded secret
Every company does this. Just most of them actually torture there vehicles when they do. Jeep just shakes it and calls it a day
If they tested this so far they should test their transmission lifespan
You mean the zf8 life span which is one of the best around? Nah, Chrysler had major issues with their own tran. years ago only on minivans
@@tallll70 ummm no and no. The 68rfe in their 3/4 and one ton are notoriously weak.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 I admire your confidence, but in my area i hear people saying nothing but good things about 68rfe, i had 5 speed in Ram for 11 years, had to replace solenoid pack about 2 months before tree fell on it, while my friend had to do same on 5 year old Tundra. Now im in 6 year old ram and it shifts like dream. I asked questions for fluid replacement in one tran. Shop and at the end i was told they don't get trucks with transmission problems, they don't get much any trucks really. So that's my reality, and hopefully it will not change
The dip is less blinding, until they hit a bump, then you get full sunlight
Excellent! Wonderful review of a most interesting test facility!
Wow.. What a great experience for you and thanks to you and Chrysler for sharing.
The only thing that can simulate 10 years of driving is 10 years of driving
Durability and Jeep does not go together in the same sentence.
reliability*** they're durable in the sense that they can take a beating but they all break down sooner than others LOL
I lov how people can comment about something they know nothing about.
I really don't understand why would say that.
Nice job Tommy! Interesting content. Thanks.
They need to do all this research on the engines they build they prob would last longer
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Great review!
Very interesting video Tommy.
After looking over all the midsize trucks thoroughly I have no doubt the Gladiator will hold up to hard work or abuse longer than the others. It's built like a tank, which is how FCA builds most of their vehicles, which is why their curb weights are always higher. It's a trade-off.
I know a very mechanical inclined guy that's worked at the Toledo plant for 30 plus years and he will not buy one even with employee discounts.
What's he drive? A 1999 Corolla?
@@RyanRKJ chevy
Great video Tommy! Keep up the good work.. Good info I think it can be a very useful tool in pre development of certain parts and could probably drastically cut down mistakes and time wasted on r&d ...I want to drive the simulator, it looks awesome.
l'd love time on that machine for sure.Great video Tommy!!
Ik this was basically a dodge commercial, but great content.
Great video thank you!
I used to work for Chrysler/FCA. TRUST ME, they do A LOT more testing than this using real world testing. I’ve been to the Chelsea, MI Proving Grounds and it’s incredible. They run them in real life for 150k or more over test loops that simulate all kinds of stuff like gravel roads, hills, interstate etc.
Great video.
But they still can’t fix the death wobble lol
Ford and GM actually test their products up North in Canada for extreme weather testing. What FCA has is the basics in the automotive sector. Check out how VAG tests Audi’s soft tops.
Did they test the JT over speed bumps to make sure it wouldn’t get high centered?
Now that simulator is what you would call THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR
$10m sim rig.... Now we talking 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏼
This type of quality testing isn't the one that improves reliability. That can only come from real scenarios, paying attention to customers' issues and fixing them for years and years.
Cool video, even if I'm more than a year late!
I found the headlight tunnel interesting. Ever since I had a first gen Chrysler 200, I marveled at how excellent the lighting was despite being two single HIR bulbs in bifunction projectors. I regularly drive cars with HIDs and even LEDs, quad-beam setups etc, and the old HIR bulbs on the 200 are, remarkably, right up there in performance. While technically not as bright as HID/LED, the effective distance of illumination is very impressive, and the beam pattern perfectly shaped--all the lumens go exactly where they're most useful. The low-beams were seemingly purposely kept somewhat dim with more output allocated for the brights so your eyes aren't adjusting to a bright foreground (think of trying to look at the moon with a 60w lightbulb a foot in front of your face). Their use of that tunnel definitely pays off.. Very smart! The glare notch was new to me.. I always just assumed it was an optical effect or a tiny imperfection in the lens geometry. As usual, there's more that goes into design and engineering than most people would think. Fascinating facility!
3:40 reminds me of Johnny Five for some reason lol.
Really cool to see this tech testing. Tommy do any aftermarket Jeep suspension companies have these types of facilities?
Garth Hayward I was thinking exactly the same thing
Good question
4 - 6 weeks >< years of testing
Super cool video
My husband and I are a Toyota loving couple.. I'm still looking for s new SUV and have been putting some consideration into a Jeep Wrangler.. We have owned every major off road worthy Toyota model.. I need a change!.. I definitely want to try a Wrangler, and seeing this made me respect the brand more.. Great video, Tommy!.. Jeep should be paying you lol
Welcome to Canada :)
Lunamaria don’t expect the same reliability though. Also watch out for all the recalls going on for them right now.
Don't.
No vehicle is as reliable as a Toyota.. However, Wranglers last a long time.
Lunamaria the old ones definitely did but don’t expect that out of the new ones. If it’s a vehicle you don’t plan on putting a ton of miles on, a jeep is a jeep and there’s no substitute. I can understand why you’d want it. But, I’d personally go with a manual if possible because Chrysler is known for their horrible transmissions.
Lunamaria new wranglers have a host of issues, from electrical to transmissions. Heck TFL posted a video of their rubicon’s battery system needing to replaced while they were filming. The Toyotas will take you anywhere, just get a new 4runner or import a new 70 series landcrusier from Australia- it’ll still be cheaper than the wrangler even then.
All this means nothing especially when they have recalls for failing welds
What a cool place, and I really want a go in that simulater
Missed opportunity to say buns of steel
I need to work in this field!!
Seems like every year there are more cars on the road with blindingly bright headlights. Here I am with my 97.. I’m just gonna start driving with my brights on.
I'd take one for my driving and flying games for sure. And have different bodies to represent different cars, trucks, planes, or bikes that can be swapped out to add to the experience.
Id be trying to drift in the simulator.
It's interesting because there is a video game call the rigs of rods that is a Sandbox version of this. The only difference is the control systems. Funny enough FCA actually uses a version of that sandbox system for this simulator. It's all open source and it's very in depth.
2:04 thats trippy
Wow,..this was great! Who, watching this, wouldn't like to have a turn in that simulator, I wonder?
I noticed that headlighting dip while night-driving my JL. Never realized that was by design.
Apparently a torture test for a Jeep is to just operate it normally on the road....
Sounds like they know their buyers. Speed-bumps at the mall are the modern Jeep buyer's forte.
I'm pretty sure the "glare notch" has been there for a while but they still make blinding headlights
Test conditions VS real world, LOL. We will see how durable in the real world they are.
They have a facility for testing and developing seats?
I thought the seats on the fiat 500 were designed after a wooden park-bench.
All went downhill after the TJ. Owned two TJ’s, then bought a new JK in ‘16......sold it and replaced it with a low mileage ‘04 TJ.
That machine cannot properly test 10yrs of wear and tear. Ignoring weather,heat,cold salt etc. The materials in the Jeep are all brand new and don't have 10yrs of time of deteriorating those materials. I think it's a good test for general testing or short/mid term but for long term I don't think would be truly be anything worthwhile.
I would like to know if they activate the stuff the jeep have while going on rough roads doing the test
Where do they test the door hinges for rust?
1:20 you can see the little glare notch.... Doesn't point out the massive chunk of glare above and to the right of the "glare notch"
Amazing!
What about weather conditions and the added wear and tear that entails?! Cool machine though
do they put any weight in the gladiator when doing the wear and tear simulation?
world's best gaming setup EVER!!!
But does the heated seats work on the simulator
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Cool video, all this tech but they can’t simulate a 6’2” person in the front seat of their gladiator or wrangler and move that roll bar back a little? I was looking into the wrangler and my head hit that roll bar before it hit the headrest.
Nice to see Chrysler has an amazing facility that they don't use.
how does that work? most roads are cracked with potholes and sometimes sudden uneven roads, while driving highway speeds, its unpredictably unpleasant. so how does a track with perfect pavement do any stress tests?
how many of those plastic doors have rattles in them now after that test?
I think this simulation technology should be applied to the training of heavy truck drivers (tractor/trailer). This would be an awesome way to teach new drivers real world problems without actual deaths.
I would say both on the whole simulator because one you can feel and see how it reacts to your driving style and see from everyone's driving style and you can't really damage the vehicle because it is a simulator which would make it the best gaming rig and engineers can see how their work effects every single vehicles and outcome
that sim look fun as hell where can i buy one ?
That Jeep Gladiator😍😍
They must not have used my jk on the lighting tunnel when it was built 😂
They're legally obligated to do this. What they're not obligated to do is test the electronics for longevity, so your jeep won't crack on a hill but there's nothing to stop the computer shitting and leaving you stranded in top of a hill
And now we know why new trucks cost as much as a house.......
How in the hell did FCA bless off on the KL Cherokee headlights on the 2015 and up? My 2015 Trailhawk had horrible headlights.
That test to determine durability doesn’t put in the effect of parts deteriorating due to rust or actual terrain beating the crap out of it. That’s what really determines durability.
I've heard of disposable income but that's taking it to the next level.
Average of 500 hours in a car seat seams way to short considering if they are talking about normal people going to their job during the week and either shopping on the weekend, i would of expected somewhere around 700 or maybe a little lower like 650
Now I know why a vehicle costs so much. Too bad they aren't more reliable...
Wrong, I could totally feel the 0°C you were in.
That’s not beating the snot out of it ?
Looks like a typical drive on any road in Maine....
this is some pussy shit
cool video
Did they test their new grease less driveshaft.