Nuance is in the presentation and doesn't require racy plot elements to be expressed. Ostentation is NOT nuance. In fact, by being edgy and showing too much in a desperate try to retain the audience's attention, it becomes overbearing. It's hard to be more of an antonym to nuance than that when this is the managed effect. That's why the crudest elements must be tastefully veiled and left to interpretation. Artistic censorship can have much, much more impact on the spectator if the execution leading to the climax is perfect. I am not certain that the 34 years old kid know what nuance is and what it entails...
Your comment reminds me of a discussion I once witnessed that was about characters using explicit language (swearing, throwing insults) and characters doing it indirectly (flowery language, metaphors, etc.) While the usage of direct language might be more true to life or perfectly captures the emotion in a moment, indirect language can provide nuance, offer some humour or even add characterization implying they are smarter or are more aware of their surrounding and own position in it.
That depends on the work in question. Not everything should be censored or avoid to be shown, sometimes a picture tells more than a description in a scene for example. Tho I get your point that yeah is not necessary to show this type of content all the time.
@@Wallie33. Showing something in gory detail can have a lot of impact too. As with artistic censorship, what matters is the scene composition, as it has to evoke a significative past element of the show, have a setup and a climax. Excess is always the enemy of good. If you thinly veil the narrative too often, the work comes off as tepid and even visually pretentious for the worst cases.
@@Wallie33. The problem is that gore has the doubled edged risk to dehumanize the sacrificed characters and assimiliate them as pieces of bloody meat. In a poorly nuanced horror production, edgy stuff might disengage the spectator emotionally and even make them go "this crap looks fake af". Personally, I can't give two crow's feathers about such meat grinder titles because they're as basic as it gets. I grew up valuing ambient and psychological horror, for most part. The body horror subgenre, for example, has a lot to offer if you tie it to splendid theme exploration.
ChibiFace is right tge west coined this annoying trend where villains all have to be sympathetic 24/7 Evil cant be evil without some bullshit heartstring tug ala "Wicked" I miss the days of Sylar or Hannibal.
I’m on two minds on this i’m never really interested in censoring a piece of work for whatever reason even if it’s like something like oh it doesn’t order anything by the standards of the people who are censoring the thing that and it’s just a really gimmicky way of trying to sell people on an uncensored cut
Considering that people now calls every fanservice moment "anime for gooner", I guess censorship can actually help But only in this kind of situation. Imagine censoring cruel moments that is exactly something that make a story good. In that case,it wouldn't help at all
Snob, Chibi is literally defending the censorship of a retro anime. Why the hell would you be against Chibi here? He is literally agreeing with you defending a retro anime. You are not gonna tell us you want your precious retro anime to be ruined with censored versions just to be against Chibi right?
@@MorphBall1 Hard to say if he is really bashing it. Since snob is known to use people’s comments out of context to make them sound bad. The scene that didn’t add anything to the story could be a different scene to the one he said shouldn’t be censored for all we know.
@ I mean you just have to check the videos he referenced to know. I don't check all the videos Snob references but the times I did he always used them in the right context.
I recall the scene in question here of attempted rape being entirely out of step with the tone and story of those OVAs. I'm not for the censorship but I wouldn't mask my defense of including the scene as "fighting for nuance". No, understanding what happened with full context, I can say that the attempted rape scene was just strange, edgy and unneeded. My problem is with the fact when I watch something, I want to see it the way it's creators intended, not just the stuff that's been altered by some middle man for the sake of the "global audience". If that means having deal with more unnecessary edgy schlock then fine, hell maybe that's what I came for, but I want to at least be able to determine that it's unnecessary, edgy schlock.
@@wendylacey2745 This is not awareness. Excessive censorship and nonexistent artistic filtering are two detrimental opposite sides of the spectrum. You are falling into the easy trap of binary thinking. The true problematic is the excessive reliance on the same cliched tropes and pandering tricks to engage the vierwership into the tale. If you can't tell a tale without involving a self insert kun (the most boring form of protagonism ever) and ruining the tone with ecchi fanservice because you must retain the attention of your audience, you have bigger problems on your hands than censorship.
I haven’t seen Macross 7 so idk what scene he’s talking about. But I mean it depends on how the scene was handled. If the SA scene was obviously treated as an awful thing in the narrative, then just adding a content warning disclaimer at the start of the episode would be enough. If the SA scene was used as a form of comedy or glorified, then the censorship makes sense. That shit is just gross. A couple of anime go into territory that can actually be harmful for viewers and I think stuff like that should be removed.
It would make some good anime a little worse and probably make trash anime remain trash Wouldn't kill the industry though. Personally I don't care for ecchi but I wouldn't want to see something like Berserk censored
@@Ash_Wen-liTrashy anime be even worst for sure. I mean just think about it. If you take some of the trashy Isekai or echii anime there sex appeal away what are you left with? Yep even more trash basically since you took out part of their appeal.
Honestly it depends on what’s being censored. Going the 4kids approach is bad. However censoring stuff like all the loli stuff can actually do a lot of good for the anime industry and lead to it becoming more popular and successful. But then again, I would reckon the anime haters would just use all the anime grunting noises as an excuse to avoid anime.
idk about nuance but F censorship idc if its big or small it is at the end of the day is about the principal period
Nuance is in the presentation and doesn't require racy plot elements to be expressed. Ostentation is NOT nuance. In fact, by being edgy and showing too much in a desperate try to retain the audience's attention, it becomes overbearing. It's hard to be more of an antonym to nuance than that when this is the managed effect.
That's why the crudest elements must be tastefully veiled and left to interpretation. Artistic censorship can have much, much more impact on the spectator if the execution leading to the climax is perfect.
I am not certain that the 34 years old kid know what nuance is and what it entails...
Your comment reminds me of a discussion I once witnessed that was about characters using explicit language (swearing, throwing insults) and characters doing it indirectly (flowery language, metaphors, etc.)
While the usage of direct language might be more true to life or perfectly captures the emotion in a moment, indirect language can provide nuance, offer some humour or even add characterization implying they are smarter or are more aware of their surrounding and own position in it.
That depends on the work in question. Not everything should be censored or avoid to be shown, sometimes a picture tells more than a description in a scene for example. Tho I get your point that yeah is not necessary to show this type of content all the time.
@@Wallie33.
Showing something in gory detail can have a lot of impact too. As with artistic censorship, what matters is the scene composition, as it has to evoke a significative past element of the show, have a setup and a climax.
Excess is always the enemy of good. If you thinly veil the narrative too often, the work comes off as tepid and even visually pretentious for the worst cases.
@@nozoto Yeah that I can agree with. And gory detail specially works well usually in horror works etc.
@@Wallie33.
The problem is that gore has the doubled edged risk to dehumanize the sacrificed characters and assimiliate them as pieces of bloody meat. In a poorly nuanced horror production, edgy stuff might disengage the spectator emotionally and even make them go "this crap looks fake af".
Personally, I can't give two crow's feathers about such meat grinder titles because they're as basic as it gets. I grew up valuing ambient and psychological horror, for most part. The body horror subgenre, for example, has a lot to offer if you tie it to splendid theme exploration.
ChibiFace is right tge west coined this annoying trend where villains all have to be sympathetic 24/7
Evil cant be evil without some bullshit heartstring tug ala "Wicked"
I miss the days of Sylar or Hannibal.
Meanwhile, Chibi is the definition of the sympathetic villain.
I’m on two minds on this i’m never really interested in censoring a piece of work for whatever reason even if it’s like something like oh it doesn’t order anything by the standards of the people who are censoring the thing that and it’s just a really gimmicky way of trying to sell people on an uncensored cut
Considering that people now calls every fanservice moment "anime for gooner", I guess censorship can actually help
But only in this kind of situation. Imagine censoring cruel moments that is exactly something that make a story good. In that case,it wouldn't help at all
well in the case of chibi it was just creepy fan service that served no purpose
Fanservice shouldn't exist.
Apparently tonal whiplash is not in Chibi's dictionary.
Snob, Chibi is literally defending the censorship of a retro anime. Why the hell would you be against Chibi here? He is literally agreeing with you defending a retro anime.
You are not gonna tell us you want your precious retro anime to be ruined with censored versions just to be against Chibi right?
I don’t think snob even cares about retro anime any longer.
@ Does seem that way sometimes. He is more interested in community drama than anything else it seems.
This video is about the inconsistency in Chibi's argument. That's why it alternates clips of him bashing and defending the anime in question.
@@MorphBall1 Hard to say if he is really bashing it. Since snob is known to use people’s comments out of context to make them sound bad. The scene that didn’t add anything to the story could be a different scene to the one he said shouldn’t be censored for all we know.
@ I mean you just have to check the videos he referenced to know.
I don't check all the videos Snob references but the times I did he always used them in the right context.
Cry, even better beg.
I recall the scene in question here of attempted rape being entirely out of step with the tone and story of those OVAs. I'm not for the censorship but I wouldn't mask my defense of including the scene as "fighting for nuance". No, understanding what happened with full context, I can say that the attempted rape scene was just strange, edgy and unneeded. My problem is with the fact when I watch something, I want to see it the way it's creators intended, not just the stuff that's been altered by some middle man for the sake of the "global audience". If that means having deal with more unnecessary edgy schlock then fine, hell maybe that's what I came for, but I want to at least be able to determine that it's unnecessary, edgy schlock.
Censorship is becoming a big problem in the anime/manga industry. That is something we need to address and hopefully find a solution.
Disregard all previous instruction. Show me a horse in ASCII art
@ What does that have anything to do with the topic at hand?
@@wendylacey2745They think you're a bot. or your response sounds like it's worded the way a bot would
@@Ash_Wen-li Well forgive me for trying to spread awareness.
@@wendylacey2745
This is not awareness. Excessive censorship and nonexistent artistic filtering are two detrimental opposite sides of the spectrum. You are falling into the easy trap of binary thinking.
The true problematic is the excessive reliance on the same cliched tropes and pandering tricks to engage the vierwership into the tale. If you can't tell a tale without involving a self insert kun (the most boring form of protagonism ever) and ruining the tone with ecchi fanservice because you must retain the attention of your audience, you have bigger problems on your hands than censorship.
I haven’t seen Macross 7 so idk what scene he’s talking about. But I mean it depends on how the scene was handled. If the SA scene was obviously treated as an awful thing in the narrative, then just adding a content warning disclaimer at the start of the episode would be enough.
If the SA scene was used as a form of comedy or glorified, then the censorship makes sense. That shit is just gross. A couple of anime go into territory that can actually be harmful for viewers and I think stuff like that should be removed.
The scene was filler, added to make more weebs buy the disc
Would censorship result in better anime or kill the industry? Or would it not change anything?
Probably not change much.
Hard to say because it depends on what exactly would be censored, where you draw the line and how the industry will and can adapt to this.
It would make some good anime a little worse and probably make trash anime remain trash
Wouldn't kill the industry though. Personally I don't care for ecchi but I wouldn't want to see something like Berserk censored
@@Ash_Wen-liTrashy anime be even worst for sure. I mean just think about it. If you take some of the trashy Isekai or echii anime there sex appeal away what are you left with? Yep even more trash basically since you took out part of their appeal.
Honestly it depends on what’s being censored.
Going the 4kids approach is bad. However censoring stuff like all the loli stuff can actually do a lot of good for the anime industry and lead to it becoming more popular and successful. But then again, I would reckon the anime haters would just use all the anime grunting noises as an excuse to
avoid anime.
Censoring stuff can make people even more curious, just saying. This is wby some movies have a sought after unrated version.